Virginia proposes bill that outlaws minors using guns to fend off home invadersFull story at Law Enforcement Today (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-proposes-bill-that-outlaws-minors-using-guns-to-fend-off-home-invaders/?fbclid=IwAR3jjhVgseae05MrcPIM5UduBj3erjZGaDwYeehfZMmbB7033dYRO8Q18nA)
Posted by Gregory Hoyt
Nov 27, 2019
... While legislators seek to enforce more tight and universal background checks and other gun control laws while within office, as usual, they have given attention to age restrictions on access to firearms.
One such bill is SB 18 Firearms; which includes language associated with criminal history record information checks, and most importantly age requirements with regard to handling firearms. ...
Under this bill, it will be a class 1 misdemeanor to allow a child to use firearms, unless “under parental supervision.â€
Essentially what this bill means is that in the event your child is in danger, regardless of their age and knowledge of handling firearms properly, any criminal who has the intent to do them harm can do so and they’ll be left helpless from a legal standpoint. ...
The State of Virginia, now entirely run by truly insane Democrats who support infanticide and child murder, is proposing a new 2020 law known as SB64 (see link here (https://legiscan.com/VA/text/SB64/id/2070814)) which will be taken up by the Democrat-run Senate beginning January 8, 2020.More (https://dcdirtylaundry.com/virginia-to-outlaw-krav-maga-brazilian-jiu-jitsu-kickboxing-tai-chi-firearms-instruction-and-self-defense-training-under-proposed-law-sb64/)
The law would instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons. This includes instructors who teach kickboxing, BJJ, Krav Maga, boxing and even Capoeira.
It would also criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes. ...
Virginia to OUTLAW Krav Maga, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, kickboxing, Tai Chi, firearms instruction and self-defense training under proposed law SB64
Mike Adams -
November 29, 2019 More (https://dcdirtylaundry.com/virginia-to-outlaw-krav-maga-brazilian-jiu-jitsu-kickboxing-tai-chi-firearms-instruction-and-self-defense-training-under-proposed-law-sb64/)
@mountaineer
Here is an excellent idea for a new bumper sticker for someone that wants to make a few bucks.
"Virginia,the East Coast California!"
Nope. Our local leftist lunatics haven't even gone this far yet.
A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand
Who would have ever thought that a key southern state would turn so corkscrew crazy ???Virginia hasn't been a 'southern State' in years. It has morphed into a suburb of D.C.
Virginia hasn't been a 'southern State' in years. It has morphed into a suburb of D.C.Northern Va has been a whole different place from the rest of the State for 40 years. Unfortunately, people from elsewhere dominate the politics there.
Solid propellants like black and smokeless powders are low-order explosives.Yeah, the government can define a gun stock as a machine gun, too.
Northern Va has been a whole different place from the rest of the State for 40 years. Unfortunately, people from elsewhere dominate the politics there.
Single base smokeless powder is primarily nitrocellulose, an explosive. Double-base gunpowder is 40 percent nitroglycerin and 60 percent nitrocellulose.C4 and black powder ARE explosives.
Say again how smokeless powder is Not an Explosive?
It would also criminalize all firearms training classes . . .
Black powder is a low explosive. It deflagrates. It does not detonate. I have only ever found one report of a test where they were successful, one time, of achieving a high order detonation of black powder. Smokeless powder deflagrates when used as a propellant, but it Can be caused to go high order and detonate.In the application in question, being used to propel a bullet out of a barrel, smokeless powders are a propellant.
This was just the first hit I came across doing a google search: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262559143_Detonation_velocities_of_single_and_double_base_propellants (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262559143_Detonation_velocities_of_single_and_double_base_propellants)
I discovered double base powders were easily detonatable some 40 yrs ago.
Well, that's a state I won't live in again, unless this crap is repealed.
Fore grip,anyone? You're supposed to shoot the rifle one-handed?
(Never mind the technicality that smokeless powders are propellants, not explosives).
So do you now agree that smokeless powders are explosives? If they can detonate they fit the definition of an explosive, right?Whoa, there.
C4 is an explosive that can be lit and used to cook your dinner with and not explode. But it still is an explosive.
You admitted that black powder is an explosive, but it does not detonate. It only deflagrates(burns very fast), very similar to smokeless powder when used as a propellant and not as a high order explosive.
In fact there are several counties in western VA, that have already declared themselves 2A sanctuaries.
