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Title: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislature
Post by: Elderberry on November 26, 2019, 11:55:11 pm
American Military News by Ryan Morgan  November 26, 2019

Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislature

Virginia lawmakers are now considering a state law banning the ownership of certain semi-automatic guns deemed “assault firearms” and limiting the magazine capacity of other firearms in the state — and there are no clauses that would allow existing owners to continue possessing them.

Virginia state Sen. Richard Saslaw introduced SB16, which would expand the definition of an “assault firearm” to cover many different semi-automatic rifles and pistols. The bill would call for the ban of such firearms, barring people from purchasing, possessing, selling or transferring those weapons.

Among the changes in firearm definitions, the bill would expand the term “assault firearm” to include semi-automatic centerfire rifles and pistols with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds. The bill would also ban semi-automatic rifles and pistols with detachable magazines that also have folding and telescoping stocks, barrel shrouds, and thumbhole grips and second hand grips.

Rifles, under the new bill, would not be allowed pistol grips, bayonet mounts, grenade or flare launchers, silencers, muzzle breaks and flash suppressors.

More: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/11/sweeping-va-gun-ban-likely-confiscation-without-grandfather-clause-proposed-by-state-legislature/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/11/sweeping-va-gun-ban-likely-confiscation-without-grandfather-clause-proposed-by-state-legislature/)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: mountaineer on November 27, 2019, 05:07:11 pm
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Virginia proposes bill that outlaws minors using guns to fend off home invaders
Posted by Gregory Hoyt
 Nov 27, 2019

...   While legislators seek to enforce more tight and universal background checks and other gun control laws while within office, as usual, they have given attention to age restrictions on access to firearms.

One such bill is SB 18 Firearms; which includes language associated with criminal history record information checks, and most importantly age requirements with regard to handling firearms.   ...

Under this bill, it will be a class 1 misdemeanor to allow a child to use firearms, unless “under parental supervision.”

Essentially what this bill means is that in the event your child is in danger, regardless of their age and knowledge of handling firearms properly, any criminal who has the intent to do them harm can do so and they’ll be left helpless from a legal standpoint. ...
Full story at Law Enforcement Today (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-proposes-bill-that-outlaws-minors-using-guns-to-fend-off-home-invaders/?fbclid=IwAR3jjhVgseae05MrcPIM5UduBj3erjZGaDwYeehfZMmbB7033dYRO8Q18nA)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 28, 2019, 07:09:34 pm
Eff the State, and protect your kids! If that means leaving a responsible and trained child access to a self defense firearm, so be it.

Our long guns were never locked up when we were kids. We knew that if we wanted to go shooting, we were to ask my father.
We didn't tough them otherwise, as we had no self-defense situations arise.
Had we done so, we knew that the penalty would have been stiff, that we would be denied shooting privileges or even hunting.

We also, as we grew older, knew where the pistols were kept, but likewise, didn't mess with them.

I often think gun control laws are a result of projection by whiny liberals who don't trust themselves or their get with a deadly weapon, while the remainder are a misguided attempt to keep criminals from harming them (so they won't need a weapon to defend themselves), which are rife with unintended consequences.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: mountaineer on November 30, 2019, 10:33:10 pm
Virginia to OUTLAW Krav Maga, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, kickboxing, Tai Chi, firearms instruction and self-defense training under proposed law SB64
Mike Adams -
November 29, 2019
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The State of Virginia, now entirely run by truly insane Democrats who support infanticide and child murder, is proposing a new 2020 law known as SB64 (see link here (https://legiscan.com/VA/text/SB64/id/2070814)) which will be taken up by the Democrat-run Senate beginning January 8, 2020.

The law would instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons. This includes instructors who teach kickboxing, BJJ, Krav Maga, boxing and even Capoeira.

It would also criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes. ...
More (https://dcdirtylaundry.com/virginia-to-outlaw-krav-maga-brazilian-jiu-jitsu-kickboxing-tai-chi-firearms-instruction-and-self-defense-training-under-proposed-law-sb64/)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on November 30, 2019, 11:20:05 pm
Virginia to OUTLAW Krav Maga, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, kickboxing, Tai Chi, firearms instruction and self-defense training under proposed law SB64
Mike Adams -
November 29, 2019 More (https://dcdirtylaundry.com/virginia-to-outlaw-krav-maga-brazilian-jiu-jitsu-kickboxing-tai-chi-firearms-instruction-and-self-defense-training-under-proposed-law-sb64/)

@mountaineer

Here is an excellent idea for a new bumper sticker for someone that wants to make a few bucks.

"Virginia,the East Coast California!"
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: skeeter on November 30, 2019, 11:25:01 pm
@mountaineer

Here is an excellent idea for a new bumper sticker for someone that wants to make a few bucks.

"Virginia,the East Coast California!"

Nope. Our local leftist lunatics haven't even gone this far yet.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 01, 2019, 12:18:08 am
Nope. Our local leftist lunatics haven't even gone this far yet.

@skeeter

The key word is "yet". Northern Virginia now dominates the state,and they are only going to go further left with every day that passes.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 01, 2019, 06:01:04 am
So, are they going to close the Farm? Quantico?

The law doesn't state which side of the civil disorder the skills would be used on. just that they would be used in civil disorder.
Title: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: mystery-ak on December 02, 2019, 02:20:55 pm
 Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
See what happens when a formerly great red state turns very blue?
by Jed Babbin
December 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

Next year, Democrats will control both houses of Virginia’s state Legislature as well as its governorship. On November 18, State Sen. Dick Saslaw introduced a bill that he will sponsor in the 2020 legislative session. That bill will outlaw not only the sale or transfer but also the possession of certain firearms.

Saslaw’s bill — SB 16 — provides that “It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, purchase, possess or transport an assault firearm” and makes such actions a Class 6 felony. (In Virginia, Class 6 felonies are punishable by imprisonment for between one and five years.)

SB 16 provides that a wide range of center-fire rifles, pistols, and shotguns are included in the definition of to-be illegal firearms:

    1. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;

    2. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a grenade launcher; (vii) a flare launcher; (viii) a silencer; (ix) a flash suppressor; (x) a muzzle brake; (xi) a muzzle compensator; (xii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a muzzle brake, or (d) a muzzle compensator; or (xiii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (xii);

    3. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;

    4. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vi) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a barrel extender, or (d) a forward handgrip; or (viii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vii);

    5. A shotgun with a revolving cylinder that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material; or

    6. A semi-automatic shotgun that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a thumbhole stock, (iii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iv) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (v) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds, or (vi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (v).

more
https://spectator.org/gun-confiscation-comes-to-virginia/
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 02, 2019, 07:49:31 pm
Well, that's a state I won't live in again, unless this crap is repealed.
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A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand

Fore grip,anyone? You're supposed to shoot the rifle one-handed?

(Never mind the technicality that smokeless powders are propellants, not explosives).
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Fishrrman on December 03, 2019, 02:03:26 am
Who would have ever thought that a key southern state would turn so corkscrew crazy ???
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: 240B on December 03, 2019, 03:16:16 am
Who would have ever thought that a key southern state would turn so corkscrew crazy ???
Virginia hasn't been a 'southern State' in years. It has morphed into a suburb of D.C.
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 03, 2019, 07:40:07 am
Virginia hasn't been a 'southern State' in years. It has morphed into a suburb of D.C.
Northern Va has been a whole different place from the rest of the State for 40 years. Unfortunately, people from elsewhere dominate the politics there.
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 03, 2019, 02:41:57 pm
Solid propellants like black and smokeless powders are low-order explosives.
Yeah, the government can define a gun stock as a machine gun, too.
Doesn't make it so.
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: skeeter on December 03, 2019, 02:45:49 pm
Northern Va has been a whole different place from the rest of the State for 40 years. Unfortunately, people from elsewhere dominate the politics there.

