S.E., sweetie, you need not be lonely anymore.
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I'm on the way. You'll be finding G-d (screaming his name, actually), soon enough.
To all the men who've responded, your replies are very Trumpian. What business do we have to criticize his Orangeness if our side sounds like him? Is there anything of merit you can comment on from S.E.'s article?
To all the men who've responded, your replies are very Trumpian. What business do we have to criticize his Orangeness if our side sounds like him? Is there anything of merit you can comment on from S.E.'s article?
To all the men who've responded, your replies are very Trumpian. What business do we have to criticize his Orangeness if our side sounds like him? Is there anything of merit you can comment on from S.E.'s article?
To all the men who've responded, your replies are very Trumpian. What business do we have to criticize his Orangeness if our side sounds like him? Is there anything of merit you can comment on from S.E.'s article?
To all the men who've responded, your replies are very Trumpian. What business do we have to criticize his Orangeness if our side sounds like him? Is there anything of merit you can comment on from S.E.'s article?
It takes only a moment to see this Clinton media piece belongs in the circular file.
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I don't know. Looks like something R_I_V would post .Love the expression on the kids. Something like "Who's this weirdo," or "dang his hands are almost as small as mine".
I check out hot women-my wife knows it-notices me doing it. She saw a attractive guy a few weeks back and commented how easy on the eyes he was.My wife agrees. She has a thing for Jeff Gordon. One time I asked her if Jeff Gordon showed up on our doorstep, would she run away with him. She answered......Jeff Gordon would never show up on our doorstep.
As another has mentioned you can look at the menu just can't order.
@AllThatJazzZ
S.E., sweetie, you need not be lonely anymore.
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I'm on the way. You'll be finding G-d (screaming his name, actually), soon enough.
OK. I'm starting to understand now. I'm a newbie, so be patient while I catch up.If S.E. had been an ordinary-looking woman, this thread would have:
1. Had some thoughtful replies on it, or
2. Dropped to the bottom with no replies.
Since S.E. is an attractive woman:
1. We don't discuss the content of her article.
2. We make sexual references about her (which really kinda makes her point), and
3. We defend the practice of posting those sexual references.
So as not to confuse others who consider joining the board thinking they've found a place where double standards get exposed, maybe the above explanation should be placed in the rules of the board. It would have been nice to know when I first found the board.
Just an observation....You are putting 10 dollars worth of thought into a 2 dollar problem
OK. I'm starting to understand now. I'm a newbie, so be patient while I catch up.Well, if we still had to deal with the late Helen Thomas it be the same problem in reverse. Nature of the internet I reckon, but I agree. This ain't TOS and the whole guilty/not guilty based on pictures, or one pin up shots of Ann Coulter are immature.If S.E. had been an ordinary-looking woman, this thread would have:
1. Had some thoughtful replies on it, or
2. Dropped to the bottom with no replies.
Since S.E. is an attractive woman:
1. We don't discuss the content of her article.
2. We make sexual references about her (which really kinda makes her point), and
3. We defend the practice of posting those sexual references.
So as not to confuse others who consider joining the board thinking they've found a place where double standards get exposed, maybe the above explanation should be placed in the rules of the board. It would have been nice to know when I first found the board.
Just an observation....You are putting 10 dollars worth of thought into a 2 dollar problem
Perhaps. But for a party that's losing women by the hundreds, one might consider whether they're part of the problem or part of the solution. For those who have decided that we can spare these female voters, then there's not even a problem to consider. Just know that Trump looks a bit less creepy if Republicans criticize his attitude toward women and make excuses for their own.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey/some-excellent-se-cupp-gifs-to-help-get-you-through-your-day?utm_term=.rqy0lKb85#.bdwj4017p
The Lonely Life of a Republican Woman
@Wingnut
Thank you
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Well, if we still had to deal with the late Helen Thomas it be the same problem in reverse. Nature of the internet I reckon, but I agree. This ain't TOS and the whole guilty/not guilty based on pictures, or one pin up shots of Ann Coulter are immature.
What would Laz do?
🚨🚨 HELEN THOMAS ALERT 🚨🚨
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"You rang...?"
Could some of you fellows take a break from posting and head to the (cold) showers? Might do you some good.
Could some of you fellows take a break from posting and head to the (cold) showers? Might do you some good.
Thank you, JazzZ, for at least trying to bring some sanity to this steaming pile of hypocrisy.
@mountaineer
@mystery-ak
Thank you for your posts. I admit that I had a different first impression of TBR. Maybe I was just fortunate regarding the threads I clicked on. After the activity on this thread, I had to go look at the front door to see if I was in the right place. But for the formatting, I was sure I was at TOS. :shrug:
Anyway, I'm not able to contribute here, so I'm going to check out. Thank you, @mystery-ak, for your consistency in the manner in which you conducted yourself. You're part of why I had such a favorable opinion of TBR initially. God bless.
@AllThatJazzZ
Please stick around.
Could some of you fellows take a break from posting and head to the (cold) showers? Might do you some good.
I've been told that there are more important things than sexual assault. (To illustrate my point, elsewhere online, men on the right are responding to Cupp's article by calling her a " despicable scrag", a "slut", a "creature", and "just another sniveling female."
