The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: RoosGirl on May 21, 2018, 02:56:18 am
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President Donald Trump’s top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, says it’s not his job to weigh in on his boss’ repeated threats against private e-commerce company Amazon.
“That’s not in my lane,†Kudlow, who chairs the White House’s National Economic Council, said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week.†“I can’t really comment specifically. I haven’t looked at that.â€
“Well it comes under the National Economic Council, doesn’t it?†asked host George Stephanopoulos.
“Well, I suppose so,†Kudlow responded. “I haven’t really been involved in that discussion. Look, the president is a man of many opinions. It’s up to him. He may be carrying the ball. I can’t really comment on it.â€
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-amazon-larry-kudlow_us_5b01807fe4b0463cdba35548 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-amazon-larry-kudlow_us_5b01807fe4b0463cdba35548)
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Kudlow would know lanes - life in the fast lane. There were lines on the mirror, lines on her face.
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@Cyber Liberty
Dictator Trump wants to double the amount of Amazon postage; that hurts everyone who needs to, or wants to, buy from Amazon. Dictator Trump through Sessions is going to limit the amount of opioids a company can make so there won't be enough to fill a doctor's prescription - that affects everyone who needs them. This Dictator Trump administration is a dictatorship taking away the freedom of companies to sell their products as they want and the freedom of customers trying to buy those products. Dictator Trump doesn't care about what hurts people - he only cares about himself, as in, "Look at me, I won over the owner of Amazon whom I hate! Look at me, I won the war against drugs - less prescriptions filled by pharmacies!" Dictator Trump.
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@Cyber Liberty
Dictator Trump wants to double the amount of Amazon postage; that hurts everyone who needs to, or wants to, buy from Amazon. Dictator Trump through Sessions is going to limit the amount of opioids a company can make so there won't be enough to fill a doctor's prescription - that affects everyone who needs them. This Dictator Trump administration is a dictatorship taking away the freedom of companies to sell their products as they want and the freedom of customers trying to buy those products. Dictator Trump doesn't care about what hurts people - he only cares about himself, as in, "Look at me, I won over the owner of Amazon whom I hate! Look at me, I won the war against drugs - less prescriptions filled by pharmacies!" Dictator Trump.
@Victoria33
Good grief its really time to take a deep breath.
The post office gave Amazon a price which is below their cost. That means the taxpayer is currently paying part of the delivery cost for every Amazon package delivered.
Only a lunatic would want that to continue.
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Everyone in the package business gets the same deal. Amazon just benefits most, due to business volume.
"We never said Amazon is getting a $1.50 subsidy," Citi analyst Christian Wetherbee told Business Insider on Monday in a discussion of misinterpretations of the report, which actually says the loss per package is roughly $1.46 for the USPS.
Wetherbee continued: "If you read what that number is, it's the total package business is priced below cost. It has nothing to do with Amazon specifically."
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4)
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@Victoria33
Good grief its really time to take a deep breath.
The post office gave Amazon a price which is below their cost. That means the taxpayer is currently paying part of the delivery cost for every Amazon package delivered.
Only a lunatic would want that to continue.
Sorry, the only reason why Trump is after Amazon, is that Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
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Everyone in the package business gets the same deal. Amazon just benefits most, due to business volume.
"We never said Amazon is getting a $1.50 subsidy," Citi analyst Christian Wetherbee told Business Insider on Monday in a discussion of misinterpretations of the report, which actually says the loss per package is roughly $1.46 for the USPS.
Wetherbee continued: "If you read what that number is, it's the total package business is priced below cost. It has nothing to do with Amazon specifically."
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4)
@edpc
So you're ok with the taxpayers subsidizing package delivery?
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Sorry, the only reason why Trump is after Amazon, is that Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
Plus, the envy factor - he’s 20X richer.
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Sorry, the only reason why Trump is after Amazon, is that Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
@kevindavis
And what is the only reason the Washington Post is after Trump?
hmmm?
