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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Polly Ticks on September 22, 2020, 02:34:41 pm
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Louisville Metro Police Department officials are taking steps to "physically restrict access to the downtown area" in anticipation of Cameron's announcement.
In a 3:30 a.m. release, a department spokesman said in order to keep downtown safe for "those coming downtown to express their First Amendment Rights, as well as those who live and work in the area," police are putting up vehicle barricades around Jefferson Square Park (the site of ongoing protests) and across the downtown perimeter and will restrict access even further near the park, with only pedestrian access allowed.
Louisville police cut off downtown access with barricades ahead of Breonna Taylor decision (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/09/22/louisville-police-restrict-access-downtown-anticipating-breonna-taylor-decision/5862836002/)
Time to batten down the hatches.
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Pretty obvious that none of the police are going to get charged over this.
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Pretty obvious that none of the police are going to get charged over this.
There was never any chance they'd be charged with murder, and nothing less than a murder charge would satisfy the most militant of the activists. Add to that that there are always anarchists ready to jump in on the looting and burning that will almost certainly ensue, and it has the potential to get more than a little bit ugly.
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There was never any chance they'd be charged with murder, and nothing less than a murder charge would satisfy the most militant of the activists. Add to that that there are always anarchists ready to jump in on the looting and burning that will almost certainly ensue, and it has the potential to get more than a little bit ugly.
I'd be surprised if there are any charges at all, much less murder.
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Police attempt to raid an apartment and announce their presence. They are fired on by people inside the apartment, one of whom is a convicted drug dealer, provoking a response in turn by the police whereby Breonna Taylor gets killed by police bullets.
Once again, criminals, or people who associate with criminals, get themselves killed, and the "woke" crowd blames the police.
Point to me one instance where the police simply shot a totally innocent black person who was just minding his or her business, and I'll have a little sympathy for their cause.
Oh yes, there's one I can remember. In the Twin Cities a few years ago a black, Somali policeman shot dead a woman named Justine Damond because she startled him by knocking on the window of the police car he was in.
Oh, cancel that. Since Damond was white, she doesn't count to the "woke" crowd.
Her death was totally ignored by the "woke" ignorati.
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https://freedomwire.com/breonna-taylor-facts/
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Police attempt to raid an apartment and announce their presence.
The claim they announced their presence. The surviving resident of the apartment claims that they didn't identify themselves.
They are fired on by people inside the apartment, one of whom is a convicted drug dealer, provoking a response in turn by the police whereby Breonna Taylor gets killed by police bullets.
Rather careless on their part considering she wasn't shooting at them and there is some dispute whether she was even in the same room where the shooting happened.
Once again, criminals, or people who associate with criminals, get themselves killed, and the "woke" crowd blames the police.
Associating with criminals is a capital offense in Kentucky is it?
Point to me one instance where the police simply shot a totally innocent black person who was just minding his or her business, and I'll have a little sympathy for their cause.
I have no problem with police using appropriate force when called for. It's a dangerous job and sometimes lethal measures are required. I do have a problem with police resort to deadly force as a first resort and not a last one. And the background of the suspect shouldn't matter, because if it does then why not shoot suspects out of hand?
Oh yes, there's one I can remember. In the Twin Cities a few years ago a black, Somali policeman shot dead a woman named Justine Damond because she startled him by knocking on the window of the police car he was in.
Oh, cancel that. Since Damond was white, she doesn't count to the "woke" crowd.
Her death was totally ignored by the "woke" ignorati.
You are aware that the police officer in question was tried, convicted, and is in jail right?
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Time to batten down the hatches.
I love Louisville. Damn.
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The claim they announced their presence. The surviving resident of the apartment claims that they didn't identify themselves.
Rather careless on their part considering she wasn't shooting at them and there is some dispute whether she was even in the same room where the shooting happened.
Associating with criminals is a capital offense in Kentucky is it?
I have no problem with police using appropriate force when called for. It's a dangerous job and sometimes lethal measures are required. I do have a problem with police resort to deadly force as a first resort and not a last one. And the background of the suspect shouldn't matter, because if it does then why not shoot suspects out of hand?
You are aware that the police officer in question was tried, convicted, and is in jail right?
But were there nationwide riots?
None of this is really relevant (there's room for dispute). What is relevant is there is likely to be a riot if anything short of First Degree Murder gets charged. In fact, I'd bet a riot is likely even if they do. Antifa/BLM loves them some rioting....
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What is relevant is there is likely to be a riot if anything short of First Degree Murder gets charged. In fact, I'd bet a riot is likely even if they do. Antifa/BLM loves them some rioting....
I would not bet against you. Neither would the many, many downtown businesses who have boarded up and/or shut down in preparation.
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The claim they announced their presence. The surviving resident of the apartment claims that they didn't identify themselves.
Rather careless on their part considering she wasn't shooting at them and there is some dispute whether she was even in the same room where the shooting happened.
Associating with criminals is a capital offense in Kentucky is it?
I have no problem with police using appropriate force when called for. It's a dangerous job and sometimes lethal measures are required. I do have a problem with police resort to deadly force as a first resort and not a last one. And the background of the suspect shouldn't matter, because if it does then why not shoot suspects out of hand?
You are aware that the police officer in question was tried, convicted, and is in jail right?
Surviving resident claim the police didn't announce himself? Gee whiz, what do you think he'd say?
She might not have been in same room? So the police are supposed to know exactly where she was when they entered? When the bullets were flying at them the police were supposed to know where she was?
Associating with criminals can get you killed as Taylor should have known. Many totally innocent people have been killed in drug wars. But how do you know she was innocent?
The police resort to deadly force as a first resort? They were fired upon first by Taylor's criminal/thug boyfriend. What would you do?
My point (that I didn't make clear) was that white people didn't run out and riot when Damond was killed by the policeman. Black people do...even when a thug shoots himself as what happened in Minneapolis a week or so ago.
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What time do you figure the 1st mostly peaceful weenie roast fire will be set?
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But were there nationwide riots?
So if there is no riot then it's all OK? A sheriffs deputy down in Sedalia pulled over a young white girl not too long ago. He shot and killed her, claiming he threatened him. No dash cam. No body cam. No weapon found in the car. The girl had no warrants out and had no criminal history of violent actions. The authorities ruled the shooting justified. Nobody rioted so I guess it's all fine with what the deputy did. But a girl is dead and all we have is the deputy's word for it.
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So if there is no riot then it's all OK? A sheriffs deputy down in Sedalia pulled over a young white girl not too long ago. He shot and killed her, claiming he threatened him. No dash cam. No body cam. No weapon found in the car. The girl had no warrants out and had no criminal history of violent actions. The authorities ruled the shooting justified. Nobody rioted so I guess it's all fine with what the deputy did. But a girl is dead and all we have is the deputy's word for it.
Please quote the point where I said no riot would make it "all OK." Cease with the purely emotional arguments, we're not Democrats here. We think, and leave the emoting to the Dems.
You are arguing the facts of the case (which I am not), and I say they are not relevant to the discussion about "When and where will there be a riot?"
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So if there is no riot then it's all OK? A sheriffs deputy down in Sedalia pulled over a young white girl not too long ago. He shot and killed her, claiming he threatened him. No dash cam. No body cam. No weapon found in the car. The girl had no warrants out and had no criminal history of violent actions. The authorities ruled the shooting justified. Nobody rioted so I guess it's all fine with what the deputy did. But a girl is dead and all we have is the deputy's word for it.
I wonder if you could post a link about this? It might be helpful.
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I wonder if you could post a link about this? It might be helpful.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article245699485.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article245699485.html)
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@Cyber Liberty
Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron will be announcing the decision in the fatal shooting of 26-year-old Breonna Taylor by Louisville police this afternoon, USA Today/ The Courier Journal has learned.
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But Kentucky State Police cars and orange clones were already blocking off the Kentucky History Center in Frankfort, where the decision was expected to be announced at approximately 1:30 p.m.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/09/23/kentucky-attorney-general-announces-breonna-taylor-decision-wednesday/3502148001/ (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/09/23/kentucky-attorney-general-announces-breonna-taylor-decision-wednesday/3502148001/)
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But Kentucky State Police cars and orange clones were already blocking off the Kentucky History Center in Frankfort, where the decision was expected to be announced at approximately 1:30 p.m.