Again, the problem isn't what Trump said, it's his behavior. The men on the forum aren't claiming that they get away with grabbing women's genitals. If that were the case, they'd deserve condemnation.
I'm tired of these women whining about "equality" and wanting "to be treated like men are threated",and then they have hissy-fits and get on their Femi-Nazi horses when a man talks to them like he would talk to another man.
"Man up!",bitch! You are getting paid big bucks to write your drivel,so quit sniveling and do your damn job!
You can't play the "But....,but...,but...,I'm just a GURL!" card while complaining about not being treated like a man.
Perhaps. But for a party that's losing women by the hundreds, one might consider whether they're part of the problem or part of the solution. For those who have decided that we can spare these female voters, then there's not even a problem to consider. Just know that Trump looks a bit less creepy if Republicans criticize his attitude toward women and make excuses for their own.
Wholeheartedly backing a Presidential nominee who admits to using his small hands to grab women by the nether-regions and claiming his money leads women to let him DOES NOT HELP.
Exactly where are GOP men disparaging Cupp? It ain't here so I assume you are talking about places like FR and Trumpbart. That is the official home of the Alt-Right where mental defectives like Milo Yiannopoulos celebrate rape as an evening of the tally after decades of men being Gloria Steinemed and Murphy Browned into emasculation.
Not really sure that is indicative of the GOP in general.....at least on the street level.
Well perhaps some women want to be treated like a woman and not a man.
Exactly where are GOP men disparaging Cupp? It ain't here so I assume you are talking about places like FR and Trumpbart. That is the official home of the Alt-Right where mental defectives like Milo Yiannopoulos celebrate rape as an evening of the tally after decades of men being Gloria Steinemed and Murphy Browned into emasculation.
Not really sure that is indicative of the GOP in general.....at least on the street level.
@DB
Then maybe they should start acting like women instead of men.
Besides,this woman's outrage is as phoney as Bubbette's smile unless she is looking at a dying child.
Well perhaps some women want to be treated like a woman and not a man.
Well that's not quite true on the wider front. Trump is now the official head of the GOP. Trump has clearly damaged the GOP's image with women. Every Republican man that defends Trump and his treatment of women only furthers that damage. Trump is a wrecking ball with little aim.
In my view Trump has brought to life nearly every cliche the left says about the right. When Trump is done most people will be ashamed to admit they were Republicans. And to me that is the biggest danger of 4 years of Trump. That will be the end of the party as a resistance to the progressives - if that point hasn't already been reached.
@CatherineofAragon @Frank Cannon
I'd have a easier time believing her outrage were sincere if she didn't write for the NYT,and she had ever condemned Bubba Bill for his actions,or Bubbette! for running the Bimbo Eruption Squad and sending Craig Livingstone out to terrorize women Bubba raped. We all know THAT ain't going to happen though,don't we?
🚨🚨 HELEN THOMAS ALERT 🚨🚨
"You rang...?"
It doesn't matter who the hell she writes for. SE Cupp is generally on our side of things. I agree with your broader point on woman complaining that they do not get treated as total equals and then want chivalry at their beck and call, but there is a valid point here. Trump has shit on the woman vote with both barrels. It's absurd and will have consequences for those who see a future for the GOP. I do not.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the GOP brand has been garbage for years. Broken promises. Irrational battles while serious issues are not touched. There isn't a Millennial that will have anything to do with it. The Rat party doesn't excite them either. There is no interest in the newer voters minds to keep these two corrupt entities around anymore because they don;t stand for anything.
No matter what happens this election, I predict the GOP to be dead in 4 to 8 years and separate factions within all the parties breaking into their own. It will be more like other countries where there are numerous parties that cobble together on certain issues that they can agree on.
I'm tired of these women whining about "equality" and wanting "to be treated like men are threated",and then they have hissy-fits and get on their Femi-Nazi horses when a man talks to them like he would talk to another man.
"Man up!",bitch! You are getting paid big bucks to write your drivel,so quit sniveling and do your damn job!
You can't play the "But....,but...,but...,I'm just a GURL!" card while complaining about not being treated like a man.
I went to the link to read the entire article but I can't see it without creating an account. Then I saw Jazzz's post.
@AllThatJazzZ, come on, don't leave over a single thread. TBR is nothing like TOS. Stay.
Finally was able to read the entire article.
I agree with a good deal of what was written. This election has, quite frankly, left me disoriented. As a woman who disdains feminists, I've been forced into seeing that, apparently, what they say about some conservative men is true. Some men on the right lack proper respect for women. I've been told that there are more important things than sexual assault. (To illustrate my point, elsewhere online, men on the right are responding to Cupp's article by calling her a " despicable scrag", a "slut", a "creature", and "just another sniveling female."
Cupp is right when she says that Republicans are going to have to work very hard to win back women. Who knows whether they'll manage to do it? Newt Gingrich's job was to go on Megyn Kelly's show and sell Trump to women, but he couldn't manage it.
@Machiavelli
I never thought I would be in the position of defending "women's issues"...it's a strange place for me to be. But if men are going to refuse to defend us, then my only option is to stand up. And I damn well will, because no one is going to tell me that sexual assault is permissible and I'm supposed to be okay with it.
