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Title: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: mystery-ak on February 22, 2017, 02:35:00 pm
The Trump-Reagan parallels

Both were mocked and ridiculed, but relentless assault has unexpected consequences

 By Tammy Bruce - - Wednesday, February 22, 2017

ANALYSIS/OPINION:

The media laugh at any attempt to compare President Trump with former President Ronald Reagan, but there are many similarities, not the least of which are the withering attacks both men endured while running for and as president.

The extraordinary assaults by media, celebrities and jealous politicians against Mr. Trump have been unending. Their attacks include questioning his mental health, comparing him to Hitler (over and over and over again), declaring him a fascist, insisting he’s a modern-day Manchurian candidate, that he’s a traitor (because Russians!), and on and on.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/22/donald-trump-parallels-with-ronald-reagan-should-b/
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 22, 2017, 03:10:55 pm
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Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: anubias on February 22, 2017, 03:12:05 pm
There are so many poo-flinging monkeys in this country that it is worrisome as it stirs up those even nuttier.  There was much discussion about Reagan being assassinated back in the day due to his inauguration being on a year that ended with a "0".  Those were dog whistles that Hinckley jumped upon expecting his act to be impressive to Jodie Foster.  Now we have the same sort of innuendo about Trump on a near daily basis as if his presidency is not expected to last the full four years.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 22, 2017, 03:19:45 pm
There are so many poo-flinging monkeys in this country that it is worrisome as it stirs up those even nuttier.  There was much discussion about Reagan being assassinated back in the day due to his inauguration being on a year that ended with a "0".  Those were dog whistles that Hinckley jumped upon expecting his act to be impressive to Jodie Foster.  Now we have the same sort of innuendo about Trump on a near daily basis as if his presidency is not expected to last the full four years.
If you recall the Lincoln cents with the Kennedy image stamped on them and the 'amazing facts' sheet http://www.coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coins?main_coin=3680 (http://www.coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coins?main_coin=3680), I suspect the Ronald Reagan Presidential Dollars will be popping up soon with another face on them...
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 22, 2017, 03:35:07 pm
Ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 04:31:57 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/08/13/41/081341b1f4ad8ed67731adfd80679238.jpg)

Of course, this bit of twaddle leaves off the fact that Reagan was a very successful two-term governor of a large state, who had long had a well-established reputation for understanding and explaining conservative ideas, both in economic and foreign policy realms; and had been a Republican for decades before running for president.  His background, experience, and political acumen were well understood, even if his ideas were antithetical to the sensibilities of the Rockefeller wing of the party.  Besides all that, he was a man of class and optimism.

Trump, on the other hand, is a demagogue with no political background, a very recent Republican history, and no record of conservatism -- much less an understanding of the underlying philosophy.

Other than that, though, yeah -- they're exactly alike.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 22, 2017, 04:32:32 pm
Plug Reagan was widely liked. Trump is widely disliked.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 04:34:46 pm
Plus Reagan was widely liked. Trump is widely disliked.

Reagan was liked, because he was likeable.  He had a common touch that came from his common roots.  He respected people outside the "elites."

Trump....? 
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: thackney on February 22, 2017, 04:38:10 pm
Of course, this bit of twaddle leaves off the fact that Reagan was a very successful two-term governor of a large state, who had long had a well-established reputation for understanding and explaining conservative ideas, both in economic and foreign policy realms; and had been a Republican for decades before running for president.  His background, experience, and political acumen were well understood, even if his ideas were antithetical to the sensibilities of the Rockefeller wing of the party.  Besides all that, he was a man of class and optimism.

Trump, on the other hand, is a demagogue with no political background, a very recent Republican history, and no record of conservatism -- much less an understanding of the underlying philosophy.

Other than that, though, yeah -- they're exactly alike.

While it doesn't change your point, and I agree with it, in the interest of facts, it was ~6 years after leaving the democrat party that President Reagan first began a run for US President.  It wasn't much of a run in 1968, but he did announce his candidacy.