Orange Clones? Is there a copy of Donald Trump running around? :laugh:
So it's gonna be today. I'll have to be sure and watch this spot at 1:30 EDT, I'll be away from the TeeVee.
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' expected to be announced at approximately 1:30 p.m.'....during Siesta?
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So if there is no riot then it's all OK? A sheriffs deputy down in Sedalia pulled over a young white girl not too long ago. He shot and killed her, claiming he threatened him. No dash cam. No body cam. No weapon found in the car. The girl had no warrants out and had no criminal history of violent actions. The authorities ruled the shooting justified. Nobody rioted so I guess it's all fine with what the deputy did. But a girl is dead and all we have is the deputy's word for it.
You've created a false analogy. I never claimed that police shouldn't be held responsible for what they do.
Obviously, all leos should be as well as anybody else in authority with power over other people's lives.
I'm simply looking at a particular case of the police raiding a home where drug deals had gone down. BTW, Taylor's name was on the warrant, and it's not clear who fired at the police first....her or her boyfriend, a felon.
Did the police do everything perfectly? Maybe not. Further investigation is needed.
But from what we know they had a legal warrant to raid the home, and they were fired upon first.
I sincerely doubt that the police involved were unaware of the current controversy concerning the police and black citizens.
But again if you're a leo performing a legal task and you were fired upon, what would you do? Not fire back? :pondering:
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You've created a false analogy. I never claimed that police shouldn't be held responsible for what they do.
Obviously, all leos should be as well as anybody else in authority with power over other people's lives.
I'm simply looking at a particular case of the police raiding a home where drug deals had gone down. BTW, Taylor's name was on the warrant, and it's not clear who fired at the police first....her or her boyfriend, a felon.
Did the police do everything perfectly? Maybe not. Further investigation is needed.
But from what we know they had a legal warrant to raid the home, and they were fired upon first.
I sincerely doubt that the police involved were unaware of the current controversy concerning the police and black citizens.
But again if you're a leo performing a legal task and you were fired upon, what would you do? Not fire back? :pondering:
The post you quoted is chock-full of emotional arguments. Logic is riding somewhere in the back seat.
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The post you quoted is chock-full of emotional arguments. Logic is riding somewhere in the back seat.
Emotional arguments? Baloney. What arguments did I pose that were emotional? Or I'm going to accuse you of being irrational.
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LEX 18 News
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BREAKING: Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron is reportedly planning to announce the decision in the deadly shooting of Breonna Taylor by Louisville police at 1:30 p.m.
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Emotional arguments? Baloney. What arguments did I pose that were emotional? Or I'm going to accuse you of being irrational.
Clarification: I was not referring to any arguments you made.... rrthree
I was addressing the post to which you replied.
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Please quote the point where I said no riot would make it "all OK." Cease with the purely emotional arguments, we're not Democrats here. We think, and leave the emoting to the Dems.
You are arguing the facts of the case (which I am not), and I say they are not relevant to the discussion about "When and where will there be a riot?"
She is also making false statements about the facts of the case....since, according to the link she provided.... there was evidence that the cop told the truth (See below).
But a girl is dead and all we have is the deputy's word for it.
Looks like evidence to me....
Because there was no audio with the nearby business’ video, investigators tried to coordinate the time between dispatch recordings with the footage to give a more complete picture.
In the footage, Fizer was seen moving around her car “vigorously†and bending down, Sokoloff wrote in his letter to the judge. She could be heard yelling at the deputy through dispatch, saying she was going to shoot him, Sokoloff wrote.
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She is also making false statements about the facts of the case....since, according to the link she provided.... there was evidence that the cop told the truth (See below).
Looks like evidence to me....
Since nobody has seen the video but the cops it's hard to say what constitutes 'moving vigorously'. And that does not change the fact that no weapon was found in the car. It adds up to a police officer who panicked, shot an unarmed person, and is facing no charges. What would happen to you or I as civilians under similar circumstances? Or in the Louisville case. If you believed that someone was breaking into your house and you got your gun and fired at them, killing a person living across the street, don't you think that you would be facing charges?
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Since nobody has seen the video but the cops it's hard to say what constitutes 'moving vigorously'. And that does not change the fact that no weapon was found in the car. It adds up to a police officer who panicked, shot an unarmed person, and is facing no charges. What would happen to you or I as civilians under similar circumstances? Or in the Louisville case. If you believed that someone was breaking into your house and you got your gun and fired at them, killing a person living across the street, don't you think that you would be facing charges?
Well, for one thing... I'm not stuckonstupid enough to "move vigorously" around in my car and bend down like I'm pulling something from under the seat if/when a cop has stopped me for "anything".
Considering the current climate of cops getting shot just for being cops, who (other than a dumbass leftie) could blame cops for being a little nervous when someone threatens them by words or by actions and body language.
By siding against the cops, you realize that you are signaling your political leanings here....
right?
And if someone is trying to break into my house, I don't care 'where' they live... they're going to most likely get their ass shot.
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Grand jury in Breonna Taylor case to present findings to Louisville judge at 1:15 p.m. Wednesday
Sep 23, 2020 Updated 1 hr ago
FRANKFORT, Ky. (WDRB) -- The Jefferson County grand jury is scheduled to present its report on the Breonna Taylor case in a Louisville courtroom at 1:15 p.m. Wednesday.
That announcement will be streamed here on WDRB.com. When that time comes, you can watch it below. Mobile users click here.
more
https://www.wdrb.com/news/grand-jury-in-breonna-taylor-case-to-present-findings-to-louisville-judge-at-1-15/article_e8b65b38-fcfc-11ea-9fdb-a796eaede117.html (https://www.wdrb.com/news/grand-jury-in-breonna-taylor-case-to-present-findings-to-louisville-judge-at-1-15/article_e8b65b38-fcfc-11ea-9fdb-a796eaede117.html)
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BREAKING: Kentucky National Guard Activated One Hour Prior to Breonna Taylor Announcement
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breaking-kentucky-national-guard-activated-one-hour-prior-breonna-taylor-announcement/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breaking-kentucky-national-guard-activated-one-hour-prior-breonna-taylor-announcement/)
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One detective,(Hankison ) wanton endangerment, 15k bond.
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The Associated Press
@AP
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BREAKING: Grand jury indicts 1 officer on criminal charges 6 months after Breonna Taylor fatally shot by police in Kentucky
https://apnews.com/28a283922de8784f6fca5c42fe8e5bca?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow
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Kyle Griffin
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Rev. Sharpton: "It does not deal with the fact that the life of Breonna Taylor was taken. It does not address her being a victim, of being killed. The value of her life is not at all addressed ... When we say Black Lives Matter, this indictment says it does not matter." @MSNBC
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Breaking911
@Breaking911
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BREAKING: The Grand Jury has indicted Officer Brent Hankinson on three counts of Wanton Endangerment. No other indictments have been announced. - WRTV
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Matt Walsh
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When the Left is upset about something, we board up our homes and call in the National Guard. There's no "both sides" argument here. Leftism is evil, it's a blight on the Earth, and everything about it is bad.
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Breaking911
@Breaking911
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BREAKING: $15K bond set for officer charged in death of Breonna Taylor
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Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- No officers charged directly in Breonna Taylor's death; 1 faces 3 counts over shooting into neighboring apartments.
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Matt Walsh
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The officers in the Breonna Taylor case had a legal warrant. They knocked and announced themselves, though they didn't have to. The boyfriend shot and they returned fire. There is no basis for any charges, let alone murder. But "protesters" will riot and burn anyway, of course.
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Travis Ragsdale
@TravisRagsdale
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INDICTMENTS IN BREONNA TAYLOR CASE:
Brett Hankison:
-Wanton endangerment (3 counts)
Jonathan Mattingly: Nothing
Myles Cosgrove: Nothing
#BreonnaTaylor announcement
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Madison Dibble
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Protesters have already gathered outside the courthouse following the grand jury's announcement that only one Louisville officer would be charged. More updates will be flowing in from our team @dcexaminer
throughout the day.
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Here we go... Damn. Justice and Due Process will never satisfy the Left.
