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John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
Dr. Seb Gorka
Mar. 20, 2019
Today, President Donald J. Trump spoke before the workers of an Ohio General Motors factory that he is fighting to save. While speaking, President Trump brought up the issue of the late Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and stated that he was “not a fan†of the senator’s. Everything that President Trump said about the late Senator McCain in Ohio was correct. In fact, he did not go far enough. The history of tension between President Trump and Senator McCain goes back years. And, what President Trump did not mention was the late senator’s integral role in the Russia collusion delusion.
During the 2016 presidential election, Donald J. Trump distinguished himself from his Republican rivals during the primary by speaking very frankly about the world. Whether it be the issue of illegal immigration, defeating ISIS, or dealing with China’s nefarious trade policies toward the United States, he never backed down from telling voters the way he viewed America’s most pressing problems and how to solve them. With this one candidate, the average American was going to get an honest statement from a non-politician.
Consequently, from his first day running for president, everything about candidate Trump rankled the politically correct “Establishment.†One moment during the early days of the 2016 Republican presidential primary, in particular, set off alarm bells among America’s self-anointed elite: the day that Donald Trump responded to criticisms from Senator John McCain (R-AZ), who had attacked Trump’s comments about illegal immigrants during his campaign announcement several weeks before. On that day, Donald Trump–who was taking incoming attacks, both on a political and a personal level–responded to McCain’s attacks by being blunt about McCain’s Vietnam War record. From that point onward, Donald Trump was marked for destruction by the elite.
It was less that Mr. Trump had disparaged Senator McCain and more the fact that he did it in such a candid, and unapologetic way. Trump routinely told his opponents that he was a “counterpuncher,†and if someone came at him, he would reply in-kind–maybe even going a little farther in his response, so as to deter future attacks. But, John McCain, unlike Donald Trump, was considered part of America’s untouchable, sacred, political class. Trump was a bull in a China shop; breaking all of the shibboleths that have dominated America’s calcifying political system for so long. McCain, who had never liked Trump, smiled and opted for a longer-term covert strategy of destruction. Despite the attacks on McCain’s service record, the late senator tepidly endorsed Trump when he was nominated to be the Republican presidential candidate. Yet, that endorsement was hardly ringing.
At the same time that McCain was appearing to let “bygones-be-bygonesâ€; while he was endorsing and standing by Trump, McCain sent one of his top aides on a desperate flight to London. Why? Because McCain had become aware of a “dossier†that had been compiled by a former British MI6 intelligence agent and Russian specialist, Christopher Steele. The report allegedly contained the “truth†about Donald Trump’s illicit connections to Russia, and its autocratic and kleptocratic leader, Vladimir Putin. Unable to swallow that Trump’s campaign rhetoric was just that, political brinkmanship during a tough primary, McCain helped initiate the greatest political witch hunt in the modern history of our republic. Together, with his former Democratic Party “rivals,†such as former President Barack Obama and the 2016 Democratic Party presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, McCain operated as an insurgent from behind the political battle lines: pushing the salacious dossier into the waiting hands of Trump’s foes.
t did not matter that the dossier was unvetted. It also did not matter that the dossier was initially created after anti-Trump elements within the Republican Party paid Fusion-GPS, an opposition research firm headed by Democratic Party members who were also full-time DOJ officials, such as Bruce Ohr. What mattered was that John McCain was going to exact his vengeance upon Donald Trump for having questioned his untouchable status. The fact that McCain, rather than respond to Trump’s attacks–counterpunching, as Trump called it–opted to instead lay low; let the Trump Campaign gain momentum, and then attempt to cut that momentum off at the last possible moment with propaganda from overseas implies a degree of maliciousness unbefitting a former United States Naval officer. After all, McCain had claimed that he had moved beyond Trump’s attacks. He had indicated that all was settled between the two of them. Instead, he bitterly clung onto his grudge against Trump and tried to subvert him.
Because Senator John McCain, the 2008 Republican Party presidential candidate, was effectively endorsing the false dossier, the Obama Administration intelligence services–notably the FBI and CIA–giddily opened up a counterintelligence investigation into Donald Trump and his closest associates. This role was pivotal since McCain gave cover to what was clearly a politically-motivated investigation initiated only because Trump was now a threat to the political class’ preferred presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton. It is unlikely that Senator McCain ever truly believed that the evidence manufactured for the Steele Dossier, or that it was worthy of the attention of the U.S. intelligence community. Instead, he just wanted to sabotage Donald Trump’s chances against Hillary Clinton.
Once Trump became president, however, McCain never stepped in or tried to rein in what had by that point become a totally out-of-control investigation. All that mattered was making Trump pay. McCain, a man who had spent his life fighting to become a part of America’s postwar privileged elite, was now fighting desperately to ensure that a perceived uncouth ruffian, a real estate tycoon from Queens, would never govern effectively once in office. It is unlikely that without McCain’s initial backing, the Russia Collusion Delusion would have lasted as long as it has (or even started). As the “investigationâ€â€“or persecution–has progressed, more and more information has emerged showing how much of it was based on a total lie. But, the bureaucratic wheels were already in-motion by the time these new revelations were made. Because of the investigation, the outgoing Obama Administration was able to gaslight both the intelligence services as well as the Fake News Industrial Complex into believing that Trump and his team were working for Putin and Moscow.
With the investigation underway, then-President Obama was able to draft new rules for the dissemination of raw intelligence, making it harder for his successor to enforce the previous standards. The Obama Administration’s Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Evelyn Farkas, bragged on Morning Joe in 2017 how she and other former Obama officials “hid†parts of the Russia investigation deep within the federal bureaucracy, in an attempt to ensure that the incoming Trump Administration could never end the investigation. All of this happened, thanks to the Steele memo McCain pushed. A tissue of lies only given any credence, thanks to a vengeful Senator John McCain.
