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The 10 Most Destructive Americans of My 8 Decades
Frank Hawkins
July 29, 2018
America has undergone enormous change during the nearly eight decades of my life. Today, America is a bitterly divided, poorly educated and morally fragile society with so-called mainstream politicians pushing cynical identity politics, socialism and open borders. The president of the United States is threatened with impeachment because the other side doesn’t like him. The once reasonably unbiased American media has evolved into a hysterical left wing mob. How could the stable and reasonably cohesive America of the 1950s have reached this point in just one lifetime? Who are the main culprits? Here’s my list of the 10 most destructive Americans of the last 80 years.
10) Mark Felt – Deputy director of the FBI, aka “Deep Throat†during the Watergate scandal. This was the first public instance of a senior FBI officially directly interfering in America’s political affairs. Forerunner of James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe.
9) Bill Ayers– Represents the deep and ongoing leftist ideological damage to our education system. An unrepentant American terrorist who evaded punishment, he devoted his career to radicalizing American education and pushing leftist causes. Ghost wrote Obama’s book, “Dreams of My Father.â€
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I urge you to read the entire list at the source. #1 may be a surprise....
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@Cyber Liberty
Excellent article! And I would point out that most of what it contains has been said a few times already right here on ths very forum.
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The 10 Most Destructive Americans of My 8 Decades
Frank Hawkins
July 29, 2018
I urge you to read the entire list at the source. #1 may be a surprise....
I remember during the 04 election there where people who wanted John Kerry to win (this was at the TOS). I shudder to think on how certain cases from the Supreme Court turned out had John Kerry been able to place his Justices on the Supreme Court.
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@Cyber Liberty
Excellent article! And I would point out that most of what it contains has been said a few times already right here on ths very forum.
@Bigun
Thanks! 888high58888
Both of us having been long time members of TOS, I think we can safely say that agreement includes them too. Even if JR can be a chicken-sh*t.
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about the author:
Frank Hawkins is a former US Army intelligence officer, Associated Press foreign correspondent, international businessman, senior newspaper company executive, founder and owner of several marketing companies and published novelist. He is currently retired in North Carolina.
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Wonderful compilation.
By the time I saw who was his #1...was smiling ear to ear.
His dishonorable mention list is superb too!
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about the author:
Frank Hawkins is a former US Army intelligence officer, Associated Press foreign correspondent, international businessman, senior newspaper company executive, founder and owner of several marketing companies and published novelist. He is currently retired in North Carolina.
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Wonderful compilation.
By the time I saw who was his #1...was smiling ear to ear.
His dishonorable mention list is superb too!
This article came over my Bookface News Feed. I was also impressed by the items you mentioned. :beer:
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Honestly, from what he posts, LBJ should be number one.
Also, he blames "Jimmy" (should be Jimi) Hendrix and Janis Joplin for the drug culture that came to be in the '60s but what about the Beatles, Jim Morrison and the Doors and so on?
Timothy Leary, Abbie Hoffman, there are bound to be others, did some help Hollywood go so left? It seems I've heard that too.
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Howard Zinn.
His "Peoples' History of the United States" has poisoned the minds of millions over the years.
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Howard Zinn.
His "Peoples' History of the United States" has poisoned the minds of millions over the years.
Good addition.
John Kerry certainly deserves a spot on the list. I'm not sure it's #1.
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Good addition.
John Kerry certainly deserves a spot on the list. I'm not sure it's #1.
When you read the list and reasons for inclusion...you become aware of just how treasonous and criminal the eight years of Obama were.
...just realize I didn't even read the author's reasons for including Obama himself. LOL!
Think Maxwell Smart...."We came THIS close!!"
...to losing it all.
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Think Maxwell Smart...."We came THIS close!!"
...to losing it all.
Let us hope that will serve as a wake-up call to our people.
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@Cyber Liberty
Thanks for the post. I'm saving this article for future reference. Our national government has been seriously infiltrated by the enemy. Returning the national government to a federal government will require shuttering agencies and mass firings to save the republic.
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Sorry, but Bill Clinton is by far number one. Between his coziness with China, failure to deal with bin Laden, authorizing Operation Merlin, and engaging in the Agreed Framework, he's single-handedly responsible for continuing major foreign policy problems we deal with for almost 20 years after he's president.
How did FDR not make the list? New Deal policies still weigh us down today.
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FDR, well, the author does talk about his 8 decades of being alive, maybe the author was alive when FDR was around but likely he was very young. 80 years ago was 1938.
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FDR, well, the author does talk about his 8 decades of being alive, maybe the author was alive when FDR was around but likely he was very young. 80 years ago was 1938.
I'm thinking that, too. Most people, even the author, tend to see world history as starting when they're first born or in their formative years. Everything previous is ancient history, except to folks like VDH, who are trained Historians. The Author did title it the 10 worst in his lifetime.
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Let us hope that will serve as a wake-up call to our people.
Doubtful.
Our political leaders are a reflection of the character of the people in our culture.
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FDR, well, the author does talk about his 8 decades of being alive, maybe the author was alive when FDR was around but likely he was very young. 80 years ago was 1938.
It either falls within the timeframe, or it doesn’t. I was just a baby when Johnson was president. Between the Great Society and Vietnam, he’d be on my lifetime list.
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Doubtful.
Our political leaders are a reflection of the character of the people in our culture.
