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Title: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 01, 2017, 02:53:56 am
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Republicans got a leader who is impatient and easily distracted -- by cable news on the Russian scandal or by Arnold Schwarzenegger's TV ratings. The content and consequences of his tweets are bad enough; worse is the disordered personality traits they reveal -- vindictiveness, shallowness and lack of discipline. Trump spent a total of 18 days on his health care bill before demanding a vote. And he made no speech to the nation to advance his ideas -- as every other recent president would have done.

Republicans got an administration that is incompetent. The White House policy process has been erratic and disorganized. It has failed to provide expert analysis and assistance to Congress and did little to effectively advocate the president's policy in ways that unite the party.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/03/31/this_presidency_is_failing_--_and_stunningly_133481.html
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: LMAO on April 01, 2017, 05:34:39 am
Some of Trump's difficulties come from the fact that he is not a professional politician. he has never held a public office before.

Some of it comes from the fact on who he is
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 01, 2017, 05:37:20 am
The admin's start has been a little rough, but nowhere near this writer's hyperventilation.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Applewood on April 01, 2017, 06:41:28 am
The admin's start has been a little rough, but nowhere near this writer's hyperventilation.

Ok, so Trump has had a rocky start.  I suppose other presidents have had difficulties in their administration's too.  The problem is that Trump has not and will not learn from his mistakes. Hell, he won't even admit he has made mistakes. If he could stop being boss for a moment and try working with people, he might get things done.  Instead he is going to continue being the bully -- then when people balk at being ordered around and he can't get things done, he's going to find someone to blame.  That behavior is not going to help him advance his agenda.  Trump is going to fail.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 01, 2017, 08:28:33 am
Ok, so Trump has had a rocky start.  I suppose other presidents have had difficulties in their administration's too.  The problem is that Trump has not and will not learn from his mistakes. Hell, he won't even admit he has made mistakes. If he could stop being boss for a moment and try working with people, he might get things done.  Instead he is going to continue being the bully -- then when people balk at being ordered around and he can't get things done, he's going to find someone to blame.  That behavior is not going to help him advance his agenda.  Trump is going to fail.

Yeah, agreed. Other admins have had rocky starts too but I don't remember anything this bad. Plus with other Presidents I think they might be humble enough to learn from their mistakes, but I just don't see Trump doing that. Hence it will only get worse IMO.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2017, 08:46:56 am
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Michael Gerson

He helped write George W. Bush's controversial second inaugural address that called for neo-conservative intervention and nation building around the world to effect the spread of democracy to third world countries.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gerson
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Gerson, a neo-conservative, has repeatedly criticized other conservatives in his column and conservatives have returned the favor. One of Gerson's first columns was entitled "Letting Fear Rule", in which he compared skeptics of President Bush's immigration reform bill to nativist bigots of the 1880s.[22]

At a conference at the Atlantic Ideas Fest, Gerson said that Saddam Hussein was "comparable to Pol Pot", which brought jeers from the audience.[23]

Nice to know about whom one is reading.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: kevindavis007 on April 01, 2017, 02:38:11 pm
Way to early.. Let's see how are things by late 2019 - early 2020..
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: endicom on April 01, 2017, 02:52:30 pm
Nice to know about whom one is reading.


Yup. Gerson is Bureaucracy Boy.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bolobaby on April 01, 2017, 02:55:32 pm
Ten weeks in. If it was Obama, he would have been given the Nobel Peace Prize by now, right?

Give me a break. I believe Trump horribly fumbled the healthcare issue - and continues to give up yards by refusing to listen to conservatives - but ten weeks is a little early for this kind of analysis.

Now, if Mr. Master Negotiator sits down with the Freedom Caucus and adopts the Cruz plan for healthcare, PLUS tort reform, PLUS transparent pricing, it will have all turned around.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: skeeter on April 01, 2017, 02:58:54 pm
Some of Trump's difficulties come from the fact that he is not a professional politician. he has never held a public office before.

Some of it comes from the fact on who he is

And alot of it comes from the script the establishment progressives had written before Trump was inaugurated.

I do wish he'd stop with the self inflicted wounds, though.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Victoria33 on April 01, 2017, 03:07:41 pm
I saw him speak yesterday, close up views of his face and he looked pale and had trouble speaking.  There was no spark there as in the past.  He seemed to be worn out.  Maybe that was a passing moment or maybe not.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 01, 2017, 03:13:32 pm
Yeah, agreed. Other admins have had rocky starts too but I don't remember anything this bad. Plus with other Presidents I think they might be humble enough to learn from their mistakes, but I just don't see Trump doing that. Hence it will only get worse IMO.

At least.... you 'hope' it will.  Right?
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Cripplecreek on April 01, 2017, 03:21:00 pm
Its who he is and its not going to change or get better. It will get worse.

We were told how he would begin to act presidential once he had the nomination in hand. He didn't. We were told he would act presidential once he gets into office. He didn't. Now I'm hearing that we've got to give him 6 months or a year and he'll settle into acting presidential. Its not going to happen. He's the same  tabloid TV celebrity he was in the 1980s and he isn't going to change.

Frankly I expect him to either resign or switch parties while blaming everybody else. Which route he chooses is entirely dependent on which will garner the most attention.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: TomSea on April 01, 2017, 03:37:35 pm
Its who he is and its not going to change or get better. It will get worse.

We were told how he would begin to act presidential once he had the nomination in hand. He didn't. We were told he would act presidential once he gets into office. He didn't. Now I'm hearing that we've got to give him 6 months or a year and he'll settle into acting presidential. Its not going to happen. He's the same  tabloid TV celebrity he was in the 1980s and he isn't going to change.

Frankly I expect him to either resign or switch parties while blaming everybody else. Which route he chooses is entirely dependent on which will garner the most attention.

 88finger point
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 01, 2017, 04:02:47 pm
At least.... you 'hope' it will.  Right?

No, I don't. I'd be delighted if he stopped the impulsive self-destruction.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 01, 2017, 04:38:26 pm
That article is a leftist hit piece.

As I was reading, I was thinking "sure, Trump's a tool, but what about some of the substantive things he's done, like Gorsuch, executive orders, cabinet picks, etc.?"  Then I got to the money quote, and the purpose behind the whole article became clear:

"Republicans got an administration that is morally small. Trump's proposed budget would require massive cuts in disease research, global development and agricultural programs -- just as a famine gathers a hideous strength. The proposed budget practices random acts of gratuitous cruelty.

The writer hates Trump because he's trying to do some conservative things, like cut the budget, that the writer doesn't like.  This isn't constructive criticism to help him work better with other Republicans.  The author is trying to weaken Trump politically and chop him off at the knees so he can't get any of it accomplished.   And that's been a common tactic by the entire left since the election.  Try to prevent anything of substance from being accomplished by ceaselessly attacking him every chance they get, under the façade of giving helpful advice in good faith.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: endicom on April 01, 2017, 04:45:39 pm
That article is a leftist hit piece.



The OP is a troll.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: massadvj on April 01, 2017, 04:47:38 pm
That article is a leftist hit piece.

As I was reading, I was thinking "sure, Trump's a tool, but what about some of the substantive things he's done, like Gorsuch, executive orders, cabinet picks, etc.?"  Then I got to the money quote, and the purpose behind the whole article became clear:

"Republicans got an administration that is morally small. Trump's proposed budget would require massive cuts in disease research, global development and agricultural programs -- just as a famine gathers a hideous strength. The proposed budget practices random acts of gratuitous cruelty.