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1894529_1894528_1894518,00.html

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 04:38:49 pm
And to press the point a bit more, imagine Trump trying to write and give a commencement address such as Reagan gave at Eureka College, in 1957:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/reagan-eureka/ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/reagan-eureka/)

Quote
Looming large in your inheritance is this country, this land America, placed as it is between two great oceans. Those who discovered and pioneered it had to have rare qualities of courage and imagination nor did these qualities stop there. Even the modern-day immigrants have been possessed of courage beyond that of their neighbors. The courage to tear up centuries-old roots and leave their homelands, to come to this land where even the language was strange. Such courage is part of our inheritance, all of us spring from these special people and these qualities have contributed to the make-up of the American personality.

Read it all ... and wonder why there are so few such people in our current political universe.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 04:41:20 pm
While it doesn't change your point, and I agree with it, in the interest of facts, it was ~6 years after leaving the democrat party that President Reagan first began a run for US President.  It wasn't much of a run in 1968, but he did announce his candidacy.

But by that time he'd already been elected governor of California, as a Republican.... And we have to recognize that the Democrat party of the time was in many respects as conservative than the Republican Party of today.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: bolobaby on February 22, 2017, 04:44:28 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/08/13/41/081341b1f4ad8ed67731adfd80679238.jpg)

Oh. My. God.

Does this graphic really purport to favorably compare the communication styles of Reagan and Trump? Seriously?
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: ABX on February 22, 2017, 04:48:52 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/08/13/41/081341b1f4ad8ed67731adfd80679238.jpg)

Let's correct or put all these in context, one at a time.

1. One would be hard pressed to find a candidate that wasn't mocked or ridiculed before being elected - on both sides.

2. Reagan was a TV celebrity decades prior, Trump was up until running and still acted like it.

3. Reagan was a consistant conservative who left when the Democrats moved left. Trump is a populist who changes based on which way the wind of popularity moved.

4. Just a slogan, shows lack of originality by Trump.  Bill Clinton also used it.

5. We can find many cases of this with Presidential candidates on all sides.

6. There is no comparison between Reagan's straight talk and humor and Trump's use of division and vileness.

7. Non issue.

8. Non issue.

9. Not really an issue, many Presidents succeeded their opposite party.

10-11. Reagan was consistant, Trump has and is all over the board on those issues. Even to this day.

12. Reagan actually ran as a Conservative and was opposed by the moderates. He wasn't accused of not being a Conservative. Trump ran as a populist and was pretty vocal that he wasn't a Conserative. Moderates opposed Reagan. Many Conservatives opposed Trump.



Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 22, 2017, 04:54:25 pm
Plug Reagan was widely liked. Trump is widely disliked.

You're full of shit. Reagan was widely hated by the Left. There were massive protests from the word go, SNL had Joe Piscapo characterizing him as an evil pr*ck, the first 2 or 3 years of his term were rough because the economy was still a shit show, Sam Donaldson was attacking him at every press conference, Leftist GOP'ers like you were still claiming he was not up to the job.  Nutbags were blaming Aids and Crack on Reagan. The unions went ape shit babanas after he fired the Air Traffic Controllers.

I do not see a whole lot of difference between then and now.

(https://latimesphoto.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/fa_859_protest_mullen970.jpg)

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: thackney on February 22, 2017, 04:56:23 pm
2. Reagan was a TV celebrity decades prior, Trump was up until running and still acted like it.

There is that "decades" again.  Reagan was still with GE Theater in 1962, ran for president in 1968.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/timeline/reagan/
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2017, 04:58:02 pm
Reagan was liked, because he was likeable.  He had a common touch that came from his common roots.  He respected people outside the "elites."   Trump....?

"Forgotten no longer"
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/02/19/04/3D65827300000578-0-image-a-70_1487479835148.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 05:01:42 pm
You're full of shit. Reagan was widely hated by the Left.