People learn from personal experience, and it's been a long time since 1989 (and RR had his faults, too). I'm a little more optimistic, and that depends on how well the current occupant of the White House can sell those winning ideas.
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@Cyber Liberty
Excellent article! And I would point out that most of what it contains has been said a few times already right here on ths very forum.
Yes! Totally interesting list. I'm gonna go back and read each nominee's history more carefully, but I did read John Kerry.
Kerry was total scum and every time I write his name I want to add "thank you Swift Boaters". These guys were war heroes and not particular political but they put themselves out there and saved us from Kerry.
But even though he was a traitor, I'm not sure what evil he was actually able to accomplish so don't know that he would be my No. 1, though he's certainly in the running.
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Sorry, but Bill Clinton is by far number one. Between his coziness with China, failure to deal with bin Laden, authorizing Operation Merlin, and engaging in the Agreed Framework, he's single-handedly responsible for continuing major foreign policy problems we deal with for almost 20 years after he's president.
How did FDR not make the list? New Deal policies still weigh us down today.
@edpc
If I was going to be picky I would have Woodrow Wilson high on the list as well.
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Yes! Totally interesting list. I'm gonna go back and read each nominee's history more carefully, but I did read John Kerry.
Kerry was total scum and every time I write his name I want to add "thank you Swift Boaters". These guys were war heroes and not particular political but they put themselves out there and saved us from Kerry.
But even though he was a traitor, I'm not sure what evil he was actually able to accomplish so don't know that he would be my No. 1, though he's certainly in the running.
I think this author had a very personal dislike for Kerry's actions during Vietnam. I imagine Kerry hurt more of his friends and comrades than anybody else on the list.
As for the Swift Boat Vets, the presstitutes still work overtime smearing the names of those good men, every chance they get.
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I was with him until Jimmy Hendrix and Janis Joplin.
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@edpc
If I was going to be picky I would have Woodrow Wilson high on the list as well.
I agree, but I don’t think either of us is 100. :laugh:
The stipulation seems to be within the author’s lifetime.
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Howard Zinn.
His "Peoples' History of the United States" has poisoned the minds of millions over the years.
That one should certainly be there.
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I was with him until Jimmy Hendrix and Janis Joplin.
Haven't read the whole thing but both my son and son-in-law always wear a Jimi Hendrix cap. Not sure why.
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Doubtful.
Our political leaders are a reflection of the character of the people in our culture.
I guess that makes sense, since there's a lot of variety in our elected representatives. (I don't consider them our leaders since I put more rigorous requirements on those whom I consider leaders.)
But, how do you account for the fact that incumbents have such a phenomenally high rate of reelection? Seems that if they reflected us, they would change with the whims of the society at large.
Sorry, I forgot to ping you @INVAR.
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@edpc
If I was going to be picky I would have Woodrow Wilson high on the list as well.
I'm pretty pissed at C.A. Arthur for creating the "Civil Service" cocoon that has enabled the army of bureaucrats to eat out our substance. But you're right, Wilson was probably in the top ten of rotten Presidents. Thank Goodness the Senate had the good sense to refuse admission to the foolish LoN.
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People learn from personal experience, and it's been a long time since 1989 (and RR had his faults, too). I'm a little more optimistic, and that depends on how well the current occupant of the White House can sell those winning ideas.
A population that sees no use for principles or morality are NOT going to elect representatives that stand for morality and principles.
They will vote for whomever promises the most free shit, and/or promises the most retribution upon the people in this country they hate. The rest will vote against the other, simply because the other is seen as worse and thus 'save the country'.
I find it fascinating that today, "Conservatives" choose to see no correlation any longer with the decline of biblical morality in the culture and despotic and moronic leaders whom beguile a people into voting them into power. Like the Left, Republicans are just the other side of a uniparty in whom the ends justifies whatever means are used to achieve power.
A morally fit and Constitutionally-minded people would never have let the devious on that list remain in power, or get away with doing what they did. But - we are incrementally grown into a people who are wholly ignorant of our foundations and a people that will not fight for anything, except the right to get our rocks off without consequences, get subsidized by our neighbors, expand government to control every aspect of life, and use that government to punish and silence anything that offends us.
I highly doubt we are going to abolish the forms to which we have become accustomed. Such is history and human nature, and a very rare thing that happens.
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I guess that makes sense, since there's a lot of variety in our elected representatives. (I don't consider them our leaders since I put more rigorous requirements on those whom I consider leaders.)
But, how do you account for the fact that incumbents have such a phenomenally high rate of reelection? Seems that if they reflected us, they would change with the whims of the society at large.
They reflect the whims of the voters who have gained the most from their thievery. They have a vested interest in returning these garden slugs to office, in order to keep robbing the rest of the country on their behalf.
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Haven't read the whole thing but both my son and son-in-law always wear a Jimi Hendrix cap. Not sure why.
Because he was a musical genius who fundamtally changed (improved) rock? (And sorry about not catching the autocorrect, yes, I know it is 'Jimi' before anyone corrects me).
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They will vote for whomever promises the most free shit, and/or promises the most retribution upon the people in this country they hate. The rest will vote against the other, simply because the other is seen as worse and thus 'save the country'.
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I highly doubt we are going to abolish the forms to which we have become accustomed. Such is history and human nature, and a very rare thing that happens.