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World News Tonight
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BREAKING: Kentucky grand jury indicts one officer, Brett Hankison, on three counts of wanton endangerment in the first degree in the shooting case of Breonna Taylor. https://abcn.ws/3kGvcSx
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Matt Walsh
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The officers in the Breonna Taylor case had a legal warrant. They knocked and announced themselves, though they didn't have to. The boyfriend shot and they returned fire. There is no basis for any charges, let alone murder. But "protesters" will riot and burn anyway, of course.
if the f%#€ng rat media did their jobs, if they weren’t determined to ‘change the world’ instead of report the news, we wouldn’t be looking at riots today.
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World News Tonight
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BREAKING: Kentucky grand jury indicts one officer, Brett Hankison, on three counts of wanton endangerment in the first degree in the shooting case of Breonna Taylor. https://abcn.ws/3kGvcSx
To be overturned on appeal. What a farce.
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Cernovich
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Riots gonna happen now huh
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Word to the wise: don't shack up with drug dealers.
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Kyle Griffin
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Rev. Sharpton: "It does not deal with the fact that the life of Breonna Taylor was taken. It does not address her being a victim, of being killed. The value of her life is not at all addressed ... When we say Black Lives Matter, this indictment says it does not matter." @MSNBC
Al Baby has a sock puppet account on TBR, I think. Sounds like something that one would have said.
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Kyle Griffin
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- No officers charged directly in Breonna Taylor's death; 1 faces 3 counts over shooting into neighboring apartments.
Anyone can correct me if I missed something, but Taylor's BF fired on the police officers. The police officers fired back, and a bullet that missed the BF also missed studs in the interior wall and went on to hit and kill Taylor (whose location the officers did not know). Over-penetration is a known phenomenon (and a good reason rifles are not optimal for home defense ... unless that's what you have ready to hand when need arises), but when an officer has bullets flying at him/her, what's (s)he to do? Shoot bean-bags or paint balls?!
BF started the gunfight and is the one solely responsible for Taylor's death, IMO.
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Here we go... Damn. Justice and Due Process will never satisfy the Left.
Let's face facts and reality here. The "only" thing that will ever satisfy the Leftists is when a lynch mob is allowed for anyone (and everyone) that they deem "bad" (or, a threat to their leftist agenda).
In the matter of black vs. white.... they want their black thugs and criminals to be able to conduct their criminal business without any consequences or interference from the police.
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BF started the gunfight and is the one solely responsible for Taylor's death, IMO.
We all know facts don't matter to the left. **nononono*
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Anyone can correct me if I missed something, but Taylor's BF fired on the police officers. The police officers fired back, and a bullet that missed the BF also missed studs in the interior wall and went on to hit and kill Taylor (whose location the officers did not know). Over-penetration is a known phenomenon (and a good reason rifles are not optimal for home defense ... unless that's what you have ready to hand when need arises), but when an officer has bullets flying at him/her, what's (s)he to do? Shoot bean-bags or paint balls?!
BF started the gunfight and is the one solely responsible for Taylor's death, IMO.
Add to that.... if you hang with criminals, you're putting yourself in danger willingly. And thus, when you suffer the consequences of that choice, you have no whine/gripe coming.
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Louisville: Protests Break Out, Gear Unloaded from U-Haul After No Murder Charges in Breonna Taylor Case
many videos
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/23/louisville-protests-break-out-gear-unloaded-from-u-haul-after-no-murder-charges-in-breonna-taylor-case/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/23/louisville-protests-break-out-gear-unloaded-from-u-haul-after-no-murder-charges-in-breonna-taylor-case/)
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BKMK
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Word to the wise: don't shack up with drug dealers.
Actually, I've read details that SHE was the dealer...she rented the cars for her delivery crew to get around, etc..
Just so happens that the warrant was for one of her crew/boyfriend/partner...and with a "no-knock" or "knock-once and ram the door" warrant, whereby the guy opened fire, because they neglected to identify themselves over a loudspeaker that they were the Poe-leece.
Maybe they shouldn't have steamed "The Wire"...and he wouldn't have opened fire on the 'intruders'.
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Breonna Taylor Protesters Run to Parked U-Haul Full of Supplies After Charges Against Cop Announced (VIDEO)
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Breonna Taylor protesters ran over to a parked U-Haul containing supplies for a (possibly violent) demonstration.
According to the reporter on the scene, the U-Haul contained signs, shields, water etc.
more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-protesters-run-parked-u-haul-full-supplies-charges-cop-announced-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-protesters-run-parked-u-haul-full-supplies-charges-cop-announced-video/)
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Breaking911
@Breaking911
BREAKING: Kentucky Attorney General says search warrant executed in #BreonnaTaylor killing was NOT a "no-knock" warrant & officers announced their presence
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They didn't care whether any cop was going to be charged, or not. They were going to riot no matter what.
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UHaul will never see that truck again.. :silly:
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Breaking911
@Breaking911
BREAKING: Kentucky Attorney General says search warrant executed in #BreonnaTaylor killing was NOT a "no-knock" warrant & officers announced their presence
Whaaaat??? You don't mean.... that the criminals at that address lied, do you? Shurely not! *****rollingeyes*****
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Actually, I've read details that SHE was the dealer...she rented the cars for her delivery crew to get around, etc..
Just so happens that the warrant was for one of her crew/boyfriend/partner...and with a "no-knock" or "knock-once and ram the door" warrant, whereby the guy opened fire, because they neglected to identify themselves over a loudspeaker that they were the Poe-leece.
Maybe they shouldn't have steamed "The Wire"...and he wouldn't have opened fire on the 'intruders'.
Independent (i.e. civilian) witnesses confirmed that they DID identify themselves as the police, per AG Cameron.
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They didn't care whether any cop was going to be charged, or not. They were going to riot no matter what.
Going back to my "they wanted a lynch mob' theory.... they knew there wasn't going to be what they wanted...
so they prepared accordingly.
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Whaaaat??? You don't mean.... that the criminals at that address lied, do you? Shurely not! *****rollingeyes*****
Apparently this was no secret. The media wanted riots so they neglected to report it.
CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox - the news media lied to us on purpose. All of them lie all of the time.
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Breonna Taylor Protesters Run to Parked U-Haul Full of Supplies After Charges Against Cop Announced (VIDEO)
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Breonna Taylor protesters ran over to a parked U-Haul containing supplies for a (possibly violent) demonstration.
According to the reporter on the scene, the U-Haul contained signs, shields, water etc.
more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-protesters-run-parked-u-haul-full-supplies-charges-cop-announced-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-protesters-run-parked-u-haul-full-supplies-charges-cop-announced-video/)
And the skateboard...
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Anyone can correct me if I missed something, but Taylor's BF fired on the police officers. The police officers fired back, and a bullet that missed the BF also missed studs in the interior wall and went on to hit and kill Taylor (whose location the officers did not know). Over-penetration is a known phenomenon (and a good reason rifles are not optimal for home defense ... unless that's what you have ready to hand when need arises), but when an officer has bullets flying at him/her, what's (s)he to do? Shoot bean-bags or paint balls?!
BF started the gunfight and is the one solely responsible for Taylor's death, IMO.
And from what I heard the officers actually knocked on the door. And the BF thought it was a burglar. What burglar knocks??? The itchy trigger finger came from the BF and consequences occurred..... Ms Taylor did have associations with a former bf who was into the drug scene.... That whole scene has police officer's hypervigilant, as they should be to protect themselves. I always give my neighborhood police a big "hello"!!!! Sadly, some seem surprised by my gesture. (I live in NYC btw)
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Clarification: I was not referring to any arguments you made.... rrthree
I was addressing the post to which you replied.
Alright. Misunderstanding acknowledged.
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The news is still calling Taylor an EMT worker. She had not worked as one for four years and was fired from her job. She was classified as "not to be rehired."
I believe if you are fired from a particular job, you can't call yourself one. She was an ex-EMT worker.
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Her personnel records show that she worked for the city from January 2016 through November 2016.
She was promoted to become an EMT in June of that year, and worked in that capacity for five months. It was a career her family has said she was proud of.
