As they are already announcing on social media, people will either have to get on their “Trump train” or get run over.
GBR has not been spared some of the same sentiment.
Trump has created a cult and looks more and more like Hitler every day.
Trump has created a cult and looks more and more like Hitler every day.
Trump has created a cult and looks more and more like Hitler every day.
Banning an entire religious group from a nation has been seen before in history.
Is that your best post possible ??
There are probably Trump supporters among your neighbors, friends, family. Do you call them names like that to their faces, or just behind the anonymity of the internet ??
You are spouting the exact same thing as the Bernie mobs, the Black Lives Matter mobs, etc.
I suggest you reconsider who you associate with, and where you find your material.
Oh for Pete's sake this is just ridiculously over the top nonsense.Erickson has to have bodyguards because of the threatening messages from those who don't like what he's written. Is that over the top, too?
My thoughts are based on what I see and that is the best reality that I have. When I see Trump making fun of a man for questioning the vulgarity he uses in the presence of children it makes an impact on me. When I see Trump flaunt his money by saying he will pay legal fees for people. It impacts my thoughts about him and how it has worked up his followers to be equally vulgar offensive and violent. And yes I can see similarities to Hitler. Sorry but its true. He worked up his followers to be his force for his Nazi government. Without his supporters he would not have been able to commit genocide. He created a line. Us and them.
You know nothing about life in Germany those times. Or Italy either. Did you know that it was Mussolini that inspired Hitler?
Have you ever talked with ordinary people from either country, from those times ??
You really ought to get out, with your anti-Trump compadres, and block some streets, demonstrate and riot, call people Hitler, etc.
It will work great. Or better, study history. Look at 1968 and the democrat convention in Chicago. Those people shouted Hitler, etc.
Good luck with history. Some of us know a whole lot more than you, and we know you are entirely off base.
It is the people OPPOSED to Trump, that are acting out fascism right now on live TV.
Trump has created a cult and looks more and more like Hitler every day.
Trump has created a cult and looks more and more like Hitler every day.
It is the people OPPOSED to Trump, that are acting out fascism right now on live TV.True, but I'll bet not a single one is a Republican. They're leftwingers. Perhaps your fellow posters here at GBR shouldn't be falsely accused of supporting them.
When a Holocaust survivor writes that they see similarities in Trump's campaign and his experiences in WWII... it puts your claim to rest.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,199108.0.html
Carling, please change your signature. It constitutes a personal attack on a fellow poster.
What does Gene have to say about the very real and very current Holocaust against Christians occurring in Iraq, Syria, NIgeria, and other Islamic nations?
I can't find any of his writings on this genocide. Why is that?
So you agree with Gene that Trump is a threat with similarities to the Holocaust. You didn't contest that.
How is posting someone's own words a personal attack? I'll take the name off of it but it's 100% a factual post.Take out the name and/or "dumbest post ever." It's really isn't that complicated.
Take out the name and/or "dumbest post ever." It's really isn't that complicated.Yet nothing to the OP of that comment?This place is sinking faster into the muck each day. Members getting time outs defending themselves and the OP are getting NOTHING. Since this is the kind of place you all want.....stew in your own juices.
Yet nothing to the OP of that comment?This place is sinking faster into the muck each day. Members getting time outs defending themselves and the OP are getting NOTHING. Since this is the kind of place you all want.....stew in your own juices.No timeout was threatened in this instance, just a request. But personal attacks are not tolerated no matter who makes them.
I just want to say it doesn't bother me though that a Trump supporter would call my post dumb.
Mod1 was right. I don't think that this site would allow any member to post another's name. I just want to say it doesn't bother me though that a Trump supporter would call my post dumb. Trump is trashing our Constitution himself. He has already threatened to control what media prints. Just one example. Another to register people of a certain religion. It is his own words that draw the nuts from the liberal left wing. I am not out protesting. I don't care.
That's fair enough and it's because you're an adult. However, it shouldn't be allowed to stand because it drags down the rest of the forum.
That's fair enough and it's because you're an adult. However, it shouldn't be allowed to stand because it drags down the rest of the forum.
HonestJohn wrote above:
"I said this months ago. When he called for a ban of an entire religious group from our nation."
I was calling for it a decade ago.
I continue to call that all muslims be removed from dar al-harb and returned to dar al-islam.
(Do you know what those two terms mean? If not, you should.)
I'm finally gratified that someone running for president is bold enough to speak something similar.