You'll get no argument from me on that, Brother @INVAR.
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They reflect the whims of the voters who have gained the most from their thievery. They have a vested interest in returning these garden slugs to office, in order to keep robbing the rest of the country on their behalf.
That explains some of it, but not all of the incumbency reelection rate.
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Great List.
Agree with those who say FDR and WW should be there.
Two of the most destructive individuals in American History.
(Not sure about the inclusion of Mark Felt).
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That explains some of it, but not all of the incumbency reelection rate.
I think "The devil you know vs. the Devil you don't" is a large factor, too. Plus the normal advantages of incumbency, like the pork barrel and advantage in fund raising.
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Great List.
Agree with those who say FDR and WW should be there.
Two of the most destructive individuals in American History.
(Not sure about the inclusion of Mark Felt).
The Mark Felt thing represented the weaponizing of a Federal Agency (the FBI) for political reasons. It was ironic, because it was Felt's target who remains accused of that. That weaponizing underwent quantum growth under Clinton and Obastard.
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I think "The devil you know vs. the Devil you don't" is a large factor, too. Plus the normal advantages of incumbency, like the pork barrel and advantage in fund raising.
True, and in that case it's not a situation where "Our political leaders are a reflection of the character of the people in our culture". They are a reflection of a vested few. A very few in many cases.
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True, and in that case it's not a situation where "Our political leaders are a reflection of the character of the people in our culture". They are a reflection of a vested few. A very few in many cases.
It's a reflection of a majority of voters who show up at the polls, and nothing else. They are the ones with a self interest in the status quo, for whatever their motivation.
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It's a reflection of a majority of voters who show up at the polls, and nothing else. They are the ones with a self interest in the status quo, for whatever their motivation.
I think the effects of the "system", the one created by the elected office-holders, has to be considered too. As with most things in life, it's not a level playing field, and in fact a greatly distorted one.
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It's a reflection of a majority of voters who show up at the polls, and nothing else. They are the ones with a self interest in the status quo, for whatever their motivation.
@Cyber Liberty
I beg to differ with you here. The Washington elites have gotten really good at controlling who we are allowed to elect to "represent" us. But, in the end, I suppose it's still the voters for being so stupid as to fall for that crap.
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@Cyber Liberty
I beg to differ with you here. The Washington elites have gotten really good at controlling who we are allowed to elect to "represent" us. But, in the end, I suppose it's still the voters for being so stupid as to fall for that crap.
I was beginning to wonder where you were on this topic, @Bigun. ^-^
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I think the effects of the "system", the one created by the elected office-holders, has to be considered too. As with most things in life, it's not a level playing field, and in fact a greatly distorted one.
@sanquine
You bet your sweet bippy it is! 888high58888
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I was beginning to wonder where you were on this topic, @Bigun. ^-^
@sanquine
You already knew! ****slapping
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But, how do you account for the fact that incumbents have such a phenomenally high rate of reelection? Seems that if they reflected us, they would change with the whims of the society at large.
I'lll give you a few:
Money. Money and free shit. When you are Santa Claus, handing out other people's money to you, your company or your group, you'll make sure to keep whomever is funneling dough to you, in power so they can continue to give it to you.
Stability. People by and large do not like change. If some incumbent has been there for decades, being supported by the movers and shakers of the district because he funds their stuff - he will remain in office as long as he desires, even to the point of 'their seat' somehow belonging to them personally.
Ignorance. You have a population and electorate wholly ignorant of our foundations, our foundational documents or any understanding of why they were written as they were. Ever watch those 'man on the street' interviews asking poli-sci students at universities about the Constitution, the Founders and politics? It's frightening. Dumb as a box of rocks. Yet they know everything there is to know about Kanye West or the Kardashians. Those are kids going into political activism if not politics itself. God says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. That is not only a proverb - but a warning. We have not listened.
Also consider that this people have itching ears and desire to hear only what they want to hear. Politicians prey on their emotions and passions and either exploit that or represent the avaricies, resentments, greeds, jealousies and wants of their districts/wards.
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@INVAR @Sanguine @Bigun
We are all on the same page here! Let's bang some glasses! :beer: :beer: :beer:
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@INVAR @Sanguine @Bigun
We are all on the same page here! Let's bang some glasses! :beer: :beer: :beer:
Gladly! Wish the circle was greatly larger! :beer: :beer: :beer:
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@edpc
If I was going to be picky I would have Woodrow Wilson high on the list as well.
Beer!
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@INVAR @Sanguine @Bigun
We are all on the same page here! Let's bang some glasses! :beer: :beer: :beer:
How bout we bang some heads and then we'll all meet back at the local saloon
and raise up our glasses against evil forces
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How bout we bang some heads and then we'll all meet back at the local saloon
and raise up our glasses against evil forces
I'm up for that as well! Been working on the idea for some time in fact!
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Because he was a musical genius who fundamtally changed (improved) rock? (And sorry about not catching the autocorrect, yes, I know it is 'Jimi' before anyone corrects me).
My son-in-law was in a rock band in better days and my son is a total music aficionado so maybe that's why.
I know you knew it was Jimi
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@sanquine
You already knew! ****slapping
Just gigging you. :laugh: To use the expression from my neighbors south of me.