@Machiavelli
@CatherineofAragon @Frank Cannon
I'd have a easier time believing her outrage were sincere if she didn't write for the NYT,and she had ever condemned Bubba Bill for his actions,or Bubbette! for running the Bimbo Eruption Squad and sending Craig Livingstone out to terrorize women Bubba raped. We all know THAT ain't going to happen though,don't we?
Finally, don't get me wrong. I am just as quick to turn my head or pause the TV to get a better glimpse of a good-looking guy as the next woman. I'm not disapproving of finding someone beautiful or handsome or foxy or hot. It's when they're objectified, not taken seriously that gets my dander up. And that POV gets ridiculed here. Bummer.
Just within the past 24-48 hours there have been some things posted that were stunning to me. I didn't reply to them, but I was taken aback. Then when this thread turned into the kind of feeding frenzy that TOS engages in, I decided this wasn't the right place for me.
You are aware that SE Cupp routinely shook her ass around on Red Eye? Those are not photo shopped pics of her with her legs in the air. She did that on the show. Tomi Lehren also goes out of her way to sell her hotness first and then her commentary second. That is why there are the comment here that make you "angry" about women being objectified. They set themselves up for it.
Gotta love that Trumpian value system, eh?! Are you sure Trump's not your guy? Y'all have so much in common.
Did she say something provocative in her article? Was there some sort of "come on" in her words that provoked the men to skip any meaningful discussion and default to their baser instincts?
I know there are decent men out there. PLEASE speak up! PLEASE!!
Gotta love that Trumpian value system, eh?! Are you sure Trump's not your guy? Y'all have so much in common.
Did she say something provocative in her article? Was there some sort of "come on" in her words that provoked the men to skip any meaningful discussion and default to their baser instincts?
I know there are decent men out there. PLEASE speak up! PLEASE!!
Men get treated like they have?
Examples, please?
ADD much?
Right. You keep on believing there was a time when floozies and inappropriate women were respected for their intellect. If you use your physical assets to shoehorn your way into the TMZ media world, you better not expect everyone to look past all that and respect you for your mind. There was a reason why mothers told their daughters to act properly in public. It's because men are men.
I also find it hilarious that you are basically equating ogling and cat calling a hot chick to sexual assault. Comment on a hot chick? Your a Donny supporter pining away to get your fingers dirty.
The "decent men" you are looking in your strange ever evolving rubric of morality are in reality today's snowflakes. Hope you enjoy the company of "men" who wear feetsie pajamas, get excited about extra marshmallows in their hot chocolate and love to watch Fried Green Tomatoes once in a while to have a good cry.
For someone who was all hot that the first three commenters didn't say anything about the content of the article, here we are hours later and YOU still haven't commented on the article yourself.
Exactly. The article echoes exactly the same comments my wife had when she explained why she had decided to vote for Clinton: because Trump was pulling the country backwards in terms of how women were treated. And I feel similarly. I will never vote for Clinton, but I cannot vote for Trump.
I am of the opinion that this is manufactured out rage on the part of both Megan Kelly and SE Cupp. Both got where they are on their looks, both had no problem objectivity themselves to advance their career. As best I can tell Trump, in a private conservation, bragged that since he is a "star" women allow him to touch them. Notice the "allow", I think the direct quote is "they let me do it". Not one creditable accusation of sexual harassment has yet to be made against Trump. I am reminded of Herman Cain. A manufactured scandal and fake moral out rage. A world famous billionaire grouped someone twenty, thirty years ago and they just remembered it three weeks before the election?
The democrats are desperate to talk about anything but the issues this election. The democrats are on the wrong side of every issue important to the American people, every damn one. So Trump is sometimes boorish in private conservation with the guys, big deal. If he does one tenth of what he says he wants to do he will be a great president. One of the best and after Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama, Obama we really need a good president. We will not survive another globalist president (Clinton).
I am of the opinion that this is manufactured out rage on the part of both Megan Kelly and SE Cupp. Both got where they are on their looks, both had no problem objectivity themselves to advance their career.The thing is, though, that it's not just them.
Frank, she's no Donny supporter. She wrote in a name for president and voted Republican down ballot according to her posts. Women are rightfully angry over Trump's words and actions and don't want to hear it from others, particularly now. Driving off mostly like minded people doesn't help this site.
Yet these women DEMAND they be treated like men and paid like men.
When was the last time you heard about a man complaining because a woman grabbed his genitals? Don't laugh,it happens. I am guessing that MOST of the time the man is not only fine with it,but tells her something like "I'll give you 15 minutes to stop that!",but it's not always welcome. Yet we don't seem to get traumatized by it. There are LOTS of things that happen to you in life,and if they don't cause you any actual harm,you just ignore than and go about your business.
Besides,I have a hard time believing some attractive women managed to get through high school and reach the age of 30 without having been groped. If high school girls can deal with it without being traumatized,a professional in her 30's should be able to deal with it. Hell,I have known some women that would have verbally put him in his place to the point where he would have been whimpering and begging for mercy before they were done with him.
This whole thing is based on nothing at all other than scoring political points.
Exactly where are GOP men disparaging Cupp? It ain't here so I assume you are talking about places like FR and Trumpbart. That is the official home of the Alt-Right where mental defectives like Milo Yiannopoulos celebrate rape as an evening of the tally after decades of men being Gloria Steinemed and Murphy Browned into emasculation.