Sure.  But regular, non-political people had no such compunction.  He was a likeable guy.  Trump, OTOH, relishes being an a-hole.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 22, 2017, 05:04:24 pm
Trump, OTOH, relishes being an bleep.

Which regular people like now. In 1981 people still believed the press. Today they hate them. In 1981 people believed the govt' was trying to do good. Today they don't. Trump is a man of his time just like Reagan was a man of his time and Coolidge was a man of his time.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 05:10:04 pm
Trump is a man of his time just like Reagan was a man of his time and Coolidge was a man of his time.

And so was Caligula a man of his time. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 22, 2017, 05:11:12 pm
Sure.  But regular, non-political people had no such compunction.  He was a likeable guy.  Trump, OTOH, relishes being an a-hole.


Reagan was likeable, Trump is not.


Trump's approval rating is quite low, never got about 50%, I believe.


Wee lil' Frankie doesn't want to believe facts.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 22, 2017, 05:23:58 pm

Reagan was likeable, Trump is not.


Trump's approval rating is quite low, never got about 50%, I believe.


Wee lil' Frankie doesn't want to believe facts.

What facts are those? Your crazy DU troll facts?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/21/president-trump-has-50-percent-approval-rating-in-latest-rasmussen-poll/

Also if you look at these approval polls Trump is doing about average with other new Presidents with their party and independents. Where Trump is having trouble is with Rats. That is a result of the polarized country which no GOP President would have been able to overcome. See: George Soros payed protesters.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/trump-is-unpopular-but-not-as-unpopular-as-liberals-think.html
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: truth_seeker on February 22, 2017, 05:27:05 pm
More of the usual predictable OCTD on display here.

Reagan was and remains hated by many, many liberals.

Trumps policies are similar or identical to Reagan's policies.

The main difference is so-called "conservatives" looking right past the policies, and dwelling on personalities.

And overlooking winning, too. Just think, you had Presidents Dole, McCain, Romney who played nice. You could have had President Kasich or Jeb Bush, complete with Billy Kristol support that also played nice.

Reagan and Trump faced massive media opposition. They both kknew it, and used their unique skills to overcome it.

In 1980 Reagan faced John Anderson, Republican at that time, who seems like the equivalent of the type of "Republican" to please some of the #nevertrumpers.

Most of you sound too young to have actually lived as adults during Reagan's Governor terms, when he took on rioting students, in terms you would deem brutish and not delicate and nice, like you want Trump to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpg0UfpuUAs

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: EasyAce on February 22, 2017, 05:29:19 pm
Ronald Reagan: Death Valley Days and General Electric Theater
Donaldus Minimus: The Apprentice, Celebrity Apprentice

Reagan: Two television drama classics.
Donaldus: Two television drama-queen fests.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Oceander on February 22, 2017, 05:33:52 pm
/snicker

Trump lovers cannot accept their God's clay feet, so they have to build specious comparisons to assuage their feelings of inferiority. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 22, 2017, 05:42:45 pm
/snicker

Trump lovers cannot accept their God's clay feet, so they have to build specious comparisons to assuage their feelings of inferiority.

Yeah, but Donny is President and your man is sitting in his on his lazy ass in his mom's basement running a ponzi scheme.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gJFbMazIpWw/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Oceander on February 22, 2017, 05:51:34 pm
Yeah, but Donny is President and your man is sitting in his on his lazy ass in his mom's basement running a ponzi scheme.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gJFbMazIpWw/hqdefault.jpg)

/snicker

Two points:

(A) that ain't "my man" so your slurs are simply specious.

(B) then why aren't the Trump lovers content with letting Trump be his own president, instead of building false analogies to try and turn him into something he isn't?

In point of fact, I doubt if Reagan would do as well now as he did when he was president because times have changed, sometimes in drastic ways.  So the comparison is not only specious, not only trivializes Trump, but also runs the risk of categorizing Trump in a way that would make him less of a president, not more. 