The documents show she'd called that November and resigned. A termination form also has a box checked stating do not rehire. But, it does not state a reason why that box was checked.
The city said it could not share that information because it’s a personnel matter.
Taylor went on to continue working in the medical field. At the time of her death, she was working for UofL Health as an ER technician. (MSNBC)
Local attorneys for Taylor's family have clarified that she was working as an ER technician at two area hospitals at the time of her March 13 death, with aspirations of becoming a nurse.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/ (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/)
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Actually, I've read details that SHE was the dealer...she rented the cars for her delivery crew to get around, etc..
Just so happens that the warrant was for one of her crew/boyfriend/partner...and with a "no-knock" or "knock-once and ram the door" warrant, whereby the guy opened fire, because they neglected to identify themselves over a loudspeaker that they were the Poe-leece.
Maybe they shouldn't have steamed "The Wire"...and he wouldn't have opened fire on the 'intruders'.
Seems more complicated than media reveals.... https://bluelivesmatter.blue/leaked-docs-claim-breonna-taylor-was-managing-drug-dealing-exs-money-he-used-her-address-as-his/
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They didn't care whether any cop was going to be charged, or not. They were going to riot no matter what.
In celebration or in "protest".
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Matt Walsh
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When the Left is upset about something, we board up our homes and call in the National Guard. There's no "both sides" argument here. Leftism is evil, it's a blight on the Earth, and everything about it is bad.
And I promise you Matt that the good people of this country are NOT going to put up with that for long!
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Anyone can correct me if I missed something, but Taylor's BF fired on the police officers. The police officers fired back, and a bullet that missed the BF also missed studs in the interior wall and went on to hit and kill Taylor (whose location the officers did not know). Over-penetration is a known phenomenon (and a good reason rifles are not optimal for home defense ... unless that's what you have ready to hand when need arises), but when an officer has bullets flying at him/her, what's (s)he to do? Shoot bean-bags or paint balls?!
BF started the gunfight and is the one solely responsible for Taylor's death, IMO.
I agree with you 100% @PeteS in CA
Too bad Hunter Biden isn't just a regular old cop trying to do his damned job and get home to his family. /S
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MSNBC Guest: KY AG Cameron ‘Does Not Speak for Black Folks’ — He’s Skin Folk Not Kinfolk
Pam Key 23 Sep 2020
Former law enforcement officer Cheryl Dorsey declared Wednesday on MSNBC that Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron did not speak for “black folk†because she said, “He is skin folk, but he is not kinfolk.â€
Dorsey was reacting to the grand jury in the Breonna Taylor case charging former Louisville police officer Brett Hankison with three counts of first-degree wanton endangerment earlier.
MSNBC host Ayman Mohyeldin said, “One of the comments that stuck out to me from the attorney general, he said, ‘sometimes the criminal law is not adequate to respond to a tragedy,’ that’s quite a remarkable statement, a striking statement.â€
Dorsey said, “Well, listen, not only is he being intellectually dishonest about that. I find all his remarks to this whole entire press conference offensive. Let me speak to this celebrity influencer thing — oh, they can’t speak for Kentuckians. Let me say this as a black woman — he doesn’t speak for black folk. He is skin folk, but he is not kinfolk. Just like he thinks they can’t speak for Kentucky just because he is up there with a black face, he doesn’t speak for all of us. This was not a tragedy. This was a murder. He should be ashamed of himself.â€
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/09/23/msnbc-guest-ky-ag-cameron-does-not-speak-for-black-folks-hes-skin-folk-not-kinfolk/ (https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/09/23/msnbc-guest-ky-ag-cameron-does-not-speak-for-black-folks-hes-skin-folk-not-kinfolk/)
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They didn't care whether any cop was going to be charged, or not. They were going to riot no matter what.
And that will happen after the election in November as well.
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Surviving resident claim the police didn't announce himself? Gee whiz, what do you think he'd say?
She might not have been in same room? So the police are supposed to know exactly where she was when they entered? When the bullets were flying at them the police were supposed to know where she was?
Associating with criminals can get you killed as Taylor should have known. Many totally innocent people have been killed in drug wars. But how do you know she was innocent?
The police resort to deadly force as a first resort? They were fired upon first by Taylor's criminal/thug boyfriend. What would you do?
My point (that I didn't make clear) was that white people didn't run out and riot when Damond was killed by the policeman. Black people do...even when a thug shoots himself as what happened in Minneapolis a week or so ago.
If she wasn't in an iron bathtub, it likely didn't matter if she was in the same room. For instance: Back to 9mm, he tries out a hollowpoint 124-grain Remington Golden Saber Black Belt +P round (about 1400 fps). That bullet went through 17 layers of sheet rock, shredding their back surfaces similarly to the 223 bullet. Expansion of the hollow point was minimal, which is to be expected in a non-hydraulic medium (drywall instead of meat).
source (https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/10/09/drywall-penetration-9mm-vs-223-vs-22-lr/)
If she was close to in line with the shooters and their target, even in another room, death was a possible outcome. Accounts say she was behind the boyfriend, in the hallway.
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Word to the wise: don't shack up with drug dealers.
pointing-up THIS! pointing-up
The 'thug life' may seem attractive to 'bad girls', money, drugs, being "cool" as glorified in a lot of Rap music, but the reality is pretty nasty, and can be fatal. That fatality can arise from deals gone bad, attempts to rob the dealer of drugs and/or money, or any number of problems that arise in a dysfunctional environment.
In this case, the active ingredient was a police raid, and that is subject to scrutiny, unlike those killed in shootings done by other thugs.
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Anyone can correct me if I missed something, but Taylor's BF fired on the police officers. The police officers fired back, and a bullet that missed the BF also missed studs in the interior wall and went on to hit and kill Taylor (whose location the officers did not know). Over-penetration is a known phenomenon (and a good reason rifles are not optimal for home defense ... unless that's what you have ready to hand when need arises), but when an officer has bullets flying at him/her, what's (s)he to do? Shoot bean-bags or paint balls?!
BF started the gunfight and is the one solely responsible for Taylor's death, IMO.
Even assuming that the B/F thought that he was being robbed, the question arises of whether that believed robbery or invasion was due to the B/F's possible interactions with others who engage in criminal activities. Just responding gun in hand indicates there was cause to believe someone wanted to break in and proactive defense against that someone was thought to be necessary, for whatever reason.
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Breonna Taylor Protesters Run to Parked U-Haul Full of Supplies After Charges Against Cop Announced (VIDEO)
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_4639-1-600x319.jpg)
Breonna Taylor protesters ran over to a parked U-Haul containing supplies for a (possibly violent) demonstration.
According to the reporter on the scene, the U-Haul contained signs, shields, water etc.
more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-protesters-run-parked-u-haul-full-supplies-charges-cop-announced-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-protesters-run-parked-u-haul-full-supplies-charges-cop-announced-video/)
Rent-a-riot...
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Officer involved in Breonna Taylor shooting posts $15,000 bail within hours of being booked
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/517906-officer-involved-in-breonna-taylor-shooting-posts-15000-bail-within
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Y'all, pray for Louisville. I was watching the LMPD live feed on FB and they just had a shooting downtown. At least one officer is down.
Now showing up on local news:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/metrosafe-lmpd-officer-shot-at-brook-and-broadway-in-downtown-louisville/article_8236bf40-fdfd-11ea-8fd2-d3f4b95b0f33.html (https://www.wdrb.com/news/metrosafe-lmpd-officer-shot-at-brook-and-broadway-in-downtown-louisville/article_8236bf40-fdfd-11ea-8fd2-d3f4b95b0f33.html)
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Y'all, pray for Louisville. I was watching the LMPD live feed on FB and they just had a shooting downtown. At least one officer is down.
Now showing up on local news:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/metrosafe-lmpd-officer-shot-at-brook-and-broadway-in-downtown-louisville/article_8236bf40-fdfd-11ea-8fd2-d3f4b95b0f33.html (https://www.wdrb.com/news/metrosafe-lmpd-officer-shot-at-brook-and-broadway-in-downtown-louisville/article_8236bf40-fdfd-11ea-8fd2-d3f4b95b0f33.html)
Cop shot.
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Y'all, pray for Louisville. I was watching the LMPD live feed on FB and they just had a shooting downtown. At least one officer is down.