It's just a smaller version of California now.
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 04, 2019, 12:04:12 am
Single base smokeless powder is primarily nitrocellulose, an explosive. Double-base gunpowder is 40 percent nitroglycerin and 60 percent nitrocellulose.

Say again how smokeless powder is Not an Explosive?
C4 and black powder ARE explosives.

What's the source? What smokeless powders were used? Etc. I have a snippet out of context and that doesn't mean anything to me.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 12:38:21 am
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It would also criminalize all firearms training classes .  .  .

As a kid growing up in Virginia, I learned firearm safety from an NRA Hunter Safety Course taught during Kiwanis Summer Camp.
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 04, 2019, 12:46:11 am
Black powder is a low explosive. It deflagrates. It does not detonate. I have only ever found one report of a test where they were successful, one time,  of achieving a high order detonation of black powder.  Smokeless powder deflagrates when used as a propellant, but it Can be caused to go high order and detonate.

This was just the first hit I came across doing a google search: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262559143_Detonation_velocities_of_single_and_double_base_propellants (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262559143_Detonation_velocities_of_single_and_double_base_propellants)

I discovered double base powders were easily detonatable some 40 yrs ago.
In the application in question, being used to propel a bullet out of a barrel, smokeless powders are a propellant.
If they detonate, that's a problem. That was and remains my point.
I vaguely recall some issues with undercapacity reloads which experienced detonation, years ago.
But for the application in question, the point is, that smokeless powders deflagrate, they don't detonate.
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Axeslinger on December 04, 2019, 01:09:12 am
Well, that's a state I won't live in again, unless this crap is repealed.
Fore grip,anyone? You're supposed to shoot the rifle one-handed?

(Never mind the technicality that smokeless powders are propellants, not explosives).

Like many states, Virginia as a state is corrupted by the urban areas.   NorthernVirginia, Richmond and the large black population in the Norfolk area are the problem.   The western 2/3s of the state are solid conservative.  In fact there are several counties in western VA, that have already declared themselves 2A sanctuaries.   

Here is a link to one county sheriff’s  Facebook page and his letter to the county:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2725943877492508&id=151261931627395&_ft_=mf_story_key.2725943877492508%3Atop_level_post_id.2725943877492508%3Atl_objid.2725943877492508%3Acontent_owner_id_new.151261931627395%3Athrowback_story_fbid.2725943877492508%3Apage_id.151261931627395%3Aphoto_id.2725942330825996%3Astory_location.4%3Astory_attachment_style.photo%3Apage_insights.%7B%22151261931627395%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22actor_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22dm%22%3A%7B%22isShare%22%3A0%2C%22originalPostOwnerID%22%3A0%7D%2C%22psn%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22post_context%22%3A%7B%22object_fbtype%22%3A266%2C%22publish_time%22%3A1574694889%2C%22story_name%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22story_fbid%22%3A%5B2725943877492508%5D%7D%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22sl%22%3A4%2C%22targets%22%3A%5B%7B%22actor_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22page_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22post_id%22%3A2725943877492508%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22share_id%22%3A0%7D%5D%7D%7D&__tn__=%2As%2As-R (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2725943877492508&id=151261931627395&_ft_=mf_story_key.2725943877492508%3Atop_level_post_id.2725943877492508%3Atl_objid.2725943877492508%3Acontent_owner_id_new.151261931627395%3Athrowback_story_fbid.2725943877492508%3Apage_id.151261931627395%3Aphoto_id.2725942330825996%3Astory_location.4%3Astory_attachment_style.photo%3Apage_insights.%7B%22151261931627395%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22actor_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22dm%22%3A%7B%22isShare%22%3A0%2C%22originalPostOwnerID%22%3A0%7D%2C%22psn%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22post_context%22%3A%7B%22object_fbtype%22%3A266%2C%22publish_time%22%3A1574694889%2C%22story_name%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22story_fbid%22%3A%5B2725943877492508%5D%7D%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22sl%22%3A4%2C%22targets%22%3A%5B%7B%22actor_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22page_id%22%3A151261931627395%2C%22post_id%22%3A2725943877492508%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22share_id%22%3A0%7D%5D%7D%7D&__tn__=%2As%2As-R)

It passed unanimously.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 04, 2019, 01:29:00 am
So do you now agree that smokeless powders are explosives? If they can detonate they fit the definition of an explosive, right?

C4 is an explosive that can be lit and used to cook your dinner with and not explode. But it still is an explosive.

You admitted that black powder is an explosive, but it does not detonate. It only deflagrates(burns very fast), very similar to smokeless powder when used as a propellant and not as a high order explosive.
Whoa, there.

You're changing horses here. Black Powder is a low order explosive. That isn't saying it can't be used as a propellant, because it has been. It becomes a question of application.
Can smokeless powders be used to cause an explosion? Yes. A bit of plumbing material, and the pressures will build to the point you get catastrophic failure of the containment vessel. A lot depends on the flame front geometry and pressure spikes, which is why low powder charges in large cartridge cases are believed to have been a problem.
But by the same token, a hot water heater with a faulty shutoff and plugged relief valve can take a house apart, too.

In firearms, the application is that of propellant. An explosion is not a desired effect.
Sure, you can warm your Ham and MFers over a bit of C-4, too, but the desired effect, what it was made to do is something other than stove fuel.

But like I said, if the legislature writes that cattle shall henceforth be "ducks", then for lawyers, it's ducks they are.
This would be far from the first time that technical definitions were steamrolled by legislative BS.



Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 01:53:14 am
In fact there are several counties in western VA, that have already declared themselves 2A sanctuaries.

@Axeslinger

(http://gunrightswatch.com/clientuploads/news/VA/virginia-county-map.png)
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: sneakypete on December 04, 2019, 01:57:39 am
@Axeslinger

(http://gunrightswatch.com/clientuploads/news/VA/virginia-county-map.png)

@Hoodat

Yes,but can they get away with that according to Va law?
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 02:04:08 am
@Hoodat

Yes,but can they get away with that according to Va law?

That will depend on the Virginia Supreme Court.  In Nunn v. Georgia, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that a state ban on firearms was a violation of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.  The Virginia Supreme Court could do the same.
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: sneakypete on December 04, 2019, 02:08:50 am
That will depend on the Virginia Supreme Court.  In Nunn v. Georgia, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that a state ban on firearms was a violation of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.  The Virginia Supreme Court could do the same.

@Hoodat

Are you aware of any indications on how they would vote?
Title: Re: Gun Confiscation Comes to Virginia
Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 02:37:30 am
@Hoodat

Are you aware of any indications on how they would vote?

The court is pretty evenly split:

Chaffin - the sister of a GOP legislator

Mims - Former GOP Attorney General

McCullough - Served under GOP AGs Mims and Cuccinelli

Kelsey - Appointed as appellate judge by Democrat Mark Warner

Powell - Appointed as appellate judge by Democrat Tim Kaine

Goodwyn - Vacancy appointment to Supreme Court by Democrat Tim Kaine

Lemons - Appointed Circuit Court judge by Republican George Allen.  Recommended for US 4th District court position by Senators Webb-D and Warner-R.

Supreme court justices are appointed by the Legislature and serve 12-year terms.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 04, 2019, 02:55:31 am
Yes, the propellant in a firearm deflagrates and does not detonate. Just remember that the ignition of the gunpowder is by the explosion of the high explosive material in the primer.
The primer ignites the powder, as a result of contact and compression between the primer cup and anvil.
How uniformly that ignition occurs determines whether the powder burns evenly or there is a spike in pressure above what would normally b obtained, which is why not having too little powder in a large case is important. Colliding flame fronts lead to pressure spikes, at least according to some sources, and that damages firearms.
Smokeless powder does not require any confinement to detonate. It only requires a sufficient primary impulse.
You can say the same about almost anything that burns. Gasoline, wood smoke ("backdraft", to firemen), even well dispersed flour in the air. All have eliminated buildings.

Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Axeslinger on December 04, 2019, 02:58:02 am
Well you two have successfully managed to derail this thread again
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 03:08:22 am
Contestant:  I'll take "Things Hitler did after he became Chancellor" for $200, Alex.

Alex Trebek:  Virginia enacted legislation to do this after Democrats took control.

Contestant:  What is ban guns.

Alex Trebek:  Correct.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 03:41:13 am
What to expect at tomorrow's Augusta County Second Amendment sanctuary meeting

Claire Mitzel, Staunton News Leader  03 Dec 2019

STUARTS DRAFT —  Hundreds are expected to pack the Stuarts Draft High School auditorium Wednesday evening for a special Board of Supervisors meeting to discuss a potential Second Amendment sanctuary county resolution.

Ahead of the meeting, The News Leader has compiled information about what to expect. We will also be live tweeting and updating a story throughout the evening.
When and where is the meeting?

The Board of Supervisors' special meeting will be held at 6 p.m. Wednesday at the Stuarts Draft High School auditorium. Doors open at 5:30 p.m.

Can I speak?

Anyone wishing to speak can sign up ahead of time using an online form. Speakers can also sign up at the meeting before it starts. People unable to attend but who wish to share comments with the board can submit them using the same form above.

Speakers are limited to three minutes, according to a county news release. The county also encourages people to be concise.

Can I bring a gun inside?

Augusta County Public Schools Deputy Superintendent Doug Shifflett directed a reporter to the School Board Policy Manual regarding weapons in schools, which references the Code of Virginia.

"Carrying, bringing, using or possessing any firearm, dangerous device or weapon in any school building, on school grounds, in any school vehicle or at any school sponsored activity is prohibited," the policy states. "This prohibition applies to private vehicles parked on school property with or without permission."   .   .   .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-to-expect-at-tomorrows-augusta-county-second-amendment-sanctuary-meeting/ar-BBXItw8 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-to-expect-at-tomorrows-augusta-county-second-amendment-sanctuary-meeting/ar-BBXItw8)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: mountaineer on December 04, 2019, 07:12:30 pm
'We Need To Send a Message': Virginia Sheriffs Sound Off As Counties Become Second Amendment Sanctuaries
Julio Rosas
Posted: Dec 04, 2019 1:25 PM

As Democratic Virginia state legislators are considering a host of new gun control bills as they will have majorities in the statehouse, some sheriffs are voicing their support for the counties that are declaring themselves as Second Amendment sanctuaries.

"I am in favor of the Second Amendment Sanctuary. I believe we need to send a message to Richmond that our citizens will take a stance. My deputies and I take an oath to uphold the Constitution and that’s what we will do," Rappahannock County Sheriff Connie Compton told Townhall.

It should come as no surprise that the more rural counties and cities in the commonwealth are having an easier time passing Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions. Having law enforcement backing to those resolutions is critical for them to any kind of effect.

Over 30 counties have declared themselves as Second Amendment sanctuaries so far, with many others planing on holding meetings to discuss such resolutions. ...  More at Townhall (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/12/04/we-need-to-send-a-message-virginia-sheriffs-sound-off-as-counties-become-second-a-n2557472)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 07:30:59 pm
Roanoke County is on board.  That is huge.  Madison County has been joined by neighbors Page, Rappahannock, Orange, and Culpepper.  Augusta County has a hearing tonight.  Rockingham County next Wednesday.  City of Norton seems to be the first city to adopt.  Cities of Bristol, Martinsville, Covington, Colonial Heights, Waynesboro, and Winchester are moving forward.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 04, 2019, 07:39:01 pm
Roanoke County is on board.  That is huge.  Madison County has been joined by neighbors Page, Rappahannock, Orange, and Culpepper.  Augusta County has a hearing tonight.  Rockingham County next Wednesday.  City of Norton seems to be the first city to adopt.  Cities of Bristol, Martinsville, Covington, Colonial Heights, Waynesboro, and Winchester are moving forward.

@Hoodat

Not all of us knows Virginia politics. Does that mean the confiscation law will pass?
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 04, 2019, 07:46:08 pm
The confiscation law will most likely pass because the Democrats hold a majority in both houses, and Democrats do whatever their leadership tells them to do.  It won't be the first time that Democrats passed an unconstitutional law in the Commonwealth of Virginia.  (See:  Jim Crow)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 04, 2019, 07:48:51 pm
The confiscation law will most likely pass because the Democrats hold a majority in both houses, and Democrats do whatever their leadership tells them to do.  It won't be the first time that Democrats passed an unconstitutional law in the Commonwealth of Virginia.  (See:  Jim Crow)

@Hoodat

Thanks.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 05, 2019, 01:28:41 am
Hearing set to begin as Augusta County considers becoming a '2nd Amendment sanctuary'

WHSV     |     Chelsea Church     |     Dec 04, 2019


AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) — A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest 'Second Amendment sanctuary' in Virginia, Augusta County is holding a hearing on a proposal to do the same.

The meeting began at 6 p.m. at Stuarts Draft High School to allow for what the county knew would be a packed crowd.

As of 5:50 p.m., a line of people was wrapped around the school building as people waited to get inside, with dozens scheduled to speak.

(https://media.graytvinc.com/images/690*408/augusta+county+second+amendment+hearing+sanctuary+meeting.JPG)

By 6:50 p.m., after a number of people had spoken, with boos from the crowd following the two people who spoke against the proposal, the Augusta County sheriff confirmed that at least 1,500 people showed up for the hearing.

Similar meetings of other Virginia county boards have broken attendance records, bringing hundreds of people out to their Board of Supervisors meetings.

Page County joined at least 40 other counties and cities across Virginia that have now adopted resolutions declaring themselves 'Second Amendment sanctuaries.'

The movement, which is a conservative spin on 'sanctuary cities,' which vowed not to work with ICE to deport undocumented immigrants, began shortly after the election earlier this month in which Democrats won full control of the General Assembly for the first time in decades.

Many people in areas that voted along conservative lines believe that their constitutional rights may be threatened under a Democratic-controlled legislature.  .  .  .

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html (https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html)



Area-wise, Augusta is the largest county in Virginia.  Except for Staunton, it is solid Conservative territory.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 05, 2019, 02:40:20 am
Board declares Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary

Chelsea Church     |     Posted: Wed 5:47 PM, Dec 04, 2019     |     Updated: Wed 9:03 PM, Dec 04, 2019


AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) — A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest Second Amendment sanctuary in Virginia, Augusta County voted on Wednesday night to do the same.

In front of a large crowd, the supervisors voted to declare Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary.

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html (https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 05, 2019, 04:01:35 am
Board declares Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary

Chelsea Church     |     Posted: Wed 5:47 PM, Dec 04, 2019     |     Updated: Wed 9:03 PM, Dec 04, 2019


AUGUSTA COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) — A day after the Page County Board of Supervisors cast a unanimous vote to become the latest Second Amendment sanctuary in Virginia, Augusta County voted on Wednesday night to do the same.

In front of a large crowd, the supervisors voted to declare Augusta County a Second Amendment sanctuary.

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html (https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Hearing-set-to-begin-as-Augusta-County-considers-becoming-a-2nd-Amendment-sanctuary-565802181.html)

@Hoodat

Good to hear! I hope they get away with it.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: mountaineer on December 05, 2019, 01:38:25 pm
Overflow Crowd Turns Out in Blue County to Support Second Amendment      
Stephen Gutowski
 December 5, 2019 5:00 AM

An overflow crowd of gun-rights supporters turned out on Tuesday evening to the Democratic-controlled Fairfax County Board of Supervisors meeting to push the locality to declare it would not help enforce unconstitutional gun laws.