But, bottom line is this:  the constant need to make false comparisons to Reagan simply demonstrates the fact that even Trumps most devout worshippers know he's got serious flaws that they cannot simply wish away. 
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 05:51:59 pm
Most of you sound too young to have actually lived as adults during Reagan's Governor terms, when he took on rioting students, in terms you would deem brutish and not delicate and nice, like you want Trump to be.

Ironic, you telling us about "living as adults."
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2017, 06:10:36 pm
While some of Trump's policy choices today would no-doubt align with Reagans, they are choices of convenience rather than principle (IMHO) - what he thought would get him elected.

I'd like to introduce you to Donald Trump @Scutter ... you're apparently unaware of the principles that have driven our President for the past 37 years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305-erOr3jk

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2017, 06:14:10 pm
Oh. My. God.

Does this graphic really purport to favorably compare the communication styles of Reagan and Trump? Seriously?

Oh. My. God.  @bolobaby   

Did you really miss the full meaning of the graphic?  Seriously?
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 22, 2017, 06:20:34 pm

(B) then why aren't the Trump lovers content with letting Trump be his own president, instead of building false analogies to try and turn him into something he isn't?


I believe I already made that point in an above post where I cited Donny, Reagan and Coolidge and men of their time.

BTW, McMuffin symbolizes to me all the fail of the #NeverTrump movement. He may not have been your particular vote this year but he sure is the embodiment of it......unless you were a Shrill Stein voter. In that case carry on.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 06:21:32 pm
Oh. My. God.  @bolobaby   

Did you really miss the full meaning of the graphic?  Seriously?

And did you really miss out on the fact that the really important comparisons are missing?  Seriously?
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 06:22:34 pm
He may not have been your particular vote this year but he sure is the embodiment of it......unless you were a Shrill Stein voter. In that case carry on.

He's maybe your embodiment of it, but that's you building strawmen.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Oceander on February 22, 2017, 06:24:50 pm
I believe I already made that point in an above post where I cited Donny, Reagan and Coolidge and men of their time.

BTW, McMuffin symbolizes to me all the fail of the #NeverTrump movement. He may not have been your particular vote this year but he sure is the embodiment of it......unless you were a Shrill Stein voter. In that case carry on.

/snicker

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: thackney on February 22, 2017, 06:25:35 pm
Reagan was a paragon of integrity. A man who insisted on always wearing a suit and tie when in the Oval Office, because he didn't want to disrespect the office.

Reagan was a great man and showed immense respect for the office of president.  But the "always suit and tie in the Oval Office" is a myth.

(http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/wp-content/blogs.dir/459/files/2012/04/i-89526b16587deb67fbac22a4f8ea8263-reagannojacket.jpg)

(https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/photographs/large/c35145-18.jpg)

(https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/photographs/large/c15655-17A.jpg)

Usually yes, always no.

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: bolobaby on February 22, 2017, 06:45:20 pm
And did you really miss out on the fact that the really important comparisons are missing?  Seriously?

@r9etb

Yes, of course she did. She's been in the bag for Trump since day one and doesn't bother with anything akin to logic or facts.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2017, 06:48:43 pm
And did you really miss out on the fact that the really important comparisons are missing?  Seriously?

Nope... I didn't miss a thing.   But the list is rather incomplete @r9etb.   I would have added additional parallels between President Trump and President Reagan:

* Patriots who unabashedly love their country
* Peace through strength
* Lower taxes
* The respect, trust and support of America's backbone--the working class
* There is nothing America cannot accomplish
* The right man for his times
* Make America Great Again


(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M28719ad2457e8981b4a55410fec4db9fo2&pid=Api&w=239&h=239)
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Rivergirl on February 22, 2017, 06:49:27 pm
They had dementia in common.  Reagan at the end of his two terms.   Trump entered the office with the disease.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 22, 2017, 06:51:45 pm
I like Reagan, but amnesty, Iran-Contra, it was not a perfect presidency either.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Rivergirl on February 22, 2017, 06:52:00 pm
Ironic, you telling us about "living as adults."
Speaking as someone who remembers when Harry Truman assumed the presidency on the death of FDR, I hope you will reserve your lecture for other venues.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 22, 2017, 06:52:49 pm
They had dementia in common.  Reagan at the end of his two terms.   Trump entered the office with the disease.