When a Holocaust survivor writes that they see similarities in Trump's campaign and his experiences in WWII... it puts your claim to rest.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,199108.0.html
A sample of one. I know another sample of one, that would have said no such thing.
A man that grew up in Italy, was conscripted into Mussolini's army, taken POW, escaped and eventually legally immigrated to the US. Very patriotic, and very conservative.
He was very proud of his legal immigration, and spoke out strongly about illegal immigration. And my estimate is that he would oppose the lax security which resulted in muslim terrorists gaining entry.
HonestJohn wrote above:
"I said this months ago. When he called for a ban of an entire religious group from our nation."
I was calling for it a decade ago.
I continue to call that all muslims be removed from dar al-harb and returned to dar al-islam.
(Do you know what those two terms mean? If not, you should.)
I'm finally gratified that someone running for president is bold enough to speak something similar.
Which muslim terrorists got entry because of lax security on illegal immigration?Lax security for muslim entries:
Lax security for muslim entries:
Most or all 9/11/2001 mass murderers. The Boston Marathon mass murderering brothers. The San Bernardino mass murdering wife.
I thought this thread would be about Islam in the western world.
Nice priorities, sinkspur. :pondering:
Yes yes Bill, it's so adult to call Trump Hitler and his supporters cult members. So very adult!
I thought this thread would be about Islam in the western world.
Threats of violence from Trump supporters are abhorrent but I doubt they are representative of most of his supporters. Also, it would not be above dimocrap operatives to stir the pot and post threats. Classic Alinsky tactic.
The differences may be cosmetic at best.
Dem Operatives... Trump Supporters....
not much of a difference
Never mind Trump as Hitler. That is not the point. Does Trump use this "convert or die" method, "die" meaning that he will ruin you in whatever way he can, not that he will murder you. Obviously he does.@RAT Patrol
Interesting this just popped back up. I was told in no uncertain times the other night on the comments section of a Breitbart article I would be 'peppered with holes' if Trump loses (not even a general comment but directed). Luckily I give zero credence to internet cowboys.
Just today, here on this site, another Trump supporter was saying that they'd be hunting down #NeverTrump with dogs after the election (if their god loses).
The post has been removed, so I can't link to it. But here's the link to my response, so you can read their 'glory'.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,226193.msg1067546.html#msg1067546
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A more accurate version.
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Trumpsters will hunt never trump down like dogs if Trump loses. Gee, I thought Trump was such a great candidate that he couldn't lose, basically?
Don't blame anyone but yourselves. We all told you how unpopular Trump was. The information was there, you just choose not to hear it.
Let them come.
LOL! Yes. But officer, in this case it's a good thing. savme 88devil 8888madkitty
Erickson has to have bodyguards because of the threatening messages from those who don't like what he's written. Is that over the top, too?
Convert or die is much more appropriate for the death cult masquerading as a religion, islam.
Threats of violence from Trump supporters are abhorrent but I doubt they are representative of most of his supporters. Also, it would not be above dimocrap operatives to stir the pot and post threats. Classic Alinsky tactic.
Dem Operatives... Trump Supporters....
not much of a difference
000hehehehe I think a lot of people feel that way when they see it.
I broke out into a cold sweat.....
That guy is ruthless.
He is a dictator waiting for the November election to become the dictator of the United States and no one on this planet will be safe from him.
They can try......to hunt #nevertrumps down....but they'd better hope like hell that they don't (ever) find most of them. They won't like the outcome.
Trumpsters will hunt never trump down like dogs if Trump loses. Gee, I thought Trump was such a great candidate that he couldn't lose, basically?
Don't blame anyone but yourselves. We all told you how unpopular Trump was. The information was there, you just choose not to hear it.
if Trump loses, it's his fault and his fault alone. I don't care how much Hannity and others whine and threaten blame upon others. Candidates make their case to the voting public. The loser of the election simply means he/she wasn't convincing enough to the majority of voters. No more complicated than that
Just today, here on this site, another Trump supporter was saying that they'd be hunting down #NeverTrump with dogs after the election (if their god loses).
The post has been removed, so I can't link to it. But here's the link to my response, so you can read their 'glory'.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,226193.msg1067546.html#msg1067546
conservatives and grass roots republicans will be hunting Never Trumpers with dogs.