Next you're gonna say the Washington Post is the poster child for journalistic integrity.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
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@Victoria33
Good grief its really time to take a deep breath.
The post office gave Amazon a price which is below their cost. That means the taxpayer is currently paying part of the delivery cost for every Amazon package delivered.
Only a lunatic would want that to continue.
Sorry, that's not even true. USPS is not allowed, by law, to charge below their cost.
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Kudlow would know lanes - life in the fast lane. There were lines on the mirror, lines on her face.
Surely make you lose your mind.
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@Victoria33
Good grief its really time to take a deep breath.
The post office gave Amazon a price which is below their cost. That means the taxpayer is currently paying part of the delivery cost for every Amazon package delivered.
Only a lunatic would want that to continue.
@driftdiver @Victoria33
Right because the USPS should cut off the ONLY profitable portion of their business model...express shipping.
Taxpayers aren't paying crap to fund anything with Amazon. The money Amazon spends with the postal service is such an amount that the profit the USPS makes from their express shipping pays for other non profitable portions of postal delivery...like rural delivery.
In recent years, the Postal Service’s salvation has been in providing the last mile to large package delivery companies on less than urgent shipments. This means that Fedex, UPS and others can drop packages at your local post office and the Postal Service sends those out with your letter carrier.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/30/trumps-got-it-all-wrong-about-amazon.html (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/30/trumps-got-it-all-wrong-about-amazon.html)
"We never said Amazon is getting a $1.50 subsidy," Citi analyst Christian Wetherbee told Business Insider on Monday in a discussion of misinterpretations of the report, which actually says the loss per package is roughly $1.46 for the USPS.
Wetherbee continued:
The Citi report did find that the USPS' current pricing model is "unsustainable," as the USPS continues to bleed money that it needs to invest in benefits and other things such as new delivery vehicles. The Citi report estimated that a USPS price hike that would put the USPS on more even playing ground with competitors such as FedEx and UPS would cost Amazon $2.6 billion annually.
"Their business has been built, almost, on the back of this pricing model," Wetherbee said.
"Whether they're taking advantage of it or not," Wetherbee continued, "or just being astute players in the market and taking advantage of the cost arbitration, they are the ones who have probably leveraged it the most."
In other words, despite Trump's argument, Amazon is far from the only company that's getting an especially good deal from the USPS as the postal service bleeds cash. However, Amazon is shipping far more packages than other companies — meaning it is also saving much more money.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4)
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Sorry, that's not even true. USPS is not allowed, by law, to charge below their cost.
@RoosGirl
She shoots ANNNNDDDD MISSES the net by a mile
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@driftdiver @Victoria33
Right because the USPS should cut off the ONLY profitable portion of their business model...express shipping.
Taxpayers aren't paying crap to fund anything with Amazon. The money Amazon spends with the postal service is such an amount that the profit the USPS makes from their express shipping pays for other non profitable portions of postal delivery...like rural delivery.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/30/trumps-got-it-all-wrong-about-amazon.html (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/30/trumps-got-it-all-wrong-about-amazon.html)
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4)
@txradioguy
You musta went to a good socialist school. Cause if it costs more to do something then you can charge for it then the difference is not a profit.
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The post office kerfuffle is just another case where we have to take the President seriously but not literally.
Kudlow is saying it's not his lane to avoid being the target of a twitter rant by Trump.
As an economic advisor it is very much his lane to advice the President on things like this and to correct him when he's wrong.
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@edpc
So you're ok with the taxpayers subsidizing package delivery?
I’m OK with someone using a deal to maximum benefit within the law. It’s not Amazon’s fault Congress booted it. If they want to change it, fine, but we’re not owed anything.
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I’m OK with someone using a deal to maximum benefit within the law. It’s not Amazon’s fault Congress booted it. If they want to change it, fine, but we’re not owed anything.
@edpc
You NTs bitch and moan about everything Trump. he doesn't do this in a day, he didn't do that. He's pointing out that Amazon (among others) is getting a huge benefit that is screwing the taxpayers and you folks defend the leftists.