Now showing up on local news:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/metrosafe-lmpd-officer-shot-at-brook-and-broadway-in-downtown-louisville/article_8236bf40-fdfd-11ea-8fd2-d3f4b95b0f33.html (https://www.wdrb.com/news/metrosafe-lmpd-officer-shot-at-brook-and-broadway-in-downtown-louisville/article_8236bf40-fdfd-11ea-8fd2-d3f4b95b0f33.html)
My prayers for sure. I lived in New Albany, IN and worked in Louisville for 3+ years. Each day, I loved it more. I shed more than one tear when we left. But that’s beside the point. Prayers for all.
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I said it before, and I'll say it again: popular demand is not a means to get somebody arrested. That's not how the criminal justice system works.
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I said it before, and I'll say it again: popular demand is not a means to get somebody arrested. That's not how the criminal justice system works.
Correct. It's how mob rule works, and this shit has got to stop.
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Well, for one thing... I'm not stuckonstupid enough to "move vigorously" around in my car and bend down like I'm pulling something from under the seat if/when a cop has stopped me for "anything".
Define 'moving vigorously'. Since nobody is allowed to see the tape then it's a nebulous term.
Considering the current climate of cops getting shot just for being cops, who (other than a dumbass leftie) could blame cops for being a little nervous when someone threatens them by words or by actions and body language.
Then why not open fire as soon as she stopped the car?
By siding against the cops, you realize that you are signaling your political leanings here....
right?
Wrong.
And if someone is trying to break into my house, I don't care 'where' they live... they're going to most likely get their ass shot.
And if you did and one of the rounds went wild and killed someone in the house across the street wouldn't you be facing criminal charges?
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Anyone can correct me if I missed something, but Taylor's BF fired on the police officers. The police officers fired back, and a bullet that missed the BF also missed studs in the interior wall and went on to hit and kill Taylor (whose location the officers did not know). Over-penetration is a known phenomenon (and a good reason rifles are not optimal for home defense ... unless that's what you have ready to hand when need arises), but when an officer has bullets flying at him/her, what's (s)he to do? Shoot bean-bags or paint balls?!
BF started the gunfight and is the one solely responsible for Taylor's death, IMO.
Then why were all charges against the boyfriend dropped?
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A Just Decision Not to File Homicide Charges in the Tragic Breonna Taylor Case
By Andrew C. McCarthy
September 24, 2020 6:30 AM
The criminal law is not designed to address every human tragedy. That is the lesson of the tragic death of Breonna Taylor. It was also the theme repeatedly struck by Kentucky attorney general Daniel Cameron on Wednesday, in announcing the indictment of one of the three officers involved in the raid that lead to her death.
The charge will not satisfy the mob. Neither the peaceful protesters nor the radical rioters, who have taken to the streets since shortly after Ms. Taylor was killed on March 13, are interested in the facts of the case. They could not care less how the law applies to the evidence a Lexington grand jury pored over this week. Their interest is only to set in stone a distorted narrative: Police officers on the hunt for a young black man, callously gunned down an innocent young black woman after supposedly crashing into an apartment without warning.
In light of that, the indictment will just fuel the mob’s outrage. The two officers who actually shot Ms. Taylor a total of six times were not charged. The indictment, instead, lodges three counts of wanton endangerment — not homicide — against Brett Hankison, then a detective (since fired), whose wild firing put neighbors in harm’s way but did not kill the young woman. ...
How they came to be at Ms. Taylor’s home, with a search warrant based on probable cause that evidence of narcotics crimes would be found, is the part of the story the social-justice warriors would have us omit. It needs telling.
When she was killed, Breonna Taylor was 26, a hospital emergency-room technician who hoped to become a nurse. But over the years, she had gotten involved with Glover, a 30-year-old twice-convicted drug dealer. Though never a targeted suspect, the New York Times reports that Ms. Taylor was entangled in the frequent police investigations of Glover. ...
Read article at National Review (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-case-just-decision-not-to-file-homicide-charges/)
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No one can quarrel with the grand jury’s conclusion that Hankison deserved to be charged because of his life-threatening recklessness. In another case, since he did not actually injure anyone, the state might have been content with firing Hankison. But the enormity of Ms. Taylor’s death made such leniency impossible to rationalize.
What? Is he actually saying that since no crime was committed in killing Ms. Taylor then someone had to be charged with something so they drummed up reckless action charges? And expected that to make the mob happy? Really?
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If that's how you want to interpret it, okay.
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Even assuming that the B/F thought that he was being robbed, the question arises of whether that believed robbery or invasion was due to the B/F's possible interactions with others who engage in criminal activities. Just responding gun in hand indicates there was cause to believe someone wanted to break in and proactive defense against that someone was thought to be necessary, for whatever reason.
If someone was breaking into your house would you wonder if maybe they mistakenly thought it was due to possible interactions with criminal activity? I highly doubt it. If someone is breaking into your house, or my house, or any rational person's house, the first inclination is that you need to protect yourself. And grabbing a gun is certainly the way to do it.
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If that's how you want to interpret it, okay.
How do you interpret it?
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A Just Decision Not to File Homicide Charges in the Tragic Breonna Taylor Case
By Andrew C. McCarthy
September 24, 2020 6:30 AMRead article at National Review (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-case-just-decision-not-to-file-homicide-charges/)
I feel better about the wanton endangerment charge after reading this. The cop was a putz for blazing away at the apartment window from the parking lot, even though he hit nothing.
The rest of the case ended exactly as it should have.
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I feel better about the wanton endangerment charge after reading this. The cop was a putz for blazing away at the apartment window from the parking lot, even though he hit nothing.
Why? According to the story the usual penalty for wanton endangerment when nobody is killed or injured is to fire the cop in question, which they did. Why are charges warranted in this particular case?
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Why? According to the story the usual penalty for wanton endangerment when nobody is killed or injured is to fire the cop in question, which they did. Why are charges warranted in this particular case?
Because I thought they were charging him for returning fire in the immediate area of the threat, not from a parking lot outside.
Didn't say I agreed with him being charged at all.
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Why? According to the story the usual penalty for wanton endangerment when nobody is killed or injured is to fire the cop in question, which they did. Why are charges warranted in this particular case?
The mob wants blood.
White blood.
Cop blood.
They want vengeance.
After all, that's what they have been incited to seek.
(A new TV might be a bonus).
Charges don't mean squat in the long run, acquittal washes that away, for the most part.
A cop getting fired is something, a nibbly for the ravenous mob, but hardly enough in the voracious atmosphere of 'being owed'.
"No justice. No peace."
Don't expect either.
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If she wasn't in an iron bathtub, it likely didn't matter if she was in the same room. For instance: source (https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/10/09/drywall-penetration-9mm-vs-223-vs-22-lr/)
If she was close to in line with the shooters and their target, even in another room, death was a possible outcome. Accounts say she was behind the boyfriend, in the hallway.
9mm is approximately .375 inches diameter. for ANY kind of expansion it needs to be traveling at a minimum of 1250 ft/sec Going through two sheets of sheetrock it is lucky to be traveling around 700 ft/sec. Hitting a human body at that speed will still deliver about 150 ft/lbs of energy.
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Then why were all charges against the boyfriend dropped?
That you feel the need to ask that tells me a lot about your real-world experience, or lack thereof.
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Updated: Officers shot, protests escalate after Breonna Taylor probe yields no direct charges for police
AP, CNN Sep 23, 2020 Updated 10 hrs ago
Hours after a Kentucky grand jury brought no charges against Louisville police for Breonna Taylor's death and protesters took to the streets, authorities said two officers were shot and wounded Wednesday night during the demonstrations expressing anger over the killings of Black people at the hands of police.
Interim Louisville Police Chief Robert Schroeder said a suspect was in custody but did not offer details about whether that person was participating in the demonstrations. He says both officers are expected to recover, and one is undergoing surgery.