The crowd exceeded the auditorium's 350-person seating capacity, and a few dozen people wearing "Guns Save Lives" stickers were left lining the walls. The vast majority came to support residents who requested that the northern Virginia county become a Second Amendment sanctuary, meaning it will refuse to enforce gun laws they consider unconstitutional. After sitting quietly through two hours of discussion about baseball-field lighting, the crowd erupted at the end of each pro-gun speech during the public-comment period.  ... More at Free Beacon (https://freebeacon.com/issues/overflow-crowd-turns-out-in-blue-county-to-support-second-amendment/)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 05, 2019, 04:19:20 pm
Overflow Crowd Turns Out in Blue County to Support Second Amendment      
Stephen Gutowski
 December 5, 2019 5:00 AM

  An overflow crowd of gun-rights supporters turned out on Tuesday evening to the Democratic-controlled Fairfax County Board of Supervisors meeting to push the locality to declare it would not help enforce unconstitutional gun laws.

@mountaineer

It doesn't matter if there were a million of them. From what I have heard of Fairfax County it might as well be NYC,and the board is not obligated by law to follow the wishes of the voters.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 05, 2019, 09:21:49 pm
@mountaineer

It doesn't matter if there were a million of them. From what I have heard of Fairfax County it might as well be NYC,and the board is not obligated by law to follow the wishes of the voters.
Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Axeslinger on December 05, 2019, 09:33:57 pm
Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.
@Smokin Joe
As I’ve said here before:

Eventually, the sleeping giant is going to awaken and once that happens, folks are not gonna want to be standing down range.

I’ve also thought for a long time that a little tarring feathering would go a long ways towards recalibrating  these pukes who think they are our betters.
(And no, Mr. Govt Troll reading this comment..that was not a threat...just an observation.)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 05, 2019, 09:55:08 pm
@Smokin Joe
As I’ve said here before:

Eventually, the sleeping giant is going to awaken and once that happens, folks are not gonna want to be standing down range.

I’ve also thought for a long time that a little tarring feathering would go a long ways towards recalibrating  these pukes who think they are our betters.
(And no, Mr. Govt Troll reading this comment..that was not a threat...just an observation.)
It's a pretty sad day when we can't speak our minds without disclaimers.
Not to go all Freudian, but why is it that the nastiest functionaries all seem to be those who had issues in their youth (and never shook that).
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 05, 2019, 10:11:32 pm
Since yesterday, Scott County, Augusta County, and Virginia Beach have been added.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 06, 2019, 12:04:35 am
Tar, feathers, fence rails....our ancestors would never have put up with this sh*t.

@Smokin Joe

True,but it ain't our ancestors that are living in,and controlling Virginia. It is Communist apparatchiks from NY,NJ,Mass,and Delaware.



Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 07, 2019, 03:05:57 am
Virginia city rejects 'Second Amendment Sanctuary' status

By - Associated Press - Wednesday, December 4, 2019


ROANOKE, Va. — Officials of a Virginia city have rebuffed pleas by gun advocates asking it to declare the city a so-called “Second Amendment Sanctuary.”

Roanoke Mayor Sherman Lea on Monday announced at a packed city council meeting that he sees no benefit in validating what the U.S. Constitution already guarantees. The declaration to a room mostly filled with people wearing stickers claiming “guns save lives” was met with shouted comments, most audible was “We will not comply.”

Gun advocates across Virginia have pushed localities to declare themselves gun rights sanctuaries after November’s elections put Democrats in control of the Statehouse, news outlets reported. More than two dozen counties have passed such resolutions, including Roanoke County.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/4/roanoke-virginia-rejects-second-amendment-sanctuar/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/4/roanoke-virginia-rejects-second-amendment-sanctuar/)



Roanoke Mayor Sherman Lea must feel secure in his re-election chances.  Can't wait to hear his response when the Commonwealth asks for his cooperation in confiscating firearms from his own city residents.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 07, 2019, 03:24:51 am
Rockbridge County council to vote on Dec 9.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Elderberry on December 07, 2019, 02:45:18 pm
Background Checks for Family Members?! Bloomberg-Bought Virginia Legislature Seeks to Ban Private Firearms Transfers

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20191206/background-checks-for-family-members-bloomberg-bought-virginia-legislature-seeks-to-ban-private-firearms-transfers (https://www.nraila.org/articles/20191206/background-checks-for-family-members-bloomberg-bought-virginia-legislature-seeks-to-ban-private-firearms-transfers)

Quote
Michael Bloomberg’s bought-and-paid-for new Virginia majorities have wasted no time introducing an extremist bill that would make the Commonwealth one of the most hostile states for law-abiding gun owners.

House Bill 2, introduced by Delegate Kenneth R. Plum (D-36), would criminalize almost all private transfers of firearms. Not merely restricted to doing so for sales, Virginians would be required to seek government permission to gift, trade, and even temporarily lend firearms to close friends and extended family. The legislation states that:

“[n]o person shall sell, rent, trade, or transfer a firearm” without first subjecting the transferee to a state police background check to be conducted at a licensed firearms dealer.

Under this extreme legislation, even lending a brother your rifle for a deer hunt or letting your daughter borrow a handgun for self-defense could land otherwise law-abiding Virginians with a felony conviction and up to 5 years in jail. Additionally, the recipient could face up to a full year of incarceration.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: mystery-ak on December 07, 2019, 02:48:46 pm
Dozens of Virginia counties declare themselves 'Second Amendment sanctuaries' after Democrats win state legislature

Dozens of counties in Virginia have declared themselves "Second Amendment sanctuaries” in recent weeks after Democrats won control of the state legislature last month.

CNN reports that Surrey and Craig counties were among the latest to pass resolutions this week in support of Second Amendment rights, joining more than 40 other counties across the state.

The resolutions are not legally binding, CNN noted, and instead serve as declarations of support for citizens to exercise their right to carry weapons.

more
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/473503-dozens-of-virginia-counties-declare-themselves-second-amendment
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 09, 2019, 12:04:42 pm
I understnd the need to declare a 'sanctuary' to defy law, BOT THE LAW OF THE LAND IS THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

If the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia can be construed so narrowly as to diminish that fundamental, enumerated Civil Right to the degree that it can only be so narrowly practiced that for all practical purposes it would not exist, then the Right to free speech could be confined to the use of contractions and gerunds, with nouns and verbs forbidden.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 09, 2019, 05:03:08 pm

If the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia can be construed so narrowly as to diminish that fundamental, enumerated Civil Right to the degree that it can only be so narrowly practiced that for all practical purposes it would not exist, then the Right to free speech could be confined to the use of contractions and gerunds, with nouns and verbs forbidden.

@ Smokin Joe


  Yeah,how bout that? Think many people will realize that and wake up in time to vote the Fascist bastards out before they seize total control?
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 10, 2019, 04:35:09 am
Shenandoah County board votes to become Second Amendment sanctuary

SHENANDOAH COUNTY, Va. (WHSV)
— After decisions by over 40 localities across Virginia, Shenandoah County became the latest to adopt a resolution to become a 'Second Amendment Sanctuary' on Dec. 9.

The Shenandoah County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously on the decision at a special meeting on Tuesday night.

Hundreds of concerned residents packed Central High School, urging the board to pass the resolution opposing future gun control laws that infringe on second amendment rights.

"The second amendment is not to be compromised," said one speaker. "It is a document that our fathers wrote and came together and set it in place for us to live by.

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Shenandoah-County-board-voting-on-2nd-Amendment-Sanctuary-resolution-565999651.html (https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Shenandoah-County-board-voting-on-2nd-Amendment-Sanctuary-resolution-565999651.html)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 10, 2019, 04:52:26 am
‘Militia’ Resolution provides extra protection for Tazewell County residents

Jade Burks     |     9 Dec 2019


~snip~

But a second resolution is providing the residents of Tazewell County with more protection.

