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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Elderberry on August 12, 2018, 12:12:57 pm
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The Post & Email by Sharon Rondeau 8/11/2018
On Saturday former 2008, 2012 and 2016 presidential candidate Cody Robert Judy sent by fax a “Proposed Executive Order†declaring Barack Hussein Obama “Unqualified and a Usurper of the Office Of the President under the Constitution of the United States of America.â€
The “Executive Order†is addressed to “President Donald Trump†at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW in Washington, DC, the address of the White House.
Written from the hypothetical signer’s point of reference, the document text invokes “National Security and Election Integrity†as at the forefront of determining presidential eligibility.
Judy first challenged Obama’s eligibility in 2008, when he filed a lawsuit claiming that Obama is not a “natural born Citizen†because his alleged father was not at any time a U.S. citizen. At the same time, Judy challenged Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain’s eligibility due to his birth in Panama, albeit to U.S.-citizen parents.
Judy has stated in subsequent legal actions and writings his belief that only an individual born in the U.S. to two U.S.-citizen parents can be considered “natural born.†The requirement in Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution was left undefined by the Framers, although a letter written by John Jay to George Washington during the constitutional convention indicated that Jay believed the chief executive should have undivided allegiance to the nation.
A 2012 ballot challenge of Judy’s eventually reached the U.S. Supreme Court, which did not schedule oral argument on the merits. In 2014, Judy filed a new case claiming that the Democratic Party, of which he is a registered member, had formed “an illegal cartel†by supporting an ineligible presidential candidate, thereby allegedly violating federal anti-trust laws.
More: https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/11/former-presidential-candidate-proposes-executive-order-declaring-obama-ineligible/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/11/former-presidential-candidate-proposes-executive-order-declaring-obama-ineligible/)
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Never heard of the guy, but GEEZ! Can we give the matter a rest? Those who challenged Obam's eligibility all lost. Obama ruled this country all 8 years of his presidency. . He's out of office now. It's over. Time to move on.
His stink still hangs heavy over the office.
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Never heard of the guy, but GEEZ! Can we give the matter a rest? Those who challenged Obam's eligibility all lost. Obama ruled this country all 8 years of his presidency. . He's out of office now. It's over. Time to move on.
IMO, Obama getting to be POTUS for eight years emboldened the Left.
By the Congress and Justice Department being cowed/castrated by Obama's skin tone, they completely ignored the high crimes of that Administration.
There's no way a candidate for President's past should be allowed to remain a mystery to most people. And yet, nobody ever saw him or heard of him at Columbia university.
All along, they thought ...if it worked for a black man, it'll be a snap for a woman...especially a 'Clinton'.
If they would have gone strictly by the book...his ass would STILL be in jail. 'Burning' American cities be damned!
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Never heard of the guy, but GEEZ! Can we give the matter a rest? Those who challenged Obam's eligibility all lost. Obama ruled this country all 8 years of his presidency. . He's out of office now. It's over. Time to move on.
I agree time to move on.
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Oh, for God’s sake already.
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His stink still hangs heavy over the office.
That is what happens when an unqualified foreigner is allowed to occupy the office for eight years! Follow the Constitution!
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That is what happens when an unqualified foreigner is allowed to occupy the office for eight years! Follow the Constitution!
Bookmark. wink777
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He'll have to prove he was personally affected by this, or like all the cases before, they will say he has "no standing".
I won't hold my breathe.
Has Sherrif Joe's wagon train made to D.C. Yet, with that evidence that was going to blow the lid of off this, as he said, "any day now?"
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Bookmark. wink777
C*uz I know who you are scared of @Right_in_Virginia
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He'll have to prove he was personally affected by this, or like all the cases before, they will say he has "no standing".
I won't hold my breathe.
Has Sherrif Joe's wagon train made to D.C. Yet, with that evidence that was going to blow the lid of off this, as he said, "any day now?"
I forgot about the claim by Birther Joe.
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I know who you are scared of @Right_in_Virginia
Don't come between the grownups ... it's not a safe place for you.
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This guy really sounds like someone credible. He has a GoFundMe for car repairs. Selling meat from his SUV wasn’t enough, lol.
I won’t donate until he stops capitalizing every other word.
https://www.gofundme.com/transportation-assistance4cody-judy (https://www.gofundme.com/transportation-assistance4cody-judy)
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Even better...he charged the stage when someone was speaking at BYU and made a bomb threat. He was jailed for 8 years.
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Never heard of the guy, but GEEZ! Can we give the matter a rest? Those who challenged Obam's eligibility all lost. Obama ruled this country all 8 years of his presidency. . He's out of office now. It's over. Time to move on.
Nope, not time to move on.
Time to settle the issue now and for future generations.
Time for Congress to exercises it's enumerated constitutional authority to develop a set of rules regarding NBC.
Further, in a related matter, time for Congress to restrict voter participation in US Federal elections to US citizens only.
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Nope, not time to move on.
Time to settle the issue now and for future generations.
Time for Congress to exercises it's enumerated constitutional authority to develop a set of rules regarding NBC.
Further, in a related matter, time for Congress to restrict voter participation in US Federal elections to US citizens only.
:amen: If this nation is to survive that is EXACTLY what needs to be done!
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Nope, not time to move on.
Time to settle the issue now and for future generations.
Time for Congress to exercises it's enumerated constitutional authority to develop a set of rules regarding NBC.
Further, in a related matter, time for Congress to restrict voter participation in US Federal elections to US citizens only.
@Taxcontrol is right.
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Nope, not time to move on.
Time to settle the issue now and for future generations.
Time for Congress to exercises it's enumerated constitutional authority to develop a set of rules regarding NBC.
Further, in a related matter, time for Congress to restrict voter participation in US Federal elections to US citizens only.
Agree! And let it work its way to the Supreme Court. Once. And. For. All.
Let's have the debate.
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Nope, not time to move on.
Time to settle the issue now and for future generations.
Time for Congress to exercises it's enumerated constitutional authority to develop a set of rules regarding NBC.
Further, in a related matter, time for Congress to restrict voter participation in US Federal elections to US citizens only.
(https://i.imgflip.com/q0p1h.jpg)
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His stink still hangs heavy over the office.
@The Ghost
So what? It is indistinguishable from the Bush and the Clinton stink.
Obomber can't run for president again,so he isn't much of a threat anymore.
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@The Ghost
So what? It is indistinguishable from the Bush and the Clinton stink.
Obomber can't run for president again,so he isn't much of a threat anymore.
@sneakypete
Oh No. There is a different order left from the O'bastard. Kind of a shit house door off of a tuna boat smell.
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ISIS was very happy with their plant.
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@sneakypete
Oh No. There is a different order left from the O'bastard. Kind of a shit house door off of a tuna boat smell.
@The Ghost
No difference at all. It's like arguing about which one was the biggest traitor,just like that would be a distinction worth mentioning.
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I guess if you can't drain the swamp, build the wall, lock her up, or make great deals, an EO shows you're doing something besides golf and tweets. Go for it.
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IMO, Obama getting to be POTUS for eight years emboldened the Left.
By the Congress and Justice Department being cowed/castrated by Obama's skin tone, they completely ignored the high crimes of that Administration.
There's no way a candidate for President's past should be allowed to remain a mystery to most people. And yet, nobody ever saw him or heard of him at Columbia university.
All along, they thought ...if it worked for a black man, it'll be a snap for a woman...especially a 'Clinton'.
If they would have gone strictly by the book...his ass would STILL be in jail. 'Burning' American cities be damned!
Hey @DCPatriot I could not agree more. The media should take much of the blame but where were the Republicans? And where was the public?
We know NOTHING about the real Obama. You can bet that if Trump had been a candidate against him, he would have tweeted so much it couldn't have been ignored.
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The States elected Obama. Nothing unconstitutional about it. If you believe your State should not have qualified Obama as a legitimate candidate, then you should have taken that up with your State long before either of the elections.
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More on Cody Robert Judy:
http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=3671533&itype=CMSID (http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=3671533&itype=CMSID)
https://universe.byu.edu/1999/08/02/cody-judy-leaves-prison-on-parole/ (https://universe.byu.edu/1999/08/02/cody-judy-leaves-prison-on-parole/)
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/846569/Judy-arrested-after-visit-with-children.html (https://www.deseretnews.com/article/846569/Judy-arrested-after-visit-with-children.html)
He's a kook, and anyone who gives this fool the time of day is just as kooky as he is.
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Can we get this Thread back on Topic
I rather thought the "Tuna Smell' thing showed promise and was slightly disappointed that didn't catch.
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The States elected Obama. Nothing unconstitutional about it. If you believe your State should not have qualified Obama as a legitimate candidate, then you should have taken that up with your State long before either of the elections.
It was tried.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation#State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation#State)
Donofrio v. Wells
In October 2008, Leo Donofrio, an attorney from New Jersey, filed suit against Nina Mitchell Wells, the Secretary of State of New Jersey, to challenge the eligibility of Obama, Republican presidential candidate John McCain (see details here) and the Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero.[81] Donofrio asserted that all three candidates were ineligible: Obama due to having dual U.S. and British nationality at birth (the latter via Obama's father), McCain due to being born in the Panama Canal Zone, and Calero due to allegedly still having Nicaraguan citizenship.[82]
Donofrio was not among those who claimed Obama might have been born outside Hawaii.[83] Also, Donofrio did not challenge the fact that Obama is a U.S. citizen and instead challenged only whether Obama is a natural-born citizen.[84]
The case was referred to the Supreme Court by Justice Clarence Thomas. When the case reached the United States Supreme Court on December 8, 2008, the Court declined without comment to hear it.[82]
Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz
On October 31, 2008, Greenwich resident and health food store owner Cort Wrotnowski filed a suit in the Connecticut Supreme Court against then Secretary of State Susan Bysiewicz challenging the authenticity of presidential candidate Obama's Hawaii birth certificate. The suit was dismissed after initial hearings.[85]
Wrotnowski appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court on November 25,[86] contending that the British citizenship of Obama's father made the president-elect ineligible to assume office. Leo Donofrio, whose earlier case against Obama's eligibility had been turned down, assisted Wrotnowski's Supreme Court appeal.[87] The request for stay or injunction was denied without comment on December 15, 2008.[86][88] Thomas Goldstein, who has argued numerous cases before the court and covers Supreme Court cases, commented that "The law has always been understood to be, if you are born here, you're a natural born citizen. And that is particularly true in this case, when you have a U.S. citizen parent like Barack Obama's mother".[88]
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Never heard of the guy, but GEEZ! Can we give the matter a rest? Those who challenged Obam's eligibility all lost. Obama ruled this country all 8 years of his presidency. . He's out of office now. It's over. Time to move on.
I might agree if Obama had moved on ... say moved back to Hawaii as he promised. But he and his giant wife are still out there attempting to influence elections.
I know we can't undo the 8 years of Obamapression but, for my own satisfaction, I want to know the truth about Obama. The truth is out there.
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@Emjay
@Applewood
Never heard of the guy, but GEEZ! Can we give the matter a rest? Those who challenged Obam's eligibility all lost. Obama ruled this country all 8 years of his presidency. . He's out of office now. It's over. Time to move on.
Obama's eligibility was never adjudicated. It was conveniently presupposed. Obama's citizenship records were never investigated in a courtroom trial--not even once.
(I think the guy who is trying to bring up the citizenship of Obama's father is a confused doofus grasping at straws--more importantly, the wrong straws. But I'm guessing that Trump will eventually get back on point regarding Obama's Hawaiian Birth Certificate. If so, the matter could get very interesting.)
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Obama's eligibility was never adjudicated. It was conveniently presupposed. Obama's citizenship records were never investigated in a courtroom trial--not even once.
Because no court has ever found any substantial cause to do so.
He has a birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is valid. That is as much evidence as any of us have of being U.S. citizens. Unless they have some sort of credible proof that the state of Hawaii acted in bad faith, we're wasting our time on this.
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Because no court has ever found any substantial cause to do so.
He has a birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is valid. That is as much evidence as any of us have of being U.S. citizens. Unless they have some sort of credible proof that the state of Hawaii acted in bad faith, we're wasting our time on this.
It looks to me like everything is now for sale.
Want to buy the liberty bell?
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ISIS was very happy with their plant.
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Can we get this Thread back on Topic
I rather thought the "Tuna Smell' thing showed promise and was slightly disappointed that didn't catch.
Don’t know. Where’s everyone’s favorite slum lord @Frank Cannon ? He’s the expert on that topic.
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@sneakypete
Oh No. There is a different order left from the O'bastard. Kind of a shit house door off of a tuna boat smell.
In August.
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Because no court has ever found any substantial cause to do so.
He has a birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is valid. That is as much evidence as any of us have of being U.S. citizens. Unless they have some sort of credible proof that the state of Hawaii acted in bad faith, we're wasting our time on this.
Seems like a good answer to me. :shrug:
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Because no court has ever found any substantial cause to do so.
He has a birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is valid. That is as much evidence as any of us have of being U.S. citizens. Unless they have some sort of credible proof that the state of Hawaii acted in bad faith, we're wasting our time on this.
There are a number of problems with this. For one thing, the Short Form BC that was originally used by Obama to claim that he is a U.S. citizen proves nothing. Even Hawaiian officials admitted this.
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Can we get this Thread back on Topic
I rather thought the "Tuna Smell' thing showed promise and was slightly disappointed that didn't catch.
@corbe Quite ironic to see you begging for a thread to stay on topic.
My point is that I want Obama exposed for my own satisfaction. Our country spent 8 years under the disastrous control of a man we literally knew almost nothing about.
We did know that Ayers wrote his book and it is an awful book, well suited for a Bulwar-LLyton award.
We know that he had/has a wife but we don't know if he procreated. We know he went to college ... or did he? No one remembers him and none of his papers or writings or grades are available.
We have people who have devoted their lives to finding every tiny thing that Trump did wrong. If you don't believe me, see the Omarosa thread.
I want Obama exposed, both for my own satisfaction and so that he will lose whatever influence he still has over his base.
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There are a number of problems with this. For one thing, the Short Form BC that was originally used by Obama to claim that he is a U.S. citizen proves nothing. Even Hawaiian officials admitted this.
It is not even a little stretch to believe that Hawaiian officials would be complicit in lying for Trump. They are a gormless bunch, even today.
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It is not even a little stretch to believe that Hawaiian officials would be complicit in lying for Trump. They are a gormless bunch, even today.
And, the governor at the time was hard leftist and friend of 0, Neil Abercrombie (I think I have the name right.)
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PEOPLE! WAKE UP! It's over! Done! You can't unring a bell,and there are more important things to worry about now.
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@Quix
@Sanguine
@Smokin Joe
@Bigun
@GourmetDan
@Cyber Liberty
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@Maj. Bill Martin
It is not even a little stretch to believe that Hawaiian officials would be complicit in lying for Trump. They are a gormless bunch, even today.
Yeah, they are a gormless (?) bunch. (That's a new word for my expansive lexicon, thanks--I guess!) But the Hawaiian officials have actually been lying for Obama, not for Trump. (See below.)
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As an important matter of background, when Hawaii's statehood was being considered by the other States, the proposal was stalled and almost failed because Hawaii was widely regarded as a Communist stronghold. (At that time, the Communist cell in Hawaii was reportedly regarded by the FBI as the second most zealous, dangerous Communist cell in the U.S.--second only to the one in Chicago.) After much debate, however, the federal statute did pass, and Hawaii squeaked into Statehood.
The Communistic bent of the Territory of Hawaii seems to have been largely the result of diligent community-organizing work by Frank Marshall Davis (the "Uncle Frank" who mentored Obama as a teenager, according to Obama's autobiography [obviously ghosted by Bill Ayers, of course]). Davis had been dispatched from Chicago to Hawaii when Hawaii was still a Territory; Davis's mission was evidently that of setting up a Communist cell there. Davis was an extraordinarily devout Stalinist and was definitely regarded by the FBI as the single most dangerous Soviet agent in America. (A standing order/warrant was put in place by the FBI to arrest Davis immediately if a war ever broke out between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R.)
I am guessing, but I strongly suspect that Davis and his cell were behind Hawaii's insane and still existing policy of issuing Short Form Birth Certificates showing Hawaiian birthplaces , including even specific Hawaiian hospitals and Hawaiian physicians for the birth, to persons who were known to have been born outside the U.S.
When Maricopa County Sheriff Arpaio heard this allegation concerning Hawaii's ridiculous birth certification policy, he did not believe it. He regarded it as an impossibly dopey claim borne of a stupid conspiracy theory, and he formed his Posse specifically to debunk the larger "theory" that Obama was actually born in Kenya. But Arpaio soon found out that the claim about Hawaii's bizarre birth certificate protocol was actually correct. And after he got deeper into the overall investigation, he loudly warned that the Hawaiian protocol was a national security risk in which Hawaii served as portal evidently designed for infiltration of America by America's very worst deep cover enemies.
Considering Obama's known close associations with Chicago, the larger Alinskyite movement, ACORN, Bill Ayers, and especially Frank Marshall Davis himself in Hawaii, Arpaio's myriad of disturbing findings about the dubious nature of Obama's Birth Certificate (plus other riveting, corroborating evidence that Obama was born in Kenya) were and still are very serious. Saying "Move on: that train has left the station" is UTTERLY UNACCEPTABLE.
This stuff is even more serious now that we now have stunning evidence, arguably even clear proof that Obama had a leading role in a massive conspiracy to aid and abet the enemies of the USA during our war on terrorism, to sow terrible discord between Americans, to defend voting fraud, to weaken America by open borders, to subvert America's economic stability and military might, and more recently a conspiracy to protect HRC and simultaneously block Trump's election and/or effectively nullify Trump's election by using corrupt officials in Obama's own weaponized DOJ, FBI, and CIA to do very, very dirty work against Trump. Considering also that we have massive evidence that the Mockingbird Media is similarly weaponized, i.e., deeply in the tank for the Deep State, we ought to be appalled to realize that all of Arpaio's evidence has been suppressed by the scoffing MSM.
We cannot let this matter drop. Anyone on TBR who thinks we can just "move on" is either a hopeless ignoramus who has been dumbed-down by the MSM or a political milquetoast who thinks we should not even bother to pursue retributive justice against those who perpetrated a political rape of our Constitution and Republic.
(By the way, the whole mess gets curiouser and curioser when we remember that Obama's own tribe in Kenya is the Luo tribe--a quasi-Muslim spiritualist cult with a few bizarre pseudo-Christian trappings. The Luo tribe was responsible for the machete insurrection [very well organized "rioting"--complete with house-to-house murders on a grand scale] that slaughtered 10,000 unarmed civilians [and burned 800 churches to the ground] after the presidential election loss in 2007 by Obama's beloved "cousin" Odinga [an East German-trained Socialist]. The machete murderers were able to force a settlement in which Odinga was installed as the new Prime Minister of Kenya. It is well documented that Obama had been heavily involved as a political consultant and campaigner for Odinga during Odinga's unsuccessful 2007 campaign for the Presidency. Obama's consulting role while Odinga was trying to overturn his election loss is less clear but still worrisome, to say the least.
Whatever we might think about Obama, it is a fact that his East African tribe is bad news, indeed, and manifestly pro-Communist. However, the main reason why I have brought up the Luo tribe has nothing to do with Kenyan politics or of Obama's meddling therein. My reason has to do with an eerie but verifiable report of something else that is even more flagrantly demonic about Obama's tribe: about a century ago, an elder in the Luo tribe--evidently some sort of witch doctor in the tribe--issued an occultist's prophecy that a native Son of Kenya would some day destroy America. This prophecy is reportedly well-known within the Luo tribe. I care nothing at all about such a prophecy--beyond the possibility that Obama, who spent considerable time in his youth with his tribal family in Kenya, had somehow been raised to believe the prophecy and perhaps even believe that he would be its fulfillment. [At the very least, Obama's racial heritage stems from a tribe that has a longstanding and extreme contempt for America, a tribe yearning for our destruction.]
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Anyway, you can bet that our POTUS has the decisive, damning evidence that Arpaio amassed over a matter of years concerning Obama's birthplace fraud. The Long Form Birth Certificate "found" by Obama about a month after Trump demanded the release of that document a few years ago has backfired on them. Numerous documents examiners have unanimously declared that Obama's long-hidden-away (?) document is just a digital forgery that was cobbled together to shut Trump up. No forensic documents examiner who has actually examined the document has endorsed it as to its authenticity.
Interestingly, when one documents expert filed a criminal complaint about the document fraud in a Seattle Federal District Court, a complaint ultimately directed at Loretta Fuddy, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health [the agency in charge of all birth records], Dr. Fuddy soon thereafter died mysteriously in a commuter plane crash. (Fuddy was the only one of the eight or so passengers who did not survive the accident, which involved a relatively soft emergency [?] landing in the ocean just off the shore of Hawaii. The other passengers declared that Fuddy seemed to be doing fine as they all awaited a water rescue, comfortable in their life jackets.)
With the death of Dr. Fuddy, who had been the zealous guardian of Obama's birth records, the federal case out of Seattle also died.
Oh, did I fail to mention that this high-ranking government official was a friend of Obama's mother, Stanley Dunham? Yep, she was. Stanley Dunham had met Loretta Fuddy years earlier when Fuddy was the national head for the American branch of a bizarre mystical Muslim cult founded and headquartered in Indonesia. And if I recall correctly, Fuddy had connections via that cult back to global socialists in Chicago.
Go figure.
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I will not bother to trot out all of the positive evidence that Obama was actually born in Kenya. Instead, I will tell you about a guy I met while taking care of his friend at my clinic a couple of years ago. This fellow had a British accent, and when I said "Are you from the U.K.?," he responded, "Yes, but I lived for the past 30 years in Kenya." I then asked with an ironic smirk, "Do you mean Obama's birthplace?," he got very serious: he said that he lived for thirty years only thirty miles from President Obama's true birthplace--where there used to be a plaque commemorating the site of Obama's birth (since removed by the Kenyan government). This gentleman went on to say "I love America. But I have to say that you Americans are stupid."
In this post, I have merely presented the highlights of the evidence that Obama's birthplace narrative is a fraud. There is a great deal more than I have presented. But the highlights alone are enough to establish something I figured out more than 10 years ago: Obama is not an American, not even an African-American. He is a pure African.
By way of summary, Obama was the ideal point man for a huge, complex conspiracy to destroy our Republic (likely the penultimate stage of the conspiracy, with HRC slated to deliver the final coup). We must not be so incredulous as to say "They surely knew they would never get away with putting a non-American in the Presidency." Heck, they knew exactly what they were doing. They took a calculated risk, realizing that it was actually a weirdly low risk given the fact of highly placed co-conspirators (especially the MSM and also highly placed Hawaiian crooks guarding Obama's records [or the lack thereof]) who would protect their Perfect Crook Obama against any disclosure of his true birthplace. And they were probably depending on the very audacity of their birthplace fraud to decrease even further the likelihood of exposure. (Obama loves audacity, of course. It's an Alinskyite thing. [Speaking of audacity, did you notice the super-sentimental chapter that served as a kind of centerpiece in Ayers's masterful fraud Dreams From My Father? It was the story of Obama discovering his Hawaiian birth certificate in his grandparents' attic. This was an audacious but masterful touch by a very gifted literarist who served as Obama's controller. But when you finally figure out that everything about Obama is a fraud--including his supposedly wonderful writing skills and his alleged brilliance as a Harvard law student and his supposedly wondrous speaking gifts--you should immediately notice that the chapter about finding the birth certificate is yet another audacious fraud piled upon zillions of other frauds.])
And you know what? The engineers of the birthplace fraud were actually correct--almost correct, that is. The conspirators did get away with the birthplace fraud for more than eight full years. The only thing that they never envisioned was that Trump would beat Hillary in an election rigged by Hillary and the DNC. Now, it's all going to come out.
If anyone on TBR remains incredulous, just wait until Obama goes on trial. I predict that the starting point of the prosecution will be the illegal spying ordered by Obama but the capstone of the prosecution will be Obama's birthplace fraud. It will be a slam-dunk conviction. It will top off a lovely prosecutorial package for a military tribunal. And I believe that Trump will see that it will be absolutely necessary for America's full repentance.
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@the_doc
I have never said anything other than Obama is a Kenyan and you have provided more material to further cement that for me.
I hope and pray that you know what you are talking about wrt his finally being brought to justice. I further hope and pray that the entire cabal that made his assent to the Whitehouse possible and who aided and enabled him while there goes with him.
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And, the governor at the time was hard leftist and friend of 0, Neil Abercrombie (I think I have the name right.)
Yep, you got the name right. And he backed Obama, not the likes of Trump. Abercrombie was a RINO who was somehow "buds" with Obama. Oddly enough, he campaigned for Governor with a promise that he would personally get to the bottom of the Records and find the Long Form BC. He was sure he could vindicate Obama against the Birthers.
Well, he tried. And failed. And had to admit that he had failed. After that, he clammed up, I believe.
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@the_doc The cult you referred to is called SUBUD. It's reach is global, and Loretta Fuddy was just a small part of it. Odd that the M,E. should proclaim that a woman with no history of heart problems or issues should die of cardiac arrhythmia, rather than cardiac arrest.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subud (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subud)
Subud (pronounced [ˈsʊbʊd]) is an international spiritual movement that began in Indonesia in the 1920s, founded by Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo.[note 1] The basis of Subud is a spiritual exercise commonly called the latihan kejiwaan, which was said by Muhammad Subuh to represent guidance from "the Power of God" or "the Great Life Force". He claimed that Subud was not a new teaching or religion. He recommended that Subud members practice a religion but left them to make their own choice of religion. Some members have converted to Islam. Others have found that their faith in and practice of Christianity or Judaism, for example, has deepened after practising the latihan.[1] There are Subud groups in about 83 countries, with a worldwide membership of about 10,000.[2]
Plenty more at the link.
More to chew on:
http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2014/01/the-real-obama-an-indonesian-muslim-socialist-puppet/ (http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2014/01/the-real-obama-an-indonesian-muslim-socialist-puppet/)
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If anyone on TBR remains incredulous, just wait until Obama goes on trial. I predict that the starting point of the prosecution will be the illegal spying ordered by Obama but the capstone of the prosecution will be Obama's birthplace fraud. It will be a slam-dunk conviction. It will top off a lovely prosecutorial package for a military tribunal. And I believe that Trump will see that it will be absolutely necessary for America's full repentance.
Wow. And people say I've got Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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What a bunch of looney tunes.
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More from the Post & Email:
In the Fall of 2008, Senator Barack Obama, unbeknownst to the country, had a major political problem that threatened his run for President and his political career. The Democrat Party of Hawaii (DPH) had refused to certify him as eligible to appear on the Hawaiian ballot for President of the United States. The DPH is the Democrat Party’s political body in Hawaii charged with requesting, reviewing and verifying the credentials of Democratic National Committee (DNC) candidates to ensure their eligibility for placement on the Hawaiian ballot, conforms with state and federal election laws.
The DPH’s denial was due to Obama’s inability to provide certified documents (a birth certificate?) needed to confirm his eligibility. This decision by the DPH was followed by a clandestine conspiracy by the DNC, chaired by Nancy Pelosi, to affirm that Obama was eligible for the ballot by submitting two different, sworn Official Certifications of Nomination (OCON) for him, containing different language. Both versions of the OCON were sent to the Hawaiian Office of Elections but only one was sent to the other 49 states’ Election Offices. The DNC’s skullduggery was an effort to control political damage, keep Obama on the Hawaiian ballot and conceal from the American people that the DPH had refused to certify him as eligible to be President of the United States.
The Official Certification of Nomination is a document sent by each party’s state and national organization to all other state elections committee before each election. It gives the Chief Elections Officer in each state assurance that candidates seeking to be on their state’s ballot are eligible to serve in the office they seek.
The falsified certification by the DNC’s meant Obama hadn’t provided documented evidence that he was eligible to be President. So, the DNC overrode the decision of the DPH and invented reasons to keep him on the Hawaiian ballot. Democrats claim there was no misconduct by Pelosi and the DNC. But, that doesn’t explain away the fact that the DPH refused to certify Obama, because of his failure to produce the needed document(s). The national party just certified Obama as eligible, ignoring the decision of the DPH. This blatant act of corruption by the National Democrat Party is criminal and treasonous.
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What a bunch of looney tunes.
Yeah! Right! To a few ignorant know nothings maybe!
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@Once-Ler
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Wow. And people say I've got Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I think they might be correct. Hey, it happens. (I was pretty close to that diagnosis myself during the Republican primaries. And I am unashamed to say I didn't vote at all in the 2016 election, because as bad as HRC was, I still could not conscientiously vote for the lesser of two devils. [Never mind that I was relieved to see him beat HRC without my help.])
Well, guess what? I have noticed that now-President Trump is at least a small measure more Presidential than he was during the primaries. So I cut him a fair amount of slack. More to the point: although I am not one of the many TBR members who seem to think Trump is some kind of Orange God, I am persuaded that Trump is a pretty useful guy for America now that he is in the White House. Crazy and crass as he sometimes appears to be, I think he has more guts for the war against the Deep State than almost anyone on the American political scene at this time. And I think we will see him launching a much-needed slash-and-burn campaign against the Deep State before the November elections.)
BTW, I'm guessing that you ignored everything I revealed about Obama and the birthplace controversy. That ain't a swell attitude. Your comment about a "derangement syndrome" is just your way of changing the subject that you ought to be facing honestly.
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@jmyrlefuller
@Elderberry
There are a number of problems with this. For one thing, the Short Form BC that was originally used by Obama to claim that he is a U.S. citizen proves nothing. Even Hawaiian officials admitted this.
When a lot of folks complained that Obama had a long political track record of saying that he was born in Kenya, the Hawaiian officials who were supposed to sign off on Obama's eligibility for the 2008 election did not regard any Short Form Birth Certificate issued in Hawaii as proof of a different birthplace--i.e., Hawaii after all. The Hawaiian officials obviously did not regard any "Short Form BC" as authoritatively belying Obama's earlier "false" claims of Kenyan birth (apparently because they realized that Hawaii's Short Forms are issued without regard to true birthplace). They flatly refused to sign off on Obama's newly claimed natural American citizenship.
As @Elderberry points out--and I also remember the whole mess--Nancy Pelosi intervened to certify personally that Obama was eligible. It was a snarled-up farce on the part of Pelosi and the DNC, an awful legal travesty.
I think this amply demonstrates the point I was making in my post.
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The Hawaiian officials obviously did not regard any "Short Form BC" as authoritatively belying Obama's earlier "false" claims of Kenyan birth (apparently because they realized that Hawaii's Short Forms are issued without regard to true birthplace).
That is not even close to being true. If any state issued birth certificates "without regard to true birthplace" neither the federal government nor any of the other states would recognize them as valid, and that goes for any resident of that state!
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That is not even close to being true. If any state issued birth certificates "without regard to true birthplace" neither the federal government nor any of the other states would recognize them as valid, and that goes for any resident of that state!
Not quite, @jmyrlefuller, for some time, Hawaii did issue Certificates of Live Birth, even if the person was not born in Hawaii, and with that CLB they could get a birth certificate.
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That is not even close to being true. If any state issued birth certificates "without regard to true birthplace" neither the federal government nor any of the other states would recognize them as valid, and that goes for any resident of that state!
I can understand your incredulity. It turns out that Hawaii's policy is crookedly screwy--radically different from the birth recordkeeping standards of any other State. Their policy is so crazy that I couldn't believe it at first. It turns out that the Long Form BC is recognized as the "more reliable" version of the Hawaiian birth record--which is precisely why Trump demanded to see that version.
The whole thing is crazy. Hawaii is politically crazy. (Remember: Hawaii was almost denied Statehood for this very reason.)
This amazing mess with the Hawaiian records would also explain why the Hawaiian election officials wouldn't certify Obama for the 2018 ballot. They were pretty closed-mouthed about the records debacle, but they flatly refused to certify Obama. You would think that they would be proud to certify a Native Son of Hawaii, but they evidently couldn't find the Long Form BC they needed to see (or maybe they even found one that did document his birthplace in Kenya).
We live in an incredibly corrupt world. Wait and see the further revelations. Some of them will be even worse than the Birth Certificate fraud.
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THIS crap still going on? Talk about flogging a dead horse! The poser already served two terms as president,and is now retired and out of office. What do you people plan to do now,reverse history so it never happened?
And finally,his mother was a US citizens,so HE is a US citizen.
Or are some of you now claiming she was from Venus?
All the crap we have to worry about and try to fight,and you people are still whining over a done deal that is history that will NEVER be changed?
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THIS crap still going on? Talk about flogging a dead horse! The poser already served two terms as president,and is now retired and out of office. What do you people plan to do now,reverse history so it never happened?
And finally,his mother was a US citizens,so HE is a US citizen.
Or are some of you now claiming she was from Venus?
All the crap we have to worry about and try to fight,and you people are still whining over a done deal that is history that will NEVER be changed?
Nope, under the laws at the time she wasn't old enough to confer citizenship and it would have defaulted to his father's.
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Nope, under the laws at the time she wasn't old enough to confer citizenship and it would have defaulted to his father's.
@Sanguine
Ok,that still makes him a citizen because his father,Frank Marshall Davis, was also an American citizen.
Compare a photo of Davis in his 30's or 40's to a photo of Obama in his 30's or 40's,and they are practically twins.
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@Sanguine
Ok,that still makes him a citizen because his father,Frank Marshall Davis, was also an American citizen.
Compare a photo of Davis in his 30's or 40's to a photo of Obama in his 30's or 40's,and they are practically twins.
Unfortunately for that storyline, Barack, Sr. was named as his father.
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Anyone could get a Hawaiian birth certificate.
The founding father of the Republic of China, Dr. Sun Yat-sen gained US citizenship thru a Hawaiian birth certificate.
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/4419/Sun-Yat-Sen-Hawaii-Birth-Certificate-causes-Trouble-in-Taipei.aspx (http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/4419/Sun-Yat-Sen-Hawaii-Birth-Certificate-causes-Trouble-in-Taipei.aspx)
The United States may have a document to show that Dr. Sun Yat-sen, the founding father of the Republic of China, had U.S. citizenship, but his birth in China's Guangdong Province remains an undisputable truth, an official from the ruling Kuomintang (KMT) said yesterday.
His Hawaiian birth certificate was an expedient measure taken when he was in the thick of the revolution to overthrow the Ching Dynasty, Shao Ming-huang, curator of the KMT Historical Archive, said yesterday.
According to a spokeswoman for the American Institute in Taiwan (AIT), Sun Yat-sen was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, as attested by a 1904 official U.S. immigration document.
The fate of the revolution was in the balance in 1904, a decade after Sun's founding of the Revive China Society (興ä¸æœƒ), when some overseas Chinese leaders suggested to him he had better obtain U.S. citizenship if he wanted to move about freely and to continue seeking support for his revolution in the United States, Shao said.
Sun was then a wanted man in China and was harassed by royalists in the United States, he added.
Some overseas Chinese leaders and Sun's relatives in San Francisco worked together to help Sun secure a Hawaiian birth certificate and, subsequently, a U.S. citizenship, Shao continued.
“This is of course an expedient measure adopted in the interest of the revolution. As such, it cannot change the fact that he was born in Tsui-heng Vilage (ç¿ äº¨æ‘),†Shao was quoted as saying.
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That's great info, @Elderberry! Interesting - they were thinking ahead that US citizenship may be beneficial in the future? :pondering:
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Unfortunately for that storyline, Barack, Sr. was named as his father.
@Sanguine
So what? Barack Sr needed a US wife to remain in America to finish school,and Davis was a know communist revolutionary that IF I remember correctly,was already married. Not that it would have mattered because any DECLARED child of his had no future in US politics due to him being a dedicated communist and child molester. These were people that tended to think generational changes of power,and it was important the baby had a "clean" back story.
Hell,nobody is even talking today about his grandmother and grandfather being Soviet agents.
Barack Sr divorced her after getting into grad school,and took another white wife back home to Africa with him when he left. All the boy represented to him was a ticket to remain in the US.
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@Sanguine
So what? Barack Sr needed a US wife to remain in America to finish school,and Davis was a know communist revolutionary that IF I remember correctly,was already married. Not that it would have mattered because any DECLARED child of his had no future in US politics due to him being a dedicated communist and child molester. These were people that tended to think generational changes of power,and it was important the baby had a "clean" back story.
Hell,nobody is even talking today about his grandmother and grandfather being Soviet agents.
Barack Sr divorced her after getting into grad school,and took another white wife back home to Africa with him when he left. All the boy represented to him was a ticket to remain in the US.
But, what does that have to do with his citizenship? Back them, whoever was on the BC was the dad. Frank Marshall Davis was irrelevant as far as this went. And - it didn't matter as long as Barack Jr. had an Hawaiian birth cert.
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@Sanguine
@sneakypete
@Elderberry
@Bigun
@Smokin Joe
Nope, under the laws at the time she wasn't old enough to confer citizenship and it would have defaulted to his father's.
Right again. The federal statute said that the mom's American citizenship would not convey to the child unless she had resided in the USA for at least five years after her fourteenth birthday. Stanley Dunham was only eighteen when Obama was born. This fact legally knocked him out of American citizenship. (His dad was not an American citizen, of course.)
I have often thought that this might have been a sore spot for Obama. He might have tried to flip the disappointment of non-eligibility for his mother's citizenship (an inarguably precious commodity) into a hyped-up source of perverse African pride during his early years. According to a schoolmate who was willing to give an interview, Obama bragged about being from Kenya, occasionally even claiming that he was the son of an African prince.
It also occurs to me that such hype is pretty hollow when one considers that most folks in wealth-compromised Africa would seem to prefer living in bountiful America.
Claiming to be born of African nobility might impress American kids who might otherwise assume that Obama was born in the stereotypical mud hut, but the deception would just get hollower and hollower in Obama's soul. And the worst thing about hollow hype is that it eventually calls for substantial reinforcement in the soul, I think. If that is the case, I would assume that Obama's angst of non-American citizenship and hollow hype would gradually revamp his emphasis of merely hyping Africa into depreciating America pretty vigorously at the same time. I believe Obama was at some level "sincere" in a foul self-deception wherein he was trying to make Africa out to be more noble than America--and it surely it suited him to work from both ridiculous ends. (When Obama became POTUS, this farcical effort showed over and over in his simultaneous protestations of love for Kenya and maligning of America.)
Extrapolating just a bit, if Obama ever had a dream of becoming a naturalized American, he understandably lost enthusiasm for that scenario. And once Super-Communist Frank Marshall Davis handed teenaged Obama a mission of attacking America by pursuing politics, I would guess that genuine American citizenship held no appeal whatsoever. (Naturalization need not come up, because it could be finessed in the political world--a world of fraud, of course.)