He says the officers were shot after investigating reports of gunfire at an intersection where there was a large crowd.
https://godanriver.com/news/national/officer-shot-protests-escalate-after-breonna-taylor-probe-yields-no-direct-charges-for-police/article_8f2ea0c0-9906-594a-a854-17ed048c7e71.html#utm_source=godanriver.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletter-templates%2Fbreaking&utm_medium=PostUp&utm_content=c9ff0a021cd0681270d677c58a6c48aca48df43f
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That you feel the need to ask that tells me a lot about your real-world experience, or lack thereof.
Uhhh.... there's another explanation for the inane questions. Just sayin..... :whistle:
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9mm is approximately .375 inches diameter. for ANY kind of expansion it needs to be traveling at a minimum of 1250 ft/sec Going through two sheets of sheetrock it is lucky to be traveling around 700 ft/sec. Hitting a human body at that speed will still deliver about 150 ft/lbs of energy.
Depends on the construction. Is that 5/8 sheetrock or 3/8 sheetrock? Construction codes commonly call for the former, but the latter is often slipped in to enhance profits.
(https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/handgun-bulletnov15-4-844x1024.jpg)
However I would contend that after passing through two sheets of wallboard (both sides of an interior wall), most 9mm bullets would be capable of inflicting a fatal wound.
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Because I thought they were charging him for returning fire in the immediate area of the threat, not from a parking lot outside.
They charged him with reckless endangerment because his shots went wild and hit the apartment next door. The National Review article said the penalty in the Louisville PD for reckless endangerment when nobody is killed or injured is getting fired. And they did that. If no crime was committed in the course of the incident then why the need to charge him? Doesn't make sense.
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The mob wants blood.
White blood.
Cop blood.
They want vengeance.
After all, that's what they have been incited to seek.
(A new TV might be a bonus).
Charges don't mean squat in the long run, acquittal washes that away, for the most part.
A cop getting fired is something, a nibbly for the ravenous mob, but hardly enough in the voracious atmosphere of 'being owed'.
"No justice. No peace."
Don't expect either.
And if the Louisville authorities thought charging the cop with reckless endangerment would satisfy the mob they they truly are clueless.
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That you feel the need to ask that tells me a lot about your real-world experience, or lack thereof.
Well then by all means enlighten me.
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They charged him with reckless endangerment because his shots went wild and hit the apartment next door. The National Review article said the penalty in the Louisville PD for reckless endangerment when nobody is killed or injured is getting fired. And they did that. If no crime was committed in the course of the incident then why the need to charge him? Doesn't make sense.
The gods require a sacrifice to the volcano. That's why there remains a charge, it's to placate the mobs. We are entering into a period of mob rule, and that never ends well.
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Define 'moving vigorously'. Since nobody is allowed to see the tape then it's a nebulous term.
Sorry... As a former frequent flyer with several law enforcement agencies, I can tell you with great certainty, that moving AT ALL approaches 'moving vigorously'.
If you've got a jacket, you keep your hands in plain view, with NO movement other than what is approved by the LEO. Especially if the guns are out. You have two options: comply completely, or die.
Business is business... and everybody knows the business. If you want to be treated fairly, then show some professionalism. Even as a frequent flyer of sorts, my interactions with LEOS (in a few states) has been relatively benign. Even friendly.
If you want to get knocked around, be a threat, and they'll get it done. If you want to fall up the stairs a few times, then RUN. Make them chase you all over hell's half acre. No wonder you knocked your head getting into the car and fell up the stairs. and if you want to DIE, don't show your hands... make surreptitious movements... Pull a weapon. What happens next is certainly no surprise.
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Well, the response of the police from being shot at should be obvious...they should start shooting back.
Of course, that's a tricky proposition when confronting a mob. They just can't start firing into crowds.
But anytime they see some thug or thugs throw molotov cocktails, rocks, and other dangerous objects as well as shoot guns at them, they should be allowed to shoot back.
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The gods require a sacrifice to the volcano. That's why there remains a charge, it's to placate the mobs. We are entering into a period of mob rule, and that never ends well.
And again, if the Louisville authorities thought that charging the officer with these endangerment charges would placate the mob then they really are stupid.
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And if the Louisville authorities thought charging the cop with reckless endangerment would satisfy the mob they they truly are clueless.
He will walk on the charges. And nothing placates a mob. Louisville authorities brought the charges they could. And those charges are weak. That says a whole lot about the shooting.
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And if the Louisville authorities thought charging the cop with reckless endangerment would satisfy the mob they they truly are clueless.
Couple things...it wasn't Louisville authorities that charged the former officer...the investigation and subsequent charges were investigated and brought by the Commonwealth AG office.
And it wasn't done to assuage the mob. The charge was appropriate for the offense and the only one that could logically be brought in this situation.
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They charged him with reckless endangerment because his shots went wild and hit the apartment next door. The National Review article said the penalty in the Louisville PD for reckless endangerment when nobody is killed or injured is getting fired. And they did that. If no crime was committed in the course of the incident then why the need to charge him? Doesn't make sense.
According to the attached article the cop charged was not in with the other two, but out in the parking lot firing up at the window from which he had heard shots being fired, hitting nothing.
Not worthy of criminal charges perhaps, but stupid nonetheless.
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And again, if the Louisville authorities thought that charging the officer with these endangerment charges would placate the mob then they really are stupid.
You are talking about a city government that just paid the family of the Breona person $12 Million. You can draw a good conclusion from that.
(As an aside, your observation about the intelligence of trying to placate a mob is best thing you've had to say on this topic yet.)
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You are talking about a city government that just paid the family of the Breona person $12 Million.
Maybe the most under-reported aspect of this thing.
For a supposedly over-wrought with grief family, they sure took the money quick.
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According to the attached article the cop charged was not in with the other two, but out in the parking lot firing up at the window from which he had heard shots being fired, hitting nothing.
Not worthy of criminal charges perhaps, but stupid nonetheless.
Just to clarify a little more on this...
The officer charged wasn't charged for any bullets that hit Taylor or that apartment. The three counts of wanton endangerment were for the three rounds from his service pistol that hit the adjoining apartment where three people were living.
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I thought about posting something (perhaps) meaningful but it would just get challenged by a flip-side question. I don't have time for the two-step that entails. Maybe later.
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He will walk on the charges. And nothing placates a mob. Louisville authorities brought the charges they could. And those charges are weak. That says a whole lot about the shooting.
If we can agree that nothing would placate the mob then why bring the joke charges in the first place? Who are they trying to appeal to?
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If we can agree that nothing would placate the mob then why bring the joke charges in the first place? Who are they trying to appeal to?
They are not joke charges. They are legit charges. They're just weak.
Cops operate under protocols similar to Rules of Engagement. It is adherence to those protocols that more or less immunize them from charges. That no real charges are proffered indicates those protocols were followed, and the DA cannot get enough traction to level anything serious, which he would if he could in the present environment.
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Couple things...it wasn't Louisville authorities that charged the former officer...the investigation and subsequent charges were investigated and brought by the Commonwealth AG office.
And it wasn't done to assuage the mob. The charge was appropriate for the offense and the only one that could logically be brought in this situation.
In the National Review article that mountaineer posted a link to, Andrew McCarthy notes that in similar cases of wanton endangerment where nobody was killed or injured the police have generally dealt with it by firing the police officer who committed it. Well the Louisville police did just that, they fired Hankinson months ago. So why charge him now? After all no crime was committed during the incident. Nobody but Taylor was killed, and her death was ruled justified. Nobody is facing charges in this, not even the boyfriend. Why are charges appropriate now and not in past cases? Why should Wilkinson be scapegoated in this?
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Depends on the construction. Is that 5/8 sheetrock or 3/8 sheetrock? Construction codes commonly call for the former, but the latter is often slipped in to enhance profits.
Everything i have worked on (Admittedly not an expect) We used 5/8 exterior walls and 3/8 interior. The AutoCAD Program I have here at school shows the same thing.
However I would contend that after passing through two sheets of wallboard (both sides of an interior wall), most 9mm bullets would be capable of inflicting a fatal wound.
Absolutely, I was jsut commenting that you would not get the usual/ expected expansion.
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They are not joke charges. They are legit charges. They're just weak.
Cops operate under protocols similar to Rules of Engagement. It is adherence to those protocols that more or less immunize them from charges. That no real charges are proffered indicates those protocols were followed, and the DA cannot get enough traction to level anything serious, which he would if he could in the present environment.
