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John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« on: March 21, 2019, 02:05:09 am »
John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement

Dr. Seb Gorka

Mar. 20, 2019

Today, President Donald J. Trump spoke before the workers of an Ohio General Motors factory that he is fighting to save. While speaking, President Trump brought up the issue of the late Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and stated that he was “not a fan” of the senator’s. Everything that President Trump said about the late Senator McCain in Ohio was correct. In fact, he did not go far enough. The history of tension between President Trump and Senator McCain goes back years. And, what President Trump did not mention was the late senator’s integral role in the Russia collusion delusion.

During the 2016 presidential election, Donald J. Trump distinguished himself from his Republican rivals during the primary by speaking very frankly about the world. Whether it be the issue of illegal immigration, defeating ISIS, or dealing with China’s nefarious trade policies toward the United States, he never backed down from telling voters the way he viewed America’s most pressing problems and how to solve them. With this one candidate, the average American was going to get an honest statement from a non-politician.

Consequently, from his first day running for president, everything about candidate Trump rankled the politically correct “Establishment.” One moment during the early days of the 2016 Republican presidential primary, in particular, set off alarm bells among America’s self-anointed elite: the day that Donald Trump responded to criticisms from Senator John McCain (R-AZ), who had attacked Trump’s comments about illegal immigrants during his campaign announcement several weeks before. On that day, Donald Trump–who was taking incoming attacks, both on a political and a personal level–responded to McCain’s attacks by being blunt about McCain’s Vietnam War record. From that point onward, Donald Trump was marked for destruction by the elite.

It was less that Mr. Trump had disparaged Senator McCain and more the fact that he did it in such a candid, and unapologetic way. Trump routinely told his opponents that he was a “counterpuncher,” and if someone came at him, he would reply in-kind–maybe even going a little farther in his response, so as to deter future attacks. But, John McCain, unlike Donald Trump, was considered part of America’s untouchable, sacred, political class. Trump was a bull in a China shop; breaking all of the shibboleths that have dominated America’s calcifying political system for so long. McCain, who had never liked Trump, smiled and opted for a longer-term covert strategy of destruction. Despite the attacks on McCain’s service record, the late senator tepidly endorsed Trump when he was nominated to be the Republican presidential candidate. Yet, that endorsement was hardly ringing.

At the same time that McCain was appearing to let “bygones-be-bygones”; while he was endorsing and standing by Trump, McCain sent one of his top aides on a desperate flight to London. Why? Because McCain had become aware of a “dossier” that had been compiled by a former British MI6 intelligence agent and Russian specialist, Christopher Steele. The report allegedly contained the “truth” about Donald Trump’s illicit connections to Russia, and its autocratic and kleptocratic leader, Vladimir Putin. Unable to swallow that Trump’s campaign rhetoric was just that, political brinkmanship during a tough primary, McCain helped initiate the greatest political witch hunt in the modern history of our republic. Together, with his former Democratic Party “rivals,” such as former President Barack Obama and the 2016 Democratic Party presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, McCain operated as an insurgent from behind the political battle lines: pushing the salacious dossier into the waiting hands of Trump’s foes.

t did not matter that the dossier was unvetted. It also did not matter that the dossier was initially created after anti-Trump elements within the Republican Party paid Fusion-GPS, an opposition research firm headed by Democratic Party members who were also full-time DOJ officials, such as Bruce Ohr. What mattered was that John McCain was going to exact his vengeance upon Donald Trump for having questioned his untouchable status. The fact that McCain, rather than respond to Trump’s attacks–counterpunching, as Trump called it–opted to instead lay low; let the Trump Campaign gain momentum, and then attempt to cut that momentum off at the last possible moment with propaganda from overseas implies a degree of maliciousness unbefitting a former United States Naval officer. After all, McCain had claimed that he had moved beyond Trump’s attacks. He had indicated that all was settled between the two of them. Instead, he bitterly clung onto his grudge against Trump and tried to subvert him.

Because Senator John McCain, the 2008 Republican Party presidential candidate, was effectively endorsing the false dossier, the Obama Administration intelligence services–notably the FBI and CIA–giddily opened up a counterintelligence investigation into Donald Trump and his closest associates. This role was pivotal since McCain gave cover to what was clearly a politically-motivated investigation initiated only because Trump was now a threat to the political class’ preferred presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton. It is unlikely that Senator McCain ever truly believed that the evidence manufactured for the Steele Dossier, or that it was worthy of the attention of the U.S. intelligence community. Instead, he just wanted to sabotage Donald Trump’s chances against Hillary Clinton.