We all know the above because we are sane, rational people who haven't drunk the Trump Kool Aid. But the Trump supporters I've encountered (not on this forum so far, but elsewhere) already have their scapegoats ready, should Trump lose. And they are already threatening those scapegoats with bodily harm. I know -- I'm one of those scapegoats. These supporters have been conditioned to emulate their god. He never accepts blame for his failures either. And like their leader, these Trump supporters are not above threatening anyone who doesn't fall in line.
if Trump loses, it's his fault and his fault alone. I don't care how much Hannity and others whine and threaten blame upon others. Candidates make their case to the voting public. The loser of the election simply means he/she wasn't convincing enough to the majority of voters. No more complicated than that
Isn't it ironic that this poster was threatening those of us who are actually the "conservatives and grass roots republicans" and yet we are the ones that these Trump maniacs, who are neither Conservative nor Republican, will be coming after with dogs?
The guy denied it was a threat...
In all honesty, does anyone actually believe that admittedly stupid comments like that were really meant literally? As in actual dogs hunting down the tens of millions who didn't vote for Trump?Words mean things. There are a lot of people sitting in jail right now for threatening to kill others that had no real intent. they were just mouthy.
I mean, does anyone actually believe that?
In all honesty, does anyone actually believe that admittedly stupid comments like that were really meant literally? As in actual dogs hunting down the tens of millions who didn't vote for Trump?
I mean, does anyone actually believe that?
They can try......to hunt #nevertrumps down....but they'd better hope like hell that they don't (ever) find most of them. They won't like the outcome.
Reminds me the dumb ass dog we had that used to chase porcupines...
This is conservatives ugliest hour.No, but it is Republicans'. The people pulling that crap aren't "conservative" by any stretch of the definition.
In all honesty, does anyone actually believe that admittedly stupid comments like that were really meant literally? As in actual dogs hunting down the tens of millions who didn't vote for Trump?Oddly enough, if someone angry makes a threat to my life, I take it very seriously.
I mean, does anyone actually believe that?
Reminds me the dumb ass dog we had that used to chase porcupines...Cut the quill (for the folks who don't know, they are hollow tubes full of air, and barbed on the business end. If you squeeze the quill, it pressures up and digs the barbs in deeper and makes the quill that much harder to remove). Strip the air out, grab it with pliers and twist slightly (and cry with your dog) as you pull it out (because the sound of that cry will melt any heart). Or go to the vet and have the dog put under for the process, which sometimes you end up doing anyway.
Cut the quill (for the folks who don't know, they are hollow tubes full of air, and barbed on the business end. If you squeeze the quill, it pressures up and digs the barbs in deeper and makes the quill that much harder to remove). Strip the air out, grab it with pliers and twist slightly (and cry with your dog) as you pull it out (because the sound of that cry will melt any heart). Or go to the vet and have the dog put under for the process, which sometimes you end up doing anyway.
And then the damfool dog will do the same thing again next time he runs up on a porcupine...
Words mean things. There are a lot of people sitting in jail right now for threatening to kill others that had no real intent. they were just mouthy.
the problem is that if someone is crazy enough to vote for a known liar, you really can't be sure what other crazy action, like hunting someone down and killing them, that they won't take.
Oddly enough, if someone angry makes a threat to my life, I take it very seriously.
Some keyboard commando stupidly making blanket threats in a public forum just might give some more motivated angry idiot real world ideas.
It only takes one.
For this reason, people are expected to not make threats against the physical being of others on the web in general. Aside from being stupid enough to provide evidence if something should happen to the person they threatened, it is considered by most to be bad form.
I sleep light, anyway, and between that and the dog, won't lose sleep over it. But am always ready to deal with anyone who tries to act on a threat.
So do you believe the poster actually meant that never trumpers would literally be hunted down woth dogs?
Anyone seriously worried about baying hounds tracking down and savaging those who didn't vote for Trump has bigger problems than who is going to win the election.
It was a stupid, chest-thumping post for anyone to make, but it's blindingly obvious that it was meant as a metaphor for paying a political price, not actually hunting people down with dogs.
This is really you guys being as melodramatic as the poster who made that statement in the first place. Not really sure you want to be in that company.
In all honesty, does anyone actually believe that admittedly stupid comments like that were really meant literally? As in actual dogs hunting down the tens of millions who didn't vote for Trump?
I mean, does anyone actually believe that?
So do you believe the poster actually meant that never trumpers would literally be hunted down with dogs?
History teaches us that movements and masses of the kind we saw with Obama and now with Trump are beyond dangerous to a civil society the foundations that unscrupulous men with no morals exploit in their vision of national justice and payback.
I just find it interesting that the very people who tell us that we must do everything to stop the tyrannical threat posed by Hillary, are the same ones threatening punishment, harm, holes, dogs and shooting for treason those of us whom will not genuflect their prince.
Which makes them and their nominee inherently more dangerous to liberty than the one they claim is the danger.
I always enjoy your posts.
Met my 1st real Trump supporter in the breakfast room of a hotel yesterday morning (t-shirt and all). Tried to convert those of us who were hunched over our waffles and coffee trying to wake up. Some tried to ignore him, some tried to respond in a reasonable way. His wife was trying to calm him down. Atticus (the big white beast) stood up all stiff legged, tail curled over his back, hackles up and gave the guy several warning barks. So people applauded the dog and the Trump guy left.
I look forward to living in a world where whether he wins or loses, Trumps supporters are treated like that wherever they go. Shunned by sane people. After the damage they have done already, they deserve no less.
I look forward to living in a world where whether he wins or loses, Trumps supporters are treated like that wherever they go. Shunned by sane people. After the damage they have done already, they deserve no less.
They don't deserve that actually. They deserve the same respect we give anyone for their choices. This is America and you can support who you want. Trump supporters are beat up constantly around the country, if you peruse Trump reddit. Plus their signs are constantly stolen.
I'm not a Trump fan but I do not agree with any of that.
They don't deserve that actually. They deserve the same respect we give anyone for their choices. This is America and you can support who you want. Trump supporters are beat up constantly around the country, if you peruse Trump reddit. Plus their signs are constantly stolen.
I'm not a Trump fan but I do not agree with any of that.
Considering the crap his supporters have pulled? That IS the respect they earned.
That is an insane statement IMO.
Considering the crap his supporters have pulled? That IS the respect they earned.
Everyone who supports Trump does not deserves to be beaten up and have their signs stolen because some other Trump supporters behave poorly.
They "deserve" all the respect they've earned.
Has the concept of judging people as individuals completely vanished?
If you'd direct me to the post I claimed they should I'll be glad to address it.Ok
Considering the crap his supporters have pulled? That IS the respect they earned.
Ok
My point is a fair inference from your statement. You stated what Trump supporters in general deserve, without distibguishing between those who have engaged in poor conduct themselves, and those who have not.
When they act as part of a dangerous mob? Yup. When they take individual responsibility for their actions, and behave like something other than feral animals 'hunting people down with dogs', we can get back to treating them as individuals..
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How is a Trump supporter who does not engage in that behavior supposed to take personal responsibility for things he/she did not do?
The followers of Robespierre would never do stuff like that....
Has the concept of judging people as individuals completely vanished?
They will harass you, censor you, wish for your death, and threaten to kill you if you do not convert.
Donald U Akbar.
Right. Because we are really living in 18th century revolutionary France.
There is a segment of nevertrump that is becoming as detached from reality and reasoned discussion as any rabid Trump supporter.
I hope not. Outside of the fact that my dog reacted to the tension in the room and directed his warning to the angry voice, think about what happened.
In a room full of strangers this man could have spoken about why he is a Trump supporter. Since he had a more or less captive audience, they would have heard. He could have even responded to questions and comments in a reasonable and positive manner. (It's not like anyone was expressing support for Clinton.)
Instead he was loud, angry and abusive. It was my 1st encounter with a Trump supporter. (I've only heard of one in our social and business circles). I imagine the others in the room were just as repelled as I was. As an advocate for Trump the man was an utter failure.
I don't think you can deny that Trump has atraced a large contingent of angry people. People who express very authoritarian ideas. People who express a lack of tolerance for ideas other than there own. Online they issue threats and personal abuse.
What that man apparently did not understand is that to all those souls sitting in that room he represented Trump. His behavior and Clinton's TV ads are all they will ever know of Trump.
Silence is support and approval.
I hope not. Outside of the fact that my dog reacted to the tension in the room and directed his warning to the angry voice, think about what happened.
In a room full of strangers this man could have spoken about why he is a Trump supporter. Since he had a more or less captive audience, they would have heard. He could have even responded to questions and comments in a reasonable and positive manner. (It's not like anyone was expressing support for Clinton.)
Instead he was loud, angry and abusive. It was my 1st encounter with a Trump supporter. (I've only heard of one in our social and business circles). I imagine the others in the room were just as repelled as I was. As an advocate for Trump the man was an utter failure.
I don't think you can deny that Trump has atraced a large contingent of angry people. People who express very authoritarian ideas. People who express a lack of tolerance for ideas other than there own. Online they issue threats and personal abuse.
What that man apparently did not understand is that to all those souls sitting in that room he represented Trump. His behavior and Clinton's TV ads are all they will ever know of Trump.
Right. Because we are really living in 18th century revolutionary France.
There is a segment of nevertrump that is becoming (becoming?) as detached from reality and reasoned discussion as any rabid Trump supporter.
My only quibble with your comment is the bolded insert.
It's been 15 months of rabid neverTrump insults: mockery, derision, sanctimony and bile. Lies about our character, morals, intelligence; and hatred from former collegial folks directed at long time "friends" here at TBR.
And here I thought this was America.
Now the democrats are running against my GOP congressman with the Trump economic issues.
Man you are up cripplecreek without a paddle.
A buddy of mine has a St. Bernard that locked onto one. I cant remember the count but it was north of 100 quills in his face. The dog couldn't drop the porc and between the porc fighting to get away and the dog chomping on it and making matters worse, it was a bloody mess by the time it was over.A friend of mine had a couple of dobies that tangled with one. They only got a couple dozen quills each, but helping get those out was miserable duty--and I wasn't the one stuck. Within a year, they'd done it again...
After the vet extracted the porcupine and it's quills after knocking the dog out, said dog had a face that looked like a balloon for a couple weeks.
Yup. did it again a year or so later.
It seems a lot of Never Trumpers were Never Romneys too; a lot of good their "principled stand" does for Republicans, they helped Obama into office.
And here, this thread is 6 months old or so; like one resurrected in the editorial section, it seems pretty desperate.
There are no police records where one says, Oh, the Trump supporters did this, all one can point to are some fracases at rallies where likely were provoked.
Eric Erichson's positions are themselves questionable.
Team Trump's halos are very tarnished. They are left trying to excuse their own for saying he will "hunt you down like a dog" to anyone not voting Trump. Oh yes. The fault is the #NeverTrumper. How in the world could he feel alarmed by that? /s
Anyone seriously worried about baying hounds tracking down and savaging those who didn't vote for Trump has bigger problems than who is going to win the election.I guess you don't know of anyone ever hunted down with dogs? Where I grew up, K-9 units pursued fugitives routinely.
It was a stupid, chest-thumping post for anyone to make, but it's blindingly obvious that it was meant as a metaphor for paying a political price, not actually hunting people down with dogs.
This is really you guys being as melodramatic as the poster who made that statement in the first place. Not really sure you want to be in that company.
Silence is support and approval.
We ALL see people across the country, including on this very site using pretty direct language like "Take care of", 'Hunt down with dogs etc'. Then we see people like you minimizing it and making excuses. What I don't see is you or any Trump supporter calling them out on being the violent little fascist wannabees they are.
IIRC you argued with me when I said people are responsible for who they vote for.
are gonna argue they arent responsible/don't share responsibility for being silent supporters in the crowd?
Considering the crap his supporters have pulled? That IS the respect they earned.
First, that's ridiculous.
Since it makes it appear as if the "movement" has the people's conplete support. So then it becomes imperative for any such "movement" to silence opposition by any means necessary.The first person in the room who stands up and speaks against something can spur others who were more timid to stand and speak against it as well.
That way any action that the government takes is labeled as justifiable since it is done in behalf of and with the complete support of the people.
That moment when GBR #nevertrump became indistinguishable from liberals.
Not all #nevertrumps say stupid crap like that, but the ones here seem to revel in it.
I'm not a Trumpster, still cannot decided on hwo to proceed in November, but you don't endear me to your cause by saying Trump supporters deserve violence and theft.
That moment when GBR #nevertrump became indistinguishable from liberals.
Not all #nevertrumps say stupid crap like that, but the ones here seem to revel in it.
I'm not a Trumpster, still cannot decided on hwo to proceed in November, but you don't endear me to your cause by saying Trump supporters deserve violence and theft.
Silence/consent is well established as a legitimate maxim.....
So whichever side shuts up first is most likely to get your vote?
Sad to say, but that's probably what happened with me. Removing myself from the nutbags at TOS actually made me more likely to vote for Trump. That's really a terrible reason, but I have to admit it probably affected my thinking.
So whichever side shuts up first is most likely to get your vote?
Sad to say, but that's probably what happened with me. Removing myself from the nutbags at TOS actually made me more likely to vote for Trump. That's really a terrible reason, but I have to admit it probably affected my thinking.
Team Trump's halos are very tarnished. They are left trying to excuse their own for saying he will "hunt you down like a dog" to anyone not voting Trump. Oh yes. The fault is the #NeverTrumper. How in the world could he feel alarmed by that? /s
I'm just stating a fact. It may, and shouldn't, have any bearing on my decision in November. I need to choose what is best for the country. Period.
Ugh....
Is it possible to have just a touch of honesty in these discussions?
Someone saying that "nevertrumpers will be hunt down like dogs" is making a stupid, classless, immature statement. At the same time, nevertrumpers who try to elevate that juvenile bit of hyperbole to an actual threat to literally hunt people down with dogs are being melodramatic, and disingenuous themselves.
Pointing that out is not defending the chucklehead who made the stupid comment in the first place. It is pointing out that nobody is covering themselves with glory in this discussion.
I guess you don't know of anyone ever hunted down with dogs? Where I grew up, K-9 units pursued fugitives routinely.
Anyone seriously worried about baying hounds tracking down and savaging those who didn't vote for Trump has bigger problems than who is going to win the election.
To be fair, Trumpsters don't gain any converts with that crap either. A pox on both your houses!
When I was a newspaper editor, leftist activists tried to burn down my publisher's house with him in it. Fortunately, he woke and only the porch was burned.
Threats can be indications of very serious intent.
When I was a newspaper editor, leftist activists tried to burn down my publisher's house with him in it. Fortunately, he woke and only the porch was burned.
Threats can be indications of very serious intent.
Ugh....I would refer you to the title of the thread. "Convert or Die"?
Is it possible to have just a touch of honesty in these discussions?
Someone saying that "nevertrumpers will be hunt down like dogs" is making a stupid, classless, immature statement. At the same time, nevertrumpers who try to elevate that juvenile bit of hyperbole to an actual threat to literally hunt people down with dogs are being melodramatic, and disingenuous themselves.
Pointing that out is not defending the chucklehead who made the stupid comment in the first place. It is pointing out that nobody is covering themselves with glory in this discussion.
I would refer you to the title of the thread. "Convert or Die"? In that lovely context, physical threats should be called out.
Let the hyperbole remain in the title.
My only quibble with your comment is the bolded insert.
It's been 15 months of rabid neverTrump insults: mockery, derision, sanctimony and bile. Lies about our character, morals, intelligence; and hatred from former collegial folks directed at long time "friends" here at TBR.
And here I thought this was America.
I do believe you're projecting your own behavior onto those who disagree with you.
Criminals, yes. Assuming that state and local police organizations, or even the federal Marshal Service, would start using dogs to hunt down everyone who didn't vote for Trump is just....
Ok, I give up. You guys value this rhetorical point too much to be honest even with yourselves, so expecting you to drop the pretense and discuss this honestly here is too much.
I suggest building a giant bunker in your backyard, with 4 years of food, and a lot of dog treats to lead them off the scent. Maybe you guys will manage to survive.
Good luck!
Please forgive me, don't take this the wrong way.
You seem to still hold out hope that you're arguing with rational folks, people who are thinking of the politics of this race. But, in my humble opinion, #NeverTrump is unconcerned about the very real political fallout to the country of a Hillary presidency.
No, in my opinion #NeverTrump is an organized, collective emotional yelp. Nothing more. In time, as their emotion subsides, reality begins to unclog their thinking and the dominos continue falling.
But I do marvel at your patience. :beer:
Criminals, yes. Assuming that state and local police organizations, or even the federal Marshal Service, would start using dogs to hunt down everyone who didn't vote for Trump is just....Dogs are increasingly used in law enforcement. If the police don't like the way you look and can't come up with any other reason to search your vehicle when you say you would just as soon be on your way, they bring in the dog to sniff for 'probable cause'. Since most cash has some traces of cocaine or other drugs on it, bingo. If they are pursuing a suspect off in the weeds, they bring in the dogs.
Ok, I give up. You guys value this rhetorical point too much to be honest even with yourselves, so expecting you to drop the pretense and discuss this honestly here is too much.
I suggest building a giant bunker in your backyard, with 4 years of food, and a lot of dog treats to lead them off the scent. Maybe you guys will manage to survive.
Good luck!
Please forgive me, don't take this the wrong way.You remind me of the kid who sits behind someone in class and pokes them with a pencil when the teacher isn't looking. Poke, poke, poke, poke... When the kid getting poked has had enough of your crap and gets up and pops you one, you go whining to the teacher.