Not really sure that is indicative of the GOP in general.....at least on the street level.
As a point of order. I don't think it right or kind that your alert was directly above the pic. The alert should have been at least five posts before the actual pic, or it does no good at all. I didn't even get a chance to close my eyes.
OK. I'm starting to understand now. I'm a newbie, so be patient while I catch up.If S.E. had been an ordinary-looking woman, this thread would have:
1. Had some thoughtful replies on it, or
2. Dropped to the bottom with no replies.
Since S.E. is an attractive woman:
1. We don't discuss the content of her article.
2. We make sexual references about her (which really kinda makes her point), and
3. We defend the practice of posting those sexual references.
@CatherineofAragon @Frank Cannon
I'd have a easier time believing her outrage were sincere if she didn't write for the NYT,and she had ever condemned Bubba Bill for his actions,or Bubbette! for running the Bimbo Eruption Squad and sending Craig Livingstone out to terrorize women Bubba raped. We all know THAT ain't going to happen though,don't we?
@jmyrlefuller
Yeah,because we all know that if there is one thing attractive women are NOT attracted to is is men with money.
That kind of trash isn't widespread, but Republican men trying to justify Trump's actions is more so than I would have imagined. I just got done typing a post in response to one. And there's a reason conservative women are writing article after article, calling them out on it. These are not whiny females; they're women rightfully saying, "What the hell is wrong with you?"
I am of the opinion that this is manufactured out rage on the part of both Megan Kelly and SE Cupp. Both got where they are on their looks, both had no problem objectivity themselves to advance their career. As best I can tell Trump, in a private conservation, bragged that since he is a "star" women allow him to touch them. Notice the "allow", I think the direct quote is "they let me do it". Not one creditable accusation of sexual harassment has yet to be made against Trump. I am reminded of Herman Cain. A manufactured scandal and fake moral out rage. A world famous billionaire grouped someone twenty, thirty years ago and they just remembered it three weeks before the election?
The democrats are desperate to talk about anything but the issues this election. The democrats are on the wrong side of every issue important to the American people, every damn one. So Trump is sometimes boorish in private conservation with the guys, big deal. If he does one tenth of what he says he wants to do he will be a great president. One of the best and after Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama, Obama we really need a good president. We will not survive another globalist president (Clinton).
I don't know of any women who grab men's crotches, but if they do, it should't be done.
@jpsb
:amen: :amen: :amen: EVERY word true! Wish I had been saying it that way.
@DB
This whole election has me swearing off the GOP and Trump Democrats that invaded it. I cannot believe the Party that once touted family values think women should shut up and allow themselves to be groped and abused. I cannot believe the party that once defended the unborn now thinks it's okay for Trump to perform abortion in the oval office as long as he builds some mythical wall. I cannot believe that the party of Christian values now supports, excuses and celebrates any and all forms of perversion because the Orange One did them.
I do not want to be associated with such a party or with such people.
I am of the opinion that this is manufactured out rage on the part of both Megan Kelly and SE Cupp.
Both got where they are on their looks, both had no problem objectivity themselves to advance their career.
As best I can tell Trump, in a private conservation, bragged that since he is a "star" women allow him to touch them. Notice the "allow", I think the direct quote is "they let me do it". Not one creditable accusation of sexual harassment has yet to be made against Trump. I am reminded of Herman Cain. A manufactured scandal and fake moral out rage. A world famous billionaire grouped someone twenty, thirty years ago and they just remembered it three weeks before the election?
The democrats are desperate to talk about anything but the issues this election. The democrats are on the wrong side of every issue important to the American people, every damn one. So Trump is sometimes boorish in private conservation with the guys, big deal. If he does one tenth of what he says he wants to do he will be a great president. One of the best and after Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama, Obama we really need a good president. We will not survive another globalist president (Clinton).
Misogynists of a feather....
..Trump's not the right man for the job, and it's not just the sexual stuff, although the sexual stuff doesn't help, either.
I do not see a defense of Donny being a dirtbag a wide spread issue. At the few places this is being done, it's just not women being bashed. Prior to the sex tape being released, the Alt-Righters were going after men. Personally I have been called a "" or "Cuckservative" or a "NeoCon" by the knuckle dragging political class. As you can see they like to hit back at distention with gutter attacks because quite honestly they are a generally stupid lot of low level thinkers.
Do you get the impression as I do that they don't have wives or girlfriends?
@sneakypete
The women Trump groped demanded that? How do you know that?
I don't know of any women who grab men's crotches, but if they do, it should't be done. That said, because some rough broad somewhere does it, that makes it all right for men to grope private parts? Is that what you're saying? Because there are differences between the sexes, we all know that, and men are much more likely to grope than women.
Who's talking about being traumatized? I'm saying no man should grope a woman's genitals. Do you disagree?
Again, you're the only one claiming women are traumatized. I've had my own experiences with a man who locked a supply room door and backed me into a corner. I made clear to him exactly what would happen to parts of his anatomy if he didn't leave me alone. He got the message and we had no problems getting along afterward. But if he had touched my genitals, he'd have had blood running down his face, I'll guarantee you that.
Political points? Bullcrap. It started out being about the fact that Trump is unfit for the presidency, but it's turned into a sad mess with men on the right justifying and excusing his behavior.