The writer hates Trump because he's trying to do some conservative things, like cut the budget, that the writer doesn't like.  This isn't constructive criticism to help him work better with other Republicans.  The author is trying to weaken Trump politically and chop him off at the knees so he can't get any of it accomplished.   And that's been a common tactic by the entire left since the election.  Try to prevent anything of substance from being accomplished by ceaselessly attacking him every chance they get, under of façade of trying to be "helpful".

I do think Trump is getting a lot more of substance done than anyone in the media is willing to acknowledge.  That said, he is also failing to inspire the nation, and his popularity is too low for him to have the political clout to effectuate change in congress.

This presidency is looking more and more like a "Jesse Ventura" presidency.  That is something the USA cannot afford.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: DCPatriot on April 01, 2017, 04:53:24 pm
Some of Trump's difficulties come from the fact that he is not a professional politician. he has never held a public office before.

Some of it comes from the fact on who he is

 :beer:   Could not have stated that better myself! 
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: DCPatriot on April 01, 2017, 04:58:16 pm
Nice to know about whom one is reading.

Thanks for posting that info, @TomSea   

While they're gnashing their teeth, he will go down in history as being one of the very great successes for America and its People.   

A true Warrior!
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 01, 2017, 05:27:52 pm

The OP is a troll.

I don't always agree with WTF, but he's not a troll
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 01, 2017, 05:31:22 pm
It's ironic.  The idiot left pressholes attack, fabricate fake news, harass and report 'with extreme bias' every move Trump makes and every syllable uttered from his mouth for the past ten weeks....  and then they come out with this steaming pile of...er... uh...observation.  Well..... duh.

Nice that the idiot left always manages to state the effing obvious, after the fact, re: something that they, themselves, are partially (mostly) responsible for.  Trump has been put under an ultra-biased microscope for those past ten weeks.  The ONLY thing he has failed America on is the Ryancare debacle.  Yet still they bleat....

And for the record.... even  in  total disarray and disunity.... GOP rule is still 100 (more like a zillion) times better than the damned Democratic Party's ""governing"".... which essentially equates to ramming their radical, leftist policies down every American's throats in true olde Soviet Russia tyranny-style.  Leftists want mob rule as with Obama and under a Clinton presidency, they would have continued to have it.  No, I'm not talking about the mob that represents throngs of people.  I'm talking about the DC mafia-style entitlement-pimp elitists.   

So stuff it, lefties.  You can't do any better. You haven't done any better.  Not that you would ever acknowledge or admit that.  The only thing you do differently is march is lock-step when it comes to furthering your leftist goals AGAINST the will of most Americans.  To more of that I say... not just no...

but HELL no.

Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 01, 2017, 06:12:21 pm
Some of Trump's difficulties come from the fact that he is not a professional politician. he has never held a public office before.

Some of it comes from the fact on who he is

Some of Trump's difficulties come from the fact that he didn't know (and perhaps is still learning) the functionality of government; nor did it sink in before he took office that running a government is different than running a business.  Some of his difficulties are self-inflicted; his tweets and rants certainly don't help.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Gefn on April 01, 2017, 06:14:19 pm
I saw him speak yesterday, close up views of his face and he looked pale and had trouble speaking.  There was no spark there as in the past.  He seemed to be worn out.  Maybe that was a passing moment or maybe not.

With all due respect, this election cycle gave us two miserable choices. I don't understand with 7 billion people in the world we could not come up with two decent choices?

Sigh.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 01, 2017, 06:15:11 pm
I don't always agree with WTF, but he's not a troll

Thank you bill.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 06:22:16 pm
The admin's start has been a little rough, but nowhere near this writer's hyperventilation.

Total Amen to that.

The President has had only two major setbacks.  One is the ill-conceived health care bill and that is big but not fatal as it can always be presented again in a better package.

And the second is not really important if put in perspective.  It is Trump's tweeting.

On the plus side, everyone in America finds out what Trump is thinking as soon as the New York Times and Barney Frank does.

On the minus side, the tweets occur when Trump is at his low point ... in the wee hours after restless sleep.

On the plus side, the most vilified and laughed at tweet (about Obama spying on him) is now proving to be true.  Yay.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 01, 2017, 06:22:35 pm
It's ironic.  The idiot left pressholes attack, fabricate fake news, harass and report 'with extreme bias' every move Trump makes and every syllable uttered from his mouth for the past ten weeks....  and then they come out with this steaming pile of...er... uh...observation.  Well..... duh.

Nice that the idiot left always manages to state the effing obvious, after the fact, re: something that they, themselves, are partially (mostly) responsible for.  Trump has been put under an ultra-biased microscope for those past ten weeks.  The ONLY thing he has failed America on is the Ryancare debacle.  Yet still they bleat....

And for the record.... even  in  total disarray and disunity.... GOP rule is still 100 (more like a zillion) times better than the damned Democratic Party's ""governing"".... which essentially equates to ramming their radical, leftist policies down every American's throats in true olde Soviet Russia tyranny-style.  Leftists want mob rule as with Obama and under a Clinton presidency, they would have continued to have it.  No, I'm not talking about the mob that represents throngs of people.  I'm talking about the DC mafia-style entitlement-pimp elitists.   

So stuff it, lefties.  You can't do any better. You haven't done any better.  Not that you would ever acknowledge or admit that.  The only thing you do differently is march is lock-step when it comes to furthering your leftist goals AGAINST the will of most Americans.  To more of that I say... not just no...

but HELL no.

The leftist agenda is being continued with all the RINO's in Congress/Senate who have vowed to take down this President.  This is something that Trump himself knew before he took office, this is something that many of us tried to explain to his supporters in the primary. He is being quite foolish if he thinks he can trust the likes of Ryan or McConnell and he is a fool to think that the Freedom Caucus is what's standing in his way. He is a fool to try to appease the establishment; that's not what got him elected.

You stated that Bammycare is the only thing that he has failed on ... well, the reality of the matter is the funding for the wall has been delayed. IF it isn't in the budget this year and doesn't make the budget next year during an election year and we don't retain the majority or if our majority is significantly reduced, you can pretty much conclude that the wall may not be.  His attempt to ban immigrants from certain areas is still being fought. Gorsuch's nomination is not guaranteed.

Those are the big issues; the very issues that got him elected and so far, he really hasn't been able to come through on any of them.  Granted its early in the game, but so far unfortunately, it's a game he seems to be losing and losing bigly.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 06:27:08 pm
Its who he is and its not going to change or get better. It will get worse.

We were told how he would begin to act presidential once he had the nomination in hand. He didn't. We were told he would act presidential once he gets into office. He didn't. Now I'm hearing that we've got to give him 6 months or a year and he'll settle into acting presidential. Its not going to happen. He's the same  tabloid TV celebrity he was in the 1980s and he isn't going to change.

Frankly I expect him to either resign or switch parties while blaming everybody else. Which route he chooses is entirely dependent on which will garner the most attention.

We were told.  I don't know who you've been listening to but no one I know expected Trump to change as President.

But he has.  He has been much better than I expected.  He's made some mistakes but he's done many good things.  He's stayed at the White House most nights.