"Tazewell County also passed a militia resolution, which gives us some teeth to be able to act and do something if a law comes out dealing with firearms that we see is illegal," Sheriff Hieatt explained.

That resolution actually gives Tazewell County the opportunity to challenge any law it feels violates the Second Amendment rights of its citizens.

"The stronger legal arguments are the ones that we are preparing in the second resolution to allow us a constitutional challenge," Stacy said. "If the Virginia General Assembly passes these laws as they are written, and the governor signs them; we have the immediate ability to challenge those in both the Virginia and the United States Courts to challenge the constitutionality of those laws."

https://wvva.com/2019/12/09/militia-resolution-provides-extra-protection-for-tazewell-county-residents/



Interesting tactic.  Virginia law also allows for an 'unorganized militia'.  https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title44/chapter1/section44-4/
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 10, 2019, 02:57:26 pm
@ Smokin Joe


  Yeah,how bout that? Think many people will realize that and wake up in time to vote the Fascist bastards out before they seize total control?
Not so long as their assault words aren't banned.

Divide and conquer remains a viable strategy.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 11, 2019, 02:42:48 am
[Rockingham County] Supervisors To Support Second Amendment, Not Sanctuary

By JESSICA WETZLER     |     Dec 10, 2019 Updated 5 min ago

Rockingham County will not join other Virginia cities and counties in becoming a Second Amendment sanctuary under a proposed resolution released Tuesday.

The county released a draft document stating the board would declare its intent to oppose unconstitutional restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms through any and all legal means, but the word “sanctuary” was left out.

The board will hold a public hearing on the resolution Wednesday. Supervisors scheduled the hearing after being asked by the Rockingham County Republican Party to declare Rockingham a Second Amendment sanctuary.

County Attorney Thomas Miller said Tuesday that while the resolution shares some of the same elements as those approved by other counties that have become Second Amendment sanctuaries, Rockingham will not become a sanctuary if the resolution is approved.

https://www.dnronline.com/news/rockingham_county/supervisors-to-support-second-amendment-not-sanctuary/article_1590d310-2a82-548f-9994-9b348d53176e.html (https://www.dnronline.com/news/rockingham_county/supervisors-to-support-second-amendment-not-sanctuary/article_1590d310-2a82-548f-9994-9b348d53176e.html)



This is disappointing.  Rockingham County supports the Second Amendment (unless the state government decides to confiscate everyone's guns).  Just another reason to hate Harrisonburg.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 11, 2019, 02:47:31 am
Grottoes Becomes Second Amendment Sanctuary

By JESSICA WETZLER     |      Dec 9, 2019 Updated 22 hrs ago


GROTTOES — Days before Rockingham County will consider a resolution declaring itself a Second Amendment sanctuary, the town of Grottoes took an extra step and became a Second Amendment sanctuary town.

The resolution was not on the agenda for Monday’s Town Council meeting, but was brought up by Councilman Joshua Bailey during new business.

Bailey read the resolution to make Grottoes a Second Amendment sanctuary town off the only copy made available to council members. Mayor Emily Holloway said only one copy was present during the meeting.

The resolution passed 4-1, with Councilman Mark Keeler in opposition and Councilman David Raynes absent.

https://www.dnronline.com/news/rockingham_county/grottoes-becomes-second-amendment-sanctuary/article_777f5328-3935-564c-8d61-0e04096bf578.html (https://www.dnronline.com/news/rockingham_county/grottoes-becomes-second-amendment-sanctuary/article_777f5328-3935-564c-8d61-0e04096bf578.html)



Grottoes sits on the line between Augusta and Rockingham counties.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 11, 2019, 04:17:54 pm
[Rockingham County] Supervisors To Support Second Amendment, Not Sanctuary

By JESSICA WETZLER     |     Dec 10, 2019 Updated 5 min ago

Rockingham County will not join other Virginia cities and counties in becoming a Second Amendment sanctuary under a proposed resolution released Tuesday.

The county released a draft document stating the board would declare its intent to oppose unconstitutional restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms through any and all legal means, but the word “sanctuary” was left out.

The board will hold a public hearing on the resolution Wednesday. Supervisors scheduled the hearing after being asked by the Rockingham County Republican Party to declare Rockingham a Second Amendment sanctuary.

County Attorney Thomas Miller said Tuesday that while the resolution shares some of the same elements as those approved by other counties that have become Second Amendment sanctuaries, Rockingham will not become a sanctuary if the resolution is approved.

https://www.dnronline.com/news/rockingham_county/supervisors-to-support-second-amendment-not-sanctuary/article_1590d310-2a82-548f-9994-9b348d53176e.html (https://www.dnronline.com/news/rockingham_county/supervisors-to-support-second-amendment-not-sanctuary/article_1590d310-2a82-548f-9994-9b348d53176e.html)



This is disappointing.  Rockingham County supports the Second Amendment (unless the state government decides to confiscate everyone's guns).  Just another reason to hate Harrisonburg.

@Hoodat

Translation:  "We support the 2nd Amendment because we want to get re-elected,but we're not serious about it."
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 11, 2019, 05:26:37 pm
The bottom line is that while these might be great for protest or statements of intent, the resolutions are not legally binding, nor do they exempt these jurisdictions from State Law, as the AG smugly pointed out.
That the AG is tone deaf, completely, when it comes to gun owners and folks outside of the cities is evident. I'll confine my comment to that rather than give an opinion based on my impressions.

https://gundynamics.com/articles/no-legal-effect-whatsoever?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=20191210235905 (https://gundynamics.com/articles/no-legal-effect-whatsoever?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_content=20191210235905)

However, the unorganized militia resolution passed by Tazewell County has more weight, legally, and brings the standing to challenge acts out of Richmond in court immediately. https://wvva.com/2019/12/09/militia-resolution-provides-extra-protection-for-tazewell-county-residents/ (https://wvva.com/2019/12/09/militia-resolution-provides-extra-protection-for-tazewell-county-residents/)

What are needed are ordinances or laws passed by these local jurisdictions that give the ability to challenge the State Law in court.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 12, 2019, 05:58:21 am
Chesapeake council passes Second Amendment sanctuary resolution

The Associated Press 13 hrs ago

CHESAPEAKE — Virginia's third-largest city has joined the growing list of local governments to pass a 2nd Amendment sanctuary resolution.

The Virginian-Pilot reported that Chesapeake City Council members on Tuesday unanimously voted to designate the city as a “Second Amendment Constitutional City.”

The vote drew a standing ovation and cheers from the packed crowd in attendance.

https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/chesapeake-council-passes-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolution/article_7ae30b55-7ed6-5379-a4ed-65ddc0d18db3.html (https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/chesapeake-council-passes-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolution/article_7ae30b55-7ed6-5379-a4ed-65ddc0d18db3.html)

Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 12, 2019, 06:11:39 am
Amid push for gun ‘sanctuaries,’ Hanover and Henrico adopt resolutions but Chesterfield declines

By C. SUAREZ ROJAS AND SEAN GORMAN Richmond Times-Dispatch 3 hrs ago 

Leaders in two Richmond suburbs have voted this week on resolutions in response to a growing demand across Virginia for local governments to declare they are “sanctuaries” that will not infringe on residents’ gun rights under the Second Amendment.

The Hanover County Board of Supervisors’ adoption Wednesday of a modified “sanctuary” resolution was loudly cheered by many of the several hundred people in attendance, but a resolution passed a day earlier by Henrico County’s supervisors made no mention of gun rights, disappointing dozens of people who had sought a stronger stance in the face of possible legislation in the upcoming Virginia General Assembly.