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I'm pretty pissed at C.A. Arthur for creating the "Civil Service" cocoon that has enabled the army of bureaucrats to eat out our substance. But you're right, Wilson was probably in the top ten of rotten Presidents. Thank Goodness the Senate had the good sense to refuse admission to the foolish LoN.
My husband would put Abraham Lincoln on the list. The worst thing in our history was the Civil War and hubby thinks Lincoln was in large part responsible. Just one guy's opinion.
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How bout we bang some heads and then we'll all meet back at the local saloon
and raise up our glasses against evil forces
Send me the GPS coordinates and there's a chance I'll be there. (I'm a bit spatially challenged)
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My husband would put Abraham Lincoln on the list. The worst thing in our history was the Civil War and hubby thinks Lincoln was in large part responsible. Just one guy's opinion.
Nope! One hell of a lot of people hold that opinion including myself.
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How bout we bang some heads and then we'll all meet back at the local saloon
and raise up our glasses against evil forces
I vote all of the above! Glasses here, Heads there and then come back for more Glasses!
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My husband would put Abraham Lincoln on the list. The worst thing in our history was the Civil War and hubby thinks Lincoln was in large part responsible. Just one guy's opinion.
Oh, here we go again, defending the evil of slavery. How noble, I'll want to read all of your posts. I don't think that's backed up realistically, everyone knew Lincoln was going to end slavery.
By the way, some would put your favorite father and son presidents on the list as well, at least the son.
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Abraham Lincoln is at the top of a lot of the best presidents in history lists, for those defending an evil like slavery. Deny it but it seems to me you are and such statements as above should not be uncontested. Pretty hateful.
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Oh, here we go again, defending the evil of slavery. How noble, I'll want to read all of your posts. I don't think that's backed up realistically, everyone knew Lincoln was going to end slavery.
By the way, some would put your favorite father and son presidents on the list as well, at least the son.
@TomSea
Your knowledge of history is SEVERLY lacking and you insist on putting the fact on display.
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Oh, here we go again, defending the evil of slavery. How noble, I'll want to read all of your posts. I don't think that's backed up realistically, everyone knew Lincoln was going to end slavery.
By the way, some would put your favorite father and son presidents on the list as well, at least the son.
This is why @mystery-ak doesn't care for Civil War threads. It's like religion, sooner or later somebody's damning other Members to heck for their views (or rather, perceptions of some by others). In this case, I didn't see anybody "defending slavery."
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Oh, here we go again, defending the evil of slavery. How noble, I'll want to read all of your posts. I don't think that's backed up realistically, everyone knew Lincoln was going to end slavery.
By the way, some would put your favorite father and son presidents on the list as well, at least the son.
@TomSea why don't you just shut up. Your opinions are ridiculous. We are not talking about slavery but about a civil war over it that could have been prevented. And don't even try with the Bush aside.
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I'm up for that as well! Been working on the idea for some time in fact!
I vote all of the above! Glasses here, Heads there and then come back for more Glasses!
Send me the GPS coordinates and there's a chance I'll be there. (I'm a bit spatially challenged)
:cool:
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I've been to several meetings of TOS members back in 'the day. One of them had David Gold as a speaker along with one of Bill Clinton's Arkansas girlfriends who was pushing a book which I bought but no longer have. I just bought it because she took the trouble to come to the meeting. I have pictures.
Why don't y'all head on over to Maui and we can me at Kule's.
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It's really why many call the USA the great country in the world, we saved the world in World War II, at least mostly and then, years earlier, we encountered slavery and put an end to it in this nation. One of the greatest moments of our nation. No revisionist history, the South was a white supremacist society which has no place to be in America. Lincoln also is one of the fathers of the Republican party, if you are putting him down. What's next? claim George HW Bush helped engineer the JFK assassination because mud throwers should know, he is well accused of that and I consider it slander. There is a whole forum dedicated to civil war talk. This is well over 80 years ago, so someone just decided to throw this in. We are a city on the hill, we need to return to moral virtue.
Bushwhackers from both sides of the Kansas/Missouri border, abolitionists and pro-slavery, attacked each other. There are a number of incidences that could have started the Civil War.
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I've been to several meetings of TOS members back in 'the day. One of them had David Gold as a speaker along with one of Bill Clinton's Arkansas girlfriends who was pushing a book which I bought but no longer have. I just bought it because she took the trouble to come to the meeting. I have pictures.
Why don't y'all head on over to Maui and we can me at Kule's.
I like it. Gotta be a lot cooler in Maui.
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I like it. Gotta be a lot cooler in Maui.
In some parts of Maui, yeah, especially in higher elevations and in rain forest areas where we first lived (Haiku).
But in Kihei is is hot as hell because it goes up to 87 every day with hardly any breeze and high humidity. But at night, it's okay.
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In some parts of Maui, yeah, especially in higher elevations and in rain forest areas where we first lived (Haiku).
But in Kihei is is hot as hell because it goes up to 87 every day with hardly any breeze and high humidity. But at night, it's okay.
Oh, Emjay, 87 sounds heavenly! 103 here right now.
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It's really why many call the USA the great country in the world, we saved the world in World War II, at least mostly and then, years earlier, we encountered slavery and put an end to it in this nation. One of the greatest moments of our nation. No revisionist history, the South was a white supremacist society which has no place to be in America. Lincoln also is one of the fathers of the Republican party, if you are putting him down. What's next? claim George HW Bush helped engineer the JFK assassination because mud throwers should know, he is well accused of that and I consider it slander. There is a whole forum dedicated to civil war talk. This is well over 80 years ago, so someone just decided to throw this in. We are a city on the hill, we need to return to moral virtue.