Once Trump became president, however, McCain never stepped in or tried to rein in what had by that point become a totally out-of-control investigation. All that mattered was making Trump pay. McCain, a man who had spent his life fighting to become a part of America’s postwar privileged elite, was now fighting desperately to ensure that a perceived uncouth ruffian, a real estate tycoon from Queens, would never govern effectively once in office. It is unlikely that without McCain’s initial backing, the Russia Collusion Delusion would have lasted as long as it has (or even started). As the “investigation”–or persecution–has progressed, more and more information has emerged showing how much of it was based on a total lie. But, the bureaucratic wheels were already in-motion by the time these new revelations were made. Because of the investigation, the outgoing Obama Administration was able to gaslight both the intelligence services as well as the Fake News Industrial Complex into believing that Trump and his team were working for Putin and Moscow.

With the investigation underway, then-President Obama was able to draft new rules for the dissemination of raw intelligence, making it harder for his successor to enforce the previous standards. The Obama Administration’s Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Evelyn Farkas, bragged on Morning Joe in 2017 how she and other former Obama officials “hid” parts of the Russia investigation deep within the federal bureaucracy, in an attempt to ensure that the incoming Trump Administration could never end the investigation. All of this happened, thanks to the Steele memo McCain pushed. A tissue of lies only given any credence, thanks to a vengeful Senator John McCain.

This is the only legacy the late Senator John McCain now has. He was a sad, old man who was initiating a federal counterintelligence investigation against a political foe, based on an utter fabrication dressed up as a “dossier.”

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2019, 08:10:03 am »
False precept. The term "never trumper" is used as if there is some monolithic belief system involved.
Not so.

I understand that to a populist waving the flag of "you're with us or against us", it may appear that way because those folks only see two sides, their side, and everyone else.
SO, let's try to sort that out.
The GOPe didn't like Trump, but thought they 'could make deals with him'. They had already found that doing such with Cruz was less likely. McCain fit in the group, a ring-knocker who followed in his father's wake, and capitalized on his war record. A country-club Republican: GOPe.

Considering Cruz was closer to the TEA party faction's sort of guy (whom the GOPe had already dumped a steaming pile on) the GOPe sided with Trump, however anemically, at least until they started slow walking after the election, which they did to preserve as much status quo as they could. Same ol', same ol' is their bread and butter.

Now, from what I have been able to discern, there are three classes of folks who aren't just gaga over the POTUS: First, those who stuck to their Conservative guns (no, you don't get to hijack the word) and said that Trump was either too far Left, or had been in cahoots with them too long, or just didn't trust populism over principle. They had concerns and when they started getting shouted down in the rightmedia, saw more of the same sort of shoutdown treatment the Left had been offering. Not the way to win hearts and minds, there, and it got a lot of people's back up who figured the only folks who would treat them that way are Leftists and enemies, and walked away.

There was the GOPe faction who are the mushy moderates of the Party, enjoying their status, long on promises, short on delivery, looking to keep it that way.

And then there is that vast assemblage to the undeniable Left of the POTUS, in thought, word, and deed, many of whom were actually Hillary supporters who were shocked that she lost. These include most Democrats, SJW types, Communists, Socialists, and general enemies of the Constitutional Republic.

But to call John McCain the 'admiral' of all three groups is not only disingenuous, but false.
He may have been a hero to the left (he seemed to vote with them enough).
He may have been a card carrying member of the Country Club GOPe.
But he definitely wasn't the standard bearer for the Constitutional Conservatives out there.

Maybe it was just that quip from Trump about 'not being captured' that really ignited Senator McCain's ire, after all, not all deal with low blow personal attacks with the ability to set them aside afterwards for the good of the country.
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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2019, 09:45:53 am »
False precept. The term "never trumper" is used as if there is some monolithic belief system involved.
Not so.
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A profound and sincere post.

From his first day running for president, everything about candidate Trump rankled the politically correct “Establishment.”

Maybe until he beat Hitlery.  Then Trump became the GOP and the GOP became Trump.  Trump is the Admiral of the Never Trump movement.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2019, 09:57:05 am »

Now, from what I have been able to discern, there are three classes of folks who aren't just gaga over the POTUS: First, those who stuck to their Conservative guns (no, you don't get to hijack the word) and said that Trump was either too far Left, or had been in cahoots with them too long, or just didn't trust populism over principle.

Principles without a lick of common sense is a death sentence in politics.  If you can’t understand where the American people are and reach them on their turf, stay out of politics.  And this goes double for “principled conservatives”.   Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms.  He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
   
You call this “populism” and despise it.  Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving.  What they want in return is freedom from an overbearing government, a constitution to mean what it says, a nation state with its sovereignty secure, an uncluttered path to earning whatever wealth they desire, and room for God—even in the public square.

Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it.  You make sense only to yourselves.

I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principles”.  It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger.  If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.


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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2019, 10:01:44 am »
And then there is that vast assemblage to the undeniable Left of the POTUS, in thought, word, and deed, many of whom were actually Hillary supporters who were shocked that she lost. These include most Democrats, SJW types, Communists, Socialists, and general enemies of the Constitutional Republic.

But to call John McCain the 'admiral' of all three groups is not only disingenuous, but false.

This group also includes many conservatives and many republicans --- their desired end of the Trump presidency dovetails with the democrats, socialists and especially the general enemies of a constitutional republic.

John McCain was most certainly an admiral of this, the combined largest group of NeverTrumpers.  John McCain peddled a knowingly false dossier even after the election to bring down a duly elected president of the United States.  And “Country First” McCain did so because he didn’t like him.  Let this sink in.

This 21st century sedition is but chapter one in the legacy of Admiral McCain who served with relentless vigor in the NeverTrump war.   The record will show he fought with the enemy.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2019, 10:05:55 am »
This group also includes many conservatives and many republicans --- their desired end of the Trump presidency dovetails with the democrats, socialists and especially the general enemies of a constitutional republic.

John McCain was most certainly an admiral of this, the combined largest group of NeverTrumpers.  John McCain peddled a knowingly false dossier even after the election to bring down a duly elected president of the United States.  And “Country First” McCain did so because he didn’t like him.  Let this sink in.

This 21st century sedition is but chapter one in the legacy of Admiral McCain who served with relentless vigor in the NeverTrump war.   The record will show he fought with the enemy.
Conserrvatives to the LEFT of POTUS?

Conservative what?   

I think you could look until your eyes shriveled up and fell out of your head, and you won't find a single American Constitutional Conservative to the LEFT of Donald Trump.

Thanks, for playing, dear.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2019, 10:10:55 am »
Principles without a lick of common sense is a death sentence in politics.  If you can’t understand where the American people are and reach them on their turf, stay out of politics.  And this goes double for “principled conservatives”.   Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms.  He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
   
You call this “populism” and despise it.  Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving.  What they want in return is freedom from an overbearing government, a constitution to mean what it says, a nation state with its sovereignty secure, an uncluttered path to earning whatever wealth they desire, and room for God—even in the public square.

Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it.  You make sense only to yourselves.

I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principles”.  It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger.  If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.
Your perception is flawed.

When your 'messenger' acts like a Conservative, he gets praise, when he doesn't he doesn't. Since the standards don't change,   that ball is in his court, and it is that way for anyone.  They are or they aren't.
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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2019, 10:24:17 am »
Your perception is flawed. 

No it's not.  It's not at all.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2019, 10:28:33 am »
Conserrvatives to the LEFT of POTUS?

Conservative what?   

I think you could look until your eyes shriveled up and fell out of your head, and you won't find a single American Constitutional Conservative to the LEFT of Donald Trump.

Thanks, for playing, dear. 

I know it hurts, pumpkin, but "conservatives" are in bed with liberals, socialists, communists in their efforts to derail Donald Trump.  I'd call that to the LEFT of Hugo Chavez. 

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2019, 11:18:33 am »
Principles without a lick of common sense is a death sentence in politics.  If you can’t understand where the American people are and reach them on their turf, stay out of politics.  And this goes double for “principled conservatives”.   Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms.  He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.
   
You call this “populism” and despise it.  Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving.  What they want in return is freedom from an overbearing government, a constitution to mean what it says, a nation state with its sovereignty secure, an uncluttered path to earning whatever wealth they desire, and room for God—even in the public square.

Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it.  You make sense only to yourselves.

I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principles”.  It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger.  If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.