In Chesterfield County, hundreds of people attended the county’s Board of Supervisors meeting Wednesday to advocate for the adoption of a sanctuary resolution. The board declined to do so.

In all three localities, fire marshals had to cut off access to the boardrooms because there were too many people and the rooms were at capacity.

https://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/amid-push-for-gun-sanctuaries-hanover-and-henrico-adopt-resolutions/article_be0818d1-e4b4-5fa9-aaf3-62b7ca0c886f.html (https://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/amid-push-for-gun-sanctuaries-hanover-and-henrico-adopt-resolutions/article_be0818d1-e4b4-5fa9-aaf3-62b7ca0c886f.html)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 12, 2019, 01:48:04 pm
Amid push for gun ‘sanctuaries,’ Hanover and Henrico adopt resolutions but Chesterfield declines

By C. SUAREZ ROJAS AND SEAN GORMAN Richmond Times-Dispatch 3 hrs ago

Leaders in two Richmond suburbs have voted this week on resolutions in response to a growing demand across Virginia for local governments to declare they are “sanctuaries” that will not infringe on residents’ gun rights under the Second Amendment.

The Hanover County Board of Supervisors’ adoption Wednesday of a modified “sanctuary” resolution was loudly cheered by many of the several hundred people in attendance, but a resolution passed a day earlier by Henrico County’s supervisors made no mention of gun rights, disappointing dozens of people who had sought a stronger stance in the face of possible legislation in the upcoming Virginia General Assembly.

In Chesterfield County, hundreds of people attended the county’s Board of Supervisors meeting Wednesday to advocate for the adoption of a sanctuary resolution. The board declined to do so.

In all three localities, fire marshals had to cut off access to the boardrooms because there were too many people and the rooms were at capacity.

https://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/amid-push-for-gun-sanctuaries-hanover-and-henrico-adopt-resolutions/article_be0818d1-e4b4-5fa9-aaf3-62b7ca0c886f.html (https://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/amid-push-for-gun-sanctuaries-hanover-and-henrico-adopt-resolutions/article_be0818d1-e4b4-5fa9-aaf3-62b7ca0c886f.html)

@Hoodat

I understand that the yankee weasel elected as Governor by the yankee weasel carpet-baggers that moved to Virginia went on tv to say or imply that he would have any sheriffs and deputies that refused to follow the law arrested and/or removed from office. Laugh if you want,but that is a serious threat to people who dreamed about wearing a badge their whole lives because they know it would end their LEO careers permanently.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: mountaineer on December 12, 2019, 03:03:00 pm
Quote
'The law is the law': Virginia Democrats float prosecution, National Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control
by Kerry Picket
 | December 11, 2019 10:01 PM

Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill say local police who do not enforce gun control measures likely to pass in Virginia should face prosecution and even threats of the National Guard.

After November's Virginia Legislature elections that led to Democrats taking control of both chambers, the gun control legislation proposed by some Democrats moved forward, including universal background checks, an “assault weapons” ban, and a red flag law.  ...

McEachin also noted that Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could call the National Guard, if necessary.

“And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law,” he said. “That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has.” ... More at Washington Examiner (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control)

Dana Loesch  @DLoesch
I challenge Democrats to follow through with this and drag innocent, law-abiding people off into the night for not willingly forfeiting their Second Amendment rights. Let’s put it on televisions across the country.
9:30 AM · Dec 12, 2019
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 12, 2019, 03:14:48 pm
Dana Loesch  @DLoesch
I challenge Democrats to follow through with this and drag innocent, law-abiding people off into the night for not willingly forfeiting their Second Amendment rights. Let’s put it on televisions across the country.
9:30 AM · Dec 12, 2019

@mountaineer

Yeah,that will work until the first time the carpetbagger governor calls out the NG and orders them to open fire,if necessary,on their relatives and neighbors. That will happen at roughly the same time he looks out his office window and sees the VA NG surrounding the Governor's Mansion.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 12, 2019, 04:22:43 pm
Here's a reversal


Rockingham County votes to become Second Amendment sanctuary


WHSV Newsroom  |  Posted: Wed 9:03 PM, Dec 11, 2019  |  Updated: Thu 10:37 AM, Dec 12, 2019


ROCKINGHAM COUNTY, Va. (WHSV) — Rockingham County became the latest locality in Virginia to declare itself a Second Amendment sanctuary on Wednesday night.

In a unanimous vote, the Rockingham County Board of Supervisors passed a resolution, similar to that which has been passed by more than 60 other localities, in support of their citizens' Second Amendment rights.

The vote came after a public comment period was held at Spotswood High School on Wednesday night. The meeting was packed with thousands of supporters of the decision. The large majority of speakers supported the resolution, while some spoke against it.

Overall, there were over 3,000 people in attendance.

Before and during the hearing, there were significant traffic delays in the area around the high school, with some people reporting that it took them at least 45 minutes just to get into the school parking lot.

More than dozen people spoke, before the board announced they had made a decision, hoping the resolution would put political pressure on Democratic lawmakers in Richmond who have made clear they want to put in place stricter gun laws in Virginia.

Those laws include universal background checks, banning any magazines that hold more than ten rounds, red flag laws, and more.

"In the words of a very intelligent, but defeated admiral, I am afraid we have done nothing but awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with great resolve. For that is exactly what they have done. Next election, we patriots of Virginia in Rockingham County will not forget that we will vote for that. God bless America and may his hand protect you and the Constitution," said one Rockingham County citizen.  .  .  .

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Rockingham-County-votes-to-become-Second-Amendment-sanctuary-566110821.html (https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Rockingham-County-votes-to-become-Second-Amendment-sanctuary-566110821.html)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 12, 2019, 04:40:13 pm
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'The law is the law': Virginia Democrats float prosecution, National Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control

Speaking of the law, this is what Virginia law already says:

§ 44-1. Composition of militia. (https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title44/chapter1/section44-1/)

The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied residents of the Commonwealth who are citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied persons resident in the Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least 16 years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than 55 years of age. The militia shall be divided into three classes: the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard; the Virginia Defense Force; and the unorganized militia.

In other words, every able-bodied resident between 16 and 55 who's either or wants to be a citizen is by law considered a militia member.

Here's the regulation regarding the unorganized militia:

§ 44-4. Composition of unorganized militia (https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title44/chapter1/section44-4/).

The unorganized militia shall consist of all able-bodied persons as set out in § 44-1, except such as may be included in §§ 44-2 (http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/44-2/) and 44-54.6 (http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/44-54.6/) and except such as may be exempted as hereinafter provided.


So it looks like these Democrats who claim to stand by the law here don't actually know what existing law says.  They plan to call out one militia to disarm another militia, both of which are regulated by Commonwealth law.  The bottom line here is that Democrats are straight-up fascists who don't give a damn about what the law, or the Constitution for that matter.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 12, 2019, 04:43:07 pm
The bottom line is that while these might be great for protest or statements of intent, the resolutions are not legally binding, nor do they exempt these jurisdictions from State Law, as the AG smugly pointed out.

@Smokin Joe

The part the AG is failing to admit is that Virginia Law qualifies just about anyone as a militia member.  (See: Amendment II)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 12, 2019, 04:55:42 pm
Updated map:

(http://gunrightswatch.com/clientuploads/news/VA/Virginia-County-Map20191211.png)


Not sure how accurate it is because I have not found any stories from Bath or Rockbridge Counties confirming passage.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 12, 2019, 05:04:11 pm
Nelson County board joins dozens of others to become a 2nd Amendment sanctuary

Annie Schroeder ; WHSV newsroom  |  Posted: Tue 1:54 PM, Dec 10, 2019  |  Updated: Tue 4:40 PM, Dec 10, 2019


NELSON COUNTY, Va. (WVIR/WHSV) — Nelson County became the latest locality in Virginia to declare itself a Second Amendment sanctuary on Tuesday afternoon.