Bushwhackers from both sides of the Kansas/Missouri border, abolitionists and pro-slavery, attacked each other. There are a number of incidences that could have started the Civil War.
Nobody would know how abysmally ignorant you are about that period in U.S. History if you didn't keep posting puerile, nonsensical opinions.
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Please stick to the topic. This is not a thread about the Civil War, nor the relative morality of the two sides. Further comments along those lines will be deleted in whole.
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I have another to add to the list:
John McCain
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Nobody would know how abysmally ignorant you are about that period in U.S. History if you didn't keep posting puerile, nonsensical opinions.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Thank you, MOD!
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Please stick to the topic. This is not a thread about the Civil War, nor the relative morality of the two sides. Further comments along those lines will be deleted in whole.
Sorry - missed your post when writing my last.
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@Cyber Liberty
I beg to differ with you here. The Washington elites have gotten really good at controlling who we are allowed to elect to "represent" us. But, in the end, I suppose it's still the voters for being so stupid as to fall for that crap.
The two party system and outrageous sums of money spent on elections have created a barrier of entry for decent conservative people without connections.
FDR and Wilson were certainly destructive but the scope of the list is the author's eight decades.
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The two party system and outrageous sums of money spent on elections have created a barrier of entry for decent conservative people without connections.
FDR and Wilson were certainly destructive but the scope of the list is the author's eight decades.
This is true. We have created a political caste in this country. Money flows to the caste leadership and they dispense it to those whom they have chosen to further the empowerment of the caste and its agenda. Public servants no longer exist in this country - and the reality is that they have not existed fro a long, long time.
Notice that the only ones capable of challenging that caste - are independently wealthy people who use their own billions to help get them into a position of entry.
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@Cyber Liberty
Thanks for the post. I'm saving this article for future reference. Our national government has been seriously infiltrated by the enemy. Returning the national government to a federal government will require shuttering agencies and mass firings to save the republic.
A serious question: Is there a nation in Europe, or a State in our Union, that has done the requisite "shuttering?"
I just heard a commentator on the radio, note that governments at all levels, enact scores of laws, which overtime stay on the books, yet go unenforced.
In turn he stated that situation contributes to loss of respect for "rule of law," and for government in general.
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Thank you, MOD!
Indeed!
Now I don't have to keep clicking on "Mark as Read" to avoid the battle.
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A serious question: Is there a nation in Europe, or a State in our Union, that has done the requisite "shuttering?"
I just heard a commentator on the radio, note that governments at all levels, enact scores of laws, which overtime stay on the books, yet go unenforced.
In turn he stated that situation contributes to loss of respect for "rule of law," and for government in general.
Caught a bad case of that when I noticed my own county and state governments not only not enforce immigration laws, but conspired with organized groups to shelter and feed them...suddenly they constructed portable class rooms on every campus.
Took the attitude...if you can't beat them join them. :shrug:
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Thank you, MOD!
Yes. What are the 3 things people are not supposed to discuss? Seems like it's sex, politics and religion (the things people are really interested in)
I'm sure the Civil War is on the list somewhere. MOD saved me from posting a long tale about a great grandfather which would have bored the hell out of everybody.
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We can talk about sex.
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I'm sure the Civil War is on the list somewhere. MOD saved me from posting a long tale about a great grandfather which would have bored the hell out of everybody.
I'll go. I have a GGG uncle, who migrated from New Brunswick Canada, with his older brother and wife, in 1856. Settled near Minneapolis.
Went to Wisconsin or Michigan, joined Union forces. His Baptistt faith opposed slavery.
He was blinded in battle, held POW, exchanged and returned home, to marry his fiancée and live out his days in Anoka Minn.
"Samuel Patterson Starrett
Source: History of Anoka County and the Towns of Champlin and Dayton in Hennepin County, Minnesota, by Albert M. Goodrich (1905) Transcribed by A. Newell.
Samuel Patterson S..... was born Sept. 27, 1835, at Caledonia, N. B., and came to Minnesota in 1856, settling at Monticello, where he farmed for four years, and went to the copper country at Lake Superior. He enlisted for the Civil War in the First Michigan Volunteer Infantry, and served thirteen months. He was shot through the head and lost his eyesight in battle, was taken prisoner and retained at Libby Prison for a time. He was soon after exchanged and discharged and returned to Michigan, where he was nursed back to health and strength. Again he returned to Monticello, where he was married June 2, 1863, to Jane L. J.... of that place, the girl who remained faithful to vows made before the sad affliction. The couple spent three years in Michigan, but removed to Anoka in 1866. Mr. S.... was appointed postmaster Feb. 4, 1868, and served nearly five years. Children: Fannie A., Carrie L. (Mrs. F. A. Piper, Minneapolis), and Alice M. "
http://genealogytrails.com/minn/anoka/bios-p.html (http://genealogytrails.com/minn/anoka/bios-p.html)
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John Dewey should have been on this list.
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John Dewey should have been on this list.
When did he depart this world?