@Axeslinger
(http://gunrightswatch.com/clientuploads/news/VA/virginia-county-map.png)
@Hoodat
Yes,but can they get away with that according to Va law?
That will depend on the Virginia Supreme Court. In Nunn v. Georgia, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that a state ban on firearms was a violation of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. The Virginia Supreme Court could do the same.
@Hoodat
Are you aware of any indications on how they would vote?
Yes, the propellant in a firearm deflagrates and does not detonate. Just remember that the ignition of the gunpowder is by the explosion of the high explosive material in the primer.You can say the same about almost anything that burns. Gasoline, wood smoke ("backdraft", to firemen), even well dispersed flour in the air. All have eliminated buildings.
The primer ignites the powder, as a result of contact and compression between the primer cup and anvil.
How uniformly that ignition occurs determines whether the powder burns evenly or there is a spike in pressure above what would normally b obtained, which is why not having too little powder in a large case is important. Colliding flame fronts lead to pressure spikes, at least according to some sources, and that damages firearms.
Smokeless powder does not require any confinement to detonate. It only requires a sufficient primary impulse.
Roanoke County is on board. That is huge. Madison County has been joined by neighbors Page, Rappahannock, Orange, and Culpepper. Augusta County has a hearing tonight. Rockingham County next Wednesday. City of Norton seems to be the first city to adopt. Cities of Bristol, Martinsville, Covington, Colonial Heights, Waynesboro, and Winchester are moving forward.
The confiscation law will most likely pass because the Democrats hold a majority in both houses, and Democrats do whatever their leadership tells them to do. It won't be the first time that Democrats passed an unconstitutional law in the Commonwealth of Virginia. (See: Jim Crow)
Board declares Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary
Chelsea Church | Posted: Wed 5:47 PM, Dec 04, 2019 | Updated: Wed 9:03 PM, Dec 04, 2019
AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) — A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest Second Amendment sanctuary in Virginia, Augusta County voted on Wednesday night to do the same.
In front of a large crowd, the supervisors voted to declare Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary.
https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html (https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html)
Overflow Crowd Turns Out in Blue County to Support Second Amendment
Stephen Gutowski
December 5, 2019 5:00 AM
An overflow crowd of gun-rights supporters turned out on Tuesday evening to the Democratic-controlled Fairfax County Board of Supervisors meeting to push the locality to declare it would not help enforce unconstitutional gun laws.
@mountaineerTar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.
It doesn't matter if there were a million of them. From what I have heard of Fairfax County it might as well be NYC,and the board is not obligated by law to follow the wishes of the voters.
Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.@Smokin Joe
@Smokin JoeIt's a pretty sad day when we can't speak our minds without disclaimers.
As I’ve said here before:
Eventually, the sleeping giant is going to awaken and once that happens, folks are not gonna want to be standing down range.
I’ve also thought for a long time that a little tarring feathering would go a long ways towards recalibrating these pukes who think they are our betters.
(And no, Mr. Govt Troll reading this comment..that was not a threat...just an observation.)
Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.
Michael Bloomberg’s bought-and-paid-for new Virginia majorities have wasted no time introducing an extremist bill that would make the Commonwealth one of the most hostile states for law-abiding gun owners.
House Bill 2, introduced by Delegate Kenneth R. Plum (D-36), would criminalize almost all private transfers of firearms. Not merely restricted to doing so for sales, Virginians would be required to seek government permission to gift, trade, and even temporarily lend firearms to close friends and extended family. The legislation states that:
“[n]o person shall sell, rent, trade, or transfer a firearm†without first subjecting the transferee to a state police background check to be conducted at a licensed firearms dealer.
Under this extreme legislation, even lending a brother your rifle for a deer hunt or letting your daughter borrow a handgun for self-defense could land otherwise law-abiding Virginians with a felony conviction and up to 5 years in jail. Additionally, the recipient could face up to a full year of incarceration.
If the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia can be construed so narrowly as to diminish that fundamental, enumerated Civil Right to the degree that it can only be so narrowly practiced that for all practical purposes it would not exist, then the Right to free speech could be confined to the use of contractions and gerunds, with nouns and verbs forbidden.
@ Smokin JoeNot so long as their assault words aren't banned.
Yeah,how bout that? Think many people will realize that and wake up in time to vote the Fascist bastards out before they seize total control?