This is the only legacy the late Senator John McCain now has. He was a sad, old man who was initiating a federal counterintelligence investigation against a political foe, based on an utter fabrication dressed up as a “dossier.â€
https://www.sebgorka.com/john-mccain-was-the-admiral-of-the-never-trump-movement/ (https://www.sebgorka.com/john-mccain-was-the-admiral-of-the-never-trump-movement/)
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False precept. The term "never trumper" is used as if there is some monolithic belief system involved.
Not so.
I understand that to a populist waving the flag of "you're with us or against us", it may appear that way because those folks only see two sides, their side, and everyone else.
SO, let's try to sort that out.
The GOPe didn't like Trump, but thought they 'could make deals with him'. They had already found that doing such with Cruz was less likely. McCain fit in the group, a ring-knocker who followed in his father's wake, and capitalized on his war record. A country-club Republican: GOPe.
Considering Cruz was closer to the TEA party faction's sort of guy (whom the GOPe had already dumped a steaming pile on) the GOPe sided with Trump, however anemically, at least until they started slow walking after the election, which they did to preserve as much status quo as they could. Same ol', same ol' is their bread and butter.
Now, from what I have been able to discern, there are three classes of folks who aren't just gaga over the POTUS: First, those who stuck to their Conservative guns (no, you don't get to hijack the word) and said that Trump was either too far Left, or had been in cahoots with them too long, or just didn't trust populism over principle. They had concerns and when they started getting shouted down in the rightmedia, saw more of the same sort of shoutdown treatment the Left had been offering. Not the way to win hearts and minds, there, and it got a lot of people's back up who figured the only folks who would treat them that way are Leftists and enemies, and walked away.
There was the GOPe faction who are the mushy moderates of the Party, enjoying their status, long on promises, short on delivery, looking to keep it that way.
And then there is that vast assemblage to the undeniable Left of the POTUS, in thought, word, and deed, many of whom were actually Hillary supporters who were shocked that she lost. These include most Democrats, SJW types, Communists, Socialists, and general enemies of the Constitutional Republic.
But to call John McCain the 'admiral' of all three groups is not only disingenuous, but false.
He may have been a hero to the left (he seemed to vote with them enough).
He may have been a card carrying member of the Country Club GOPe.
But he definitely wasn't the standard bearer for the Constitutional Conservatives out there.
Maybe it was just that quip from Trump about 'not being captured' that really ignited Senator McCain's ire, after all, not all deal with low blow personal attacks with the ability to set them aside afterwards for the good of the country.
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False precept. The term "never trumper" is used as if there is some monolithic belief system involved.
Not so.
goopo
A profound and sincere post.
From his first day running for president, everything about candidate Trump rankled the politically correct “Establishment.â€
Maybe until he beat Hitlery. Then Trump became the GOP and the GOP became Trump. Trump is the Admiral of the Never Trump movement.
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Now, from what I have been able to discern, there are three classes of folks who aren't just gaga over the POTUS: First, those who stuck to their Conservative guns (no, you don't get to hijack the word) and said that Trump was either too far Left, or had been in cahoots with them too long, or just didn't trust populism over principle.
Principles without a lick of common sense is a death sentence in politics. If you can’t understand where the American people are and reach them on their turf, stay out of politics. And this goes double for “principled conservativesâ€. Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms. He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
You call this “populism†and despise it. Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving. What they want in return is freedom from an overbearing government, a constitution to mean what it says, a nation state with its sovereignty secure, an uncluttered path to earning whatever wealth they desire, and room for God—even in the public square.
Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it. You make sense only to yourselves.
I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principlesâ€. It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger. If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.
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And then there is that vast assemblage to the undeniable Left of the POTUS, in thought, word, and deed, many of whom were actually Hillary supporters who were shocked that she lost. These include most Democrats, SJW types, Communists, Socialists, and general enemies of the Constitutional Republic.
But to call John McCain the 'admiral' of all three groups is not only disingenuous, but false.
This group also includes many conservatives and many republicans --- their desired end of the Trump presidency dovetails with the democrats, socialists and especially the general enemies of a constitutional republic.
John McCain was most certainly an admiral of this, the combined largest group of NeverTrumpers. John McCain peddled a knowingly false dossier even after the election to bring down a duly elected president of the United States. And “Country First†McCain did so because he didn’t like him. Let this sink in.
This 21st century sedition is but chapter one in the legacy of Admiral McCain who served with relentless vigor in the NeverTrump war. The record will show he fought with the enemy.
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This group also includes many conservatives and many republicans --- their desired end of the Trump presidency dovetails with the democrats, socialists and especially the general enemies of a constitutional republic.
John McCain was most certainly an admiral of this, the combined largest group of NeverTrumpers. John McCain peddled a knowingly false dossier even after the election to bring down a duly elected president of the United States. And “Country First†McCain did so because he didn’t like him. Let this sink in.
This 21st century sedition is but chapter one in the legacy of Admiral McCain who served with relentless vigor in the NeverTrump war. The record will show he fought with the enemy.
Conserrvatives to the LEFT of POTUS?
Conservative what?
I think you could look until your eyes shriveled up and fell out of your head, and you won't find a single American Constitutional Conservative to the LEFT of Donald Trump.
Thanks, for playing, dear.
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Principles without a lick of common sense is a death sentence in politics. If you can’t understand where the American people are and reach them on their turf, stay out of politics. And this goes double for “principled conservativesâ€. Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms. He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
You call this “populism†and despise it. Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving. What they want in return is freedom from an overbearing government, a constitution to mean what it says, a nation state with its sovereignty secure, an uncluttered path to earning whatever wealth they desire, and room for God—even in the public square.
Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it. You make sense only to yourselves.
I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principlesâ€. It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger. If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.
Your perception is flawed.
When your 'messenger' acts like a Conservative, he gets praise, when he doesn't he doesn't. Since the standards don't change, that ball is in his court, and it is that way for anyone. They are or they aren't.
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Your perception is flawed.
No it's not. It's not at all.
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Conserrvatives to the LEFT of POTUS?
Conservative what?
I think you could look until your eyes shriveled up and fell out of your head, and you won't find a single American Constitutional Conservative to the LEFT of Donald Trump.
Thanks, for playing, dear.