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I don't know if J. F'n Kerry should be at the top of the list, but there is something I can say about him:
John Kerry:
A traitor in war, a traitor in peace, and a traitor to the hearts of his countrymen...
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When did he depart this world?
Early 50s. He fits well within the 80-year limit, unlike Woodrow Wilson.
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Early 50s. He fits well within the 80-year limit, unlike Woodrow Wilson.
Well he definitely did enough to be on the list IMHO.
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Gee, all ten are Democrats. I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
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Well he definitely did enough to be on the list IMHO.
We're still suffering from the after-effects of the Wilson Presidency.
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I'm pretty pissed at C.A. Arthur for creating the "Civil Service" cocoon that has enabled the army of bureaucrats to eat out our substance. But you're right, Wilson was probably in the top ten of rotten Presidents. Thank Goodness the Senate had the good sense to refuse admission to the foolish LoN.
If you would put Wilson on the list, don't leave out this guy: Edward Mandell house (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_M._House)
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@INVAR
I highly doubt we are going to abolish the forms to which we have become accustomed. Such is history and human nature, and a very rare thing that happens.
Either we get back to the basics and abolish those forms, or they will, in time, abolish us.
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Nope! One hell of a lot of people hold that opinion including myself.
Ditto. And when the dust had settled, we no longer had a Federal Government, but a National Government.
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A serious question: Is there a nation in Europe, or a State in our Union, that has done the requisite "shuttering?"
I just heard a commentator on the radio, note that governments at all levels, enact scores of laws, which overtime stay on the books, yet go unenforced.
In turn he stated that situation contributes to loss of respect for "rule of law," and for government in general.
Keep in mind that a lot of Federal Laws have either required States to legislate in a particular manner, or made funding conditional on such legislation. Unfunded mandates abound.
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We're still suffering from the after-effects of the Wilson Presidency.
Definitely and grossly so!
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If you would put Wilson on the list, don't leave out this guy: Edward Mandell house (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_M._House)
I wouldn't leave anyone associated with the Wilson administration out personally! Edward Bernays in particular!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
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Either we get back to the basics and abolish those forms, or they will, in time, abolish us.
Few actually allow themselves to consider that. We are invincible in their minds apparently, except when a Democrat is running for high office - then the nation's survival is at stake.
But foundational principles as 'basics'? Nah, we don't need 'em they tell us.
Heck, just had a member here argue with me that it is absolutely necessary for Trump to lie to the American people, in order to 'keep us safe'.
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Few actually allow themselves to consider that. We are invincible in their minds apparently, except when a Democrat is running for high office - then the nation's survival is at stake.
But foundational principles as 'basics'? Nah, we don't need 'em they tell us.
Heck, just had a member here argue with me that it is absolutely necessary for Trump to lie to the American people, in order to 'keep us safe'.
I really don't see departure from the seminal principles of our republic as keeping anything but a few specific and narrow interests "safe". If we discard our true national identity, we are not the nation that was founded, but something else. Considering that we were indeed blessed with a rare group of men who placed the welfare of their posterity above and beyond their personal interests, pledging their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to that cause and often divested of he former two as a result, they retained that honor in creating a unique and wonderful Republic. As those principles are discarded, with rare exception, the result is not improvement, but decay, and the rot has been growing.
If the body is to continue to exit or even flourish, the rot, the corruption, needs to be removed so it can heal. Discarding principle, however, is the equivalent of cutting away the healthy flesh and keeping the rot.
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If we discard our true national identity, we are not the nation that was founded, but something else.
Sadly, even self-identifying Conservatives have conceded that we have moved past what we were founded to be, and need to move forward, and stop looking backwards. To quote a Republican Party Hack justifying Big Government Liberalism, deficit spending, abortion and homosexual marriage.
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[quote author=truth_seeker link=topic=32641
Oh, I've got so many from my genealogy, but I just want to say that the sickening numbers of casualties from the War Between the States does not tell the whole story.
Your ancestor was blinded. Mine was rendered deaf from cannon fire and died young probably from the war.
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@TomSea
Two things:
!. Never try to put words in my mouth that I never said.
2. You STILL don't know what the hell you are taking about and insist on displaying the fact!
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REDACTED
@Axeslinger, please refer to my comment upthread:
Please stick to the topic. This is not a thread about the Civil War, nor the relative morality of the two sides. Further comments along those lines will be deleted in whole.
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For body count Margret Sanger is a top 10.
:)
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Actually, I think John Roberts belongs, too. In the unConstitutional rewriting of legislation, he managed to allow the ACA (Obamacare) to stand, costing millions of Americans their health insurance, and countless dollars in costs incurred by not only those who had to pay out of pocket for health care, but the countless dollars more it cost those with insurance to keep it. Neither the economic damage nor human cost can be assessed, and it is ongoing despite some tepid efforts to mitigate some of the damage.
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For body count Margret Sanger is a top 10.
:)
Sanger fits into the time frame too, since she didn't die until 1966.
She should be Number One. Her influence has killed millions of lives and damaged millions more.
No one has done more damage than she.
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For body count Margret Sanger is a top 10.
:)
Interesting nominee. But she didn't do it alone.
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Interesting nominee. But she didn't do it alone.
The white woman who killed more Blacks than anyone else.
And she did it due to race inferiority. Racist to the Core.
Place a statue of Margaret Sanger whenever a Confederate
statue comes down.