[Rockingham County] Supervisors To Support Second Amendment, Not Sanctuary
By JESSICA WETZLER | Dec 10, 2019 Updated 5 min ago
Rockingham County will not join other Virginia cities and counties in becoming a Second Amendment sanctuary under a proposed resolution released Tuesday.
The county released a draft document stating the board would declare its intent to oppose unconstitutional restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms through any and all legal means, but the word “sanctuary†was left out.
The board will hold a public hearing on the resolution Wednesday. Supervisors scheduled the hearing after being asked by the Rockingham County Republican Party to declare Rockingham a Second Amendment sanctuary.
County Attorney Thomas Miller said Tuesday that while the resolution shares some of the same elements as those approved by other counties that have become Second Amendment sanctuaries, Rockingham will not become a sanctuary if the resolution is approved.
https://www.dnronline.com/news/rockingham_county/supervisors-to-support-second-amendment-not-sanctuary/article_1590d310-2a82-548f-9994-9b348d53176e.html (https://www.dnronline.com/news/rockingham_county/supervisors-to-support-second-amendment-not-sanctuary/article_1590d310-2a82-548f-9994-9b348d53176e.html)
This is disappointing. Rockingham County supports the Second Amendment (unless the state government decides to confiscate everyone's guns). Just another reason to hate Harrisonburg.
Amid push for gun ‘sanctuaries,’ Hanover and Henrico adopt resolutions but Chesterfield declines
By C. SUAREZ ROJAS AND SEAN GORMAN Richmond Times-Dispatch 3 hrs ago
Leaders in two Richmond suburbs have voted this week on resolutions in response to a growing demand across Virginia for local governments to declare they are “sanctuaries†that will not infringe on residents’ gun rights under the Second Amendment.
The Hanover County Board of Supervisors’ adoption Wednesday of a modified “sanctuary†resolution was loudly cheered by many of the several hundred people in attendance, but a resolution passed a day earlier by Henrico County’s supervisors made no mention of gun rights, disappointing dozens of people who had sought a stronger stance in the face of possible legislation in the upcoming Virginia General Assembly.
In Chesterfield County, hundreds of people attended the county’s Board of Supervisors meeting Wednesday to advocate for the adoption of a sanctuary resolution. The board declined to do so.
In all three localities, fire marshals had to cut off access to the boardrooms because there were too many people and the rooms were at capacity.
https://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/amid-push-for-gun-sanctuaries-hanover-and-henrico-adopt-resolutions/article_be0818d1-e4b4-5fa9-aaf3-62b7ca0c886f.html (https://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/amid-push-for-gun-sanctuaries-hanover-and-henrico-adopt-resolutions/article_be0818d1-e4b4-5fa9-aaf3-62b7ca0c886f.html)
'The law is the law': Virginia Democrats float prosecution, National Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control
by Kerry Picket
| December 11, 2019 10:01 PM
Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill say local police who do not enforce gun control measures likely to pass in Virginia should face prosecution and even threats of the National Guard.
After November's Virginia Legislature elections that led to Democrats taking control of both chambers, the gun control legislation proposed by some Democrats moved forward, including universal background checks, an “assault weapons†ban, and a red flag law. ...
McEachin also noted that Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could call the National Guard, if necessary.
“And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law,†he said. “That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has.†... More at Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control)
Dana Loesch @DLoesch
I challenge Democrats to follow through with this and drag innocent, law-abiding people off into the night for not willingly forfeiting their Second Amendment rights. Let’s put it on televisions across the country.
9:30 AM · Dec 12, 2019
'The law is the law': Virginia Democrats float prosecution, National Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control
The bottom line is that while these might be great for protest or statements of intent, the resolutions are not legally binding, nor do they exempt these jurisdictions from State Law, as the AG smugly pointed out.
Also voting Monday night to become a Second Amendment Sanctuary were the city of Galax, the town of Grottoes, the town of Rocky Mount, Rockbridge County, and Bedford County.
@HoodatThose hired guns would be directly interfering with and arresting the very people elected to enforce the law in those counties.
I understand that the yankee weasel elected as Governor by the yankee weasel carpet-baggers that moved to Virginia went on tv to say or imply that he would have any sheriffs and deputies that refused to follow the law arrested and/or removed from office. Laugh if you want,but that is a serious threat to people who dreamed about wearing a badge their whole lives because they know it would end their LEO careers permanently.