I know it hurts, pumpkin, but "conservatives" are in bed with liberals, socialists, communists in their efforts to derail Donald Trump. I'd call that to the LEFT of Hugo Chavez.
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Principles without a lick of common sense is a death sentence in politics. If you can’t understand where the American people are and reach them on their turf, stay out of politics. And this goes double for “principled conservativesâ€. Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms. He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
You call this “populism†and despise it. Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving. What they want in return is freedom from an overbearing government, a constitution to mean what it says, a nation state with its sovereignty secure, an uncluttered path to earning whatever wealth they desire, and room for God—even in the public square.
Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it. You make sense only to yourselves.
I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principlesâ€. It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger. If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.
@Right_in_Virginia
That’s a stirring speech, but it isn’t about just that. It’s about adoration of a public servant. And it’s amazing that the tone-deafness among hardcore Trump fans persists to the degree that you still don’t understand how to sell Trump without cultic language like “getting on his train.†If there’s a train, it’s ours, and Trump needs to be on it.
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I remember when Ted Cruz, Dana Loesch, Ben Shapiro, and others were Never Trump. I don’t remember any of them saying they reported to McCain for orders.
Gorka and his type just can’t bring themselves to admit that NeverTrump was an individual stance born of free thought & reasoning. Maybe because he and his fellow hardcores have forgotten all about those concepts.
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yourselves.
I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principlesâ€. It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger. If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.
The definition of and principles therein, changes to suit the the mment.
For example: border wall and illegal immigrants:
--Once upon a time these "principles would rank fforemost,
--Yet today anti-Trumpers dismiss these "principles
Generally vocal "conservatives" now, don't care much about results; just lofty word salads full of rhetoric.
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Observation:
McCain, unwittingly, was one of the parents of the Trump movement, not the leader of the Never Trumpers.
He became so when he nominated Sarah Palin as his running mate in 2008.
Find a female political figure that is most like Trump and you'd be hard-pressed to find one other than Sarah Palin.
Palin did have experience as a governor, yet the MSM and the Establishment GOP, and Dems couldn't wait to take her down.
Sound familiar?
McCain just didn't like Trump, it's that simple.
Ego over results.
Love or hate McCain, and whether McCain liked or realized it or not, he helped with bringing a candidate along on the national stage, who was going in to fight the established norms.
Palin set the stage for Trump, and Palin would not have had that effect if McCain hadn't nominated her.
For all that like to ride them dang old trains, like the Trump train, and that hate McCain, you shouldn't.
Heck, you should thank him.
As far as the conservative argument goes, Trump has lower taxes, lowered regulations, nominated constitutional-minded judges, and moving things in the right direction for our veterans.
Great news.
Yet, the Debt still grows, and now family leave act is probably coming, and Obama-care is not only still in place, it hasn't been revisited.
Still not 100% sure where he stands on the dreamers.
Not so great news.
It's only starting year 3, things could change, hopefully, for the better, as far as conservatism goes, but it's not bad.
There's still work to be done.
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The definition of and principles therein, changes to suit the the mment.
For example: border wall and illegal immigrants:
--Once upon a time these "principles would rank fforemost,
--Yet today anti-Trumpers dismiss these "principles
Generally vocal "conservatives" now, don't care much about results; just lofty word salads full of rhetoric.
@truth_seeker
Y'all really have no clue what Conservative principles are at all, do you?
The border wall is not a principle, and never has been. Conservatives are unequivocally *for* a border wall, every one, and there is no doubt of that - But it is not a principle thing.
I am beginning to realize why no one will defend Tumpy by and upon Conservative principles... Y'all have no idea what they are, or what it even means.
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Y'all really have no clue what Conservative principles are at all, do you?
The border wall is not a principle, and never has been. Conservatives are unequivocally *for* a border wall, every one, and there is no doubt of that - But it is not a principle thing.
I am beginning to realize why no one will defend Tumpy by and upon Conservative principles... Y'all have no idea what they are, or what it even means.
Very true.....
Too me it is somewhere between Cult of Personality Disorder and Jedi Mind Tricks.
And somewhere along the way the time tested true concept of "Words have Consequences" have long fallen by the wayside.
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Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms.
no, @Right_in_Virginia , he is not. No one defends him as a Conservative, because he most certainly is not a Conservative. There is not a single Conservative principle being defended by this administration - Not one.
He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
Strains of nationalism - Useless without principled truth... Mindlessly chanting 'USA' does not serve the purpose before the fact.
You call this “populism†and despise it.
Only because it is despicable. :shrug:
Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving.
What pap. And remarkably without truth. Populism is nothing of that. Populism is found in Vogue magazine and having the newest iphone. It breathes in style and fashion, and follows every stupid diet fad that comes along. It is, by it's nature, bereft of any principled thing of any kind... Because the 'in' thing is never principled, and always shallow.
Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it. You make sense only to yourselves.
I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principlesâ€. It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger. If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.
RIIIIGHT. Finally an admission: To y'all it's ALL about the messenger, ain't it?
That's what true Conservatives recoil from. That is the repugnance of populism. Vapid undying loyalty to dear leader is ALWAYS repugnant to principled people.
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Your perception is flawed.
When your 'messenger' acts like a Conservative, he gets praise, when he doesn't he doesn't. Since the standards don't change, that ball is in his court, and it is that way for anyone. They are or they aren't.
That's right.
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@truth_seeker
Y'all really have no clue what Conservative principles are at all, do you?
That strikes me as a challenge to play the "conservative virtue signaling " game.
Is that found with the "mirror on the wall, who is the fairest conservative of them all?" game
I am the simple grandson of a Wyoming cowboy. He left home at age 14, too many mouths to feed in his parents' immigrant household.
I am also the grandson of a woman college biology professor in the 1920s.
Results Impress. Word salad not so much.
Monotheism, which predated Judaism in the middle east, Judeo Christian Bible, Nordic Thing (Pagan), Magna Carta, Natural Law (Catholic). C. G. Yung
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S Y'all go ahead with whatever word salad suits your approach.
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That strikes me as a challenge to play the "conservative virtue signaling " game.