:)
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It's hard to imagine anybody besides Ted Kennedy at #1 ... truly an evil man in every respect. Fortunately I was unborn (or too young to care) when he got most of his airtime.
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It's hard to imagine anybody besides Ted Kennedy at #1 ... truly an evil man in every respect. Fortunately I was unborn (or too young to care) when he got most of his airtime.
All the Kennedy men were dirtbags. Unfortunately, they were fairly good looking guys.
And all the Kennedy women were enablers.
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It's hard to imagine anybody besides Ted Kennedy at #1 ... truly an evil man in every respect. Fortunately I was unborn (or too young to care) when he got most of his airtime.
I dunno. Kennedy didn't actually do anything to the country because he never got the power he wanted so badly. So I don't see him on the list.
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The white woman who killed more Blacks than anyone else.
And she did it due to race inferiority. Racist to the Core.
Place a statue of Margaret Sanger whenever a Confederate
statue comes down.
:)
Very few people know that about Margaret Sanger. It needs to be more widely known so that all these hyper-liberal women who support abortion know its origins.
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I dunno. Kennedy didn't actually do anything to the country because he never got the power he wanted so badly. So I don't see him on the list.
Like hell he didn't! He was the undisputed leader in the borking of Judge Bork and that's enough for any one lifetime although that's FAR from all he did!
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I dunno. Kennedy didn't actually do anything to the country because he never got the power he wanted so badly. So I don't see him on the list.
I have him on the list just for being the mindless meat-seeking missile that he was.
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I have him on the list just for being the mindless meat-seeking missile that he was.
That works for me.
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Very few people know that about Margaret Sanger. It needs to be more widely known so that all these hyper-liberal women who support abortion know its origins.
You know, I think most hard core leftists know about Margaret Sanger and just don't care.
I've believed for a long time that liberalism, at its core is racist and elitist, so the fact that she wanted to eliminate "inferior" human beings, including minorities and the poor, wouldn't bother them a bit.
Her quotes about her purpose are widely known, but it doesn't stop the left from deifying her nonetheless.
The more I think about it, the more I think she belongs at the top of the list of those who have destroyed America.
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Very few people know that about Margaret Sanger. It needs to be more widely known so that all these hyper-liberal women who support abortion know its origins.
Margaret Sanger was a turd. With all due respect.
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I dunno. Kennedy didn't actually do anything to the country because he never got the power he wanted so badly. So I don't see him on the list.
Really?
Were you alive when he Borked Robert Bork?
Were you alive when he decided to helped to instigate a new quota system in 1965 allowing inferior peoples to become citizens?
Were you alive when he controlled the Senate to squash Republican attempts under Reagan?
In facts, where were you?
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:cool:
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Now all y'all need is beer for your horses...
and horses.
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Really?
Were you alive when he Borked Robert Bork?
Were you alive when he decided to helped to instigate a new quota system in 1965 allowing inferior peoples to become citizens?
Were you alive when he controlled the Senate to squash Republican attempts under Reagan?
In facts, where were you?
I may have been on this earth but I don't really remember Teddy being a key figure in those things you mentioned. But I'll take your word for it.
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I may have been on this earth but I don't really remember Teddy being a key figure in those things you mentioned. But I'll take your word for it.
Kennedy was a dirt bag and that was his high point. All
downhill since. I speak of Teddy, but the other boys
had similar issues. Family traits.
Sorry if I offended any Catholics.
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Kennedy was a dirt bag and that was his high point. All
downhill since. I speak of Teddy, but the other boys
had similar issues. Family traits.
Sorry if I offended any Catholics.
:)
JFK was POTUS, not Pope. We have had plenty of Protestant dirtbags for POTUS, but their dirtbag status wasn't dependent on their claimed religion, it was because they were dirtbags.
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Here's some more on Teddy 10 years ago. One evil man.
Lion in Winter
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/ted-kennedy-chappaquiddick-scandal-legacy/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/ted-kennedy-chappaquiddick-scandal-legacy/)
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Ted Kennedy is definitely at the top of my list. Without exception, every single piece of key legislation he pushed through Congress over the course of almost five decades caused irreparable harm to the United States.
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Actually, I think John Roberts belongs, too. In the unConstitutional rewriting of legislation, he managed to allow the ACA (Obamacare) to stand, costing millions of Americans their health insurance, and countless dollars in costs incurred by not only those who had to pay out of pocket for health care, but the countless dollars more it cost those with insurance to keep it. Neither the economic damage nor human cost can be assessed, and it is ongoing despite some tepid efforts to mitigate some of the damage.
Come to think of it, the fact that the author did not mention a single Supreme Court justice, even an honorable mention, shows how lazy this list was. No mention of Earl Warren, Hugo Black or William Brennan, the architects of modern judicial activism who did so much to literally destroy by edict the federal republic as we knew it, blatantly misrepresenting the 14th Amendment and using it as their cudgel? With as much cultural grouching as he does, you'd think Anthony Kennedy would make the list somehow.
Also, the guy peddles in so many dubious conspiracy theories it's hard to take him seriously.
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Come to think of it, the fact that the author did not mention a single Supreme Court justice, even an honorable mention, shows how lazy this lisat was. No mention of Earl Warren, Hugo Black or William Brennan, the architects of modern judicial activism who did so much to literally destroy by edict the federal republic as we knew it, blatantly misrepresenting the 14th Amendment and using it as their cudgel? With as much cultural grouching as he does, you'd think Anthony Kennedy would make the list somehow.