He's fighting against all the democrats and half the Republicans and 2/3 of the people in TBR.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 01, 2017, 06:43:03 pm
We were told.  I don't know who you've been listening to but no one I know expected Trump to change as President.

But he has.  He has been much better than I expected.  He's made some mistakes but he's done many good things.  He's stayed at the White House most nights.

He's fighting against all the democrats and half the Republicans and 2/3 of the people in TBR.

Because he has stayed at the White House most nights, we're supposed to see that as a bonus?  Last time I checked, he should be staying at the White House. 

You are 100% correct, he's fighting against the DEMS and 1/2 the PUBS and 2/3 of the people in here and he needs to be given credit for that.  The fight isn't over by any means and I'm not so sure that if someone else had won the DEMS would have calmed after their loss.  One thing is for sure though, if he thinks he can become part of the swamp in order to advance his agenda, he will fail.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 06:43:05 pm
The leftist agenda is being continued with all the RINO's in Congress/Senate who have vowed to take down this President.  This is something that Trump himself knew before he took office, this is something that many of us tried to explain to his supporters in the primary. He is being quite foolish if he thinks he can trust the likes of Ryan or McConnell and he is a fool to think that the Freedom Caucus is what's standing in his way. He is a fool to try to appease the establishment; that's not what got him elected.

You stated that Bammycare is the only thing that he has failed on ... well, the reality of the matter is the funding for the wall has been delayed. IF it isn't in the budget this year and doesn't make the budget next year during an election year and we don't retain the majority or if our majority is significantly reduced, you can pretty much conclude that the wall may not be.  His attempt to ban immigrants from certain areas is still being fought. Gorsuch's nomination is not guaranteed.

Those are the big issues; the very issues that got him elected and so far, he really hasn't been able to come through on any of them.  Granted its early in the game, but so far unfortunately, it's a game he seems to be losing and losing bigly.

The reality of the matter is that @XenaLee is exactly right.

I am sure that YOU could do much better but what everyone has forgotten is that a few months ago we were doomed to a continuation of Obama with Hillary.

What would you have whined about then?  Oh, my.

As I see it, Trump has done pretty well, far better than I expected and his one big failure can be rectified.  I don't pay any attention to the temper tantrums after the defeat...  they are certainly not as bad as the temper tantrums I see here from people who expected him to part the Red Sea in his first week in office.

He has had successes.  I could name them but you're not interested.  Much more fun to damn him and blame him.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: EC on April 01, 2017, 06:45:37 pm
I don't always agree with WTF, but he's not a troll

Frequently a pain in the ass, but agree, not a troll.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: geronl on April 01, 2017, 06:54:30 pm
Trump itinerary for today

Saturday, 8AM, Mar'a'Lago- Taco Bowl Breakfast
Saturday, 9AM, Mar'a'Lago- Spray tanning
Saturday, 10AM, Mar'a'Lago- Golf with PRC leader
Saturday, noon, Mar'a'Lago- Have Melania massage my feet
...etc etc
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 01, 2017, 07:41:44 pm
The leftist agenda is being continued with all the RINO's in Congress/Senate who have vowed to take down this President.  This is something that Trump himself knew before he took office, this is something that many of us tried to explain to his supporters in the primary. He is being quite foolish if he thinks he can trust the likes of Ryan or McConnell and he is a fool to think that the Freedom Caucus is what's standing in his way. He is a fool to try to appease the establishment; that's not what got him elected.

You stated that Bammycare is the only thing that he has failed on ... well, the reality of the matter is the funding for the wall has been delayed. IF it isn't in the budget this year and doesn't make the budget next year during an election year and we don't retain the majority or if our majority is significantly reduced, you can pretty much conclude that the wall may not be.  His attempt to ban immigrants from certain areas is still being fought. Gorsuch's nomination is not guaranteed.

Those are the big issues; the very issues that got him elected and so far, he really hasn't been able to come through on any of them.  Granted its early in the game, but so far unfortunately, it's a game he seems to be losing and losing bigly.

I don't give a damn about the wall right now.  Border enforcement is more than that.  It's enforcing the damn laws already on the books for a refreshing change.... unlike what the previous administration did.  The construction of a wall is going to take time anyway.  It's not like one can, even with funding, be put up overnight.

Trump's attempt to keep radical terrorists out of this country, which is being thwarted by some ahole rogue leftist judges, is of primary importance to me.  Even repealing Obamacare is secondary to that.... because if the terrorists succeed in hitting us hard... like with nukes (they only have to be right once, we have to be right all the time).... all other issues will be moot as we struggle for our very survival.

The perception of Trump "losing and losing bigly" is being perpetrated and pushed by the idiot left.  I don't listen to them....evah.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 01, 2017, 07:43:03 pm
Trump itinerary for today

Saturday, 8AM, Mar'a'Lago- Taco Bowl Breakfast
Saturday, 9AM, Mar'a'Lago- Spray tanning
Saturday, 10AM, Mar'a'Lago- Golf with PRC leader
Saturday, noon, Mar'a'Lago- Have Melania massage my feet
...etc etc

Dammit.

Now I'm craving tacos.

Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: rodamala on April 01, 2017, 08:05:01 pm
Way to early.. Let's see how are things by late 2019 - early 2020..

READ AS: "Let's wait and see how much this New York liberal douchebag can accomplish after the Democrats take over the House and the Senate."
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: rodamala on April 01, 2017, 08:09:30 pm
He's fighting against all the democrats and half the Republicans and 2/3 of the people in TBR.

Coincidentally, 2/3 of the people on TBR are disgusted Conservatives that left or were booted by the Trump Davidians at TOS.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 01, 2017, 08:12:09 pm
He's fighting against all the democrats and half the Republicans and 2/3 of the people in TBR.

@Emjay

He's fighting conservatives and wants to make deals with the Democrats, not only on healthcare, but on tax reform. too.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 08:18:54 pm
I don't give a damn about the wall right now.  Border enforcement is more than that.  It's enforcing the damn laws already on the books for a refreshing change.... unlike what the previous administration did.  The construction of a wall is going to take time anyway.  It's not like one can, even with funding, be put up overnight.

Trump's attempt to keep radical terrorists out of this country, which is being thwarted by some ahole rogue leftist judges, is of primary importance to me.  Even repealing Obamacare is secondary to that.... because if the terrorists succeed in hitting us hard... like with nukes (they only have to be right once, we have to be right all the time).... all other issues will be moot as we struggle for our very survival.

The perception of Trump "losing and losing bigly" is being perpetrated and pushed by the idiot left.  I don't listen to them....evah.

He is also fighting hard against sanctuary cities.  Cities which break the law daily by refusing to deport illegal aliens who commit crimes.  In fact, they protect them.

Now, these sanctuary places are whiiiining because the feds cutting their funds will cripple their law enforcement ability.  Yeah, right, why aren't they being laughed out of town.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 08:19:43 pm
@Emjay

He's fighting conservatives and wants to make deals with the Democrats, not only on healthcare, but on tax reform. too.

I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion and some people are entitled to multiple opinions.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 08:20:36 pm
@Emjay

He's fighting conservatives and wants to make deals with the Democrats, not only on healthcare, but on tax reform. too.