Yes you defend the leftists. Now inquiring minds find that curious and wonder why on earth you would defend the fleecing of taxpayers.
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I'm gonna go order a bunch off stuff from Amazon. Thats everyone for paying my shipping costs. Its much appreciated.
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@edpc
You NTs bitch and moan about everything Trump. he doesn't do this in a day, he didn't do that. He's pointing out that Amazon (among others) is getting a huge benefit that is screwing the taxpayers and you folks defend the leftists.
Yes you defend the leftists. Now inquiring minds find that curious and wonder why on earth you would defend the fleecing of taxpayers.
Yes god forbid we question the moron moves by the Dear Leader. Amazon did nothing wrong or illegal. I'll say this again, the only reason that Trump is after Amazon cause Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
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@txradioguy
You musta went to a good socialist school. Cause if it costs more to do something then you can charge for it then the difference is not a profit.
Nope. I just paid attention in school when it came to economics.
The Post Office set up the crappy business model. It's not Amazon's nor any other online retailer's fault and they shouldn't be punished or excoriated for taking advantage of the current business model the USPS has going.
Especially when it's the only profitable part of the postal system these days.
It's the same business model for shipping that Trump took advantage of with Trump Steaks
If Jeff Bezos was the CEO of any other online sales company Trump would still come after him and bash the company. In reality this has nothing to do with economics or the postal service.
Trumps rage isn't about Amazon...it's about Bezos and the crappy coverage Trump gets in the Washington Post.
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@RoosGirl
She shoots ANNNNDDDD MISSES the net by a mile
@driftdiver
Well, you can read it right from the USPS. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe what the CFO of the USPS has to say about it.
USPS CFO responds to Wall Street Journal article
August 01, 2017
Dear Editor,
While Josh Sandbulte gets some things right about the Postal Service in his self-serving opinion piece “Why the Post Office Gives Amazon Special Delivery†(July 14): he provides an inaccurate and unfair account of the package delivery side of our business.
By law our competitive package products, including those that we deliver for Amazon, must cover their costs. Our regulator, the Postal Regulatory Commission (PRC), looks carefully at this question every year and has determined that they do. The PRC has also noted that competitive products help fund the infrastructure of the Postal Service. It is that infrastructure that enables us to fulfill our universal service obligation to deliver to each and every address in the United States at an affordable rate.
The PRC has also concluded every year that products covered by the letter monopoly do not cross-subsidize the Postal Service’s competitive products. The reason we continue to attract e-commerce customers and business partners is because our customers see the value of our predictable service, enhanced visibility, and competitive pricing.
Despite our achievements in improving operational efficiency and growing revenue, we cannot overcome systemic financial imbalances caused by legal and other constraints. For instance, the Postal Service’s ability to adjust prices of products that produce over 70 percent of our revenue is restrained by an austere price cap that does not take changes in Postal Service volumes and costs into account, and hence is wholly unsuitable to ensuring the Postal Service’s continued ability to provide prompt and reliable universal services in a self-sufficient manner.
There is a path forward that depends upon the passage of provisions in H.R. 756 postal reform bill, combined with a favorable outcome of the PRC’s 10-year pricing system review and continued innovation and aggressive management actions.
With that, the Postal Service can meet all its obligations and continue to provide the service that all Americans, including those “traditional retailers,†deserve.
Sincerely,
Joseph Corbett
Chief Financial Officer
United States Postal Service
Washington, DC
http://about.usps.com/news/statements/080117.htm (http://about.usps.com/news/statements/080117.htm)
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I'm gonna go order a bunch off stuff from Amazon. Thats everyone for paying my shipping costs. Its much appreciated.
I have Prime so my shipping is free.
And all you're doing is paying for someone who lives at the end of a dirt road in Floyds Knob, Kentucky to get their mail as cheaply as someone in Louisville.
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@Victoria33
Good grief its really time to take a deep breath.
The post office gave Amazon a price which is below their cost. That means the taxpayer is currently paying part of the delivery cost for every Amazon package delivered.