The White House itself did not come onto the table of conspiratorial opportunity until much later, of course, and the opportunity was too momentous to pass up. Obama had to begin re-writing his legend after he rose in Illinois politics and even learned (with the encouragement of Ayers and other folks traceable to Davis's old but still thriving Chicago network) that he had a meaningful shot at a seat in the U.S. Senate.
Re-writing his life story with the help of numerous expert liars, Obama was able to confuse and even intimidate pundits like Limbaugh and Levin. They assumed that Obama had been lying earlier in life for reasons of getting scholarships through a birthplace fraud (i.e., not really born in Kenya) and later posing as a politically exotic commodity, i.e., a truly AFRICAN African-American.
The irony is that Rush and Mark and many, many others never had the guts to work through and figure out the legerdemain of Obama's sundry lies. As I said earlier, Obama is not an African-American of any sort. He is merely an African.
(And yeah, I do suspect that the century-old Luo seer's prophecy did fit somewhere into Obama's grandiose dreaming.)
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IMO, Obama getting to be POTUS for eight years emboldened the Left.
By the Congress and Justice Department being cowed/castrated by Obama's skin tone, they completely ignored the high crimes of that Administration.
There's no way a candidate for President's past should be allowed to remain a mystery to most people. And yet, nobody ever saw him or heard of him at Columbia university.
All along, they thought ...if it worked for a black man, it'll be a snap for a woman...especially a 'Clinton'.
If they would have gone strictly by the book...his ass would STILL be in jail. 'Burning' American cities be damned!
Good comment. Of course you are correct. Why can't we talk about failed, fake, fraud ex-president obama, who still flies around on his A/F one, using up our tax dollars, going to Europe, at the same time President Trump is there? That is undermining my president and meddling in our affairs. He built that 8 million dollar house in DC , to keep helping deep state, in destroying America. If Obama would STFU, we would not need to talk about him. He is still behind the scenes, interfering, he is NOT GONE .
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Sure, there’s (1) the original, long-form 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate. Then there’s:
2) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham)— not found, not released
3) Obama’s baptism records — sealed
4) Obama’s adoption records — sealed
5) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s reptriation as US citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
6) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
7) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii)— not released
8) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released.(These records were, however, subpoenaed but Obama lawyers succeeded in quashing the subpoena in court. No other Occi records have been released.)
10) Columbia College records — not released
11) Columbia senior thesis — not released
12) Harvard Law School records (not mentioned below, but not released)
13) Obama’s law client list — sealed
14) Obama’s files from career as an Illinois State Senator — sealed
15) Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
16) Obama’s medical records — not released
17) Obama’s passport records — not released
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Good comment. Of course you are correct. Why can't we talk about failed, fake, fraud ex-president obama, who still flies around on his A/F one, using up our tax dollars, going to Europe, at the same time President Trump is there? That is undermining my president and meddling in our affairs. He built that 8 million dollar house in DC , to keep helping deep state, in destroying America. If Obama would STFU, we would not need to talk about him. He is still behind the scenes, interfering, he is NOT GONE .
We can't talk about the failed, fake, fraud ex-president Obama @LegalAmerican cause there's still some NT'ers out that need to be burned at the stake for their 'impurities'.
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I forgot about the claim by Birther Joe.
No claim,,fact. Even a book by obama says, born in Kenya, and they are all so proud! Then he says it, In Kenya and manchells on video. It seems this site is protected from truth. So much information on this. That is why obama sued Joe on trumped up charge.
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@The Ghost
So what? It is indistinguishable from the Bush and the Clinton stink.
Obomber can't run for president again,so he isn't much of a threat anymore.
Guess again. He is still working in D.C. and undermining everything my president does. Some want him to be our first dictator of America. Most on here who bash my president Trump, have no clue what they are doing. The, NBP, ACLU, SPL, BLM, ANTI-FA, want him back in office. He, Soros,CLINTOONS, all pay for RIOTS, MEDIA LIES, AND COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA.
Some on here, believe the daily lies about Trump, 24/7,,,,
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The States elected Obama. Nothing unconstitutional about it. If you believe your State should not have qualified Obama as a legitimate candidate, then you should have taken that up with your State long before either of the elections.
Wrong. Voter fraud is what put this imposter in office! Not we the people . The dead voted, illegals and others voted many times! i.e. lets say, there are 100 people in a town. Well, 150 voted. This happened all over the states. Then Obama had SOROS as his supporter, and they shipped the votes, to be counted on SPAIN, by a company partly owned by SOROS. No American received that job, SPAIN GOT PAID.
Total voter fraud! I'll give you that 98% of the 14 % of black people voted for SKIN. THAT IS CALLED RACISM.
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Because no court has ever found any substantial cause to do so.
He has a birth certificate. The state of Hawaii says it is valid. That is as much evidence as any of us have of being U.S. citizens. Unless they have some sort of credible proof that the state of Hawaii acted in bad faith, we're wasting our time on this.
Sorry, everything you posted is wrong. We have all kind of facts. Have you not been aware, we have a SWAMP in our congress,S. C.? FBI, CIA ? Hawaii said they 'lost' his original B.C. Abercrombie, I believe, was his name. Dr.,,, oh heck,,google ! Ukulele, " lee"
signed the B.C. It is a fake. Font and type not yet created in 1961, superimposed B.C. Calling him African American on BC. Back then it would have said, colored. Obama has no legit social security number. It is from Conn. He never lived there. So many phony items. GOOGLE.
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Good job, Doc,,,even that you did not vote for the CORRECT person. lol.
I support president Trump 100%, and I don't think he is a god. I think a lot of men are jealous of Trump. It is the male ego.
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Just food for thought. The real Russian connection besides Hillary.
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The First Time I Heard Of Barack
By Tom Fife
11-20-8
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.
As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:
"You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it."
The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.
"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."
The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.
"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."
"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That's right, a chocolate baby! And he's going to be your President."
She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.
So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.
Tom Fife
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So it's not all Binary after all, even Trumpers have a choice.
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Should Trump Ask Brennan about Obama’s Birth Certificate?
https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/15/should-trump-ask-brennan-about-obamas-birth-certificate/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/15/should-trump-ask-brennan-about-obamas-birth-certificate/)
But what would Brennan say if he were asked about the “long-form†birth certificate image posted in 2011 at whitehouse.gov which a five-year criminal investigation found to be a “computer-generated forgery?â€
According to lead investigator Mike Zullo, the findings ultimately caused him to conclude that “all roads lead back to John Brennan.â€
Despite Zullo’s very public discoveries announced at three press conferences over the life of the investigation, the U.S. intelligence community, of which Brennan was an integral part, never launched a probe into how a fraudulent government document was uploaded to the White House website on April 27, 2011 “with the intent to deceive,†according to Zullo.
In a radio broadcast earlier this summer, Zullo said that he has personal knowledge that although he no longer publicly discusses it, Trump, the first public figure to raise Americans’ awareness of the questions surrounding Barack Obama’s presidential eligibility in 2011, has not forgotten about the issue.
But what if Trump were to ask Brennan what he knew, when he knew it, and whether or not the CIA played a role in uploading the forgery? Would Brennan maintain his bold, “relentless†stance or suddenly find himself at a loss for words?
And while he’s at it, perhaps Trump should ask Brennan about the 2008 “breach†of Obama’s passport records. After all, at the time, Brennan was CEO of The Analysis Corporation, whose employee reportedly accessed the file within the State Department.
“Why?†Trump could ask Brennan.
According to The Washington Post on Wednesday, a presidential historian and unnamed “security experts†called Trump’s revocation of the security clearance “unprecedented.†But then again, so is a forgery presented as an official government document on behalf of a sitting president to an unsuspecting and duped American electorate.
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We can't talk about the failed, fake, fraud ex-president Obama @LegalAmerican cause there's still some NT'ers out that need to be burned at the stake for their 'impurities'.
@corbe
Get over yourself. You people are only that important in your own minds.
It's a waste of time to talk about Obomber because he has already left office and you can't unring a bell,and because we need to focus our energy on people like Tim Kaine,McAuliffe,Hillary,and various and assorted fellow-travelers.
People like you will never be happy or accomplish anything because you are so focused on the past you don't have the time or energy to do anything about the present. Either that,or you just don't care about the present and the future. Not that it matters. Either way you are irrelevant.
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Guess again. He is still working in D.C. and undermining everything my president does. Some want him to be our first dictator of America. Most on here who bash my president Trump, have no clue what they are doing. The, NBP, ACLU, SPL, BLM, ANTI-FA, want him back in office. He, Soros,CLINTOONS, all pay for RIOTS, MEDIA LIES, AND COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA.
Some on here, believe the daily lies about Trump, 24/7,,,,
@LegalAmerican
Obomber has noting to do with Trump,and has no real power to influence anybody not already in the bag for him. The Clintons are more of a danger than he is,and truth to tell,I seriously doubt the Clinton's even bother Trump. He does and says what he wants to do or say and just doesn't care what anyone else says or thinks about him.
If you want to do the nation a favor,focus on the Clintons and their running dawgs like Kaine and McAuliffe,all of whom are backing the white anarchists that are rioting because "Communism 101" states "the surest way to gain power is to create chaos."
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No claim,,fact. Even a book by obama says, born in Kenya, and they are all so proud! Then he says it, In Kenya and manchells on video. It seems this site is protected from truth. So much information on this. That is why obama sued Joe on trumped up charge.
Sure it is, just like the tooth fairy.
I thought that it might be at one time, then I wized up.
It was well over a year ago the Joe Arpiao was going to Washington and was going release this information"Any day now".
His definition of "any day" and mine are years apart.
That's why I joke and say he must be taking it by Wagon Train, because it hasn't managed to find its way there yet.
I'll say this:
Everyone who is convinced of this, and claims the truth is out there, Like Scully and Mulder, I have a couple of questions:
What is taking Sheriff Joe, Orly, Apuzzo, etc., so long to release this?
What are they waiting for?
Don't tell me the midterms, because that would be B.S.
With the Trump Clinton race so tight, that would have been the time to release it, but, no.
Are they scared?
Of what?
Not very patriotic, if the are.
There's no "Give me Liberty or Give Me Death" in this crowd.
Wimps?
Maybe.
They just don't have the goods.
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Sheriff Joe and Mike Zullo are late comers. Most of their information was presented in their videos. Orly, Mario, Leo, Phillip and many more lawyers have filed many state and federal suits as well as primary ballot challenges. Orly mailed an information package to every legislator in the House and Senate.
Just take a look. Most of the challenges are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation)
They have the goods. The system is totally corrupt.
No one should of had to prove Obama was ineligible. Obama should of had to prove he was.
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Sheriff Joe and Mike Zullo are late comers. Most of their information was presented in their videos. Orly, Mario, Leo, Phillip and many more lawyers have filed many state and federal suits as well as primary ballot challenges. Orly mailed an information package to every legislator in the House and Senate.
Just take a look. Most of the challenges are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation)
They have the goods. The system is totally corrupt.
No one should of had to prove Obama was ineligible. Obama should of had to prove he was.
Halalujah! and :amen:
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Sheriff Joe and Mike Zullo are late comers. Most of their information was presented in their videos. Orly, Mario, Leo, Phillip and many more lawyers have filed many state and federal suits as well as primary ballot challenges. Orly mailed an information package to every legislator in the House and Senate.
Just take a look. Most of the challenges are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation)
They have the goods. The system is totally corrupt.
No one should of had to prove Obama was ineligible. Obama should of had to prove he was.
I was a member of TOS when the story broke, and the detailed explanation of Birth Certificate forgery.
I was intrigued.
I used to look forward to the different post.
I just find it hard to believe that there is not one judge out there who would not hear this case if the evidence, is indeed, fact.
There has got to be at least one, but 10 years in now, there isn't one to be found?
The odds are that you would find at least one.
I will take a second look at it, and what is on the link you've provided.
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I was a member of TOS when the story broke, and the detailed explanation of Birth Certificate forgery.
I was intrigued.
I used to look forward to the different post.
I just find it hard to believe that there is not one judge out there who would not hear this case if the evidence, is indeed, fact.
There has got to be at least one, but 10 years in now, there isn't one to be found?
The odds are that you would fine at least one.
I will take a second look at it, and what you is on the link you've provided.
@GrouchoTex
You really don't need to look at anything other than the last line of the post you quoted!
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@GrouchoTex
You really don't need to look at anything other than the last line of the post you quoted!
Well, yeah, I'd like to think that was mandatory.
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@corbe
Get over yourself. You people are only that important in your own minds.
It's a waste of time to talk about Obomber because he has already left office and you can't unring a bell,and because we need to focus our energy on people like Tim Kaine,McAuliffe,Hillary,and various and assorted fellow-travelers.
People like you will never be happy or accomplish anything because you are so focused on the past you don't have the time or energy to do anything about the present. Either that,or you just don't care about the present and the future. Not that it matters. Either way you are irrelevant.
I can't agree with you about Obama. I know he's not in office anymore but he has not 'gone away.'
He's still plotting to destroy America both outwardly and by his influence on the swamp creatures he put in various positions of power.
We need to bring out the truth about Obama if we possibly can. I want everyone to know what a total fraud he was.
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We can't talk about the failed, fake, fraud ex-president Obama @LegalAmerican cause there's still some NT'ers out that need to be burned at the stake for their 'impurities'.
So bitter @corbe. I had to go back 2 pages to find the comment that infuriated @sneakypete but it was typically 'corbe.'
I think your problem is that, while part of you wants to be fair and recognizes that Trump has done some good things, the other part is far more sympathetic to the NTers here.
Out of context but I will not forgive you easily for lumping me in with the Ghost as an abuser of Victoria33. She despises me but I still came to her defense against Ghost and you made me a co-conspirator.
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I can't agree with you about Obama. I know he's not in office anymore but he has not 'gone away.'
He's still plotting to destroy America both outwardly and by his influence on the swamp creatures he put in various positions of power.
We need to bring out the truth about Obama if we possibly can. I want everyone to know what a total fraud he was.
Un ring a bell?
Probably not.
But his name can be erased from all the obelisks.
For real.
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Sure it is, just like the tooth fairy.
I thought that it might be at one time, then I wized up.
It was well over a year ago the Joe Arpiao was going to Washington and was going release this information"Any day now".
His definition of "any day" and mine are years apart.
That's why I joke and say he must be taking it by Wagon Train, because it hasn't managed to find its way there yet.
I'll say this:
Everyone who is convinced of this, and claims the truth is out there, Like Scully and Mulder, I have a couple of questions:
What is taking Sheriff Joe, Orly, Apuzzo, etc., so long to release this?
What are they waiting for?
Don't tell me the midterms, because that would be B.S.
With the Trump Clinton race so tight, that would have been the time to release it, but, no.
Are they scared?
Of what?
Not very patriotic, if the are.
There's no "Give me Liberty or Give Me Death" in this crowd.
Wimps?
Maybe.
They just don't have the goods.
Oh, but they do have lots of "goods," Grouch. (LOL)
If you followed this mess as carefully as I have over the years, you will remember that Arpaio and Zullo held more than one well-attended press conference in which they publicly released evidence of a birthplace fraud by Obama. You should also remember from the videos of the press conferences (which videos I assume you watched) that the evidence presented by Zullo included some pretty serious stuff.
With those realities as a context, I believe that the most important thing that you should also recall is that these pressers got ZERO news coverage. That's UNCANNY, my friend Groucho. It was arguably the most vicious case of media STONEWALLING in American history. You surely noticed that--only to have forgotten it more recently in your understandable frustration, I guess. (In other words, your own odyssey is proof that conspiratorial stonewalling tends to work very well indeed.)
Concurrently with the media stonewalling, you should also recall that Arpaio sent transcripts and supporting documentation to everyone in Congress. Even that step could not find a weak spot in the WALL. The cowardice that you assigned to Arpaio and Taitz was actually a conspiracy of COWARDS IN WASHINGTON. Congress flatly refused to follow up on serious evidence; they let the media stonewalling provide cover for their cowardice. You have failed to connect those dots--at least not in an appropriately solid way.
By the way, the FBI was a big part of the conspiracy; after all, it was OBAMA'S FBI. As recent events have proven beyond the shadow of any doubt, the top officials of Obama's FBI were SOCIALIST CROOKS. Surely you have noticed that. (Again, connect the "highly suggestive" dots. It's not a bad idea. Heck, it's the right idea. In fact, it's necessary under the swampy circumstances.)
My bottom-line point is that the Birthers have been elucidating one of the most audacious and dangerous conspiracies ever implemented against our Republic. I don't think you followed the overall mess carefully enough to let that sink in--and stay in. Like so many other folks who initially thought that there might be something to the Birthers' claims, you eventually wound up concluding from the succession of revelatory failures that you were mistaken about that.
Again, I get that. However, I respectfully submit that you have gotten fooled by the walls of the conspiracy. Most of the lawsuits by Taitz et al, were thrown out on technicalities of "legal standing. A couple of the cases were quickly dismissed due to courtroom errors by a brave but less-than-experienced attorney, Dr. Orly Taitz. And some of the cases were thrown out by judges who were probably just plain bent in favor of Obama--or perhaps even scared of Obama. The validity of the Long Form BC cobbled together in a decidedly non-timely response to Trump's demand a few years ago has never been adjudicated. This is a terrible travesty. The overall legend of Obama's life story is horribly phony, and the Birth Certficate forgery is the lynchpin of the investigation that has been ignored by almost everyone.
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I do recall Arpaio's Lt. Mike Zullo making a promise that he wound up not keeping a couple of years ago, after having promised that "universe-shattering evidence" would be released soon. It didn't happen as he promised, to be sure, but he did make a careful revelation last year of some of that very evidence. It turns out that one of the world's leading documents firms have proven that the famous Long Form Birth Certificate was a forgery. They have shown precisely how the document was built from another person's BC in the Hawaiian archives.
Most "shattering" of all, perhaps, an internet trail strongly suggests that the CIA was somehow involved in the production of the forgery. (That is especially interesting at this time considering the recent buzz from other sources that Trump needs to have John Brennan investigated concerning the forged Birth Certificate.)
I don't know why the latest disclosures by Zullo were so long delayed. But releasing the info during the 2016 would not clearly have helped Trump beat Hillary. I suspect it probably would have distracted the public from serious attention to Hillary's crimes.
Anyway, Zullo's promise came at a bad time for Arpaio in ways that might not be comprehensible; for another thing, Zullo may have stumbled onto other evidence that dictated a need for special investigative caution. Furthermore, and probably most important of all, Zullo insinuated last year that it was critically important for the Deep State to be drained quite a lot before any more aggressive public action could be taken. (Evidently, he was waiting for Trump to clean up the FBI, the CIA, and the DOJ. Perhaps he even believed that it would be necessary to let the 2018 elections clean up Congress, too. Probably at least half of our Congress critters are either crooks or victims of Deep State extortion. An unprecedented number have resigned or declined to run for re-election since Trump took office.)
I recommend that you re-think your grouchiness (ha!) and get back on board with the Birthers. The Birthers, especially the Texas Birthers, it seems, are correct. (Please read my earlier posts, as well as @Sanguine's and @Elderberry 's.)
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I can't agree with you about Obama. I know he's not in office anymore but he has not 'gone away.'
He's still plotting to destroy America both outwardly and by his influence on the swamp creatures he put in various positions of power.
We need to bring out the truth about Obama if we possibly can. I want everyone to know what a total fraud he was.
Attaboy, @Emjay.
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@corbe
Get over yourself. You people are only that important in your own minds.
It's a waste of time to talk about Obomber because he has already left office and you can't unring a bell,and because we need to focus our energy on people like Tim Kaine,McAuliffe,Hillary,and various and assorted fellow-travelers.
People like you will never be happy or accomplish anything because you are so focused on the past you don't have the time or energy to do anything about the present. Either that,or you just don't care about the present and the future. Not that it matters. Either way you are irrelevant.
Well you do know that President Trump was the leader of the birther movement against Barack don't you? What do you think about Trump now wanting new investigation into Hillary? If you can't go back and unring the bell. I think you could if it could be proven Obama was illegitimate. Everything he did was illegitimate.
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Well you do know that President Trump was the leader of the birther movement against Barack don't you? What do you think about Trump now wanting new investigation into Hillary? If you can't go back and unring the bell. I think you could if it could be proven Obama was illegitimate. Everything he did was illegitimate.
It will be a big mess to untangle the legal mess of illegal appointments and illegal executive orders and illegal legislations, but we definitely need to slog through the whole mess.
Besides, we need to mete out retributive justice against Obama and everyone else who was complicit in every facet of the overall conspiracy to ruin our Republic--the birthplace fraud necessarily included.
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Just food for thought. The real Russian connection besides Hillary.
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The First Time I Heard Of Barack
By Tom Fife
11-20-8
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.
As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:
"You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it."
The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.
"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."
The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.
"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."
"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That's right, a chocolate baby! And he's going to be your President."
She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.
So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.
Tom Fife
I believe it. He was partially raised by grandparent who lived on Mercer Island and attended the church they called "little red church on the hill". Communist.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/12/obama_from_unitarian_to_libera_1.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/12/obama_from_unitarian_to_libera_1.html)
His mother was groomed by communist professors. He was definitely groomed Communist.
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It will be a big mess to untangle the legal mess of illegal appointments and illegal executive orders and illegal legislations, but we definitely need to slog through the whole mess.
Besides, we need to mete out retributive justice against Obama and everyone else who was complicit in every facet of the overall conspiracy to ruin our Republic--the birthplace fraud necessarily included.
If he was illegitimate it should be done.
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I was a member of TOS when the story broke, and the detailed explanation of Birth Certificate forgery.
I was intrigued.
I used to look forward to the different post.
I just find it hard to believe that there is not one judge out there who would not hear this case if the evidence, is indeed, fact.
There has got to be at least one, but 10 years in now, there isn't one to be found?
The odds are that you would find at least one.
I will take a second look at it, and what is on the link you've provided.
Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/barack-obama-half-brother-malik-kenya-birth-certificate-tweet-donald-trump-supporter-a7622346.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/barack-obama-half-brother-malik-kenya-birth-certificate-tweet-donald-trump-supporter-a7622346.html)
If you could understand Kenyan you might hear what his grandmother said about him. Trump said that she proclaimed Obama was born in Kenya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEbKd0DbBbw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEbKd0DbBbw)
I honestly believe he was. They say he is Kenya’s son.
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Just food for thought. The real Russian connection besides Hillary.
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The First Time I Heard Of Barack
By Tom Fife
11-20-8
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.
As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:
"You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it."
The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.
"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."
The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.
"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."
"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That's right, a chocolate baby! And he's going to be your President."
She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.
So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.
Tom Fife
@LegalAmerican
Where did you find this? I don't doubt a word of it and would like to know the source.
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@LegalAmerican
Where did you find this? I don't doubt a word of it and would like to know the source.
http://www.americaismyname.org/tom-fife.html (http://www.americaismyname.org/tom-fife.html)
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@LegalAmerican
Where did you find this? I don't doubt a word of it and would like to know the source.
Its all over. this is Google's 1st hit :https://rense.com/general84/brck.htm (https://rense.com/general84/brck.htm)
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@The Ghost @Elderberry
Thanks guys! :beer:
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Oh, but they do have lots of "goods," Grouch. (LOL)
If you followed this mess as carefully as I have over the years, you will remember that Arpaio and Zullo held more than one well-attended press conference in which they publicly released evidence of a birthplace fraud by Obama. You should also remember from the videos of the press conferences (which videos I assume you watched) that the evidence presented by Zullo included some pretty serious stuff.
With those realities as a context, I believe that the most important thing that you should also recall is that these pressers got ZERO news coverage. That's UNCANNY, my friend Groucho. It was arguably the most vicious case of media STONEWALLING in American history. You surely noticed that--only to have forgotten it more recently in your understandable frustration, I guess. (In other words, your own odyssey is proof that conspiratorial stonewalling tends to work very well indeed.)
Concurrently with the media stonewalling, you should also recall that Arpaio sent transcripts and supporting documentation to everyone in Congress. Even that step could not find a weak spot in the WALL. The cowardice that you assigned to Arpaio and Taitz was actually a conspiracy of COWARDS IN WASHINGTON. Congress flatly refused to follow up on serious evidence; they let the media stonewalling provide cover for their cowardice. You have failed to connect those dots--at least not in an appropriately solid way.
By the way, the FBI was a big part of the conspiracy; after all, it was OBAMA'S FBI. As recent events have proven beyond the shadow of any doubt, the top officials of Obama's FBI were SOCIALIST CROOKS. Surely you have noticed that. (Again, connect the "highly suggestive" dots. It's not a bad idea. Heck, it's the right idea. In fact, it's necessary under the swampy circumstances.)
My bottom-line point is that the Birthers have been elucidating one of the most audacious and dangerous conspiracies ever implemented against our Republic. I don't think you followed the overall mess carefully enough to let that sink in--and stay in. Like so many other folks who initially thought that there might be something to the Birthers' claims, you eventually wound up concluding from the succession of revelatory failures that you were mistaken about that.
Again, I get that. However, I respectfully submit that you have gotten fooled by the walls of the conspiracy. Most of the lawsuits by Taitz et al, were thrown out on technicalities of "legal standing. A couple of the cases were quickly dismissed due to courtroom errors by a brave but less-than-experienced attorney, Dr. Orly Taitz. And some of the cases were thrown out by judges who were probably just plain bent in favor of Obama--or perhaps even scared of Obama. The validity of the Long Form BC cobbled together in a decidedly non-timely response to Trump's demand a few years ago has never been adjudicated. This is a terrible travesty. The overall legend of Obama's life story is horribly phony, and the Birth Certficate forgery is the lynchpin of the investigation that has been ignored by almost everyone.
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I do recall Arpaio's Lt. Mike Zullo making a promise that he wound up not keeping a couple of years ago, after having promised that "universe-shattering evidence" would be released soon. It didn't happen as he promised, to be sure, but he did make a careful revelation last year of some of that very evidence. It turns out that one of the world's leading documents firms have proven that the famous Long Form Birth Certificate was a forgery. They have shown precisely how the document was built from another person's BC in the Hawaiian archives.
Most "shattering" of all, perhaps, an internet trail strongly suggests that the CIA was somehow involved in the production of the forgery. (That is especially interesting at this time considering the recent buzz from other sources that Trump needs to have John Brennan investigated concerning the forged Birth Certificate.)
I don't know why the latest disclosures by Zullo were so long delayed. But releasing the info during the 2016 would not clearly have helped Trump beat Hillary. I suspect it probably would have distracted the public from serious attention to Hillary's crimes.
Anyway, Zullo's promise came at a bad time for Arpaio in ways that might not be comprehensible; for another thing, Zullo may have stumbled onto other evidence that dictated a need for special investigative caution. Furthermore, and probably most important of all, Zullo insinuated last year that it was critically important for the Deep State to be drained quite a lot before any more aggressive public action could be taken. (Evidently, he was waiting for Trump to clean up the FBI, the CIA, and the DOJ. Perhaps he even believed that it would be necessary to let 2018 elections to clean up Congress, too. Probably at least half of our Congress critters are either crooks or victims of Deep State extortion. An unprecedented number have resigned or declined to run for re-election since Trump took office.)
I recommend that you re-think your grouchiness (ha!) and get back on board with the Birthers. The Birthers, especially the Texas Birthers, it seems, are correct. (Please read my earlier posts, as well as @Sanguine's and @Elderberry 's.)
I'm willing to take another look.
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I'm willing to take another look.
I'm not at all surprised at your courteous, thoughtful response, because I have long regarded you as a fine Son of Texas. (Puh-leez don't tell me you were actually born in Africa!)
As an important aside, I don't insist that you become a dogmatic, flaming Birther. And I don't expect you to do anything in a hurry. Besides, I honestly don't think any of us will have too long to wait before everything about Obama becomes clear as a bell.
Obama is a truly amazing con man serving on point for the most massive, heavily-funded, shrewdly staffed, and virulently anti-American conspiracy in history. In short, the whole thing is almost too bad to be true.
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I'm not at all surprised at your courteous, thoughtful response, because I have long regarded you as a fine Son of Texas. (Puh-leez don't tell me you were actually born in Africa!)
As an important aside, I don't insist that you become a dogmatic, flaming Birther. And I don't expect you to do anything in a hurry. Besides, I honestly don't think any of us will have too long to wait before everything about Obama becomes clear as a bell.
Obama is a truly amazing con man serving on point for the most massive, heavily-funded, shrewdly staffed, and virulently anti-American conspiracy in history. In short, the whole thing is almost too bad to be true.
I appreciate that.
I guess I should have "Patience, Grasshopper".
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I appreciate that.
I guess I should have "Patience, Grasshopper".
LOL.
(P.S. I love your avatar.)
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LOL.
(P.S. I love your avatar.)
Thanks, and thanks to @Oceander , who jazzed it up a bit for me.
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LOL.
(P.S. I love your avatar.)
doc,
You ought to think about getting one yourself. An avatar that is.
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LOL.
(P.S. I love your avatar.)
For non-Texans following this thread, GrouchoTex's avatar is the flag used by the Texians in the Battle of Gonzales, 10/2/1835--the so-called "Lexington of the Texas Revolution." The flag was made from a lady's white wedding dress.
(Both the American Revolution's Battle of Lexington and Concord and the Texas Revolution's Battle of Gonzales involved colonists blocking a gun-grabbing attempt by the government. Both battles are regarded as the very first battles of their respective revolutions.)
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doc,
You ought to think about getting one yourself. An avatar that is.
I'm still thinking about it. (Ha!)
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For non-Texans following this thread, GrouchoTex's avatar is the flag used by the Texians in the Battle of Gonzales, 10/2/1835--the so-called "Lexington of the Texas Revolution." The flag was made from a lady's white wedding dress.
(Both the American Revolution's Battle of Lexington and Concord and the Texas Revolution's Battle of Gonzales involved colonists blocking a gun-grabbing attempt by the government. Both battles are regarded as the very first battles of their respective revolutions.)
The town of Gonzales has an annual "come and take it" festival every year.
Fun times.
I love going to those small town festivals, and there are a lot of them here in Texas.
I saw a take off on the flag the other day, that cracked me up.
It was blue and orange, the Astros colors.
It had a baseball bat instead of a cannon.
The star was the Astros star, with the "H" in the middle.
Someone was flying it front of their house, between Richmond and Sugar Land.
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The town of Gonzales has an annual "come and take it" festival every year.
Fun times.
I love going to those small town festivals, and there are a lot of them here in Texas.
I saw a take off on the flag the other day, that cracked me up.
It was blue and orange, the Astros colors.
It had a baseball bat instead of a cannon.
The star was the Astros star, with the "H" in the middle.
Someone was flying it front of their house, between Richmond and Sugar Land.
Wow, that's hilarious. I wonder where I could buy an Astros flag like that!
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Wow, that's hilarious. I wonder where I could buy an Astros flag like that!
Yeah, they've also done the lone star flag with the Astros star, but I'm not too sure am a fan of that one.
You can get them both online.
They're not too expensive.
I think I saw the Gonzales flag for $18.00
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I'm late to this thread but it's a subject I find interesting. I tried to catch up though I haven't yet managed to read every post. Has anyone pointed out the overwhelming likelihood that Obama was born in Canada?
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I can't agree with you about Obama. I know he's not in office anymore but he has not 'gone away.'
He's still plotting to destroy America both outwardly and by his influence on the swamp creatures he put in various positions of power.
We need to bring out the truth about Obama if we possibly can. I want everyone to know what a total fraud he was.
Agree. Part of draining the swamp should be the full exposure of the fraud involved in presenting Obama as a natural born US citizen. It won't change anything he did [he was confirmed twice as POTUS, so his actions by law will stand] but it will expose the depth of the lies and corruption that enabled his scam. It needs to see the light of day.
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@LegalAmerican
Where did you find this? I don't doubt a word of it and would like to know the source.
This was out on the net during the first election, if I remember correctly, but it's very hard to attribute. Maybe @LegalAmerican has some more information.
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I'm late to this thread but it's a subject I find interesting. I tried to catch up though I haven't yet managed to read every post. Has anyone pointed out the overwhelming likelihood that Obama was born in Canada?
I looked into the Canada theory, and after following the theory's rather tortuous path, I gave up and went right back where I started: Obama's paternal grandmother stated that he was born in Kenya. She said "I was there when he was born."
A member of the Kenyan Parliament once maintained in an ill-advised public disclosure that Obama is a native-born Kenyan, as did the Kenyan Ambassador shortly after Obama's nomination in 2008. (The Ambassador was immediately recalled to Kenya for a few days, after which he returned to America claiming that he had not said such a thing. [Evidently the Ambassador did not know about the Eligibility Requirements for a U.S. President.])
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Well you do know that President Trump was the leader of the birther movement against Barack don't you? What do you think about Trump now wanting new investigation into Hillary? If you can't go back and unring the bell. I think you could if it could be proven Obama was illegitimate. Everything he did was illegitimate.
@Chosen Daughter
HUH? WTH does that have to do with Obama having already served 8 years as a US President,and nothing anyone does can change that? OBOMBER CAN NOT BE PRESIDENT AGAIN. Bubbette! has never been president,but wants to be and is working at it daily.
How can you or anyone else NOT see and understand the differences between the two when it comes to being a threat to America?
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I looked into the Canada theory, and after following the theory's rather tortuous path, I gave up and went right back where I started: Obama's paternal grandmother stated that he was born in Kenya. She said "I was there when he was born."
A member of the Kenyan Parliament once maintained in an ill-advised public disclosure that Obama is a native-born Kenyan, as did the Kenyan Ambassador shortly after Obama's nomination in 2008. (The Ambassador was immediately recalled to Kenya for a few days, after which he returned to America claiming that he had not said such a thing. [Evidently the Ambassador did not know about the Eligibility Requirements for a U.S. President.])
Obama's step-grandmother actually said she was present at the birth of her stepson, Obama's father. However, you are 100% right about the Kenyan Parliament. That one fact is what kept me believing in the Kenyan birth narrative for [too] many years.
The confusion of the Kenyan Parliament, however, is not difficult to explain. Obama [a known pathological liar] had claimed a Kenyan birth since grade school. Small wonder that so many people who had no reason to doubt him took it as a fact.
Otoh, Kenya and Hawaii share an insurmountable problem. Namely, if Stanley Ann Dunham had lived in either location for a significant portion of her pregnancy, someone would have known about it. To date, no one has stepped forward in either HI or Kenya to verify where SAD lived during her pregnancy or at the time of the birth. She is completely absent, so far as contemporaneous accounts/witnesses go, from both places.
Iow, it is a fact that you cannot visit the house, hut or whatever, in Kenya where SAD is claimed to have lived during her stay there. Likewise there is no domicile in HI marked with a plaque stating it was the abode of Obama's mother when she gave birth. There are no tourist photos or postcards of either landmark, for the simple reason that they do not exist.
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Edit: I should have said that Granny Sarah claimed to have been present at the birth of her FUTURE stepson. Obviously, Obama Sr was not her stepson at the time of his birth. This came about afterwards, when O Sr's mother died, and his father took Granny Sarah as his second wife.
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Agree. Part of draining the swamp should be the full exposure of the fraud involved in presenting Obama as a natural born US citizen. It won't change anything he did [he was confirmed twice as POTUS, so his actions by law will stand] but it will expose the depth of the lies and corruption that enabled his scam. It needs to see the light of day.
Most lawyers that I have run across flatly disagree that his laws, appointments, etc., would be legal and would therefore stand. Obama was illegally certified as eligible and therefore illegally elected. Even the Electoral College's actions in 2008 and 2012 were invalid, because the Electors, who were acting in good faith, were defrauded into certifying Obama's elections to the White House. And under the heinously un-Unconstitutional situation of Obama's swearing-in--as a fraudulent and therefore patently illegal POTUS--his oath-taking was a farce. It was actually and obviously a de facto PERJURY.
Furthermore, perjuring oneself during the Oath constitutes a felony. And I understand that under federal law, EVERY official act that a public official performs during his tenure of office after having given a PERJURED Oath of Office is defined by federal statute as a FELONY.
We could go on and on, but it is clear that Obama had no right to make appointments. He had no right to sign bills into law. His fraudulent occupancy of the Presidency means that no legally proper appointments were made, and no bills were duly signed by a genuine POTUS. If Obama is found guilty of the birthplace fraud, we should immediately void all of Obama's executive orders and cancel all of his false-Presidential appointments---including but not limited to all of "his" federal judges. Furthermore, each Executive Branch agency should pore over all of the regs promulgated under Obama's and Obama's appointees. And we should establish a Congressional committee to sort out what to do with all of the laws that bore Obama's signature.
Yeah, it's a mess. But we need to undo every bit of the damage we can--not pretend that it's all just water under the bridge. There are some things that we will not be able to remediate completely (for example, a lot of decisions in the federal court system), but we should adopt the attitude of "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible will take a little longer."
The libs will freak out. But that's just TOO BAD.
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Obama's step-grandmother actually said she was present at the birth of her stepson, Obama's father.
That was the spin that was offered after the interview was quickly cut short by someone functioning as her handler. The context of her original answer, however, reveals that she obviously knew the interviewer was talking about Obama JR, not Obama SR. (Besides, why would she brag about being present for the birth of her own son?)
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Most lawyers that I have run across flatly disagree that his laws, appointments, etc., would be legal and would therefore stand. Obama was illegally certified as eligible and therefore illegally elected. Even the Electoral College's actions in 2008 and 2012 were invalid, because the Electors, who were acting in good faith, were defrauded into certifying Obama's elections to the White House. And under the heinously un-Unconstitutional situation of Obama's swearing-in--as a fraudulent and therefore patently illegal POTUS--his oath-taking was a farce. It was actually and obviously a de facto PERJURY.
Furthermore, perjuring oneself during the Oath constitutes a felony. And I understand that under federal law, EVERY official act that a public official performs during his tenure of office after having given a PERJURED Oath of Office is defined by federal statute as a FELONY.
We could go on and on, but it is clear that Obama had no right to make appointments. He had no right to sign bills into law. His fraudulent occupancy of the Presidency means that no legally proper appointments were made, and no bills were duly signed by a genuine POTUS. If Obama is found guilty of the birthplace fraud, we should immediately void all of Obama's executive orders and cancel all of his false-Presidential appointments---including but not limited to all of "his" federal judges. Furthermore, each Executive Branch agency should pore over all of the regs promulgated under Obama's and Obama's appointees. And we should establish a Congressional committee to sort out what to do with all of the laws that bore Obama's signature.
Yeah, it's a mess. But we need to undo every bit of the damage we can--not pretend that it's all just water under the bridge. There are some things that we will not be able to remediate completely (for example, a lot of decisions in the federal court system), but we should adopt the attitude of "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible will take a little longer."
The libs will freak out. But that's just TOO BAD.