In a 4-1 vote, the Nelson County Board of Supervisors passed a resolution, similar to that which has been passed by over 40 other localities, in support of their citizens' Second Amendment rights.

The Nelson County courthouse was packed with people there for the decision, but even before the hearing, the night before, poor weather didn’t stop people from packing the parking lot at the courthouse advocating for it in a rally.

"We don't have anybody carrying weapons, nobody's in tactical gear. We're just sane Americans and we just like to hunt we like to shoot guns. It’s all legal and we want everybody to know that we're normal folks,” organizer Don Heres said.  .  .  .

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Nelson-County-community-rallies-for-Second-Amendment-Sanctuary-resolution-566035491.html (https://www.whsv.com/content/news/Nelson-County-community-rallies-for-Second-Amendment-Sanctuary-resolution-566035491.html)



This one surprised me because Nelson County typically votes Democrat.  With this much anger, VA-5th could easily swing GOP in 2020.

The article also confirms Rockbridge County (which I would expect).

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Also voting Monday night to become a Second Amendment Sanctuary were the city of Galax, the town of Grottoes, the town of Rocky Mount, Rockbridge County, and Bedford County.

It would be great if we could get Albemarle, Faquier, and Loudon counties.  If those declare as sanctuary cities, Trump could win Virginia in 2020.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 12, 2019, 08:02:13 pm
@Hoodat

I understand that the yankee weasel elected as Governor by the yankee weasel carpet-baggers that moved to Virginia went on tv to say or imply that he would have any sheriffs and deputies that refused to follow the law arrested and/or removed from office. Laugh if you want,but that is a serious threat to people who dreamed about wearing a badge their whole lives because they know it would end their LEO careers permanently.
Those hired guns would be directly interfering with and arresting the very people elected to enforce the law in those counties.
Think about that for a second.
Let the ramifications of allowing appointed hirelings to overturn the will of the People, even to the degree they'd remove those elected people  from their offices against the will of the electorate.


Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 12, 2019, 09:33:57 pm
Those hired guns would be directly interfering with and arresting the very people elected to enforce the law in those counties.
Think about that for a second.
Let the ramifications of allowing appointed hirelings to overturn the will of the People, even to the degree they'd remove those elected people  from their offices against the will of the electorate.

@Smokin Joe

We are not going to have to imagine it for long because it is going to be a reality within a year in Virginia. The leftist weasel the yankee immigrants elected is as serious about this stuff as a heart-attack. Unlike a lot of pols who claim to be something for personal gain,this asshat is a True Believer,and between him and Terrible Terry McAulliffe,the guy he replaced,they have appointed enough lapdog yankee weasels in positions of authority with the Va police and courts that he considers it to be a done deal he is going to get away with.

And he might. This thing could easily go to total gun confiscation,or total anarchy and revolution. Too early to tell at this time which way it will go,but the one thing that is certain is the situation that exists now can't continue to exist. It IS going to go one way or the other. Governor Ralph Northam (just remembered his name) has gone too far now to back off,and thinks he now has total control over Virginia and has no intention of backing off.

This could get ugly quickly if the gun confiscation begins and shooting starts,which then causes gun owners from surrounding states to pick up their guns to go help the Virginia Militia.

Northham would have no option but activate the NG,but who knows which side they would show up to support? When that fails,his only option is to request federal troops,which would mean the 82nd Abn Division IF President Trump would give them to him,which would be a big surprise to me. Then the next question would be "How many of the enlisted swine in the 82nd Abn Division would shoot other Americans to help gun confiscation? Would they just refuse their orders and sit in protest,or would they join the rebels,bringing their equipment with them?

Don't say this CAN'T happen,either. I agree that it is unlikely,but don't forget,the British didn't think Americans would rise up to fight the Crown,either.

ALL it could take to light off that powder keg is ONE tv broadcast of Police,NG,and/or Federal troops dragging the dead bodies of a local family out of their house because they refused to turn their guns over,and it would be Game ON!

Unintended Consequences is more than the name of a movie.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 13, 2019, 06:45:31 am
@Smokin Joe

We are not going to have to imagine it for long because it is going to be a reality within a year in Virginia. The leftist weasel the yankee immigrants elected is as serious about this stuff as a heart-attack. Unlike a lot of pols who claim to be something for personal gain,this asshat is a True Believer,and between him and Terrible Terry McAulliffe,the guy he replaced,they have appointed enough lapdog yankee weasels in positions of authority with the Va police and courts that he considers it to be a done deal he is going to get away with.

And he might. This thing could easily go to total gun confiscation,or total anarchy and revolution. Too early to tell at this time which way it will go,but the one thing that is certain is the situation that exists now can't continue to exist. It IS going to go one way or the other. Governor Ralph Northam (just remembered his name) has gone too far now to back off,and thinks he now has total control over Virginia and has no intention of backing off.

This could get ugly quickly if the gun confiscation begins and shooting starts,which then causes gun owners from surrounding states to pick up their guns to go help the Virginia Militia.

Northham would have no option but activate the NG,but who knows which side they would show up to support? When that fails,his only option is to request federal troops,which would mean the 82nd Abn Division IF President Trump would give them to him,which would be a big surprise to me. Then the next question would be "How many of the enlisted swine in the 82nd Abn Division would shoot other Americans to help gun confiscation? Would they just refuse their orders and sit in protest,or would they join the rebels,bringing their equipment with them?

Don't say this CAN'T happen,either. I agree that it is unlikely,but don't forget,the British didn't think Americans would rise up to fight the Crown,either.

ALL it could take to light off that powder keg is ONE tv broadcast of Police,NG,and/or Federal troops dragging the dead bodies of a local family out of their house because they refused to turn their guns over,and it would be Game ON!

Unintended Consequences is more than the name of a movie.
The potential for this powder keg to become more is evident to me as well. As I said, the pols are tone deaf to the desires (and, actually, the Rights) of the rural population, and with typical urban leftist liberal smugness have no problem imposing on those they view as less than themselves what they consider "good" for the masses.

If they (The Democommies in the Legislature) don't back down, this might not end well.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 13, 2019, 11:00:42 am


If they (The Democommies in the Legislature) don't back down, this might not end well.

@Smokin Joe

I guess that determination will be determined by who is hanging from the trees when the smoke finally clears,as well as each individuals POV.

I don't see a civil war as a win for anyone,but it may well be necessary to have another one to preserve individual freedoms as well as the independence of America.

Make no mistake about it,the lefties like Northam and McAulliffe seek nothing less than a One World Government under their control,and they know if they are to ever be able to feel safe in their "benign dictatorship of the left",they MUST disarm the peons. They are not personally afraid of a uprising or revolution because THEY and THEIR families have and will always have ARMED State Police and even military police units to protect them from the serfs.

Northam and the others can smugly call for gun control because THEY have armed bodyguard details protecting them and theirs 24/7,and it doesn't even cost them one thin dime.

The "good news" for YOU is that IF you contribute money and physical support for them and their campaigns,they MIGHT allow YOU to hire off-duty armed cops to protect you and your family.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 14, 2019, 02:14:54 am
Prince William supervisors approve Second Amendment sanctuary resolution

InsideNoVa.com     |     December 11, 2019, 8:43 AM

If only for a few weeks, Prince William County has joined 58 other municipalities around Virginia in declaring itself a so-called Second Amendment sanctuary.

The resolutions across the state in recent weeks are an effort to shore up support for gun owners as a new Democratic majority takes control of the General Assembly in January, with gun law reforms near the top of the agenda.

There’s also a change in leadership coming in Prince William, and it could be the first county to overturn a sanctuary resolution.

The 6-2 Republican majority approved the resolution down party lines after hours of public comment. But new supervisors that will be sworn in Jan. 6 will flip control of the board to Democrats, with a 5-3 majority — and Chair-elect Ann Wheeler has already said the board will move to overturn the Second Amendment resolution.