Oh, that stings.

 :laughingdog:
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2017, 06:56:57 pm
I like Reagan, but amnesty, Iran-Contra, it was not a perfect presidency either.

Doubling the national debt .....
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 22, 2017, 06:58:04 pm
They had dementia in common.  Reagan at the end of his two terms.   Trump entered the office with the disease.


 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2017, 07:01:21 pm
@r9etb

Yes, of course she did. She's been in the bag for Trump since day one and doesn't bother with anything akin to logic or facts.

Interesting @bolobaby  ... I wonder why you're afraid to take your tired, worn out blather directly to me.   :pondering:

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: geronl on February 22, 2017, 07:03:57 pm
Trump is Bobo the monkey compared to Reagan
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 22, 2017, 07:05:09 pm
Which pea-brained-offspring-of-first-cousins brought evan mcmuffin into the conversation?
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 22, 2017, 07:08:31 pm
/snicker

Trump lovers cannot accept their God's clay feet, so they have to build specious comparisons to assuage their feelings of inferiority.

Nailed it in a pithy reply.

We're dealing with night and day here.  The only similarity between the two is that they both became President.

Any of the ridiculous comparisons given are wishful thinking and insecurity.

(But the communication parallel was a good laugh, wasn't it?  Yikes!)
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 22, 2017, 07:09:29 pm
They had dementia in common.  Reagan at the end of his two terms.   Trump entered the office with the disease.

Well played, @Rivergirl !  WELL played!  :silly:
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: INVAR on February 22, 2017, 07:16:23 pm
Next we will be reading about the articulate parallels of Trump to George Washington, Trump to Abraham Lincoln, Trump to Moses and Trump to Jesus Christ that all American cults of personality make of their political messiah.

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 22, 2017, 07:29:20 pm
Speaking as someone who remembers when Harry Truman assumed the presidency on the death of FDR, I hope you will reserve your lecture for other venues.

I wasn't speaking of his age....
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 22, 2017, 07:36:54 pm
Next we will be reading about the articulate parallels of Trump to George Washington, Trump to Abraham Lincoln, Trump to Moses and Trump to Jesus Christ that all American cults of personality make of their political messiah.

Actually, we've already seen absurd parallels with those, and more (including Churchill  :silly:).

This has been full blown for quite some time.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: bolobaby on February 22, 2017, 07:43:05 pm
Interesting @bolobaby  ... I wonder why you're afraid to take your tired, worn out blather directly to me.   :pondering:

Didn't my comment say it all? I learned early on that you aren't interested in logic and facts.

Never try to reason a person out of a position they weren't reasoned into in the the first place.

So that's why I usually don't address you directly. Your Trump Safe Space antics said it all during the primary.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 22, 2017, 07:44:13 pm
Actually, we've already seen absurd parallels with those, and more (including Churchill  :silly: ).

This has been full blown for quite some time.


My favorite was Seabiscuit. Trump is seabiscuit. Those words were actually uttered on this very forum.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: EasyAce on February 22, 2017, 07:48:52 pm

My favorite was Seabiscuit. Trump is seabiscuit. Those words were actually uttered on this very forum.

Could that commentator have meant to suggest he was a horse's ass?
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 22, 2017, 07:58:08 pm
Didn't my comment say it all? I learned early on that you aren't interested in logic and facts.

Never try to reason a person out of a position they weren't reasoned into in the the first place.

So that's why I usually don't address you directly. Your Trump Safe Space antics said it all during the primary.

Oh, dear @bolobaby   You appear to be confused and desperately stuck in the past.  Sad.