You seem to still hold out hope that you're arguing with rational folks, people who are thinking of the politics of this race. But, in my humble opinion, #NeverTrump is unconcerned about the very real political fallout to the country of a Hillary presidency.
No, in my opinion #NeverTrump is an organized, collective emotional yelp. Nothing more. In time, as their emotion subsides, reality begins to unclog their thinking and the dominos continue falling.
But I do marvel at your patience. :beer:
Dude, I do apply that to both sides, as you may remember from our recent run-in on another thread....
I think it is a mistake to lump all nevertrump into the same basket, just as it is a mistake to lump all Trump supporters into the same basket. Each poster/person should be judged on what he/she says, not on what other people in their particular movement may have said or done. People have lot of different reasons for coming to the conclusions they reach, and I think it is only fair to judge people as individuals. Anyway, it really is less patience than sort of a fascination at the whole phenomenon on both sides. When I see people who clearly are intelligent on both sides, and it degenerates into name-calling...I just find that interesting as hell.
No, in my opinion #NeverTrump is an organized, collective emotional yelp. Nothing more. In time, as their emotion subsides, reality begins to unclog their thinking and the dominos continue falling.
You misunderstand me. When I speak of #NeverTrump, I'm talking about #NeverTrump, not your average voter or any specific person. (Frankly, I don't read many of the responses here, so I don't know any particular member's stance unless their tagline includes something about #NeverTrump.)
I'm talking about the extreme #NeverTrumpers here, those individuals who simply respond to dog whistles orchestrated by the Democrats and the #NeverTrumps at NR. Who post misleading headlines or engage solely in derision and mockery.
In my experience, the average voter takes the time to look at the candidates. After long consideration, they might say, you know I don't agree with candidate A, their economic plan, their immigration and foreign policy, their position on States rights issues, energy policy. That sort of thing. Not, "Donald Trump is insane." How does one argue with such inanity
Surely you see how difficult it is to penetrate their reason? In my opinion, organized #NeverTrump is not your average republican voter. Heck, you've argued with them long and hard and you've made clear points – good ones, that they completely ignore. Tell me they're not emotionally afflicted and invested?
(In case anyone hasn't noticed, I dislike #NeverTrump. I think it is bad, read dangerous, for our political process at this time in history.)
You're very practiced at projection. You know, the very characteristics you criticize are, in fact, the most glaring that YOU possess. You attribute #NeverTrump to emotion, yet that's all you ever exhibit in your posts. Childish outbursts with no facts.
In case you haven't noticed, #NeverTrump despises Donald J. Trump. He is a lying cretin, extemely ignorant, and totally self-centered. I sleep well at night knowing I will vote for neither Trump nor Hillary.
In all honesty, does anyone actually believe that admittedly stupid comments like that were really meant literally? As in actual dogs hunting down the tens of millions who didn't vote for Trump?
I mean, does anyone actually believe that?
Who post misleading headlines or engage solely in derision and mockery.
You remind me of the kid who sits behind someone in class and pokes them with a pencil when the teacher isn't looking. Poke, poke, poke, poke... When the kid getting poked has had enough of your crap and gets up and pops you one, you go whining to the teacher.
I know your type. Quit being a passive aggressive jerk, and people will be nicer to you.
In all honesty, does anyone actually believe that admittedly stupid comments like that were really meant literally? As in actual dogs hunting down the tens of millions who didn't vote for Trump?
I mean, does anyone actually believe that?
You seem to still hold out hope that you're arguing with rational folks, people who are thinking of the politics of this race.
But, in my humble opinion, #NeverTrump is unconcerned about the very real political fallout to the country of a Hillary presidency.
No, in my opinion #NeverTrump is an organized, collective emotional yelp. Nothing more. In time, as their emotion subsides, reality begins to unclog their thinking and the dominos continue falling.
Spur, it's much simpler for me. As a Texan, I do not trust New York values, and Trump embodies those.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Considering that people on this forum have been threatened repeatedly by Trump zealots, I'd say a most definite YES to whether or not the threats are credible.
Many of them may just be stupid keyboard commandos craving attention and pretending they have courage, but there is enough visceral anger coming from the Trump camp to believe that the threats of physical violence are real from some of them.
Do I believe all Trump zealots are dangerous? No. Do I believe SOME are? Absolutely.
@Night Hides Not @sinkspur
Those are New York City values. New Yorkers (as in, the state of New York) don't tend to roll that way.
Since you're a Texan, I won't hold it -- or Austin -- against you! :laugh:
I'd trade you almost anything for Austin, but I doubt you'd want it.