If it were later established as an incontrovertible fact that Obama had been ineligible, all his acts and appointments would still be legal:
USLegal Home
De Facto Officer Law and Legal Definition
"De Facto Officer refers to an officer holding a colorable right or title to the office accompanied by possession. The lawful acts of an officer de facto, so far as the rights of third persons are concerned, when done within the scope and by the apparent authority of office, are valid and binding.
The de facto officer doctrine confers validity upon acts performed by a person acting under the color of official title even though it is later discovered that the legality of that person’s appointment or election to office is deficient."
https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/de-facto-officer/
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That was the spin that was offered after the interview was quickly cut short by someone functioning as her handler. The context of her original answer, however, reveals that she obviously knew the interviewer was talking about Obama JR, not Obama SR. (Besides, why would she brag about being present for the birth of her own son?)
It is precisely because Obama Sr was NOT Granny Sarah's biological son that she opted to strengthen her maternal bona fides by claiming to have been present at his birth.
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VI. Exceptions to the De Facto Officer Doctrine
Every elected or appointed public official falls into one of three categories:
A de jure officer is one who was placed in office legally and has clear title to the office he is holding.
A de facto officer is one who took office in good faith and is performing the duties and functions of that office, but his title to that office is defective in some way.
A usurper is one who took office, or is holding office, in overt disregard for the law. (Columbia Law Review: De Facto Officer Doctrine).
The official acts of a usurper are null, void, and without legal effect. If the courts were to rule that President Obama is a usurper, all of his appointments, directives, executive orders, and all of the laws he had signed, could be declared invalid.
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If it were later established as an incontrovertible fact that Obama had been ineligible, all his acts and appointments would still be legal:
USLegal Home
De Facto Officer Law and Legal Definition
"De Facto Officer refers to an officer holding a colorable right or title to the office accompanied by possession. The lawful acts of an officer de facto, so far as the rights of third persons are concerned, when done within the scope and by the apparent authority of office, are valid and binding.
It seems to me that the operative phrase is the one in bold face text. If Obama appointed a federal judge, and that judge ruled against a person in a court, that person cannot challenge the ruling on the grounds that the judge was not eligible to be on that bench--i.e., never having been properly appointed to that bench. I'm pretty cool with that.
But even then, I'm not convinced that it applies to the situation of Obama's appointment of the judge himself--because of the caveat referring to lawful acts. And the judge's rights are not at stake so much as the Republic's Constitutionally designed security is.
(It seems to me that the legal doctrine is not very clearly worded.)
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VI. Exceptions to the De Facto Officer Doctrine
Every elected or appointed public official falls into one of three categories:
A de jure officer is one who was placed in office legally and has clear title to the office he is holding.
A de facto officer is one who took office in good faith and is performing the duties and functions of that office, but his title to that office is defective in some way.
A usurper is one who took office, or is holding office, in overt disregard for the law. (Columbia Law Review: De Facto Officer Doctrine).
The official acts of a usurper are null, void, and without legal effect. If the courts were to rule that President Obama is a usurper, all of his appointments, directives, executive orders, and all of the laws he had signed, could be declared invalid.
The courts would defer to the electoral college.
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The official acts of a usurper are null, void, and without legal effect. If the courts were to rule that President Obama is a usurper, all of his appointments, directives, executive orders, and all of the laws he had signed, could be declared invalid.
Thanks, that makes good sense.
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The courts would defer to the electoral college.
Nope. Obama would still be a usurper.
'Nuff said, I think.
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And Obama had been a constitutional law lecturer so he couldn't claim he didn't know he wasn't qualified to run for president.
He was a usurper.
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Nope. Obama would still be a usurper.
'Nuff said, I think.
Per the US Constitution, the candidate receiving the majority of electoral college votes becomes the president. We agree that Obama was ineligible. However, per the law he was a de facto officer whose acts cannot be overturned:
The Heritage Guide to The Constitution
ARTICLE II: EXECUTIVE
Electoral College
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed;
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And Obama had been a constitutional law lecturer so he couldn't claim he didn't know he wasn't qualified to run for president.
He was a usurper.
You have solved a longstanding mystery. Obama claimed to have found an original HI commemorative birth certificate from Kapiolani Hospital, among his mother's effects. He made a big deal out of telling several friends about it, and the account made it into a published book. [If required, I'll hunt it up and link to it.]
Before now, I could never understand that weird and bizarre incident. Why make such a huge affair about finding a 'birth certificate,' that he never made public??
From your post the answer suddenly became clear. Obama was doing a cya. If the facts ever come out, he will point to that incident and insist he honestly and in good faith believed he was born in HI.
The lying liar.
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You have solved a longstanding mystery. Obama claimed to have found an original HI commemorative birth certificate from Kapiolani Hospital, among his mother's effects. He made a big deal out of telling several friends about it, and the account made it into a published book. [If required, I'll hunt it up and link to it.]
Before now, I could never understand that weird and bizarre incident. Why make such a huge affair about finding a 'birth certificate,' that he never made public??
From your post the answer suddenly became clear. Obama was doing a cya. If the facts ever come out, he will point to that incident and insist he honestly and in good faith believed he was born in HI.
The lying liar.
Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
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Per the US Constitution, the candidate receiving the majority of electoral college votes becomes the president. We agree that Obama was ineligible. However, per the law he was a de facto officer whose acts cannot be overturned:
A de facto officer is one who took office in good faith and is performing the duties and functions of that office, but his title to that office is defective in some way.
There is NO WAY that Obama took office in Good Faith, a requirement for the de facto officer doctrine.
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A de facto officer is one who took office in good faith and is performing the duties and functions of that office, but his title to that office is defective in some way.
There is NO WAY that Obama took office in Good Faith, a requirement for the de facto officer doctrine.
He was "acting' in good faith. I have no doubt.
(https://i.imgur.com/M3bQRKL.jpg)
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Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
Actually it was the Dan Pfeiffer book, “Yes We (Still) Can: Politics in the Age of Obama, Twitter, and Trump.â€
Here's the excerpt:
A few weeks later on a fundraising trip to Chicago, Obama spent the night at his home.
“Whenever he was home, often alone, he would root through all his stuff; on this particular trip, he was going through a box and found what he believed was his birth certificate,†Pfeiffer writes. “To this day, it isn’t clear whether he stumbled upon this document or went looking for it. I have always suspected the latter.â€
“Excited about his find,†Obama brought it back to the White House and showed it to White House counsel Bob Bauer.
“Bauer took one look at what Obama had in his hand and knew it wasn’t his actual birth certificate,†Pfeiffer recalls. “Instead the president had found a ceremonial document sold in hospital gift shops. This is the document that families often frame, but you can’t use it to get a passport or debunk a racist conspiracy theory burning up the internet.â€
Obama, though, was undeterred, and directed Bauer and David Plouffe, another senior adviser, to acquire his official, or long form, birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.
“He didn’t commit to releasing it but told Bauer and Plouffe to get it so we had it in our back pocket just in case,†Pfeiffer writes.
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A de facto officer is one who took office in good faith and is performing the duties and functions of that office, but his title to that office is defective in some way.
There is NO WAY that Obama took office in Good Faith, a requirement for the de facto officer doctrine.
We agree. But what we have here is a shameless liar. Obama would point to various actions and pronouncements as evidence that he believed he was born in HI. Then he would cite the electoral college. If they conferred legitimacy upon him, per the US Constitution, Obama would argue that he simply accepted that certification.
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You have solved a longstanding mystery. Obama claimed to have found an original HI commemorative birth certificate from Kapiolani Hospital, among his mother's effects. He made a big deal out of telling several friends about it, and the account made it into a published book. [If required, I'll hunt it up and link to it.]
Before now, I could never understand that weird and bizarre incident. Why make such a huge affair about finding a 'birth certificate,' that he never made public??
From your post the answer suddenly became clear. Obama was doing a cya. If the facts ever come out, he will point to that incident and insist he honestly and in good faith believed he was born in HI.
The lying liar.
You all know this contradicts @LegalAmerican detailed post with the British Commie wife who warned in 92 he was being groomed, etc..
So all this global, Spectre planning and nobody had a birth certificate?
:laugh:
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You all know this contradicts @LegalAmerican detailed post with the British Commie wife who warned in 92 he was being groomed, etc..
So all this global, Spectre planning and nobody had a birth certificate?
:laugh:
They subbed that part out to a Rookie.
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You all know this contradicts @LegalAmerican detailed post with the British Commie wife who warned in 92 he was being groomed, etc..
So all this global, Spectre planning and nobody had a birth certificate?
:laugh:
I couldn't agree more. Obama was a talkative choomer. He seldom showed up for (college) classes and his grades have been kept under lock and key to this day. I.e.: he was a wretched student.
The story of his memoir is simply pathetic. An agent approached him to write a biography entitled Journeys in Black and White. She secured a hefty advance. Obama choomed his way through the bucks without producing a single chapter.
The agent procured a second advance. Rinse and repeat.
At this point Michelle collected all Obama's notes--a trunkfull--and dumped them on Bill Ayers. Ayers knuckled down and produced, Dreams from my Father.
Evidence suggests it was Bill Ayers who first perceived the possibility of Obama as POTUS. Certainly the clean up of Obama's background records dates from that time. But to suggest Obama had been groomed from a much earlier time--no way. His life up until Ayers got hold of him was that of a garrulous pothead. Hardly the result of high level grooming.
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@Elderberry
@Sanguine
Per the US Constitution, the candidate receiving the majority of electoral college votes becomes the president. We agree that Obama was ineligible. However, per the law he was a de facto officer whose acts cannot be overturned.
The Electors were unwittingly eating and pooping out the fruit of a poison tree--i.e., Obama's fraud. Therefore, Obama is the officer we need to be looking at. And Obama is a usurper.
A good Constitutional lawyer will see right through the argument that the Electoral College is some kind of quasi-sacrosanct mechanism for declaring a "valid" winner of the Presidency. The question of Obama's birthplace fraud was never an issue in the Electors' pro forma role.
My goodness, two WRONGS--first Obama's deliberate citizenship fraud against the Electoral College and then the Electoral College's innocent mistake thereunder--do not make a RIGHT.
See #125, 126, 128, 129, and 130. Everything boils down to the fact that Obama is a usurper. We need to remember that Obama CHEATED his way right PAST our beloved Electoral College The De Facto Officer doctrine does not, cannot apply to Obama, as Elderberry's post demonstrates. Perhaps the Electors cannot be held liable as De Facto Officers, but Obama is a usurper, not a curiously lovely, special case of a De Facto Officer.
Besides, as I said in an earlier post, Obama perjured his Oath of Office. Notice that this occurred after the Electors voted him in as President-Elect--so it serves as a reminder that we should ignore the Electors' role. (His usurpation can be dated to January 20, 2009, if we like, in that Obama doubled down on his fraud on that date. I certainly don't think we should narrow the fraud to that date, but it does show how silly it is to say the Electoral College sort of legitimized his election.)
My point here is that we can say with absolute certainty that Obama harbored a wholesale contempt for the Constitution when he swore to uphold it (even though he usually disguised that contempt well enough to fool the hoi polloi until after he got out of office). While in office, he committed scores or even hundreds of impeachable crimes, many of which are now going to be legally actionable as sedition or even treason.
And Obama's perjury of his Oath both constitutes him as a felon and constitutes ALL of his official acts during his Presidency as FELONIES. He committed thousands of felonies, hundreds of which caused meaningful damage to our Republic and demand whatever remediation we can institute. Forget the cute but irrelevant side trip into a legal theory that we can't summarily remediate any damage just because Obama's fraud slipped past the Electors--and then got even worse when he took his Oath of Office and started trashing the Republic worse and worse and worse over time.
As I have repeatedly said, Obama is a usurper. 'Nuff said. You are at an impasse with me.
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@Elderberry
@Sanguine
The Electors were unwittingly eating and pooping out the fruit of a poison tree--i.e., Obama's fraud. Therefore, Obama is the officer we need to be looking at. And Obama is a usurper.
A good Constitutional lawyer will see right through the argument that the Electoral College is some kind of quasi-sacrosanct mechanism for declaring a "valid" winner of the Presidency. The question of Obama's birthplace fraud was never an issue in the Electors' pro forma role.
My goodness, two WRONGS--first Obama's deliberate citizenship fraud against the Electoral College and then the Electoral College's innocent mistake thereunder--do not make a RIGHT.
See #125, 126, 128, 129, and 130. Everything boils down to the fact that Obama is a usurper. We need to remember that Obama CHEATED his way right PAST our beloved Electoral College The De Facto Officer doctrine does not, cannot apply to Obama, as Elderberry's post demonstrates. Perhaps the Electors cannot be held liable as De Facto Officers, but Obama is a usurper, not a curiously lovely, special case of a De Facto Officer.
Besides, as I said in an earlier post, Obama perjured his Oath of Office. Notice that this occurred after the Electors voted him in as President-Elect--so it serves as a reminder that we should ignore the Electors' role. (His usurpation can be dated to January 20, 2009, if we like, in that Obama doubled down on his fraud on that date. I certainly don't think we should narrow the fraud to that date, but it does show how silly it is to say the Electoral College sort of legitimized his election.)
My point here is that we can say with absolute certainty that Obama harbored a wholesale contempt for the Constitution when he swore to uphold it (even though he usually disguised that contempt well enough to fool the hoi polloi until after he got out of office). While in office, he committed scores or even hundreds of impeachable crimes, many of which are now going to be legally actionable as sedition or even treason.
And Obama's perjury of his Oath both constitutes him as a felon and constitutes ALL of his official acts during his Presidency as FELONIES. He committed thousands of felonies, hundreds of which caused meaningful damage to our Republic and demand whatever remediation we can institute. Forget the cute but irrelevant side trip into a legal theory that we can't summarily remediate any damage just because Obama's fraud slipped past the Electors--and then got even worse when he took his Oath of Office and started trashing the Republic worse and worse and worse over time.
As I have repeatedly said, Obama is a usurper. 'Nuff said. You are at an impasse with me.
If Obama swears that he believed in good faith that he was born in HI, how can that be proven false? I provided evidence a few posts ago that Obama stated to Pfeiffer, Plouffe and Bauer that he was born in HI. What evidence could you present in court that he knowingly lied? [Like you, I believe he lied. But what you and I believe and what can be proven in a court of law are two different things.]
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If Obama swears that he believed in good faith that he was born in HI, how can that be proven false? I provided evidence a few posts ago that Obama stated to Pfeiffer, Plouffe and Bauer that he was born in HI. What evidence could you present in court that he knowingly lied? [Like you, I believe he lied. But what you and I believe and what can be proven in a court of law are two different things.]
How could it be proved? If he had told someone else, or written to someone else or otherwise claimed to have been born elsewhere?
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If Obama swears that he believed in good faith that he was born in HI, how can that be proven false? I provided evidence a few posts ago that Obama stated to Pfeiffer, Plouffe and Bauer that he was born in HI. What evidence could you present in court that he knowingly lied? [Like you, I believe he lied. But what you and I believe and what can be proven in a court of law are two different things.]
The Constitution gives three eligibility requirements to be president: one must be 35 years of age, a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a "natural born Citizen
Has he proven all three requirements? And forgeries are not valid proof.
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How could it be proved? If he had told someone else, or written to someone else or otherwise claimed to have been born elsewhere?
If Obama has confided to someone/s that he wasn't born in HI, that would be the dynamite we need. Unfortunately There's no evidence that this ever happened.
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Did Obama register for the draft? If not should he have not been permitted to be hired as a federal employee?
According to law, a man must register with Selective Service within 30 days of his 18th birthday. Selective Service can accept a late registration but not after a man has reached his 26th birthday.
Some men may have failed to register during the time they were eligible to do so and may now find they are ineligible for certain benefits:
federal student loans and grant programs
federal job training under the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act (formerly Workforce Investment Act)
federal jobs or security clearance as a contractor
U.S. citizenship for immigrants
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The Constitution gives three eligibility requirements to be president: one must be 35 years of age, a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a "natural born Citizen
Has he proven all three requirements? And forgeries are not valid proof.
The fabricated BC was produced by the state of HI. I agree that it's anything but an original vault copy LFBC, but HI presented it and no judge was found who was willing to hear Obama's eligibility case on its merits. Again, the de facto doctrine prevails.
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Did Obama register for the draft? If not should he have not been permitted to be hired as a federal employee?
According to law, a man must register with Selective Service within 30 days of his 18th birthday. Selective Service can accept a late registration but not after a man has reached his 26th birthday.
Some men may have failed to register during the time they were eligible to do so and may now find they are ineligible for certain benefits:
federal student loans and grant programs
federal job training under the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act (formerly Workforce Investment Act)
federal jobs or security clearance as a contractor
U.S. citizenship for immigrants
Now you're talking straight up forgery. Obama's draft registration wasn't even a good forgery; it was a hack job. It's frustrating, to realize that the Deep State, both left and RINO, backed Obama to the hilt.
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The fabricated BC was produced by the state of HI. I agree that it's anything but an original vault copy LFBC, but HI presented it and no judge was found who was willing to hear Obama's eligibility case on its merits. Again, the de facto doctrine prevails.
What makes you think the state of HI had anything to do with the fabricated BC? And what about the NBC requirement? Obama's father was not a US citizen. Obama is not a NBC.
Obama is a usurper.
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What makes you think the state of HI had anything to do with the fabricated BC? And what about the NBC requirement? Obama's father was not a US citizen. Obama is not a NBC.
Obama is a usurper.
Turns out that certifying Obama's HI BC was a high risk undertaking:
'The Hawaiian health official who verified the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate died in a small plane crash.' [I.e.: Loretta Fuddy]
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/12/hawaii-obama-birth-certificate-fuddy/3996657/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/12/hawaii-obama-birth-certificate-fuddy/3996657/)
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The investigator for Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s team that reviewed the authenticity of the document the White House posted as “proof positive†of Barack Obama’s Hawaiian birth says state officials never confirmed the document’s validity.
The “information†about the birth, yes. But not the document itself, said Mike Zullo, and that raises serious questions.
WND reported last week that Arpaio and Zullo held a news conference to reveal evidence they say shows the document was fraudulent.
Their conclusion is that it is not a copy of any original Hawaiian document, and while their investigation did not address whether Obama is a “natural-born citizen†as the Constitution requires for presidents, or the political implications of such a forgery, they noted it certainly raises many questions going forward.
Their evidence, they say, showed how the digital images on the document released by Obama in a White House news conference were copied from another document.
Zullo said Hawaiian officials engaged in a carefully parsed campaign to affirm the information but never the long-form birth certificate itself.
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@Sanguine
If Obama swears that he believed in good faith that he was born in HI, how can that be proven false? I provided evidence a few posts ago that Obama stated to Pfeiffer, Plouffe and Bauer that he was born in HI. What evidence could you present in court that he knowingly lied? [Like you, I believe he lied. But what you and I believe and what can be proven in a court of law are two different things.]
I submit that it will be easy to prove in court that he knowingly lied. When the BC forgery gets entered into evidence, he is toast.
When you look at everything that Obama has said and done surrounding the birthplace issue, it's all bad. It's overwhelmingly bad when considered as one great big pile. He would have to explain away too many things. Even if he can offer superficially, even cutely plausible explanations for some things, his explanations will get pretty thin in a lot of areas. His defense attorney would say, "Look, we have offered lovely explanations for everything except the Birth Certificate. Well, now we have to stipulate that he forged that--because Hawaii had lost his copy."
The overall impact on military judges would be completely unsympathetic. Obama will show a pattern of lying about everything, a pattern of fraternizing with Communist conspirators, a pattern of zillions of impeachable crimes and worse.
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It all comes down, then, to the matter of legal proof. Proof in a criminal case is not proof beyond any doubt whatsoever, but proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
To appreciate that, we need to turn the matter upside down and think about the mess of lying Obama would have to do in court, through his attorneys. The stuff would be so fishy by its very volume and would thus fill the courtroom with the stench of unreasonable belief. It will be immeasurably, undoubtedly more reasonable to believe he is still lying about what he knew and when he knew it and which shady characters he enlisted in the "alleged" (and partly very obvious) scams that he ran, etc., etc., etc.
At the bottom line, it would be unreasonable NOT to convict him. That rises to the bar of proof beyond reasonable doubt.
Don't worry: if the digital forgery comes into play, it's all over. Some juries are too mush-brained to think clearly in the way I have outlined, but military judges won't be.
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I almost forgot to emphasize that Obama would be tried on many counts in addition to the birthplace fraud. Some of the other counts, unrelated to the birthplace issue, will be easy to prove based on the intel that is being put together as we speak. The momentum of those convictions will naturally overflow to crush his case that he's just a flawed but basically honest guy who got confused about his birthplace or a very poor kid who had to lie to get funding for his schooling. This is the way the momentum naturally goes in multi-count trials. (Occasionally prosecutors will get a lot of counts into a case in order to be sure to hang the defendant on at least one; at other times, they put in a lot of counts because they think they ought to pursue and ought to be able to get maximum justice against a really bad guy--hanging him on all counts, all at once. I expect our military prosecutors will pull out all stops. America needs to know how bad Obama is and how badly, how viciously he fooled doofus voters. May it never happen again.)
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Most lawyers that I have run across flatly disagree that his laws, appointments, etc., would be legal and would therefore stand. Obama was illegally certified as eligible and therefore illegally elected. Even the Electoral College's actions in 2008 and 2012 were invalid, because the Electors, who were acting in good faith, were defrauded into certifying Obama's elections to the White House. And under the heinously un-Unconstitutional situation of Obama's swearing-in--as a fraudulent and therefore patently illegal POTUS--his oath-taking was a farce. It was actually and obviously a de facto PERJURY.
Furthermore, perjuring oneself during the Oath constitutes a felony. And I understand that under federal law, EVERY official act that a public official performs during his tenure of office after having given a PERJURED Oath of Office is defined by federal statute as a FELONY.
We could go on and on, but it is clear that Obama had no right to make appointments. He had no right to sign bills into law. His fraudulent occupancy of the Presidency means that no legally proper appointments were made, and no bills were duly signed by a genuine POTUS. If Obama is found guilty of the birthplace fraud, we should immediately void all of Obama's executive orders and cancel all of his false-Presidential appointments---including but not limited to all of "his" federal judges. Furthermore, each Executive Branch agency should pore over all of the regs promulgated under Obama's and Obama's appointees. And we should establish a Congressional committee to sort out what to do with all of the laws that bore Obama's signature.
Yeah, it's a mess. But we need to undo every bit of the damage we can--not pretend that it's all just water under the bridge. There are some things that we will not be able to remediate completely (for example, a lot of decisions in the federal court system), but we should adopt the attitude of "The difficult we do immediately; the impossible will take a little longer."
The libs will freak out. But that's just TOO BAD.
No DACA
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Thanks, that makes good sense.
And perfect sense.
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@Sanguine
The investigator for Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s team that reviewed the authenticity of the document the White House posted as “proof positive†of Barack Obama’s Hawaiian birth says state officials never confirmed the document’s validity.
The “information†about the birth, yes. But not the document itself, said Mike Zullo, and that raises serious questions.
WND reported last week that Arpaio and Zullo held a news conference to reveal evidence they say shows the document was fraudulent.
Their conclusion is that it is not a copy of any original Hawaiian document, and while their investigation did not address whether Obama is a “natural-born citizen†as the Constitution requires for presidents, or the political implications of such a forgery, they noted it certainly raises many questions going forward.
Their evidence, they say, showed how the digital images on the document released by Obama in a White House news conference were copied from another document.
Zullo said Hawaiian officials engaged in a carefully parsed campaign to affirm the information but never the long-form birth certificate itself.
Wow, so the Birth Certificate forgery issue is heating up--just as I have predicted it would. I have said all along that pedophilia crimes will be the capstone of the prosecution of HRC and the Birth Certificate forgery will be the capstone of the prosecution of Obama. I think using these shockers as capstones (or even centerpieces) will be a smart approach for jerking the slack out of a dull, incredulous public.
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No DACA
Right. That's important!
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The investigator for Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s team that reviewed the authenticity of the document the White House posted as “proof positive†of Barack Obama’s Hawaiian birth says state officials never confirmed the document’s validity.
The “information†about the birth, yes. But not the document itself, said Mike Zullo, and that raises serious questions.
WND reported last week that Arpaio and Zullo held a news conference to reveal evidence they say shows the document was fraudulent.
Their conclusion is that it is not a copy of any original Hawaiian document, and while their investigation did not address whether Obama is a “natural-born citizen†as the Constitution requires for presidents, or the political implications of such a forgery, they noted it certainly raises many questions going forward.
Their evidence, they say, showed how the digital images on the document released by Obama in a White House news conference were copied from another document.
Zullo said Hawaiian officials engaged in a carefully parsed campaign to affirm the information but never the long-form birth certificate itself.
It's been widely reported by an array of sources--liberal and conservative--that Loretta Giddy "authenticated" Obama's birth certificate. It was huge, major news at the time.
What HI did with Obama's 'birth records,' is an every day occurrence. I.e.: whenever a child is adopted, the state fabricates a new BC, listing the adoptive parents only, and seals the prior BC. It's not considered forgery.
Obama had some hand written birth records on file. Theory has it that Granny Dunham registered a home birth for him, so he would have US citizenship. HI was very freewheeling with birth records in the early 60s, so there is little doubt that she could have reported such a birth. [The state granted a one year timeframe to confirm the birth, and Stanley Ann was back in HI, with Little Barry, before the year ran out.]
What HI did was take these highly questionable handwritten notes and convert them to a fabricated LFBC. It was fundamentally dishonest but not illegal per se. (It would have been illegal if any HI had testified under oath that the fabrication was an original vault copy, but of course that never happened.)
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@Sanguine
I submit that it will be easy to prove in court that he knowingly lied. When the BC forgery gets entered into evidence, he is toast.
When you look at everything that Obama has said and done surrounding the birthplace issue, it's all bad. It's overwhelmingly bad when considered as one great big pile. He would have to explain away too many things. Even if he can offer superficially, even cutely plausible explanations for some things, his explanations will get pretty thin in a lot of areas. His defense attorney would say, "Look, we have offered lovely explanations for everything except the Birth Certificate. Well, now we have to stipulate that he forged that--because Hawaii had lost his copy."
The overall impact on military judges would be completely unsympathetic. Obama will show a pattern of lying about everything, a pattern of fraternizing with Communist conspirators, a pattern of zillions of impeachable crimes and worse.
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It all comes down, then, to the matter of legal proof. Proof in a criminal case is not proof beyond any doubt whatsoever, but proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
To appreciate that, we need to turn the matter upside down and think about the mess of lying Obama would have to do in court, through his attorneys. The stuff would be so fishy by its very volume and would thus fill the courtroom with the stench of unreasonable belief. It will be immeasurably, undoubtedly more reasonable to believe he is still lying about what he knew and when he knew it and which shady characters he enlisted in the "alleged" (and partly very obvious) scams that he ran, etc., etc., etc.
At the bottom line, it would be unreasonable NOT to convict him. That rises to the bar of proof beyond reasonable doubt.
Don't worry: if the digital forgery comes into play, it's all over. Some juries are too mush-brained to think clearly in the way I have outlined, but military judges won't be.
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I almost forgot to emphasize that Obama would be tried on many counts in addition to the birthplace fraud. Some of the other counts, unrelated to the birthplace issue, will be easy to prove based on the intel that is being put together as we speak. The momentum of those convictions will naturally overflow to crush his case that he's just a flawed but basically honest guy who got confused about his birthplace or a very poor kid who had to lie to get funding for his schooling. This is the way the momentum naturally goes in multi-count trials. (Occasionally prosecutors will get a lot of counts into a case in order to be sure to hang the defendant on at least one; at other times, they put in a lot of counts because they think they ought to pursue and ought to be able to get maximum justice against a really bad guy--hanging him on all counts, all at once. I expect our military prosecutors will pull out all stops. America needs to know how bad Obama is and how badly, how viciously he fooled doofus voters. May it never happen again.)
Nothing you mentioned is evidence that Obama knew he wasn't born in HI. He didn't fabricate that BC; HI did. All Obama has to do is swear that he was told--and believed--that he was born in HI and he's in the clear.
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@Sanguine
@Elderberry
@Chosen Daughter
Nothing you mentioned is evidence that Obama knew he wasn't born in HI. He didn't fabricate that BC; HI did. All Obama has to do is swear that he was told--and believed--that he was born in HI and he's in the clear.
That's why you won't be on the jury. (LOL)
You need to re-read my post.
It will be military judges who will look at the aggregate of Obama's lies and confidently invoke Occam's Razor with a vengeance: The only reasonable explanation for all the facts is that Obama is lying when he offers the lame excuse you proposed. ("Omigosh, he said it under oath? Then we have to believe him." Heck no, we don't. This won't be a legalistic game played out in a civilian court.)
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@Sanguine
@Elderberry
@Chosen Daughter
That's why you won't be on the jury. (LOL)
You need to re-read my post.
It will be military judges who will look at the aggregate of Obama's lies and confidently invoke Occam's Razor with a vengeance: The only reasonable explanation for all the facts is that Obama is lying when he offers the lame excuse you proposed. ("Omigosh, he said it under oath? Then we have to believe him." Heck no, we don't. This isn't a legalistic game that will be played out in a military court.)
What actual evidence will be presented to prove that Obama knew he wasn't born in HI? (Evidence that he wasn't born there is not evidence, from a legal standpoint, that Obama knew about it. If he stands pat and insists his mother told him he was born in HI, how does the prosecution PROVE he's lying? Obama can call a succession of witnesses--listed in a post above--to testify that Obama said he was born in HI. What witness can be called to contradict them?)
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What actual evidence will be presented to prove that Obama knew he wasn't born in HI? (Evidence that he wasn't born there is not evidence, from a legal standpoint, that Obama knew about it. If he stands pat and insists his mother told him he was born in HI, how does the prosecution PROVE he's lying? Obama can call a succession of witnesses--listed in a post above--to testify that Obama said he was born in HI. What witness can be called to contradict them?)
Whether he knew or didn't will not make him legitimate. I think he does know. I also know that he involved himself in Kenyan politics also when he campaigned for his Cousin Odinga. What resulted when he lost was a bloodbath.
Obama and Odinga:
Change We DON'T Want
Obama and Odinga - What's the Connection?
http://www.military-money-matters.com/obama-and-odinga.html (http://www.military-money-matters.com/obama-and-odinga.html)
Obama campaigned for Odinga
Everyone should read this.
https://canadafreepress.com/article/obama-and-odinga (https://canadafreepress.com/article/obama-and-odinga)
Obama and Odinga campaign in Kenya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0)
And this lawsuit filed in Pensylvania
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE
Plaintiff
vs.
CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL
Defendants
AFFIDAVIT OF BISHOP RON McRAE
I, Bishop Ron McRae am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the
within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as
follows;
I am the Continental Bishop who oversees the Anabaptists Churches in North
America. I am also the Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery, where we have
numerous churches throughout Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of
the Congo and mission works in several other African nations. The African Presbytery is
comprised of the national bishops of the various countries we minister in and support,
along with our statewide bishops from New York and Pennsylvania.
We actively visit and minister throughout these African countries, and do so
extensively throughout all of Kenya these last three [3] years. In overseeing the
establishment of our churches and presbytery in Kenya, over the last two [2] years we
have had personal dealings, continually, with many citizens of Kenya from every tribe
and economic standing throughout the wonderful nation of Kenya, with whom the
national interests in United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a very popular topic
of discussion. The tribal cultures of the Kenyanese people have involved much turmoil
during the national elections at the end of December 2007 and the beginning of 2008.
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae
1
The much published violence that erupted over the presidential elections caught the
world’s attention. Myself and several American minister with our church were present
during this time in Kenya, and the facts concerning this strife and the ensuing violence
were well known, and of common knowledge throughout all of Kenya.
The opposition party that was responsible for all of the violence was from the
minority Luo tribe, which is a Muslim tribe that supported Mr. Raila Odinga for
president. Raila Odinga is a Marxists socialist who graduated from the East Germany
Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship from the East German government. He
named his first born son after Fidel Castro. Raila Odinga spent six years in prison for his
admitted involvement in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 to over take and assassinate
Daniel Arap Moi, Kenya’s President. Mr. Odinga has publicly admitted to being the
leader of that coup in his 2006.
Mr. Odinga is the cousin of United States Senator Barack Obama; Mr. Obama is
from the same Muslim tribe, the Luo Tribe, as Mr. Odinga. Senator Obama visited Kenya
in August of 2006 and campaigned extensively for his cousin, Mr. Odinga, which gave
Odinga a tremendous boost. During Senator Obama’s campaign stops on behalf of his
cousin Odinga, the Senator made numerous claims against the democratic government of
Kenya and Kenya’s President Mwai Kibaki, claiming they were corrupt, stating often,
that Kenya was “ready for changeâ€, just as he has campaigned here in the United States
during this Presidential election. It has also been common knowledge throughout Kenya
that Senator Obama sent his foreign policy advisor, Mr. Mark Lippert, to Kenya at least
three times to advise Mr. Odinga on his campaign strategies. See Mark Hyman’s
Washington Times article published October 12, 2008, attached as Exhibit “1â€.
Moreover, everyone in Kenya is well aware that Senator Obama donated over one million
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae
2
American dollars ($1,000,000.00) to his cousin’s, Mr. Odinga’s campaign, which is
documented in the Kenyan Political Party, for Mr. Odinga, Orange Democratic
Movement [hereinafter “ODMâ€] along with extensive funds from other Muslim
supporters including but not limited to the Muslim son of Muammar Gadhafi, the dictator
of Libyan’s Muslim government. These issues are common knowledge throughout
Kenya, and the information is publicly documented across the internet.
It is detailed in Odinga’s financial reports and strategies ODM Internal Memo
documents, attached as Exhibit “2â€, which are public records, that a significant portion
of Senator Obama’s financial contributions (made through an organization identified as
Friends of Senator Barack Obama) were used to help finance both the signed Muslim
Memorandum of Understanding as well as the planned violence, murders and bloodshed
that occurred in December of 2007. Within the ODM Internal Memo attached as Exhibit
“2â€, the funds donated by Mr. Obama through “Friends of Senator Barack Obama†were
to be used for “Violence as a last result...to discourage voter participation in hostile
areas...use ODM agents on the ground to engineer ethnic tensions in target
areas...support Kapondi’s forces in Mt. Eglonâ€, and to do so during “Mid-Decemberâ€.
Unfortunately, the exact violence described in these reports was carried out and occurred
at the beginning of the second week of December 2007.
Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim
communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propagandas here in the United
States, US Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he
was born in Mombassa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the
Obama campaign for presidency of the United States. Mr. Obama’s cousin ran his failed
campaign for the Kenyan presidency in the identical fashion of Senator Obama’s
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae
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American campaign strategy, and that being to join a nominal Christian church in order
to publicly profess to be a Christian, while maintaining their actual Muslim beliefs, in
order to sway public opinion away from the actual fact of his strong Muslim beliefs,
family and goals. It is a known fact that membership in the United Church of Christ in
Chicago, where Barack Obama was a member, does not require Muslim’s to renounce
their Islamic faith in order to join the UCC church. Throughout Kenya it is and was well
publicized in the media that a Memorandum of Understanding agreement, attached as
Exhibit “3â€, between Raila Odinga and Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National
Muslim Leaders Forum, was signed by Odinga on August 29, 2007 in which Raila
Odinga promised if elected to implement numerous drastic changes including but not
limited to the following.
• Recognize “Islam as the only true religionâ€.
• “Islamic leaders would have an oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other
religions†[emphasis in the original],
• Installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction to implement Islamic law.
• Implement a ban on Christian preaching.
Because of the seriousness of all the above, as a Christian and a citizen of the
United States, this preacher could no longer sit idly by knowing these things and continue
to minister in both Kenya and the United States. As the presiding bishop over the
Continental Presbytery of Africa, I authorized representatives within our church to locate
and interview Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama, the actual grandmother of US Senator Barack
Obama. Ms. Sarah Obama lives in the Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from
Kisumu, where the Anabaptists have a congregation, and where this preacher has
preached several times prior to the December elections in 2007, and prior to the planned
violence from the Odinga supporters, which erupted.
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae 4
With Senator Obama being born in Kenya and not in the United States, he is not a
“natural born†citizen and it prohibits him from being eligible to run for and/or serve as
President of the United States. Since Senator Obama’s birth was reportedly in 1961, birth
records may or may not be available, so I felt it very important to obtain the testimony of
his grandmother as a first hand witness, since it is commonly known throughout Kenya,
and especially around the Kisumu area, that Sarah Obama was present when Barack
Obama, Jr. was born in Kenya.
Accordingly, on Thursday, October 16, 2008 Reverend Kweli Shuhudia (actual
name temporarily withheld to protect his life), an evangelists with our ministries
throughout Africa traveled to Kogello and located Ms. Sarah Obama at her home, see the
attached email, attached as Exhibit “4â€. Mr. Shuhudia is a very intelligent and educated
citizen of Africa, a former teacher and respected evangelist throughout Africa. Mr.
Shuhudia acts as our official translator when we are in Africa, and is fluent in both
Swahili and English. Mr. Shuhudia met and interviewed Ms. Sarah Obama at length on
October 16 lh , during which interview; he called me on my mobile number, see my phone
record attached as Exhibit “5â€. Mr. Shuhudia called me first on October 16 ,h at
10:33a.m. and advised that he was with Sarah Hussein Obama and that she wanted to
speak with me, but the connection was lost. He called me right back at 10:35a.m. and he
informed me that there were several hundred people present, celebrating Obama’s
success. I questioned him about the format of the phone call and conversation with Ms.
Obama, and then informed him that I would call him right back, so it would not cost him
international charges for the call. I called back at 10:40a.m. and public music and voices
could be heard that were gathered around Kweli Shuhudia. I then spoke with him and
requested that they utilize the speaker phone so everyone could hear. The speaker phone
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with its open microphone was utilized with Mr. Shuhudia, Mr. Vitalis Akech Ogombe the
Kogelo Community Chairman assisting in the translation work and Ms. Sarah Hussein,
along with several hundred people including policeman present and listening to the open
conversation between the four of us for approximately 15 minutes. Mr. Vitqalis Ogombe
is also the step grandson of Ms. Obama and the cousin of Barack Obama. A third
unknown party can be heard periodically interjecting both Swahili and English words in
the public discussion and conversation between the four of us. At times the room noise
from other peoples’ voices makes some of the swahili difficult to hear, and towards the
end of the converstaion several men’s voices are heard that are not identified. As I talked
to and questioned Ms. Obama publicly over the open microphone of Mr. Shuhudia’s
speaker phone, they would translate what I said to her in Swahili publicly, and then they
would translate her Swahili responses to me publicly in English. Ms. Obama can fluently
speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write. In the ensuing public
conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson
Barack Obama was born in Kenya?†This was asked to her in translation twice, and both
times she specifically replied, “Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was
bornâ€. Though, some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe, have obviously been
versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American
news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very
adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that
she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Mr.
Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama’s clear responses to the question, verifying
the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at
Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer
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the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the
United States!†But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed
her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
A transcript of this taped public interview is attached as Exhibit “6â€. Mr. Shuhudia took
photographs during the open conversation and interview with Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama,
which photos will be forthcoming.
Because of the seriousness of the political situation and the impact of such on a
United States Presidential election, and because of the factual reality of tremendous
violence in Kenya towards Christians, especially in the immediate area of Kisumu, where
both Sarah Hussein Obama and Rev. Kweli Shuhudia live, it is requested that all
reasonable and legal steps be taken to secure Rev. Kweli Shuhudia’s identity to the
Federal Court alone, in order to protect his life and safety for being willing to provide this
very important assistance in gathering this testimony and evidence to be used in any
Federal litigation.
The above related facts are true and verifiable to the best of my personal knowledge
before God Almighty, whose I am and whom I serve.
I declare under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States, that the
foregoing is true and correct.
Dated: October cM / . 2008 Bv ttieTtrace of God alone.
Residing Bishop
Continental Presbytery of Africa
Anabaptists Churches of N. America
John 3:30/
Philippians 3:19-21, 29, 30
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@ The Doc. You are correct. I find it funny how FANTASY WRITER, thinks they know all the right answers. We, have proof, and many documents on the fraud obama. Does not matter what obama thinks. Sociopath. The lawyer, named Orly sp? A woman, has all kind of information as does Barrister Shrimpton. Anyone who has the truth was sued, on made up charges. Too much to write from memory. Of course they write up negative things about her. Just wanted to give more info. Orly Taitz.
https://youtu.be/2SzW09xxghQ
Orly Taitz
orlytaitzesq.com
Orly Taitz is a Moldovan-American political conspiracy theorist. A dentist, lawyer, and former real estate agent, Taitz was a figure in the "birther" movement, which promoted the conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as President of the United States.More at Wikipedia
Born:
Aug 30, 1960, Kishinev, Moldavian SSR, Soviet Union (now Chișinău, Moldova)
Residence:
Laguna Niguel, California, U.S.
Citizenship:
American
Website
Wikipedia
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I meant to post this one first.
https://youtu.be/GEB-jl4DDhU
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What makes you think the state of HI had anything to do with the fabricated BC? And what about the NBC requirement? Obama's father was not a US citizen. Obama is not a NBC.
Obama is a usurper.
@Elderberry
Bathhouse Barry's father was Frank Marshall Davis,who was definitely born in the US,and who was a radical communist and black panther. Also one of the best friends of his grandparents.
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@Elderberry
Bathhouse Barry's father was Frank Marshall Davis,who was definitely born in the US,and who was a radical communist and black panther. Also one of the best friends of his grandparents.
@sneakypete
What matters is who was listed on the birth certificate as the father.
Could it have been Malcolm X?
(http://www.zenzoneforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12691&stc=1&d=1322737108)
Or Frank Marshall Davis?
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-38922140a037c4840703972fe264b02c)
It doesn't matter.
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@sneakypete
What matters is who was listed on the birth certificate as the father.
Could it have been Malcolm X?
(http://www.zenzoneforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12691&stc=1&d=1322737108)
Or Frank Marshall Davis?
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-38922140a037c4840703972fe264b02c)
It doesn't matter.
@Elderberry
It was Davis because Davis was the one with access by being "besties" with Obomber's grandparents,including sleepovers. In other words,he had access to their teenage daughter that Malcolm X didn't.
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Wow, so the Birth Certificate forgery issue is heating up--just as I have predicted it would. I have said all along that pedophilia crimes will be the capstone of the prosecution of HRC and the Birth Certificate forgery will be the capstone of the prosecution of Obama. I think using these shockers as capstones (or even centerpieces) will be a smart approach for jerking the slack out of a dull, incredulous public.
@the_doc
Sorry. I should have dated that article and given a link. It was pretty old.
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As you question who the father was, you also need to question who his mother was.
Was it Jo Ann Newman or Stanley Ann Dunham?
http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-malcolm-x-theory-revisited.html (http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-malcolm-x-theory-revisited.html)
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As you question who the father was, you also need to question who his mother was.
Was it Jo Ann Newman or Stanley Ann Dunham?
http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-malcolm-x-theory-revisited.html (http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-malcolm-x-theory-revisited.html)
Thanks @Elderberry! That is a theory I had not heard of until today.
Whoever his parents were it is clear that he is a complete fraud and never should have been allowed anywhere near the Whitehouse much less to reside in it.
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@ The Doc. You are correct. I find it funny how FANTASY WRITER, thinks they know all the right answers. We, have proof, and many documents on the fraud obama. Does not matter what obama thinks. Sociopath. The lawyer, named Orly sp? A woman, has all kind of information as does Barrister Shrimpton. Anyone who has the truth was sued, on made up charges. Too much to write from memory. Of course they write up negative things about her. Just wanted to give more info. Orly Taitz.
https://youtu.be/2SzW09xxghQ
Orly Taitz
orlytaitzesq.com
Orly Taitz is a Moldovan-American political conspiracy theorist. A dentist, lawyer, and former real estate agent, Taitz was a figure in the "birther" movement, which promoted the conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as President of the United States.More at Wikipedia
Born:
Aug 30, 1960, Kishinev, Moldavian SSR, Soviet Union (now Chișinău, Moldova)
Residence:
Laguna Niguel, California, U.S.
Citizenship:
American
Website
Wikipedia
Lol, oh my God, Orly Taitz. Can butterdezillion’s frogman post be far behind?
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Lol, oh my God, Orly Taitz. Can butterdezillion’s frogman post be far behind?
You sound like Humblegunner now. He just adored Orly.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTGXf4G20oe33-jauCgWSP_-NvBC-skmy2wGiZ5oa9p9cO66lrXw)
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Here's some Butter for you: https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/ (https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/)
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Thanks for your post of the affidavit. It practically clinches the argument.
Philip Berg was a very high-ranking Democrat politico and Hillary supporter who filed suit to block Obama's nomination in 2008. The suit was thrown out on technical grounds.
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You sound like Humblegunner now. He just adored Orly.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTGXf4G20oe33-jauCgWSP_-NvBC-skmy2wGiZ5oa9p9cO66lrXw)
@Elderberry
Lol
We could use HG right now.
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Here's some Butter for you: https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/ (https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/)
Oh, dear Lord. I don’t know what to say.
She opused out at TOS—-accused Jim of holding her against her will.
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Oh, dear Lord. I don’t know what to say.
She opused out at TOS—-accused Jim of holding her against her will.
Looks like she's still being held against her will.
Opus
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butterdezillion to Jim Robinson
As long as I have an account after I have asked it to be closed, I am being held against my will.
And as long as you let my posts remain after you’ve called it “nutteryâ€, then you acknowledge that you either don’t think it’s nuttery or you like nuttery on your site.
Live what you say. If my posts are crap get rid of them.
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@Elderberry
Lol
We could use HG right now.
@CatherineofAragon
You must have some blog pimps you want him to go after.
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@CatherineofAragon
You must have some blog pimps you want him to go after.
@Elderberry
I don't care about blogs, but HG is hard-headed common sense.
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It's funny. I was at TOS way too many years and I hardly remember many individuals.
Of course I remember Humblegunner but I don't remember anything about it. Don't think he is still there.
And Lazamataz has a special place in my heart. Right before I was banned for being anti-Trump, he wrote the nastiest, most vicious, ugly, post to me I have ever read. I can't forgive Jim Rob for allowing that to happen. In all decency, he should not have allowed that kind of posts. But he seemed to revel in it.
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It's funny. I was at TOS way too many years and I hardly remember many individuals.
Of course I remember Humblegunner but I don't remember anything about it. Don't think he is still there.
And Lazamataz has a special place in my heart. Right before I was banned for being anti-Trump, he wrote the nastiest, most vicious, ugly, post to me I have ever read. I can't forgive Jim Rob for allowing that to happen. In all decency, he should not have allowed that kind of posts. But he seemed to revel in it.
Probably was the Cocaine talking.
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It's funny. I was at TOS way too many years and I hardly remember many individuals.
Of course I remember Humblegunner but I don't remember anything about it. Don't think he is still there.
And Lazamataz has a special place in my heart. Right before I was banned for being anti-Trump, he wrote the nastiest, most vicious, ugly, post to me I have ever read. I can't forgive Jim Rob for allowing that to happen. In all decency, he should not have allowed that kind of posts. But he seemed to revel in it.
@Emjay
Humblegunner's still there, I think.
Laz lost me during the primaries when he started wishing death by cancer on people who wouldn't go for Trump. Not to mention the fact that he started emailing me, wanting to show me some kind of forum software he was secretly developing to compete with FR. Wanted me to call him, told me my husband would never know. Yeah, no thanks.
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There was always something a little creepy about Laz but some people thought he was funny.
He was definitely a sick guy.
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There was always something a little creepy about Laz but some people thought he was funny.
He was definitely a sick guy.
Laz is as nice a person as you will ever meet and VERY talented. Unfortunately, the drugs have ruined his life.
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Laz is as nice a person as you will ever meet and VERY talented. Unfortunately, the drugs have ruined his life.
He may have been nice to you, but he was evil incarnate to me.
I don't accept the 'drugs' excuse.
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Laz is as nice a person as you will ever meet and VERY talented. Unfortunately, the drugs have ruined his life.
Have 'the drugs' killed him yet?
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Have 'the drugs' killed him yet?
Not that I know of. Haven't seen him in several years though. Humble Gunner would know I'm sure.
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Laz has an account here. I won't ping him so as not to poke a proverbial hornet's nest, but he posted a couple of times.
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Not that I know of. Haven't seen him in several years though. Humble Gunner would know I'm sure.
He's still a kickin. Said he'd call me but hasn't yet. That was a week or 2 ago.
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He may have been nice to you, but he was evil incarnate to me.
I don't accept the 'drugs' excuse.
Have you ever had any kind of compulsion or addiction that was durn hard for you to lay aside?
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@Emjay
Humblegunner's still there, I think.
Laz lost me during the primaries when he started wishing death by cancer on people who wouldn't go for Trump. Not to mention the fact that he started emailing me, wanting to show me some kind of forum software he was secretly developing to compete with FR. Wanted me to call him, told me my husband would never know. Yeah, no thanks.
He can certainly be a mystifying challenge at times.
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Probably was the Cocaine talking.
Humblegunner is still around. He's a lot more decent than he sometimes projects.
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@Elderberry
It was Davis because Davis was the one with access by being "besties" with Obomber's grandparents,including sleepovers. In other words,he had access to their teenage daughter that Malcolm X didn't.
little jeremiah at FR has a bit of a different take on OBummer's geneology. I don't remember it precisely.
He reportedly has a lot of proof that his parents were not those even conspiracy folks have dug up . . . none of the common ones listed.
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Have you ever had any kind of compulsion or addiction that was durn hard for you to lay aside?
No, I have been lucky in that regard and I recognize that because some of my family members (not close ones) have not been as lucky.
I guess I should show more compassion to those that cannot fight their addictions. I also blame the people responsible for pushing drugs, including some in the medical community.
But I find it hard to excuse evil actions even if drug induced.
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Laz has an account here. I won't ping him so as not to poke a proverbial hornet's nest, but he posted a couple of times.
Please don't. Let sleeping dirtbags lie.
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Please don't. Let sleeping dirtbags lie.
Sinkspur and I exchange texts every now in then....when something in the news REALLY upsets him.
Wish I could say he'd be great here... still love the guy.
But he's not softened up on The Man one bit.
He's our @roamer_1 on steroids. (hat tip)
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Sinkspur and I exchange texts every now in then....when something in the news REALLY upsets him.
Wish I could say he'd be great here... still love the guy.
But he's not softened up on The Man one bit.
He's our @roamer_1 on steroids. (hat tip)
You should hook him up with Jazzhead. They would get along great.
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Sinkspur and I exchange texts every now in then....when something in the news REALLY upsets him.
Wish I could say he'd be great here... still love the guy.
But he's not softened up on The Man one bit.
He's our @roamer_1 on steroids. (hat tip)
That's a name I hadn't heard in a while.
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Sure it is, just like the tooth fairy.
I thought that it might be at one time, then I wized up.
It was well over a year ago the Joe Arpiao was going to Washington and was going release this information"Any day now".
His definition of "any day" and mine are years apart.
That's why I joke and say he must be taking it by Wagon Train, because it hasn't managed to find its way there yet.
I'll say this:
Everyone who is convinced of this, and claims the truth is out there, Like Scully and Mulder, I have a couple of questions:
What is taking Sheriff Joe, Orly, Apuzzo, etc., so long to release this?
What are they waiting for?
Don't tell me the midterms, because that would be B.S.
With the Trump Clinton race so tight, that would have been the time to release it, but, no.
Are they scared?
Of what?
Not very patriotic, if the are.
There's no "Give me Liberty or Give Me Death" in this crowd.
Wimps?
Maybe.
They just don't have the goods.
Sorry Tex, all wrong. You have no idea how deep state operates. They have the goods, and many have "died" by suicide , with 5 bullets in the head. You are not into real life, America now. We are no longer in the old days. Joe was sued by Obama, with a phony made up claim, to silence him. Dinish who made movies, correct but negative, about dems. Hillary Obama, ended up in jail. Yeah, I know, many in congress, hillary obama have done WORSE. Orly has the goods and some judge, silenced her too. Threw out her case. Have you heard of corrupt 9th circuit ? We have many muslims in high office now, that protected the other muslim in Oval Office. Obama sued Palin, to try and find some dirt. Went through her garbage. Nothing found. Scalia, neutralized, by obama. You seem like a good person, but don't know, how much trouble our country is IN. I can't give you the 12 years history of all the items. Take care.
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@LegalAmerican
Sorry Tex, all wrong. You have no idea how deep state operates. They have the goods, and many have "died" by suicide , with 5 bullets in the head.
5?
You are not into real life, America now.
Sure, if you say so.
We are no longer in the old days. Joe was sued by Obama, with a phony made up claim, to silence him. Dinish who made movies, correct but negative, about dems. Hillary Obama, ended up in jail.
It's Dinesh, by the way, and I've seen his movies
Yeah, I know, many in congress, hillary obama have done WORSE. Orly has the goods and some judge, silenced her too. Threw out her case.
Have you heard of corrupt 9th circuit ?
No, please enlighten me.
We have many muslims in high office now, that protected the other muslim in Oval Office.
Many? I'll bet you can only name a handful.
Obama sued Palin, to try and find some dirt.
Obama sued Palin? Show me the court docket.
Went through her garbage. Nothing found.
I'd like to think they at least found garbage, unless the cans were empty. What would be the point of searching empty cans?
Scalia, neutralized, by obama.
Neutralized...by Obama? Boy, that Obama guy sure gets around.
You seem like a good person, but don't know, how much trouble our country is IN.
Please enlighten me. I am but a naive soul, wondering lost in a wilderness of ignorance.
I can't give you the 12 years history of all the items.
Somehow, I don't believe we'd agree 100% on the history of the last 12 years, but I'm sure we would on some of it.
Take care.
And you do the same.
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@LegalAmerican
@Chosen Daughter
The question I was responding to is whether Obama could be prosecuted for perpetrating a fraud. The answer from a legal standpoint is no. He has gone to extensive lengths to establish that it is/was his personal and firm belief that he was born in HI. Among the many witnesses he could call is his former WH counsel [whose testimony would carry weight in a court of law]. Against this evidence there are no witnesses that I'm aware of who could make the case that Obama believes he was not born in HI. In such a scenario Obama wins with ease.
Iow, from a legal standpoint, you can't present a case on the basis of, "Well I and X-number of people believe Obama was born in Kenya, therefore Obama must believe it too." You'd be laughed out of court.
Even supposing you could prove Obama wasn't born in HI, that's still not proving he KNEW he wasn't born there. All Obama has to do is swear that the people he trusted--his mother, grandmother, etc.--told him he was born in HI and he believed them. How would you PROVE he was lying?
Bottom line: the only way Obama could be prosecuted for fraud is if it could be proven that he knew he wasn't born in HI. There are really only two ways to succeed in such a case. First, the production of written evidence originating from Obama himself to the effect that he was aware of his non-Hawaiin birth. Second, the production of witnesses who would be willing to swear that Obama told them he is foreign born. Afaik, no such evidence or witnesses exist.
This isn't legalism. It's just the facts.
The best we can do at this point, realistically, is simply to expose the fraud that was perpetrated on the country. Obama doesn't go to jail, but he goes down in history as a person who was foisted upon the American voters via lies and skulduggery. It would further tarnish his sorry legacy as well as vastly reduce the likelihood of such a scam succeeding in the future.
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Sorry Tex, all wrong.
You needn't worry about our friend @GrouchoTex. He's a thinking man. (Many folks lost interest in the Birthers' claims a while back--as Groucho did--but he's lately proven to be open-minded toward the stuff we are updating and pulling together on this forum).
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You needn't worry about our friend @GrouchoTex. He's a thinking man. (Many folks lost interest in the Birthers' claims a while back--as Groucho did--but he's lately proven to be open-minded toward the stuff we are updating and pulling together on this forum).
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@LegalAmerican
@Chosen Daughter
This isn't legalism. It's just the facts.
Nope. A juror is not obligated under the law to believe a witness, especially not a defendant. That's true even if there is no direct, irrrefutable proof that he is most certainly lying.
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@GrouchoTex
Some of the so-called birthers were genuine loons, and unfortunately they gave the entire issue a bad name. Setting aside all that, here are the basic questions that anyone who believes Obama was born in HI needs to answer:
1: Where in Hi/Honolulu did Stanley Ann Dunham (SAD) live during her pregnancy? Several Obama-friendly biographers have beaten the bushes down there and come up empty. There isn't a living soul in HI who claims to have seen her on the island subsequent to the conclusion of the 1960 fall term.
2: Why wasn't SAD living with her parents during her pregnancy? That is where she lived during the fall semester. Why did she move out and where did she go?
3: Why was the first (documented) sighting of SAD with a newborn 2,677 from Honolulu? Why/when did she leave Honolulu? How did she get to Seattle? What possible motivation could she have for spending the exorbitant amount of money plane tickets to and from Honolulu and Seattle cost in the early 60s? Her parents were just scraping by in those days and SAD had zero $ of her own.
I could add a dozen trenchant questions to the list, but those will do for a start. The truth is out there.
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Nope. A juror is not obligated under the law to believe a witness, especially not a defendant. That's true even if there is no direct, irrrefutable proof that he is most certainly lying.
You are missing the point. The point being that Obama could put a slew of reputable witnesses on the stand to swear that he BELIEVED he was born in HI. He can't be convicted of a fraud for simply believing something that LATER was shown to be untrue.
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You are missing the point. The point being that Obama could put a slew of reputable witnesses on the stand to swear that he BELIEVED he was born in HI. He can't be convicted of a fraud for simply believing something that LATER was shown to be untrue.
I find it very hard to believe that a jury would buy that Obama thought he was born in HI after his half-brother Malik testifies that Obama was born in Kenya.
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This whole thread just shows how organized crime works.
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I find it very hard to believe that a jury would buy that Obama thought he was born in HI after his half-brother Malik testifies that Obama was born in Kenya.
Malik has never stated as fact that Obama was born in Kenya. He tweeted an unauthenticated Kenyan BC professing to be that of Obama. [Malik has an ax to grind with his rich 1/2 brother. Malik has had 12 wives (iirc, all but 1 still living) and refuses to divulge the # children he has. When Obama became a millionaire Malik expected to live off his 1/2 brother's largesse. In typical narcissistic fashion Obama refused to share the wealth. Malik has been gunning for him ever since.] [Edit: evidently all 12 of Malik's wives are still alive.]
One of Obama's other brothers, Mark, has stated definitively that Obama was NOT born in Kenya. That interview was still up on YouTube, last time I checked.
I will say it again. If there were a house or hut in Kenya that could lay claim to having accommodated Stanley Ann Dunham during her pregnancy, we would know about it. Obama's Kenyan family is dirt poor. If they could identify a house occupied by the mother of a US President, they'd have exploited it long ago.
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This whole thread just shows how organized crime works.
How so?
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How so?
If you have the backing, they will show you are a girl if it suits the corrupt leaders agenda.
ISIS runs deep in our government.
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You are missing the point. The point being that Obama could put a slew of reputable witnesses on the stand to swear that he BELIEVED he was born in HI. He can't be convicted of a fraud for simply believing something that LATER was shown to be untrue.
LOL. Witnesses for Obama would have almost no credibility, because Obama is a known liar surrounded by known liars--and his witnesses would have to be lying to swear to such a crazy notion that Obama had definitely come to believe that he was born in Hawaii after all. (Besides, Obama might have just told his buddies that.)
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Anyway, please quit moving the goalposts by now theorizing a slew of liars that the jurors would surely have to believe. (That's not the way you started out. You started out be insinuating that jurors would have to believe a defendant if he made a given sworn statement that the prosecution could not completely refute. But as I pointed out in a previous post, the law does not work so simplistically. I will grant that your theory of a defense might be the one they wind up trying--because it would be Obama's only hope--but it would get crushed. Military judges will not be impressed.)
This is not an interesting, much less fruitful line of discussion.
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Sinkspur and I exchange texts every now in then....when something in the news REALLY upsets him.
Wish I could say he'd be great here... still love the guy.
But he's not softened up on The Man one bit.
He's our @roamer_1 on steroids. (hat tip)
@DCPatriot
Me and Sink always got along.
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No, I have been lucky in that regard and I recognize that because some of my family members (not close ones) have not been as lucky.
I guess I should show more compassion to those that cannot fight their addictions. I also blame the people responsible for pushing drugs, including some in the medical community.
But I find it hard to excuse evil actions even if drug induced.
At least he recognizes his part in troubling his own life. Many times he rises above it. Sometimes, not.
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If you have the backing, they will show you are a girl if it suits the corrupt leaders agenda.
ISIS runs deep in our government.
Sorry, not getting it. I am a girl. Whether it suits anyone's agenda or not.
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It will be a big mess to untangle the legal mess of illegal appointments and illegal executive orders and illegal legislations, but we definitely need to slog through the whole mess.
Besides, we need to mete out retributive justice against Obama and everyone else who was complicit in every facet of the overall conspiracy to ruin our Republic--the birthplace fraud necessarily included.
Chosen is wrong. It was Hillary Clinton who started the birther thing, as she KNOWS, obama is a fraud. Then the two, demon-rats, kissed and made up.
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Quote from: LegalAmerican on August 15, 2018, 10:28:49 PM
No claim,,fact. Even a book by obama says, born in Kenya, and they are all so proud! Then he says it, In Kenya and manchells on video. It seems this site is protected from truth. So much information on this. That is why obama sued Joe on trumped up charge.
Sure it is, just like the tooth fairy.
I thought that it might be at one time, then I wized up.
It was well over a year ago the Joe Arpiao was going to Washington and was going release this information"Any day now".
His definition of "any day" and mine are years apart.
That's why I joke and say he must be taking it by Wagon Train, because it hasn't managed to find its way there yet.
I'll say this:
Everyone who is convinced of this, and claims the truth is out there, Like Scully and Mulder, I have a couple of questions:
What is taking Sheriff Joe, Orly, Apuzzo, etc., so long to release this?
What are they waiting for?
Don't tell me the midterms, because that would be B.S.
With the Trump Clinton race so tight, that would have been the time to release it, but, no.
Are they scared?
Of what?
Not very patriotic, if the are.
There's no "Give me Liberty or Give Me Death" in this crowd.
Wimps?
Maybe.
They just don't have the goods.
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@LegalAmerican
You need to read my #103 responding to GrouchoTex's #83. Then read his response #104 and our chat from #105 through #107. Everything's cool. (I am the Dale Carnegie of peacemaking and polemics. tri22)
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This whole thread just shows how organized crime works.
Bingo
I would bet there isn't any member of Congress, a substantial part of the judiciary, and ALL of the intelligence community-DOJ, NSA, FBI, etc., that would throw their hat in the ring to prove obama as the fraud he is.
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@LegalAmerican
You need to read my #103 responding to GrouchoTex's #83. Then read his response #104 and our chat from #105 through #107. Everything's cool. (I am the Dale Carnegie of peacemaking and polemics. tri22)
Yet the whole matter rests on the "infamy" of Ron Popeil...set it and forget it...
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LOL. Witnesses for Obama would have almost no credibility, because Obama is a known liar surrounded by known liars--and his witnesses would have to be lying to swear to such a crazy notion that Obama had definitely come to believe that he was born in Hawaii after all. (Besides, Obama might have just told his buddies that.)
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Anyway, please quit moving the goalposts by now theorizing a slew of liars that the jurors would surely have to believe. (That's not the way you started out. You started out be insinuating that jurors would have to believe a defendant if he made a given sworn statement that the prosecution could not completely refute. But as I pointed out in a previous post, the law does not work so simplistically. I will grant that your theory of a defense might be the one they wind up trying--because it would be Obama's only hope--but it would get crushed. Military judges will not be impressed.)
This is not an interesting, much less fruitful line of discussion.
You appear to be unaware of how courts proceed. In your view, a judge and jury would simply pronounce Obama guilty. I.e.: "There is no need for this defendant to call witnesses. We know a priori that neither he nor his witnesses have any credibility. Rather than bothering with a show trial, let's simply pronounce Obama guilty and move to the penalty stage."
Here in America that's not how a trial works. Just fyi.
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You appear to be unaware of how courts proceed. In your view, a judge and jury would simply pronounce Obama guilty. I.e.: "There is no need for this defendant to call witnesses. We know a priori that neither he nor his witnesses have any credibility. Rather than bothering with a show trial, let's simply pronounce Obama guilty and move to the penalty stage."
Here in America that's not how a trial works. Just fyi.
You are not looking real good in this spat, friend. Bye.
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You appear to be unaware of how courts proceed. In your view, a judge and jury would simply pronounce Obama guilty. I.e.: "There is no need for this defendant to call witnesses. We know a priori that neither he nor his witnesses have any credibility. Rather than bothering with a show trial, let's simply pronounce Obama guilty and move to the penalty stage."
Here in America that's not how a trial works. Just fyi.
Stick with fantasy writing.
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If you've not been hit by flying lead...
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@GrouchoTex
Some of the so-called birthers were genuine loons, and unfortunately they gave the entire issue a bad name. Setting aside all that, here are the basic questions that anyone who believes Obama was born in HI needs to answer:
1: Where in Hi/Honolulu did Stanley Ann Dunham (SAD) live during her pregnancy? Several Obama-friendly biographers have beaten the bushes down there and come up empty. There isn't a living soul in HI who claims to have seen her on the island subsequent to the conclusion of the 1960 fall term.
2: Why wasn't SAD living with her parents during her pregnancy? That is where she lived during the fall semester. Why did she move out and where did she go?
3: Why was the first (documented) sighting of SAD with a newborn 2,677 from Honolulu? Why/when did she leave Honolulu? How did she get to Seattle? What possible motivation could she have for spending the exorbitant amount of money plane tickets to and from Honolulu and Seattle cost in the early 60s? Her parents were just scraping by in those days and SAD had zero $ of her own.
I could add a dozen trenchant questions to the list, but those will do for a start. The truth is out there.
I'm going to keep an open mind, but those who take it to the courts a batting about .000 now.
I think @the_doc has my figured out right. I am just suffering from birther fatigue.
I'll keep checking in and rail"now dammit!" Now and again.
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Ok, Doc. Thanks. I saw them.
Everything I posted is old news, and verified. YEARS AGO, I did not want to re-create the wheel for Tex.
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Ok, Doc. Thanks. I saw them.
Everything I posted is old news, and verified. YEARS AGO, I did not want to re-create the wheel for Tex.
I'm not sure what to say.
My first vote in a Presidential election was cast for Ronald Reagan, so this ain't my first rodeo.
I know you'd like to think so, but trust me,you are not telling me anything I hadn't heard before.
YEARS AGO.
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@the_doc
@bigheadfred
I must have wormholed back to TOS. There, it is standard to substitute insults, ad hominem and other snark for rational discussion. That's the reason I don't spend one nanosecond missing that place; it is an intellectual wasteland.
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@the_doc
@bigheadfred
I must have wormholed back to TOS. There, it is standard to substitute insults, ad hominem and other snark for rational discussion. That's the reason I don't spend one nanosecond missing that place; it is an intellectual wasteland.
Wasn't always that way but now yes.
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@GrouchoTex
I'm going to keep an open mind, but those who take it to the courts a batting about .000 now.
I think @the_doc has my figured out right. I am just suffering from birther fatigue.
I'll keep checking in and rail"now dammit!" Now and again.
Do you remember how many of the court cases were immediately thrown out on the grounds that the plaintiff had no legal standing to sue? Practically all of them.
And do you remember what happened in the very first case that was filed by someone who was determined by a federal judge to have standing? The lawsuit involved an Army Major (Reservist) who was called up to go to Iraq--and he refused to go unless Obama could prove that he was the lawful Commander in Chief. The Los Angeles Federal District Judge (an ex-Marine, I am told) said something to the effect that "We're finally going to get to the bottom of this Birther thing. The Major has legal standing to sue by virtue of the fact that he is being ordered into a war zone."
The judge immediately started scheduling all of the proceedings for a trial. But immediately thereafter, the Major received a notice from the U.S. Army that his deployment order had been canceled. The Major's standing for the lawsuit instantly evaporated, and so also did the court case.
This incident was almost too weird to be believed. (You don't want to go? Okay then, you don't have to go.)
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Over the years, Obama's lawyers were always able to block any meaningful investigation of Obama's eligibility to be POTUS. It was uncanny. And although some plaintiff's lawyers made some tactical errors in the legal battles, the deck was always stacked in Obama's favor.
Most of the public eventually got the strong impression that the Birther stuff was nonsense--but that strong impression was the wrong impression. It was the impression that the public was fed.
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I can't quite recall the Army's answer to the case with the Reserve Major, but it was something along the lines of reservist don't have to go if they don't want to, which seems really odd at the time, I admit. It wasn't exactly that, of course, but it came off that way.
I'll take a second look at that case.
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@GrouchoTex
Do you remember how many of the court cases were immediately thrown out on the grounds that the plaintiff had no legal standing to sue? Practically all of them.
And do you remember what happened in the very first case that was filed by someone who was determined by a federal judge to have standing? The lawsuit involved an Army Major (Reservist) who was called up to go to Iraq--and he refused to go unless Obama could prove that he was the lawful Commander in Chief. The Los Angeles Federal District Judge (an ex-Marine, I am told) said something to the effect that "We're finally going to get to the bottom of this Birther thing. The Major has legal standing to sue by virtue of the fact that he is being ordered into a war zone."
The judge immediately started scheduling all of the proceedings for a trial. But immediately thereafter, the Major received a notice from the U.S. Army that his deployment order had been canceled. The Major's standing for the lawsuit instantly evaporated, and so also did the court case.
This incident was almost too weird to be believed. (You don't want to go? Okay then, you don't have to go.)
***
Over the years, Obama's lawyers were always able to block any meaningful investigation of Obama's eligibility to be POTUS. It was uncanny. And although some plaintiff's lawyers made some tactical errors in the legal battles, the deck was always stacked in Obama's favor.
Most of the public eventually got the strong impression that the Birther stuff was nonsense--but that strong impression was the wrong impression. It was the impression that the public was fed.
I do remember that incident and can't help but wonder what happened to the Major after the uproar subsided.
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I do remember that incident and can't help but wonder what happened to the Major after the uproar subsided.
That's a good question.
Phillip Berg always intrigued me, as he was no friend of conservatives.
I see why some weren't taken as seriously, but I thought he might be.
(One of my reasons for " awww, never mind." When he couldn't get anywhere).
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I do remember that incident and can't help but wonder what happened to the Major after the uproar subsided.
I think y'all are talking about Stefan Cook. He was represented by Orly Taitz. He was a Freeper that I met at a couple of events. He died a several years ago, I am thinking from pneumonia complications, but I could be remembering that wrong. I don't remember what his Freeper name was. I think it was something with "dog" in it.
Edited to add: I did remember wrong, way wrong, it was pancreatic cancer.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2012/01/12/lt-col-stefan-cook-has-passed-away/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2012/01/12/lt-col-stefan-cook-has-passed-away/)
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@the_doc
@bigheadfred
I must have wormholed back to TOS. There, it is standard to substitute insults, ad hominem and other snark for rational discussion. That's the reason I don't spend one nanosecond missing that place; it is an intellectual wasteland.
uh huh
Your best bet is to stick to fantasy writing.
kudos
Bent Knee.
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@Fantasywriter So flat out you have either the experience of being on the dictatorial side of the justice system, or all of your knowledge was gleaned by other means. Which doesn't include experiential.
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Merely rhetorical.
Direction intended but directionless, The Fifth Dimension.
To the Filth Dimension.
word...a single distinct meaningful element of speech or writing
First world to the third world.
Tell me a story. @Fantasywriter
Word.
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I think y'all are talking about Stefan Cook. He was represented by Orly Taitz. He was a Freeper that I met at a couple of events. He died a several years ago, I am thinking from pneumonia complications, but I could be remembering that wrong. I don't remember what his Freeper name was. I think it was something with "dog" in it.
Edited to add: I did remember wrong, way wrong, it was pancreatic cancer.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2012/01/12/lt-col-stefan-cook-has-passed-away/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2012/01/12/lt-col-stefan-cook-has-passed-away/)
@RoosGirl
Thanks for digging that info up my lady! happy77
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The fun part of this whole "origins" discussion pretty much proves my earlier point.
The first and chief defense of the Obama Administration, and , in fact, the numerous criminal conspiracies which unfolded and continue to unfold as a result of that administration is this:
If you commit a crime, an unthinkable crime, so outrageous, so convoluted, so well covered up by corruption in key places, the ability to turn on whistle blowers and others who discover that crime and call them "conspiracy theorists" and "kooks" and a host of other derisions is the first and best line of defense--or just have them die in an unfortunate accident or a 'botched robbery' in which nothing of value was taken but their life.
Why, the very idea that some people in the DNC would conspire to have elected an unqualified person to the highest office in the land...
The very idea that the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA might all be compromised and fail to halt the scheme or warn Americans...
The very idea that State and Federal Officials might work to further the deception...
The very idea that that same group might move to Subvert the Constitution, destroy individual Rights, give aid and comfort to our enemies, (not to mention a planeload of cash), destabilize governments, to fundamentally change America just seems a little much for the average person to wrap their head around...all while holding high office in our own government...
The very idea that the major outlets of the media might work as a propaganda arm for this effort....
(Are you ready for the rubber room yet?)
There's just one small problem.
It happened.
We can nit-pick all we want about who did what (or didn't) to expose it all, from the gun running to Mexican Cartels, to shipping Iran pallets of cash, to the 'Arab Spring", and deny small bits of it, we can deny that anything pretty much which could stop American industrial development was done, and anything which might cripple entire economic sectors (how is your health insurance?), or that a SCOTUS justice rewrote legislation to turn a "penalty" we were all assured repeatedly by its authors was, indeed, a penalty and not a tax into the very thing we had been repeatedly assured it was not in order to uphold legislation which required Americans to purchase goods or services against their will, an act itself unthinkable--especially since the Court had to violate the Constitution to do so.
Aside from the very outrageous nature of these acts, there is the fact that there were so many of them, committed in such rapid-fire succession that those watchdogs of our way of life were overwhelmed by the volume and scope of them. Not just ordinary Democrat hijinks, but a full-on full-court press of multiple and ongoing offenses which reeks of malice and forethought and organizational planning. When those who ordinarily keep track of such things are overwhelmed by their scope, number, and intensity, the average schmuck doesn't have a chance. Their eyes glaze over, they know something is wrong, but they can't do anything....they're shell-shocked by that bombardment of outrage, they can't possibly keep up, and the media keep telling them everything is wonderful, even though they know it isn't. So, their eyes glaze over and they resort to the escapes of bread and circuses, provided they can afford either.
Lest we forget, "Community Organizing" was the claimed forte of the ringleader (at least the man standing in the center ring of that circus). From the Judiciary to the Congress, from the intelligence agencies to the media, to foreign assets having unprecedented access to classified material, some of which should not have ever been stored on computers with internet access, much less a private one unencumbered by security protocols, to the simple fact that the perpetrators have never been prosecuted for thousands of admitted offenses that would have (at the least) cost mere mortals their Government jobs, if they did not land in prison.
Where is the media? Either impotently shrieking from the corners or busy covering it all up.
We were told that everything from nasty yoga pants to breezeway upholstery prints were haute couture, while Americans who could barely afford their own phones provided them for millions, while people who worked hard were losing their insurance and being threatened with "taxes" for not buying it, or losing the jobs that had provided it, yet providing medical care for countless others who lived off their efforts, all while the Congress exempted itself from that very same law.
And that is just a few of the high points. We watched as the withdrawal date was announced from Iraq and IS formed, in the ruins of destabilized governments across North Africa and into the Middle East, at least one populated by cronies of people in Cabinet level office, and formidable evil was perpetrated across the region, to the shock and disbelief of America. Those paying attention saw the connection between the cabinet level official and the replacement President of one of those nations, a man later ousted by his own people.
And the whole time the "rich white man", a staple of the envious in identity politics, reeled from economic malaise, he was blamed for every ill which befell the country, and the media made it happen by materially altering the facts surrounding the incidents which became excuses to burn and loot areas of cities, and the Government let them, despite having studied how to quell such violence in the sixties. In a culture which had done more to do away with racism, it was revived, like Frankenstein's monster, and given a new and distorted lease on life which persists to this day, aided by a man who sat at the knee of another who preached "God D@mn America!" from the pulpit.
No, friends and neighbors, I would put little past that administration. No matter how outrageous it sounds, no matter how "crazy", the very fruits of their labors require an investigation of even the most outrageous and insane sounding possible plots, with an eye to finding out that they just might be true, because so many of them are.
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I truly believe that we are rapidly approaching the "Fourth Box", unless we have already arrived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty)
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@Smokin Joe
This is excellent.
I would put myself in the camp that while working hard, living a good daily family life, I haven't had time time to keep up with the avalanche of information.
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I've got nothing new to add to this ol saw.
But getting old is funny. I read:
[...] Executive Order Declaring Obama Inedible
:shrug: :silly:
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The fun part of this whole "origins" discussion pretty much proves my earlier point.
The first and chief defense of the Obama Administration, and , in fact, the numerous criminal conspiracies which unfolded and continue to unfold as a result of that administration is this:
If you commit a crime, an unthinkable crime, so outrageous, so convoluted, so well covered up by corruption in key places, the ability to turn on whistle blowers and others who discover that crime and call them "conspiracy theorists" and "kooks" and a host of other derisions is the first and best line of defense--or just have them die in an unfortunate accident or a 'botched robbery' in which nothing of value was taken but their life.