I'll be here to help you face reality and educate yourself.  I won't ask you to reply, so don't worry about that - - -paying attention will do just fine.

Be well.   :beer:
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: truth_seeker on February 22, 2017, 08:04:33 pm
Speaking as someone who remembers when Harry Truman assumed the presidency on the death of FDR, I hope you will reserve your lecture for other venues.

I'll defer you to then as my elder.

As such, I will only say I'm not pleased with anybody joking about dementia.

Not you, not others. Not a lecture, merely an observation.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 22, 2017, 08:05:51 pm
They had dementia in common.  Reagan at the end of his two terms.   Trump entered the office with the disease.

Really? You ever catch the first Reagan debate with Mondull?
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 22, 2017, 08:07:26 pm
Which pea-brained-offspring-of-first-cousins brought evan mcmuffin into the conversation?

So you #NeverTrumps are washing your hands of that moron? This is quite a sea change in a couple short months.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 22, 2017, 08:20:11 pm

My favorite was Seabiscuit. Trump is seabiscuit. Those words were actually uttered on this very forum.

I'm kinda glad I missed that one.

But I guess it's better than calling him Secretariat, and actually surprising that no one has done that yet.....
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Rivergirl on February 22, 2017, 08:20:53 pm
I remember the media ridiculing Bess Truman for not wearing more fashionable attire when she was first lady.
Don't remember her whining about it.
Next up, the media was after Eisenhower from the start.  Too much golf.  Do Nothing President.  All those pocket vetoes. (am I having a Dan Quayle moment)
The msm always believed they were the last word on EVERYTHING.
This is the ONLY administration that whines whine and whines some more.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 22, 2017, 08:22:02 pm
I remember the media ridiculing Bess Truman for not wearing more fashionable attire when she was first lady.


Wow... how old are you if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 22, 2017, 08:25:33 pm
So you #NeverTrumps are washing your hands of that moron? This is quite a sea change in a couple short months.

It's interesting that so many of you Trumpists put everyone who opposed Trump in any way for any reason into one stupid, monolithic category.

Do you actually think, Frank, that we all opposed this terrible candidate for the same reason, and chose the same person to vote for instead?  If so, you are sadly mistaken.

And I'm sorry to see that......
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: EasyAce on February 22, 2017, 08:29:18 pm
So you #NeverTrumps are washing your hands of that moron? This is quite a sea change in a couple short months.

My vote (we have such an option in Nevada) was "None of These Candidates."

I have no regret about that vote, either.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: EC on February 22, 2017, 08:58:13 pm
I'm more baffled how an old party game became news. Pick any two people from history and find 10 similarities - the slightly more educated version of 6 degrees of Bacon.

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Rivergirl on February 22, 2017, 09:13:48 pm

Wow... how old are you if you don't mind me asking?
Sadly, I am old enough to lament that this presidential election might have been my last and I did NOT vote for President.
Hope I live long enough to get another chance.    Always voted Republican, altho you had to be 21 way back in the day.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 22, 2017, 11:31:43 pm

My favorite was Seabiscuit. Trump is seabiscuit. Those words were actually uttered on this very forum.
Well, that's likely half right... :tongue2: :silly:
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 22, 2017, 11:37:00 pm
So you #NeverTrumps are washing your hands of that moron? This is quite a sea change in a couple short months.
I never supported him either. In fact I was pretty 'vocal' about who I did support, given the remaining options. Maybe folks didn't read that far.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 22, 2017, 11:38:01 pm
Sadly, I am old enough to lament that this presidential election might have been my last and I did NOT vote for President.
Hope I live long enough to get another chance.    Always voted Republican, altho you had to be 21 way back in the day.
Well, I, for one, hope you get as many more opportunities to vote for POTUS as you want.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Silver Pines on February 23, 2017, 01:13:04 am
"Forgotten no longer"
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/02/19/04/3D65827300000578-0-image-a-70_1487479835148.jpg)


@Right_in_Virginia

That's the guy who salutes a cardboard cut-out of Trump every day, right?