As I thought.
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As I thought.
@roamer_1
When only your brand of Conservatism is 'authentic', you disparage countless good people.
...which I'm sure is never your intent.
Nevertheless, you're the Briefer 'Admiral'. :laugh:
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American Conservatism is, by definition, a confederation of three, or arguably four, factions.
The principles of conservatism are the immovable priorities that those factions will not compromise.
Those principled things, when remaining uncompromised is where unity is found, and not in any other way.
To blindly disdain those principled things is to promote disunity, wherein the various factions divide and remove themselves from the equation.
There is your 'virtue signalling', and why your movement unties rather than unites.
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@truth_seeker
Y'all really have no clue what Conservative principles are at all, do you?
The border wall is not a principle, and never has been. Conservatives are unequivocally *for* a border wall, every one, and there is no doubt of that - But it is not a principle thing.
I am beginning to realize why no one will defend Tumpy by and upon Conservative principles... Y'all have no idea what they are, or what it even means.
QFT...
Principles like an old pair of jogging pants, stretch to fit just about anything (and everything).
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@roamer_1
When only your brand of Conservatism is 'authentic', you disparage countless good people.
...which I'm sure is never your intent.
Nevertheless, you're the Briefer 'Admiral'. :laugh:
Completely inaccurate, @DCPatriot there are only two kinds of American Conservatism by definition.
Goldwater and Reagan, with the difference between them being the addition of the social conservatives with Reagan.
There is no other American Conservatism at all.
I don't know what y'all are chasing, and I don't really care - What I do care about is when it is called conservatism, because it ain't.
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QFT...
Principles like an old pair of jogging pants, stretch to fit just about anything (and everything).
That is always the purpose of those who would redefine it. This is no different.
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Completely inaccurate, @DCPatriot there are only two kinds of American Conservatism by definition.
Goldwater and Reagan, with the difference between them being the addition of the social conservatives with Reagan.
There is no other American Conservatism at all.
I don't know what y'all are chasing, and I don't really care - What I do care about is when it is called conservatism, because it ain't.
When the 'patient' is your child of three years that's one thing. When they are grown adults with personality disorders...say, not being 'Conservative' enough..or not at all, what is your treatment, 'Doctor'?
Staying home on election day with a big 'Eff You'? "...not my monkeys, not my circus"?
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When the 'patient' is your child of three years that's one thing. When they are grown adults with personality disorders...say, not being 'Conservative' enough..or not at all, what is your treatment, 'Doctor'?
Staying home on election day with a big 'Eff You'? "...not my monkeys, not my circus"?
@DCPatriot
In essence, YES. That is why y'all could hardly drag his fat ass across the finish line against the most reviled opponent possible.
That ain't my fault. That's YOUR (all y'all) fault. If you want that unstoppable Conservative juggernaut to rise up from the choppy seas of politics, the quintessential ingredient is standing upon those Conservative principles
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THE FACTIONS ARE JUST THAT. if you step on ONE of their principled things, it doesn't matter how many other things you promote. They'll be gone.
To wit, and I am being honest here: I have a fairly large and well distributed base of friends in the PacNW and Rocky Mountain region, by reason of my activism. TEA Party folks. RTL and R2KBA Rock-ribbed hard right. Not a single one of my friends is a Republican anymore, and not a single one supports this administration.
Understand: That is nearly 200 first tier politically active people - the folks that go out and get the money to happen for campaigns... the folks that make it go from the business side - Not one is for Tumpy or his agenda.
You can be pissed at me for it all you want, it still will not change the equation. If you want me and mine to vote for someone, they must stand upon those principles. ALL OF THEM.
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@DCPatriot
In essence, YES. That is why y'all could hardly drag his fat ass across the finish line against the most reviled opponent possible.
That ain't my fault. That's YOUR (all y'all) fault. If you want that unstoppable Conservative juggernaut to rise up from the choppy seas of politics, the quintessential ingredient is standing upon those Conservative principles
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THE FACTIONS ARE JUST THAT. if you step on ONE of their principled things, it doesn't matter how many other things you promote. They'll be gone.
To wit, and I am being honest here: I have a fairly large and well distributed base of friends in the PacNW and Rocky Mountain region, by reason of my activism. TEA Party folks. RTL and R2KBA Rock-ribbed hard right. Not a single one of my friends is a Republican anymore, and not a single one supports this administration.
Understand: That is nearly 200 first tier politically active people - the folks that go out and get the money to happen for campaigns... the folks that make it go from the business side - Not one is for Tumpy or his agenda.
You can be pissed at me for it all you want, it still will not change the equation. If you want me and mine to vote for someone, they must stand upon those principles. ALL OF THEM.
:hands:
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I know it hurts, pumpkin, but "conservatives" are in bed with liberals, socialists, communists in their efforts to derail Donald Trump. I'd call that to the LEFT of Hugo Chavez.
M'am, that is your distorted perception because you can't see anything but that they aren't groveling before the altar of your favorite fellow. Pity, that. You seem intelligent. Unfortunately, your hero worship has blinded you to the extent you only see two sides--yours and everyone else's, and because they aren't marching lockstep with you, you can't comprehend that they just might be a mite more Conservative than you are.
Now, I'm fully aware we fight the Communists and fellow travelers with the army we have, but if you idiots would quit with the circular firing squad long enough to let the smoke clear, you would perhaps quit targeting potential allies long enough to win in 2020. Right now, the tariffs are killing farm and construction equipment manufacturers, the rust belt is still rusting away, and you're going to lose some states that just aren't seeing the promise of prosperity in their yards.
Keep it up, and you'll (we'll all) lose.
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Y'all really have no clue what Conservative principles are at all, do you?
The border wall is not a principle, and never has been. Conservatives are unequivocally *for* a border wall, every one, and there is no doubt of that - But it is not a principle thing.
I am beginning to realize why no one will defend Tumpy by and upon Conservative principles... Y'all have no idea what they are, or what it even means.
If they had a clue, they might have left the station without the train. That tone deafness is going to put a Communist in office in 2020, and then they'll try to blame us.