Let me know when Trump actually makes a deal with the democrats.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 01, 2017, 08:22:06 pm
He is also fighting hard against sanctuary cities.  Cities which break the law daily by refusing to deport illegal aliens who commit crimes.  In fact, they protect them.

Now, these sanctuary places are whiiiining because the feds cutting their funds will cripple their law enforcement ability.  Yeah, right, why aren't they being laughed out of town.

The majority of Americans do not want 'sanctuary cities'.... which translates to 'cities that encourage law-breakers to dwell'.  Cry me a river for them and those that push that agenda.  They, the leftists, are (as usual) trying to rule against the will of the people.  Screw em.  Throw the book at them when they break the law.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 08:23:02 pm
READ AS: "Let's wait and see how much this New York liberal douchebag can accomplish after the Democrats take over the House and the Senate."

You sound like you can't wait for the dems to take over Congress.

You and many others here sound more like dems than conservatives .... all because of your hatred of Donald Trump.

How about getting over it for a few months and giving him a chance?

Or are you just having way too much fun?
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 08:25:07 pm
Dammit.

Now I'm craving tacos.

Thanks a lot.

Sandra brought me tacos last night.  Sadly enough, Tacos do not keep well so my plan to have one today didn't work.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 01, 2017, 08:25:24 pm
I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion and some people are entitled to multiple opinions.

@Emjay

Seriously?  You think that's my opinion?

Wow.  No wonder you manage to maintain the fantasy about Trump.  You block everything out.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 08:29:56 pm
The leftist agenda is being continued with all the RINO's in Congress/Senate who have vowed to take down this President.  This is something that Trump himself knew before he took office, this is something that many of us tried to explain to his supporters in the primary. He is being quite foolish if he thinks he can trust the likes of Ryan or McConnell and he is a fool to think that the Freedom Caucus is what's standing in his way. He is a fool to try to appease the establishment; that's not what got him elected.

You stated that Bammycare is the only thing that he has failed on ... well, the reality of the matter is the funding for the wall has been delayed. IF it isn't in the budget this year and doesn't make the budget next year during an election year and we don't retain the majority or if our majority is significantly reduced, you can pretty much conclude that the wall may not be.  His attempt to ban immigrants from certain areas is still being fought. Gorsuch's nomination is not guaranteed.

Those are the big issues; the very issues that got him elected and so far, he really hasn't been able to come through on any of them.  Granted its early in the game, but so far unfortunately, it's a game he seems to be losing and losing bigly.

Thank you for revealing a total lack of understanding of government.  And you tried to tell us stuff during the primary.

We may not get a wall tomorrow ... unless it's around Obama's little white house compound ... but Trump is working hard to stop illegals from certain countries from coming in ... and Obama flew (in somebody's jet) to Hawaii to put the screws on a judge here to rule against this law.  I guess that's Trump's fault also.

In the meantime, he is giving ICE and border agents the power to actually do their jobs and fighting sanctuary cities.

I am sorry Trump didn't come to your house and explain this to you.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 01, 2017, 08:32:31 pm
Sandra brought me tacos last night.  Sadly enough, Tacos do not keep well so my plan to have one today didn't work.

I love tex-mex.  I add a container of Jalapeno Bean Dip to the meat for flavor and texture (the meat mixture sticks together that way).  I then use the mixture for tacos and for nachos.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: geronl on April 01, 2017, 08:40:32 pm

You and many others here sound more like dems than conservatives .... all because of your hatred of Donald Trump.


Trump said of conservatives: "We must fight them!"
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 08:41:21 pm
@Emjay

Seriously?  You think that's my opinion?

Wow.  No wonder you manage to maintain the fantasy about Trump.  You block everything out.

Thanks for explaining that to me.  I was wondering how I managed to maintain my fantasy about Trump.

I thought maybe it was because I am watching what he actually does and not concentrating on his little personality things that grate on the fine minds and sensibilities of some here.

But, I'm sure you're right.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bolobaby on April 01, 2017, 09:09:15 pm
88finger point

Great argument on the merits, @TomSea !

Just what I would expect from a Trumpette!
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bolobaby on April 01, 2017, 09:11:11 pm
Thanks for posting that info, @TomSea   

While they're gnashing their teeth, he will go down in history as being one of the very great successes for America and its People.   

A true Warrior!

Wait... should I post one of those laughy face responses that TomSea thinks is reasonable debate?

It seems fitting to this ridiculous, sycophantic response.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bilo on April 01, 2017, 09:11:50 pm
Ten weeks in. If it was Obama, he would have been given the Nobel Peace Prize by now, right?

Give me a break. I believe Trump horribly fumbled the healthcare issue - and continues to give up yards by refusing to listen to conservatives - but ten weeks is a little early for this kind of analysis.

Now, if Mr. Master Negotiator sits down with the Freedom Caucus and adopts the Cruz plan for healthcare, PLUS tort reform, PLUS transparent pricing, it will have all turned around.

Do you think there is any chance of that?

I don't.

It's very discouraging how Pres. Trump has instead decided the way to go is to embrace the DC establishment and attack conservatives. At least we got a good SCOTUS nominee and some regulations cut.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bolobaby on April 01, 2017, 09:16:54 pm
Do you think there is any chance of that?

I don't.

It's very discouraging how Pres. Trump has instead decided the way to go is to embrace the DC establishment and attack conservatives. At least we got a good SCOTUS nominee and some regulations cut.

@bilo

You know, what I posted COULD happen.

All we would need is for the Trump apologists to stop being such sycophants, start thinking like conservatives again, and start demanding real healthcare reform.

The problem is, these Trump apologists have forgotten what they stand for EXCEPT Trump.

I hold out hope that Trump can still become the hero they want him to be by actually talking to the Freedom Caucus and hearing their ideas. The FC's ideas are 10x better than the syphilated abortion of a bill that Ryan proposed.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 01, 2017, 09:18:14 pm
Michael Gerson is a hack who pushed like hell for Bush to be an interventionist war monger. Now that was a failed Presidency. 
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: DCPatriot on April 01, 2017, 09:21:52 pm
Wait... should I post one of those laughy face responses that TomSea thinks is reasonable debate?

It seems fitting to this ridiculous, sycophantic response.

LOL!

Frankly, 'baby'....I don't give a damn! 

Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bolobaby on April 01, 2017, 09:30:36 pm
LOL!

Frankly, 'baby'....I don't give a damn! 


 :yawn2:
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bilo on April 01, 2017, 09:31:28 pm
@bilo

You know, what I posted COULD happen.

All we would need is for the Trump apologists to stop being such sycophants, start thinking like conservatives again, and start demanding real healthcare reform.

The problem is, these Trump apologists have forgotten what they stand for EXCEPT Trump.

I hold out hope that Trump can still become the hero they want him to be by actually talking to the Freedom Caucus and hearing their ideas. The FC's ideas are 10x better than the syphilated abortion of a bill that Ryan proposed.

I never give up hoping, but I'm also a realist. I think Pres. Trump is inclined to believe in govt run solutions and it's just a matter of govt being run well. As obamacare collapses I think he will embrace the left's answer for everything more govt involvement. We will end up with single payer for all people who aren't part of a group policy.

I am dubious about Pres. Trump getting any real Tax Reform done. He will get some cuts but not much else unless adding a new border adjustment tax on imports is considered a reform.

We don't see any coverage of it, but Pres. Trump has already started backtracking on immigration. He's continued the "dreamer" executive actions of obama and now he's running into trouble on building the wall.