I actually feel bad for him.  I don't know any grown men who felt forgotten until they hurled themselves into a politician's arms, and then everything was all right.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 23, 2017, 02:24:58 pm
Sadly, I am old enough to lament that this presidential election might have been my last and I did NOT vote for President.
Hope I live long enough to get another chance.    Always voted Republican, altho you had to be 21 way back in the day.

@Rivergirl

There was no Republican to vote for this time around.

Lord willing, we'll both have someone to vote for in 2020.   :0001:
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 23, 2017, 02:26:24 pm

@Right_in_Virginia

That's the guy who salutes a cardboard cut-out of Trump every day, right?

I actually feel bad for him.  I don't know any grown men who felt forgotten until they hurled themselves into a politician's arms, and then everything was all right.

There are SO many parallels with Obama and Trump fans, aren't there?  Remember how people thought Obama was going to pay their rent and buy them appliances?

Same deal here.

Sad.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 23, 2017, 02:29:13 pm
@Rivergirl

There was no Republican to vote for this time around.

Lord willing, we'll both have someone to vote for in 2016.   :0001:

You living in a parallel world that is 6 months behind ours? I hate to break it to you but Trump wins.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: EC on February 23, 2017, 02:30:02 pm
There are SO many parallels with Obama and Trump fans, aren't there?  Remember how people thought Obama was going to pay their rent and buy them appliances?

Same deal here.

Sad.

To be completely fair, Trump has occasionally done that for people. The Worm, never. We'd have heard about it 24/7 if he had.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 23, 2017, 03:00:06 pm
There are SO many parallels with Obama and Trump fans, aren't there?  Remember how people thought Obama was going to pay their rent and buy them appliances?

Same deal here.

Sad.

Yes, I remember people saying this about Trump NOT.

Sad.

Of course, I'm sure there are dozens and dozens of articles that show this point NOT.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 23, 2017, 03:02:20 pm
You living in a parallel world that is 6 months behind ours? I hate to break it to you but Trump wins.

Their idea of conservative may be one who stands for open borders, compromising with the Democrats and one who hurts the Republican brand, in other words, George Dubya Bush.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: r9etb on February 23, 2017, 03:05:03 pm
Their idea of conservative may be one who stands for open borders, compromising with the Democrats and one who hurts the Republican brand, in other words, George Dubya Bush.

I'd be very interested in seeing your idea of "conservative," and how Trump could be described as such.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 23, 2017, 03:12:32 pm
I'd be very interested in seeing your idea of "conservative," and how Trump could be described as such.
Simply put, I don't think open borders is a conservative policy.

Trump also has already defunded International Planned Parenthood.

Has pledged pro-life justices to the SCOTUS of which Gorsuch may be.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 23, 2017, 03:22:23 pm
Simply put, I don't think open borders is a conservative policy.

Trump also has already defunded International Planned Parenthood.

Has pledged pro-life justices to the SCOTUS of which Gorsuch may be.


Some libertarian minded conservatives are open borders, most are not.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 23, 2017, 03:26:26 pm

That's the guy who salutes a cardboard cut-out of Trump every day, right?  I actually feel bad for him.  I don't know any grown men who felt forgotten until they hurled themselves into a politician's arms, and then everything was all right.

This picture @CatherineofAragon captures the despair that has been growing among the middle class...and the gratitude that is felt for President Trump who is keeping his promise to "never let them down".

It is, IMO, rather heartless of you to ridicule this and those who are living it.  But perhaps your principled worldview doesn't require a heart.   :shrug:
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 23, 2017, 03:31:20 pm
There are SO many parallels with Obama and Trump fans, aren't there?  Remember how people thought Obama was going to pay their rent and buy them appliances?

Same deal here. 