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If they had a clue, they might have left the station without the train. That tone deafness is going to put a Communist in office in 2020, and then they'll try to blame us.
I don't know how else to say it... Folks just keep trying to make me step off them principles when I been telling em a long time gone that ain't ever gonna happen. Way past 'oh hell no'!
The only thing that is ever gonna make any sense at all is when they can defend him on those very principles - Which ain't gonna happen, because they ain't got a one to stand upon...
For instance, JUST on spending, it ain't ever gonna happen. Must I go on?
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Principles without a lick of common sense is a death sentence in politics. If you can’t understand where the American people are and reach them on their turf, stay out of politics. And this goes double for “principled conservativesâ€. Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms. He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
You call this “populism†and despise it. Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving. What they want in return is freedom from an overbearing government, a constitution to mean what it says, a nation state with its sovereignty secure, an uncluttered path to earning whatever wealth they desire, and room for God—even in the public square.
Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it. You make sense only to yourselves.
I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principlesâ€. It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger. If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.
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In this world and in our lives, what endures are ideas and principles, as all else
withers and dies.
Russell Kirk, a colleague of Bill Buckley as well as a disciple of Edmund Burke,
defined Conservatism as a body of enduring principles derived from the Natural Law;
involving the attitudes, behaviors and impulses of human nature, among them the
concept that the family unit is the foundation of culture/society for all eternity.
Conservatism is independent of economics, religion and most critically, that
obsessive hobby horse of schmucks; politics.
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@DCPatriot
In essence, YES. That is why y'all could hardly drag his fat ass across the finish line against the most reviled opponent possible.
That ain't my fault. That's YOUR (all y'all) fault. If you want that unstoppable Conservative juggernaut to rise up from the choppy seas of politics, the quintessential ingredient is standing upon those Conservative principles
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THE FACTIONS ARE JUST THAT. if you step on ONE of their principled things, it doesn't matter how many other things you promote. They'll be gone.
To wit, and I am being honest here: I have a fairly large and well distributed base of friends in the PacNW and Rocky Mountain region, by reason of my activism. TEA Party folks. RTL and R2KBA Rock-ribbed hard right. Not a single one of my friends is a Republican anymore, and not a single one supports this administration.
Understand: That is nearly 200 first tier politically active people - the folks that go out and get the money to happen for campaigns... the folks that make it go from the business side - Not one is for Tumpy or his agenda.
You can be pissed at me for it all you want, it still will not change the equation. If you want me and mine to vote for someone, they must stand upon those principles. ALL OF THEM.
@roamer_1
Good to see you and your Bible-thumping friends coming out of the closet with your support of Bubbette! or some other Dim in 2020.
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M'am, that is your distorted perception because you can't see anything but that they aren't groveling before the altar of your favorite fellow. Pity, that. You seem intelligent. Unfortunately, your hero worship has blinded you to the extent you only see two sides--yours and everyone else's, and because they aren't marching lockstep with you, you can't comprehend that they just might be a mite more Conservative than you are.
@Smokin Joe
You and your cohorts wouldn't know "conservative" if it bit you on the ass. You confuse group thought with actual thinking. You go to your churches and only talk to other people who share your own narrow POV,and then slap each other on the backs as you congratulate each other on the "lives we are saving" by being True Believers in the worlds oldest left-wing communist cult. In reality,all you are saving are your own guilty delusions.
Now, I'm fully aware we fight the Communists and fellow travelers with the army we have, but if you idiots would quit with the circular firing squad long enough to let the smoke clear, you would perhaps quit targeting potential allies long enough to win in 2020. Right now, the tariffs are killing farm and construction equipment manufacturers, the rust belt is still rusting away, and you're going to lose some states that just aren't seeing the promise of prosperity in their yards.
Keep it up, and you'll (we'll all) lose.
No,cultists like you will lose,and the truth is you are a tiny minority barely holding on to any power at all purely because of the mind-conditioning of centuries from a belief system based on fear.
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Principles without a lick of common sense is a death sentence in politics. If you can’t understand where the American people are and reach them on their turf, stay out of politics. And this goes double for “principled conservativesâ€. Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms. He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
You call this “populism†and despise it. Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving. What they want in return is freedom from an overbearing government, a constitution to mean what it says, a nation state with its sovereignty secure, an uncluttered path to earning whatever wealth they desire, and room for God—even in the public square.
Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it. You make sense only to yourselves.
I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principlesâ€. It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger. If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.
@Right_in_Virginia
And there you have it.
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I know it hurts, pumpkin, but "conservatives" are in bed with liberals, socialists, communists in their efforts to derail Donald Trump. I'd call that to the LEFT of Hugo Chavez.
@Right_in_Virginia
IMHO,they deny it because they just can't bring themselves to face the truth. They have power in the old Bob Dolt system of government,and are more afraid of losing power and influence by becoming irrelevant than they are of seeing the country collapse and become a cog in New World Order,Inc.
Trump is not a Party Person,and their minds need dogma to function because without it,who knows where they stand in the pecking order?
BTW,why is NOBODY talking about the insanity of the 15 dollar an hour minimum wage and what it will do to our economy and eventually,our way of life?
Why isn't THAT more important than bitching about Trump breaking in line and being elected as president without kissing any rings?
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@DCPatriot
In essence, YES. That is why y'all could hardly drag his fat ass across the finish line against the most reviled opponent possible.
That ain't my fault. That's YOUR (all y'all) fault. If you want that unstoppable Conservative juggernaut to rise up from the choppy seas of politics,
They ARE rising. Stop ignoring it because this rise doesn't match the picture in your head. Seriously, you're missing one of the greatest revivals of Americanism in history. And, conservatism IS Americanism. I'd advise you to stop thinking conservative principles are ereatheal. You're becoming a laughing stock to those who live in the real world.
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Principles without a lick of common sense is a death sentence in politics. If you can’t understand where the American people are and reach them on their turf, stay out of politics. And this goes double for “principled conservativesâ€. Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms. He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
You call this “populism†and despise it. Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving. What they want in return is freedom from an overbearing government, a constitution to mean what it says, a nation state with its sovereignty secure, an uncluttered path to earning whatever wealth they desire, and room for God—even in the public square.
Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it. You make sense only to yourselves.
I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principlesâ€. It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger. If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.
Well said. I share your frustration.
The problem with principled conservatives is that they think that being right is all it takes and that if they just hold tight to their principals they will through personal example have every other American believing as they do.
Note to my principled conservative friends. Have you seen today’s campus culture? The last two or three generations of college graduates and college dropouts could care less about conservative principles. And they are the future of America unless something big happens to reverse this trend.
You think your principled conservatism will reach them after they’ve been thoroughly indoctrinated? The left’s forces are coalescing around political action, while principled conservatives are on the sidelines whispering among themselves hoping they won’t be the next target of the mob.
This is war, and you don’t win political wars with principles. Where you’re principles are under political attack, you win through ruthless political action. Donald Trump, like him personally or not, is the first general in what should be a long line of America-first conservatives fighting for individual liberty, against the collectivist Left.
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@Smokin Joe
You and your cohorts wouldn't know "conservative" if it bit you on the ass. You confuse group thought with actual thinking. You go to your churches and only talk to other people who share your own narrow POV,and then slap each other on the backs as you congratulate each other on the "lives we are saving" by being True Believers in the worlds oldest left-wing communist cult. In reality,all you are saving are your own guilty delusions.
Well, pete I haven't been in a Church for years, except for a funeral. No backslapping there. SO , AGAIN you trumpanzzes are hooting up the wrong tree. I'm pretty much a heretic because I don't see some South American Socialist babbling about Global Warming as God's ultimate representative on Earth.
There is a book of scripture, and it pretty much says what needs to be said.
You're right about one thing about my narrow point of view, though, We have this dusty thing called a Constitution. Most folks haven't read it, ever, and many more just couldn't wrap their pointy heads around what it said. Others only follow it when it is convenient, and twist it when they can for fun and profit. Overall, it hasn't been followed in years, and the few of us who demand that are a dying breed. The rest have sold out for Trump change or free sh*t: to quote the book you detest "sold their birthright for a mass of pottage" Enjoy your free lunch.
Now, I'm fully aware we fight the Communists and fellow travelers with the army we have, but if you idiots would quit with the circular firing squad long enough to let the smoke clear, you would perhaps quit targeting potential allies long enough to win in 2020. Right now, the tariffs are killing farm and construction equipment manufacturers, the rust belt is still rusting away, and you're going to lose some states that just aren't seeing the promise of prosperity in their yards.
No,cultists like you will lose,and the truth is you are a tiny minority barely holding on to any power at all purely because of the mind-conditioning of centuries from a belief system based on fear.
Cultists? Like the bunch who pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor? One of my relatives signed that document. So, DILLIGAF what you people think? You are selling pigs ears and telling everyone they're silk purses.
Keep denying reality and we'll all be stuck with a Democrat in 2020, and from what they have in the running so far, that should just about finish off this "Grand Experiment" (Sorry Mr. Franklin, they pissed it away.)
Interesting that despite the many exchanges we've had here, you want to ignore that and paint as a Cultist and Communist because I won't give one guy a pass on some conspicuous promises. .
I think I'll keep praying for you just to piss you off.
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Well said. I share your frustration.
The problem with principled conservatives is that they think that being right is all it takes and that if they just hold tight to their principals they will through personal example have every other American believing as they do.
Note to my principled conservative friends. Have you seen today’s campus culture? The last two or three generations of college graduates and college dropouts could care less about conservative principles. And they are the future of America unless something big happens to reverse this trend.
Not much of a future. AINO.
You think your principled conservatism will reach them after they’ve been thoroughly indoctrinated? The left’s forces are coalescing around political action, while principled conservatives are on the sidelines whispering among themselves hoping they won’t be the next target of the mob.
No, but it might after they have thoroughly tried all the things that really don't work and made a mess of themselves, their lives, their kids, and this country. If no one shines a light on the way to go, they'll stay in the dark.
This is war, and you don’t win political wars with principles. Where you’re principles are under political attack, you win through ruthless political action. Donald Trump, like him personally or not, is the first general in what should be a long line of America-first conservatives fighting for individual liberty, against the collectivist Left.
You win a political war FOR principles, otherwise, you're just fighting over the scraps with the other scavengers.
When everything is on the table, there are no principles, just a swap meet.
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Cultists? Like the bunch who pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor? One of my relatives signed that document. So, DILLIGAF what you people think? You are selling pigs ears and telling everyone they're silk purses.
@Smokin Joe
Get over yourself. Just because some distant ancestor of yours signed a paper,that doesn't give YOU an nobility,any more than it gives your neighbors a right to hang you because another distant relative was a horse thief.
Keep denying reality and we'll all be stuck with a Democrat in 2020, and from what they have in the running so far, that should just about finish off this "Grand Experiment" (Sorry Mr. Franklin, they pissed it away.)
HERE is some reality for you,Bubba. Trump is the closest thing to an actual conservative we have had in the WH since Reagan.
Interesting that despite the many exchanges we've had here, you want to ignore that and paint as a Cultist and Communist because I won't give one guy a pass on some conspicuous promises. .
WAAAAH! WAAAAH! WAAAAH! I can't get everything I want,so I am going to take my ball and go home! The ancestor you have that you brag about would be ashamed of you for being a quitter.
I think I'll keep praying for you just to piss you off.
But....but....but,you ain't even religious according to you,so how is that possible?
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@Smokin Joe
Get over yourself. Just because some distant ancestor of yours signed a paper,that doesn't give YOU an nobility,any more than it gives your neighbors a right to hang you because another distant relative was a horse thief.
Actually, they gave up title to start this country. No more Manor Lord. That;s how much they believed in those principles.
So, no, it doesn't give me any nobility at all, but it did establish something in our family--a standard to live up to.
He could have lost it ALL, because his name was on that document, (like about half of the guys who signed it), all knowing full well what was at stake. Losing title under English law was guaranteed.