Why, the very idea that some people in the DNC would conspire to have elected an unqualified person to the highest office in the land...
The very idea that the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA might all be compromised and fail to halt the scheme or warn Americans...
The very idea that State and Federal Officials might work to further the deception...
The very idea that that same group might move to Subvert the Constitution, destroy individual Rights, give aid and comfort to our enemies, (not to mention a planeload of cash), destabilize governments, to fundamentally change America just seems a little much for the average person to wrap their head around...all while holding high office in our own government...
The very idea that the major outlets of the media might work as a propaganda arm for this effort....
(Are you ready for the rubber room yet?)
There's just one small problem.
It happened.
We can nit-pick all we want about who did what (or didn't) to expose it all, from the gun running to Mexican Cartels, to shipping Iran pallets of cash, to the 'Arab Spring", and deny small bits of it, we can deny that anything pretty much which could stop American industrial development was done, and anything which might cripple entire economic sectors (how is your health insurance?), or that a SCOTUS justice rewrote legislation to turn a "penalty" we were all assured repeatedly by its authors was, indeed, a penalty and not a tax into the very thing we had been repeatedly assured it was not in order to uphold legislation which required Americans to purchase goods or services against their will, an act itself unthinkable--especially since the Court had to violate the Constitution to do so.
Aside from the very outrageous nature of these acts, there is the fact that there were so many of them, committed in such rapid-fire succession that those watchdogs of our way of life were overwhelmed by the volume and scope of them. Not just ordinary Democrat hijinks, but a full-on full-court press of multiple and ongoing offenses which reeks of malice and forethought and organizational planning. When those who ordinarily keep track of such things are overwhelmed by their scope, number, and intensity, the average schmuck doesn't have a chance. Their eyes glaze over, they know something is wrong, but they can't do anything....they're shell-shocked by that bombardment of outrage, they can't possibly keep up, and the media keep telling them everything is wonderful, even though they know it isn't. So, their eyes glaze over and they resort to the escapes of bread and circuses, provided they can afford either.
Lest we forget, "Community Organizing" was the claimed forte of the ringleader (at least the man standing in the center ring of that circus). From the Judiciary to the Congress, from the intelligence agencies to the media, to foreign assets having unprecedented access to classified material, some of which should not have ever been stored on computers with internet access, much less a private one unencumbered by security protocols, to the simple fact that the perpetrators have never been prosecuted for thousands of admitted offenses that would have (at the least) cost mere mortals their Government jobs, if they did not land in prison.
Where is the media? Either impotently shrieking from the corners or busy covering it all up.
We were told that everything from nasty yoga pants to breezeway upholstery prints were haute couture, while Americans who could barely afford their own phones provided them for millions, while people who worked hard were losing their insurance and being threatened with "taxes" for not buying it, or losing the jobs that had provided it, yet providing medical care for countless others who lived off their efforts, all while the Congress exempted itself from that very same law.
And that is just a few of the high points. We watched as the withdrawal date was announced from Iraq and IS formed, in the ruins of destabilized governments across North Africa and into the Middle East, at least one populated by cronies of people in Cabinet level office, and formidable evil was perpetrated across the region, to the shock and disbelief of America. Those paying attention saw the connection between the cabinet level official and the replacement President of one of those nations, a man later ousted by his own people.
And the whole time the "rich white man", a staple of the envious in identity politics, reeled from economic malaise, he was blamed for every ill which befell the country, and the media made it happen by materially altering the facts surrounding the incidents which became excuses to burn and loot areas of cities, and the Government let them, despite having studied how to quell such violence in the sixties. In a culture which had done more to do away with racism, it was revived, like Frankenstein's monster, and given a new and distorted lease on life which persists to this day, aided by a man who sat at the knee of another who preached "God D@mn America!" from the pulpit.
No, friends and neighbors, I would put little past that administration. No matter how outrageous it sounds, no matter how "crazy", the very fruits of their labors require an investigation of even the most outrageous and insane sounding possible plots, with an eye to finding out that they just might be true, because so many of them are.
@Smokin Joe
Here are the FACTS as I see them.
Bill and Hillary Clinton politicized and corrupted everything they touched from the instant they entered the Whitehouse all in the name of enriching themselves at the expense of the American people.
G.W. Bush, for whatever reason(s) did little to clean that up.
Obama amplified all that the Clintons had done in every possible way to include bringing Hillary into his administration to enable her to continue selling out the interests of the USA as he did everything possible to undermine it.
The result being that we now have a thoroughly corrupt federal government with no effective system of Justice which means that we are thoroughly screwed unless, by some miracle, the President manages to overcome all the hurdles before him and restore our system of justice. I pray for that result but honestly have no idea at this point HOW he would accomplish it
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@Smokin Joe
[...] The result being that we now have a thoroughly corrupt federal government with no effective system of Justice which means that we are thoroughly screwed unless, by some miracle, the President manages to overcome all the hurdles before him and restore our system of justice. I pray for that result but honestly have no idea at this point HOW he would accomplish it.
The President is unstoppable @Bigun But he is only one man. POTUS needs continued and vocal support from the people and the Congress.
Gratefully, one out of the two will work. happy77
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The President is unstoppable @Bigun But he is only one man. POTUS needs continued and vocal support from the people and the Congress.
Gratefully, one out of the two will work. happy77
@Right_in_Virginia
One is all he is likely to get as the Congress is, for the most part, part of the swamp culture and will do everything possible to reserve their swamp.
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@Right_in_Virginia
One is all he is likely to get as the Congress is, for the most part, part of the swamp culture and will do everything possible to reserve their swamp.
I agree. And in all candor, I'm pretty surprised by how deeply our side is anchored in the swamp. It's both enlightening and frightening.
@Bigun
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The fun part of this whole "origins" discussion pretty much proves my earlier point.
The first and chief defense of the Obama Administration, and , in fact, the numerous criminal conspiracies which unfolded and continue to unfold as a result of that administration is this:
If you commit a crime, an unthinkable crime, so outrageous, so convoluted, so well covered up by corruption in key places, the ability to turn on whistle blowers and others who discover that crime and call them "conspiracy theorists" and "kooks" and a host of other derisions is the first and best line of defense--or just have them die in an unfortunate accident or a 'botched robbery' in which nothing of value was taken but their life.
Why, the very idea that some people in the DNC would conspire to have elected an unqualified person to the highest office in the land...
The very idea that the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA might all be compromised and fail to halt the scheme or warn Americans...
The very idea that State and Federal Officials might work to further the deception...
The very idea that that same group might move to Subvert the Constitution, destroy individual Rights, give aid and comfort to our enemies, (not to mention a planeload of cash), destabilize governments, to fundamentally change America just seems a little much for the average person to wrap their head around...all while holding high office in our own government...
The very idea that the major outlets of the media might work as a propaganda arm for this effort....
(Are you ready for the rubber room yet?)
There's just one small problem.
It happened.
We can nit-pick all we want about who did what (or didn't) to expose it all, from the gun running to Mexican Cartels, to shipping Iran pallets of cash, to the 'Arab Spring", and deny small bits of it, we can deny that anything pretty much which could stop American industrial development was done, and anything which might cripple entire economic sectors (how is your health insurance?), or that a SCOTUS justice rewrote legislation to turn a "penalty" we were all assured repeatedly by its authors was, indeed, a penalty and not a tax into the very thing we had been repeatedly assured it was not in order to uphold legislation which required Americans to purchase goods or services against their will, an act itself unthinkable--especially since the Court had to violate the Constitution to do so.
Aside from the very outrageous nature of these acts, there is the fact that there were so many of them, committed in such rapid-fire succession that those watchdogs of our way of life were overwhelmed by the volume and scope of them. Not just ordinary Democrat hijinks, but a full-on full-court press of multiple and ongoing offenses which reeks of malice and forethought and organizational planning. When those who ordinarily keep track of such things are overwhelmed by their scope, number, and intensity, the average schmuck doesn't have a chance. Their eyes glaze over, they know something is wrong, but they can't do anything....they're shell-shocked by that bombardment of outrage, they can't possibly keep up, and the media keep telling them everything is wonderful, even though they know it isn't. So, their eyes glaze over and they resort to the escapes of bread and circuses, provided they can afford either.
Lest we forget, "Community Organizing" was the claimed forte of the ringleader (at least the man standing in the center ring of that circus). From the Judiciary to the Congress, from the intelligence agencies to the media, to foreign assets having unprecedented access to classified material, some of which should not have ever been stored on computers with internet access, much less a private one unencumbered by security protocols, to the simple fact that the perpetrators have never been prosecuted for thousands of admitted offenses that would have (at the least) cost mere mortals their Government jobs, if they did not land in prison.
Where is the media? Either impotently shrieking from the corners or busy covering it all up.
We were told that everything from nasty yoga pants to breezeway upholstery prints were haute couture, while Americans who could barely afford their own phones provided them for millions, while people who worked hard were losing their insurance and being threatened with "taxes" for not buying it, or losing the jobs that had provided it, yet providing medical care for countless others who lived off their efforts, all while the Congress exempted itself from that very same law.
And that is just a few of the high points. We watched as the withdrawal date was announced from Iraq and IS formed, in the ruins of destabilized governments across North Africa and into the Middle East, at least one populated by cronies of people in Cabinet level office, and formidable evil was perpetrated across the region, to the shock and disbelief of America. Those paying attention saw the connection between the cabinet level official and the replacement President of one of those nations, a man later ousted by his own people.
And the whole time the "rich white man", a staple of the envious in identity politics, reeled from economic malaise, he was blamed for every ill which befell the country, and the media made it happen by materially altering the facts surrounding the incidents which became excuses to burn and loot areas of cities, and the Government let them, despite having studied how to quell such violence in the sixties. In a culture which had done more to do away with racism, it was revived, like Frankenstein's monster, and given a new and distorted lease on life which persists to this day, aided by a man who sat at the knee of another who preached "God D@mn America!" from the pulpit.
No, friends and neighbors, I would put little past that administration. No matter how outrageous it sounds, no matter how "crazy", the very fruits of their labors require an investigation of even the most outrageous and insane sounding possible plots, with an eye to finding out that they just might be true, because so many of them are.
Terrific summary, @Smokin Joe !
What also makes it difficult is that the wheels of justice at that level move too slowly.
To put investigations into hyper-speed would let the media rile up people that much quicker.
What I'm praying is about to happen come October...multiple events will have become public giving us more than a peek/tease at the level of corruption and treason/sedition was being conducted in our Justice Department and FBI/CIA/NSA.
And it laid on Barack Obama's lap. And Hillary's lap.
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Terrific summary, @roamer_1 !
That wasn't me @DCPatriot ... That was my good friend @Smokin Joe .
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Sorry, not getting it. I am a girl. Whether it suits anyone's agenda or not.
If you have the power your birth certificate will show anything. Boys do wear Burkas in some occasions.
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@Quix
@Sanguine
@Victoria33
@CatherineofAragon
The fun part of this whole "origins" discussion pretty much proves my earlier point.
The first and chief defense of the Obama Administration, and , in fact, the numerous criminal conspiracies which unfolded and continue to unfold as a result of that administration is this:
If you commit a crime, an unthinkable crime, so outrageous, so convoluted, so well covered up by corruption in key places, the ability to turn on whistle blowers and others who discover that crime and call them "conspiracy theorists" and "kooks" and a host of other derisions is the first and best line of defense--or just have them die in an unfortunate accident or a 'botched robbery' in which nothing of value was taken but their life.
Why, the very idea that some people in the DNC would conspire to have elected an unqualified person to the highest office in the land...
The very idea that the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA might all be compromised and fail to halt the scheme or warn Americans...
The very idea that State and Federal Officials might work to further the deception...
The very idea that that same group might move to Subvert the Constitution, destroy individual Rights, give aid and comfort to our enemies, (not to mention a planeload of cash), destabilize governments, to fundamentally change America just seems a little much for the average person to wrap their head around...all while holding high office in our own government...
The very idea that the major outlets of the media might work as a propaganda arm for this effort....
(Are you ready for the rubber room yet?)
There's just one small problem.
It happened.
We can nit-pick all we want about who did what (or didn't) to expose it all, from the gun running to Mexican Cartels, to shipping Iran pallets of cash, to the 'Arab Spring", and deny small bits of it, we can deny that anything pretty much which could stop American industrial development was done, and anything which might cripple entire economic sectors (how is your health insurance?), or that a SCOTUS justice rewrote legislation to turn a "penalty" we were all assured repeatedly by its authors was, indeed, a penalty and not a tax into the very thing we had been repeatedly assured it was not in order to uphold legislation which required Americans to purchase goods or services against their will, an act itself unthinkable--especially since the Court had to violate the Constitution to do so.
Aside from the very outrageous nature of these acts, there is the fact that there were so many of them, committed in such rapid-fire succession that those watchdogs of our way of life were overwhelmed by the volume and scope of them. Not just ordinary Democrat hijinks, but a full-on full-court press of multiple and ongoing offenses which reeks of malice and forethought and organizational planning. When those who ordinarily keep track of such things are overwhelmed by their scope, number, and intensity, the average schmuck doesn't have a chance. Their eyes glaze over, they know something is wrong, but they can't do anything....they're shell-shocked by that bombardment of outrage, they can't possibly keep up, and the media keep telling them everything is wonderful, even though they know it isn't. So, their eyes glaze over and they resort to the escapes of bread and circuses, provided they can afford either.
Lest we forget, "Community Organizing" was the claimed forte of the ringleader (at least the man standing in the center ring of that circus). From the Judiciary to the Congress, from the intelligence agencies to the media, to foreign assets having unprecedented access to classified material, some of which should not have ever been stored on computers with internet access, much less a private one unencumbered by security protocols, to the simple fact that the perpetrators have never been prosecuted for thousands of admitted offenses that would have (at the least) cost mere mortals their Government jobs, if they did not land in prison.
Where is the media? Either impotently shrieking from the corners or busy covering it all up.
We were told that everything from nasty yoga pants to breezeway upholstery prints were haute couture, while Americans who could barely afford their own phones provided them for millions, while people who worked hard were losing their insurance and being threatened with "taxes" for not buying it, or losing the jobs that had provided it, yet providing medical care for countless others who lived off their efforts, all while the Congress exempted itself from that very same law.
And that is just a few of the high points. We watched as the withdrawal date was announced from Iraq and IS formed, in the ruins of destabilized governments across North Africa and into the Middle East, at least one populated by cronies of people in Cabinet level office, and formidable evil was perpetrated across the region, to the shock and disbelief of America. Those paying attention saw the connection between the cabinet level official and the replacement President of one of those nations, a man later ousted by his own people.
And the whole time the "rich white man", a staple of the envious in identity politics, reeled from economic malaise, he was blamed for every ill which befell the country, and the media made it happen by materially altering the facts surrounding the incidents which became excuses to burn and loot areas of cities, and the Government let them, despite having studied how to quell such violence in the sixties. In a culture which had done more to do away with racism, it was revived, like Frankenstein's monster, and given a new and distorted lease on life which persists to this day, aided by a man who sat at the knee of another who preached "God D@mn America!" from the pulpit.
No, friends and neighbors, I would put little past that administration. No matter how outrageous it sounds, no matter how "crazy", the very fruits of their labors require an investigation of even the most outrageous and insane sounding possible plots, with an eye to finding out that they just might be true, because so many of them are.
Ping to Victoria33 and CatherineofAragon: Joe's eloquent essay provides a very good summary concerning the massive conspiracy that Trump is slowly and methodically dismantling, necessarily under the public radar. After reading the whole essay, I would urge you to focus on this one paragraph:
No, friends and neighbors, I would put little past that administration. No matter how outrageous it sounds, no matter how "crazy", the very fruits of their labors require an investigation of even the most outrageous and insane sounding possible plots, with an eye to finding out that they just might be true, because so many of them are.
I will now go on record as saying that the Birth Certificate fraud--the main topic of this thread and the specific topic that triggered Joes' post--is only one of the "insane-sounding" things that is overdue for complete elucidation. (Joe obviously agrees with me, but it bears re-emphasizing.) Obama's citizenship fraud is extraordinarily shocking in itself, but some of the as-yet-unrevealed crimes perpetrated by the Global Socialist Cabal are UNIMAGINABLY EVIL. I flatly submit that these crimes include some of the stuff that Quix and I have been warning you about on Quix's Qanon thread.
Alas, the very UNIMAGINABLENESS of the Cabal's crimes tend to make them UNBELIEVABLY evil. In other words, most folks CANNOT, WILL NOT BELIEVE the awful reports that are already available. The exercise of facing the awful truth takes more moral courage than most people have. (It's one of the reasons why the worst of the Cabal's conspirators will not be tried in civilian courts.)
Weirdest of all, Marshall McLuhan would say that the public's fearful incredulity is precisely what affords the Cabal its greatest sort of protection for its very worst crimes. Please do not be even inadvertently complicit in protecting evils that need to be exposed.
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The fun part of this whole "origins" discussion pretty much proves my earlier point.
The first and chief defense of the Obama Administration, and , in fact, the numerous criminal conspiracies which unfolded and continue to unfold as a result of that administration is this:
If you commit a crime, an unthinkable crime, so outrageous, so convoluted, so well covered up by corruption in key places, the ability to turn on whistle blowers and others who discover that crime and call them "conspiracy theorists" and "kooks" and a host of other derisions is the first and best line of defense--or just have them die in an unfortunate accident or a 'botched robbery' in which nothing of value was taken but their life.
Why, the very idea that some people in the DNC would conspire to have elected an unqualified person to the highest office in the land...
The very idea that the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA might all be compromised and fail to halt the scheme or warn Americans...
The very idea that State and Federal Officials might work to further the deception...
The very idea that that same group might move to Subvert the Constitution, destroy individual Rights, give aid and comfort to our enemies, (not to mention a planeload of cash), destabilize governments, to fundamentally change America just seems a little much for the average person to wrap their head around...all while holding high office in our own government...
The very idea that the major outlets of the media might work as a propaganda arm for this effort....
(Are you ready for the rubber room yet?)
There's just one small problem.
It happened.
We can nit-pick all we want about who did what (or didn't) to expose it all, from the gun running to Mexican Cartels, to shipping Iran pallets of cash, to the 'Arab Spring", and deny small bits of it, we can deny that anything pretty much which could stop American industrial development was done, and anything which might cripple entire economic sectors (how is your health insurance?), or that a SCOTUS justice rewrote legislation to turn a "penalty" we were all assured repeatedly by its authors was, indeed, a penalty and not a tax into the very thing we had been repeatedly assured it was not in order to uphold legislation which required Americans to purchase goods or services against their will, an act itself unthinkable--especially since the Court had to violate the Constitution to do so.
Aside from the very outrageous nature of these acts, there is the fact that there were so many of them, committed in such rapid-fire succession that those watchdogs of our way of life were overwhelmed by the volume and scope of them. Not just ordinary Democrat hijinks, but a full-on full-court press of multiple and ongoing offenses which reeks of malice and forethought and organizational planning. When those who ordinarily keep track of such things are overwhelmed by their scope, number, and intensity, the average schmuck doesn't have a chance. Their eyes glaze over, they know something is wrong, but they can't do anything....they're shell-shocked by that bombardment of outrage, they can't possibly keep up, and the media keep telling them everything is wonderful, even though they know it isn't. So, their eyes glaze over and they resort to the escapes of bread and circuses, provided they can afford either.
Lest we forget, "Community Organizing" was the claimed forte of the ringleader (at least the man standing in the center ring of that circus). From the Judiciary to the Congress, from the intelligence agencies to the media, to foreign assets having unprecedented access to classified material, some of which should not have ever been stored on computers with internet access, much less a private one unencumbered by security protocols, to the simple fact that the perpetrators have never been prosecuted for thousands of admitted offenses that would have (at the least) cost mere mortals their Government jobs, if they did not land in prison.
Where is the media? Either impotently shrieking from the corners or busy covering it all up.
We were told that everything from nasty yoga pants to breezeway upholstery prints were haute couture, while Americans who could barely afford their own phones provided them for millions, while people who worked hard were losing their insurance and being threatened with "taxes" for not buying it, or losing the jobs that had provided it, yet providing medical care for countless others who lived off their efforts, all while the Congress exempted itself from that very same law.
And that is just a few of the high points. We watched as the withdrawal date was announced from Iraq and IS formed, in the ruins of destabilized governments across North Africa and into the Middle East, at least one populated by cronies of people in Cabinet level office, and formidable evil was perpetrated across the region, to the shock and disbelief of America. Those paying attention saw the connection between the cabinet level official and the replacement President of one of those nations, a man later ousted by his own people.
And the whole time the "rich white man", a staple of the envious in identity politics, reeled from economic malaise, he was blamed for every ill which befell the country, and the media made it happen by materially altering the facts surrounding the incidents which became excuses to burn and loot areas of cities, and the Government let them, despite having studied how to quell such violence in the sixties. In a culture which had done more to do away with racism, it was revived, like Frankenstein's monster, and given a new and distorted lease on life which persists to this day, aided by a man who sat at the knee of another who preached "God D@mn America!" from the pulpit.
No, friends and neighbors, I would put little past that administration. No matter how outrageous it sounds, no matter how "crazy", the very fruits of their labors require an investigation of even the most outrageous and insane sounding possible plots, with an eye to finding out that they just might be true, because so many of them are.
@SmokinJoe. EXCELLENT! Well said. ^5.
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The President is unstoppable @Bigun But he is only one man. POTUS needs continued and vocal support from the people and the Congress.
Gratefully, one out of the two will work. happy77
Right on, Right in Virginia! THAT,,,is why, I will not bash, this very good man and what he is saying or trying to do, for NO PAY!
Most don't get being patriotic or supporting his policies or agenda. They start saying things like,,,,well you know. Trump is not my god.
I see the bigger picture. I support my president, and my country. Those who don't get that,,,,something wrong with the thinking.
It is NOT about "me", as many post. They think it is about ,,,THEM. It is about our country!
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uh huh
Your best bet is to stick to fantasy writing.
kudos
Bent Knee.
Is there a username with Bent Knee? If not, You lost my support with that bent knee baloney. Love America or leave it.
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That wasn't me @DCPatriot ... That was my good friend @Smokin Joe .
...oops, fixed it! :bolt:
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I'm not sure what to say.
My first vote in a Presidential election was cast for Ronald Reagan, so this ain't my first rodeo.
I know you'd like to think so, but trust me,you are not telling me anything I hadn't heard before.
YEARS AGO.
I posted that to DOC. No answer is required. I realize any one can respond. But why? It was for THE DOC, In response to his post.
Best wishes.
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Ping to Victoria33 and CatherineofAragon: Joe's eloquent essay provides a very good summary concerning the massive conspiracy that Trump is slowly and methodically dismantling, necessarily under the public radar. After reading the whole essay, I would urge you to focus on this one paragraph:
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No, friends and neighbors, I would put little past that administration. No matter how outrageous it sounds, no matter how "crazy", the very fruits of their labors require an investigation of even the most outrageous and insane sounding possible plots, with an eye to finding out that they just might be true, because so many of them are.
I will now go on record as saying that the Birth Certificate fraud--the main topic of this thread and the specific topic that triggered Joes' post--is only one of the "insane-sounding" things that is overdue for complete elucidation. (Joe obviously agrees with me, but it bears re-emphasizing.) Obama's citizenship fraud is extraordinarily shocking in itself, but some of the as-yet-unrevealed crimes perpetrated by the Global Socialist Cabal are UNIMAGINABLY EVIL. I flatly submit that these crimes include some of the stuff that Quix and I have been warning you about on Quix's Qanon thread.
Alas, the very UNIMAGINABLENESS of the Cabal's crimes tend to make them UNBELIEVABLY evil. In other words, most folks CANNOT, WILL NOT BELIEVE the awful reports that are already available. The exercise of facing the awful truth takes more moral courage than most people have. (It's one of the reasons why the worst of the Cabal's conspirators will not be tried in civilian courts.)
Weirdest of all, Marshall McLuhan would say that the public's fearful incredulity is precisely what affords the Cabal its greatest sort of protection for its very worst crimes. Please do not be even inadvertently complicit in protecting evils that need to be exposed.
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Another great post by THE DOC. I feel better about living in America, with great people like this in our country. Same with Right in Virginia .
DC patriot,,,Some others, I may have missed acknowledging. THANK YOU!
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@LegalAmerican
To ping someone place the @ in front of their handle.
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Another great post by THE DOC. I feel better about living in America, with great people like this in our country. Same with Right in Virginia .
DC patriot,,,Some others, I may have missed acknowledging. THANK YOU!
You're among friends here, @LegalAmerican Open arms welcome here!
The more rabid NTs here at this point have gone the route of Pontius Pilate...washing their hands of the Trump Administration.
They may like the policy accomplishments/cruise but they hate Pres./'captain'.
So, they enjoy and gorge on the 24 hr. buffet and entertainment....raise a lot of hell.
You just have to wade past them and not be compelled to respond to every perceived insult thrown your way. (But then, perhaps, I'm just worn out)
Me? I might just lurk for days. Only thing that brings me out is when I trip over bullshit. Some recent threads going 10 pages or more....haven't even clicked on them once.
Have noticed that they fight without my participation. :laugh:
When Donald Trump is the subject, we're essentially one big family here.
it's just that we're stuck in a Groundhog Day loop .....Thanksgiving with the nose-in-the-air relatives who always think they're the smartest person in the room.
Welcome! 888high58888
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Is there a username with Bent Knee? If not, You lost my support with that bent knee baloney. Love America or leave it.
There is. But not in a way that billions understand.
The fundamental change that came to Amerika began with the assassination of JFK. The apple in one's eye would have culminated with the election of HRC.
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There is. But not in a way that billions understand.
The fundamental change that came to Amerika began with the assassination of JFK. The apple in one's eye would have culminated with the election of HRC.
Ok. Thank you for the explanation. We are friends, if you want, and I agree with your post. Nov.22. 1963. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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You're among friends here, @LegalAmerican Open arms welcome here!
The more rabid NTs here at this point have gone the route of Pontius Pilate...washing their hands of the Trump Administration.
They may like the policy accomplishments/cruise but they hate Pres./'captain'.
So, they enjoy and gorge on the 24 hr. buffet and entertainment....raise a lot of hell.
You just have to wade past them and not be compelled to respond to every perceived insult thrown your way. (But then, perhaps, I'm just worn out)
Me? I might just lurk for days. Only thing that brings me out is when I trip over bullshit. Some recent threads going 10 pages or more....haven't even clicked on them once.
Have noticed that they fight without my participation. :laugh:
When Donald Trump is the subject, we're essentially one big family here.
it's just that we're stuck in a Groundhog Day loop .....Thanksgiving with the nose-in-the-air relatives who always think they're the smartest person in the room.
Welcome! 888high58888
Excellent advise . I have about 25 on ignore. No need to read soul destroying posts by "them". Good analogy. :thumbsup:
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Ok. Thank you for the explanation. We are friends, if you want, and I agree with your post. Nov.22. 1963. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
We are friends. I do not have the eloquence of speech, of some of the most esteemed members of this forum demonstrate... @Smokin Joe ... or most of the rest.
de facto and de jure
The comparableness. On topic.
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The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)
Emmerich de Vattel
BOOK 1, CHAPTER 19
Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
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The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)
Emmerich de Vattel
BOOK 1, CHAPTER 19
Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Yep! That's definitely the definition the founders were familiar with and endorsed.
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THANKS for the ping. Many excellent points all around, Smokin Joe and the_doc et al.
The looming disclosures about HRC and other senior (& some lower) folks raping babies, toddlers; torturing them to intensify the adrenochrome harvest from the kids; then hacking them to pieces & eating their body parts in a satanic ritual will certainly rock many to their foundation. Many hereon understandably remain incredulous and disbelieving. Nevertheless, the facts will be abundantly proven in due course.
It remains to be seen THEN how many "patriots" and "Christians" will REMAIN disbelieving of such hideousness and how many will THEN realize they have been sold a bill of goods that they have swallowed hook, line & sinker.
Macaulay Caulkin's narrative on my SWAMP thread is horrifically telling--including about the red shoes made from murdered children's skin--but absolutely true. If folks do not have the spiritual discernment to KNOW that, I feel sorry for them but I cannot stop outlining the nature of the horrors that POTUS and team are meticulously and methodically working to eradicate and bring justice to bear thereon.
My role as a Watchman on the wall at Abba's orders is more important to me than even loved ones' approval.
I do suggest that folks do whatever they can to WAKE-UP/red-pill themselves as early as possible. Becoming even temporarily catatonic when the masses are doing so will not be the optimum state of affairs at that time.
People who have serious RAD such that their genetics and childhood and later conditioning have left them with an absolute paranoia of a 'false positive error' . . . such that their HYPER-SUPER-RATIONALIST-LABORATORY-PROOF-CRITERIA stuff automatically neuters to disallows stacks of significant evidence they immediately trash . . . such folks will highly likely eventually be confronted with sufficient 'proof' that convinces even their well insulated noggins. However, some will likely be soooo entrenched in their hyper-narrow and hyper rigid criteria for truth that they will still insist that solid facts are not facts. They will be most pitiable at that point.
Seething Frog 17 AUG 2018 has some good things to say on such scores:
"QAnon Focuses on Podestas & We Go Deeper into Secret Societies"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-YKv6LnChE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-YKv6LnChE)
@Quix
@Sanguine
@Victoria33
@CatherineofAragon
Ping to Victoria33 and CatherineofAragon: Joe's eloquent essay provides a very good summary concerning the massive conspiracy that Trump is slowly and methodically dismantling, necessarily under the public radar. After reading the whole essay, I would urge you to focus on this one paragraph:
I will now go on record as saying that the Birth Certificate fraud--the main topic of this thread and the specific topic that triggered Joes' post--is only one of the "insane-sounding" things that is overdue for complete elucidation. (Joe obviously agrees with me, but it bears re-emphasizing.) Obama's citizenship fraud is extraordinarily shocking in itself, but some of the as-yet-unrevealed crimes perpetrated by the Global Socialist Cabal are UNIMAGINABLY EVIL. I flatly submit that these crimes include some of the stuff that Quix and I have been warning you about on Quix's Qanon thread.
Alas, the very UNIMAGINABLENESS of the Cabal's crimes tend to make them UNBELIEVABLY evil. In other words, most folks CANNOT, WILL NOT BELIEVE the awful reports that are already available. The exercise of facing the awful truth takes more moral courage than most people have. (It's one of the reasons why the worst of the Cabal's conspirators will not be tried in civilian courts.)
Weirdest of all, Marshall McLuhan would say that the public's fearful incredulity is precisely what affords the Cabal its greatest sort of protection for its very worst crimes. Please do not be even inadvertently complicit in protecting evils that need to be exposed.
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There is. But not in a way that billions understand.
The fundamental change that came to Amerika began with the assassination of JFK. The apple in one's eye would have culminated with the election of HRC.
The ROT was inserted into our Republic well before JFK--particularly in the halls of power. The oligarchy bought out the major newspapers in 1915 and 1917. They have extended their mass propaganda and mass hypnosis powers and orgs massively since then.
The tentacles of the Rothschilds have been manipulating, bleeding, thieving, abusing the citizens and our best and brightest for a long time.
THE BABYLON CODE documents it going back to Babylon. Others have traced it back 400 years. Others to Rome. I think THE BABYLON CODE is right.
And the recent Bath... satanic idol set up in Arkansas is merely one blip of a confirmation of that.
JFK was merely another of their more brazen more public examples of their murderous manipulations of the body politic.
They have schemed in darkened rooms and moved chess pieces around in darkened rooms. God is currently in a major project using POTUS TRUMP to expose a lot of such hideousness from hell by shining GOD'S LIGHT--searing cauterizing, obliterating light on such evils.
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The ROT was inserted into our Republic well before JFK--particularly in the halls of power. The oligarchy bought out the major newspapers in 1915 and 1917. They have extended their mass propaganda and mass hypnosis powers and orgs massively since then.
The tentacles of the Rothschilds have been manipulating, bleeding, thieving, abusing the citizens and our best and brightest for a long time.
THE BABYLON CODE documents it going back to Babylon. Others have traced it back 400 years. Others to Rome. I think THE BABYLON CODE is right.
And the recent Bath... satanic idol set up in Arkansas is merely one blip of a confirmation of that.
JFK was merely another of their more brazen more public examples of their murderous manipulations of the body politic.
They have schemed in darkened rooms and moved chess pieces around in darkened rooms. God is currently in a major project using POTUS TRUMP to expose a lot of such hideousness from hell by shining GOD'S LIGHT--searing cauterizing, obliterating light on such evils.
Thank you. Thank you. The N.T.'s and lefts, have no idea. They post how it makes THEM FEEL,,not what is good for the COUNTRY. They are more important, over it, all! President Trump is HUMAN. We know that. But of course,,"they" are so much better,,,then he is. :shrug:
:hands: :hands: :hands:
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Transformation of America by Cathy O'Brien. She speaks to some of that by Quix. Makes president Trump a saint!
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Transformation of America by Cathy O'Brien. She speaks to some of that by Quix. Makes president Trump a saint!
Is this the book you are referring to @LegalAmerican?
https://www.amazon.com/TRANCE-Formation-America-story-control-ebook/dp/B00PF19VY0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534632170&sr=8-1&keywords=Transformation+of+America+by+Cathy+O%27Brien (https://www.amazon.com/TRANCE-Formation-America-story-control-ebook/dp/B00PF19VY0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534632170&sr=8-1&keywords=Transformation+of+America+by+Cathy+O%27Brien)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/513js+7aQCL._AC_US218_.jpg)
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@bigheadfred
JFK was merely another of their more brazen more public examples of their murderous manipulations of the body politic.
The Cabal didn't become sophisticated ("modern") until around 1900 (in London, of all places). But the conspiracy is spiritual in pervasively terrible ways, and I do see the connection all the way back to the Mystery Religion of Babylon.
There is nothing new under the sun (or in the dark, either).
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The implication and education of the Mystery schools are not lost to me.
That the implementation of certain policies and the formation of certain groups in the early years of the 1900's are not lost to me.
My reference to JFK is experiential in regards to my own life and the understanding of it.
Like I said. I lack the eloquence of writing down my thoughts in the, or in a, manner that many of you do.
"There is nothing new under the sun". Ah, grasshopper, there is. It is YOU.
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Thank you. Thank you. The N.T.'s and lefts, have no idea. They post how it makes THEM FEEL,,not what is good for the COUNTRY. They are more important, over it, all! President Trump is HUMAN. We know that. But of course,,"they" are so much better,,,then he is. :shrug:
:hands:
:hands:
Thanks for your encouraging words. AMEN!
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The implication and education of the Mystery schools are not lost to me.
That the implementation of certain policies and the formation of certain groups in the early years of the 1900's are not lost to me.
My reference to JFK is experiential in regards to my own life and the understanding of it.
Like I said. I lack the eloquence of writing down my thoughts in the, or in a, manner that many of you do.
"There is nothing new under the sun". Ah, grasshopper, there is. It is YOU.
imho, you do quite fine with words. I often appreciate your content.
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@bigheadfred
The Cabal didn't become sophisticated ("modern") until around 1900 (in London, of all places). But the conspiracy is spiritual in pervasively terrible ways, and I do see the connection all the way back to the Mystery Religion of Babylon.
There is nothing new under the sun (or in the dark, either).
Quite so. Quite So.
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Transformation of America by Cathy O'Brien. She speaks to some of that by Quix. Makes president Trump a saint!
POTUS TRUMP Is quite human as much of his past illustrates annoyingly to outrageously. A number of Bible greats were worse.
It is evident to me that he has been discipled the last 10 years by some quality Christians. And, that the weekly prayer--laying hands on him and earnestly praying for him in person--and whatever counsel he may get at such times and from his Spiritual mentors--he IS growing in The Lord. His desire to be known as the MOST PRAYING President in all of history is heart-felt.
God has blessed him with a 156 IQ and a resolute, goal-directed persistence and tenacity that is serving him and the Republic well.
I pray earnestly for his Wisdom from God, Humility from God and for his protection and that he, Melania and Barron will share a lot of Godly affection publicly and privately. I pray that he will grow so much in humility that he elevates his staff and wife above his own achievements automatically--without even having to think about doing so. I trust God will answer that prayer--particularly if you share in it.
I understand the cries of narcissism. And not without cause. However, I've also seen a growing compassion (that was evidently always there) and even a humility that truly seeks the welfare of others--not just staff and family--but misc. characters on the street, in the highways and byways of The Republic. That is his authentic personality and character. It is not 'just for show and politics.'
May God Yehovah have His full way with POTUS TRUMP, supernaturally lead, protect and anoint him. Amen.
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Damn, @DCPatriot you make it sound like us NT'ers (whatever that is) is akin to this.
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/2a/07/02/2a07024c4f25cf532737443161e0f198.jpg)
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Mike Zullo Connects Former Intelligence Officials to Obama Birth Certificate, Phony Narrative
On Saturday, August 18, 2018
Mike Zullo was the first guest on Carl Gallups’s “Freedom Friday†to speak about recent reports of internet censorship and the “taking away of security clearances,†as introduced by Gallups.
Zullo went on to say that he believes Trump is “putting it all together†after finding that the named individuals “are not to be trusted.â€
Zullo pointed out that “at the height of the Cold War,†Brennan voted for a communist for president, which Zullo said makes Brennan “an enemy of capitalism†and of the United States. Zullo questioned how Brennan acquired his security clearance as a result.
“John Brennan is also known as having to lie to the House Intelligence Committee concerning some details about the Clinton campaign funding and the fake Trump dossier,†Zullo said.
Gallups recounted for the audience that Zullo had previously said that “all roads will lead back to John Brennan†and that CIA “urls†were detected as having breached Hawaii government and historical records prior to the publication of the “long-form†birth certificate image.
Zullo responded that information he has possessed indicates from “top intelligence people†that “it has been an open secret in the intelligence community and DC that Obama could never satisfy the constitutional requirement of being born on American soil.â€
Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution requires the president to be a “natural born Citizen.â€
He then connected former “intelligence community†leaders including Brennan, Clapper, James Comey, and Hayden “are now embroiled in this soft coup to destroy the presidency of the United States.â€
Gallups recalled that the media ridiculed anyone who questioned Obama’s birth or life narrative, coining the term “birthers.â€
More: https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/18/mike-zullo-connects-former-intelligence-officials-to-obama-birth-certificate-phony-narrative/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/18/mike-zullo-connects-former-intelligence-officials-to-obama-birth-certificate-phony-narrative/)
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I thought that Birther Joe had some goods regarding Obama's Birth Certificate.
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I thought that Birther Joe had some goods regarding Obama's Birth Certificate.