It's either that or they don't dare talk to them like they do to us here about this issue for fear of 22222frying pan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBIC8JTQMMQ
Perhaps. On the other hand, do you think she wears that clothing and puts her legs up on the desk like that purely out of chance? Because it was the first thing she happened to grab while getting dressed for work? She is blatantly and deliberately using sex appeal to get attention from guys. Because she is choosing to do that, I see absolutely zero wrong with men giving her the exact kind of attention she is purposefully inviting. I see her, and the first --and really only -- thing I think is "nice legs". We're freaking programmed to notice that stuff.
This crap has gone WAAAAY too far into left field when alleged conservative women are bitching about men finding women in the public eye to be sexy because of the FACT that they dress sexy and look sexy.
@sneakypete
We do? I don't. I don't keep up with Cupp, but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be okay with Clinton's behavior. Besides, he isn't running now.
I don't have to agree with Cupp on everything to acknowledge that she's pretty much right on this, although I have no use for terms like "empowering." But she essentially gets it.
I came from TOS, where everyone had to be in lockstep on every single point or you deserved to be strung up. I can differ with people on political points while acknowledging we agree on others.
@jmyrlefuller
Yeah,because we all know that if there is one thing attractive women are NOT attracted to is is men with money.
My guy is not as much of a hard-core conservative as I am, but I'm working on him...Anyway, I've said before that if I was walking down the street with my fiancee and some guy came up and grabbed my crotch, that my fiancee would be going to jail for curb-stomping the guy. I said that to him last night and he just looked at me and said "No, you're the one who would curb-stomp him, I'd just shoot him."
It's just sad that a former card-carrying member of the ACLU shows more protectiveness and respect for a woman than a good portion of conservatives.
Also here is a question: If you were walking down the street, would you go up to someone and randomly throw a cup of tea in their face? No, you wouldn't because that's ridiculous. If you can understand why throwing a cup of tea in someones face is wrong, why can't you understand that about grabbing someone's genitals?
@sneakypete
Not all of us.
Misogynists of a feather....
@jpsb
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@CatherineofAragon
Of course; Saint Creamsicle can never do wrong.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that Trump is guilty of sexual assault.
Have you ever heard of a single groper who asked permission before groping? Trump admitted that he walked up to women and just kissed them, so do you really think he said, "May I grab your crotch?"
"They let me do it" = he gets away with it.
BINGO! I am a man and I REFUSE to be intimidated into pretending to be some sort of "safe metero-sexual male" in order to please politicized females that expect PC to dominate natures demands.
@sneakypete
I don't keep up with Cupp, but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be okay with Clinton's behavior. Besides, he isn't running now.
@Maj. Bill Martin
BINGO! I am a man and I REFUSE to be intimidated into pretending to be some sort of "safe metero-sexual male" in order to please politicized females that expect PC to dominate natures demands.
How do you know he groped them?
In FACT,where did the "them" come from? Last I heard only one has made that claim,it was over 20 years ago and she is just NOW making the claim.[/b]
In general,no,but there is no denying there are places and events where the only real reason any females are there is to be groped. They know that and they are highly paid to be there for that and similar purposes.
I am NOT making any claim that the woman who ALLEGES Trump groped her a couple of decades ago was there to be groped,but I AM making the claim that if she was that offended/traumatized,she should have made the claim at the time,not decades later when he is running for President and right before the elections
ANYBODY that isn't just a tad suspicious about the timing of her alleged outrage shouldn't be allowed to cross the streets by themselves. You are making yourselves tools of the Clinton campaign,and don't we ALL know there is no low they won't stoop to,no lie they won't tell,and no threats they won't make or actual violence they won't commit in order to win? If you don't,you just haven't been paying attention.
Ok,so you are flying your Oprah "You go,gurl!" flag and are blind to both reason and common sense. I get it. I will stop trying to reason with you after asking this last question to see if there is any honor or honestly left in you.
Is it POSSIBLE you have never been to or seen social affairs where virtual or even actual strangers meet and are introduced to each other and then give and get light hugs and kisses to the cheeks?
WHO THE HELL asks for permission to kiss someone on the cheek they have just been introduced to at social events?
Can you HONESTLY claim this not only happens,but is an accepted thing at social events?
If not,I am done with you. You need to join the Hillary/Oprah "You GO GURL!" Brigade and be done with it.
Yes,ALL women are attracted to wealthy men.
Hillary has stated that Bill will be in charge of the economy.
If you don't think former president Bill Clinton will not be a prominent member of a Hillary Clinton administration than there is no hope for you.
Yes,ALL women are attracted to wealthy men. It's genetic,and tied to the survival of the species. Just like even geezers like me are sexually attracted to young women because they are young enough and generally speaking healthy enough and strong enough to have,nurture,and protect children.
@sneakypete
You're pathetic. Do us all a favor---don't ever claim respect for women. Okay?
Wrong on both counts.
Women who are attracted to money are not women to ride the river with, and they never have been. Not too long ago, being a gold-digger was a type that other women wouldn't abide, and most men wouldn't consider.
Personally, I have always found that type of woman to be horribly shallow - not worth an hour of my time, regardless of the outer package.
Women are attracted to providers and protectors - Something that might have been replaced by money in the cities, But that surely wouldn't turn a mountain girl's head. At least not one worth her salt. Success has it's place, I suppose, but that is not necessarily measured in income.