Four of the six Republicans who voted for the resolution Tuesday night will not be on the board in January — three of them will be replaced by Democrats.

Hundreds of residents filled the county administration building Tuesday night. Out of the more than 100 people who spoke, only one spoke in opposition.

The resolution states that the board will oppose efforts to unconstitutionally restrict Second Amendment rights, as enshrined in the U.S. and state constitutions.  .  .  .

https://wtop.com/prince-william-county/2019/12/prince-william-supervisors-approve-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolution/




Democrats on record again openly opposing the Constitution.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: mountaineer on December 17, 2019, 08:55:45 pm
(https://amedia.concealedcarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/16074237/Virginia-2nd-Amendment-Sanctuary-Statue-1024x545.jpg)

Source: Second Amendment Sanctuaries: Flames of Freedom, at ConcealedCarry.com (https://www.concealedcarry.com/news/second-amendment-sanctuaries-flames-of-freedom/?fbclid=IwAR3tX2wDbx5KcbwpXnvOrBPcCGhtiQsn7ZBzWQr-r4Qy3mA4DhmP-GAFd0w)
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 17, 2019, 09:06:44 pm
(https://amedia.concealedcarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/16074237/Virginia-2nd-Amendment-Sanctuary-Statue-1024x545.jpg)

Source: Second Amendment Sanctuaries: Flames of Freedom, at ConcealedCarry.com (https://www.concealedcarry.com/news/second-amendment-sanctuaries-flames-of-freedom/?fbclid=IwAR3tX2wDbx5KcbwpXnvOrBPcCGhtiQsn7ZBzWQr-r4Qy3mA4DhmP-GAFd0w)
I'd say that is a pretty clear message to the legislature, and the Governor--If they aren't completely tone deaf.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 17, 2019, 11:33:51 pm
I'd say that is a pretty clear message to the legislature, and the Governor--If they aren't completely tone deaf.

@Smokin Joe

You don't seriously think they give a rabid rats ass about what the "little people" think,do you? If they manage to win power back again,the "little people" will think what they are TOLD to think,if they know what is good for them.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 18, 2019, 12:01:09 am
@Smokin Joe

You don't seriously think they give a rabid rats ass about what the "little people" think,do you? If they manage to win power back again,the "little people" will think what they are TOLD to think,if they know what is good for them.
I think some politicians should do up their resumes and get ready for a job change. Even NoVA and the maritimes will see the stupidity in criminalizing gun ownership, registration, and the inevitable conflict with heretofore law-abiding folks who have drawn the line on compliance with totalitarianism.

Yeah, they'll make 'examples', some folks will cave at the thought, but others will patently ignore the new laws and keep their stuff. Like the Canadian Long Gun Registry, this won't end well for the antis.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 18, 2019, 12:15:16 am
Pulaski County joins localities across Virginia in approving Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions

Posted On 6:53 am December 17, 2019

PULASKI COUNTY – Nearly 800 citizens erupted in applause as the board of supervisors unanimously passed a motion changing its resolution to become a Second Amendment “supportive” county to a “sanctuary” county.

The change was made at the request of Fairlawn citizen Gary Hughes – the first to contact the county about the designation back in November – because he felt the word “sanctuary” had a more meaningful impact to legislators in Richmond.

Hughes said the Democratic majority is in the process of launching the “most egregious attack on the Second Amendment in the history of our republic.” Both of his comments drew strong applause from the audience.  .  .  .

http://www.gopusa.com/pulaski-county-joins-localities-across-virginia-in-approving-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolutions/ (http://www.gopusa.com/pulaski-county-joins-localities-across-virginia-in-approving-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolutions/)



It would be nice to get neighboring Montgomery County on board, home to VPI (Va Tech).

About Pulaski County:  As a teenager, I had some serious traffic charges (by Commonwealth standards) in Pulaski County.  I decided to make the 160 mile drive there to show up in court and politely ask the judge to reduce the charges.  There was only one court in Pulaski.  All cases went before the judge.  After sitting there listening to the cases for a couple of hours, they brought in three men in handcuffs, two of whom were barefoot.  I don't even know what they were charged with.  All I heard was the voice of that judge saying, "Twenty-five years to be served in the Virginia State Penitentiary."

As they dragged the three men back out, the bailiff called my name next.  True story.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: PeteS in CA on December 18, 2019, 05:18:26 pm
101 counties, https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/12/18/number-virginia-second-amendment-sanctuaries-now-101/ . Isn't that close to all VA counties that do not border DC?
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Hoodat on December 27, 2019, 06:40:57 am
Fauquier County latest in Virginia to pass resolution backing Second Amendment

Teddy Gelman     |     December 24, 2019, 1:04 PM


The Fauquier County Board of Supervisors unanimously voted Monday night to adopt a resolution designating the county as a “Constitutional County.”

Though different in name from the “Second Amendment Sanctuary” designations adopted by neighboring Virginia counties over the past few weeks, Fauquier’s resolution is effectively the same.

The county’s board voted 5-0 to adopt the resolution, which states that the county strongly opposes any laws that restrict the right to keep and bear arms.

https://wtop.com/virginia/2019/12/fauquier-county-latest-in-virginia-to-pass-resolution-backing-second-amendment/
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 27, 2019, 09:14:11 am
WHile these resolutions may not carry legal weight (they are resolutions, not laws, and the real heavyweight behind the sentiment is the Second Amendment), it should be clear to the Legislature and the Governor that the people do not desire and are not willing to comply with any new restrictions on their RKBA. Gun legislation should be a non-starter in the assembly, and it might do to remind their legislators that they represent the people, not the Democrat leadership.

Clog their inboxes, mailboxes, and keep their phones ringing.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2019, 10:04:48 am
...

it should be clear to the Legislature and the Governor that the people do not desire and are not willing to comply with any new restrictions on their RKBA. 

@Smokin Joe

It seems to be clear to ME that they know this and don't give a damn. Since when has any dictator or would-be dictator gave a damn about what the people think?
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: Smokin Joe on December 27, 2019, 10:17:13 am
@Smokin Joe

It seems to be clear to ME that they know this and don't give a damn. Since when has any dictator or would-be dictator gave a damn about what the people think?
When the Founders wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence, do you think they thought that King George would have an epiphany and change his ways? I doubt it. The explanation was pro forma, to ensure that every means short of revolution had been utilized.
Take from these would be dictators the ability to claim that they did not hear the voice of the people because nothing was said, send them mountains of correspondence, gigs of e-mails, make that voice heard everywhere so that only the claim of being blind, mute and deaf would give them an excuse to have not heard the people saying "NO".
Then let the world see their perfidy for what it is.
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: sneakypete on December 27, 2019, 03:37:24 pm
When the Founders wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence, do you think they thought that King George would have an epiphany and change his ways? I doubt it. The explanation was pro forma, to ensure that every means short of revolution had been utilized.
Take from these would be dictators the ability to claim that they did not hear the voice of the people because nothing was said, send them mountains of correspondence, gigs of e-mails, make that voice heard everywhere so that only the claim of being blind, mute and deaf would give them an excuse to have not heard the people saying "NO".
Then let the world see their perfidy for what it is.

@Smokin Joe

That will only happen when the survivors are put on trial. They are CONVINCED of their divine right to rule due to being born into wealthy families or connected to wealthy families,and they will go to their graves believing this.

After all,only THEY have the breeding and the class to know what is best for the working-class trash,who have nothing better to do with their lives than watch Reality TV and hump their sisters,right?
Title: Re: Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislatu
Post by: conservativevoter on December 27, 2019, 03:40:36 pm
Like the Texans once told Santa Ana..... "Come and take it!"   :patriot: