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January 17, 2020
Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
By T.L. Davis
By all appearances, Governor Northam of Virginia is trying to start Civil War Two. Northam has already inflamed his own citizens by calls for gun confiscation, and some other members of the State Assembly have suggested activating and sending out the National Guard to enforce unpopular gun legislation. Northam's rhetoric has already caused 102 counties and cities in Virginia to pass Second Amendment sanctuary laws that prevent local government from expending tax funds or resources on enforcing laws passed by the state that citizens feel violate the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
When the Virginia Civil Defense League (VCDL) announced that it would be holding its annual lobby day on January 20, 2020, proponents of the sanctuary laws and citizens residing in the localities vowed to show up as a sign of their displeasure and opposition to laws already on the docket for the 2020 legislative session. This surge of participation in the annual lobby day held by VCDL garnered national attention from gun rights groups, defendants of the Constitution, and bloggers in the gun rights blogosphere to rally behind the effort.
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/01/is_governor_northam_trying_to_start_a_second_civil_war.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/01/is_governor_northam_trying_to_start_a_second_civil_war.html)
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May not be the start...
But history may see it as one of the flash points. Kind of like John Brown's raid.
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At one time, I tried to follow the principle of not ascribing malice when the matter could be understood as stupidity. To an extent, I still try. But, it becomes less tenable by the day
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At one time, I tried to follow the principle of not ascribing malice when the matter could be understood as stupidity. To an extent, I still try. But, it becomes less tenable by the day
It's a worthwhile rule of thumb, but Virginia Dems' @#$% has gone beyond what can be adequately explained by stupidity. They're trying to stir up as much @#$% as possible as fast as possible. I don't think they anticipated the degree to which many counties' and cities' LEOs have pushed back. And they're liable to find similar, maybe less organized, push-back from state troopers as well.
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Everyone that was elected last november used gun confiscation as their platform and yet we only had 30 or 40% voter turn out.....
We are here because to many people cannot be bothered to vote and I would bet that they are the ones yelling the loudest.
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It's a worthwhile rule of thumb,
Hanlon's razor
Hanlon's razor is an aphorism expressed in various ways, including:
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.[1]
Probably named after a Robert J. Hanlon, it is a philosophical razor which suggests a way of eliminating unlikely explanations for human behavior.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
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IF Northam manages to start a "civil" war it will be the first. We haven't had one yet despite the propaganda you've all been fed.
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IF Northam manages to start a "civil" war it will be the first. We haven't had one yet despite the propaganda you've all been fed.
At first glance, I would tend to agree. OTOH, once the Anti 2A faction has a few successful gun confiscation victories , this thing could go south quick.
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IF Northam manages to start a "civil" war it will be the first. We haven't had one yet despite the propaganda you've all been fed.
Right.
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Right.
Great new (I think) Tag line @Smokin Joe! And 100% correct!
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Great new (I think) Tag line @Smokin Joe! And 100% correct!
Thanks, the taglines have been there for a while. Just the truth.
They (communists, etc.) keep rebranding totalitarianism to try to sell the same failed concepts that have killed millions, but anyone who pays attention knows it for what it is.
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They (communists, etc.) keep rebranding totalitarianism to try to sell the same failed concepts that have killed millions, but anyone who pays attention knows it for what it is.
Exactly! And what they don't realize, it is a one way street.
Once you take that exit there is no return.
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Everyone that was elected last november used gun confiscation as their platform and yet we only had 30 or 40% voter turn out.....
We are here because to many people cannot be bothered to vote and I would bet that they are the ones yelling the loudest.
Exactly right. And... funny how the ones that claim they "have no dog in this hunt" and refuse to get out and vote against the gun-grabbing leftists always seem to have a LOT to say about the aftermath of not voting against the radical left. Stop talking, stop whining and vote next time, dammit!
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Exactly right. And... funny how the ones that claim they "have no dog in this hunt" and refuse to get out and vote against the gun-grabbing leftists always seem to have a LOT to say about the aftermath of not voting against the radical left. Stop talking, stop whining and vote next time, dammit!
Ed Galespi was not conservative enough or was not articulate enough or or or.. So I'll show'em, I will stay home and not vote....
Now we are screwed....
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He thinks he is, but I don't think he's measured the whirlwind he'd reap from it correctly.
What would be funny, is if Northam pushes it and calls out the Nat'l Guard, then Trump activates and federalizes them to protect VA citizens from their own state govt.
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Ed Galespi was not conservative enough or was not articulate enough or or or.. So I'll show'em, I will stay home and not vote....
Now we are screwed....
And... if enough of these type of idiots stay home and don't vote next November....
the entire nation would be screwed. Probably for good and forever.
Barring something unforseen, I don't think that's going to happen, though. I think there are enough folks out there that are just as pissed and seething at the rats as I am....that they/we will crawl over broken glass to vote against their leftist DemocRat insanity.
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Exactly right. And... funny how the ones that claim they "have no dog in this hunt" and refuse to get out and vote against the gun-grabbing leftists always seem to have a LOT to say about the aftermath of not voting against the radical left. Stop talking, stop whining and vote next time, dammit!
*****rollingeyes*****
You cannot vote AGAINST anything. Your vote is an endorsement.
Give me something to vote *for*
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*****rollingeyes*****
You cannot vote AGAINST anything. Your vote is an endorsement.
Give me something to vote *for*
Maybe you can't. But I can. And DO! And will!!! :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:
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Ammoland: (https://www.ammoland.com/2020/01/virginia-governor-northams-lobby-day-gun-ban-dont-take-the-bait/#ixzz6BKEGH8kO)
Virginia Governor Northam’s Lobby Day Gun Ban, Don’t Take The Bait
Ammoland Inc.
Posted on January 16, 2020
by Philip Van Cleave
... SITUATIONAL AWARENESS: There have been many rumors, videos, and articles flying around the internet. We cannot stress enough that this is a peaceful day to assemble and address our Legislature about protecting our right to keep and bear arms. Lobby Day is NOT about statues, flags, racism, sexism, or anything other than protecting the right to keep and bear arms for ALL law-abiding citizens.
Yes, we hold a rally, but the point of the day is communication with our legislators. (Note that a rally is not the same thing as a protest.)
To our knowledge, there are no credible threats of violence. That being said, please practice appropriate situational awareness. IF YOU SEE A BAD ACTOR flag down a police officer and point it out. If someone tries to provoke you, smile and walk away. There is probably someone secretly recording the interaction, with the intent of capturing some kind of inappropriate reaction on your part. Don't take the bait. It's not worth the bad press. Again, you might want to notify law enforcement of such bad actors. ...
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Maybe you can't. But I can. And DO! And will!!! :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:
No you don't. Your vote is an endorsement FOR Tumpy the Clown. That is all it can be.
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No you don't. Your vote is an endorsement FOR Tumpy the Clown. That is all it can be.
Gosh.... this is such fun (somehow, it never gets old). Kinda feels like Groundhog Day!
:silly: :silly: :silly:
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Gosh.... this is such fun (somehow, it never gets old). Kinda feels like Groundhog Day!
:silly: :silly: :silly:
Believe me, I wish there was a vote 'against'.
I would be happy to vote
[X] None of the Above.
Maybe then we'd get a mulligan.
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@roamer_1 @XenaLee
Maybe we can leave that age old argument for a diff thread. What’s happening in Virginia May be of huge importance so let’s not derail. This has nothing whatsoever to do with trump.
As I said on another thread:
Let’s just say: having a vested interest, I am planning on being there. The tenor of everything I’m seeing and hearing is that pretty much everyone is still planning on being armed. Especially because Northam’s Emerg Declaration is in violation of a 2012 Va Law expressly forbidding govt from infringing on the 2A when an emergency declaration is issued. (He’s skirting that by declaring Capitol Square a shelter)
The scuttlebutt says that the gov is limiting access to Capitol Square to one gate with a metal detector. They’ve already surrounded the rest of the square with fencing/barricades.
I’m betting that the lone access point and/or multiple sections of the barricade will be breached inside of about 15mins.
People here are pissed...like I have never seen.
Whole lot of folks are about to put the “I will not comply†to the test.
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People here are pissed...like I have never seen.
Whole lot of folks are about to put the “I will not comply†to the test.
GOOD!
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Ad for Highly-Paid ROLEPLAYERS Appears Ahead of Virginia Gun Rally
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=Y_GMieEs3wA&feature=emb_logo#)
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@roamer_1 @XenaLee
Maybe we can leave that age old argument for a diff thread. What’s happening in Virginia May be of huge importance so let’s not derail. This has nothing whatsoever to do with trump.
As I said on another thread:
Let’s just say: having a vested interest, I am planning on being there. The tenor of everything I’m seeing and hearing is that pretty much everyone is still planning on being armed. Especially because Northam’s Emerg Declaration is in violation of a 2012 Va Law expressly forbidding govt from infringing on the 2A when an emergency declaration is issued. (He’s skirting that by declaring Capitol Square a shelter)
The scuttlebutt says that the gov is limiting access to Capitol Square to one gate with a metal detector. They’ve already surrounded the rest of the square with fencing/barricades.
I’m betting that the lone access point and/or multiple sections of the barricade will be breached inside of about 15mins.
People here are pissed...like I have never seen.
Whole lot of folks are about to put the “I will not comply†to the test.
I'd really like to stay home and watch the live feeds of this event, but wouldn't you know... I have an appointment I probably can't get out of. Hope some here can or will link to a video I can watch when I get back. What time does this rally start?
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"Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?"
Yes.
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@roamer_1 @XenaLee
Maybe we can leave that age old argument for a diff thread. What’s happening in Virginia May be of huge importance so let’s not derail. This has nothing whatsoever to do with trump.
As I said on another thread:
Let’s just say: having a vested interest, I am planning on being there. The tenor of everything I’m seeing and hearing is that pretty much everyone is still planning on being armed. Especially because Northam’s Emerg Declaration is in violation of a 2012 Va Law expressly forbidding govt from infringing on the 2A when an emergency declaration is issued. (He’s skirting that by declaring Capitol Square a shelter)
The scuttlebutt says that the gov is limiting access to Capitol Square to one gate with a metal detector. They’ve already surrounded the rest of the square with fencing/barricades.
I’m betting that the lone access point and/or multiple sections of the barricade will be breached inside of about 15mins.
People here are pissed...like I have never seen.
Whole lot of folks are about to put the “I will not comply†to the test.
Stay as safe as you can out there.
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At one time, I tried to follow the principle of not ascribing malice when the matter could be understood as stupidity. To an extent, I still try. But, it becomes less tenable by the day
@don-o
Who says malice and stupidity can't live in the same brain pan? I think history has proven that to be true more often than not.
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He thinks he is, but I don't think he's measured the whirlwind he'd reap from it correctly.
What would be funny, is if Northam pushes it and calls out the Nat'l Guard, then Trump activates and federalizes them to protect VA citizens from their own state govt.
@Free Vulcan
I am guessing that IF that happens,congress would have no trouble getting enough votes to impeach Trump. Want to get them worked up,threaten THEIR soup bowl!
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No you don't. Your vote is an endorsement FOR Tumpy the Clown. That is all it can be.
@roamer_1
You are just all pissy because you have painted yourself into a corner,and don't know how to get out of it,so you will defend your position to the death.
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@roamer_1
You are just all pissy because you have painted yourself into a corner,and don't know how to get out of it,so you will defend your position to the death.
@sneakypete
I ain't pissy, and I ain't in a corner.
Try again.
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So what did y'all think of those ads for role playing actors (crisis actors)?
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So what did y'all think of those ads for role playing actors (crisis actors)?
Love to know the source
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Love to know the source
HighImpactVlogs
http://bit.ly/HighImpactFlixOfficial (http://bit.ly/HighImpactFlixOfficial)
I saw it on Twitter, and thought it was relevant to this discussion
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HighImpactVlogs
http://bit.ly/HighImpactFlixOfficial (http://bit.ly/HighImpactFlixOfficial)
I saw it on Twitter, and thought it was relevant to this discussion
I actually watched the vid (for some reason thought it was a pic when I first saw it)
I suspect it actually is what it says it is and is unrelated to Richmond. Probably Lots of NGO activity up in that neck o the woods
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So what did y'all think of those ads for role playing actors (crisis actors)?
Specifically stated 'Not for Crisis Actors', so... :shrug:
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HighImpactVlogs
http://bit.ly/HighImpactFlixOfficial (http://bit.ly/HighImpactFlixOfficial)
I saw it on Twitter, and thought it was relevant to this discussion
I think it is relevant.
Without starting any rounds of Conspiracy Theories, Crisis actor events were allegedly held in the vicinity of Sandy Hook and Las Vegas temporally proximal to the shootings in those locations. Such calls raise suspicions, especially this close to an event of this magnitude where some folks are going to be hot headed.
Add in ANTIFA, who have a bit of a reputation for not playing nice with others, and this is indeed a powder keg.
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Specifically stated 'Not for Crisis Actors', so... :shrug:
Only in the rewrite. How leftists act when caught. ("Not for a false flag event" What brought that on?)
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Only in the rewrite. How leftists act when caught. ("Not for a false flag event" What brought that on?)
I don't know. And it's disappeared, so... :shrug:
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This was posted on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/Chase4Senate/) by a Virginia state senator:
Senator Amanda Chase
8 hrs ·
Sadly, I am posting this, knowing that the Governor of Virginia has declared a State of Emergency in our state.
I want you to be aware of how we are being set up.
Does the Patriot Act ring a bell?
Does the National Defense Authorization Act ring a bell?
If people show up wearing any kind of uniform, patch or other symbol on their clothing signifying they belong to a militia and something goes wrong, you could/will be held as a domestic terrorist.
If anyone steps out of line, all it takes is one person, it may even be a government plant....if that plant does anything to disrupt the rally, you could/will be arrested as a domestic terrorist.
The Governor, using the media has already set the stage for this to happen.
He has already laid the groundwork to make the entire movement look like insurrection.
It will be used to put the rest of the nation on notice of what will happen to you, if you resist.
They have used the Southern Poverty Law Center over the last 15 years to lay the groundwork.
They have labeled us as potential domestic terrorist for a long time now.
Anyone who has ever related to the 3%er's, a militia, or just belonged to any Patriot group...the groundwork has been laid to brand you as a domestic terrorist.
They have gone out of their way since the Obama years to insure they had us labeled, but it didn't start with Obama. It started with the Patriot Act under the Bush administration.
We are being played by a well oiled machine, these things have been in the works for many years.
They are kicking things into high gear. Military veterans were/are even listed as potential domestic terrorist.
We were told not once, but several times by the current President, “It's Not Me they are after, It's You, The American People.“
Their actions over the last three years have shown you he was right, they are coming after us full speed ahead and they aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Sic semper tyrannis, keep your head on a swivel and know what's going on around you at all times, at Lobby Day 1/20/20.
Everyone be safe out there....Thus always to tyrants.
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I don't know. And it's disappeared, so... :shrug:
Sure it has, apparently people were calling up and giving them hell over it.
In its place, a new, improved, not a false flag operation video with the town changed (still about the same distance from Richmond).
So are there two of these events they are hiring $250/day people for, or is there still just the first one, rebranded?
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Sure it has, apparently people were calling up and giving them hell over it.
You misunderstand me Joe. my 'so?' speaks to the lack of evidence and an inability toward action.
Hard for me to get all up in arms over a yootoob and nothing else more credible.
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*****rollingeyes*****
You cannot vote AGAINST anything. Your vote is an endorsement.
Give me something to vote *for*
When I held my nose and checked Romney, Trust me, I was voting against obama..
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When I held my nose and checked Romney, Trust me, I was voting against obama..
That ain't how Romney saw it.
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Ed Galespi was not conservative enough or was not articulate enough or or or.. So I'll show'em, I will stay home and not vote....
Now we are screwed....
It doesn't help that the state GOP didn't put up candidates in a quarter of the Assembly races. There is no opposition party to the Democrats in the Commonwealth.
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It doesn't help that the state GOP didn't put up candidates in a quarter of the Assembly races. There is no opposition party to the Democrats in the Commonwealth.
Well, decent, respectful people won't run and subject themselves and their families to the continual stream of brutal accusations.
They are destroying peoples careers, families and businesses in the name of "democracy".
I wish we had stronger slander laws maybe we could stop some of this junk.
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This was posted on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/Chase4Senate/) by a Virginia state senator:
The Governor, using the media has already set the stage for this to happen.
He has already laid the groundwork to make the entire movement look like insurrection.
It will be used to put the rest of the nation on notice of what will happen to you, if you resist.
I have believed all of that with all my heart from the first instant I heard about it.
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So are there two of these events they are hiring $250/day people for, or is there still just the first one, rebranded?
@Smokin Joe
The funny part about that is that by now they have hired so many undercover ATF agents that they will be arresting each other before it's over.
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@Smokin Joe
The funny part about that is that by now they have hired so many undercover ATF agents that they will be arresting each other before it's over.
A friend of mine in High School went to a pot party and got a bad vibe, so he went to the can and bailed through the window. It turned out the police (who were everyone else at the party) all tried to arrest each other. He didn't bring anything, didn't buy anything, didn't even partake, just bailed, so they had nothing on him, either. (He did get a good look at a bunch of undercovers though).
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So what did y'all think of those ads for role playing actors (crisis actors)?
Chilling, my spidey senses are on edge.
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Chilling, my spidey senses are on edge.
Mine, too.
If something goes down, they will use this not only to justify the abuse of the Second Amendment in Virginia, but as a springboard to push for national legislation.
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WHEN something goes down, they will use this not only to justify the abuse of the Second Amendment in Virginia, but as a springboard to push for national legislation.
@Smokin Joe
There,fixed it for ya.
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@Smokin Joe
There,fixed it for ya.
Yeah, you might well be right. My spidey sense is off the charts on this one.
I only pray I am wrong.
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No you don't. Your vote is an endorsement FOR Tumpy the Clown. That is all it can be.
@roamer_1
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I realize that y'all have probably been over all this. But I was absent, so....
In my case the "or something" was, (and is) the proposition that Donald John Trump is a better, and the only realistic, option to advance my own interests. We, as a nation, have agreed to use arithmetic within the established institutions and procedures in deciding who shall be the Chief Executive.
So your use of the word "endorse" is one that allows me to separate the man from his foibles and to focus on his promises and contrast them with his opponents, all in Realville.
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Yeah, you might well be right. My spidey sense is off the charts on this one.
I only pray I am wrong.
@sneakypete @Smokin Joe
My senses are twitchin’ too.
But does that mean we yield the field without even showing up?
Sometimes you gotta walk in to a shit show even though you know it’s gonna be a shit show.
We as conservatives analyze things to death. But sometimes....and Id say we are LONG past time....but sometimes you just gotta stop the paralysis by analysis, cowboy up and deal with the shit show.
Truly and seriously: if not now...when?
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@sneakypete @Smokin Joe
My senses are twitchin’ too.
But does that mean we yield the field without even showing up?
Sometimes you gotta walk in to a shit show even though you know it’s gonna be a shit show.
We as conservatives analyze things to death. But sometimes....and Id say we are LONG past time....but sometimes you just gotta stop the paralysis by analysis, cowboy up and deal with the shit show.
Truly and seriously: if not now...when?
@Axeslinger if VA were my state I would probably be thinking exactly as you are. If you didn't see this yet, some good thoughts from Matt Bracken (Travis McGee):
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/ (https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/)
Worth a read before Monday.
Fare thee well!
:patriot:
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@Axeslinger if VA were my state I would probably be thinking exactly as you are. If you didn't see this yet, some good thoughts from Matt Bracken (Travis McGee):
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/ (https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/)
Worth a read before Monday.
Fare thee well!
:patriot:
@Axeslinger I heartily second the words of my good friend @EdJames! Fare thee well indeed.
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Many in WV would welcome some of Virginia's sane counties with open arms.
Resolution to add Frederick County, Va. to West Virginia passes Senate
By Mike McCullough in News | January 13, 2020 at 12:10PM
MARTINSBURG, W.Va. — Bordering Hampshire, Morgan and Berkeley counties is Frederick County, Virginia.
On Monday, the West Virginia Senate passed Senate Concurrent Resolution 2, drafted by Judiciary Committee Chairman Charlie Trump IV (R-Morgan). The resolution provides a “standing invitation†to Frederick County, Virginia to join West Virginia. ...
More (http://wvmetronews.com/2020/01/13/resolution-passed-to-add-frederick-county-va-to-west-virginia/)
Just think of the contiguous counties where gunowners want to live free! Come on over to West-by-gosh-Virginia!
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@Axeslinger if VA were my state I would probably be thinking exactly as you are. If you didn't see this yet, some good thoughts from Matt Bracken (Travis McGee):
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/ (https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/)
Worth a read before Monday.
Fare thee well!
:patriot:
@EdJames
First they came for the socialists Virginians , and I did not speak out
Because I was not a socialists Virginian.
Then they came for ___________
Thanks for the good tidings. And I had been looking for Matt’s essay, so thank you.
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Matt Bracken is a very wise man.
The best attire for the event would be to arrive unarmed dressed as if you just arrived from colonial Williamsburg.
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@Axeslinger if VA were my state I would probably be thinking exactly as you are. If you didn't see this yet, some good thoughts from Matt Bracken (Travis McGee):
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/ (https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/)
Worth a read before Monday.
Fare thee well!
:patriot:
The 'risk" does not concern me as much as the lack of an identifiable result, other than folks getting hurt.
Not sure yet what I will do.. I keep going back and forth with it....
Thanks for the link...
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@sneakypete @Smokin Joe
My senses are twitchin’ too.
But does that mean we yield the field without even showing up?
Sometimes you gotta walk in to a shit show even though you know it’s gonna be a shit show.
We as conservatives analyze things to death. But sometimes....and Id say we are LONG past time....but sometimes you just gotta stop the paralysis by analysis, cowboy up and deal with the shit show.
Truly and seriously: if not now...when?
@Axeslinger
I would love to go to Richmond,but can't for several reasons,all having to do with age,health,and temperament. I have never played well with people getting in my face and screaming at me,and my kneejerk response is to give them something to scream about. Besides being in my 70's,I have Congestive Heart Failure,Lymphoma,and arthritis in my knees and hands. Hell,I have a hard time walking 100 feet without gasping for breath.
All this means I can no longer afford to play around with attackers,especially multiple attackers. Anyone that attacks me will end up losing at least one eye,and maybe their lives. And I can tell you for a fact that if I had been that lone man with the little girl that was mobbed by the communists,I would have gotten her to safety and truly ugly things would have happened when I got back to our attackers. There would be bodies laying in the streets,and I will not even attempt to claim I would be sorry about it. I would dance of their bleeping corpses. If you don't want to get bit,don't be bleeping with the dog.
I spent my young life training to kill communists,and having our government send me far away to kill communists. I thought that was a fine thing to do back then,and have seen nothing since them to make me change my mind.
Which would be no moral problem for me IF they were all communists. They are not,though. The vast majority are nothing more than punks and thugs taking advantage of the lack of response by the police to mob up and attack defenseless people they would normally dump a load in their pants if they met them one on one. Take out the "10 percent leadership" (a rule of thumb truth) behind these mobs,and they all suddenly want their mommies and a hugs. Mobs are composed of cowards. They get their strength from numbers and their direction from professional agitators.
IF any of you go who are serious about this problem ,what you need to do is hang back a little from your fellow protestors so you have the distance and time to take note of who are the instigators. They are easily identified because they will be wearing masks and helmets,and running in and out of the front lines,and when they do run to the background,they will be getting direction from a group leader who has a radio or runners and is coordinating actions with other groups. Target THESE MoFo's and take them down HARD with permanent crippling or massive blood loss,and their followers will disappear like dust in a windstorm.
Go for kneecaps with baseball bats or lead pipe. An alternate is a 2 or 3 foot section of 1 or 2 inch hardwood dowel to be used to thrust into vital areas or use as a club to knock weapons out of their hands and/or break hands and arms. If all else fails,steel-tipped boots to the genitals of the males or stomping on their kneecaps to break the knees and get them on the ground where you can "kick a field goal".
It is VERY important that nobody ever pull a gun,never mind shoot,unless you are surrounded and/or your life is in danger and you have no other choice.
Don't forget,the way to destroy this movement of self-absorbed cowards,twits,and other associated low-lifes is NOT to make them martyrs by shooting them,it is to cripple them for life to serve as living examples of what happens to mob leaders.
All of this is just a general theory,or course. I am NOT suggesting or even implying that anyone do this in real life. I am just trying to help outline some things potential fiction authors might want to use in any fiction books they write about "The ANTIFA Uprising",and explain why they would do such things.
BTW,if you do go,DO NOT TAKE CHILDREN WITH YOU! It is hard enough to protect yourself in a mob situation,and it is impossible to protect both yourself AND your children at the same time. ANTIFA might claim to be against firearm ownership,but you can bet your asses some of the "Field Marshalls" and/or their aides are armed,and just looking for an excuse to start shooting so they can blame it on "Redneck NRA crazy racists". Winning the propaganda war is every bit as important as winning the physical war.
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I realize that y'all have probably been over all this. But I was absent, so....
In my case the "or something" was, (and is) the proposition that Donald John Trump is a better, and the only realistic, option to advance my own interests. We, as a nation, have agreed to use arithmetic within the established institutions and procedures in deciding who shall be the Chief Executive.
The matter at hand @don-o , was the specious assertion that one can vote against something or someone the way our vote is provided for. As a technical matter, it simply is not so. Your vote is an endorsement, and only ever an endorsement.
So your use of the word "endorse" is one that allows me to separate the man from his foibles and to focus on his promises and contrast them with his opponents, all in Realville.
I respect you brother, even as I always have... But a man cannot be separated from his character... As is being proven daily. In that, I believe you to be in error. I will not lend my endorsement to this administration.
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The matter at hand @don-o , was the specious assertion that one can vote against something or someone the way our vote is provided for. As a technical matter, it simply is not so. Your vote is an endorsement, and only ever an endorsement.
I respect you brother, even as I always have... But a man cannot be separated from his character... As is being proven daily. In that, I believe you to be in error. I will not lend my endorsement to this administration.
So, in other words, you are ok with President Warren/Sanders? Got it..
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So, in other words, you are ok with President Warren/Sanders? Got it..
@roamer_1 @EdinVA
Of course he is. It will give him something to complain about in 2020. Some people just ain't happy unless they have something to complain about.
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So, in other words, you are ok with President Warren/Sanders? Got it..
I ain't 'OK' with either side. I see no difference.
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@roamer_1 @EdinVA
Of course he is. It will give him something to complain about in 2020. Some people just ain't happy unless they have something to complain about.
You want to see me quit complaining? Support Conservatives. Particularly fiscal conservatives in this day and age. Put your money where your mouth is.
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@Axeslinger if VA were my state I would probably be thinking exactly as you are. If you didn't see this yet, some good thoughts from Matt Bracken (Travis McGee):
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/ (https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/)
Worth a read before Monday.
Fare thee well!
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Bracken nailed it there. I noted, especially, this part....
So the top Fed in Richmond is an anti-Trump FBI counterintelligence expert (like Peter Strzok) who just finished working for Robert Mueller as part of the deep state coup effort.
As always with the radical left, expect an ambush and a setup. It's how they roll.
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I ain't 'OK' with either side. I see no difference.
(https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/image-article_inline_full_caption/public/field_blog_entry_images/2017-06/glasses.png?itok=zke6dv8r)
Hope these help.
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You want to see me quit complaining? Support Conservatives. Particularly fiscal conservatives in this day and age. Put your money where your mouth is.
Sadly my friend that animal is near extinct.
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Sadly my friend that animal is near extinct.
Realistically, the political winds are drifting away from Conservatism. So yeah, expecting a bona fide "Conservative" candidate for president is a friggin pipe dream, at this point in our collective national demise.
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Sadly my friend that animal is near extinct.
Realistically, the political winds are drifting away from Conservatism. So yeah, expecting a bona fide "Conservative" candidate for president is a friggin pipe dream, at this point in our collective national demise.
Then quite literally, all hope is lost. The grown-ups have left the room. All that's left is a food fight.
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Hope these help.
I am seeing VERY clearly.
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You want to see me quit complaining? Support Conservatives. Particularly fiscal conservatives in this day and age. Put your money where your mouth is.
@roamer_1
WHAT so-called "conservatives" that are running for office? Name names.
Meanwhile,you are tactically supporting leftists by withholding your support of Trump,the most conservative candidate since Ronald Reagan,and who has already pushed more conservative judges into position than Reagan or any other president.
In short,all you are doing is having hissy-fits.
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WHAT so-called "conservatives" that are running for office? Name names.
@sneakypete
Don't care. Where I find em, I vote for em. More important to the question: What happens when you endorse non-conservatives, thinking Republican is better than Democrat? You get a liberal Republican party, bent on globalism. You get MORE of what you vote *FOR*
Meanwhile,you are tactically supporting leftists by withholding your support of Trump,the most conservative candidate since Ronald Reagan,and who has already pushed more conservative judges into position than Reagan or any other president.
Yeah... Bullcrap, bullcrap, and more bullcrap.
In short,all you are doing is having hissy-fits.
Not at all - I am voting for conservatives. Give me something to vote *FOR*.
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Then quite literally, all hope is lost. The grown-ups have left the room. All that's left is a food fight.
Well.... as a realist, my best hope was that Trump's election delayed the RL takeover. And it has. Just look at the damage Obama's eight years did. Considering how much ""progress"" they've made towards our national demise, I can read the writing on that wall only too well. Short of an all out civil war, revolution or rebellion.... I don't see any other way it can end. That said, there's an awful lot of folks out there that are ready to get that fight over with... sooner rather than later. And I'm one of them.
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Well.... as a realist, my best hope was that Trump's election delayed the RL takeover. And it has. Just look at the damage Obama's eight years did. Considering how much ""progress"" they've made towards our national demise, I can read the writing on that wall only too well.
Nah, Tumpy is a waste of time. Feckless and unaccountable. a vapid man shouting at the sea. EOs go POOF!
The point of the spear is the Tea Party. But I am not without hope. In one election, the TEA Party did more for Conservatism than anything since the '94 election. A record turnover of statehouses and governorships, vetting conservatives, and getting them elected from the ground up. ONE election, off-season, did that.
Short of an all out civil war, revolution or rebellion.... I don't see any other way it can end. That said, there's an awful lot of folks out there that are ready to get that fight over with... sooner rather than later. And I'm one of them.
Yeah, If it has to be done, we'd best get it over with... It's ours to do then... I am never for kickin the can to our children.
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Nah, Tumpy is a waste of time. Feckless and unaccountable. a vapid man shouting at the sea. EOs go POOF!
The point of the spear is the Tea Party. But I am not without hope. In one election, the TEA Party did more for Conservatism than anything since the '94 election. A record turnover of statehouses and governorships, vetting conservatives, and getting them elected from the ground up. ONE election, off-season, did that.
Yeah, If it has to be done, we'd best get it over with... It's ours to do then... I am never for kickin the can to our children.
And if we collectively keep kicking that can to the children, by the time the can gets dealt with, the children will have been so brainwashed that they will probably turn on us (it has happened before in history).
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And if we collectively keep kicking that can to the children, by the time the can gets dealt with, the children will have been so brainwashed that they will probably turn on us (it has happened before in history).
That's right. All the more reason to enforce and reinforce Conservatism. Put the grown-ups back in the room. Without men of good character, returning power to the states, and insistence on balanced budgets, at the very least, all is truly lost.
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That's right. All the more reason to enforce and reinforce Conservatism. Put the grown-ups back in the room. Without men of good character, returning power to the states, and insistence on balanced budgets, at the very least, all is truly lost.
Sigh. You keep saying "put the Conservatives back".... but how the hell do we do that...
if/when Conservatives aren't running for office? Lotsa pretenda Conservatives and squishy moderates, though. So....which Conservatives would you recommend for putting "back in the room"? I'm serious.
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Nah, Tumpy is a waste of time. Feckless and unaccountable. a vapid man shouting at the sea. EOs go POOF!
If you don't like EOs ... I suggest you get off your horse and start fighting to change Congress.
Otherwise you're just a man shouting at the mirror.
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Sigh. You keep saying "put the Conservatives back".... but how the hell do we do that...
if/when Conservatives aren't running for office? Lotsa pretenda Conservatives and squishy moderates, though. So....which Conservatives would you recommend for putting "back in the room"? I'm serious.
Demand Conservatism. Endorse Conservatism. That's your vote. Vote FOR what you want. If it ain't what you want, don't vote for it. Pragmatism is EXACTLY what has given us this scurrilous party, overflowing with moderates, bent on globalism.
And it is the exact opposite of what the Democrats do. Democrats work hard for their base. Can that be said of Republicans, ever? No. Republicans shove it down our throats and tell us to be thankful for what we DO get.
Meanwhile, the battle is now between Communism on the left and Globalism on the right...
Keep fear-voting the Globalists into power on the right and nothing will change... Indeed, it will only get worse. Because for all intents and purposes, Conservatism is off the table, and you are left with two tyrants to choose from. The only logical action is to choose neither. Do not endorse globalism, or you will get more of it, guaranteed.
As for what I will vote *FOR* - I vet candidates according to their record, not their promises, like Conservatives have always done. Any dumbass can make promises on the stump, and tell you just what you want to hear. But someone who's history shows he has walked the walk, while still not a guarantee, certainly seems to be a pretty sure bet.
As to the *who* exactly? Dunno yet. It is way too early to even look at it. But I will likely be voting Constitution Party again.
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If you don't like EOs ... I suggest you get off your horse and start fighting to change Congress.
Otherwise you're just a man shouting at the mirror.
HAPPILY. Throw all the bastards out, including the one at the top...
When y'all get there, we'll be on the same page.
Till then, I am content to be the gigantic Jiminy Freakin Cricket sitting on your head (I don't fit on your shoulder), farting Yankee Doodle Dandy in 3 part harmony.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lImkHEBbqEk/UA5yBCQNo4I/AAAAAAAACO0/UAenrP0DO0s/s1600/Jiminy+Cricket.gif)
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@Axeslinger if VA were my state I would probably be thinking exactly as you are. If you didn't see this yet, some good thoughts from Matt Bracken (Travis McGee):
https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/ (https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/)
Worth a read before Monday.
Fare thee well!
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I think Matt clearly sums up the very real risks, both media image and physical, of a huge meeting in Virginia.
Even if everyone on the side of the Second showed unarmed, someone would create a problem.
What if the plan was changed to have sympathetic rallies at every county government location as well? Even rallies in support of the Sanctuary status and those who enacted such resolutions?
What that would do: While not as awe inspiring as a huge turnout in Richmond, it would be local, in that every local government would be witness to opposition to the proposed legislation, as they already have been, only not limited by meeting room capacity. Interviewees could state they decided to rally locally to cut down on traffic and congestion in the capital on a holiday.
It also would mean that disruptive elements no longer had a single rally to focus on, and would have to split their forces to disrupt multiple locations, but not be able to cover them all. Only where those people showed would there be problems, indicating just what the problem was, and who was the bad actor creating it. That would likely have to be spread through social media and internet because it is likely only locations where problems broke out would hit the TV news.
While everyone is in a rush to express their outrage at egregious proposed violations of the Second Amendment, what would happen if a relative handful of people showed with signs saying "I represent a thousand people who will defend their Second Amendment Rights" and "See you in court"
It is likely those people could be interviewed, and they could say the plan changed to prevent congestion, confusion, and possible mayhem from others. Otherwise, traffic snarls, closed streets, every inconvenience necessary to manage a large crowd will, of course, be blamed on the protestors, and any violence will be laid at the feet of those who show up, too.
Potential clashes with other groups could be avoided as well, and charges of racism (Martin Luther King Jr. Day, remember) could be thwarted with some credit given to one who preached nonviolent protest.
Unfortunately, the very high profile media whore groups from the fringe who favor starting the dystopia they crave will likely outnumber genuine Second Amendment supporters of a more mainstream nature, and will get the lens time they crave, but that will happen regardless. The difference is that it would happen without the backdrop of more ordinary middle class patriots to be used by the media to prove that not only are these people dangerous fringe elements, but there are thousands of them.
When the protest against removing historical statues was over in Charlottesville, the story wasn't about statues at all, but fighting in the streets and someone getting run over by a cornered driver in a panic.
That must be denied the media and the Left.
These are just thoughts to getting free of the tarbaby this protest could rapidly become, as Matt outlined, and as I have been speculating with less tactical detail. If shooting starts, anyone who has a weapon will be a target for LEO snipers. They won't take time to see who started it, or who the good guys or bad guys are, to them everyone involved will be a bad guy, and anyone who displays the means to injure others will be fair game as a target.
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Bracken nailed it there. I noted, especially, this part....
As always with the radical left, expect an ambush and a setup. It's how they roll.
Exactly. Now, how to thwart that?
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Exactly. Now, how to thwart that?
Don't show up? "Hey, Gov.... we changed our mind. Have a nice day. happy77"
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I predict a shit-ton of armed people are going to congregate just outside the sanctioned 'gun-free' zone.
Ok....okay...not "predict", but rather hope and pray. :pop41:
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HAPPILY. Throw all the bastards out, including the one at the top...
You are unserious and just looking for attention. You've received mine for the last time.
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You are unserious and just looking for attention.
I am entirely serious, and if I was looking for attention, I would join with the Tumpsters.
You've received mine for the last time.
Well, bye.
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I predict a shit-ton of armed people are going to congregate just outside the sanctioned 'gun-free' zone.
Hollywood Cemetary would be a good location for a 2nd Amendment rally. More than one former US Presidents are buried there.
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Realistically, the political winds are drifting away from Conservatism. So yeah, expecting a bona fide "Conservative" candidate for president is a friggin pipe dream, at this point in our collective national demise.
The political winds are from windbags in Media, the purveyors of ignorance in schools and universities, and the architects and laborers of the ever so gradual loss of Liberty.
Watch "Die Hard" for a half dozen things in the first five minutes of the movie you can't do any more. You may find more.
It hasn't been that long.
You see, when those who take liberty take it from the masses, they've already been nibbling at the edges for some time. They don't go right down the center of the bell curve, they grind away at the ends, each time making those who want a little more or a little less than the statistical average to be "extremists", a viewpoint each successive generation has been subjected to while the frontiers of liberty are chewed away in the name of "safety", "Public safety", "for your own good" and even because it smells bad.
Well, this is what has been done with Liberty and our God Given Rights, and the more muddled the discussion can be made by those who are infringing those Rights, the more the philosophies of those 'dead white men' whose philosophy freed the slaves can be marginalized as coming from outmoded, gentry/gender/race/economic/philosophical roots which no longer apply, then the more truth can be stood upon its head and lies presented as the new gospel.
Marx forbid that the philosophies, the users manual for a human life, found in the Old and New Testaments be presented as the guide to safer, saner, happier and simpler living they are, a basis to build community upon.
Instead those are twisted to be the evil writings of those who would stop the libertine practices of "If it feels good, do it", without regard for the destruction to self, family, community, and nations that philosophy so often entails--a philosophy which especially appeals to the young. The philosophy of 'devil take the hindmost' ignores that there is always a new hindmost, eventually at the front of the pack.
In opposition to that, the essence of Conservatism is that people are treated fairly, that people have the same rights, to be freely practiced unless and until they conflict with the rights of others. We are, in that sense, all equal. That Government ought be empowered from the people upward, not edicts from a 'ruling' class levied on the masses (a 'class' which should, by rights, not even exist), and that government should be as local as possible.
For that purpose we adopted a Constitution, to lay out the functions and duties of Government, but even more, to limit its power, to retain that which should be local to the States, and to the People, themselves. Within those States, we adopted Constitutions to further lay out the duties and responsibilities of those govenments, and to safeguard the Rights of the People.
Urbanized masses who never realize there is another world beyond the city limits, who have abdicated the responsibilities of more rural people for the conveniences of urban life, seldom understand that they live a world apart from the vast areas of America where people have to have the Liberty to provide for themselves and their families, a world as alien to them as the urbocentric paradigms presented in mass media and even the portrayals of rural life broadcast thereby are to those of us who live in the vast depths of flyover country.
But before you can lead lions to the slaughter like sheep, you must first convince them they are sheep, and then the sheep can be herded, both by the sounds of their masters and the fences of legislation.
The thought that led to this Constitutional Republic evolved over thousands of years, once lost (because the contenders of Marxism and Islam tend to eradicate any memory or reference to anything else), it will be a long time before it resurfaces, if ever.
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I predict a shit-ton of armed people are going to congregate just outside the sanctioned 'gun-free' zone.
Ok....okay...not "predict", but rather hope and pray. :pop41:
Praying for potential bloodshed? Gotcha.....
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Tea Party Patriots CEO: We Are Endorsing Trump for PresidentThe nation's largest tea party organization is endorsing Donald Trump as its choice for president, and will engage its nationwide grassroots base to get out the vote for the GOP presidential nominee.
https://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Tea-Party-Patriots-CEO-Endorse-Trump/2016/09/22/id/749568/ (https://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Tea-Party-Patriots-CEO-Endorse-Trump/2016/09/22/id/749568/)
From 2016
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The political winds are from windbags in Media, the purveyors of ignorance in schools and universities, and the architects and laborers of the ever so gradual loss of Liberty.
Watch "Die Hard" for a half dozen things in the first five minutes of the movie you can't do any more. You may find more.
It hasn't been that long.
You see, when those who take liberty take it from the masses, they've already been nibbling at the edges for some time. They don't go right down the center of the bell curve, they grind away at the ends, each time making those who want a little more or a little less than the statistical average to be "extremists", a viewpoint each successive generation has been subjected to while the frontiers of liberty are chewed away in the name of "safety", "Public safety", "for your own good" and even because it smells bad.
Well, this is what has been done with Liberty and our God Given Rights, and the more muddled the discussion can be made by those who are infringing those Rights, the more the philosophies of those 'dead white men' whose philosophy freed the slaves can be marginalized as coming from outmoded, gentry/gender/race/economic/philosophical roots which no longer apply, then the more truth can be stood upon its head and lies presented as the new gospel.
Marx forbid that the philosophies, the users manual for a human life, found in the Old and New Testaments be presented as the guide to safer, saner, happier and simpler living they are, a basis to build community upon.
Instead those are twisted to be the evil writings of those who would stop the libertine practices of "If it feels good, do it", without regard for the destruction to self, family, community, and nations that philosophy so often entails--a philosophy which especially appeals to the young. The philosophy of 'devil take the hindmost' ignores that there is always a new hindmost, eventually at the front of the pack.
In opposition to that, the essence of Conservatism is that people are treated fairly, that people have the same rights, to be freely practiced unless and until they conflict with the rights of others. We are, in that sense, all equal. That Government ought be empowered from the people upward, not edicts from a 'ruling' class levied on the masses (a 'class' which should, by rights, not even exist), and that government should be as local as possible.
For that purpose we adopted a Constitution, to lay out the functions and duties of Government, but even more, to limit its power, to retain that which should be local to the States, and to the People, themselves. Within those States, we adopted Constitutions to further lay out the duties and responsibilities of those govenments, and to safeguard the Rights of the People.
Urbanized masses who never realize there is another world beyond the city limits, who have abdicated the responsibilities of more rural people for the conveniences of urban life, seldom understand that they live a world apart from the vast areas of America where people have to have the Liberty to provide for themselves and their families, a world as alien to them as the urbocentric paradigms presented in mass media and even the portrayals of rural life broadcast thereby are to those of us who live in the vast depths of flyover country.
But before you can lead lions to the slaughter like sheep, you must first convince them they are sheep, and then the sheep can be herded, both by the sounds of their masters and the fences of legislation.
The thought that led to this Constitutional Republic evolved over thousands of years, once lost (because the contenders of Marxism and Islam tend to eradicate any memory or reference to anything else), it will be a long time before it resurfaces, if ever.
:yowsa: goopo @Smokin Joe
Correct in every detail.The more I read and study the more convinced I become that it's too late for THIS republic short of force of arms and I'm far too long in the tooth to be much good there.
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Praying for potential bloodshed? Gotcha.....
Not going to happen. But, Antifa had better behave itself.
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I think the time is right for a Trump 2020 rally in Richmond.
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Not going to happen. But, Antifa had better behave itself.
Sure hope so. As much as I despise Antifa, providing them a martyr would just play into their hands.
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Sure hope so. As much as I despise Antifa, providing them a martyr would just play into their hands.
@catfish1957
I can hear it now,"He wuza good boi,to! Juz come out wid his first rap album,n wuz gwona be a preachur,to! No majur feliny victuns,and only a few missymeanurs. He was all sit to gratulate frum de 8th grade nex year!"
The typical ANTIFA supporter is someone that thinks the world owes them a living for breathing,and they live off of welare and/or various scams or family money. They see these protests as "Partee time,yall!" and a chance to riot and rob at will.
The typical ANTIFA "retard herder" on the other hand is the spawn of trust fund children who see themselves as the communist masters of a "new and fair world with peace and justice for everyone as long as they follow orders." The herd doesn't fear being arrested because to them it's "just another sattidy nite",and the wealthy don't worry about being arrested because they have a politically-connected law firm waiting in the background.
What they both share is a desire for revolution. The herd wants it for the excitement and the change they have been promised that will come,and the herders like it because it will make them the Masters of All They View.
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Now, the black-faced guv'nor he was very bored
Trying to whip up the Virginia war
He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
He said, "I never engaged in this kind of thing before...
But yes, I think it can be very easily done;
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And we'll have it out on V.A. 61"
(apologies to Mr. Dylan...)
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Then quite literally, all hope is lost. The grown-ups have left the room. All that's left is a food fight.
so use the rifle already and stop the complaining and end it all.
The rest of us will continue the battle.
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In one election, the TEA Party did more for Conservatism than anything since the '94 election. A record turnover of statehouses and governorships, vetting conservatives, and getting them elected from the ground up. ONE election, off-season, did that.
But...what did all those Tea Party election victories actually accomplish? What was the great rollback of government spending, etc.? As best as I can tell, it didn't accomplish anything except to slow down what Obama would have done otherwise. But in terms of positive accomplishments for conservatism....what were their actual triumphs?
Don't get me wrong -- I think the tea parties were great. But if you're going to criticize Trump for not actually getting enough done, that criticism would seem to apply ten-fold to the Tea Parties. They basically accomplished nothing on the national level because the Democrats controlled the Presidency
@roamer_1
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But...what did all those Tea Party election victories actually accomplish? What was the great rollback of government spending, etc.? As best as I can tell, it didn't accomplish anything except to slow down what Obama would have done otherwise. But in terms of positive accomplishments for conservatism....what were their actual triumphs?
Don't get me wrong -- I think the tea parties were great. But if you're going to criticize Trump for not actually getting enough done, that criticism would seem to apply ten-fold to the Tea Parties. They basically accomplished nothing on the national level because the Democrats controlled the Presidency
It has nothing to do with democrats *at all* @Maj. Bill Martin ...What they were trying to do was overturn the moderate Republican machine... From the ground up. And they did a fine job of that. The move at the national level was Cruz. Then came Tumpy the Clown, and now, thanks to him and the moderates, and changes enacted at the national RNC, the moderates are nearly permanently ensconced.
Y'all are fighting the wrong war. Worry about the enemy INSIDE the gate. The ones you are currently in full throated support of.
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so use the rifle already and stop the complaining and end it all.
The rest of us will continue the battle.
Nah, thanks... I will survive, and probably better than most of y'all.
You are fighting the wrong battle, and those you are in league with are every bit the scourge that the democrats are.
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Nah, thanks... I will survive, and probably better than most of y'all.
You are fighting the wrong battle, and those you are in league with are every bit the scourge that the democrats are.
@roamer_1
That is what draft-dodgers have been saying for all of recorded history to try to justify their lack of action. Easy to be critical of everyone else's efforts when you are making no effort at all. Sitting on the sidelines booing everyone else's attempts only makes you a contrarian,not a sage.
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@roamer_1
That is what draft-dodgers have been saying for all of recorded history to try to justify their lack of action. Easy to be critical of everyone else's efforts when you are making no effort at all. Sitting on the sidelines booing everyone else's attempts only makes you a contrarian,not a sage.
@sneakypete
Yeah, bullcrap. I did my time, and got bupkis. And because I will not help you in what I consider, no, what I know to be a waste of time gives me a very good reason to put my efforts elsewhere.
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:yowsa: goopo @Smokin Joe
Correct in every detail.The more I read and study the more convinced I become that it's too late for THIS republic short of force of arms and I'm far too long in the tooth to be much good there.
If it comes to that, good optics are a plus.
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Praying for potential bloodshed? Gotcha.....
If you read Matt Bracken's article linked elsewhere, that would have the armed people out of the likely conflict areas. Not showing up where expected might be key to having a peaceful rally, and foil attempts to thwart that aim by ANTIFA, of for that matter, anyone else. It would also make any rooftop snipers have to relocate, which might disclose their hides.
Keep the opposition off balance.
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It has nothing to do with democrats *at all* @Maj. Bill Martin ...What they were trying to do was overturn the moderate Republican machine... From the ground up. And they did a fine job of that. The move at the national level was Cruz. Then came Tumpy the Clown, and now, thanks to him and the moderates, and changes enacted at the national RNC, the moderates are nearly permanently ensconced.
@roamer_1
You're talking about purely political accomplishments -- tea party candidates winning elections. But everyone in office has won elections by definition, so that's not really an accomplishment at all unless it translates to policy victories. What exactly did the tea parties accomplish in terms of actually changing government policies after their 2010 victories?
And even if you're just talking about political victories, then saying "the tea parties won until Trump came along, so they really lost", then the tea parties really didn't accomplish anything in political terms either. They actually failed.
And just to be clear, I don't really think the tea parties failed -- not completely. I do think they made important policy contributions. But what they accomplished was much less than the wholesale reversals that some hard-line conservatives consider the only real success that matters. So, by the absolutist standards of some of those conservatives, the tea parties clearly failed.
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@roamer_1
You're talking about purely political accomplishments -- tea party candidates winning elections. But everyone in office has won elections by definition, so that's not really an accomplishment at all unless it translates to policy victories. What exactly did the tea parties accomplish in terms of actually changing government policies after their 2010 victories?
And even if you're just talking about political victories, then saying "the tea parties won until Trump came along, so they really lost", then the tea parties really didn't accomplish anything in political terms either. They actually failed.
And just to be clear, I don't really think the tea parties failed -- not completely. I do think they made important policy contributions. But what they accomplished was much less than the wholesale reversals that some hard-line conservatives consider the only real success that matters. So, by the absolutist standards of some of those conservatives, the tea parties clearly failed.
As a "hardcore" conservative, (I just want the Original intent of the Constitution followed, if that's "hardcore"), holding the line would be something, even small steps back toward the goal of restoring the Republic to what it should be. Sure, my goal is farther along than that, but it took 150+ years to make a thorough mess of what the Founders crafted, and it will take time to reverse that. It won't happen overnight by peaceful means, if at all. Chances are that any other than peaceful means will only create the sort of crisis Alinskyites are dreaming of exploiting, which is part of my concern about today's Lobbying Day in Virginia, being hyped as everything from nutjobs descending on Richmond to the opener for CWII. That is not the purpose, just to meet with legislators and express opinions of pending legislation.
That said, I didn't expect the TEA party candidates to get a lot done, just to honor their promises made on the stump and try. Many fell short of that mark.
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@roamer_1
You're talking about purely political accomplishments -- tea party candidates winning elections. But everyone in office has won elections by definition, so that's not really an accomplishment at all unless it translates to policy victories. What exactly did the tea parties accomplish in terms of actually changing government policies after their 2010 victories?
And even if you're just talking about political victories, then saying "the tea parties won until Trump came along, so they really lost", then the tea parties really didn't accomplish anything in political terms either. They actually failed.
And just to be clear, I don't really think the tea parties failed -- not completely. I do think they made important policy contributions. But what they accomplished was much less than the wholesale reversals that some hard-line conservatives consider the only real success that matters. So, by the absolutist standards of some of those conservatives, the tea parties clearly failed.
@Maj. Bill Martin
You're kidding right? Good God y'all, if this isn't typically Tumpist! At the national level?? Across two, maybe three elections, Conservatives increased by maybe 20 in the House Freedom Caucus, and maybe 5 freakin Senators. What the hell do you expect? How much can they rule or over rule with numbers that small? Your impatience is absurd. Still, how many times have you seen Cruz, Lee, Cotton, and Paul standing in the breach?
You see ACTUAL party building takes YEARS, but when you're done, you have ACTUAL power, and can pass ACTUAL legislation. The magic doesn't really start till you've captured 1/3rd or better of the party on the floor. Look at all the damage McCain and his cohorts did with 8 senators? Look at the only thing that got in their way, with only 5. What do you think happens with 10-20? What about 50-75 in the House?
Y'all have no idea the damage you've done listening to that orange clown and leaping for joy at his every Executive Order. Idiocracy. Gone without a mark in 4, maybe 8 years... And probably you're greatest legacy? Setting actual Conservatism back a decade. Great job! *****rollingeyes*****
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As a "hardcore" conservative, (I just want the Original intent of the Constitution followed, if that's "hardcore"), holding the line would be something, even small steps back toward the goal of restoring the Republic to what it should be.
I agree with that. My point is that whatever the standard is for success, it should be the same for both the tea parties and for Trump. And honestly, I see Trump having accomplished more for conservatism than did the tea parties. But I do give the tea parties credit for holding the line on some things so that they didn't get worse. Immigration in particular. They forced Obama to do things by executive order, and thus made them much easier to reverse later on.
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@roamer_1
@Maj. Bill Martin
You're kidding right? Good God y'all, if this isn't typically Tumpist! At the national level?? Across two, maybe three elections, Conservatives increased by maybe 20 in the House Freedom Caucus, and maybe 5 freakin Senators. What the hell do you expect? How much can they rule or over rule with numbers that small? Your impatience is absurd. Still, how many times have you seen Cruz, Lee, Cotton, and Paul standing in the breach?
You see ACTUAL party building takes YEARS, but when you're done, you have ACTUAL power, and can pass ACTUAL legislation. The magic doesn't really start till you've captured 1/3rd or better of the party on the floor. Look at all the damage McCain and his cohorts did with 8 senators? Look at the only thing that got in their way, with only 5. What do you think happens with 10-20? What about 50-75 in the House?
Honestly, you're kind of arguing out of both sides of your mouth. Here, you're basically saying "it's not the tea parties fault that they couldn't accomplish that much", and I agree. But here's what you said earlier, which was the reason I responded:
In one election, the TEA Party did more for Conservatism than anything since the '94 election.
And that's what led me to ask you what exactly the tea parties accomplished. I'd say this -- I think they prevented Obama from getting legislation passed on immigration. They couldn't get a good bill, but they at least stopped Obama's. But they didn't actually move the ball in a positive direction at all. On any issue. And that's because there just weren't enough of them.
Trump has actually managed to get conservative justices appointed both to the Supreme Court, and to the lower federal courts as well. He's pushed as hard as he can on immigration, and finally got a case up to the Supreme Court where he is very likely to win. He's reduced regulation, and reduced taxes. Those are more actual policy accomplishments than anything the tea parties actually accomplished.
Now, do I wish he'd accomplished a lot more? Sure. I really wish the GOP in Congress would have gone along with Ryan's entitlement reform bill, but he didn't have the votes. He didn't have the votes to repeal ObamaCare either -- McCain screwed him and all of us as well. But here's my point: You apparently accept the tea party excuse of "we just didn't have enough votes" to explain why they couldn't accomplish policy changes, but refuse to accept the exact same excuse as to why Trump couldn't get rid of Obamacare, or reform entitlements and thereby control spending.
Trump is miles from perfect. But he has actually moved the ball in the right direction on a number of issues, which is more of an actual policy accomplishment than anything the Tea Party did.
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Honestly, you're kind of arguing out of both sides of your mouth. Here, you're basically saying "it's not the tea parties fault that they couldn't accomplish that much", and I agree. But here's what you said earlier, which was the reason I responded:
@Maj. Bill Martin
What I said is apples and oranges... Let me supply the entire context of the quote:
The point of the spear is the Tea Party. But I am not without hope. In one election, the TEA Party did more for Conservatism than anything since the '94 election. A record turnover of statehouses and governorships, vetting conservatives, and getting them elected from the ground up. ONE election, off-season, did that.
I was part of the grassroots of all that, and it took us two election cycles just to get the head of steam.
But the 'chapter' I was personally involve in made a serious difference. I really can't say more without imperiling my anonymity.
And that's what led me to ask you what exactly the tea parties accomplished. I'd say this -- I think they prevented Obama from getting legislation passed on immigration. They couldn't get a good bill, but they at least stopped Obama's. But they didn't actually move the ball in a positive direction at all. On any issue. And that's because there just weren't enough of them.
Right. Apples/oranges. Statehouses and governorships are not the national party. I know dang well we didn't have enough to overturn the national party. And that is not what I said. Nor is it realistic. It takes time for those put in place in statehouses and governorships to run their course and aim at national.
Trump has actually managed to get conservative justices appointed both to the Supreme Court, and to the lower federal courts as well.
No, he managed to get REPUBLICAN judges, vetted by McConnell, seated. I have my suspicions that is a far cry from Conservative.
He's pushed as hard as he can on immigration, and finally got a case up to the Supreme Court where he is very likely to win.
Ineffective so far - And probably going to remain ineffective. I want the wall as much as anyone, and credit (when) due... But the wall means nothing without patrols. Literally a false sense of security that two guys in a pickup with a cutting torch can deny. And those patrols are not there. No more garrisons built.
He's reduced regulation
True, but temporary, infinitesimal, and incidental.
[...] and reduced taxes.
WITHOUT REDUCING SPENDING - which is the GIGANTIC elephant in that room. 9999hair out0000
Those are more actual policy accomplishments than anything the tea parties actually accomplished.
No, they really aren't. No wait, that ain't fair - I will grant leave on the judges, because neither of us know that result, and won't for years. But i have been down this hopeful road before, with very little to show for it. Go look at how many judges other modern presidents have installed, and you might begin to see what I do. Where are all those 'conservative' judges Dubya seated (that is not an insignificant number)? I heard the same dang thing then.
But here's my point: You apparently accept the tea party excuse of "we just didn't have enough votes" to explain why they couldn't accomplish policy changes, but refuse to accept the exact same excuse as to why Trump couldn't get rid of Obamacare, or reform entitlements and thereby control spending.
Because the TEA Party is a different, and real, ground game. It isn't predicated on one man. It isn't made of shiny, bouncy crap, designed to fool the masses. It's a slow and determined and thankless task, out of the lime light, and long in the suffering.
There is no real and lasting win without legislation. And legislation requires numbers, coalitions, and real Conservatives at the levers. THAT is what the TEA party was doing. That is not what all y'all are doing.
That just doesn't happen in a single election with a Jumping-Jack-Flash slinging EOs like some gamer-style gunslinger. What you are supporting is as laughably false as Dubya was, and will vanish the very same way.
Trump is miles from perfect. But he has actually moved the ball in the right direction on a number of issues, which is more of an actual policy accomplishment than anything the Tea Party did.
That simply is not true. Nearly everything he has done is gone in a flash the minute the Dems ascend - Just like Obama before him. For the very same reason. What we DO get to keep is bigger government, and bigger bills, passed inevitably down to our grandchildren. Thank you very much for the courage of your convictions.
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@roamer_1
WITHOUT REDUCING SPENDING - which is the GIGANTIC elephant in that room.
The Tea Party didn't reduce spending either. And to your point, they couldn't because they didn't have the votes in Congress. I'm just suggesting you consider extending the same recognition of lack of votes in Congress to Trump. It's the lack of conservative votes in Congress that is the GIGANTIC elephant in the room. Trump supported Ryan's deficit reduction plan -- didn't have enough votes in Congress to win. He supported repealing Obamacare -- but again, didn't have enough votes in Congress to win. But you insist on blaming Trump for not reducing the deficit while simultaneously saying it's not fair to blame the Tea Party for failing to do the same. Yet in both cases, the culpable entity is Congress as a whole, and the lack of conservative votes. Why is that Trump's fault? if anything, he's been the guy chasing out the RINO's.
That simply is not true. Nearly everything he has done is gone in a flash the minute the Dems ascend - Just like Obama before him. For the very same reason. What we DO get to keep is bigger government, and bigger bills, passed inevitably down to our grandchildren. Thank you very much for the courage of your convictions.
It is true. Outside of ObamaCare, almost everything Obama accomplished was via Executive Order. It took awhile to get rid of those because of bogus court rulings, but Trump will end up winning on those, and getting rulings that those kind of EO's are unconstitutional. He's able to do that even though the Dems hold the House because they were only Obama Executive Orders in the first place.
But in additional to tossing Obama EO's and getting favorable court rulings, Trump also got actual legislation. The tax reform was huge -- easily the biggest, best tax bill since Reagan. He's building an actual wall along the most heavily crossed sections of the border, and if he gets a second term, he'll likely be able to complete it. That isn't nothing.
Anyway, I'll finish with this. I fully supported the Tea Party movement. And even though they didn't manage to gain control of Congress, they did enough to deny the Democrats control of Congress for the last six years of Obama, and so prevented them from enacting a ton of very, very bad legislation. That's a big positive, particularly in terms of immigration. Because if it hadn't been for the Tea Party, the Democrats likely would have enacted massive amnesty/legalization that would have granted citizenship to more than enough illegals to swing every future national election. So thank you for your efforts with the Tea Party, because that was huge.
However...I'd suggest that perhaps Trump be viewed the same way, and why a vote for him is so important. Because if he doesn't win, and at least "do nothing", we're going to get a Democrat who at the barest minimum will appoint left wing activists judges. And then they won't need control of both houses, because those activists judges and Justices will then ram through as constitutional mandates most of the things we both oppose. Immigration...the whole thing. And then the game really will be over, because you can't get rid of those Supreme Court opinions without control of both the Presidency and the Senate, and if they get their mass legalization, we will have no shot at any of that, ever again.
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It takes leadership to get the votes to reduce borrowed spending.
There is no leadership in D.C. these days.
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The Tea Party didn't reduce spending either. And to your point, they couldn't because they didn't have the votes in Congress. I'm just suggesting you consider extending the same recognition of lack of votes in Congress to Trump. It's the lack of conservative votes in Congress that is the GIGANTIC elephant in the room. Trump supported Ryan's deficit reduction plan -- didn't have enough votes in Congress to win. He supported repealing Obamacare -- but again, didn't have enough votes in Congress to win. But you insist on blaming Trump for not reducing the deficit while simultaneously saying it's not fair to blame the Tea Party for failing to do the same. Yet in both cases, the culpable entity is Congress as a whole, and the lack of conservative votes. Why is that Trump's fault? if anything, he's been the guy chasing out the RINO's.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Don't forget that congress gave him the budget bills with only a week or so before he would have to close the government and get beat up over that.... No way out...
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However...I'd suggest that perhaps Trump be viewed the same way, and why a vote for him is so important. Because if he doesn't win, and at least "do nothing", we're going to get a Democrat who at the barest minimum will appoint left wing activists judges. And then they won't need control of both houses, because those activists judges and Justices will then ram through as constitutional mandates most of the things we both oppose. Immigration...the whole thing. And then the game really will be over, because you can't get rid of those Supreme Court opinions without control of both the Presidency and the Senate, and if they get their mass legalization, we will have no shot at any of that, ever again.
@Maj. Bill Martin
These self-centered "purists" understand this as well as you or I,and they just don't care. What they care about is being able to stand on the heads of their little "Purity Pins" and do their little "Purity/Superiority Dances".
You would think they were all 6 years old instead of 60 years old.
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These self-centered "purists" understand this as well as you or I,and they just don't care. What they care about is being able to stand on the heads of their little "Purity Pins" and do their little "Purity/Superiority Dances".
You would think they were all 6 years old instead of 60 years old.
To be honest, I don't think the put-downs are very effective at getting people to see things from a different perspective.
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To be honest, I don't think the put-downs are very effective at getting people to see things from a different perspective.
@Maj. Bill Martin
More counter-productive than anything because they expressly state "MY way,or the highway!" Who the hell WANTS to live under a dictatorship?
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@Maj. Bill Martin
More counter-productive than anything because they expressly state "MY way,or the highway!" Who the hell WANTS to live under a dictatorship?
In fairness to those guys, they're really not advocating a dictatorship. They're simply saying we should vote differently.
For me, Trump initially was not my first, or even tenth, choice in 2016. But he's been better than I thought he'd be in terms of policy, especially on those crucial lifetime appointments. And realistically, either he or the Democrat is going to be President in 2020. So even if Trump is a big nothing who doesn't do anything about the deficit, he's still light-years ahead of Democrats who will game the election system so that we have absolutely no chance of electing someone better in future elections.
Right now, it's all about the border and citizenship/amnesty for illegals. It's the issue that trumps (pun intended) everything else because losing means they will rig the system so that they'll win all future elections.
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So even if Trump is a big nothing who doesn't do anything about the deficit, he's still light-years ahead of Democrats who will game the election system so that we have absolutely no chance of electing someone better in future elections.
That is true. There is little doubt that if Democrats, in this era of Socialism and hyper-partisanship, if the Dems ever gain the Presidency and the Senate, the first order of business will be to limit the power of elections somehow. They would likely change the entire foundation of the way American elections are conducted to favor the Left (more than it does already), with the ultimate goal of eliminating public elections altogether. Senators will 'elect' other Senators and so on like that.
We have seen through this 'fake' impeachment that Democrats have no respect for the rule of Law, the Constitution, or the American People. If they ever get enough power to make it happen, they would immediately change the election rules so that no Republican (the Party of freedom) would ever be elected ever again. Congress would become a Soviet style politburo. The Presidency would become a kind of socialist dictatorship through executive orders, and the American People would become powerless serfs in a socialist autocracy.
This is the Democrats' (if you can still call them that name) ultimate goal. They do not want only a coup against Trump. They want a coup over all of America.
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The Tea Party didn't reduce spending either.
In fact, I'll bet they did - But you would have to go into the statehouses and governorships to find that out. Again, the emphasis of the TEA party was ground-up. You are focused on national, where the TEA party had barely begun.
And to your point, they couldn't because they didn't have the votes in Congress. I'm just suggesting you consider extending the same recognition of lack of votes in Congress to Trump.
No, Tump is a one hit wonder at best - The TEA Party was/is ongoing. WHATEVER Tumpy is going to do is DONE in 4/8 years. And he has done absolutely nothing to reign in spending and balance budgets (one of his primary promises). Not even a single veto. Not even significant dickering. He just signs the bill. FOR TRILLIONS... And somehow remains unaccountable. **nononono*
It's the lack of conservative votes in Congress that is the GIGANTIC elephant in the room. Trump supported Ryan's deficit reduction plan -- didn't have enough votes in Congress to win. He supported repealing Obamacare -- but again, didn't have enough votes in Congress to win.
Alright... Not enough Conservatives... Forged by the same shallow pragmatism and Republican-ism that forged Tump. Your rah-rah bullcrap is getting in your own way.
But you insist on blaming Trump for not reducing the deficit while simultaneously saying it's not fair to blame the Tea Party for failing to do the same. Yet in both cases, the culpable entity is Congress as a whole, and the lack of conservative votes.
And again, barely begun to be effected by the TEA Party Movement - The movement defamed and destroyed at the national level BY Tump and the moderates.
Were you serious, you'd be voting for Conservatives. That's how you get more Conservatives IN CONGRESS so that there are MORE CONSERVATIVE VOTES. That is all I am doing.
Why is that Trump's fault? if anything, he's been the guy chasing out the RINO's.
The more salient question is: Why ISN'T it Tump's fault? I am on record here screaming 'throw the bastards out' - I am not limiting blame to Tump. But neither will I hold him unaccountable.
And no, the RINOs (moderate globalists) are largely intact, and STILL in power, hand in hand with Tumpy the Clown. It is the Conservatives that have been decimated. Derailed in elections by the RNC, Defamed, or cast out in the ether by Tumpy's nuclear powered revolving door, spinning like a desktop fan... There are hardly any Conservatives left. Go find how many 90%+ Conservatives now walk the halls of Congress.
It is true. Outside of ObamaCare, almost everything Obama accomplished was via Executive Order. It took awhile to get rid of those because of bogus court rulings, but Trump will end up winning on those, and getting rulings that those kind of EO's are unconstitutional. He's able to do that even though the Dems hold the House because they were only Obama Executive Orders in the first place.
But in additional to tossing Obama EO's and getting favorable court rulings, Trump also got actual legislation. The tax reform was huge -- easily the biggest, best tax bill since Reagan. He's building an actual wall along the most heavily crossed sections of the border, and if he gets a second term, he'll likely be able to complete it. That isn't nothing.
You are making my case. Obama and Tump are identical in their governing... or will be if Tumpy gets another term... Each has one significant bill to their credit, passed as law... All the rest they have done has been by EO, and what has happened to Obama's legacy, which you are lauding Tump for, will just as quickly happen to Tump's.
It's the same dang thing. Just opposite sides of the coin... EOs mean nothing. They are temporary.
As to the wall, as I said, until the wall is there and garrisoned, yes, it is nothing. Blocking high traffic is like damming water. It just goes somewhere else.
Anyway, I'll finish with this. I fully supported the Tea Party movement. And even though they didn't manage to gain control of Congress, they did enough to deny the Democrats control of Congress for the last six years of Obama, and so prevented them from enacting a ton of very, very bad legislation. That's a big positive, particularly in terms of immigration. Because if it hadn't been for the Tea Party, the Democrats likely would have enacted massive amnesty/legalization that would have granted citizenship to more than enough illegals to swing every future national election. So thank you for your efforts with the Tea Party, because that was huge.
:beer: Right. All that without a focus on national offices. All that with but a handful of true stalwarts.
However...I'd suggest that perhaps Trump be viewed the same way, and why a vote for him is so important. Because if he doesn't win, and at least "do nothing", we're going to get a Democrat who at the barest minimum will appoint left wing activists judges.
I do not suppose Tump to be doing nothing... I submit he is in bed with the globalist moderates. Thus his judges, vetted throug McConnell, are just activists of another flavor, and I will bet money that flavor is NOT Conservative.
I view the globalist moderate right to be every bit as dangerous as the communist left. So your argument fails right there.
And then they won't need control of both houses, because those activists judges and Justices will then ram through as constitutional mandates most of the things we both oppose. Immigration...the whole thing. And then the game really will be over, because you can't get rid of those Supreme Court opinions without control of both the Presidency and the Senate, and if they get their mass legalization, we will have no shot at any of that, ever again.
Fair - But immigration is not stopping. Nor is the wall there. Tump has made noise toward path-to-citizenship, just like every other damn moderate globalist. And I fully expect amnesty out of this president in his second term.
Neither is immigration 'the thing'... Spending is every bit as much as big a 'thing'. An exponentially growing by trillions thing. A 'See you in Venezuela' thing.
Our hollowed out education system is another 'thing' That indoctrination and propaganda system remains untouched, and needs to stop right now.
And an hundred other aspects of THE THING. None of that is being touched. And Big Gvt Tump is the best we can do? Dismal.
What has to happen is exactly the 'purity' all y'all decry. A Republican big tent is precisely useless, as it has proven to be for decades. Except in its cover for New World Order Globalists.
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That is true. There is little doubt that if Democrats, in this era of Socialism and hyper-partisanship, if the Dems ever gain the Presidency and the Senate, the first order of business will be to limit the power of elections somehow.
No that is not true, or rather, only half true.
Look up 3rd-way Socialism, and apply it to government/corporate partnerships... Globalist Corporate Cronyism. That's what is getting your full-throated support as a Republican.
Your choice is Democrat global communism, centered in the committees of the UN, or Republican global NWO 3rd-way Socialism centered in board rooms.
I suggest that neither one should be supported. The only choice is not to choose, and work on another way.
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I do not suppose Tump to be doing nothing... I submit he is in bed with the globalist moderates. Thus his judges, vetted throug McConnell, are just activists of another flavor, and I will bet money that flavor is NOT Conservative.
Trump's judges are getting vetted by the Federalist Society, not by McConnell. In any case, if you truly believe your bolded language is true, then there is absolutely no hope anyway. Because if the judges being pushed by the Federalist Society are just activists of another flavor as you say, then we have no other pool of conservative judges anywhere, and we're doomed to an activist, progressive court no matter who we elect. And that kind of a court can bowl over the Tea Party at the federal or state level, and barely register a speed bump.
As a more than 30 year member of the Federalist Society myself, I personally am quite certain you are wrong about that. Not every appointee is a hard core judicial conservative, but Trump is absolutely skimming the cream of the crop of those judicial candidates most conservative lawyers like me would love to see on the Court. And I say that having read many thousands of court decisions in my time practicing law.
By the way, membership in the Federalist Society is not restricted just to lawyers. Anyone can join and attend the National Convention. You might be pleasantly surprised at what you might hear there.
https://fedsoc.org/about-us
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Trump's judges are getting vetted by the Federalist Society, not by McConnell. In any case, if you truly believe your bolded language is true, then there is absolutely no hope anyway. Because if the judges being pushed by the Federalist Society are just activists of another flavor as you say, then we have no other pool of conservative judges anywhere, and we're doomed to an activist, progressive court no matter who we elect. And that kind of a court can bowl over the Tea Party at the federal or state level, and barely register a speed bump.
As a more than 30 year member of the Federalist Society myself, I personally am quite certain you are wrong about that. Not every appointee is a hard core judicial conservative, but Trump is absolutely skimming the cream of the crop of those judicial candidates most conservative lawyers like me would love to see on the Court. And I say that having read many thousands of court decisions in my time practicing law.
And Heritage Foundation as well - And my primary flag on the play is Jim DeMint stepping down.
I have come to hold all Republican groups as questionable. I could tell you horror stories about NRTL, and others that I was a rainmaker for for many years... I am incredibly jaded, not by mere observation, but because I too have been active, at the regional level on the business/money side of things. I KNOW it's bullcrap. I KNOW most of these societies are puppets, speaking the right things to endlessly feed the beast. Why do you think that nothing has changed in DECADES?
So yeah, I don;t trust a single dang thing that McConnell and the moderates do. To include your judges, regardless of your endorsement, and Tump, who is all cozied up
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No that is not true, or rather, only half true.
Pelosi has not 'indicated' or 'implied' that she wants to do away with public elections, she has said so openly, obviously, and straightforward. She has said that the public cannot be trusted with voting for the 'correct' person. She makes no secret of it. She wants the House and the Senate to determine elections, not the American People. And if she had the power to make that happen, she and her supporters and fellow Democrats, would do it in less than one second.
If the Democrats cannot fix and control public elections, then they would rather simply do away with it and take that power to themselves.
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Pelosi has not 'indicated' or 'implied' that she wants to do away with public elections, she has said so openly, obviously, and straightforward. She has said that the public cannot be trusted with voting for the 'correct' person. She makes no secret of it. She wants the House and the Senate to determine elections, not the American People. And if she had the power to make that happen, she and her supporters and fellow Democrats, would do it in less than one second.
If the Democrats cannot fix and control public elections, then they would rather simply do away with it and take that power to themselves.
So what?
If the globalist RNC decides who gets to run, and third parties are a waste of time, your vote is a choice from an approved subset anyway.
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I agree with that. My point is that whatever the standard is for success, it should be the same for both the tea parties and for Trump. And honestly, I see Trump having accomplished more for conservatism than did the tea parties. But I do give the tea parties credit for holding the line on some things so that they didn't get worse. Immigration in particular. They forced Obama to do things by executive order, and thus made them much easier to reverse later on.
Which is where the Dems have Trump now.
A Handful of TEA party folks in the house is a small voice, not an effective majority, yet they've been heard. Add to those numbers, and you start to have the force needed to enact legislation. Without those numbers there is nothing. As I said, this will take time, but the goal should be to have as conservative as possible presence in the House and Senate, and the White House, too. The goal should be as I have stated, but progress in that direction will be incremental.
To borrow from the enemy playbook, the journey of 1000 miles begins with one step.
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So what?
If the globalist RNC decides who gets to run, and third parties are a waste of time, your vote is a choice from an approved subset anyway.
Yea, I see your point. You are right. Doing away with public elections would have no effect at all.
I see the error in my thinking now.
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Yea, I see your point. You are right. Doing away with public elections would have no effect at all.
I see the error in my thinking now.
Oh. I get it - We do want to keep up appearances. Thanks for your correction.
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Pelosi has not 'indicated' or 'implied' that she wants to do away with public elections, she has said so openly, obviously, and straightforward. She has said that the public cannot be trusted with voting for the 'correct' person. She makes no secret of it. She wants the House and the Senate to determine elections, not the American People. And if she had the power to make that happen, she and her supporters and fellow Democrats, would do it in less than one second.
If the Democrats cannot fix and control public elections, then they would rather simply do away with it and take that power to themselves.
100% correct. Even after today's demonstration of massive public support for the Constitution, General Assembly Democrats are vowing that it will not dissuade them from expanding their gun grab.
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Exactly right. And... funny how the ones that claim they "have no dog in this hunt" and refuse to get out and vote against the gun-grabbing leftists always seem to have a LOT to say about the aftermath of not voting against the radical left. Stop talking, stop whining and vote next time, dammit!
They are intellectually dishonest. A
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So what?
If the globalist RNC decides who gets to run, and third parties are a waste of time, your vote is a choice from an approved subset anyway.
They didn't want Trump, did they. We had a choice and took it.
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Prayers for our members that went to Virginia to march for their rights. Thank you too !
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100% correct. Even after today's demonstration of massive public support for the Constitution, General Assembly Democrats are vowing that it will not dissuade them from expanding their gun grab.
Overall, a great PR victory for 2A advocates yesterday. They may not go on record of being dissuaded, but the gun grabbing faction lost the momentum yesterday. Kudos to the particpants.
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They didn't want Trump, did they. We had a choice and took it.
I don't think that's true.
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I don't think that's true.
I think it's true.
He took the Nomination away from sixteen (16) other declared candidates.
By getting more votes than everybody.
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I think it's true.
He took the Nomination away from sixteen (16) other declared candidates.
By getting more votes than everybody.
And then got right in bed with the moderates.
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Wasn't this thread about Northam?
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And then got right in bed with the moderates.
A non-sequitur, champ. Focus.
The people made a choice.
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A non-sequitur, champ. Focus.
The people made a choice.
The point being whether the choices are pre-selected... Tumpy sure fell in quick with the moderates.
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The point being whether the choices are pre-selected... Tumpy sure fell in quick with the moderates.
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The point being whether the choices are pre-selected... Tumpy sure fell in quick with the moderates.
An elected representative is obligated to represent the interested of ALL of his/her constituents, not just the ones that like him/her or want him/her to do certain things.
To do otherwise is called a dictatorship.
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catfish wrote:
"Overall, a great PR victory for 2A advocates yesterday. They may not go on record of being dissuaded, but the gun grabbing faction lost the momentum yesterday."
No "momentum" was lost.
The democrat-communists STILL HAVE the votes to ram through their anti-gun agenda.
I predict that that's exactly what they will do.
If 100,000 had shown up, it would have made no difference.
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catfish wrote:
"Overall, a great PR victory for 2A advocates yesterday. They may not go on record of being dissuaded, but the gun grabbing faction lost the momentum yesterday."
No "momentum" was lost.
The democrat-communists STILL HAVE the votes to ram through their anti-gun agenda.
I predict that that's exactly what they will do.
If 100,000 had shown up, it would have made no difference.
True enough, they have the bit in their teeth. The Dems are pushing on all fronts...
But what it did, was louse up their whole "guns=violence" thingy, tearing blocks out of the very foundation of their whole argument for gun control. It sets the stage for reversal, and in the meantime, I'd wager a lot of arms will be well concealed until such time as they need to be exhumed, or can safely be brought back into the light, as legal possessions in VA.
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True enough, they have the bit in their teeth. The Dems are pushing on all fronts...
But what it did, was louse up their whole "guns=violence" thingy, tearing blocks out of the very foundation of their whole argument for gun control. It sets the stage for reversal, and in the meantime, I'd wager a lot of arms will be well concealed until such time as they need to be exhumed, or can safely be brought back into the light, as legal possessions in VA.
I read somewhere today that the state legislature has another dozen or so new gun control bills they are getting ready to introduce... it is not over yet..
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I read somewhere today that the state legislature has another dozen or so new gun control bills they are getting ready to introduce... it is not over yet..
I am sure Rabid Ralphie and his wolf pack will push this as far as they can.