And I have ZERO interest in a woman young enough to be my daughter. I had an option on a gal 37 years old - fine looking woman too - Not quite young as my daughters, but close enough. Too wide a generational gap. Same with 40... I have since refined my tastes to no younger than 47, and preferring a lady in her 50's
My guy is not as much of a hard-core conservative as I am, but I'm working on him...Anyway, I've said before that if I was walking down the street with my fiancee and some guy came up and grabbed my crotch, that my fiancee would be going to jail for curb-stomping the guy.
@CatherineofAragon
Don't worry your pointy little head about that one,I have ZERO respect for idiots like you that get all "outraged" of decades old ALLEGATIONS pushed by the Clinton's that Trump groped some woman who didn't complain about it when it happened,and ignore the FACT that serial rapist Bill Clinton and the woman he put in charge of The Bimbo Eruption Squad that had Craig Livingstone nailing missing family pets to these women's front doors to discover when they came home,OR a guy who MIGHT have "groped and kissed " a woman at a social event WILL be the next President of the United States.
You are CLEARLY in favor of the serial rapist and his Nazi bitch of a wife being the next residents of the White House. Oprah must be sooo proud of you!
I will now leave you along to go back to pretending you have morals.
Get off your high moral horse,cowboy. What I wrote IS true. What you are PROJECTING is that it can't be true because most women don't act on these basic urges and that all women are not whores.
Anymore that all men are perverts stalking high school girls because they find young women sexually attractive.
Wrong on both counts.
Women who are attracted to money are not women to ride the river with, and they never have been. Not too long ago, being a gold-digger was a type that other women wouldn't abide, and most men wouldn't consider.
Personally, I have always found that type of woman to be horribly shallow - not worth an hour of my time, regardless of the outer package.
I think there is a difference between a golddigger whose primary motivation is marrying wealth, and someone for whom the fact that a man earns a decent living is one factor in determining his suitability for marriage. I don't know many women for whom wealth/ability to provide is completely irrelevant.
@sneakypeteIdaho Cowgirl must not be cause she's still here. :laugh: Rugged good looks and sexy mustache must come first.
Not all of us.
Idaho Cowgirl must not be cause she's still here. :laugh: Rugged good looks and sexy mustache must come first.
And I reckon it don't hurt that you know how to hog-tie ;)
Yep...It was too late.....we was already incensed.
@geronl
The Republican Party is not and never has been "the party of Christian values". No such party can exist in a free nation because religions demand obedience,not free-thinking.
Here he come, running through the pole beans, through the fruits and vegetables...
Nekkid as a jay bird. And I hollered over t' Ethel, I said, "Don't
look, Ethel!"
🚨🚨 HELEN THOMAS ALERT 🚨🚨
As usual it was the kids fault!
Aw geez. Thanks for relighting the fuse on this bomb of a thread.
Frankly these posts from the guys don't bother me. They're using normal language to just express the fact that they find a woman hot. Men do that. It's normal. I'm a happily married woman but I can watch a movie or TV show and say, "Wow, that is a fine hunk of man right there." My husband doesn't have a problem with it.Men and Women are hard wired to appreciate God's artwork, There is nothing wrong with it, unless it is taken outside of polite societal norms. It's when the look turns into a stare, loud verbalizing of desire in inappropriate venues and manners, and unwanted physical liberties are taken. Some people never learn how to behave correctly, either they were never taught or they feel they are above the little people around them.
Again, the problem isn't what Trump said, it's his behavior. The men on the forum aren't claiming that they get away with grabbing women's genitals. If that were the case, they'd deserve condemnation.
NONSENSE.
Social Conservatism is part and parcel within Conservatism, and paramount within social conservatism are the principles contained within the Judeo-Christian Ethic. In as much as the Republican Party desires to be the champion of Conservatism, it must necessarily also adhere to that ethic accordingly.
But then, there's the root of the problem, ain't it? Looks like the Pubbies had best go look for another base (good luck with that), because the principles of Conservatism are indivisible.
@jpsb@CatherineofAragon
You still haven't responded to Trump calling for a global economy and a borderless world---three years ago. What you think of it? You must have an opinion.
@CatherineofAragonWow :amen:
Don't worry your pointy little head about that one,I have ZERO respect for idiots like you that get all "outraged" of decades old ALLEGATIONS pushed by the Clinton's that Trump groped some woman who didn't complain about it when it happened,and ignore the FACT that serial rapist Bill Clinton and the woman he put in charge of The Bimbo Eruption Squad that had Craig Livingstone nailing missing family pets to these women's front doors to discover when they came home,OR a guy who MIGHT have "groped and kissed " a woman at a social event WILL be the next President of the United States.
You are CLEARLY in favor of the serial rapist and his Nazi bitch of a wife being the next residents of the White House. Oprah must be sooo proud of you!
I will now leave you along to go back to pretending you have morals.
@CatherineofAragon
He changed his mind. Let's hold him to it.
Trump changes his mind more often than Hillary changes her Depends.And if he changes his opinion to benefit conservatives the problem is? Seems like we have a bunch of conservatives that will not accept victory. I think that is not smart.