Not even close.  The Trump supporters want JOBS, not appliances.  Try and catch up.    **nononono*
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 23, 2017, 03:31:23 pm
This picture @CatherineofAragon captures the despair that has been growing among the middle class...and the gratitude that is felt for President Trump who is keeping his promise to "never let them down".

It is, IMO, rather heartless of you to ridicule this and those who are living it.  But perhaps your principled worldview doesn't require a heart.   :shrug:

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 23, 2017, 03:35:43 pm
You living in a parallel world that is 6 months behind ours? I hate to break it to you but Trump wins.

Oops.  Fixed it.  ^-^
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 23, 2017, 03:37:09 pm
To be completely fair, Trump has occasionally done that for people. The Worm, never. We'd have heard about it 24/7 if he had.

You think Trump's going to buy that guy hugging him a refrigerator?   ^-^

Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 23, 2017, 03:42:42 pm
Trump, trying to cut down the size of government, I do realize he is also advocating for some projects like the wall but has tried to cut down on the agencies.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Silver Pines on February 23, 2017, 03:56:29 pm
This picture @CatherineofAragon captures the despair that has been growing among the middle class...and the gratitude that is felt for President Trump who is keeping his promise to "never let them down".

It is, IMO, rather heartless of you to ridicule this and those who are living it.  But perhaps your principled worldview doesn't require a heart.   :shrug:

@Right_in_Virginia

Right, like I said....a guy who suddenly had his world made right by idolatry of a politician.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Silver Pines on February 23, 2017, 03:57:34 pm
Just to clarify, this quote is from @CatherineofAragon  (not me)  ^-^.

@Right_in_Virginia


Thanks!  It's so nice it needed to be posted twice.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: EC on February 23, 2017, 04:42:07 pm
You think Trump's going to buy that guy hugging him a refrigerator?   ^-^

Some rando came up and hugged me, I'd probably buy him a fridge too, if it got him to go away.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 23, 2017, 04:58:15 pm
Heavens, a man is hugging a cardboard figurine of Trump. What is the world coming to? Isn't that the most horrible thing one has ever heard? 

 888ohnoes
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: musiclady on February 23, 2017, 05:00:37 pm
Some rando came up and hugged me, I'd probably buy him a fridge too, if it got him to go away.  :tongue2:

 888high58888
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 23, 2017, 05:02:28 pm
Heavens, a man is hugging a cardboard figurine of Trump. What is the world coming to? Isn't that the most horrible thing one has ever heard? 


Pretty much yes. It is the most horrible thing I've ever heard. Worse than AIDS and cancer combined. Congratulations.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: TomSea on February 23, 2017, 05:05:08 pm
Plenty of folks say the nastiest things about Trump; why aren't the same people complaining about "idols" or whatever, calling those making such mean-spirited remarks out? Huh?

It's really derails the thread, intentional or not.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: EC on February 23, 2017, 07:58:48 pm
Apparently he salutes it, not hugs it.

http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/local/with-his-new-fame-boynton-man-proclaims-himself-trump-spokesman/unSMxJ9saPaVbOrAKlHrSK/

Still a bit of an odd duck.
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 24, 2017, 08:12:28 am
Trump, trying to cut down the size of government, I do realize he is also advocating for some projects like the wall but has tried to cut down on the agencies.
So, what agencies has he proposed be eliminated, and how far along is that?
Title: Re: The Trump-Reagan parallels
Post by: thackney on February 24, 2017, 12:51:31 pm
So, what agencies has he proposed be eliminated, and how far along is that?

It is a start at least.  Moving in the right direction but could be greater.

Trump freezes hiring of many federal workers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trump-freezes-hiring-of-federal-workers/2017/01/23/f14d8180-e190-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.html

President Trump instituted an immediate hiring freeze Monday, signing a presidential memorandum that would affect a large swath of the executive branch but leave wide latitude for exemptions for those working in the military, national security and public safety.

The move — coming on the new president’s first full working day in the White House — represents the opening salvo in what could be the most concerted effort to overhaul the federal workforce in 35 years....