He did and he presented them.
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He did and he presented them.
The probe concluded in late 2016 with a press conference on December 15 in which Zullo revealed that two well-credentialed forensic document examiners reached the same conclusion as he had years before: that the long-form image purported to represent Obama’s original birth certificate from the state of Hawaii is a “computer-generated forgery.â€
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The probe concluded in late 2016 with a press conference on December 15 in which Zullo revealed that two well-credentialed forensic document examiners reached the same conclusion as he had years before: that the long-form image purported to represent Obama’s original birth certificate from the state of Hawaii is a “computer-generated forgery.â€
Right...
Sorry I happen to believe the State of Hawaii..
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Right...
Sorry I happen to believe the State of Hawaii..
"the long-form image purported to represent Obama’s original birth certificate from the state of Hawaii"
It was not FROM the state of Hawaii.
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@LegalAmerican
@Chosen Daughter
The question I was responding to is whether Obama could be prosecuted for perpetrating a fraud. The answer from a legal standpoint is no. He has gone to extensive lengths to establish that it is/was his personal and firm belief that he was born in HI. Among the many witnesses he could call is his former WH counsel [whose testimony would carry weight in a court of law]. Against this evidence there are no witnesses that I'm aware of who could make the case that Obama believes he was not born in HI. In such a scenario Obama wins with ease.
Iow, from a legal standpoint, you can't present a case on the basis of, "Well I and X-number of people believe Obama was born in Kenya, therefore Obama must believe it too." You'd be laughed out of court.
Even supposing you could prove Obama wasn't born in HI, that's still not proving he KNEW he wasn't born there. All Obama has to do is swear that the people he trusted--his mother, grandmother, etc.--told him he was born in HI and he believed them. How would you PROVE he was lying?
Bottom line: the only way Obama could be prosecuted for fraud is if it could be proven that he knew he wasn't born in HI. There are really only two ways to succeed in such a case. First, the production of written evidence originating from Obama himself to the effect that he was aware of his non-Hawaiin birth. Second, the production of witnesses who would be willing to swear that Obama told them he is foreign born. Afaik, no such evidence or witnesses exist.
This isn't legalism. It's just the facts.
The best we can do at this point, realistically, is simply to expose the fraud that was perpetrated on the country. Obama doesn't go to jail, but he goes down in history as a person who was foisted upon the American voters via lies and skulduggery. It would further tarnish his sorry legacy as well as vastly reduce the likelihood of such a scam succeeding in the future.
His grandmother said he was born in Kenya.
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@Quix
@Sanguine
@Victoria33
@CatherineofAragon
Ping to Victoria33 and CatherineofAragon: Joe's eloquent essay provides a very good summary concerning the massive conspiracy that Trump is slowly and methodically dismantling, necessarily under the public radar. After reading the whole essay, I would urge you to focus on this one paragraph:
I will now go on record as saying that the Birth Certificate fraud--the main topic of this thread and the specific topic that triggered Joes' post--is only one of the "insane-sounding" things that is overdue for complete elucidation. (Joe obviously agrees with me, but it bears re-emphasizing.) Obama's citizenship fraud is extraordinarily shocking in itself, but some of the as-yet-unrevealed crimes perpetrated by the Global Socialist Cabal are UNIMAGINABLY EVIL. I flatly submit that these crimes include some of the stuff that Quix and I have been warning you about on Quix's Qanon thread.
Alas, the very UNIMAGINABLENESS of the Cabal's crimes tend to make them UNBELIEVABLY evil. In other words, most folks CANNOT, WILL NOT BELIEVE the awful reports that are already available. The exercise of facing the awful truth takes more moral courage than most people have. (It's one of the reasons why the worst of the Cabal's conspirators will not be tried in civilian courts.)
Weirdest of all, Marshall McLuhan would say that the public's fearful incredulity is precisely what affords the Cabal its greatest sort of protection for its very worst crimes. Please do not be even inadvertently complicit in protecting evils that need to be exposed.
@the_doc
Everybody on the forum could agree with you, and your urging still wouldn’t affect my dismissal of the most nutty & obviously absurd conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard in my life.
You want to use former crooked, unethical, and/or illegal Democrat/ media practices to prove the Q stuff, but proof is not “well, they did that, so they might have/could have done this.†It’s nothing more than imagination and wishful thinking, especially when what you’re trying to prove amounts to finding Bigfoot.
The latest thing is red shoes made from the skins of children, right? I’m going to sign off and let you wonder who I really am.
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I posted that to DOC. No answer is required. I realize any one can respond. But why? It was for THE DOC, In response to his post.
Best wishes.
That's cute.
The post you sent to DOC was about me.
So, heck yes, I'm going to respond, whether or not you feel an answer is required or not.
If you are going to talk about me, I will respond.
Get used to it.
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"Alas, the very UNIMAGINABLENESS of the Cabal's crimes tend to make them UNBELIEVABLY evil. In other words, most folks CANNOT, WILL NOT BELIEVE the awful reports that are already available. The exercise of facing the awful truth takes more moral courage than most people have. (It's one of the reasons why the worst of the Cabal's conspirators will not be tried in civilian courts.)
..most folks CANNOT, WILL NOT BELIEVE the awful reports that are already available. The exercise of facing the awful truth takes more moral courage than most people have."
@the_doc
@CatherineofAragon
@mystery-ak
You are over reacting. Our world is not coming to an end if people committed crimes, are arrested and taken to court. You think we can't believe this, that we won't believe it, that it is so terrible we don't have the "moral courage" to accept it. You don't know any of us personally, so you don't know what we would think. It means nothing to me no matter what it is as I can't do anything about it. My life won't change one bit.
There are terrible people all over the world who do terrible acts. There are over 300 million people in this country and some of them do terrible things; some are rich and some are poor and some are in the middle of being rich or poor.
It was part of my job to psychologically test and counsel CAREER CRIMINALS. I have heard it all. From them I learned how to get your prostitute to obey you. Lock her in a closet naked with her hands tied and leave her there a few days - she will obey you then. I know how to kill someone and dispose of the body so no one will find it. One man, as soon as he got out of prison, found the man who had squealed on him that put him in prison, and he killed him and buried him in his back yard. I asked why he buried him in his back yard. He said he had to get him out of his car as he didn't want blood inside his car. The body was found and he was sent back to prison. He was sent to me after that last prison term.
One man should not have been sent to prison. He was mentally retarded and took some tires from a car repair place IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. He didn't know that was a crime - he just took the tires.
So, no matter what these people, rich and well known as you list names (with no evidence), did, arrest them and try them in a regular court (no one is going to be tried in a military court, that is ridiculous) and they are not going to be sent to GITMO in Cuba for trial and prison or being executed. That is the ridiculous part of this, not the crimes. And, if they are sent to GITMO, I will be surprised, but again, my life won't change and neither will yours or Quix unless you get on a regular jury and have to spend time in regular court. If you believe what you write, and want to do something about it, take action, join the military and get yourself sent to GITMO so you will be a part of this.
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His grandmother said he was born in Kenya.
I already responded directly to that mythical claim. Once was enough. If you're sincerely interested in a rational discussion of the subject, please go back and read my prior comments.
Thank you.
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@the_doc
@CatherineofAragon
@mystery-ak
You are over reacting. Our world is not coming to an end if people committed crimes, are arrested and taken to court. You think we can't believe this, that we won't believe it, that it is so terrible we don't have the "moral courage" to accept it. You don't know any of us personally, so you don't know what we would think. It means nothing to me no matter what it is as I can't do anything about it. My life won't change one bit.
There are terrible people all over the world who do terrible acts. There are over 300 million people in this country and some of them do terrible things; some are rich and some are poor and some are in the middle of being rich or poor.
It was part of my job to psychologically test and counsel CAREER CRIMINALS. I have heard it all. From them I learned how to get your prostitute to obey you. Lock her in a closet naked with her hands tied and leave her there a few days - she will obey you then. I know how to kill someone and dispose of the body so no one will find it. One man, as soon as he got out of prison, found the man who had squealed on him that put him in prison, and he killed him and buried him in his back yard. I asked why he buried him in his back yard. He said he had to get him out of his car as he didn't want blood inside his car. The body was found and he was sent back to prison. He was sent to me after that last prison term.
One man should not have been sent to prison. He was mentally retarded and took some tires from a car repair place IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. He didn't know that was a crime - he just took the tires.
So, no matter what these people, rich and well known as you list names (with no evidence), did, arrest them and try them in a regular court (no one is going to be tried in a military court, that is ridiculous) and they are not going to be sent to GITMO in Cuba for trial and prison or being executed. That is the ridiculous part of this, not the crimes. And, if they are sent to GITMO, I will be surprised, but again, my life won't change and neither will yours or Quix unless you get on a regular jury and have to spend time in regular court. If you believe what you write, and want to do something about it, take action, join the military and get yourself sent to GITMO so you will be a part of this.
@Victoria33
Obviously, you are not 'most folks'.
That was the demographic referred to in the quote you replied to.
Still, I must ask who would believe some of the things which have been documented to have taken place. ("Fast and Furious", for example, an obvious way to inflate the statistics that were used in an attempt to justify an "assault rifle" ban in the US, because those stats, in reality, fell far short of the numbers the anti-gunners wanted to achive that justification, and the DOJ and BATFE and the Obama Administration were, with ranking Dems, obviously hostile to the RKBA.) That is one of the more believable unbelievable acts which occurred (especially after being exposed by a whistleblower and documented by others), whether the motivation is entirely correct or not--the provision of arms to international criminals by decree of the BATFE. Some domestic firearms sales were involved as well, although "Operation Gangwalker" got far less press.
The idea, though, is that the more the actual plot reads like a bad spy novel, or a fanciful horror story, the less that people will believe the crime actually occurred, and the easier it is to dismiss as the paranoid blatherings of "conspiracy theorists". Admittedly, that phenomenon can equally be used as a defense of allegations which can be thus dismissed, in the instance no evidence exists. But people will ignore evidence in order to retain preconcieved notions, especially if those notions are more comfortable.
If one made the assertion that members of SCOTUS who participated in a demonic cult ruled on Roe to have mass human sacrifice in fealty to their deity, even if evidence existed, in their own words, it would be too horrific for people to accept. Why? Because it would make our country the instrument of unacceptable evil.
That if there was a secret cabal of people who get together to dine on human flesh (however obtained) and that they were highly placed, prominent, or wealthy (or a combination thereof), would people believe that?
Actually, it might depend on just who the cabal was composed of, at least for many.
But we can accept that one person, working alone might seduce homosexual Asian males and take them home and eat them, because that's just one crazy and not a unified group working toward one evil purpose.
In reality, so much more evil can be perpetrated by a group who is unified in purpose, the diversity of capabilities and/or authority can provide much better cover for any such operation, better organization, provision of logistical support, and efficiency.
And the more unbelievable the crime, the more unbelievable the accusation.
If the accusation is unbelievable, those people will never be arrested, taken to court, nor punished, because the nature and scope of the crime will be attributed to a scattering of "isolated incidents" by individual perpetrators acting independently. Because of that, many crimes will go undiscovered, and the true nature of the group will remain unrevealed. A few drones or worker bees will fall, at best, and the hive will continue.
Let's suppose, for an instance, that proof, incontrovertible, undeniable, irrefutable proof was obtained that Obama had not been born in America, that his whole 'legend' was false (which might explain sealed records from grade school on), that the Birth Certificate (image) he produced was the product of co-conspirators, signed off on by other conspirators (a Subud Cult member/affiliate who is conveniently unavailable for comment), all for the purpose of placing him in office, produced after the fact to quell "conspiracy theory" that he was, as he had advertised during his Congressional campaign, a Kenyan, and not a Natural Born Citizen, and thus ineligible for the office he held.
About half the eyes on this forum would roll back, someone would post the image of the "Oh, Jeez, not this s___ again!" guy, and the sniping would start and the thread be moved to cheeseville by the moderators.
And nothing would happen. Why? Well, it's outrageous, inconceivable, obviously the concoction of some bunch of paranoid hillbillies, probably racists, to discredit.... "It could never happen.", right?
Which makes the point.
If most people can't believe something, that isn't evidence it did not occur, nor isn't occurring, just a question of their ability to believe it.
Yes, we know that heinous crimes are committed by individuals, too. They don't have to be a member of some club to do that. But the presence of individual criminals doesn't preclude more massive, coordinated operations, any more than a small shop craftsman making a table precludes Ikea. We even have historical examples of evil perpetrated on an industrial scale, complete with efficiency studies and tailored engineering to make the process more efficient.
So why is it so hard to believe that something similar, albeit on a smaller scale, may be present on our shores, or part of an international plot?
Because we don't want to. It can't happen here, right? We're better than that. etc.
So truly outrageous acts, are dismissed as fictional because that thought, for most people, is far easier to live with as long as they know no one directly affected. They are difficult enough to process as individual aberrations in the human population, but the idea that there is a group of people working toward some heinous end, especially people who have the public trust, would be as difficult to accept (conceptually) as a group of affiliated day care centers funneling toddlers into a network for human sacrifice to some demonic deity, and a small meal after the festivities.
And therein lies the first line of defense. If no one believes the crime occurred (too outrageous), the perpetrators remain safe.
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I already responded directly to that mythical claim. Once was enough. If you're sincerely interested in a rational discussion of the subject, please go back and read my prior comments.
Thank you.
As did I.
And this lawsuit filed in Pensylvania
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE
Plaintiff
vs.
CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL
Defendants
AFFIDAVIT OF BISHOP RON McRAE
I, Bishop Ron McRae am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the
within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as
follows;
I am the Continental Bishop who oversees the Anabaptists Churches in North
America. I am also the Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery, where we have
numerous churches throughout Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of
the Congo and mission works in several other African nations. The African Presbytery is
comprised of the national bishops of the various countries we minister in and support,
along with our statewide bishops from New York and Pennsylvania.
We actively visit and minister throughout these African countries, and do so
extensively throughout all of Kenya these last three [3] years. In overseeing the
establishment of our churches and presbytery in Kenya, over the last two [2] years we
have had personal dealings, continually, with many citizens of Kenya from every tribe
and economic standing throughout the wonderful nation of Kenya, with whom the
national interests in United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a very popular topic
of discussion. The tribal cultures of the Kenyanese people have involved much turmoil
during the national elections at the end of December 2007 and the beginning of 2008.
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae
1
The much published violence that erupted over the presidential elections caught the
world’s attention. Myself and several American minister with our church were present
during this time in Kenya, and the facts concerning this strife and the ensuing violence
were well known, and of common knowledge throughout all of Kenya.
The opposition party that was responsible for all of the violence was from the
minority Luo tribe, which is a Muslim tribe that supported Mr. Raila Odinga for
president. Raila Odinga is a Marxists socialist who graduated from the East Germany
Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship from the East German government. He
named his first born son after Fidel Castro. Raila Odinga spent six years in prison for his
admitted involvement in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 to over take and assassinate
Daniel Arap Moi, Kenya’s President. Mr. Odinga has publicly admitted to being the
leader of that coup in his 2006.
Mr. Odinga is the cousin of United States Senator Barack Obama; Mr. Obama is
from the same Muslim tribe, the Luo Tribe, as Mr. Odinga. Senator Obama visited Kenya
in August of 2006 and campaigned extensively for his cousin, Mr. Odinga, which gave
Odinga a tremendous boost. During Senator Obama’s campaign stops on behalf of his
cousin Odinga, the Senator made numerous claims against the democratic government of
Kenya and Kenya’s President Mwai Kibaki, claiming they were corrupt, stating often,
that Kenya was “ready for changeâ€, just as he has campaigned here in the United States
during this Presidential election. It has also been common knowledge throughout Kenya
that Senator Obama sent his foreign policy advisor, Mr. Mark Lippert, to Kenya at least
three times to advise Mr. Odinga on his campaign strategies. See Mark Hyman’s
Washington Times article published October 12, 2008, attached as Exhibit “1â€.
Moreover, everyone in Kenya is well aware that Senator Obama donated over one million
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae
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American dollars ($1,000,000.00) to his cousin’s, Mr. Odinga’s campaign, which is
documented in the Kenyan Political Party, for Mr. Odinga, Orange Democratic
Movement [hereinafter “ODMâ€] along with extensive funds from other Muslim
supporters including but not limited to the Muslim son of Muammar Gadhafi, the dictator
of Libyan’s Muslim government. These issues are common knowledge throughout
Kenya, and the information is publicly documented across the internet.
It is detailed in Odinga’s financial reports and strategies ODM Internal Memo
documents, attached as Exhibit “2â€, which are public records, that a significant portion
of Senator Obama’s financial contributions (made through an organization identified as
Friends of Senator Barack Obama) were used to help finance both the signed Muslim
Memorandum of Understanding as well as the planned violence, murders and bloodshed
that occurred in December of 2007. Within the ODM Internal Memo attached as Exhibit
“2â€, the funds donated by Mr. Obama through “Friends of Senator Barack Obama†were
to be used for “Violence as a last result...to discourage voter participation in hostile
areas...use ODM agents on the ground to engineer ethnic tensions in target
areas...support Kapondi’s forces in Mt. Eglonâ€, and to do so during “Mid-Decemberâ€.
Unfortunately, the exact violence described in these reports was carried out and occurred
at the beginning of the second week of December 2007.
Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim
communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propagandas here in the United
States, US Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he
was born in Mombassa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the
Obama campaign for presidency of the United States. Mr. Obama’s cousin ran his failed
campaign for the Kenyan presidency in the identical fashion of Senator Obama’s
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae
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American campaign strategy, and that being to join a nominal Christian church in order
to publicly profess to be a Christian, while maintaining their actual Muslim beliefs, in
order to sway public opinion away from the actual fact of his strong Muslim beliefs,
family and goals. It is a known fact that membership in the United Church of Christ in
Chicago, where Barack Obama was a member, does not require Muslim’s to renounce
their Islamic faith in order to join the UCC church. Throughout Kenya it is and was well
publicized in the media that a Memorandum of Understanding agreement, attached as
Exhibit “3â€, between Raila Odinga and Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National
Muslim Leaders Forum, was signed by Odinga on August 29, 2007 in which Raila
Odinga promised if elected to implement numerous drastic changes including but not
limited to the following.
• Recognize “Islam as the only true religionâ€.
• “Islamic leaders would have an oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other
religions†[emphasis in the original],
• Installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction to implement Islamic law.
• Implement a ban on Christian preaching.
Because of the seriousness of all the above, as a Christian and a citizen of the
United States, this preacher could no longer sit idly by knowing these things and continue
to minister in both Kenya and the United States. As the presiding bishop over the
Continental Presbytery of Africa, I authorized representatives within our church to locate
and interview Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama, the actual grandmother of US Senator Barack
Obama. Ms. Sarah Obama lives in the Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from
Kisumu, where the Anabaptists have a congregation, and where this preacher has
preached several times prior to the December elections in 2007, and prior to the planned
violence from the Odinga supporters, which erupted.
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae 4
With Senator Obama being born in Kenya and not in the United States, he is not a
“natural born†citizen and it prohibits him from being eligible to run for and/or serve as
President of the United States. Since Senator Obama’s birth was reportedly in 1961, birth
records may or may not be available, so I felt it very important to obtain the testimony of
his grandmother as a first hand witness, since it is commonly known throughout Kenya,
and especially around the Kisumu area, that Sarah Obama was present when Barack
Obama, Jr. was born in Kenya.
Accordingly, on Thursday, October 16, 2008 Reverend Kweli Shuhudia (actual
name temporarily withheld to protect his life), an evangelists with our ministries
throughout Africa traveled to Kogello and located Ms. Sarah Obama at her home, see the
attached email, attached as Exhibit “4â€. Mr. Shuhudia is a very intelligent and educated
citizen of Africa, a former teacher and respected evangelist throughout Africa. Mr.
Shuhudia acts as our official translator when we are in Africa, and is fluent in both
Swahili and English. Mr. Shuhudia met and interviewed Ms. Sarah Obama at length on
October 16 lh , during which interview; he called me on my mobile number, see my phone
record attached as Exhibit “5â€. Mr. Shuhudia called me first on October 16 ,h at
10:33a.m. and advised that he was with Sarah Hussein Obama and that she wanted to
speak with me, but the connection was lost. He called me right back at 10:35a.m. and he
informed me that there were several hundred people present, celebrating Obama’s
success. I questioned him about the format of the phone call and conversation with Ms.
Obama, and then informed him that I would call him right back, so it would not cost him
international charges for the call. I called back at 10:40a.m. and public music and voices
could be heard that were gathered around Kweli Shuhudia. I then spoke with him and
requested that they utilize the speaker phone so everyone could hear. The speaker phone
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with its open microphone was utilized with Mr. Shuhudia, Mr. Vitalis Akech Ogombe the
Kogelo Community Chairman assisting in the translation work and Ms. Sarah Hussein,
along with several hundred people including policeman present and listening to the open
conversation between the four of us for approximately 15 minutes. Mr. Vitqalis Ogombe
is also the step grandson of Ms. Obama and the cousin of Barack Obama. A third
unknown party can be heard periodically interjecting both Swahili and English words in
the public discussion and conversation between the four of us. At times the room noise
from other peoples’ voices makes some of the swahili difficult to hear, and towards the
end of the converstaion several men’s voices are heard that are not identified. As I talked
to and questioned Ms. Obama publicly over the open microphone of Mr. Shuhudia’s
speaker phone, they would translate what I said to her in Swahili publicly, and then they
would translate her Swahili responses to me publicly in English. Ms. Obama can fluently
speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write. In the ensuing public
conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson
Barack Obama was born in Kenya?†This was asked to her in translation twice, and both
times she specifically replied, “Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was
bornâ€. Though, some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe, have obviously been
versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American
news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very
adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that
she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Mr.
Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama’s clear responses to the question, verifying
the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at
Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae
6
the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the
United States!†But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed
her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
A transcript of this taped public interview is attached as Exhibit “6â€. Mr. Shuhudia took
photographs during the open conversation and interview with Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama,
which photos will be forthcoming.
Because of the seriousness of the political situation and the impact of such on a
United States Presidential election, and because of the factual reality of tremendous
violence in Kenya towards Christians, especially in the immediate area of Kisumu, where
both Sarah Hussein Obama and Rev. Kweli Shuhudia live, it is requested that all
reasonable and legal steps be taken to secure Rev. Kweli Shuhudia’s identity to the
Federal Court alone, in order to protect his life and safety for being willing to provide this
very important assistance in gathering this testimony and evidence to be used in any
Federal litigation.
The above related facts are true and verifiable to the best of my personal knowledge
before God Almighty, whose I am and whom I serve.
I declare under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States, that the
foregoing is true and correct.
Dated: October cM / . 2008 Bv ttieTtrace of God alone.
Residing Bishop
Continental Presbytery of Africa
Anabaptists Churches of N. America
John 3:30/
Philippians 3:19-21, 29, 30
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of satisfactory evidence to be the person whose name is subscribed to the within
instrument and acknowledged to me that he executed the same and that by his
signature on the instrument the person executed the instrument..
I certify under PENALTY OF PERJURY under the laws of United States that the
foregoing paragraph is true and correct. commonwealth of Pennsylvania
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@the_doc
Everybody on the forum could agree with you, and your urging still wouldn’t affect my dismissal of the most nutty & obviously absurd conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard in my life.
You want to use former crooked, unethical, and/or illegal Democrat/ media practices to prove the Q stuff, but proof is not “well, they did that, so they might have/could have done this.†It’s nothing more than imagination and wishful thinking, especially when what you’re trying to prove amounts to finding Bigfoot.
The latest thing is red shoes made from the skins of children, right? I’m going to sign off and let you wonder who I really am.
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It was the whole, 'born in Kenya,' misdirection that made birthers look like idiots. In fact, 100% of the available evidence points to a Vancouver birth. As I've asked before, how do people who claim a HI birth account for the fact that no one saw Stanley Ann Dunham with a newborn in HI. The first documented sighting of SAD with the newborn was in Seattle, 2,677 miles from Honolulu.
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@Smokin Joe
So truly outrageous acts, are dismissed as fictional because that thought, for most people, is far easier to live with as long as they know no one directly affected. They are difficult enough to process as individual aberrations in the human population, but the idea that there is a group of people working toward some heinous end, especially people who have the public trust, would be as difficult to accept (conceptually) as a group of affiliated day care centers funneling toddlers into a network for human sacrifice to some demonic deity, and a small meal after the festivities.
And therein lies the first line of defense. If no one believes the crime occurred (too outrageous), the perpetrators remain safe.
Hmmm...You seem to be upstaging me and my famously lengthy posts. (Well, puh-leez keep it up! That was another OUTSTANDING essay, my esteemed friend.)
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As did I.
And this lawsuit filed in Pensylvania
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE
Plaintiff
vs.
CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL
Defendants
AFFIDAVIT OF BISHOP RON McRAE
I, Bishop Ron McRae am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the
within action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as
follows;
I am the Continental Bishop who oversees the Anabaptists Churches in North
America. I am also the Presiding Elder on the African Presbytery, where we have
numerous churches throughout Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of
the Congo and mission works in several other African nations. The African Presbytery is
comprised of the national bishops of the various countries we minister in and support,
along with our statewide bishops from New York and Pennsylvania.
We actively visit and minister throughout these African countries, and do so
extensively throughout all of Kenya these last three [3] years. In overseeing the
establishment of our churches and presbytery in Kenya, over the last two [2] years we
have had personal dealings, continually, with many citizens of Kenya from every tribe
and economic standing throughout the wonderful nation of Kenya, with whom the
national interests in United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a very popular topic
of discussion. The tribal cultures of the Kenyanese people have involved much turmoil
during the national elections at the end of December 2007 and the beginning of 2008.
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae
1
The much published violence that erupted over the presidential elections caught the
world’s attention. Myself and several American minister with our church were present
during this time in Kenya, and the facts concerning this strife and the ensuing violence
were well known, and of common knowledge throughout all of Kenya.
The opposition party that was responsible for all of the violence was from the
minority Luo tribe, which is a Muslim tribe that supported Mr. Raila Odinga for
president. Raila Odinga is a Marxists socialist who graduated from the East Germany
Magdeburg University in 1970 on a scholarship from the East German government. He
named his first born son after Fidel Castro. Raila Odinga spent six years in prison for his
admitted involvement in the bloody coup attempt in 1982 to over take and assassinate
Daniel Arap Moi, Kenya’s President. Mr. Odinga has publicly admitted to being the
leader of that coup in his 2006.
Mr. Odinga is the cousin of United States Senator Barack Obama; Mr. Obama is
from the same Muslim tribe, the Luo Tribe, as Mr. Odinga. Senator Obama visited Kenya
in August of 2006 and campaigned extensively for his cousin, Mr. Odinga, which gave
Odinga a tremendous boost. During Senator Obama’s campaign stops on behalf of his
cousin Odinga, the Senator made numerous claims against the democratic government of
Kenya and Kenya’s President Mwai Kibaki, claiming they were corrupt, stating often,
that Kenya was “ready for changeâ€, just as he has campaigned here in the United States
during this Presidential election. It has also been common knowledge throughout Kenya
that Senator Obama sent his foreign policy advisor, Mr. Mark Lippert, to Kenya at least
three times to advise Mr. Odinga on his campaign strategies. See Mark Hyman’s
Washington Times article published October 12, 2008, attached as Exhibit “1â€.
Moreover, everyone in Kenya is well aware that Senator Obama donated over one million
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American dollars ($1,000,000.00) to his cousin’s, Mr. Odinga’s campaign, which is
documented in the Kenyan Political Party, for Mr. Odinga, Orange Democratic
Movement [hereinafter “ODMâ€] along with extensive funds from other Muslim
supporters including but not limited to the Muslim son of Muammar Gadhafi, the dictator
of Libyan’s Muslim government. These issues are common knowledge throughout
Kenya, and the information is publicly documented across the internet.
It is detailed in Odinga’s financial reports and strategies ODM Internal Memo
documents, attached as Exhibit “2â€, which are public records, that a significant portion
of Senator Obama’s financial contributions (made through an organization identified as
Friends of Senator Barack Obama) were used to help finance both the signed Muslim
Memorandum of Understanding as well as the planned violence, murders and bloodshed
that occurred in December of 2007. Within the ODM Internal Memo attached as Exhibit
“2â€, the funds donated by Mr. Obama through “Friends of Senator Barack Obama†were
to be used for “Violence as a last result...to discourage voter participation in hostile
areas...use ODM agents on the ground to engineer ethnic tensions in target
areas...support Kapondi’s forces in Mt. Eglonâ€, and to do so during “Mid-Decemberâ€.
Unfortunately, the exact violence described in these reports was carried out and occurred
at the beginning of the second week of December 2007.
Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim
communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propagandas here in the United
States, US Senator Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he
was born in Mombassa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the
Obama campaign for presidency of the United States. Mr. Obama’s cousin ran his failed
campaign for the Kenyan presidency in the identical fashion of Senator Obama’s
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American campaign strategy, and that being to join a nominal Christian church in order
to publicly profess to be a Christian, while maintaining their actual Muslim beliefs, in
order to sway public opinion away from the actual fact of his strong Muslim beliefs,
family and goals. It is a known fact that membership in the United Church of Christ in
Chicago, where Barack Obama was a member, does not require Muslim’s to renounce
their Islamic faith in order to join the UCC church. Throughout Kenya it is and was well
publicized in the media that a Memorandum of Understanding agreement, attached as
Exhibit “3â€, between Raila Odinga and Sheik Abdullahi Abdi, chairman of the National
Muslim Leaders Forum, was signed by Odinga on August 29, 2007 in which Raila
Odinga promised if elected to implement numerous drastic changes including but not
limited to the following.
• Recognize “Islam as the only true religionâ€.
• “Islamic leaders would have an oversight role to monitor activities of ALL other
religions†[emphasis in the original],
• Installation of Shariah courts in every jurisdiction to implement Islamic law.
• Implement a ban on Christian preaching.
Because of the seriousness of all the above, as a Christian and a citizen of the
United States, this preacher could no longer sit idly by knowing these things and continue
to minister in both Kenya and the United States. As the presiding bishop over the
Continental Presbytery of Africa, I authorized representatives within our church to locate
and interview Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama, the actual grandmother of US Senator Barack
Obama. Ms. Sarah Obama lives in the Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from
Kisumu, where the Anabaptists have a congregation, and where this preacher has
preached several times prior to the December elections in 2007, and prior to the planned
violence from the Odinga supporters, which erupted.
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With Senator Obama being born in Kenya and not in the United States, he is not a
“natural born†citizen and it prohibits him from being eligible to run for and/or serve as
President of the United States. Since Senator Obama’s birth was reportedly in 1961, birth
records may or may not be available, so I felt it very important to obtain the testimony of
his grandmother as a first hand witness, since it is commonly known throughout Kenya,
and especially around the Kisumu area, that Sarah Obama was present when Barack
Obama, Jr. was born in Kenya.
Accordingly, on Thursday, October 16, 2008 Reverend Kweli Shuhudia (actual
name temporarily withheld to protect his life), an evangelists with our ministries
throughout Africa traveled to Kogello and located Ms. Sarah Obama at her home, see the
attached email, attached as Exhibit “4â€. Mr. Shuhudia is a very intelligent and educated
citizen of Africa, a former teacher and respected evangelist throughout Africa. Mr.
Shuhudia acts as our official translator when we are in Africa, and is fluent in both
Swahili and English. Mr. Shuhudia met and interviewed Ms. Sarah Obama at length on
October 16 lh , during which interview; he called me on my mobile number, see my phone
record attached as Exhibit “5â€. Mr. Shuhudia called me first on October 16 ,h at
10:33a.m. and advised that he was with Sarah Hussein Obama and that she wanted to
speak with me, but the connection was lost. He called me right back at 10:35a.m. and he
informed me that there were several hundred people present, celebrating Obama’s
success. I questioned him about the format of the phone call and conversation with Ms.
Obama, and then informed him that I would call him right back, so it would not cost him
international charges for the call. I called back at 10:40a.m. and public music and voices
could be heard that were gathered around Kweli Shuhudia. I then spoke with him and
requested that they utilize the speaker phone so everyone could hear. The speaker phone
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with its open microphone was utilized with Mr. Shuhudia, Mr. Vitalis Akech Ogombe the
Kogelo Community Chairman assisting in the translation work and Ms. Sarah Hussein,
along with several hundred people including policeman present and listening to the open
conversation between the four of us for approximately 15 minutes. Mr. Vitqalis Ogombe
is also the step grandson of Ms. Obama and the cousin of Barack Obama. A third
unknown party can be heard periodically interjecting both Swahili and English words in
the public discussion and conversation between the four of us. At times the room noise
from other peoples’ voices makes some of the swahili difficult to hear, and towards the
end of the converstaion several men’s voices are heard that are not identified. As I talked
to and questioned Ms. Obama publicly over the open microphone of Mr. Shuhudia’s
speaker phone, they would translate what I said to her in Swahili publicly, and then they
would translate her Swahili responses to me publicly in English. Ms. Obama can fluently
speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write. In the ensuing public
conversation, I asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson
Barack Obama was born in Kenya?†This was asked to her in translation twice, and both
times she specifically replied, “Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was
bornâ€. Though, some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe, have obviously been
versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American
news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very
adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that
she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Mr.
Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama’s clear responses to the question, verifying
the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at
Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer
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the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the
United States!†But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed
her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
A transcript of this taped public interview is attached as Exhibit “6â€. Mr. Shuhudia took
photographs during the open conversation and interview with Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama,
which photos will be forthcoming.
Because of the seriousness of the political situation and the impact of such on a
United States Presidential election, and because of the factual reality of tremendous
violence in Kenya towards Christians, especially in the immediate area of Kisumu, where
both Sarah Hussein Obama and Rev. Kweli Shuhudia live, it is requested that all
reasonable and legal steps be taken to secure Rev. Kweli Shuhudia’s identity to the
Federal Court alone, in order to protect his life and safety for being willing to provide this
very important assistance in gathering this testimony and evidence to be used in any
Federal litigation.
The above related facts are true and verifiable to the best of my personal knowledge
before God Almighty, whose I am and whom I serve.
I declare under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States, that the
foregoing is true and correct.
Dated: October cM / . 2008 Bv ttieTtrace of God alone.
Residing Bishop
Continental Presbytery of Africa
Anabaptists Churches of N. America
John 3:30/
Philippians 3:19-21, 29, 30
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I used to make this same idiotic argument. Then an HONEST person walked me step by step through the interview. In context, Mama Sarah is CLEARLY speaking of her stepson, Obama Sr.
If you disagree, link me to a pic of the house or hut Stanley Ann Dunham lived in (in Kenya) during her pregnancy. It must be incredibly famous.
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I used to make this same idiotic argument. Then an HONEST person walked me step by step through the interview. In context, Mama Sarah is CLEARLY speaking of her stepson, Obama Sr.
If you disagree, link me to a pic of the house or hut Stanley Ann Dunham lived in (in Kenya) during her pregnancy. It must be incredibly famous.
Oh, I see she was senile and couldn't figure out who she was talking about. Why would she have to live there?
Here's some interesting information
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/24/magazine/mag-24Obama-t.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/24/magazine/mag-24Obama-t.html)
And the Luo Tribe has traditional culture relating to births.
excerpt:
SHAVING THE BABY (Lielo Nyathi)
In olden days shaving of a new born was a ritual of its kind. The shaving was done by a grandmother or an aged lady from the some clan, if the grandmother was not around or was dead. The person shaving was required to have a calabash (Agwata) full of water, a traditional razor and traditional Herb. A calabash full of water was used to prevent the baby from being obese, the traditional Herb was used as soup.
http://www.elimuasilia.org/index.php/culture-blog/72-culture/168-celebrating-the-birth-of-a-baby-in-old-luo-culture (http://www.elimuasilia.org/index.php/culture-blog/72-culture/168-celebrating-the-birth-of-a-baby-in-old-luo-culture)
To just assume because she didn't live there is not evidence. They had a very short marriage. She was only 17 and even you said she wasn't seen in Hawaii with the baby.
Kenya call Barack Son.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm)
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/shocker-even-obama-lawyers-admit-birth-certificate-forged-but-eligibilitys-a-separate-matter_12162016 (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/shocker-even-obama-lawyers-admit-birth-certificate-forged-but-eligibilitys-a-separate-matter_12162016)
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Oh, I see she was senile and couldn't figure out who she was talking about. Why would she have to live there?
How could Stanley Ann have given birth in Kenya without having lived there?
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@Chosen Daughter
@Smokin Joe
It was the whole, 'born in Kenya,' misdirection that made birthers look like idiots. In fact, 100% of the available evidence points to a Vancouver birth. As I've asked before, how do people who claim a HI birth account for the fact that no one saw Stanley Ann Dunham with a newborn in HI. The first documented sighting of SAD with the newborn was in Seattle, 2,677 miles from Honolulu.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. (Your argument is remarkably similar to your earlier argument ridiculing the Kenyan birthplace scenario [and now calling its adherents idiots] on the peculiar grounds that no one could find out where SAD stayed in Kenya when she was approaching the birth of Obama four-plus decades ago.)
The way you are adducing dubious evidence as veritable proof (100%) of your Vancouver theory looks kinda bad--especially since you have also claimed to have "debunked" the "myth" that the Kenyan Grandma said her grandson was born in Kenya. Chosen Daughter has now twice posted the legal affidavit arguing quite convincingly that the Kenyan Grandma did say what you have claimed the Grandma certainly didn't say.
This post is not an ad hominem attack on my part, despite your recent insinuation on this thread that I have been a snarky cad in my treatment of you. I will stipulate that you're not necessarily an idiot, friend. You're just wrong. (Hey, it happens sometimes.)
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How could Stanley Ann have given birth in Kenya without having lived there?
I thought Soetoro adopted him or some such, which would make him Indonesian, actually. It explains the ties to the Subud Cult as well, which comes out of Indonesia.
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@Chosen Daughter
@Smokin Joe
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. (Your argument is remarkably similar to your earlier argument ridiculing the Kenyan birthplace scenario [and now calling its adherents idiots] on the peculiar grounds that no one could find out where SAD stayed in Kenya when she was approaching the birth of Obama four-plus decades ago.)
The way you are adducing dubious evidence as veritable proof (100%) of your Vancouver theory looks kinda bad--especially since you have also claimed to have "debunked" the "myth" that the Kenyan Grandma said her grandson was born in Kenya. Chosen Daughter has now twice posted the legal affidavit arguing quite convincingly that the Kenyan Grandma did say what you have claimed the Grandma certainly didn't say.
This post is not an ad hominem attack on my part, despite your recent insinuation on this thread that I have been a snarky cad in my treatment of you. I will stipulate that you're not necessarily an idiot, friend. You're just wrong. (Hey, it happens sometimes.)
The reality is that my kids have to produce a birth certificate to get a picture ID or Driver's license, and can't get a job without one. Obama NEVER produced such documentation of his NBC status, nor was any produced in order to certify him as a candidate for POTUS.
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I thought Soetoro adopted him or some such, which would make him Indonesian, actually. It explains the ties to the Subud Cult as well, which comes out of Indonesia.
She moved there almost immediately after divorce. And he was adopted so he would be Indonesian and Muslim.
(https://h2ooflife.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/image001sm.jpg)
Barack Obama. Fabricated life and birth
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How could Stanley Ann have given birth in Kenya without having lived there?
How? She traveled there for the birth. How else?
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How could Stanley Ann have given birth in Kenya without having lived there?
Good question.. Also why would she leave Hawaii to a third world country like Kenya?
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@Chosen Daughter
@Smokin Joe
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. (Your argument is remarkably similar to your earlier argument ridiculing the Kenyan birthplace scenario [and now calling its adherents idiots] on the peculiar grounds that no one could find out where SAD stayed in Kenya when she was approaching the birth of Obama four-plus decades ago.)
The way you are adducing dubious evidence as veritable proof (100%) of your Vancouver theory looks kinda bad--especially since you have also claimed to have "debunked" the "myth" that the Kenyan Grandma said her grandson was born in Kenya. Chosen Daughter has now twice posted the legal affidavit arguing quite convincingly that the Kenyan Grandma did say what you have claimed the Grandma certainly didn't say.
This post is not an ad hominem attack on my part, despite your recent insinuation on this thread that I have been a snarky cad in my treatment of you. I will stipulate that you're not necessarily an idiot, friend. You're just wrong. (Hey, it happens sometimes.)
Please try to stick to the facts. First, I didn't call people who believe in the Kenyan birth idiots. Second, I have only presented a single fact in support of the Vancouver birth. Since no one wishes to address it, there's no point in presenting the rest of the evidence.
[Btw, I was a staunch believer in the Kenyan birth narrative for many years. I'm not about to call myself an idiot for being honestly misled.]
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Please try to stick to the facts. First, I didn't call people who believe in the Kenyan birth idiots. Second, I have only presented a single fact in support of the Vancouver birth. Since no one wishes to address it, there's no point in presenting the rest of the evidence.
[Btw, I was a staunch believer in the Kenyan birth narrative for many years. I'm not about to call myself an idiot for being honestly misled.]
Either way, his mother had not been resident in the US long enough past the age of majority to confer NBC status on her child. The only way he could have been an NBC is if his daddy was an American Citizen, and then the whole Kenyan thing, the "Dreams from my Father" narrative is exposed as pure fraud.
Which ever is the case, it is a lie within a lie, or just another lie. Those who signed off on his candidacy should be prosecuted for fraud. (One of the biggest cons ever perpetrated).
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I thought Soetoro adopted him or some such, which would make him Indonesian, actually. It explains the ties to the Subud Cult as well, which comes out of Indonesia.
@Chosen Daughter
I'm simply addressing the fact that if Stanley Ann gave birth in Kenya she had to be resident there prior to the event. None of Obama's relatives support this fact. I.e.: none of them take visitors on a tour of Stanley Ann's living quarters during her [mythical] stay with them. It would be lucrative for dirt poor Kenyans to make a tourist attraction out of the abode (even if it had only been for ~a month or so) of the mother of a US President. If Stanley Ann had been in Kenya prior to and during the birth, the locals would never stop telling the tale.
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Either way, his mother had not been resident in the US long enough past the age of majority to confer NBC status on her child. The only way he could have been an NBC is if his daddy was an American Citizen, and then the whole Kenyan thing, the "Dreams from my Father" narrative is exposed as pure fraud.
Which ever is the case, it is a lie within a lie, or just another lie. Those who signed off on his candidacy should be prosecuted for fraud. (One of the biggest cons ever perpetrated).
That's my take as well. It doesn't matter whether he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or Vancouver there is no way the SOB is even a citizen much less an NBC.
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Either way, his mother had not been resident in the US long enough past the age of majority to confer NBC status on her child. The only way he could have been an NBC is if his daddy was an American Citizen, and then the whole Kenyan thing, the "Dreams from my Father" narrative is exposed as pure fraud.
Which ever is the case, it is a lie within a lie, or just another lie. Those who signed off on his candidacy should be prosecuted for fraud. (One of the biggest cons ever perpetrated).
I agree 100% with everything you wrote. All I'm saying is that all available evidence supports a Vancouver birth--as indeed it does.
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@the_doc
@CatherineofAragon
@mystery-ak
You are over reacting. Our world is not coming to an end if people committed crimes, are arrested and taken to court. You think we can't believe this, that we won't believe it, that it is so terrible we don't have the "moral courage" to accept it. You don't know any of us personally, so you don't know what we would think. It means nothing to me no matter what it is as I can't do anything about it. My life won't change one bit.
Well, I'll charitably assume that if the mess is big enough and evil enough in the persons/places you have respected the most, then that shock would change your life in a decidedly unpleasant realization that you have been wickedly duped. I think it would change some of the more important parts of your whole worldview.
I'll admit that I am presenting a kind of tautology by defining the shock in terms of being "big enough" and "evil enough" in certain persons/places, but I trust that you see my point: We can't fully appreciate what sorts of things can flatten us until they flatten us.
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How? She traveled there for the birth. How else?
So Stanley Ann spent a fortune flying to a third world country at the tail end of her pregnancy for the sole purpose of giving birth, and then immediately spent another fortune flying a newborn to Seattle. All the while neither SAD nor her parents had $ to spare in those days.
Bear in mind that air travel was exorbitantly expensive in the early 60s. Also bear in mind that Obama Sr was poor also; he could not have underwritten the vast expenses involved in such worldwide travel.
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Please try to stick to the facts. First, I didn't call people who believe in the Kenyan birth idiots. Second, I have only presented a single fact in support of the Vancouver birth. Since no one wishes to address it, there's no point in presenting the rest of the evidence.
[Btw, I was a staunch believer in the Kenyan birth narrative for many years. I'm not about to call myself an idiot for being honestly misled.]
Puh-leez be more careful about tossing around the word idiotic and then parsing the words to insist that that's not tantamount to calling us idiots.
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So Stanley Ann spent a fortune flying to a third world country at the tail end of her pregnancy for the sole purpose of giving birth, and then immediately spent another fortune flying a newborn to Seattle. All the while neither SAD nor her parents had $ to spare in those days.
Bear in mind that air travel was exorbitantly expensive in the early 60s. Also bear in mind that Obama Sr was poor also; he could not have underwritten the vast expenses involved in such worldwide travel.
Again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We may never know how/why SAD was in Kenya four-plus decades ago, but contrary to your earlier claim, the Grandma did explicitly say that Obama Jr. was born in Kenya.
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Puh-leez be more careful about tossing around the word idiotic and then parsing the words to insist that that's not tantamount to calling us idiots.
It's the theory that has become idiotic, in light of facts that have come to light since its inception. It did make sense in the early days. But that was before we learned that the first documented sighting of SAD with a newborn was in Seattle. I originally thought SAD had given birth in Kenya and then returned to Honolulu. But no one in HI saw Stanley with a newborn. Rather, her first appearance is in Seattle. The idea that she gave birth in Kenya and then immediately took the newborn on a strenuous and wildly expensive trip to Seattle is nonsensical.
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It was the whole, 'born in Kenya,' misdirection that made birthers look like idiots. In fact, 100% of the available evidence points to a Vancouver birth. As I've asked before, how do people who claim a HI birth account for the fact that no one saw Stanley Ann Dunham with a newborn in HI. The first documented sighting of SAD with the newborn was in Seattle, 2,677 miles from Honolulu.
@Fantasywriter
I won't dispute your points, because I'm uninformed on the matter. But even if Obama isn't a citizen, nothing is ever going to come of it. People will die, sitting in front of their keyboards when they're ninety, chasing rabbit holes and waiting for him to be arrested.
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@Fantasywriter
I won't dispute your points, because I'm uninformed on the matter. But even if Obama isn't a citizen, nothing is ever going to come of it. People will die, sitting in front of their keyboards when they're ninety, chasing rabbit holes and waiting for him to be arrested.
I would prefer that the truth came out about his campaign and his presidency. His whole life is a mystery up until he was elected.
I just want to destroy whatever mystique he has left with voters.
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Again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We may never know how/why SAD was in Kenya four-plus decades ago, but contrary to your earlier claim, the Grandma did explicitly say that Obama Jr. was born in Kenya.
Surely you are aware that in a subsequent interview Mama Sarah said Obama II was born in HI? Was she lying [or simply confused] the first time or lying the second time?
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So Stanley Ann spent a fortune flying to a third world country at the tail end of her pregnancy for the sole purpose of giving birth, and then immediately spent another fortune flying a newborn to Seattle. All the while neither SAD nor her parents had $ to spare in those days.
Bear in mind that air travel was exorbitantly expensive in the early 60s. Also bear in mind that Obama Sr was poor also; he could not have underwritten the vast expenses involved in such worldwide travel.
Her mother was a Vice President of a bank in Hawaii. Barack attended a very expensive school. So I am not buying that she couldn't afford to travel. She made her way to Seattle with an infant. Question is what happened a month before arriving in Seattle. His grandmother said she saw him born in Kenya.
Her whole life was unlikely. School here then there. Indonesia, Pakistan...........
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Surely you are aware that in a subsequent interview Mama Sarah said Obama II was born in HI? Was she lying [or simply confused] the first time or lying the second time?
Lying the second time. The family was trying to shut her up all during the interview.
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@Fantasywriter
I won't dispute your points, because I'm uninformed on the matter. But even if Obama isn't a citizen, nothing is ever going to come of it. People will die, sitting in front of their keyboards when they're ninety, chasing rabbit holes and waiting for him to be arrested.
Unfortunately there's a real possibility you're right. Obama Sr said Stanley Ann was going to give birth at the Salvation Army home for unwed mothers (there was one in Vancouver in '61). I spoke with a representative of the Salvation Army homes for unwed mothers; she nearly had a stroke when I mentioned Obama's name. Not only are their records sealed; if you want one of their reps to jump down your throat with flaming hostilty, just speak the name of, 'Obama.' Works like a charm.
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Her mother was a Vice President of a bank in Hawaii. Barack attended a very expensive school. So I am not buying that she couldn't afford to travel. She made her way to Seattle with an infant. Question is what happened a month before arriving in Seattle. His grandmother said she saw him born in Kenya.
Her whole life was unlikely. School here then there. Indonesia, Pakistan...........
Eventually SAD's mother was a VP. At the time of Obama's birth the Dunhams rented a single room from the Pratt family. When SAD stayed with them during the fall semester at the UoH, she slept in the hallway. This is a fact.
In the early days the Dunhams were just scraping by; they didn't have the $ to fly SAD all around the world.
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Lying the second time. The family was trying to shut her up all during the interview.
This is just your opinion. But the fact is that Mama Sarah has made two mutually exclusive claims. She is a compromised source. [That is, her claims are contradictory if you assume she wasn't simply confused in the first interview.]
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@Chosen Daughter
I'm simply addressing the fact that if Stanley Ann gave birth in Kenya she had to be resident there prior to the event. None of Obama's relatives support this fact. I.e.: none of them take visitors on a tour of Stanley Ann's living quarters during her [mythical] stay with them. It would be lucrative for dirt poor Kenyans to make a tourist attraction out of the abode (even if it had only been for ~a month or so) of the mother of a US President. If Stanley Ann had been in Kenya prior to and during the birth, the locals would never stop telling the tale.
She need not be resident, only present. His Kenyan citizenship would be conferred by his father (of record). She had not been resident in the US past the age of majority long enough to confer citizenship in the us as of his birth.
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I would prefer that the truth came out about his campaign and his presidency. His whole life is a mystery up until he was elected.
I just want to destroy whatever mystique he has left with voters.
@Emjay
I agree that any and all truth should come out. Personally I think his college years probably offer some interesting material.
But honestly? I don't think anything could destroy his mystique with the left. If I've learned anything from the past few years, it's that politics is largely based on emotion now.
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Surely you are aware that in a subsequent interview Mama Sarah said Obama II was born in HI? Was she lying [or simply confused] the first time or lying the second time?
I am aware that some prominent Kenyans changed their testimonies when they realized that an American POTUS candidate has to be NBC. The Kenyan ambassador to the U.S. jumped through such hoops during the 2008 campaign. Make of that what you will (or should).
As the affidavit posted by Chosen Daughter demonstrates, Grandma did explicitly say more than once in the famous early interview that Obama Jr. WAS born in KENYA--and that despite the fact that her handlers tried to shut her up.
My British acquaintance who lived for most of his life 30 miles from Obama's previously well-marked birthplace said that it's common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya. A Syrian friend of mine who worked for many years in Saudi Arabia said the same thing. (Maybe the Kenyans are suffering from group confusion based on Obama's longstanding history of saying that he was born in Kenya, but Grandma was adamant about being present for his birth in Kenya until she was told to shut up. I believe her initial stubbornness suggests that she was innocently telling the truth and was subsequently coerced into making a false retraction. I believe that the same thing happened with the Ambassador. In short, I believe that Occam's Razor suggests that Obama really was born in Kenya. That's not an idiotic theory, your earlier claims notwithstanding.)
The whole mess is almost hilarious when you consider that the entire Mockingbird Media plus certain sincere but lazy/preoccupied/bored/intimidated conservative pundits said there's nothing to the Kenyan birthplace "conspiracy theory."
(Those conservative pundits [Hannity excluded] are also the ones who tended to say for eight years that Obama surely means well for America, but he's just too socioeconomically naive to be a good POTUS. Well, well, well. Let's see what the military tribunal says. [Can we say "CONSPIRACY"? I predict that the readily provable fact of the digital forgery of the Long Form BC will be the final nail in the coffin of many, many charges against Obama])
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@Emjay
I agree that any and all truth should come out. Personally I think his college years probably offer some interesting material.
But honestly? I don't think anything could destroy his mystique with the left. If I've learned anything from the past few years, it's that politics is largely based on emotion now.
My bet was and remains that his concealed college records have some interesting information on who paid the tab. Either embarassing international interests were at play, or he (as rumored) had a Fulbright Scholarship for Foreign Students. If the latter, either he did a Liz Warren to climb the ladder or he isn't an NBC.
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This is just your opinion. But the fact is that Mama Sarah has made two mutually exclusive claims. She is a compromised source. [That is, her claims are contradictory if you assume she wasn't simply confused in the first interview.]
Okay, she is a "compromised source." I get that. But that's not the same thing as "debunking the myth" (your earlier unqualified claim on this thread, as I recall) that Grandma had stated that Obama was born in Kenya. She most certainly had. (Your information to the effect that she hadn't said it was wrong. Hey, it happens.)
I'm out of here.
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(no one is going to be tried in a military court, that is ridiculous) and they are not going to be sent to GITMO in Cuba for trial and prison or being executed. That is the ridiculous part of this, not the crimes. And, if they are sent to GITMO, I will be surprised, but again, my life won't change and neither will yours or Quix unless you get on a regular jury and have to spend time in regular court. If you believe what you write, and want to do something about it, take action, join the military and get yourself sent to GITMO so you will be a part of this.
@Victoria33
It's already happening. In secret.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZaBWpZr.jpg)
A sad discussion came across my Twitter timeline today. It was about a Q believer thread on Reddit. Some of them want to sue the media because they've alienated themselves from their families over this stuff. One person described repeatedly "truth bombing" his mother.
A mother described how her daughter cried and said she was losing her mother to a cult. The mom's response? She couldn't wait for the truth to come out, for vindication for Q believers. Nothing at all about regret over alienating her daughter or for the pain she was in.
There was talk about sleeping on the couch, about divorces, breakups, firings, etc., all because they can't stop haranguing people. They're blowing up their lives for an internet LARP.
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My bet was and remains that his concealed college records have some interesting information on who paid the tab. Either embarassing international interests were at play, or he (as rumored) had a Fulbright Scholarship for Foreign Students. If the latter, either he did a Liz Warren to climb the ladder or he isn't an NBC.
@Smokin Joe
Any of that could be true, I agree. And I'd like to see his grades.
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She need not be resident, only present. His Kenyan citizenship would be conferred by his father (of record). She had not been resident in the US past the age of majority long enough to confer citizenship in the us as of his birth.
I am under the impression that you and I agree on every point. I believe that Obama was precisely the person the Framers intended to exclude from the office of President. Had Obama been born in the Capital Rotunda he would have been ineligible. The swamp sold us and the Constitution down the river, and the predictable results were catastrophic.
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I am under the impression that you and I agree on every point. I believe that Obama was precisely the person the Framers intended to exclude from the office of President. Had Obama been born in the Capital Rotunda he would have been ineligible. The swamp sold us and the Constitution down the river, and the predictable results were catastrophic.
888high58888 :beer:
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Okay, she is a "compromised source." I get that. But that's not the same thing as "debunking the myth" (your earlier unqualified claim on this thread, as I recall) that Grandma had stated that Obama was born in Kenya. She most certainly had. (Your information to the effect that she hadn't said it was wrong. Hey, it happens.)
I'm out of here.
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Even Jerome Corsi, of all people, admits that the famous Mama Sarah interview is open to multiple interpretations. Nevertheless the fact remains that there is no rational explanation as to why the Dunhams, who couldn't even afford an apartment, would first fly their daughter to Kenya and then IMMEDIATELY subject her and the newborn to the arduous and exorbitantly expensive trip to Seattle. SAD had no friends or relatives in Seattle. Clearly she wanted to continue her education at the UoH, bc she returned there to finish her undergrad work. Her sudden appearance in Seattle makes perfect sense if she'd just given birth in Vancouver. It is nonsensical if she gave birth in Kenya.
[Note: It was from MND/Corsi that I got the info that Mama Sarah subsequently claimed Obama II was born in HI. The info was reliable.]
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888high58888 :beer:
Backatcha.
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@Smokin Joe
Any of that could be true, I agree. And I'd like to see his grades.
First, if Clinton was "captured" a few days ago and taken to GITMO, I haven't seen it on the news as they said would happen.
Second, I have written about this. My grandson is an American citizen and a British citizen. He was born in London of an English woman and an American man, my son. On the day grandson was born, son took the birth paper to the American Embassy, recorded it and got grandson's American Passport. Grandson could run for president in the US if he renounced his British citizenship so his total allegiance would be to this country. Grandson is in college in California with an athletic scholarship. He was given an award this year as an athletic with scholastic achievement (think Dean's list).
Obama's mother was a US citizen, born in the USA. If she had a child in Kenya, he would be a citizen of both countries. There is argument that his father was actually a British citizen even though he was in Kenya, so he could or could not be a British citizen as I don't know if the info about the father is true. There is argument that his mother wasn't in the United States long enough to confer citizenship on her son - whatever that rule was, it is no longer a rule. She was in school in Hawaii when she met the father. There is argument that man wasn't the real father.
I thought it was weird, convenient, his grandmother in Hawaii died the very day he was elected president. That woman knew the truth.
I do think Obama lied, saying he was a foreign student so he could get free college and that is why his college records were kept private.
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@Victoria33
It's already happening. In secret.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZaBWpZr.jpg)
A sad discussion came across my Twitter timeline today. It was about a Q believer thread on Reddit. Some of them want to sue the media because they've alienated themselves from their families over this stuff. One person described repeatedly "truth bombing" his mother.
A mother described how her daughter cried and said she was losing her mother to a cult. The mom's response? She couldn't wait for the truth to come out, for vindication for Q believers. Nothing at all about regret over alienating her daughter or for the pain she was in.
There was talk about sleeping on the couch, about divorces, breakups, firings, etc., all because they can't stop haranguing people. They're blowing up their lives for an internet LARP.
The telltale point is that Q never seeks to mitigate any of this. I.e.: Q never urges followers to stop brutally attacking fellow Trump supporters. They [there is no doubt that Q is a group] never counsel patience and kindness toward skeptics. Rather, Qers are locked in highly destructive activities/relationships and Q never lifts a finger to stop the bleeding.
Some Q believer needs to explain why this devastating behavior is allowed to go unchecked. It speaks VERY poorly of Q.
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When Barack Obama was born in 1961, U.S. citizenship law provided that, if born abroad, he would have acquired citizenship at birth only if his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, had been physically present in the United States for 10 years, five after the age of 14. She was only 18 when he was born and thus could not have transmitted U.S. citizenship to him.
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First, if Clinton was "captured" a few days ago and taken to GITMO, I haven't seen it on the news as they said would happen.
Second, I have written about this. My grandson is an American citizen and a British citizen. He was born in London of an English woman and an American man, my son. On the day grandson was born, son took the birth paper to the American Embassy, recorded it and got grandson's American Passport. Grandson could run for president in the US if he renounced his British citizenship so his total allegiance would be to this country. Grandson is in college in California with an athletic scholarship. He was given an award this year as an athletic with scholastic achievement (think Dean's list).
Obama's mother was a US citizen, born in the USA. If she had a child in Kenya, he would be a citizen of both countries. There is argument that his father was actually a British citizen even though he was in Kenya, so he could or could not be a British citizen as I don't know if the info about the father is true. There is argument that his mother wasn't in the United States long enough to confer citizenship on her son - whatever that rule was, it is no longer a rule. She was in school in Hawaii when she met the father. There is argument that man wasn't the real father.
I thought it was weird, convenient, his grandmother in Hawaii died the very day he was elected president. That woman knew the truth.
I do think Obama lied, saying he was a foreign student so he could get free college and that is why his college records were kept private.
The difference in controlling statutes between then (Bathhouse Barry's birth) and now has been gone over repeatedly on other sites, and much of what was readily available has been scrubbed since.
Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, and while Stanley Ann applied to be reinstated, no such application was made for Barrack, who later traveled to Pakistan, likely as a Muslim with an Indonesian passport. Kindly do not ignore the Indonesian connection Indonesia is home to the Subud Cult, and Loretta Fuddy (the sole death when the plane ditched), who signed off on the alleged birth documentation for BO, was also affiliated with the cult.
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@Emjay
I agree that any and all truth should come out. Personally I think his college years probably offer some interesting material.
But honestly? I don't think anything could destroy his mystique with the left. If I've learned anything from the past few years, it's that politics is largely based on emotion now.
That's sure abundantly true.
The truth WILL out--in what form, how completely, when remains to be seen. However, God is on the hook to make certain that ALL that is hidden about ALL of us, WILL come to light.
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First, if Clinton was "captured" a few days ago and taken to GITMO, I haven't seen it on the news as they said would happen.
Second, I have written about this. My grandson is an American citizen and a British citizen. He was born in London of an English woman and an American man, my son. On the day grandson was born, son took the birth paper to the American Embassy, recorded it and got grandson's American Passport. Grandson could run for president in the US if he renounced his British citizenship so his total allegiance would be to this country. Grandson is in college in California with an athletic scholarship. He was given an award this year as an athletic with scholastic achievement (think Dean's list).
Obama's mother was a US citizen, born in the USA. If she had a child in Kenya, he would be a citizen of both countries. There is argument that his father was actually a British citizen even though he was in Kenya, so he could or could not be a British citizen as I don't know if the info about the father is true. There is argument that his mother wasn't in the United States long enough to confer citizenship on her son - whatever that rule was, it is no longer a rule. She was in school in Hawaii when she met the father. There is argument that man wasn't the real father.
I thought it was weird, convenient, his grandmother in Hawaii died the very day he was elected president. That woman knew the truth.
I do think Obama lied, saying he was a foreign student so he could get free college and that is why his college records were kept private.
@Victoria33
That sounds plausible to me. I forgot about the grandmother.
Hillary hasn’t been arrested; it’s another “drop†or whatever they call it.
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That's sure abundantly true.
The truth WILL out--in what form, how completely, when remains to be seen. However, God is on the hook to make certain that ALL that is hidden about ALL of us, WILL come to light.
@Quix
That will certainly happen, but God isn’t “on the hookâ€. It’s His will.
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Even Jerome Corsi, of all people, admits that the famous Mama Sarah interview is open to multiple interpretations. Nevertheless the fact remains that there is no rational explanation as to why the Dunhams, who couldn't even afford an apartment, would first fly their daughter to Kenya and then IMMEDIATELY subject her and the newborn to the arduous and exorbitantly expensive trip to Seattle. SAD had no friends or relatives in Seattle. Clearly she wanted to continue her education at the UoH, bc she returned there to finish her undergrad work. Her sudden appearance in Seattle makes perfect sense if she'd just given birth in Vancouver. It is nonsensical if she gave birth in Kenya.
[Note: It was from MND/Corsi that I got the info that Mama Sarah subsequently claimed Obama II was born in HI. The info was reliable.]
That is inaccurate. She did have friends in Seattle. Some of her friends told of seeing her a month after Barry was born. Her teenage years were spent in Mercer Island. Which is between Seattle and Bellevue. I am from the area. Her family attended the Unitarian church in Bellevue.
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That is inaccurate. She did have friends in Seattle. Some of her friends told of seeing her a month after Barry was born. Her teenage years were spent in Mercer Island. Which is between Seattle and Bellevue. I am from the area. Her family attended the Unitarian church in Bellevue.
You don't need to legalisticallly parse this to death. Why would I suggest SAD had no friends in Mercer Island??? She went to high school there; of course she had friends there.
It is also true that shortly after magically materializing in Seattle, SAD borrowed a car from ONE OF HER MOTHER'S FRIENDS, drove to Mercer Island and visited two of her high school friends [whom, by their own admission, she did not visit again during her stay in Seattle].
However, SAD had NO FRIENDS IN SEATTLE. This is why she had to hire A TOTAL STRANGER to babysit Little Barry while she attended classes. This is a fact.
SAD did, however, have an aunt in the Vancouver area. That was her closest relative when she lived in Seattle.
What I said was absolutely true. SAD's family was in HI. Had she given birth in Kenya there was no reason for her to expend the enormous extra expense of traveling to Seattle, only to pay an additional, enormous charge to return to HI for the '62 fall semester. It's nonsensical.
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@Quix
That will certainly happen, but God isn’t “on the hookâ€. It’s His will.
Might be a semantics issue.
Throughout the Old Testament, He 'puts Himself on the hook' . . . e. g. to deliver the Israelites from Egypt etc. etc. etc. "Prove Me ... and see ..."
He IS obligated to His Word and His Nature. As He says He "CANNOT" lie.
He "CANNOT" let a firm and clear promise go unfulfilled when the humans involved do their part.
Certainly it IS His Will, as well.
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You don't need to legalisticallly parse this to death. Why would I suggest SAD had no friends in Mercer Island??? She went to high school there; of course she had friends there.
It is also true that shortly after magically materializing in Seattle, SAD borrowed a car from ONE OF HER MOTHER'S FRIENDS, drove to Mercer Island and visited two of her high school friends [whom, by their own admission, she did not visit again during her stay in Seattle].
However, SAD had NO FRIENDS IN SEATTLE. This is why she had to hire A TOTAL STRANGER to babysit Little Barry while she attended classes. This is a fact.
SAD did, however, have an aunt in the Vancouver area. That was her closest relative when she lived in Seattle.
What I said was absolutely true. SAD's family was in HI. Had she given birth in Kenya there was no reason for her to expend the enormous extra expense of traveling to Seattle, only to pay an additional, enormous charge to return to HI for the '62 fall semester. It's nonsensical.
Because it made no sense. Mercer Island is an Island but its like a Seattle suburb. Growing up there we had friends on Mercer Island, Seattle and Bellevue. I used to go to parties on Mercer Island. I also read an article which said her friends came to visit her on Capital Hill. Whatever. Its just a fact that friends were nearby.
Mercer Island to Capital Hill 16-20 minutes. Probably way less back then.
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@Quix, for the love of God, MacCaulay Culkin never gave an interview abouf shoes made of human skin. It was debunked almost as soon as it was dreamed up.
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@Quix, for the love of God, MacCaulay Culkin never gave an interview abouf shoes made of human skin. It was debunked almost as soon as it was dreamed up.
He did get pretty creepy on drugs.
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I do think Obama lied, saying he was a foreign student so he could get free college and that is why his college records were kept private.
I haven't kept very good track of the birther arguments this way or that. I'm fairly well convinced that he is NOT a genuine natural born citizen according to the law and regs defining that Constitutional requirement at the time of his birth.
Whether he was born in Kenya or Canada or Indonesia, I don't know. I'm extremely skeptical he was born in Hawaii.
You seem to gloss over the fact that he publicly declared himself a Kenyan at least a time or 3.
Certainly he's as much of a pathological liar as HRC--or near so. If he told someone this was August, they'd still be wise to check the calendar.
I believe his records are hidden for more serious reasons than you seem to think is the case. I think the birther stuff is just part of it. I have no idea what the rest of it might be and it could be strictly the birth issue but I'm skeptical.
It could be that were the records public, a long string of lies would be exposed, as well.
Certainly the Marxist purported grandparents and parents helped the oligarchy select him and groom him from very early on as the Marxist Muslim stooge to help massively destroy the Republic health and viability of the US of A.
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@Quix, for the love of God, MacCaulay Culkin never gave an interview abouf shoes made of human skin. It was debunked almost as soon as it was dreamed up.
I'm not certain one way or the other.
I don't necessarily trust cries of !DEBUNKED ALREADY! any more than I trust other utterances from the MSM etc.
It was plausible. I wasn't there. You haven't lived with him 24/7 either. Time will tell.
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He did get pretty creepy on drugs.
And, there were some pretty creepy looks in his eyes and face on a number of occasions--looks quite consistent with looks common to folks involved in very dark goings on.
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And, there were some pretty creepy looks in his eyes and face on a number of occasions--looks quite consistent with looks common to folks involved in very dark goings on.
Kenyans identify with him as Kenya Son. What was completely dark was his campaigning for his Cousin Odinga in Kenya. When he lost the election he was responsible for the blood bath that followed.
Obama was completely involved in that election for his cousin in Kenya.
And of course its always dark when a person is deceptive about who he is.
(https://h2ooflife.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/image001sm.jpg)
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@Quix, for the love of God, MacCaulay Culkin never gave an interview abouf shoes made of human skin. It was debunked almost as soon as it was dreamed up.
Sounds like you believe Snopes???
Anyway--here's a quickly compiled smattering of sources on Culkin, including some on that topic:
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Heather O'Rourke: Part 3 (pizzagate)
submitted 4 months ago by darkknight111
To those who are new to this case and to this board, Heather O'Rourke was a child actress during the 1980's who was a victim of the Hollywood pedophile rings. Be Warned: this is a very stomach churning lead.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2494380 (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2494380) Part 1 of Heather O'Rourke investigation.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2503162 (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2503162) Part 2 of Heather O'Rourke investigation.
I found some more information over the past two days. The circumstances of this case have become even worse than originally believed...and I am full blown enraged. The people who did this are in need of a "Very Special Punishment."
https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/19512b03b574b15172a018caf24c557a935db9e8eeba6613f4b785c3f8ca1809.jpg/maxresdefault_(2).jpg (https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/19512b03b574b15172a018caf24c557a935db9e8eeba6613f4b785c3f8ca1809.jpg/maxresdefault_(2).jpg) MacCauley Culkin wants to talk.
https://gab.ai/MacaulayCulkin (https://gab.ai/MacaulayCulkin) He's been retweeting posts regarding that allegded interview of his last year. This I believe this is solid proof that said interview mentioning Heather O'Rourke is REAL.
https://www.minds.com/archive/thumbnail/692824800212557831/xlarge (https://www.minds.com/archive/thumbnail/692824800212557831/xlarge) He's buddies with Elijah Woods, another Hollywood Actor who's been trying to warn about Pedowood. I'm starting to suspect Mr Culkin is one of "our guys" in Hollywood. Instead of being a bad guy, I believe that he's "broken from the horrors and trying to recover".
https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/14515d202b6f28877e09158ad9f15e1787ebb3c3d06e17f3f0341b624187e57b.jpg/IMG_-wf1thw.jpgJPG (https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/14515d202b6f28877e09158ad9f15e1787ebb3c3d06e17f3f0341b624187e57b.jpg/IMG_-wf1thw.jpgJPG) Bit from an interview with a Paris Radio Show. Leather shoes from human skin have distinct appearance.
https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/c4bf0a74670325287c746b134ac8010b2beae93f553bcf7633b699f87c532342.jpg/IMG_-xvb371.jpgJPG (https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/c4bf0a74670325287c746b134ac8010b2beae93f553bcf7633b699f87c532342.jpg/IMG_-xvb371.jpgJPG) Continued from above.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9p0EMeFUqsUYouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9p0EMeFUqsUYouTube) The interview itself. The exec that tried to molest him refered to his shoes being made from Heather O'Rourke's skin. Note that the original article was scrubbed from the internet within hours of appearing. The fact that this was scrubbed is further evidence that it is real.
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/blind-items-revealed-30.html?m=1 (http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/blind-items-revealed-30.html?m=1) If my deduction is correct, given the above, the Heather O'Rourke story could be the subject of the threats in this blind. I personally suspect that the bad shit in Culkin's life (the drugs) was from trauma due to the horrors he saw (namely the O'Rourke skin shoes).
https://conservativedailypost.com/culkin-interview-elites-satanic-child-murder-sacrifice-victim-identified-as-skin-trophies-worn/ (https://conservativedailypost.com/culkin-interview-elites-satanic-child-murder-sacrifice-victim-identified-as-skin-trophies-worn/) The executive specifically mentioned getting carried away with Heather O'Rourke. I think I know the identity of the executive from that incident. It's HIM, one of the culprits. Either Gene Abravaya or Arthur Annecharico.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDeIW6DSOlYYouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDeIW6DSOlYYouTube) Video of the actual funeral service. Note that is an open casket service. This is very importany as it relates to a deduction on both the time line of the skinning and the howdunnit. The most likely timeline is sometime shortly AFTER the funeral. The howdunnit being the body was stolen from the casket overnight, skinned, then returned to the casket. Meaning the grave was either dug up or not fully buried yet (possibly the night immediately after the funeral).
-Current Working Theory:
Suspects: Steven Spielberg (Poltergeist incidents), Gene Abravaya, Arthur Annechario (Rocky Road incident), the tutor in the episode of Rocky Road (certainty unknown). The mom and/or step dad are possible accomplices/accessories.
Cause of Death: Sepsis infection due to intestinal blockage. Said blockage being a fecal impaction whose contamination of Heather's blood was caused by anal rape. Body was desecrated post-morteum via "skinning". Said skin was turned into leather as a trophy for the culprits.
Timeline of last days: 1/24-1/28/1988, the fatal rape incident. 1/31/1988, Heather O'Rourke's fatal downturn. 2/1/1988. Heather O'Rourke's death. The "skinning" most likely happened sometime within a few days after her funeral, due to it being an open casket funeral (ie defiled the grave at night).
Time of fatal incident: Some time between 1/24/1988 and 1/28/1988, likely during midday or afternoon..
Recommended course of action: Anyone with either a Twitter or Gab account needs to get in contact with MacCauly Culkin, for I believe he is a person of interest in this case. Notify him that "there are private investigators who wish to hear his story and we would love to know what he knows about Hollywood pedophile rings". Bring him here with a specific "code name" so we'll know its him.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2531148 (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2531148)
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BEFORE YOU COMMENT PLEASE LISTEN TO THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS VIDEO WHEN I SAY I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS TRUE BUT IM SHARING WHAT I HAVE HEARD WITH YOU GUYS ANYWAY. PEOPLE CAN RESEARCH IT FOR THEMSELVES. I ALSO LEFT A WEBSITE PINNED TO THE COMMENT SECTION ON THIS SUBJECT AS WELL. THANK YOU
Macaulay Culkin: Satanic Hollywood Elites Murder Children During Rituals
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https://ruclip.com/video/p4Zje8nWJ48/macaulay-culkin-satanic-hollywood-elites-murder-children-during-rituals.html (https://ruclip.com/video/p4Zje8nWJ48/macaulay-culkin-satanic-hollywood-elites-murder-children-during-rituals.html)
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Poltergeist Actress Heather O’Rourke Killed By Hollywood Pedophile Ring?
Pizzagate: Hollywood Pedophile Scandal - Entertainment Lawyer Claims Heather O’Rourke Was Killed By Hollywood Pedophile Ring.
I think Hollywood needs to be looked at, because it seems like it is run by satanic pedophiles, like the elite in England and the Vatican City.
There is something wrong, and media and government seems to help the elite pedophiles.
I think the whole elite is run on blackmail. If you are a pedophile and have killed a child, you can be trusted by the powers that be, because you are one of them, and can't betray them.
This is why nothing is going to change.
Satanic Pedophiles run the world.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7rxzbm/poltergeist_actress_heather_orourke_killed_by/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7rxzbm/poltergeist_actress_heather_orourke_killed_by/)
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Human Skin Shoes mp3 Download
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THE CONTROVERSIAL LIFE OF CHILD STAR MACAULAY CULKIN
http://www.90skidsonly.com/1235611/controversial-life-child-star-macaulay-culkin/ (http://www.90skidsonly.com/1235611/controversial-life-child-star-macaulay-culkin/)
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Did Macaulay Culkin Say Satanic Hollywood Executives Wear Shoes Made From Dead Children? Snopes article debunks what Culkin said in December of 2017 ... but we know snopes is fake news ...
https://twitter.com/josiefiorda/status/1007364766728196096 (https://twitter.com/josiefiorda/status/1007364766728196096)
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Kenyans identify with him as Kenya Son. What was completely dark was his campaigning for his Cousin Odinga in Kenya. When he lost the election he was responsible for the blood bath that followed.
Obama was completely involved in that election for his cousin in Kenya.
And of course its always dark when a person is deceptive about who he is.
(https://h2ooflife.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/image001sm.jpg)
That's more than plausible, to me. Thanks.
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Sounds like you believe Snopes???
Anyway--here's a quickly compiled smattering of sources on Culkin, including some on that topic:
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Heather O'Rourke: Part 3 (pizzagate)
submitted 4 months ago by darkknight111
To those who are new to this case and to this board, Heather O'Rourke was a child actress during the 1980's who was a victim of the Hollywood pedophile rings. Be Warned: this is a very stomach churning lead.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2494380 (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2494380) Part 1 of Heather O'Rourke investigation.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2503162 (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2503162) Part 2 of Heather O'Rourke investigation.
I found some more information over the past two days. The circumstances of this case have become even worse than originally believed...and I am full blown enraged. The people who did this are in need of a "Very Special Punishment."
https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/19512b03b574b15172a018caf24c557a935db9e8eeba6613f4b785c3f8ca1809.jpg/maxresdefault_(2).jpg (https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/19512b03b574b15172a018caf24c557a935db9e8eeba6613f4b785c3f8ca1809.jpg/maxresdefault_(2).jpg) MacCauley Culkin wants to talk.
https://gab.ai/MacaulayCulkin (https://gab.ai/MacaulayCulkin) He's been retweeting posts regarding that allegded interview of his last year. This I believe this is solid proof that said interview mentioning Heather O'Rourke is REAL.
https://www.minds.com/archive/thumbnail/692824800212557831/xlarge (https://www.minds.com/archive/thumbnail/692824800212557831/xlarge) He's buddies with Elijah Woods, another Hollywood Actor who's been trying to warn about Pedowood. I'm starting to suspect Mr Culkin is one of "our guys" in Hollywood. Instead of being a bad guy, I believe that he's "broken from the horrors and trying to recover".
https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/14515d202b6f28877e09158ad9f15e1787ebb3c3d06e17f3f0341b624187e57b.jpg/IMG_-wf1thw.jpgJPG (https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/14515d202b6f28877e09158ad9f15e1787ebb3c3d06e17f3f0341b624187e57b.jpg/IMG_-wf1thw.jpgJPG) Bit from an interview with a Paris Radio Show. Leather shoes from human skin have distinct appearance.
https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/c4bf0a74670325287c746b134ac8010b2beae93f553bcf7633b699f87c532342.jpg/IMG_-xvb371.jpgJPG (https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/c4bf0a74670325287c746b134ac8010b2beae93f553bcf7633b699f87c532342.jpg/IMG_-xvb371.jpgJPG) Continued from above.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9p0EMeFUqsUYouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9p0EMeFUqsUYouTube) The interview itself. The exec that tried to molest him refered to his shoes being made from Heather O'Rourke's skin. Note that the original article was scrubbed from the internet within hours of appearing. The fact that this was scrubbed is further evidence that it is real.
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/blind-items-revealed-30.html?m=1 (http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/blind-items-revealed-30.html?m=1) If my deduction is correct, given the above, the Heather O'Rourke story could be the subject of the threats in this blind. I personally suspect that the bad shit in Culkin's life (the drugs) was from trauma due to the horrors he saw (namely the O'Rourke skin shoes).
https://conservativedailypost.com/culkin-interview-elites-satanic-child-murder-sacrifice-victim-identified-as-skin-trophies-worn/ (https://conservativedailypost.com/culkin-interview-elites-satanic-child-murder-sacrifice-victim-identified-as-skin-trophies-worn/) The executive specifically mentioned getting carried away with Heather O'Rourke. I think I know the identity of the executive from that incident. It's HIM, one of the culprits. Either Gene Abravaya or Arthur Annecharico.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDeIW6DSOlYYouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDeIW6DSOlYYouTube) Video of the actual funeral service. Note that is an open casket service. This is very importany as it relates to a deduction on both the time line of the skinning and the howdunnit. The most likely timeline is sometime shortly AFTER the funeral. The howdunnit being the body was stolen from the casket overnight, skinned, then returned to the casket. Meaning the grave was either dug up or not fully buried yet (possibly the night immediately after the funeral).
-Current Working Theory:
Suspects: Steven Spielberg (Poltergeist incidents), Gene Abravaya, Arthur Annechario (Rocky Road incident), the tutor in the episode of Rocky Road (certainty unknown). The mom and/or step dad are possible accomplices/accessories.
Cause of Death: Sepsis infection due to intestinal blockage. Said blockage being a fecal impaction whose contamination of Heather's blood was caused by anal rape. Body was desecrated post-morteum via "skinning". Said skin was turned into leather as a trophy for the culprits.
Timeline of last days: 1/24-1/28/1988, the fatal rape incident. 1/31/1988, Heather O'Rourke's fatal downturn. 2/1/1988. Heather O'Rourke's death. The "skinning" most likely happened sometime within a few days after her funeral, due to it being an open casket funeral (ie defiled the grave at night).
Time of fatal incident: Some time between 1/24/1988 and 1/28/1988, likely during midday or afternoon..
Recommended course of action: Anyone with either a Twitter or Gab account needs to get in contact with MacCauly Culkin, for I believe he is a person of interest in this case. Notify him that "there are private investigators who wish to hear his story and we would love to know what he knows about Hollywood pedophile rings". Bring him here with a specific "code name" so we'll know its him.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2531148 (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2531148)
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BEFORE YOU COMMENT PLEASE LISTEN TO THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS VIDEO WHEN I SAY I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS TRUE BUT IM SHARING WHAT I HAVE HEARD WITH YOU GUYS ANYWAY. PEOPLE CAN RESEARCH IT FOR THEMSELVES. I ALSO LEFT A WEBSITE PINNED TO THE COMMENT SECTION ON THIS SUBJECT AS WELL. THANK YOU
Macaulay Culkin: Satanic Hollywood Elites Murder Children During Rituals
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https://ruclip.com/video/p4Zje8nWJ48/macaulay-culkin-satanic-hollywood-elites-murder-children-during-rituals.html (https://ruclip.com/video/p4Zje8nWJ48/macaulay-culkin-satanic-hollywood-elites-murder-children-during-rituals.html)
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Poltergeist Actress Heather O’Rourke Killed By Hollywood Pedophile Ring?
Pizzagate: Hollywood Pedophile Scandal - Entertainment Lawyer Claims Heather O’Rourke Was Killed By Hollywood Pedophile Ring.
I think Hollywood needs to be looked at, because it seems like it is run by satanic pedophiles, like the elite in England and the Vatican City.
There is something wrong, and media and government seems to help the elite pedophiles.
I think the whole elite is run on blackmail. If you are a pedophile and have killed a child, you can be trusted by the powers that be, because you are one of them, and can't betray them.
This is why nothing is going to change.
Satanic Pedophiles run the world.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7rxzbm/poltergeist_actress_heather_orourke_killed_by/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7rxzbm/poltergeist_actress_heather_orourke_killed_by/)
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THE CONTROVERSIAL LIFE OF CHILD STAR MACAULAY CULKIN
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Did Macaulay Culkin Say Satanic Hollywood Executives Wear Shoes Made From Dead Children? Snopes article debunks what Culkin said in December of 2017 ... but we know snopes is fake news ...
https://twitter.com/josiefiorda/status/1007364766728196096 (https://twitter.com/josiefiorda/status/1007364766728196096)
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@Quix
You have more links so you win Pizza Gate, but when the hell are we gonna stop dancing around the real issues? :Aliens: Tell me about the lizard people.
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@Quix
You have more links so you win Pizza Gate, but when the hell are we gonna stop dancing around the real issues? :Aliens: Tell me about the lizard people.
LOLOL.
I'm not a fan of the lizard people theme.
I do believe there are likely reptoid critters--fallen angels, at least, playing that "ET" role. And there are some interesting Biblical interpretations of some Old Testament passages. And some interesting Native/tribal people's narratives about such critters.
Nevertheless, it is not a fun topic for me and it is certainly extremely hard to even guess what is disinformation/misinformation vs truth in that ball park.
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LOLOL.
I'm not a fan of the lizard people theme.
I do believe there are likely reptoid critters--fallen angels, at least, playing that "ET" role. And there are some interesting Biblical interpretations of some Old Testament passages. And some interesting Native/tribal people's narratives about such critters.
Nevertheless, it is not a fun topic for me and it is certainly extremely hard to even guess what is disinformation/misinformation vs truth in that ball park.
Yes, it's not straight forward like the thousands of sealed indictments about to bust the liberal establishment wide open, and usher in the golden age of Trump. The liberals and GOP Establishment are gonna be so faced. [lighter strikes] [sounds of bubbles] CHOKE, cough...hack hack. sputter.
I admire your steadfastness @Quix . You take hits with a class, optimism, and humor I envy. If the aliens abduct me tonight, I hope we find you, Elvis, Bigfoot, and DB Cooper and party until dawn.
Like many Republicans, you might support Trump, but you also love America, our military, job producing businesses, minority voters, your family and friends, science, education, and US grade A Beef.
These things should not be disregarded just because you worship the baphomet of the free masons and Rosicrucians. I for one will mourn your trial as a heritic.
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Yes, it's not straight forward like the thousands of sealed indictments about to bust the liberal establishment wide open, and usher in the golden age of Trump. The liberals and GOP Establishment are gonna be so faced. [lighter strikes] [sounds of bubbles] CHOKE, cough...hack hack. sputter.
I admire your steadfastness @Quix . You take hits with a class, optimism, and humor I envy. If the aliens abduct me tonight, I hope we find you, Elvis, Bigfoot, and DB Cooper and party until dawn.
Like many Republicans, you might support Trump, but you also love America, our military, job producing businesses, minority voters, your family and friends, science, education, and US grade A Beef.
These things should not be disregarded just because you worship the baphomet of the free masons and Rosicrucians. I for one will mourn your trial as a heritic.
LOL.
There used to be a bloke on FR--don't remember who--that used to say that if he ever got abducted by a UFO, he'd ask them to swing by my place to apologize for all the hostile criticism he'd dished out about my posts on that topic. LOL.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, thanks for your kind words.
However, this
These things should not be disregarded just because you worship the baphomet of the free masons and Rosicrucians. I for one will mourn your trial as a heritic.
Is the opposite of my values, as I suspect you know--so I'm mystified by that sentence.
Anyway--I appreciate your degree of understanding of my character and values--minus that last sentence. LOL.
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However, this
These things should not be disregarded just because you worship the baphomet of the free masons and Rosicrucians. I for one will mourn your trial as a heritic.
Is the opposite of my values, as I suspect you know--so I'm mystified by that sentence.
Anyway--I appreciate your degree of understanding of my character and values--minus that last sentence. LOL.[/b][/font][/size][/color]
So no devil worshiping? good to know. I don't understand why the devil worshipers do that....didn't they read revelations?
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Oh, I used to be disgusted
Now I try to be amused
But since their wings have got rusted
You know the angels wanna wear my red shoes
-Elvis Costello
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Because it made no sense. Mercer Island is an Island but its like a Seattle suburb. Growing up there we had friends on Mercer Island, Seattle and Bellevue. I used to go to parties on Mercer Island. I also read an article which said her friends came to visit her on Capital Hill. Whatever. Its just a fact that friends were nearby.
Mercer Island to Capital Hill 16-20 minutes. Probably way less back then.
A, SAD didn't have a car. So if it was ~8 miles from the UoW to one of her friend's houses, what are you suggesting? That she walked? Hitchhiked? There is a record that she borrowed a car once. Not twice, once. Just being able to make up scenarios in your imagination does not make them true.
B, The friends SAD visited have been interviewed repeatedly. They each confirm that there was only one [1] visit between them and SAD. That one, single, lone visit happened when SAD borrowed a car from her mother's friend and drove to Mercer Island. Her friends mention NO ADDITIONAL VISITS. [The friends are Susan Blake and Maxine Box. If you have an actual link naming different friends with additional visits, please post it. I don't believe such a link exists bc SAD's life has been painstaking documented: 2 friends, 1 visit.]
C, Think about what you're arguing. Your point is that SAD's parents, who could only afford to rent a single room, were paying for their daughter to jet set around the globe in part so that she could indulge a single visit with her Mercer Island friends.
Are you serious???
I have confirmed that SAD's mother, at this time, was working as a teller. A lowly bank teller. SAD's father was almost certainly on commission at the furniture store. No wonder they could only afford to rent a single room [embarrassing as it must have been to have their daughter sleeping in the hallway outside their bedroom door for a whole semester]. They were just scraping by. But you believe that after flying SAD to Kenya, they flew her to Mercer Island so she could visit with high school friends??? Then they'd still be on the hook to fly her back to Honolulu???
That theory is a nonstarter. It is beyond believable. If SAD's parents could manage a one-way ticket from HI to Vancouver in '61, it likely stretched their finances to the breaking point. That's probably the reason SAD was stranded in Seattle for ~10 mos; it took her parents that long to scrounge enough $ to fly her back to Honolulu.
As to why they sent her to Vancouver to begin with, Obama Sr supplies the answer. He said she was to deliver the baby at the Salvation Army home for unwed mothers, and then give it up for adoption. My personal guess as to why the second step in the plan didn't happen is that mixed race babies were not in demand in '61. No adoptive parents wanted a half-Kenyan baby and SAD was saddled with him. Of course this is only speculation, but it certainly seems to fit. In Indonesia SAD pushed Little Barry off onto a tranny nanny [who slept in Barry's room] and as soon as possible she dumped Barry on her parents. She just never seemed to want him much, if appearances mean anything. Fwiw.
[Note: It was not unusual for a pregnant daughter in the early 60s to be sent to 'visit an aunt,' until the pregnancy was over. It was a common way of handling such situations.]
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A, SAD didn't have a car. So if it was ~8 miles from the UoW to one of her friend's houses, what are you suggesting? That she walked? Hitchhiked? There is a record that she borrowed a car once. Not twice, once. Just being able to make up scenarios in your imagination does not make them true.
B, The friends SAD visited have been interviewed repeatedly. They each confirm that there was only one [1] visit between them and SAD. That one, single, lone visit happened when SAD borrowed a car from her mother's friend and drove to Mercer Island. Her friends mention NO ADDITIONAL VISITS. [The friends are Susan Blake and Maxine Box. If you have an actual link naming different friends with additional visits, please post it. I don't believe such a link exists bc SAD's life has been painstaking documented: 2 friends, 1 visit.]
C, Think about what you're arguing. Your point is that SAD's parents, who could only afford to rent a single room, were paying for their daughter to jet set around the globe in part so that she could indulge a single visit with her Mercer Island friends.
Are you serious???
I have confirmed that SAD's mother, at this time, was working as a teller. A lowly bank teller. SAD's father was almost certainly on commission at the furniture store. No wonder they could only afford to rent a single room [embarrassing as it must have been to have their daughter sleeping in the hallway outside their bedroom door for a whole semester]. They were just scraping by. But you believe that after flying SAD to Kenya, they flew her to Mercer Island so she could visit with high school friends??? Then they'd still be on the hook to fly her back to Honolulu???
That theory is a nonstarter. It is beyond believable. If SAD's parents could manage a one-way ticket from HI to Vancouver in '61, it likely stretched their finances to the breaking point. That's probably the reason SAD was stranded in Seattle for ~10 mos; it took her parents that long to scrounge enough $ to fly her back to Honolulu.
As to why they sent her to Vancouver to begin with, Obama Sr supplies the answer. He said she was to deliver the baby at the Salvation Army home for unwed mothers, and then give it up for adoption. My personal guess as to why the second step in the plan didn't happen is that mixed race babies were not in demand in '61. No adoptive parents wanted a half-Kenyan baby and SAD was saddled with him. Of course this is only speculation, but it certainly seems to fit. In Indonesia SAD pushed Little Barry off onto a tranny nanny [who slept in Barry's room] and as soon as possible she dumped Barry on her parents. She just never seemed to want him much, if appearances mean anything. Fwiw.
[Note: It was not unusual for a pregnant daughter in the early 60s to be sent to 'visit an aunt,' until the pregnancy was over. It was a common way of handling such situations.]
Wow, I have to say you are really obsessed with this. Believe me people get around in Seattle. This article shows that SAD lived in Mercer Island but made her way to coffee shops in the University district. She wanted to go to school at the U.W. and that is what she did until she went back to Hawaii. I have no idea how she got the money but she did. This article talks about friends since you are so interested.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/obamas-mother-known-here-as-uncommon/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/obamas-mother-known-here-as-uncommon/) Her husband was sponsored to attend college in the U.S
Her husband was sponsored to go to college in the U.S. He had support from Kenya and I don't believe that SAD was totally reliant on her parents. So, listen to yourself. You say she went to Vancouver. She had to have money to get to Vancouver or Seattle.
All I know is that she gave birth and grandma said it was in Kenya. Which would be consistent with Tribal traditions.
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And here is something for you. The reason we are on page 15 of this thread because there was obviously a cover up for that time period. The information needed was denied and records were destroyed. The fact that they wanted to cover SAD passport information makes me all the more certain that she traveled to places they don't want anyone to know.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-stanley-ann-dunham-began-studies-in-september-1961-not-august/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-stanley-ann-dunham-began-studies-in-september-1961-not-august/)
This is certainly my last post on this issue. Because as others have said nothing is going to come of this.
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Wow, I have to say you are really obsessed with this. Believe me people get around in Seattle. This article shows that SAD lived in Mercer Island but made her way to coffee shops in the University district. She wanted to go to school at the U.W. and that is what she did until she went back to Hawaii. I have no idea how she got the money but she did. This article talks about friends since you are so interested.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/obamas-mother-known-here-as-uncommon/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/obamas-mother-known-here-as-uncommon/) Her husband was sponsored to attend college in the U.S
Her husband was sponsored to go to college in the U.S. He had support from Kenya and I don't believe that SAD was totally reliant on her parents. So, listen to yourself. You say she went to Vancouver. She had to have money to get to Vancouver or Seattle.
All I know is that she gave birth and grandma said it was in Kenya. Which would be consistent with Tribal traditions.
Is"obsessed," your way of saying, "well informed and focused on the facts,"? In which case I agree; I do know the facts and I do avoid ad hominem and snark.
If you're going to believe Mama Sarah then you must believe in the HI birth.
'Six months after they wed, another letter arrived in Kenya, announcing the birth of Barack Hussein Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961. Despite her husband's continued anger, Sarah Obama said in a recent interview, she "was so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S."'
(Note: Nobody claims Mama Sarah was confused or lost in translation during this interview.)
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-03-27/features/0703270151_1_sen-barack-obama-stanley-ann-dunham-coffee-shops/4 (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-03-27/features/0703270151_1_sen-barack-obama-stanley-ann-dunham-coffee-shops/4)
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On a radio show last Friday, Zullo revealed that two members of the U.S. intelligence community, over which the mainstream media generally fawns, informed him that it is an “open secret†that Obama could never satisfy the understood requirement that the president must be born in the United States as part of the Constitution’s Article II eligibility criteria.
Based on Zullo’s findings and those of two well-respected forensic analysts that the long-form birth certificate image is a forgery; Zullo’s recent revelation of the “open secret†of Obama’s foreign birth; the alleged involvement, or at a minimum, knowledge, of the CIA and others in the “intelligence community,†an ineligible individual apparently held the office of President of the United States, commanded the U.S. military, led foreign policy, and signed executive orders and congressional bills into “law.â€
“It is illegal for an American campaign to accept, or solicit, anything of value from foreign nationals. The law aims to prevent foreign influence in U.S. elections,†touted USAToday on Wednesday.
“In short, there is growing evidence that the president is, to use the word favored by Richard Nixon, “a crook,†Boot crowed in his column.
The “crook†who created and uploaded the birth certificate forgery has not yet been identified, although on several radio shows over the summer, Zullo has stated that “all roads lead to [former CA Director ] John Brennan.â€
Some would argue that there is “growing evidence†of a conspiracy to place a foreign national in the White House, apparently to “fundamentally transform the United States of America,†and, now that his successor is Donald Trump and not Hillary Clinton, an equally-strong conspiracy to remove him from office.
Some would argue, because Trump was the first public persona to raise the Obama “birth certificate†issue to the national level, that he poses an existential threat to the “crooks†who knew that Obama was “an immigrant,†as stated by former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson in 2008, yet thwarted the truth from emerging with daily, purposeful intent.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/24/who-is-the-crook-who-created-the-birth-certificate-forgery/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/24/who-is-the-crook-who-created-the-birth-certificate-forgery/)
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The “crook†who created and uploaded the birth certificate forgery has not yet been identified, although on several radio shows over the summer, Zullo has stated that “all roads lead to [former CA Director ] John Brennan.â€
Some would argue that there is “growing evidence†of a conspiracy to place a foreign national in the White House, apparently to “fundamentally transform the United States of America,†and, now that his successor is Donald Trump and not Hillary Clinton, an equally-strong conspiracy to remove him from office.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised by that.
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I wouldn't be terribly surprised by that.
Nor would I. Not in the least.
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On a radio show last Friday, Zullo revealed that two members of the U.S. intelligence community, over which the mainstream media generally fawns, informed him that it is an “open secret†that Obama could never satisfy the understood requirement that the president must be born in the United States as part of the Constitution’s Article II eligibility criteria.
Based on Zullo’s findings and those of two well-respected forensic analysts that the long-form birth certificate image is a forgery; Zullo’s recent revelation of the “open secret†of Obama’s foreign birth; the alleged involvement, or at a minimum, knowledge, of the CIA and others in the “intelligence community,†an ineligible individual apparently held the office of President of the United States, commanded the U.S. military, led foreign policy, and signed executive orders and congressional bills into “law.â€
“It is illegal for an American campaign to accept, or solicit, anything of value from foreign nationals. The law aims to prevent foreign influence in U.S. elections,†touted USAToday on Wednesday.
“In short, there is growing evidence that the president is, to use the word favored by Richard Nixon, “a crook,†Boot crowed in his column.
The “crook†who created and uploaded the birth certificate forgery has not yet been identified, although on several radio shows over the summer, Zullo has stated that “all roads lead to [former CA Director ] John Brennan.â€
Some would argue that there is “growing evidence†of a conspiracy to place a foreign national in the White House, apparently to “fundamentally transform the United States of America,†and, now that his successor is Donald Trump and not Hillary Clinton, an equally-strong conspiracy to remove him from office.
Some would argue, because Trump was the first public persona to raise the Obama “birth certificate†issue to the national level, that he poses an existential threat to the “crooks†who knew that Obama was “an immigrant,†as stated by former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson in 2008, yet thwarted the truth from emerging with daily, purposeful intent.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/24/who-is-the-crook-who-created-the-birth-certificate-forgery/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/08/24/who-is-the-crook-who-created-the-birth-certificate-forgery/)
Now that's something I hadn't heard, the someone in the Government created the fake birth certificate (other than the one in Hawaii).
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Now that's something I hadn't heard, the someone in the Government created the fake birth certificate (other than the one in Hawaii).
So you believed that Obama's personal attorney, Judith Corley, picked up certified copies of the long-form document in Hawaii and brought them back to the White House?
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So you believed that Obama's personal attorney, Judith Corley, picked up certified copies of the long-form document in Hawaii and brought them back to the White House?
I have nothing to believe or disbelieve on this either way.
I have no idea.
Just rounding up, in my mind, the various scenarios and theories at play.
My mind being what it is........not much goes on in there.
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I have nothing to believe or disbelieve on this either way.
I have no idea.
Just rounding up, in my mind, the various scenarios and theories at play.
My mind being what it is........not much goes on in there.
I know from your posts that's not true.
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I know from your posts that's not true.
LOL. Thanks.
The same can be said for the both of us.
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CDR Kerchner (Ret) Discusses Recent Obama Birth Certificate Comment
(Sep. 12, 2018) — For anyone who might have missed it, retired Navy commander, former lead plaintiff in Kerchner v. Obama & Congress, et al and “natural born Citizen†researcher Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret) was a guest on the Peter Boyles radio show this morning to discuss Obama’s recent rally speech he gave at the University of Illinois Friday while stumping for Democrats running for Congress.
During his remarks, Obama decried Donald Trump’s policies and called for “sanity†to return to American politics. He also invoked the topic of his “birth certificate,†referring to the image posted on the White House website in 2011 found to be a forgery by a five-year criminal investigation. Another brief remark referred to the September 11, 2012 attack on a U.S. compound in Benghazi, Libya in which four Americans were killed as a “conspiracy theory.â€
https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/09/12/cdr-kerchner-ret-discusses-recent-obama-birth-certificate-comment/ (https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/09/12/cdr-kerchner-ret-discusses-recent-obama-birth-certificate-comment/)
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Nor would I. Not in the least.
Look, @Bigun I have no idea what the previous posts have been on this matter, but it is an exercise in futility and will only serve to rouse the last remnants of the Obama lovers.
Obama was only able to draw 750 people to his last rally and that included his extended family.
He was a disaster but maybe we learned something.
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Look, @Bigun I have no idea what the previous posts have been on this matter, but it is an exercise in futility and will only serve to rouse the last remnants of the Obama lovers.
Obama was only able to draw 750 people to his last rally and that included his extended family.
He was a disaster but maybe we learned something.
We did, as a nation. Identity politics isn't good for America.
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We did, as a nation. Identity politics isn't good for America.
:thumbsup: Cory Booker wants to run for president in 2020. ANOTHER OBAMA. Already on corrupt list by Judicial Watch, just like obama.
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The telltale point is that Q never seeks to mitigate any of this. I.e.: Q never urges followers to stop brutally attacking fellow Trump supporters. They [there is no doubt that Q is a group] never counsel patience and kindness toward skeptics. Rather, Qers are locked in highly destructive activities/relationships and Q never lifts a finger to stop the bleeding.
Some Q believer needs to explain why this devastating behavior is allowed to go unchecked. It speaks VERY poorly of Q.
Are you serious? lol lol. Obama started the division & as president, egged it on, paid for riots from out taxes, never told them to stop attacking white people, cops. POLAR BEAR HUNTING. killing police, execution style. He was president & could have stopped a lot of problems, instead he created them! Are you for real? This is the result. Q, is a group, not president, not in any office, on the internet. :silly:
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This whole thread is akin to closing the barn door after the nag has already ran away,isn't it?
Same thing with all the Bubbette! threads that make the claim that "THIS TIME Bubba and Bubbette! are really and truly going to jail,honest!"
It just ain't going to happen,period.
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This whole thread is akin to closing the barn door after the nag has already ran away,isn't it?
Same thing with all the Bubbette! threads that make the claim that "THIS TIME Bubba and Bubbette! are really and truly going to jail,honest!"
It just ain't going to happen,period.
Oh, but THIS TIME was have a different President, recruited in 2015 by the U.S. military specifically for the task of destroying the crooked, treasonous Deep State. (At least I hope that he survives--physically and in office--long enough to do what I surmise that he is planning at this time. Let's wait and see.)
Trump is quite a bit different from Clinton and Obama and even the Bushes.
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Trump is quite a bit different from Clinton and Obama and even the Bushes.
How do you figger that, @the_doc ? They're FRIENDS.
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@Chosen Daughter
@Bigun
@Quix
How do you figger that, @the_doc ? They're FRIENDS.
Trump is not that loyal to his former friends. Such loyalty would require more integrity than you think he has. (LOL)
Besides, Trump can't stand the Bushes. And he definitely loathes Obama. I believe he'll see to it that Obama gets hanged for treason. As I have said over and over, wait and see what our weird, shifty POTUS does. (I don't think we will have too much longer...but the Trump haters still have a lot of power to screw up his timetables.)
Anyway, that's exactly how I figger it.
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@Chosen Daughter
@Bigun
@Quix
Trump is not that loyal to his former friends. Such loyalty would require more integrity than you think he has. (LOL)
Besides, Trump can't stand the Bushes. And he definitely loathes Obama. I believe he'll see to it that Obama gets hanged for treason. As I have said over and over, wait and see what our weird, shifty POTUS does. (I don't think we will have too much longer...but the Trump haters still have a lot of power to screw up his timetables.)
Anyway, that's exactly how I figger it.
I would take the bet that none of them will ever be convicted... Certainly not by anything that Tump will do.
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@Chosen Daughter
@Bigun
I would take the bet that none of them will ever be convicted... Certainly not by anything that Tump will do.
Well, we'll see who's the real sage on this forum, won't we? :pondering:
(In all seriousness, there are a LOT of deceptions taking place at this time. We aren't just wrestling with flesh and blood, you know.)
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Oh, but THIS TIME was have a different President, recruited in 2015 by the U.S. military specifically for the task of destroying the crooked, treasonous Deep State. (At least I hope that he survives--physically and in office--long enough to do what I surmise that he is planning at this time. Let's wait and see.)
@the_doc
PLEASE tell me you were joking. If not,you need to go see a professional,because your head is a couple of quarts low.
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@Chosen Daughter
@Bigun
Well, we'll see who's the real sage on this forum, won't we? :pondering:
I make no claim to being a sage... Just observing that it is pretty easy to see which team the batter at the plate is playing for.
(In all seriousness, there are a LOT of deceptions taking place at this time. We aren't just wrestling with flesh and blood, you know.)
Oh I am quite aware. Probably more than you know.
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@the_doc
PLEASE tell me you were joking. If not,you need to go see a professional,because your head is a couple of quarts low.
Nope.
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@Chosen Daughter
@Bigun
@Quix
Trump is not that loyal to his former friends. Such loyalty would require more integrity than you think he has. (LOL)
Besides, Trump can't stand the Bushes. And he definitely loathes Obama. I believe he'll see to it that Obama gets hanged for treason. As I have said over and over, wait and see what our weird, shifty POTUS does. (I don't think we will have too much longer...but the Trump haters still have a lot of power to screw up his timetables.)
Anyway, that's exactly how I figger it.
Slightly sorry to disagree with my Dear Friends hereon ... however,
1. I believe Mark Taylor's prophecies re Trump are accurate and from The Lord.
2. I believe that even Kim Clement's prophecies about Trump are accurate and from The Lord.
3. I believe the handful of lesser known prophecies about Trump back over a decade or 3 are also accurate and from The Lord.
God has virtually always chosen rough diamonds to use in HIS ways and HIS time by HIS Spirit to reach HIS goals--more in spite of such chosen ones' natural stuff than because of it.
However, God clearly also birthed into Trump some raw material and conditioning along the way making him like well tempered hardest steel thoroughly dedicated to the Godly goals GOD HAS PLACED increasingly deeply rooted within Trump. God is clearly even increasingly birthing within Trump more and more humility.
Trump will not be any more perfect than any of us on this thread. However, he WILL BE USED OF GOD IN SHOCKING WAYS all 8 years of his reign. He will not be assassinated. He will not be removed.
Like it or not--as preposterous as it is to you, I'm convinced that Trump IS GOD'S ANOINTED in his GOD-GIVEN role for these END TIMES.
We will be afforded 8 or so (now 6) years in which to further the Gospel and prepare for the return to the rush toward Armageddon & hell after his term--however soon after remains to be seen.
God will be demonstrating several things:
1. HIS majesty and capacities to use whomever HE will however HE WILL to HIS purposes--regardless of everything else.
2. HIS miraculous supernatural power.
3. HIS capacity to even bring His Church into more cooperation and unity before a watching world (not sure when this will become more obvious).
4. HIS values for individuals and society and government in stark contrast to those of satan's crew in the Shrillery & Obummer crews an backers.
5. Giving the evil doers some vivid object lessons--hints--about what ultimately awaits them after their time on the stage is finally and totally over. They will have no excuse for believing that they can get away with their rebellions and treasons.
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I realize that I may be in a minority of those who post frequently on this thread. What else is new.
Some things I know in my spirit. Some things I know from discerning & sifting tons of evidences and countless nuances. Some things are just obvious to me that others seem blind to. Been that way most of my life.
Yes, I frequently err in this or that specific detail etc. I'm certainly still human. Sometimes a 190 IQ merely means I get myself in bigger messes than the average bloke.
Nevertheless, God has been faithful to refine (sometimes through incredible fiery furnaces) my hearing, knowing, perceptions, discernment etc.
I don't expect folks to agree with me. Religious opinions and perspectives are among the most resistant to change--particularly those energized by attachment disorder ego ridden dynamics.
Nevertheless, TIME WILL TELL.
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Slightly sorry to disagree with my Dear Friends hereon ... however,
1. I believe Mark Taylor's prophecies re Trump are accurate and from The Lord.
2. I believe that even Kim Clement's prophecies about Trump are accurate and from The Lord.
3. I believe the handful of lesser known prophecies about Trump back over a decade or 3 are also accurate and from The Lord.
There is NOTHING in the Bible to use as a basis for that.
The prophets judge the prophets... and there is not a single instance of Yahovah turning around an unrepentant people. Such a people run to their prophets with itching ears, while in every case I am aware of, the true prophet of Yah was teaching them to REPENT and was ignored... Sudden Destruction ensued.
In every case, it was a repentant people who were saved, or a people who had done their time, and the punishment was over, allowing them to return.
There is not a repentant people. Then why would Yah redeem? In fact, without repentance, the way forward is clear, like every other time a people was unrepentant.
God has virtually always chosen rough diamonds to use in HIS ways and HIS time by HIS Spirit to reach HIS goals--more in spite of such chosen ones' natural stuff than because of it.
The prophet or king is not the point - That is distraction. It is the condition of the people that matters. It is the people that need humility, not Tump. That is why all this Cyrus bullshit is assuredly false.
I don't expect folks to agree with me. Religious opinions and perspectives are among the most resistant to change--particularly those energized by attachment disorder ego ridden dynamics.
Uncalled for, and incorrect to boot.
Nevertheless, TIME WILL TELL.
Yes it will... And hopefully folks will learn to put their faith in Yah instead of in Man, and Teshuva- Repent, and return to Torah... Because nothing else will stop a dang thing.
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Slightly sorry to disagree with my Dear Friends hereon ... however,
1. I believe Mark Taylor's prophecies re Trump are accurate and from The Lord.
2. I believe that even Kim Clement's prophecies about Trump are accurate and from The Lord.
3. I believe the handful of lesser known prophecies about Trump back over a decade or 3 are also accurate and from The Lord.
God has virtually always chosen rough diamonds to use in HIS ways and HIS time by HIS Spirit to reach HIS goals--more in spite of such chosen ones' natural stuff than because of it.
However, God clearly also birthed into Trump some raw material and conditioning along the way making him like well tempered hardest steel thoroughly dedicated to the Godly goals GOD HAS PLACED increasingly deeply rooted within Trump. God is clearly even increasingly birthing within Trump more and more humility.
Trump will not be any more perfect than any of us on this thread. However, he WILL BE USED OF GOD IN SHOCKING WAYS all 8 years of his reign. He will not be assassinated. He will not be removed.
Like it or not--as preposterous as it is to you, I'm convinced that Trump IS GOD'S ANOINTED in his GOD-GIVEN role for these END TIMES.
We will be afforded 8 or so (now 6) years in which to further the Gospel and prepare for the return to the rush toward Armageddon & hell after his term--however soon after remains to be seen.
God will be demonstrating several things:
1. HIS majesty and capacities to use whomever HE will however HE WILL to HIS purposes--regardless of everything else.
2. HIS miraculous supernatural power.
3. HIS capacity to even bring His Church into more cooperation and unity before a watching world (not sure when this will become more obvious).
4. HIS values for individuals and society and government in stark contrast to those of satan's crew in the Shrillery & Obummer crews an backers.
5. Giving the evil doers some vivid object lessons--hints--about what ultimately awaits them after their time on the stage is finally and totally over. They will have no excuse for believing that they can get away with their rebellions and treasons.
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I realize that I may be in a minority of those who post frequently on this thread. What else is new.
Some things I know in my spirit. Some things I know from discerning & sifting tons of evidences and countless nuances. Some things are just obvious to me that others seem blind to. Been that way most of my life.
Yes, I frequently err in this or that specific detail etc. I'm certainly still human. Sometimes a 190 IQ merely means I get myself in bigger messes than the average bloke.
Nevertheless, God has been faithful to refine (sometimes through incredible fiery furnaces) my hearing, knowing, perceptions, discernment etc.
I don't expect folks to agree with me. Religious opinions and perspectives are among the most resistant to change--particularly those energized by attachment disorder ego ridden dynamics.
Nevertheless, TIME WILL TELL.
Beautiful Quix,,,well said. I said the same things about EGO'S.Some were really put off by that TRUTH! :whistle:
I don't expect folks to agree with me. Religious opinions and perspectives are among the most resistant to change--particularly those energized by attachment disorder ego ridden dynamics.= Quix quote
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Beautiful Quix,,,well said. I said the same things about EGO'S.Some were really put off by that TRUTH! :whistle:
I don't expect folks to agree with me. Religious opinions and perspectives are among the most resistant to change--particularly those energized by attachment disorder ego ridden dynamics.= Quix quote
THANKS TONS for your kind encouragement. Blessed be the Name of The Lord God Yehovah from Whom all good originates.
It's difficult to think of strident net pontificators who have NOT demonstrated serious attachment disorder driven pride/ego problems--including me.
Hopefully, I'm a lot better than I was 20+ years ago in such regards.
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@roamer_1,
I don't expect folks to agree with me. Religious opinions and perspectives are among the most resistant to change--particularly those energized by attachment disorder ego ridden dynamics.
Uncalled for, and incorrect to boot.
A quick reply, for now.
1. That comment was exceedingly called for--particularly generally speaking--but also in particular. God has been very clear with me about that issue and being a persistent, dogged "Watchman on the Wall" about it.
2. No. It was not wrong. I've resisted telling you kindly to seek The Lord about it but evidently it is time. I don't think you will see it until HE makes it abundantly clear. I hope you don't force Him to keep getting bigger sticks.
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@roamer_1,
Uncalled for, and incorrect to boot.
A quick reply, for now.
1. That comment was exceedingly called for--particularly generally speaking--but also in particular. God has been very clear with me about that issue and being a persistent, dogged "Watchman on the Wall" about it.
2. No. It was not wrong. I've resisted telling you kindly to seek The Lord about it but evidently it is time. I don't think you will see it until HE makes it abundantly clear. I hope you don't force Him to keep getting bigger sticks.
I think your prognosticator is busted d00d.
Prophets are not soothsayers. That is not what they are for. They stand in the breach. They speak truth and lead a wicked people back to Torah. There is not an instance of a prophet doing anything else. And that is not what is happening here.
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I think your prognosticator is busted d00d.
Prophets are not soothsayers. That is not what they are for. They stand in the breach. They speak truth and lead a wicked people back to Torah. There is not an instance of a prophet doing anything else. And that is not what is happening here.
According to you and your selective reading of Scripture. Your stance and perspective are noted. I even understand the line of reasoning such originates from. I simply disagree as I find the whole counsel of Scripture depicting something different than you describe--I could say--in addition to your perspective.
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According to you and your selective reading of Scripture. Your stance and perspective are noted. I even understand the line of reasoning such originates from. I simply disagree as I find the whole counsel of Scripture depicting something different than you describe--I could say--in addition to your perspective.
Then you will have to school me in it if you think you can. And welcome to it.
But you won't. Because you can't. It isn't there.
Call anytime.
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Then you will have to school me in it if you think you can. And welcome to it.
But you won't. Because you can't. It isn't there.
Call anytime.
Your because line is wrong.
Trying to take the Scripture about avoiding futile arguments more to heart and life.
NOT for lack of evidence for my perspective. It's just not worth the hassle or conflict aspects.
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Your because line is wrong.
Trying to take the Scripture about avoiding futile arguments more to heart and life.
NOT for lack of evidence for my perspective. It's just not worth the hassle or conflict aspects.
Right. Well, like I said, you are always welcome to prove yourself upon the Word.
ANYTIME. Till you can do so... Well, you know.
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Right. Well, like I said, you are always welcome to prove yourself upon the Word.
ANYTIME. Till you can do so... Well, you know.
Thanks. I think I know you well enough to have expected that. Will keep it in mind if I change my mind. LOL.