HERE is some reality for you, Bubba. Trump is the closest thing to an actual conservative we have had in the WH since Reagan.
Why is that, pete? Because people stuck to their guns and principles or because they caved?
Or is it just because they got shouted down (again) by the "be practical" 'He's electable' crowd? (like with Romney or McCain, or even Bob Dole)
I guess the only thing we really learn from history is that damned few 'get it', so they lather, rinse, and repeat the mistakes of the past. We were lucky to have Reagan. Now we're getting back to "Read my lips". The tarrifs are hurting the industrial heartland (what's left of it), and that won't go away with more bad policy, but the Unions will d@mnsure play that up. Read the writing on that wall if you want your boy back in next go-round. The Dems have two sets of voters--the ones who never had a job and don't want one, and the ones sitting around the union hall. Some of the latter group likely crossed over for Trump last time, sick of being obamma'ed out of work. If they think they are being Trumped out of work, that won't play well.
WAAAAH! WAAAAH! WAAAAH! I can't get everything I want,so I am going to take my ball and go home! The ancestor you have that you brag about would be ashamed of you for being a quitter.
Quit sniveling, pete. It's okay....I'm still here, aren't I? But continue to ignore what's going to cost those electoral votes in the next go-round, and I won't hesitate to rub noses in the mess on the floor when this is all done.
When the whinging starts in December 2020 I will personally deliver a swift kick in the ass to any Republican who whines about it.
But....but....but,you ain't even religious according to you,so how is that possible?
I don't have to go to church to pray. If we did, there'd be lines out the door and around the block, or a lot less praying going on. A lot of folks who pray wait until they are the one in deep sh*t, and there might not be time to rush off to church to get a word in...You think The Almighty doesn't hear them because they aren't in the 'right building'?
After all, we were assured that He is everywhere, which can be really handy in a pinch.
In this case, I can piss you off any time, any where :tongue2:, even though I genuinely give a sh*t.
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@roamer_1
Good to see you and your Bible-thumping friends coming out of the closet with your support of Bubbette! or some other Dim in 2020.
Nah, Pete. There's nothing I want from the Democrats. Same damn thing as Republicans. A pox on all of em.
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They ARE rising. Stop ignoring it because this rise doesn't match the picture in your head. Seriously, you're missing one of the greatest revivals of Americanism in history. And, conservatism IS Americanism. I'd advise you to stop thinking conservative principles are ereatheal. You're becoming a laughing stock to those who live in the real world.
I am not the one who considers them ethereal, @Right_in_Virginia , I am the one saying those principles are defined and specific. And I know that your movement does not support a single one of them.
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The sad part is that you point out weaknesses, and instead of people saying "thanks" and addressing those, you get attacked because you mentioned them. Kinda like folks being found hanging from lamp posts in the rubble of a European capital in the mid 40s with signs around their neck that said "defeatist"....The outcome wasn't changed one whit.
Shooting the messenger is a longstanding tradition with some folks.
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The sad part is that you point out weaknesses, and instead of people saying "thanks" and addressing those, you get attacked because you mentioned them. Kinda like folks being found hanging from lamp posts in the rubble of a European capital in the mid 40s with signs around their neck that said "defeatist"....The outcome wasn't changed one whit.
Shooting the messenger is a longstanding tradition with some folks.
I will reiterate my challenge once again... What are we getting out of the Tump administration that we actually get to keep?
So far, only more enormous debt.
That makes this administration at best, a waste of time.
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I will reiterate my challenge once again... What are we getting out of the Tump administration that we actually get to keep?
So far, only more enormous debt.
That makes this administration at best, a waste of time.
Everyday the Fascists are kept at bay and in the minority (where it counts), is NOT a waste of time.
Because without Donald Trump, we'd be living in a horror movie right now.
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Everyday the Fascists are kept at bay and in the minority (where it counts), is NOT a waste of time.
Because without Donald Trump, we'd be living in a horror movie right now.
No, no, no. You’ve got that all wrong. Donald Trump IS the horror show. Haven’t you been paying attention to the news?
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Everyday the Fascists are kept at bay and in the minority (where it counts), is NOT a waste of time.
Because without Donald Trump, we'd be living in a horror movie right now.
@DCPatriot
Bullshit. Nothing has changed. Fleeting emotional moments, that's all. Candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade. Even if you do finally get something substantial - The wall, lets say - His complicity in another what, $5T in debt has already done more damage than anything he could do to balance it.
That's the problem with calling a NYC liberal a conservative.
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Why is that, pete? Because people stuck to their guns and principles or because they caved?
@Smokin Joe
I can guarantee you he didn't stick to his "principles". He compromised with others to build a force for change. Don't let that disturb your little fantasy world,though.
The tarrifs are hurting the industrial heartland (what's left of it), and that won't go away with more bad policy, but the Unions will d@mnsure play that up. Read the writing on that wall if you want your boy back in next go-round.
Just wait until you see what happens to the economy when 15 bucks per hour for minimum wage tips the scales. There won't be a job for anyone's children unless they are black or brown and can start screaming about discrimination. How many hood rats,or even bright and productive high school seniors are qualified to earn that much per hour? Odd how I don't hear any of the people you support complaining about this.
The Dems have two sets of voters--the ones who never had a job and don't want one, and the ones sitting around the union hall. Some of the latter group likely crossed over for Trump last time, sick of being obamma'ed out of work. If they think they are being Trumped out of work, that won't play well. Quit sniveling, pete. It's okay....I'm still here, aren't I? But continue to ignore what's going to cost those electoral votes in the next go-round, and I won't hesitate to rub noses in the mess on the floor when this is all done.
Of course you won't. It what you live for and pray for day and night. Your worse nightmare come true is Trump getting re-elected. You would rather have Bubbette! than Trump.
When the whinging starts in December 2020 I will personally deliver a swift kick in the ass to any Republican who whines about it.I don't have to go to church to pray. If we did, there'd be lines out the door and around the block, or a lot less praying going on. A lot of folks who pray wait until they are the one in deep sh*t, and there might not be time to rush off to church to get a word in...You think The Almighty doesn't hear them because they aren't in the 'right building'?
After all, we were assured that He is everywhere, which can be really handy in a pinch.
In this case, I can piss you off any time, any where :tongue2:, even though I genuinely give a sh*t.
You are just not important enough for me to care either way. You have your fantasy world,and I want no part of it.
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Nah, Pete. There's nothing I want from the Democrats. Same damn thing as Republicans. A pox on all of em.
@roamer_1
I can agree with that. A dim is a professional thief and liar that I trust slightly less than an alleged Republican.
Which is one reason I decided to vote for Trump.
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I will reiterate my challenge once again... What are we getting out of the Tump administration that we actually get to keep?
So far, only more enormous debt.
That makes this administration at best, a waste of time.
@roamer_1
OK,bubba,name the candidate you wish had won,and tell us all what we would get from him,and what he could GUARANTEE? Sounds like you dream of a dictator because no one else can guarantee anything.
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I am not the one who considers them ethereal, @Right_in_Virginia , I am the one saying those principles are defined and specific.
The problem @roamer_1 is you wouldn't recognize one of your principles in action in the real world if it bit you on the ass.
But you keep preaching, you keep virtue-signaling. Soon no one will give a damn what blather you're spewing.
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@roamer_1
OK,bubba,name the candidate you wish had won,and tell us all what we would get from him,and what he could GUARANTEE? Sounds like you dream of a dictator because no one else can guarantee anything.
Strawman Pete. My criticism is of Tumpy's direct actions - That they were predictable (and they were) is beside the point. What he is doing is of little effect for Conservatism, certainly so against the complicit imbalance of freewheeling and massive spending that our great-great-grandchildren might hope to pay off.
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The problem @roamer_1 is you wouldn't recognize one of your principles in action in the real world if it bit you on the ass.
But you keep preaching, you keep virtue-signaling. Soon no one will give a damn what blather you're spewing.
:silly:
So I take it you can 'splain it to me @Right_in_Virginia ...
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@sneakypete
Let's get some sh*t straight, peaches. I don't pray for a Democrat win.
I don't pray for a socialist win.
I don't pray for a Progressive win.
I don't want any of what they are selling.
I want my republic back.
And the GOP is in the way of that, too, half the time.
You just can't see it. Yet.
One other thing is obvious to me, You don't know sh*t about what makes me tick.
But keep this in mind. I don't worship anyone who has walked the earth in the last 1900 years.
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So I take it you can 'splain it to me @Right_in_Virginia ...
Okay, already --- I'm convinced: You've an endless wealth of blather to share. :shrug:
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Here we go again—whenever a conservative disagrees with any prevailing opinion, he/she must be a Democrat.
JimRob would be so proud.
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Strawman Pete. My criticism is of Tumpy's direct actions - That they were predictable (and they were) is beside the point. What he is doing is of little effect for Conservatism, certainly so against the complicit imbalance of freewheeling and massive spending that our great-great-grandchildren might hope to pay off.
@roamer_1
Un,huh. Nice dodge,but the truth is you just want to bitch about Trump,and have no alternatives to offer. Does it make you feel superior somehow to play that game?
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@sneakypete
One other thing is obvious to me, You don't know sh*t about what makes me tick.
But keep this in mind. I don't worship anyone who has walked the earth in the last 1900 years.
@Smokin Joe
Yeah,but I don't know what makes you tick,right? PRAISE DE LAWD!
You obviously prefer fictional characters to real,living people.
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@roamer_1
Un,huh. Nice dodge,but the truth is you just want to bitch about Trump,and have no alternatives to offer. Does it make you feel superior somehow to play that game?
THat's because there is no alternative to offer now (unless Pence has to somehow step up) until the next election...
That does not mean that criticism has to stop (nor will/should it)
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@Smokin Joe
Yeah,but I don't know what makes you tick,right? PRAISE DE LAWD!
You obviously prefer fictional characters to real,living people.
I'll pass on the one you've been pushing, thanks. There is plenty of fiction there.
All we have lasting is a gun stock ban and 5 trillion in debt.
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I'll pass on the one you've been pushing, thanks. There is plenty of fiction there.
All we have lasting is a gun stock ban and 5 trillion in debt.
@Smokin Joe
And you whining because there isn't more.
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I didn't realize that the "NeverTrump" belonged to anyone. As seen here at TBR if you don't go along with every policy, tweet or tantrum you are "NeverTrump". I sure never considered McCain a leader of anything.
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I didn't realize that the "NeverTrump" belonged to anyone. As seen here at TBR if you don't go along with every policy, tweet or tantrum you are "NeverTrump". I sure never considered McCain a leader of anything.
Nope. Never voted for him either, Palin or otherwise.
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@Smokin Joe
And you whining because there isn't more.
I take it back, we have to blend a sh*tload more alcohol into the gasoline supply.
Marvelous accomplishments. *****rollingeyes*****
Wall.
Hillary in Irons
ACA repealed.
Where is that?
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@Right_in_Virginia
That’s a stirring speech, but it isn’t about just that. It’s about adoration of a public servant. And it’s amazing that the tone-deafness among hardcore Trump fans persists to the degree that you still don’t understand how to sell Trump without cultic language like “getting on his train.†If there’s a train, it’s ours, and Trump needs to be on it.
:amen: Excellent post!!!
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I take it back, we have to blend a sh*tload more alcohol into the gasoline supply.
What a waste of booze. :shotglass: 8888crybaby
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What a waste of booze. :shotglass: 8888crybaby
It was made from corn....It coulda been a ...a contender!
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@Right_in_Virginia
That’s a stirring speech, but it isn’t about just that. It’s about adoration of a public servant. And it’s amazing that the tone-deafness among hardcore Trump fans persists to the degree that you still don’t understand how to sell Trump without cultic language like “getting on his train.†If there’s a train, it’s ours, and Trump needs to be on it.
That's what is missing. The realization that it isn't a Trump train. Its our train and it needs to be headed in the "right" (Conservative) direction. Trump is self absorbed.