And if he changes his opinion to benefit conservatives the problem is? Seems like we have a bunch of conservatives that will not accept victory. I think that is not smart.
I think the vast majority of men here would agree with you that a guy doing what you described would deserve to get punched.
That being said, some here are implying that a guy commenting on a woman's physical attractiveness puts them in the same class as a lecher who grabs crotches, and that's not right either.
And if he changes his opinion to benefit conservatives the problem is?The problem is believing him.
And if he changes his opinion to benefit conservatives the problem is? Seems like we have a bunch of conservatives that will not accept victory. I think that is not smart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBIC8JTQMMQ
The problem is believing him.
"Road to Des Moines" conversions are a far too common trope in politics, and this guy's made more of them than a man can count. Without any real record to judge against, we have to take him at his word now and not take him at his word back then.
In other words, blind faith.
And if he changes his opinion tobenefitfool conservatives the problem is?
That's legit. I don't know that I'd kill the feller, but it would be a close thing. He'd be in the hospital contemplating the error of his ways. And if I saw such a thing occur, not knowing the woman, there isn't a doubt in my mind that I would be obliged to render assistance as needed.
That just ain't done.
No. Mountain girls, and I would say Country girls on the whole, are extraordinarily capable. If they need protection, they'll come a running for their man. But if that's happening, it ain't money that's gonna fix it. And if you ain't capable enough to provide shelter and protection at that point in time - If they don't think you can defend them - they are not going to think much of you at all.
Life here is tough as nails, and your money won't help that all that much.
A good work ethic is part of it, sure, but a 'good provider' is just as easy the guy that can drop an elk in the freezer every winter, and put up 4 cords of wood... A guy that can fix anything, and build anything, is probably worth more than a guy that can buy anything... Folks that go through life buying all they want, generally tend not to develop the character it takes to live here.
I have just expressed to you the bare fact that young women hold no sexual attractiveness for me. I really have no interest for anything under late 40's, as I said. I can certainly appreciate beauty under that age, but not in an aspect driving toward sex. Like I said, the refinement of a lady more my age is required.
Idaho Cowgirl must not be cause she's still here. :laugh: Rugged good looks and sexy mustache must come first.
I think there is a difference between a golddigger whose primary motivation is marrying wealth, and someone for whom the fact that a man earns a decent living is one factor in determining his suitability for marriage.
And I reckon it don't hurt that you know how to hog-tie ;)
Here he come, running through the pole beans, through the fruits and vegetables...
Nekkid as a jay bird. And I hollered over t' Ethel, I said, "Don't
look, Ethel!"
@roamer_1
Ray Stevens was nothing less than a gift to humanity.
@roamer_1Was?! He's still alive and still recording!
Ray Stevens was nothing less than a gift to humanity.
I got a better picture....
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BTW, she claimed she was a libertarian so why does she care about Republican women?
I just reread my post and it does sound like I'm leaving because of this thread. I apologize for the wording. I was upset and sad and didn't express myself clearly.This is the craziest election season I think we've ever seen. Family and friends have turned against one another because of it, so I think it's understandable that things sometimes get heated. Honestly, TOS and this place are like night and day. When I read there now, it's total batcrap crazy.
Just within the past 24-48 hours there have been some things posted that were stunning to me. I didn't reply to them, but I was taken aback. Then when this thread turned into the kind of feeding frenzy that TOS engages in, I decided this wasn't the right place for me.
I also have disdain for feminism. In fact, I'm probably one of the most old-fashioned, conventional chicks on this board. But I'm a big fan of respect and boundaries, and that doesn't have a thing to do with anything but common decency. Although it was Republican men on display tonight, it's not just Republican men who behave this way.
How disconcerting it's been to watch men (and women) eager to defend Trump and his sorry shenanigans. It was pukeworthy when it was Dems defending Bubba, and our side was quick to point that out. It should be equally as pukeworthy when "one of ours" (using the term verrrrrrrrry loosely) does it.
Women who have been put upon by men are often at a loss of how to handle it. There is no class in school or college that gives you the tools to establish boundaries that, without any warning, you find have been breached. No man announces that he's going to cop a feel or stick his nasty tongue down your throat. All at once you're ashamed, embarrassed, angry, frightened, guilty (!), confused and wondering how to get out of the situation safely. Most women I know never say anything about these incidents because they are so shame invoking. There are some incidents that happened in the 70s that I never told anyone about -- not even my friends. Just too embarrassing. If, due to circumstances, I was forced to come forward and reveal what happened, what would be the first thing said about me? "Why is she just now coming forward? She's lying!" So, I'll go to my grave without revealing what happened.
This is not to say that I'm taking a position on whether those 11 women are telling the truth or not. I honestly don't know (although I do know Trump thought he had the privilege to grab or kiss them because of his station in life). I'm just explaining why keeping these things secret is something women do.
You don't have to be a feminist to understand that there is such a thing as sexism. When men treat a women as a sexual object to be ogled and lusted over, they're being sexist. Obviously, I made people mad when I complained about the disrespect shown to S.E. I was startled by that. I have spent far too much time (TOS class of '98) observing the piling on when someone goes against the flow. I've really had my fill of it.
It's revealing to read that you believed you needed to make sure the readers knew you weren't a feminist. Are we so terrified that we might rub up against a "liberal" tenet that we have to offer up an explanation before we defend decency? What's up with that?
I applaud you for this! For the most part (like you), I'm not into "women's issues," preferring to see issues as "human" ones instead of gender specific. But, for the most part, being grabbed, groped and forcibly kissed mostly happens to women.
Finally, don't get me wrong. I am just as quick to turn my head or pause the TV to get a better glimpse of a good-looking guy as the next woman. I'm not disapproving of finding someone beautiful or handsome or foxy or hot. It's when they're objectified, not taken seriously that gets my dander up. And that POV gets ridiculed here. Bummer.
Ahab the Arab was a classic. It would be a safe space event today..
Was?! He's still alive and still recording!
@CatherineofAragon
He changed his mind. Let's hold him to it.
Was?! He's still alive and still recording!
@jmyrlefuller
I am really happy to hear that,but he was a gift to humanity from the first time he walked into a recording studio.
*I* pretty much agree with everything you say,but like you,*I* am a man,and I live a rural life. I shoot 308's and 12 gauges off in my yard,and nobody lives close enough to even notice it.
The part I quoted above is proof you agree with me and we have just been "talking past" each other. What you described is the rural equivalent of being rich because in YOUR position it is proof to the typical woman OF YOUR CULTURE that you can protect her and the children,and you can provide for them.
I can flat-out guarantee it won't impress a single model or beauty queen in NYC or Miami,though. One might even feel sorry enough for you to mention it,though.
For city girls,nothing beats cash in the bank for proof a man can provide a stable and safe home life for her and any children she may have. Actually,many city girls in this day of AA hiring and quotas have enough money coming in to provide them for themselves and take care of a husband also if they want,but even if they won't admit it,most women will start want a man that brings in more than they do.
It's just an ingrained part of nature . If men and women hadn't developed these traits that compliment each other to where two halves make a whole,mankind would have gone extinct long ago.
@Maj. Bill Martin @roamer_1
Any woman who DOESN'T take such things into consideration when she is considering marrying and having children is a fool.
Love and lust are wonderful stuff,but they don't pay the bills.
Just for the record, I mostly agree with that. The only difference for me is if you are married, you shouldn't be talking about other women like that in public because I think it is disrespectful of your wife. But I'm old school...
The problem is believing him.
Almost, but not quite. My point up until now was to disabuse you of the idea that money is what women were after. You began in that notion. Now it turns out that, since 'protection and provision' are subjective, subject to vagaries which include culture and conditions, it can be no more than a modifier.
@Maj. Bill Martin @sneakypete
Then what is left for a beat up old cowboy like me? Oddly enough, poor as a church-mouse, largely incapable of getting along... Yet my dance card is full.
Go figger.
@roamer_1
Money is nothing more than a tool. I have no idea why you can't seem to accept this. It can provide anything and everything you can provide,even if the person that has the money has no skills or talents of his own.. It is every bit as much of a symbol of security as brawn or bullets because it can hire done anything the person that possesses it can't do for themselves.
You were obviously able to provide what your wife was looking for. What else is required to seal the deal if the emotional connection was already present?
Not by a long shot. None of the things that matter have anything to do with mere mammon.
Apparently not, or she'd still be here.
@roamer_1
Maybe not in your alternate universe,but in the world the rest of us live in money is essential.
@roamer_1
Those things are NEVER as simple as any one thing.
@AllThatJazzZ Please keep in mind it's just one thread and one or two people who put forth the POV you describe.
Money is for putting food in your belly. It doesn't even figure into honor, trust, loyalty, truth, justice, beauty, knowledge, love, joy... and on and on.
I live on less a month now than I used to spend on coffee. And I live good. Money ain't all that.
@sneakypete
The thing is, though, that it's not just them.
Consider Mary Katharine Ham, a woman who is (no offense if you're reading this, Mary, since you'd be more than good enough for me) quite a bit more modest and homely, and yet her distaste for Trump is quite the same. I've been paying some attention to Ham, never knowing what she even looked like until I came across her Twitter account a few days ago, since she was helping out with Hugh Hewitt's blog a decade ago. She's one of the best and most insightful female pundits out there, and yet she comes to the same conclusions many of us here do: Trump's not the right man for the job, and it's not just the sexual stuff, although the sexual stuff doesn't help, either.
Then you have other people who have used their looks to advance their media careers—Tomi Lahren, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham—and many of them are on the Trump train.
Ok,so you are flying your Oprah "You go,gurl!" flag and are blind to both reason and common sense. I get it. I will stop trying to reason with you after asking this last question to see if there is any honor or honestly left in you.
Is it POSSIBLE you have never been to or seen social affairs where virtual or even actual strangers meet and are introduced to each other and then give and get light hugs and kisses to the cheeks?
WHO THE HELL asks for permission to kiss someone on the cheek they have just been introduced to at social events?
Can you HONESTLY claim this not only happens,but is an accepted thing at social events?
If not,I am done with you. You need to join the Hillary/Oprah "You GO GURL!" Brigade and be done with it.
Stop it, Sneaky. You are generalizing.
@Emjay
Of course I am. So is everyone else. Including you.
No, Pete. I specifically said that you are generally generalizing.
@Emjay
Ok,if you don't know what the term means you shouldn't use it.
I beat you at your own game and you can't take it.