 
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 10:14:44 pm
I never give up hoping, but I'm also a realist. I think Pres. Trump is inclined to believe in govt run solutions and it's just a matter of govt being run well. As obamacare collapses I think he will embrace the left's answer for everything more govt involvement. We will end up with single payer for all people who aren't part of a group policy.

I am dubious about Pres. Trump getting any real Tax Reform done. He will get some cuts but not much else unless adding a new border adjustment tax on imports is considered a reform.

We don't see any coverage of it, but Pres. Trump has already started backtracking on immigration. He's continued the "dreamer" executive actions of obama and now he's running into trouble on building the wall.

Aren't you just the cute little optimist.  You know, Reagan didn't get a lot of his agenda passed until his second term, don't you.

So if you don't see any coverage of Trump backtracking on immigration, did you dream it, or what?
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 01, 2017, 10:24:13 pm
The reality of the matter is that @XenaLee is exactly right.

I am sure that YOU could do much better but what everyone has forgotten is that a few months ago we were doomed to a continuation of Obama with Hillary.

What would you have whined about then?  Oh, my.

As I see it, Trump has done pretty well, far better than I expected and his one big failure can be rectified.  I don't pay any attention to the temper tantrums after the defeat...  they are certainly not as bad as the temper tantrums I see here from people who expected him to part the Red Sea in his first week in office.

He has had successes.  I could name them but you're not interested.  Much more fun to damn him and blame him.

Emjay, please don't put words into my mouth.  I'm calling it as I see it.  Granted I have never been a Trump supporter, but I have several times posted that I gave him a clean slate, admired his inauguration festivities and admonished others for being so harsh of him.  Reality is; Bammycare is still in existence, his Muslim ban is stalled, funding for the wall has been delayed and Gorsuch has yet to be seated on the bench; there is no guarantee of votes only the promise of a nuke option which may or may not go through. Regardles of what hurdles Trump is encountering or what he does moving forward, those are thee main issues that people voted for him on.  He fails on these and we can kiss our majority good-bye.  That's not being critical, or laying blame, or denying success in other areas, that's reality.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 01, 2017, 10:41:05 pm
Emjay, please don't put words into my mouth.  I'm calling it as I see it.  Granted I have never been a Trump supporter, but I have several times posted that I gave him a clean slate, admired his inauguration festivities and admonished others for being so harsh of him.  Reality is; Bammycare is still in existence, his Muslim ban is stalled, funding for the wall has been delayed and Gorsuch has yet to be seated on the bench; there is no guarantee of votes only the promise of a nuke option which may or may not go through. Regardles of what hurdles Trump is encountering or what he does moving forward, those are thee main issues that people voted for him on.  He fails on these and we can kiss our majority good-bye.  That's not being critical, or laying blame, or denying success in other areas, that's reality.

That's your reality born of a basic distrust of Trump, although you claim you have given him a chance.

You haven't.

Ten weeks is not a chance.  The Muslim ban was delayed because of dem judges and a personal flight by Obama to Hawaii to strong arm a judge friend to rule against the ban.  It will be passed eventually.

Do you have any knowledge of how long it usually takes to get a Supreme Court nominee confirmed?  Didn't think so.  Instead of giving Trump props for nominating a genuinely fine  candidate, you are whining because of the process.

When did you expect the wall to go up?  Do you have any idea of how ridiculous that is.  The truth is a lot of contractors have put in bids to build the wall.  We are not talking about putting together a Barbie Dream House.

The difference between us (besides that I live in reality) is that you want Trump to fail and I don't.

I don't think it is in the best interest of conservatives or Republicans for our current president to fail and I don't understand the mindset of people who do.

Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 01, 2017, 11:08:32 pm
With all due respect, this election cycle gave us two miserable choices. I don't understand with 7 billion people in the world we could not come up with two decent choices?

Sigh.

Agreed we wound up with two miserable choices.  In all fairness, Trump has attempted to do what he said he was going to do; the DEMS and RINO's in Congress are bucking him every step of the way.  With a GOP majority all the way around, he should have been able to waltz right in and get things done. I think in part his lack of experience has really hampered his ability to move things forward. 
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: truth_seeker on April 01, 2017, 11:27:47 pm
How many derogatory names are there for Trump supporters?

Trumpists, Trumpettes, Trump Davidians, Trump apologists, fascist, Hitler and the list goes on and on. Thread after thread.

So I hereby dub the anti-Trump posters here as "nnnnny's" standing for "nanrob's nattering nevertrump nabods of negativity."

No wonder they get kicked off from other sites. Can't get along with anybody not sharing your opinions, can't discuss matters with civility.

Negative and nasty are the defining qualities characteristics.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 01, 2017, 11:49:53 pm
That's your reality born of a basic distrust of Trump, although you claim you have given him a chance.

You haven't.

Ten weeks is not a chance.  The Muslim ban was delayed because of dem judges and a personal flight by Obama to Hawaii to strong arm a judge friend to rule against the ban.  It will be passed eventually.

Do you have any knowledge of how long it usually takes to get a Supreme Court nominee confirmed?  Didn't think so.  Instead of giving Trump props for nominating a genuinely fine  candidate, you are whining because of the process.

When did you expect the wall to go up?  Do you have any idea of how ridiculous that is.  The truth is a lot of contractors have put in bids to build the wall.  We are not talking about putting together a Barbie Dream House.

The difference between us (besides that I live in reality) is that you want Trump to fail and I don't.

I don't think it is in the best interest of conservatives or Republicans for our current president to fail and I don't understand the mindset of people who do.

Again, don't put words in my mouth.  I have NEVER stated that I wanted Trump to fail, NEVER.  Yes, contractors have put bids on the wall and if I recall correctly the contract was supposed to be awarded mid April.  Congress however has stated that they have delayed funding for the wall.  The Secure Fence Act of 2006 was passed by both houses of Congress.  The 'fence' was never completely  built (obviously) because it was never completely funded! That was 11 years ago. The reality is this; Congress has stated that the budget for the wall is being delayed; therefore this year the wall will not get started.  Congress holds the purse strings.  IF it is not in the budget for 2018 which is an election year, and we lose the majority, the wall again will NOT be funded and won't be built. That is reality. Asking me if I know how long it takes to nominate a SCOTUS makes you seem like you think you're an authority on the issue and quite frankly makes you look like an azz!  As I recall, each SCOTUS appointment has varied in time.

Agreed.  It is in this country's best interest if Trump is successful in delivering what he promised; so far he has failed on the wall, banning migration,  Bammycare and SCOTUS.  I would love nothing more than to see the wall built, a ban on migration (though I think it should be much longer than he's proposed), repeal of Bammycare and Gorsuch appointed.  As time continues, it is looking less and less likely that those promises will be delivered. Yes, I realize the hurdles hes' encountering, but bottom line is, he is the leader of this country.  He's running a government not a business and his method of the 'art of the deal' so far is failing. I get that he is only one person, and there are 535 members of Congress he has to get by.  His resolution?  He goes after the Freedom Caucus (Amash and Meadows).  He is going after the CONSERVATIVE faction of the GOP!!  Perhaps that doesn't concern you, but it sure as heck concerns me.  Perhaps you feel that it was fine for him to back down on his campaign promise of repeal and side with Rayn so that he could pass the bill and put a feather in his cap, but I am not fine with him back pedaling on this issue. That's one of the reasons why this country is in the mess that it's in.  We have failed to hold our politicians (including our presidents) accountable and responsible.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bigheadfred on April 01, 2017, 11:57:11 pm
IMO, Trump took the reins on a failed government. I blame Congress. THEY are the ones failing. THEY are the problem. THEY are the ones that keep getting re-elected. Want a POTUS that can get some shit done? Elect a Congress that can get some shit done.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 02, 2017, 12:11:35 am
How many derogatory names are there for Trump supporters?

Trumpists, Trumpettes, Trump Davidians, Trump apologists, fascist, Hitler and the list goes on and on. Thread after thread.

So I hereby dub the anti-Trump posters here as "nnnnny's" standing for "nanrob's nattering nevertrump nabods of negativity."

No wonder they get kicked off from other sites. Can't get along with anybody not sharing your opinions, can't discuss matters with civility.

Negative and nasty are the defining qualities characteristics.

@truth_seeker

You can call me whatever pleases you, but how do you pronounce "nnnnnys?"  And what is a "nanrob?"
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: EC on April 02, 2017, 12:13:57 am
@truth_seeker

You can call me whatever pleases you, but how do you pronounce "nnnnnys?"

With the whiniest voice you can manage, of course.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 02, 2017, 12:18:10 am
IMO, Trump took the reins on a failed government. I blame Congress. THEY are the ones failing. THEY are the problem. THEY are the ones that keep getting re-elected. Want a POTUS that can get some shit done? Elect a Congress that can get some shit done.

Trump took over the reins after a very progressive left administration attempted to completely destroy this country. They still have a lot of control. Without a doubt, Congress is a lot to blame.  Especially the RINO's.  One thing that resonates in my mind is that his supporters didn't take into consideration the responsibility and powers of the executive branch, the powers and responsibility of the legislative branch and the powers and responsibility of the judicial branch.  IMHO, neither did Trump.  He didn't have a clue (and is I think now realizing reality) as to the functionality of the three branches of government.  His supporters and he failed to realize that running a government is far different than running a business.

The whole premise behind TEA was to oust RINO's and insert conservatives. The problem of course arises when there isn't a conservative to replace a RINO, then the RINO becomes more electable (usually) then the DEM.  Unfortunately Trump won over our conservative nominee for president and right now he is going after the conservative faction of the GOP.  Trump is siding with the RINO's and threatening to negotiate with the DEMS. Sorry, I've got a huge problem with that. That's not leading.  That's caving to the other side in order to put a feather in his cap.  No.  Definitely not acceptable.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: geronl on April 02, 2017, 12:23:46 am
Aren't you just the cute little optimist.  You know, Reagan didn't get a lot of his agenda passed until his second term, don't you.


There is zero comparison between Trump and Reagan. They are nothing alike.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 02, 2017, 12:27:52 am
With the whiniest voice you can manage, of course.

@EC

No doubt.

It reminds me of Cthulhu and the beasts beyond the stars.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Applewood on April 02, 2017, 12:32:43 am
How many derogatory names are there for Trump supporters?

Trumpists, Trumpettes, Trump Davidians, Trump apologists, fascist, Hitler and the list goes on and on. Thread after thread.

So I hereby dub the anti-Trump posters here as "nnnnny's" standing for "nanrob's nattering nevertrump nabods of negativity."

No wonder they get kicked off from other sites. Can't get along with anybody not sharing your opinions, can't discuss matters with civility.

Negative and nasty are the defining qualities characteristics.

And  I've been called a neverTrump, a Hillary supporter, a traitor, unpatriotic, stupid and a few other names I won't repeat here -- and those names came from Trump supporters. So don't whine to me about nastiness and negativity. 
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: driftdiver on April 02, 2017, 12:33:42 am
How many derogatory names are there for Trump supporters?

Trumpists, Trumpettes, Trump Davidians, Trump apologists, fascist, Hitler and the list goes on and on. Thread after thread.

So I hereby dub the anti-Trump posters here as "nnnnny's" standing for "nanrob's nattering nevertrump nabods of negativity."

No wonder they get kicked off from other sites. Can't get along with anybody not sharing your opinions, can't discuss matters with civility.

Negative and nasty are the defining qualities characteristics.

@truth_seeker
It's like they want the country to fail.  Most don't have any real arguments.  Just they hate Trump so whatever he supports must fail.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 02, 2017, 12:49:29 am
@truth_seeker
It's like they want the country to fail.  Most don't have any real arguments.  Just they hate Trump so whatever he supports must fail.

The notion that people hate Trump so much in here that the want him to fail is sheer rubbish.  The majority of us want him to succeed.  However he is not going to succeed by pandering to the left, siding with RINO's and declaring war on conservatives; the very base that got him elected.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 02, 2017, 12:51:36 am
Again, don't put words in my mouth.  I have NEVER stated that I wanted Trump to fail, NEVER.  Yes, contractors have put bids on the wall and if I recall correctly the contract was supposed to be awarded mid April.  Congress however has stated that they have delayed funding for the wall.  The Secure Fence Act of 2006 was passed by both houses of Congress.  The 'fence' was never completely  built (obviously) because it was never completely funded! That was 11 years ago. The reality is this; Congress has stated that the budget for the wall is being delayed; therefore this year the wall will not get started.  Congress holds the purse strings.  IF it is not in the budget for 2018 which is an election year, and we lose the majority, the wall again will NOT be funded and won't be built. That is reality. Asking me if I know how long it takes to nominate a SCOTUS makes you seem like you think you're an authority on the issue and quite frankly makes you look like an azz!  As I recall, each SCOTUS appointment has varied in time.

Agreed.  It is in this country's best interest if Trump is successful in delivering what he promised; so far he has failed on the wall, banning migration,  Bammycare and SCOTUS.  I would love nothing more than to see the wall built, a ban on migration (though I think it should be much longer than he's proposed), repeal of Bammycare and Gorsuch appointed.  As time continues, it is looking less and less likely that those promises will be delivered. Yes, I realize the hurdles hes' encountering, but bottom line is, he is the leader of this country.  He's running a government not a business and his method of the 'art of the deal' so far is failing. I get that he is only one person, and there are 535 members of Congress he has to get by.  His resolution?  He goes after the Freedom Caucus (Amash and Meadows).  He is going after the CONSERVATIVE faction of the GOP!!  Perhaps that doesn't concern you, but it sure as heck concerns me.  Perhaps you feel that it was fine for him to back down on his campaign promise of repeal and side with Rayn so that he could pass the bill and put a feather in his cap, but I am not fine with him back pedaling on this issue. That's one of the reasons why this country is in the mess that it's in.  We have failed to hold our politicians (including our presidents) accountable and responsible.

Oh, well, okay then.  You are giving Trump every chance and I am an azz, whatever that is.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2017, 12:59:13 am
Trump took over the reins after a very progressive left administration attempted to completely destroy this country. They still have a lot of control. Without a doubt, Congress is a lot to blame.  Especially the RINO's.  One thing that resonates in my mind is that his supporters didn't take into consideration the responsibility and powers of the executive branch, the powers and responsibility of the legislative branch and the powers and responsibility of the judicial branch.  IMHO, neither did Trump.  He didn't have a clue (and is I think now realizing reality) as to the functionality of the three branches of government.  His supporters and he failed to realize that running a government is far different than running a business.

The whole premise behind TEA was to oust RINO's and insert conservatives. The problem of course arises when there isn't a conservative to replace a RINO, then the RINO becomes more electable (usually) then the DEM.  Unfortunately Trump won over our conservative nominee for president and right now he is going after the conservative faction of the GOP.  Trump is siding with the RINO's and threatening to negotiate with the DEMS. Sorry, I've got a huge problem with that. That's not leading.  That's caving to the other side in order to put a feather in his cap.  No.  Definitely not acceptable.

If you think Cruz would be having more luck with congress I think you are wrong. The government is broken. It will take more than one man to fix it.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: goodwithagun on April 02, 2017, 01:13:17 am
How many derogatory names are there for Trump supporters?

Trumpists, Trumpettes, Trump Davidians, Trump apologists, fascist, Hitler and the list goes on and on. Thread after thread.

So I hereby dub the anti-Trump posters here as "nnnnny's" standing for "nanrob's nattering nevertrump nabods of negativity."

No wonder they get kicked off from other sites. Can't get along with anybody not sharing your opinions, can't discuss matters with civility.

Negative and nasty are the defining qualities characteristics.

I was actually called a Cruzlim for supporting the most conservative option in the primaries, so just go right ahead and blow it out your ear.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Cripplecreek on April 02, 2017, 01:25:19 am
If you think Cruz would be having more luck with congress I think you are wrong. The government is broken. It will take more than one man to fix it.

Obviously he wouldn't get everything he wants but would do better than Trump based on the fact that he doesn't stir up unnecessary fights within the party on a daily basis or threaten to destroy anyone who opposes him.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: endicom on April 02, 2017, 02:05:37 am
...conservatives; the very base that got him elected.


Conservative parties exist and are insignificant in most elections.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 02, 2017, 02:20:12 am
If you think Cruz would be having more luck with congress I think you are wrong. The government is broken. It will take more than one man to fix it.

They don't like Cruz that much either but he knows how to politic.

Don't light up @libertybele ... she'll write another dam book.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: goatprairie on April 02, 2017, 02:39:48 am
The admin's start has been a little rough, but nowhere near this writer's hyperventilation.
However bad Trump stumbles, he's still a huge improvement over what Hillary would be like.  That is not good enough....Trump's bumbling disgraces the party and by extention the conservative movement of which he is the putative leader....even though he has virtually no interest in conservative principles.
Nevertheless,  we should give Trump a year's time before passing judgement.  The party screwed up nominating him, but he is the president and not Clinton.  While I'm sorry Trump is the prez instead of just about any other Pubbie who ran, he's not the total disaster as depicted.
Gerson is a little over the top in his denunciation...for one thing where's this huge famine he's spouting off about?
Trump is doing about 5 on a scale of 10.  But Hillary would be 0 for 10.
I guess we can be grateful for that and hope His Orangeness grows out of his adolescent behavior.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: geronl on April 02, 2017, 02:42:59 am
@truth_seeker
It's like they want the country to fail. .

Trump is the country?
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: geronl on April 02, 2017, 02:43:50 am
However bad Trump stumbles, he's still a huge improvement over what Hillary would be like. 

What a cop-out.

At least he ain't Kim Jong-Un! We should be satisfied with that.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 02, 2017, 02:51:39 am
What a cop-out.

At least he ain't Kim Jong-Un! We should be satisfied with that.

 :beer:
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: libertybele on April 02, 2017, 02:53:00 am
They don't like Cruz that much either but he knows how to politic.

Don't light up @libertybele ... she'll write another dam book.

Amazing how you talk for everyone else ... you don't have a clue!  As far as books go, maybe you should actually read one.  :silly:
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 02, 2017, 03:12:12 am
Guys.... please!  Can't we all just....

get along?

 :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:

Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 02, 2017, 03:29:32 am
Its who he is and its not going to change or get better. It will get worse.

We were told how he would begin to act presidential once he had the nomination in hand. He didn't. We were told he would act presidential once he gets into office. He didn't. Now I'm hearing that we've got to give him 6 months or a year and he'll settle into acting presidential. Its not going to happen. He's the same  tabloid TV celebrity he was in the 1980s and he isn't going to change.

Frankly I expect him to either resign or switch parties while blaming everybody else. Which route he chooses is entirely dependent on which will garner the most attention.

He is already switching parties.  He said he is going to get health care whether it is Republicans or Democrats to give it to him.  He is very willing to go there.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 02, 2017, 03:34:25 am
He is already switching parties.  He said he is going to get health care whether it is Republicans or Democrats to give it to him.  He is very willing to go there.

I just read that Ivanka and Jared Kushner are becoming the dominant power center in Trump's WH. That should make for some interesting contortions defending the stuff that Trump will propose in the next few years.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2017, 03:42:09 am
I just read that Ivanka and Jared Kushner are becoming the dominant power center in Trump's WH. That should make for some interesting contortions defending the stuff that Trump will propose in the next few years.

speaking of interesting contortions I have a question for you.

If two gay black men get married and then one leaves, how do you categorize that?
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: EC on April 02, 2017, 03:49:01 am
speaking of interesting contortions I have a question for you.

If two gay black men get married and then one leaves, how do you categorize that?

A blackballing, of course.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: txradioguy on April 02, 2017, 03:52:00 am
Yeah, agreed. Other admins have had rocky starts too but I don't remember anything this bad. Plus with other Presidents I think they might be humble enough to learn from their mistakes, but I just don't see Trump doing that. Hence it will only get worse IMO.

Obama head a pretty Rocky start but the difference between him and Trump is that Obama didn't attack his own party when there was a setback or he stepped on it.

Pelosi and Reid had his back and he had theirs and they were able to move forward despite Big Ears ineptitude.

Can't say that's the case right now with Trump and the GOP.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2017, 03:56:21 am
Obama head a pretty Rocky start but the difference between him and Trump is that Obama didn't attack his own party when there was a setback or he stepped on it.

Pelosi and Reid had his back and he had theirs and they were able to move forward despite Big Ears ineptitude.

Can't say that's the case right now with Trump and the GOP.

The problem here is Trump is his own party.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: txradioguy on April 02, 2017, 03:58:51 am
The problem here is Trump is his own party.

Trump hasn't done anything really to secure any trust with most of the GOP House members or those in the Senate.

He really needs to do that and stop attacking Conservatives...especially this close to the mid terms.  He's just giving the Dems ammo to use against the Republicans running this year.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 02, 2017, 04:02:06 am
Amazing how you talk for everyone else ... you don't have a clue!  As far as books go, maybe you should actually read one.  :silly:

I've read two today and you wrote both of them.  It really bothers you to be challenged on anything, doesn't it.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 02, 2017, 04:03:14 am
Guys.... please!  Can't we all just....

get along?

 :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:

Apparently not.  Not right now, anyway.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 02, 2017, 04:17:33 am
When you get right down to it, why do Trump supporters think they can shame people with accusations of disliking Trump? 

This is America.  When did not liking a politician--- or anyone else, for that matter--- become wrong?  It's a free country and we can all like or dislike whomever we want.

Dislike of Trump is perfectly valid, is not shameful or wrong, and doesn't need to be defended.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 02, 2017, 04:26:09 am
When you get right down to it, why do Trump supporters think they can shame people with accusations of disliking Trump? 

This is America.  When did not liking a politician--- or anyone else, for that matter--- become wrong?  It's a free country and we can all like or dislike whomever we want.

Dislike of Trump is perfectly valid, is not shameful or wrong, and doesn't need to be defended.

Absolutely.  Dislike of Trump is not only valid, it's almost become a hobby.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 02, 2017, 04:27:32 am
I've read two today and you wrote both of them.  It really bothers you to be challenged on anything, doesn't it.

@Emjay

Maybe she'll write a third.  And a fourth.  Your approval isn't necessary.

Bitching, scolding, and criticizing how others post seems to be the lion's share of your content, so If I were you I'd be minding my own posts instead of playing the cranky hall monitor.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 02, 2017, 04:29:23 am
Absolutely.  Dislike of Trump is not only valid, it's almost become a hobby.

@Emjay

 What if it has?  So what? 
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 02, 2017, 04:40:23 am
@Emjay

Maybe she'll write a third.  And a fourth.  Your approval isn't necessary.

Bitching, scolding, and criticizing how others post seems to be the lion's share of your content, so If I were you I'd be minding my own posts instead of playing the cranky hall monitor.

@libertybele posted a diatribe about various Trump failures.  I simply helped her to understand that she was mistaken about some of them.  She reacted badly.  I gave up and admitted that I am a something I don't remember.

You are mistaking friendly, informative comments for bitching and scolding.  And you sound a little cranky about it.  So how about cutting it out.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 02, 2017, 04:54:54 am
@libertybele posted a diatribe about various Trump failures.  I simply helped her to understand that she was mistaken about some of them.  She reacted badly.  I gave up and admitted that I am a something I don't remember.

You are mistaking friendly, informative comments for bitching and scolding.  And you sound a little cranky about it.  So how about cutting it out.

@Emjay

I'll decide that.

Maybe she didn't react badly, but only in a way you didn't like.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: EC on April 02, 2017, 05:00:48 am
CAT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOO!!!!!!
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 02, 2017, 05:25:25 am
Absolutely.  Dislike of Trump is not only valid, it's almost become a hobby.

Not sure why you hang in here when you are so worked up about people talking politics.  This isn't an alter to the Donald. 
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 02, 2017, 05:39:38 am
Not sure why you hang in here when you are so worked up about people talking politics.  This isn't an alter to the Donald.

It's not even an altar to the Donald.

And I'm not worked up.  I'm presenting alternative theories and some people don't like it.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 02, 2017, 06:03:17 am
It's not even an altar to the Donald.

And I'm not worked up.  I'm presenting alternative theories and some people don't like it.

With all due respect that is not what you are doing.  If you were presenting theories and your own opinion on subjects they wouldn't call it bitching.  You are belittling other people for their views.  It is quite enough to state your opinion.  You don't have to continue to make everyone the enemy of the state.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: INVAR on April 02, 2017, 07:40:03 am
You are mistaking friendly, informative comments for bitching and scolding.  And you sound a little cranky about it.  So how about cutting it out.

Mod note:  Please don't uses memes containing language that would have been Bleeped by our obscenity filters. 

Apologies to all.  Someone posted 'cat fight' and that hit me square in the funny bone and I just yanked the raw image off the net because I thought it was funny.  It was ridiculously late and I should know better than to post when tired and in a zombie state.

But the image of the 50's era housewife pouring coffee is a funny avatar of the pursefight I'm reading on this thread - so I cleaned it up for family viewing:

(https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/hot-cup-shut-up.jpg)
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: DCPatriot on April 02, 2017, 03:34:09 pm
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Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 02, 2017, 07:40:05 pm
Mod note:  Please don't uses memes containing language that would have been Bleeped by our obscenity filters. 

Apologies to all.  Someone posted 'cat fight' and that hit me square in the funny bone and I just yanked the raw image off the net because I thought it was funny.  It was ridiculously late and I should know better than to post when tired and in a zombie state.

But the image of the 50's era housewife pouring coffee is a funny avatar of the pursefight I'm reading on this thread - so I cleaned it up for family viewing:

@INVAR

I don't know about anyone else, but the little fifties chick in the lacy apron and the bun is not me. 

Purse fight...nah.  I can kickbox, though.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 02, 2017, 07:43:37 pm
Mod note:  Please don't uses memes containing language that would have been Bleeped by our obscenity filters. 

Apologies to all.  Someone posted 'cat fight' and that hit me square in the funny bone and I just yanked the raw image off the net because I thought it was funny.  It was ridiculously late and I should know better than to post when tired and in a zombie state.

But the image of the 50's era housewife pouring coffee is a funny avatar of the pursefight I'm reading on this thread - so I cleaned it up for family viewing:

@INVAR

I don't know about anyone else, but the little fifties chick in the lacy apron and the bun is not me. 

Purse fight...nah.  I can kickbox, though.

I don't even get this cat fight or purse fight thing.  A couple of women with differing opinions does not constitute a cat fight, at least I'm not fighting. 

I just stated some opinions people didn't like.  I do not box, kick box or even slap.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 02, 2017, 07:43:48 pm
This thread definitely needs more cowbell.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Emjay on April 02, 2017, 07:46:51 pm
This thread definitely needs more cowbell.

Or more tacos.  Sandra brought me a taco again last night.  Not my favorite... it was a chicken taco but still dang good.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 02, 2017, 07:49:35 pm
Or more tacos.  Sandra brought me a taco again last night.  Not my favorite... it was a chicken taco but still dang good.

I'm not a taco purist.... but I think of seasoned beef and cheese (and tomato) when I think of tacos.  Yum.... still craving them.  (off to the store mañana )
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: INVAR on April 02, 2017, 07:53:39 pm
This thread definitely needs more cowbell.

Catfight, purse fight and cowbell.

Sounds like a female mud-wrestling event happening in someone's barn.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: XenaLee on April 02, 2017, 07:57:13 pm
Catfight, purse fight and cowbell.

Sounds like a female mud-wrestling event happening in someone's barn.

Your typical male fantasies aside....(lol)....

it's time to abandon and abort!  (ooops... I mean quit)
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Gefn on April 02, 2017, 08:10:13 pm
Tacos and cowbell make me a happy camper.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: INVAR on April 02, 2017, 08:14:01 pm
Your typical male fantasies aside....(lol)....

it's time to abandon and abort!  (ooops... I mean quit)

I had three daughters.

My male fantasies were fundamentally curtailed after they were born and got into their teens. 
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 02, 2017, 08:33:59 pm
I don't even get this cat fight or purse fight thing.  A couple of women with differing opinions does not constitute a cat fight, at least I'm not fighting. 

I just stated some opinions people didn't like.  I do not box, kick box or even slap.

@Emjay

Kick boxing is a good workout.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Silver Pines on April 02, 2017, 08:36:01 pm
Your typical male fantasies aside....(lol)....

it's time to abandon and abort!  (ooops... I mean quit)

@XenaLee

Yep, it's getting kind of gross.  See on you the Dead thread, lol.
Title: Re: This Presidency Is Failing -- and Stunningly
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on April 03, 2017, 01:24:14 am
This thread in movie format:

(http://i.imgur.com/sMOVCZt.gif)