Those hired guns would be directly interfering with and arresting the very people elected to enforce the law in those counties.
Think about that for a second.
Let the ramifications of allowing appointed hirelings to overturn the will of the People, even to the degree they'd remove those elected people from their offices against the will of the electorate.
@Smokin JoeThe potential for this powder keg to become more is evident to me as well. As I said, the pols are tone deaf to the desires (and, actually, the Rights) of the rural population, and with typical urban leftist liberal smugness have no problem imposing on those they view as less than themselves what they consider "good" for the masses.
We are not going to have to imagine it for long because it is going to be a reality within a year in Virginia. The leftist weasel the yankee immigrants elected is as serious about this stuff as a heart-attack. Unlike a lot of pols who claim to be something for personal gain,this asshat is a True Believer,and between him and Terrible Terry McAulliffe,the guy he replaced,they have appointed enough lapdog yankee weasels in positions of authority with the Va police and courts that he considers it to be a done deal he is going to get away with.
And he might. This thing could easily go to total gun confiscation,or total anarchy and revolution. Too early to tell at this time which way it will go,but the one thing that is certain is the situation that exists now can't continue to exist. It IS going to go one way or the other. Governor Ralph Northam (just remembered his name) has gone too far now to back off,and thinks he now has total control over Virginia and has no intention of backing off.
This could get ugly quickly if the gun confiscation begins and shooting starts,which then causes gun owners from surrounding states to pick up their guns to go help the Virginia Militia.
Northham would have no option but activate the NG,but who knows which side they would show up to support? When that fails,his only option is to request federal troops,which would mean the 82nd Abn Division IF President Trump would give them to him,which would be a big surprise to me. Then the next question would be "How many of the enlisted swine in the 82nd Abn Division would shoot other Americans to help gun confiscation? Would they just refuse their orders and sit in protest,or would they join the rebels,bringing their equipment with them?
Don't say this CAN'T happen,either. I agree that it is unlikely,but don't forget,the British didn't think Americans would rise up to fight the Crown,either.
ALL it could take to light off that powder keg is ONE tv broadcast of Police,NG,and/or Federal troops dragging the dead bodies of a local family out of their house because they refused to turn their guns over,and it would be Game ON!
Unintended Consequences is more than the name of a movie.
If they (The Democommies in the Legislature) don't back down, this might not end well.
(https://amedia.concealedcarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/16074237/Virginia-2nd-Amendment-Sanctuary-Statue-1024x545.jpg)I'd say that is a pretty clear message to the legislature, and the Governor--If they aren't completely tone deaf.
Source: Second Amendment Sanctuaries: Flames of Freedom, at ConcealedCarry.com (https://www.concealedcarry.com/news/second-amendment-sanctuaries-flames-of-freedom/?fbclid=IwAR3tX2wDbx5KcbwpXnvOrBPcCGhtiQsn7ZBzWQr-r4Qy3mA4DhmP-GAFd0w)
I'd say that is a pretty clear message to the legislature, and the Governor--If they aren't completely tone deaf.
@Smokin JoeI think some politicians should do up their resumes and get ready for a job change. Even NoVA and the maritimes will see the stupidity in criminalizing gun ownership, registration, and the inevitable conflict with heretofore law-abiding folks who have drawn the line on compliance with totalitarianism.
You don't seriously think they give a rabid rats ass about what the "little people" think,do you? If they manage to win power back again,the "little people" will think what they are TOLD to think,if they know what is good for them.
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it should be clear to the Legislature and the Governor that the people do not desire and are not willing to comply with any new restrictions on their RKBA.
@Smokin JoeWhen the Founders wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence, do you think they thought that King George would have an epiphany and change his ways? I doubt it. The explanation was pro forma, to ensure that every means short of revolution had been utilized.
It seems to be clear to ME that they know this and don't give a damn. Since when has any dictator or would-be dictator gave a damn about what the people think?
When the Founders wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence, do you think they thought that King George would have an epiphany and change his ways? I doubt it. The explanation was pro forma, to ensure that every means short of revolution had been utilized.
Take from these would be dictators the ability to claim that they did not hear the voice of the people because nothing was said, send them mountains of correspondence, gigs of e-mails, make that voice heard everywhere so that only the claim of being blind, mute and deaf would give them an excuse to have not heard the people saying "NO".
Then let the world see their perfidy for what it is.