Only a lunatic would want that to continue.
No, it did not. In fact, the post office is legally barred from charging below its cost.
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No, it did not. In fact, the post office is legally barred from charging below its cost.
Yeah, I told him that. He won't believe you. I posted proof in the form of a statement directly from the USPS saying such. But no, this is NT's fault for bitching about everything Trump does. *****rollingeyes*****
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I have Prime so my shipping is free.
And all you're doing is paying for someone who lives at the end of a dirt road in Floyds Knob, Kentucky to get their mail as cheaply as someone in Louisville.
@txradioguy
Free, yes indeed. Bernie says a lot of things are free
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@edpc
You NTs bitch and moan about everything Trump. he doesn't do this in a day, he didn't do that. He's pointing out that Amazon (among others) is getting a huge benefit that is screwing the taxpayers and you folks defend the leftists.
Yes you defend the leftists. Now inquiring minds find that curious and wonder why on earth you would defend the fleecing of taxpayers.
I don’t begrudge Trump writing off $900M in losses through tax law. It was legal and something he’s quite proud of doing. He can go bleep in his MAGA hat about someone else benefiting from lousy government policy.
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Yes god forbid we question the moron moves by the Dear Leader. Amazon did nothing wrong or illegal. I'll say this again, the only reason that Trump is after Amazon cause Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
I take offense at you using ex presidents Obama's title in your post to reference Mr. Trump.
Please correct this egregious error or I shall have to report you the the management of the establishment.
Thank you
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Yeah, I told him that. He won't believe you. I posted proof in the form of a statement directly from the USPS saying such. But no, this is NT's fault for bitching about everything Trump does. *****rollingeyes*****
@RoosGirl
No, its all your fault. Everything is your fault. Probably because you're a chick.
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Amazon is already developing it's own "Prime Air" delivery service. At some point in the near future they won't need the USPS at all.
If the President continues his uninformed attack on Amazon it will do nothing but speed up Amazon's plans.
Then everyone can sit around and bitch about back in the day when it used to cost .50 to mail a letter when now it costs $5.
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I don’t begrudge Trump writing off $900M in losses through tax law. It was legal and something he’s quite proud of doing. He can go bleep in his MAGA hat about someone else benefiting from lousy government policy.
@edpc
Yes and damn ANYONE who makes any comments about EVER trying to change said policy. Yep its the LAW so its ok.
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@RoosGirl
No, its all your fault. Everything is your fault. Probably because you're a chick.
Just admit you're wrong on this. I've provided proof. You're wrong.
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Just admit you're wrong on this. I've provided proof. You're wrong.
@RoosGirl
No, I'm just not simple minded enough to believe that an organization with 100% of every customer in the market and still loses money every single year is being truthful when they say they are delivering these packages at more than their cost.
hmmmm funny dat
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@txradioguy
Free, yes indeed. Bernie says a lot of things are free
Bernie...like Trump wants to punish those that are successful despite Government roadblocks.
I pay @119 a year to get most of what I buy from Amazon for free. And for the ability to use the streaming services and the other wonderful features of my Amazon Echo.
And unlike Bernie...I believe if you want something you have to pay for it...not have it handed to you for nothing.
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Just admit you're wrong on this. I've provided proof. You're wrong.
He won't. The stress of it would be too much.
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Nope. I just paid attention in school when it came to economics.
The Post Office set up the crappy business model. It's not Amazon's nor any other online retailer's fault and they shouldn't be punished or excoriated for taking advantage of the current business model the USPS has going.
Especially when it's the only profitable part of the postal system these days.
It's the same business model for shipping that Trump took advantage of with Trump Steaks
If Jeff Bezos was the CEO of any other online sales company Trump would still come after him and bash the company. In reality this has nothing to do with economics or the postal service.
Trumps rage isn't about Amazon...it's about Bezos and the crappy coverage Trump gets in the Washington Post.