@Right_in_Virginia

That’s a stirring speech, but it isn’t about just that.  It’s about adoration of a public servant.  And it’s  amazing that the tone-deafness among hardcore Trump fans persists to the degree that you still don’t understand how to sell Trump without cultic language like “getting on his train.”   If there’s a train, it’s ours, and Trump needs to be on it.
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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2019, 11:26:05 am »
I remember when Ted Cruz, Dana Loesch, Ben Shapiro, and others were Never Trump.   I don’t remember any of them saying they reported to McCain for orders. 

Gorka and his type just can’t bring themselves to admit that NeverTrump was an individual stance born of free thought & reasoning.  Maybe because he and his fellow hardcores have forgotten all about those concepts.
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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2019, 04:57:22 pm »
yourselves.

I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principles”.  It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger.  If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.

The definition of and principles therein, changes to suit the the mment.


For example:  border wall and illegal immigrants:

--Once upon a time these "principles would rank fforemost,


--Yet today anti-Trumpers dismiss these "principles


Generally vocal "conservatives" now, don't care much about results; just lofty word salads full of rhetoric.


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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2019, 06:25:40 pm »
Observation:

McCain, unwittingly, was one of the parents of the Trump movement, not the leader of the Never Trumpers.
He became so when he nominated Sarah Palin as his running mate in 2008.
Find a female political figure that is most like Trump and you'd be hard-pressed to find one other than Sarah Palin.
Palin did have experience as a governor, yet the MSM and the Establishment GOP, and Dems couldn't wait to take her down.

Sound familiar?

McCain just didn't like Trump, it's that simple.
Ego over results.

Love or hate McCain, and whether McCain liked or realized it or not, he helped with bringing a candidate along on the national stage, who was going in to fight the established norms.
Palin set the stage for Trump, and Palin would not have had that effect if McCain hadn't nominated her.
For all that like to ride them dang old trains, like the Trump train, and that hate McCain, you shouldn't.

Heck, you should thank him.

As far as the conservative argument goes, Trump has lower taxes, lowered regulations, nominated constitutional-minded judges, and moving things in the right direction for our veterans.
Great news.
Yet, the Debt still grows, and now family leave act is probably coming, and Obama-care is not only still in place, it hasn't been revisited.
Still not 100% sure where he stands on the dreamers.
Not so great news.

It's only starting year 3, things could change, hopefully, for the better, as far as conservatism goes, but it's not bad.

There's still work to be done.



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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2019, 06:40:28 pm »
The definition of and principles therein, changes to suit the the mment.


For example:  border wall and illegal immigrants:

--Once upon a time these "principles would rank fforemost,


--Yet today anti-Trumpers dismiss these "principles


Generally vocal "conservatives" now, don't care much about results; just lofty word salads full of rhetoric.

@truth_seeker
Y'all really have no clue what Conservative principles are at all, do you?

The border wall is not a principle, and never has been. Conservatives are unequivocally *for* a border wall, every one, and there is no doubt of that - But it is not a principle thing.

I am beginning to realize why no one will defend Tumpy by and upon Conservative principles... Y'all have no idea what they are, or what it even means.

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2019, 06:58:19 pm »

Y'all really have no clue what Conservative principles are at all, do you?

The border wall is not a principle, and never has been. Conservatives are unequivocally *for* a border wall, every one, and there is no doubt of that - But it is not a principle thing.

I am beginning to realize why no one will defend Tumpy by and upon Conservative principles... Y'all have no idea what they are, or what it even means.

Very true.....

Too me it is somewhere between Cult of Personality Disorder and Jedi Mind Tricks.

And somewhere along the way the time tested true concept of "Words have Consequences" have long fallen by the wayside.
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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2019, 07:07:20 pm »
Donald Trump is introducing a new generation to the principles of conservatism, and he’s doing so in their language; in their living rooms. 

no, @Right_in_Virginia , he is not. No one defends him as a Conservative, because he most certainly is not a Conservative. There is not a single Conservative principle being defended by this administration - Not one.

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He is reawakening a sense of American pride—in the nation, its values, its unlimited potential, independence to carve out one’s own life, and freedom from government interference that have been dormant for far too long.

Strains of nationalism - Useless without principled truth... Mindlessly chanting 'USA' does not serve the purpose before the fact.   

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You call this “populism” and despise it. 

Only because it is despicable.  :shrug:

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Yet, it is downhome populism that gets up at the crack of dawn every day to earn a living, pays the taxes, sends their sons and daughters to fight wars and prays for a nation worth preserving. 