Also, the guy peddles in so many dubious conspiracy theories it's hard to take him seriously.
@jmyrlefuller
Absolutely right. The list was ill considered at best.
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July 29, 2018
The 10 Most Destructive Americans of My 8 Decades
By Frank Hawkins
America has undergone enormous change during the nearly eight decades of my life. Today, America is a bitterly divided, poorly educated and morally fragile society with so-called mainstream politicians pushing cynical identity politics, socialism and open borders. The president of the United States is threatened with impeachment because the other side doesn’t like him. The once reasonably unbiased American media has evolved into a hysterical left wing mob. How could the stable and reasonably cohesive America of the 1950s have reached this point in just one lifetime? Who are the main culprits? Here’s my list of the 10 most destructive Americans of the last 80 years.
10) Mark Felt – Deputy director of the FBI, aka “Deep Throat†during the Watergate scandal. This was the first public instance of a senior FBI officially directly interfering in America’s political affairs. Forerunner of James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe.
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/07/the_10_most_destructive_americans_of_my_8_decades.html#ixzz5YizzX16q (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/07/the_10_most_destructive_americans_of_my_8_decades.html#ixzz5YizzX16q)
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Spoiler alert: John Kerry is number 1
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Ted Kennedy no. 1 running away. Barack Obama runner up.
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Spoiler alert: John Kerry is number 1
Yeah. I remember when this was 1st posted back in July!
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Ted Kennedy no. 1 running away. Barack Obama runner up.
Are you still mad about being left out of the Waitress sandwich?
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Limiting myself to my 7+ decades the list is:
1. Lyndon Baines Johnson
2. William Jefferson Clinton
3. Hillary Rodam
4. Teddy Kennedy
5. Jimmy Carter
PS: If I weren't so lazy I would write an alternative history book that has Barry Goldwater defeating LBJ and how the country and the world looks today as a result.
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Are you still mad about being left out of the Waitress sandwich?
Nope. In fact I've never worked in food service.
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authorizingSorry, but Bill Clinton is by far number one. Between his coziness with China, failure to deal with bin Laden,
@edpc
You can't mention Bubba without mentioning his partner in Treason,Poppy Bush. Poppy put together the deals with China for a part of the take.
How did FDR not make the list? New Deal policies still weigh us down today.
Good question. Him and his commie wife were nothing less than traitors.
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I think this author had a very personal dislike for Kerry's actions during Vietnam. I imagine Kerry hurt more of his friends and comrades than anybody else on the list.
@Cyber Liberty
I will argue that the unarmed VN mother and her small children he bragged about gunning down with a 50 caliber machine gun from the deck of his patrol boat were the most hurt. He writes it was ok to do this because they were traveling in a "free fire zone" where no one is supposed to be. MOST people would have pulled the boat up to a bank and questioned her,maybe even arrested her and the children and took them to the nearest SVN authorities,but not John Wayne Kerry! He just fired them up with his 50 cal.
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BTW,the author's generation gap is showing when he whines about Jimi Hendrix and Janis. Neither was responsible in any respect for creating the so-called "drug revolution". There were mere footsoldiers,not generals.
In FACT,Jimi Hendrix had been a paratrooper in the 101st Airborne Division.
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BTW,the author's generation gap is showing when he whines about Jimi Hendrix and Janis. Neither was responsible in any respect for creating the so-called "drug revolution". There were mere footsoldiers,not generals.
In FACT,Jimi Hendrix had been a paratrooper in the 101st Airborne Division.
Jerry Rubin had a bunch to do with that, spreading the Timothy Leary gospel of "tune in, turn on, and drop out" (before flying across the country to make another appearance). How he afforded to do that while "dropping out" is somewhat unclear.... Leary himself gets a big chunk of credit, there.
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Jerry Rubin
Famous quote: "Don't trust anyone over thirty."
Today it is: Don't trust anyone UNDER thirty.
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Who relit this dumpster fire anyway?
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@sneakypete was defending Jimi Hendrix. Which is appropriate, IMHO.
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Who relit this dumpster fire anyway?
The wind came up......Glowbull worming.....blame seeyohtoo.
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Who relit this dumpster fire anyway?
The Talking Heads. Burning Down the House.
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Famous quote: "Don't trust anyone over thirty."
Today it is: Don't trust anyone UNDER thirty.
@The Ghost
There is a lot to recommend both points of view.
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@Bigun
Thanks! 888high58888
Both of us having been long time members of TOS, I think we can safely say that agreement includes them too. Even if JR can be a chicken-sh*t.
Yeah, I don't post on TOS anymore but I do check them out frequently. They still bring up stuff you don't see anywhere else.
JR lost it in 2012 and I left and I came back before the last primary and was forced out again. He can be a total asshat.
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Oh, here we go again, defending the evil of slavery. How noble, I'll want to read all of your posts. I don't think that's backed up realistically, everyone knew Lincoln was going to end slavery.
By the way, some would put your favorite father and son presidents on the list as well, at least the son.
OMG, I left this thing in July and people are still crazy. Slavery was on the way out and would have been over in 50 years without the incredible loss of life and division of our country. It's naive to believe Lincoln stopped slavery.