I see a correlation here. For years the idiot left has been demonizing Walmart for (gasp!) offering lower (affordable) prices for their goods... with the accusation being they're putting "mom & pop shops" out of business. Well, if mom & pop shops charge more for their goods ... then perhaps the free market, working as it's supposed to, is what's putting them out of biz.... not Walmart.
Same thing here with Amazon. If Amazon can provide services cheaper than the propped up, ever-increasingly inefficient Post Office.... that's also a product of the free market... and Trump should stay the hell out of it with his petty tweet-wars crap. Amazon is doing nothing illegal, IOW.
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@RoosGirl
No, I'm just not simple minded enough to believe that an organization with 100% of every customer in the market and still loses money every single year is being truthful when they say they are delivering these packages at more than their cost.
hmmmm funny dat
You should contact your congressman then and have him look into how the USPS is breaking federal law. Or you could look a little more into it and understand what the USPS is actually loosing money on. Hint: It ain't Amazon packages.
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Bernie...like Trump wants to punish those that are successful despite Government roadblocks.
I pay @119 a year to get most of what I buy from Amazon for free. And for the ability to use the streaming services and the other wonderful features of my Amazon Echo.
And unlike Bernie...I believe if you want something you have to pay for it...not have it handed to you for nothing.
Hey, don't say that too loudly and give the ratfink socialists any 'more' ideas. Next thing ya know, they'll be whining about their constituents (Holder's people?) not all having Amazon Echo and equal access to Alexa.
I'm still laughing at all the folks that feel the need to grocery shop with an Obamaphone stuck in their ear.
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Same thing here with Amazon. If Amazon can provide services cheaper than the propped up, ever-increasingly inefficient Post Office.... that's also a product of the free market... and Trump should stay the hell out of it with his petty tweet-wars crap. Amazon is doing nothing illegal, IOW.
EXACTLY!
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He won't. The stress of it would be too much.
@txradioguy
Says the guy that thinks things are free. FREEE I say.
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Just admit you're wrong on this. I've provided proof. You're wrong.
Of course, by law the USPS must cover their costs with their competitive package delivery products including Amazon. This has been addressed ad nauseam. Trump beats this drum apparently as a result of a personal vendetta against Bezos. Like Trump himself, some of his supporters are just incapable of saying something like: "I was wrong on the facts. Thank you for providing me with correct and accurate information."
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Hey, don't say that too loudly and give the ratfink socialists any 'more' ideas. Next thing ya know, they'll be whining about their constituents (Holder's people?) not all having Amazon Echo and equal access to Alexa.
Nah the freebie will be the Google Home.
I'm still laughing at all the folks that feel the need to grocery shop with an Obamaphone stuck in their ear.
Yeah...funny how that works.
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@txradioguy
Says the guy that thinks things are free. FREEE I say.
You say that...I never have. Once again you're showing your admitted compunction for lying about what people actually said and not caring.
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I see a correlation here. For years the idiot left has been demonizing Walmart for (gasp!) offering lower (affordable) prices for their goods... with the accusation being they're putting "mom & pop shops" out of business. Well, if mom & pop shops charge more for their goods ... then perhaps the free market, working as it's supposed to, is what's putting them out of biz.... not Walmart.
Same thing here with Amazon. If Amazon can provide services cheaper than the propped up, ever-increasingly inefficient Post Office.... that's also a product of the free market... and Trump should stay the hell out of it with his petty tweet-wars crap. Amazon is doing nothing illegal, IOW.
I remember some people at the TOS attacking Walmart for that reason.
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You say that...I never have. Once again you're showing your admitted compunction for lying about what people actually said and not caring.
@txradioguy
Sorry my man, you said it. Just scroll up - then read it and weep. Now it may be free to you in that you don't see a line item on your receipt but you are certainly paying for it. Just as we all are. Just because you don't like what Trump said that does not mean he's a dictator or wrong.
The post office has been a poorly managed pseudo govt agency for decades which has consistently lost money. Money which the American taxpayer has to cough up.
Now perhaps you are happy with the status quo but I think it should change.
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@txradioguy
Sorry my man, you said it. Just scroll up - then read it and weep. Now it may be free to you in that you don't see a line item on your receipt but you are certainly paying for it. Just as we all are. Just because you don't like what Trump said that does not mean he's a dictator or wrong.
The post office has been a poorly managed pseudo govt agency for decades which has consistently lost money. Money which the American taxpayer has to cough up.
Now perhaps you are happy with the status quo but I think it should change.
Please show me where I said that I think things are free or should be free.
Go ahead I'll wait while you spin and BS your way out of admitting I never said anything like that.
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@Victoria33
Good grief its really time to take a deep breath.
The post office gave Amazon a price which is below their cost. That means the taxpayer is currently paying part of the delivery cost for every Amazon package delivered.
Only a lunatic would want that to continue.
Which has been shown over and over and over, is a blatant lie- it is not below their cost. USPS has come out with this and their financials show this. It is a bulk discount but they are still making a profit on it. At that, package delivery is pretty much the USPS's only profitable area and is keeping them afloat.
Translated- the president has been lying through his teeth about this.
Where the USPS is losing money is in the requirement to pre-fund 70 years of pensions (where most companies are only required to fund 20 years). That is a unique government requirement on them. SO the government, not Amazon is causing them to lose money and need taxpayer subsidization.
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I'm appalled at the amount of money US Taxpayers subsidize the Hair and Tanning SPRAY in the White House.
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Please show me where I said that I think things are free or should be free.
Go ahead I'll wait while you spin and BS your way out of admitting I never said anything like that.
@txradioguy
In reply #21 you said "I have Prime so my shipping is free." as a reply to shipping costs. Implying the shipping is actually free of cost. Since we're talking about shipping and not personal cost.
but you'll whine and cry and say I've taken your "free" comment out of context. don't worry we all know that you really mean you don't care who pays for the shipping as long as its not on your credit card.
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Which has been shown over and over and over, is a blatant lie- it is not below their cost. USPS has come out with this and their financials show this. It is a bulk discount but they are still making a profit on it. At that, package delivery is pretty much the USPS's only profitable area and is keeping them afloat.
Translated- the president has been lying through his teeth about this.
Where the USPS is losing money is in the requirement to pre-fund 70 years of pensions (where most companies are only required to fund 20 years). That is a unique government requirement on them. SO the government, not Amazon is causing them to lose money and need taxpayer subsidization.
@AbaraXas
So the USPS is losing money but really they are making money.
The Bernie school of finance strikes again.
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My My, This thread xcelr8'd quickly!
I love to watch you guys play! Fascinating!
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My My, This thread xcelr8'd quickly!
I love to watch you guys play! Fascinating!
@Wingnut
Hey it started with Trump being a dictator, its all gravy after that proclamation.
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@txradioguy
In reply #21 you said "I have Prime so my shipping is free." as a reply to shipping costs. Implying the shipping is actually free of cost. Since we're talking about shipping and not personal cost.
And you left out one crucial part. I pay a yearly fee of $119 to Amazon for free shipping on Prime products.
So no YOU are tragically wrong. I do pay. And on things that aren't Prime eligible...I pay either UPS or USPS for whatever shipping cost I can afford at the time.
but you'll whine and cry and say I've taken your "free" comment out of context. don't worry we all know that you really mean you don't care who pays for the shipping as long as its not on your credit card.
I'm not crying about anything. I'm simply pointing out the fact you lied and misrepresented what I said.
Par for the course for you these days.
What you think you know what is actually the truth couldn't be farther apart if you tried.
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I'm appalled at the amount of money US Taxpayers subsidize the Hair and Tanning SPRAY in the White House.
Actually, I’d be willing to chip in for a little more to cover that DMZ exposed on the Trudeau visit.
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@Wingnut
Hey it started with Trump being a dictator, its all gravy after that proclamation.
I loved the 'Dear Leader" throw-away line too! Classy!