If he can't level anything serious then why level anything at all? Isn't losing his job and career punishment enough for Wilkinson?
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Depends on the construction. Is that 5/8 sheetrock or 3/8 sheetrock? Construction codes commonly call for the former, but the latter is often slipped in to enhance profits.
(https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/handgun-bulletnov15-4-844x1024.jpg)
However I would contend that after passing through two sheets of wallboard (both sides of an interior wall), most 9mm bullets would be capable of inflicting a fatal wound.
Just for clarities sake let's say that your typical interior wall these days is 3.5" wide with 1/2" of sheetrock on either side. 10 inches of wall board penetration = 10 typical interior walls. Unless the baby is in a cast iron bassinet two rooms over he is NOT safe which is why a shotgun loaded with HV #4 shot is FAR better for home defense purposes.
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If we can agree that nothing would placate the mob then why bring the joke charges in the first place? Who are they trying to appeal to?
They weren't "joke charges" He blindly fired his weapon without clearly knowing what or who he was aiming at. Three rounds from his .40 caliber service weapon struck the adjoining apartment where three people were residing and could have been killed.
This officer violated the most basic tenets of shooting taught the moment someone learns to shoot a gun. He deserved to be punished in some way for what he did.
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If he can't level anything serious then why level anything at all? Isn't losing his job and career punishment enough for Wilkinson?
You keep asking the question, and I think it's been answered. The AG had to come up with something/anything to charge in order to placate the mob, and as you have noted, that's stupid. Bureaucrats do stupid things every day.
To be clear: "No, firing him was not enough to placate the mob that controls the bureaucrats."
The fact that all that pre-positioned rioting gear was broken out so quickly suggests the mob was not about to be placated, even if the AG filed a charge of First Degree Murder against the cop. They planned on rioting last night no matter what.
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If he can't level anything serious then why level anything at all? Isn't losing his job and career punishment enough for Wilkinson?
No. I think he is obligated to charge what he can. When all he figured he could make stick was 'reckless endangerment', there was no 'there' there. And the reckless charge probably won't stick either in the end.
So what I gather from that is that this was a righteous shoot, performed well within protocols.
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In the National Review article that mountaineer posted a link to, Andrew McCarthy notes that in similar cases of wanton endangerment where nobody was killed or injured the police have generally dealt with it by firing the police officer who committed it. Well the Louisville police did just that, they fired Hankinson months ago. So why charge him now?
Because that's what the AG of Kentucky chose to do in this case. There was a city (s one say recently fired) city employee killed in the raid so that elevated things as well. They charged him now because they've spent the last several months since the shooting doing ballistics and a top to bottom through investigation of the entire incident to include ballistic investigations by the state police as well as the FBI ballistics experts in Quantico.
Unlike what you see on TV those investigations take months to do properly. They charged once all the evidence was gathered and analyzed.
Just like it should have been done.
After all no crime was committed during the incident. Nobody but Taylor was killed, and her death was ruled justified. Nobody is facing charges in this, not even the boyfriend. Why are charges appropriate now and not in past cases? Why should Wilkinson be scapegoated in this?
You aren't from around here are you? There was a crime committed in the fact that Taylor's boyfriend fired first and hit an officer and the officer nearly bled out.
The whole reason for the raid in the first place was because drugs were being sold out of that apartment.
And finally the officer in question reckless and blindly fired his weapon hitting an adjoining apartment where three people were living and could have been struck.
I don't care about past cases or how other DA's or AG's did things. That's a distraction on your part.
All I care about right now is this case and how it was handled.
And this was the proper thing to do in this case.
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You keep asking the question, and I think it's been answered. The AG had to come up with something/anything to charge in order to placate the mob, and as you have noted, that's stupid. Bureaucrats do stupid things every day.
To be clear: "No, firing him was not enough to placate the mob that controls the bureaucrats."
The fact that all that pre-positioned rioting gear was broken out so quickly suggests the mob was not about to be placated, even if the AG filed a charge of First Degree Murder against the cop. They planned on rioting last night no matter what.
The firing was not enough nor would it ever have been enough to placate the mob.
The families to include the parents of the officers involved have had to be relocated and placed under protected custody to protect themselves from the mob.
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So what I gather from that is that this was a righteous shoot, performed well within protocols.
The Taylor shooting isn't even in play here. Appearently the AG's office thinks that it was a righteous shoot.
The officer was charged for the three rounds he fired that went into a neighbors apartment.
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They weren't "joke charges" He blindly fired his weapon without clearly knowing what or who he was aiming at. Three rounds from his .40 caliber service weapon struck the adjoining apartment where three people were residing and could have been killed.
But nobody was killed and nobody was hurt. Unless there is a history of Louisville officers being charged of this kind of actions in the past then why charge him now?
This officer violated the most basic tenets of shooting taught the moment someone learns to shoot a gun. He deserved to be punished in some way for what he did.
He was. He was fired.
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The Taylor shooting isn't even in play here. Appearently the AG's office thinks that it was a righteous shoot.
The officer was charged for the three rounds he fired that went into a neighbors apartment.
Right. I get that.
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You keep asking the question, and I think it's been answered. The AG had to come up with something/anything to charge in order to placate the mob, and as you have noted, that's stupid. Bureaucrats do stupid things every day.
As I said before, only a complete idiot would think that charges like these would placate the mob. So in addition to doing something stupid he compounds it by making a scapegoat out of Wilkinson.
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As I said before, only a complete idiot would think that charges like these would placate the mob. So in addition to doing something stupid he compounds it by making a scapegoat out of Wilkinson.
You say that like it's "impossible stupid." I maintain that's it's entirely possible the bureaucrats are that stupid. It's noteworthy almost all of the Democrat Party's politicians are that stupid, as witnessed by their public utterances since George Floyd.
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You aren't from around here are you? There was a crime committed in the fact that Taylor's boyfriend fired first and hit an officer and the officer nearly bled out.
If there was a crime then why isn't anyone being charged? All the charges against Kenneth Walker were dropped.
The whole reason for the raid in the first place was because drugs were being sold out of that apartment.
Yet no drugs were found and the postal inspector said that their support of the law enforcement investigation uncovered no packages of interest ever being delivered to the address.
And finally the officer in question reckless and blindly fired his weapon hitting an adjoining apartment where three people were living and could have been struck.
But nobody was struck, and the officer was fired. Punishment enough, don't you think?
I don't care about past cases or how other DA's or AG's did things.
Not surprise.
All I care about right now is this case and how it was handled.
And this was the proper thing to do in this case.
Why is it proper? How often have any Louisville police officers been charged for similar actions?
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You say that like it's "impossible stupid." I maintain that's it's entirely possible the bureaucrats are that stupid. It's noteworthy almost all of the Democrat Party's politicians are that stupid, as witnessed by their public utterances since George Floyd.
Um, the Kentucky Attorney General is a Republican.
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If he can't level anything serious then why level anything at all?
You sound like a tax attorney masquerading as a criminal attorney. It ain't working.
(Wanton endangerment) It is a Class D felony, the lowest of four classes of felonies. The maximum sentence is five years; the minimum is one year. If convicted, Hankison faces five years imprisonment for each count, Attorney General Daniel Cameron said at a press conference Wednesday.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/23/us/wanton-endangerment-charge-breonna-tayler/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/23/us/wanton-endangerment-charge-breonna-tayler/index.html)
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Um, the Kentucky Attorney General is a Republican.
So? Does being a Republican automatically install common sense? LOL!
Look, you are beginning to sound like a contradictory Troll, and that's not a good look to a Moderator. We do arguments here, not simple refutation of everything people say.
@RedHead
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Right. I get that.
Ok just making sure. :beer: It took me a few minutes yesterday for it to process that the officer wasn't being charged with an bullets that hit Miss Taylor.
According to the autopsy she was dead within seconds from the first bullet that struck her.
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If there was a crime then why isn't anyone being charged? All the charges against Kenneth Walker were dropped.
You'd have to ask the mayor and the DA.
And were she still alive you could ask Taylor why she dropped the domestic abuse charges against Kenneth walker a couple weeks prior to the shooting.
Had she not done that she'd still be alive today.
And you didn't answer the initial question.