@aligncare
And you seem to be suffering from the Dunning–Kruger effect. People are being quite rational.
Quite to the contrary, I* am very concerned about a Hillary presidency, and I try hard to hold back my antipathy for Trump supporters who made this a very real possibility. I'm not wholly convinced Trump will win.
On the other hand, in my humble opinion, you are unconcerned about the very real political fallout to the country of a Trump presidency.
Perhaps with age, I'll get senile and forget all that I have read, and will therefore no longer recognize the horrific dangers of a populist movement with nationalist and fascist tendencies. But until then, my thinking will remain clogged with facts and sound analysis.
*if I'm one of the NeverTrumpers you're talking about despite the fact that I don't respond to Democrat dog whistles or get orders from NR.
Politics is how 'principle' is put into action.
. But, in my humble opinion, #NeverTrump is unconcerned about the very real political fallout to the country of a Hillary presidency.
Considering that people on this forum have been threatened repeatedly by Trump zealots, I'd say a most definite YES to whether or not the threats are credible.
I've been referring to a very specific "threat", not threats in general.
If you really believe that a statement that all people who didn't support Trump will be hunted down with dogs was even meant seriously, then I'm not sure what else to say. It isn't even a remotely plausible threat in terms of carrying it out.
But hey, I'm made my point. If some want to continue insisting it's a credible threat, you're free to do so. The only reason I've made an issue out of it is that it is part of what I see as a pattern of rhetorical one-upsmanship between NeverTrumpers and some Trump Supporters, where each side reads something the other writes and then attaches the most extreme meaning to it possible simply to paint the other party as being as unreasonable as possible. There are a lot of opportunities for people to ratchet back the rhetoric and restore it to some measure of reasonableness, but those opportunities keep getting tossed away in the interests of proving how nutty the "other" is.
It is starting to make this place unreadable for some of the rest of us.
Just today, here on this site, another Trump supporter was saying that they'd be hunting down #NeverTrump with dogs after the election (if their god loses).Sounds like they think we are slaves that have run away from the plantation.
The post has been removed, so I can't link to it. But here's the link to my response, so you can read their 'glory'.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,226193.msg1067546.html#msg1067546
What is more dangerous and more alarming - is that history teaches that a zeitgeist instigated by a man or movement using fear and promises of punishment for the stated greater glory of the nation, is never to be ignored - and to be taken very, very seriously.
It's not that one or two unhinged Trump (or Hillary) zealots threaten physical harm or action against those they have declared traitors in heated campaign rhetoric. What is alarming is that their movement and compatriots applaud it and excuse such behavior and threats by projecting what they, themselves are doing onto their declared enemies. THAT is how tyrannical and genocidal behavior is willfully ignored and/or applauded by masses when the same thing is enabled in pogroms executed by their savior or movement they have pledged themselves to.
Trumps documented lifelong efforts to punish those he thinks have wronged him, and all the fists in the air amidst suggestions of Trump's enemies "being hunted down like dogs" are far more dangerous to all of us in his political movement and office he seeks - much moreso than by anything Hillary presents.
Sounds like they think we are slaves that have run away from the plantation.In their minds we are. The GOP has treated Constitutional Conservatives, the TEA party folks who don't strictly fit that group, and others who are social conservatives, with contempt, expecting, even seemingly feeling entitled to, their votes because there is (in their minds) nowhere else for the aforementioned folks to go.
In their minds we are. The GOP has treated Constitutional Conservatives, the TEA party folks who don't strictly fit that group, and others who are social conservatives, with contempt, expecting, even seemingly feeling entitled to, their votes because there is (in their minds) nowhere else for the aforementioned folks to go.
It is almost funny the way the folks in the GOP rail at the Democrats for their Plantation, where black and other minority votes are purchased with special considerations, and those folks vote Democrat in return, even if they don't get what was promised, but there has been a failure to identify or acknowledge the Republican Plantation, where captive Conservatives are expected to vote or get the proverbial lash.
It should come as no surprise that those of us who aren't playing that game any longer, who are sick and tired of being thrown under the bus every election cycle, have moved on to less heavily grazed and much 'less fertilized' pastures. Grumblings and murmurs of such among the disaffected have been going on for some time.
Nor is it surprising that the reaction to that is generally harsh and full of violent rhetoric; somehow the GOP seems to think it is 'entitled' to those votes, even though it hasn't delivered squat despite decades of promises.
There are other places to go.
There are other places to go.