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Actually, I’d be willing to chip in for a little more to cover that DMZ exposed on the Trudeau visit.
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@edpc
Hey if you want class lets make fun of a 71 yr old guy for his hair. now thats classy
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I loved the 'Dear Leader" throw-away line too! Classy!
It's the little details that make thing interesting, or totally send things off the rails, no telling which way things will turn.
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@edpc
Hey if you want class lets make fun of a 71 yr old guy for his hair. now thats classy
I don't know about everyone else, but for me it's not the hair specifically, it's the mindset of maintaining hair like that.
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@edpc
Hey if you want class lets make fun of a 71 yr old guy for his hair. now thats classy
I’m making fun of the ridiculous spray tan line clearly visible near the flying hairline. I can see why you were distracted, though.
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@AbaraXas
So the USPS is losing money but really they are making money.
The Bernie school of finance strikes again.
Without giving you a lesson in Economics 101, the difference is revenue and expense- their revenues off their core services are profitable, they make a loss once expenses hit, specifically the line item when it comes to pre-funding pensions.
They are profiting on their core business, then the government comes in and essentially takes that profit away through their pension mandate-
The government is causing the end loss, not Amazon (who they are generating revenue on)....
And don't give me the 'Bernie' crap as you and Trump are the ones parroting the exact same lines about USPS as Bernie- a way to deflect from the fact that the government is the problem, not the private sector.
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The post office may be losing money, but Amazon is not to blame
....Packages from the e-commerce world have helped the Postal Service see double-digit increases in revenue. In 2017, USPS reported more than 5.7 billion parcels, which brought in $19.5 billion, or almost 30 percent of USPS’ total annual revenue.
Despite the growth in online shopping, the Postal Service has reported a financial loss for 11 straight years, in part due to a decline in paper mail and costs for employee benefits and pensions.
“If it wasn't for Amazon giving it all of the volume that it does, post office losses would be even greater,†said Satish Jindel, founder of the consulting firm ShipMatrix. For that reason, Jindel said Trump is wrong. He said package delivery from Amazon is a bright spot for the service......
https://www.marketplace.org/2018/04/02/business/truth-squading-trump-s-amazon-tweet-storm (https://www.marketplace.org/2018/04/02/business/truth-squading-trump-s-amazon-tweet-storm)
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Congress, Not Amazon, Messed Up the Post Office
Legislators passed a law that made the USPS less competitive with the private sector.
...Then there is the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA), which some have taken to calling "the most insane law" ever passed by Congress. The law requires the Postal Service, which receives no taxpayer subsidies, to prefund its retirees' health benefits up to the year 2056. This is a $5 billion per year cost; it is a requirement that no other entity, private or public, has to make. If that doesn't meet the definition of insanity, I don't know what does. Without this obligation, the Post Office actually turns a profit. Some have called this a "manufactured crisis." It's also significant that lots of companies benefit from a burden that makes the USPS less competitive; these same companies might also would benefit from full USPS privatization, a goal that has been pushed by several conservative think tanks for years.....
....Perhaps it helps to think of the USPS as two separate entities co-existing together: On one side is the congressionally mandated operation that delivers letters everywhere in the country. This is the side that helped knit together the far-flung cities, towns and settlements that defined the U.S. at the time of the nation's founding. The modern innovations of email, texts and the internet helped turn this into a money-losing business.
The other side of the USPS is the parcel-delivery service, which is profitable. It both competes with, and provides services to, private-sector delivery businesses.
Indeed, both UPS and FedEx contract with USPS to perform so-called last-mile delivery for their rural and most-expensive routes. They leverage the existing infrastructure of USPS to provide services for their client base without having to build that same costly last-mile infrastructure for letters and parcels. Effectively, they arbitrage what would otherwise be low-margin or unprofitable deliveries....