Yet no drugs were found and the postal inspector said that their support of the law enforcement investigation uncovered no packages of interest ever being delivered to the address.
But nobody was struck, and the officer was fired. Punishment enough, don't you think?
No. Not when it comes to fire arms. One of the hard and fast rules is know what you're aiming at and what's behind what you're aiming at. This officer did neither.
If I'd fired one of my weapons that recklessly not only would I most likely lose my concealed carry license I'd be facing charges and confiscation of my firearms.
Not surprise.
Trying to inject other cases from other jurisdictions is a distraction and/or a straw man argument on your part.
It's lame. Try harder.
Why is it proper? How often have any Louisville police officers been charged for similar actions?
Asked and sneered a couple times already. And again a straw man on your part.
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But nobody was killed and nobody was hurt. Unless there is a history of Louisville officers being charged of this kind of actions in the past then why charge him now?
Your argument is ridiculous on its face. And you're doing some serious red herring fishing here.
You take each case individually based on the merits of that case and that case only.
Is it that hard for you to understand or are you just being purposefully obtuse?
He was. He was fired.
And as I explained already...that's not a proper punishment for what he did.
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You may be fine with scapegoating but I'm not.
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Ok just making sure. :beer: It took me a few minutes yesterday for it to process that the officer wasn't being charged with an bullets that hit Miss Taylor.
According to the autopsy she was dead within seconds from the first bullet that struck her.
I am interested to see if this 'reckless' charge has any weight... I don't see the whole 'cop firing blindly through a window' thing as being very likely...
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So? Does being a Republican automatically install common sense? LOL!
I have never believed that to be true, and I'm constantly reminded I'm right.
Look, you are beginning to sound like a contradictory Troll, and that's not a good look to a Moderator. We do arguments here, not simple refutation of everything people say.
@RedHead
How do you argue if you never disagree with what the other person said?
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I am interested to see if this 'reckless' charge has any weight... I don't see the whole 'cop firing blindly through a window' thing as being very likely...
Yeah I'm curious to see where that goes in court. But from what AG Cameron was saying about the ballistics reports they identified three rounds from Officer Hankinson's service pistol as the ones that entered the neighboring apartment.
It's a thin reed for the prosecution to build their case on...but it's still there.
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How do you argue if you never disagree with what the other person said?
If you don't want to heed a warning, that's fine by me.
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The Taylor shooting isn't even in play here. Appearently the AG's office thinks that it was a righteous shoot.
The officer was charged for the three rounds he fired that went into a neighbors apartment.
I'm picturing what happened regarding this officer.
He's not at the door. Rather, he was down in the parking lot in front of the building...WHICH IS ATTACHED to another address (4-8 units)
IOW...the farthest bedroom down the hall abuts to the farthest BR in the other building. There is usually no visible line of demarcation on the facade such as a firewall, etc..
He sees his fellow officers suddenly all emptying their clips as if THEY were all targets...and decided to help them out by firing into the glass windows.
Trouble is, some shots went into another unit altogether.
Sound plausible? :shrug:
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I'm picturing what happened regarding this officer.
He's not at the door. Rather, he was down in the parking lot in front of the building...WHICH IS ATTACHED to another address (4-8 units)
IOW...the farthest bedroom down the hall abuts to the farthest BR in the other building. There is usually no visible line of demarcation on the facade such as a firewall, etc..
He sees his fellow officers suddenly all emptying their clips as if THEY were all targets...and decided to help them out by firing into the glass windows.
Trouble is, some shots went into another unit altogether.
Sound plausible? :shrug:
More than plausible. Pretty close to what the AG said happened.
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You sound like a tax attorney masquerading as a criminal attorney. It ain't working.
:pondering:
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More than plausible. Pretty close to what the AG said happened.
...was thinking that it's lucky he is...that there weren't any curious 'neighbors' in that unit looking out those BR windows.
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You sound like a tax attorney masquerading as a criminal attorney. It ain't working.
LOL! Top shelf!! :beer:
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LOL! Top shelf!! :beer:
888blackhat
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And again, if the Louisville authorities thought that charging the officer with these endangerment charges would placate the mob then they really are stupid.
Yep, but if they hadn't charged someone, they would not be able to say that there ..."found signs of wrongdoing and the offending officer has been disciplined (dismissed) and faces criminal charges."
That, compared to the response of "no wrongdoing" eliminates the ability of the agitators to claim the systemic racism they harp on and foment even more emotional balderdash to rile up the mob. While it won't placate them (nothing will, they had the stuff on the truck already), it does take some of the wind out of their sails by putting a dent in the narrative BLM has been spewing.
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Just for clarities sake let's say that your typical interior wall these days is 3.5" wide with 1/2" of sheetrock on either side. 10 inches of wall board penetration = 10 typical interior walls. Unless the baby is in a cast iron bassinet two rooms over he is NOT safe which is why a shotgun loaded with HV #4 shot is FAR better for home defense purposes.
Note the frangible ammo is a good alternative, just don't hit the wrong person.
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Yeah I'm curious to see where that goes in court. But from what AG Cameron was saying about the ballistics reports they identified three rounds from Officer Hankinson's service pistol as the ones that entered the neighboring apartment.
It's a thin reed for the prosecution to build their case on...but it's still there.
Oh no doubt the ballistics are there - I just want to hear his side of that story. That just ain't done. So I immediately question the accusation. Could be so, and if so, he gets what he deserves.
But I had a friend who was charged similarly for not watching his downrange, and 'endangering people'. Turns out he could identify everything in the downrange from memory and timed his shot accordingly. Therein, charges were dropped.
Perhaps that is where my skepticism derives for media and 'media aware' DA/AG lawyer types :shrug:
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Suspect charged in shooting that injured 2 LMPD officers downtown
WLKY (https://www.wlky.com/article/lmpd-officer-wounded-in-downtown-shooting/34133637#)
Updated: 9:33 AM EDT Sep 24, 2020
A suspect is in custody after two Louisville Metro police officers were wounded in a shooting Wednesday evening downtown.
He's been identified as Larynzo Johnson. He's charged with 14 counts of wanton endangerment on police officer and two counts of assault on police officer. ...
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Larynzo? How much did his momma hate him to saddle him with that name?
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BREAKING: ANTIFA Caught RED-HANDED – This Is Treason
By
patriotsignal
September 24, 2020
(Gateway Pundit) – The U-Haul that began distributing riot supplies in Louisville immediately following the announcement that no officers would be charged for Breonna Taylor’s death was rented to Holly Zoller of the Louisville Bail Initiative.
The pre-parked truck was loaded with shields painted with anti-police messages, umbrellas, gas masks, and other riot supplies.
Zoller confirmed it was her in a phone call from a concerned citizen who pretended to work for the rental company. You can listen to it in full at the end of this article.
https://patriotsignal.com/breaking-antifa-caught-red-handed-this-is-treason/
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Where in the Constitution does it say assemblies must be peac....... Oops sorry right there in the first amendment.
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BREAKING: ANTIFA Caught RED-HANDED – This Is Treason
By
patriotsignal
September 24, 2020
(Gateway Pundit) – The U-Haul that began distributing riot supplies in Louisville immediately following the announcement that no officers would be charged for Breonna Taylor’s death was rented to Holly Zoller of the Louisville Bail Initiative.
The pre-parked truck was loaded with shields painted with anti-police messages, umbrellas, gas masks, and other riot supplies.
Zoller confirmed it was her in a phone call from a concerned citizen who pretended to work for the rental company. You can listen to it in full at the end of this article.
https://patriotsignal.com/breaking-antifa-caught-red-handed-this-is-treason/
Oh, goody! Charge her with accessory to each and every charge arising from any rioting pursuant to and using equipment from the U-Haul.
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Oh, goody! Charge her with accessory to each and every charge arising from any rioting pursuant to and using equipment from the U-Haul.
Louisville Bail Initiative = George Soros.
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Louisville Bail Initiative = George Soros.
Understood. Charge him, too. Freeze/seize his funds...after all, it's the money committing the crime, just like drug money.
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Understood. Charge him, too. Freeze/seize his funds...after all, it's the money committing the crime, just like drug money.
RICO
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RICO
That, too!