What pap. And remarkably without truth. Populism is nothing of that. Populism is found in Vogue magazine and having the newest iphone. It breathes in style and fashion, and follows every stupid diet fad that comes along. It is, by it's nature, bereft of any principled thing of any kind... Because the 'in' thing is never principled, and always shallow.

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Yet principled conservatives recoil at this, and the people who live it.  You make sense only to yourselves.

I am losing respect for those who virtue signal conservative “principles”.  It’s turning out it’s not really about principles, but the messenger.  If you truly wanted to bring conservatism to life in the 21st Century you’d be on the Trump train, as repugnant as the accommodations may be to you.

RIIIIGHT. Finally an admission: To y'all it's ALL about the messenger, ain't it?

That's what true Conservatives recoil from. That is the repugnance of populism. Vapid undying loyalty to dear leader is ALWAYS repugnant to principled people.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2019, 07:30:44 pm »
Your perception is flawed.

When your 'messenger' acts like a Conservative, he gets praise, when he doesn't he doesn't. Since the standards don't change,   that ball is in his court, and it is that way for anyone.  They are or they aren't.

That's right.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2019, 08:51:21 pm »
@truth_seeker
Y'all really have no clue what Conservative principles are at all, do you?


That strikes me as a challenge to play the "conservative virtue signaling " game.

Is that found with the "mirror on the wall, who is the fairest conservative of them all?" game

I am the simple grandson of a Wyoming cowboy. He left home at age 14, too many mouths to feed in his parents' immigrant household.

I am also the grandson of a woman college  biology professor in the 1920s.

Results Impress. Word salad not so much.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2019, 09:06:45 pm »
That strikes me as a challenge to play the "conservative virtue signaling " game.


As I thought.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2019, 09:14:16 pm »
As I thought.

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When only your brand of Conservatism is 'authentic', you disparage countless good people.

...which I'm sure is never your intent.

Nevertheless, you're the Briefer 'Admiral'.   :laugh:
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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2019, 09:15:10 pm »
American Conservatism is, by definition, a confederation of three, or arguably four, factions.
The principles of conservatism are the immovable priorities that those factions will not compromise.

Those principled things, when remaining uncompromised is where unity is found, and not in any other way.
To blindly disdain those principled things is to promote disunity, wherein the various factions divide and remove themselves from the equation.

There is your 'virtue signalling', and why your movement unties rather than unites.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2019, 09:18:53 pm »
@truth_seeker
Y'all really have no clue what Conservative principles are at all, do you?

The border wall is not a principle, and never has been. Conservatives are unequivocally *for* a border wall, every one, and there is no doubt of that - But it is not a principle thing.

I am beginning to realize why no one will defend Tumpy by and upon Conservative principles... Y'all have no idea what they are, or what it even means.

QFT...

Principles like an old pair of jogging pants, stretch to fit just about anything (and everything).
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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2019, 09:20:59 pm »
@roamer_1

When only your brand of Conservatism is 'authentic', you disparage countless good people.

...which I'm sure is never your intent.

Nevertheless, you're the Briefer 'Admiral'.   :laugh:

Completely inaccurate, @DCPatriot there are only two kinds of American Conservatism by definition.

Goldwater and Reagan, with the difference between them being the addition of the social conservatives with Reagan.

There is no other American Conservatism at all.

I don't know what y'all are chasing, and I don't really care - What I do care about is when it is called conservatism, because it ain't.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2019, 09:26:24 pm »
QFT...

Principles like an old pair of jogging pants, stretch to fit just about anything (and everything).

That is always the purpose of those who would redefine it. This is no different.

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Re: John McCain Was the Admiral of the Never Trump Movement
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2019, 09:43:46 pm »
Completely inaccurate, @DCPatriot there are only two kinds of American Conservatism by definition.

Goldwater and Reagan, with the difference between them being the addition of the social conservatives with Reagan.

There is no other American Conservatism at all.

I don't know what y'all are chasing, and I don't really care - What I do care about is when it is called conservatism, because it ain't.

When the 'patient' is your child of three years that's one thing.  When they are grown adults with personality disorders...say, not being 'Conservative' enough..or not at all, what is your treatment, 'Doctor'?

Staying home on election day with a big 'Eff You'?   "...not my monkeys, not my circus"?


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"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

"Journalism is about covering the news.  With a pillow.  Until it stops moving."    - David Burge (Iowahawk)

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