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-04/congress-not-amazon-messed-up-the-u-s-postal-service (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-04/congress-not-amazon-messed-up-the-u-s-postal-service)
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@Cyber Liberty
Dictator Trump wants to double the amount of Amazon postage; that hurts everyone who needs to, or wants to, buy from Amazon. Dictator Trump through Sessions is going to limit the amount of opioids a company can make so there won't be enough to fill a doctor's prescription - that affects everyone who needs them. This Dictator Trump administration is a dictatorship taking away the freedom of companies to sell their products as they want and the freedom of customers trying to buy those products. Dictator Trump doesn't care about what hurts people - he only cares about himself, as in, "Look at me, I won over the owner of Amazon whom I hate! Look at me, I won the war against drugs - less prescriptions filled by pharmacies!" Dictator Trump.
@Victoria33
I'm pissed at Trump about the Opioid business. I think this "war" against Amazon is just plain stupid. It's obvious as heck he is just trying to punish Bezos, and he's not going to be successful. For one giant thing, Amazon is developing out their own delivery I hardly get ANY Amazon shipments by USPS these days. The customers hat USPS. Wht they don't ship my AMZL, they ship by USPS.
We had a thread last for a week several months ago, and the conclusion at the time was: 1) He can't follow through on his threat, 2) Everybody knows it and 3) The real life operation of the business is rendering the whole conversation moot because Amazon is leaving the USPS behind in its dust.
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I'm pissed at Trump about the Opioid business. I think this "war" against Amazon is just plain stupid. It's obvious as heck he is just trying to punish Bezos, and he's not going to be successful. For one giant thing, Amazon is developing out their own delivery I hardly get ANY Amazon shipments by USPS these days. The customers hat USPS. Wht they don't ship my AMZL, they ship by USPS.
We had a thread last for a week several months ago, and the conclusion at the time was: 1) He can't follow through on his threat, 2) Everybody knows it and 3) The real life operation of the business is rendering the whole conversation moot because Amazon is leaving the USPS behind in its dust.
I get Amazon shipments every other day or two and almost all except a small book or something, come through UPS. Trump will kill the USPS even more if he causes Amazon just to drop that 'last mile' package contract as that is the only thing keeping them even close to floating right now.
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"Dictator Trump" . "Dear Leader" .
Why don't you guys just go full retard, and call him "Hitler". I know that you can. Just do it.
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@AbaraXas
So the USPS is losing money but really they are making money.
The Bernie school of finance strikes again.
Thanks for the tacit admission that you lied about the USPS charging Amazon below cost.
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"Dictator Trump" . "Dear Leader" .
Why don't you guys just go full retard, and call him "Hitler". I know that you can. Just do it.
Stop trashing my thread. Thank you.
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Stop trashing my thread. Thank you.
Roos stop stealing my material. You are like that mexican comic whatshisname. :) lol
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@Victoria33
I'm pissed at Trump about the Opioid business. I think this "war" against Amazon is just plain stupid. It's obvious as heck he is just trying to punish Bezos, and he's not going to be successful. For one giant thing, Amazon is developing out their own delivery I hardly get ANY Amazon shipments by USPS these days. The customers hat USPS. Wht they don't ship my AMZL, they ship by USPS.
We had a thread last for a week several months ago, and the conclusion at the time was: 1) He can't follow through on his threat, 2) Everybody knows it and 3) The real life operation of the business is rendering the whole conversation moot because Amazon is leaving the USPS behind in its dust.
@Cyber Liberty
(https://s.thestreet.com/files/tsc/v2008/photos/contrib/uploads/bb355fdf-5b2a-11e6-bde2-3d4dfa825f1b_600x400.png)
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Thanks for the tacit admission that you lied about the USPS charging Amazon below cost.
@Oceander
And he does a full belly flop off the cliff
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Roos stop stealing my material. You are like that mexican comic whatshisname. :) lol
whatshisname lopez? Never heard of him.
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I get Amazon shipments every other day or two and almost all except a small book or something, come through UPS. Trump will kill the USPS even more if he causes Amazon just to drop that 'last mile' package contract as that is the only thing keeping them even close to floating right now.
I have three arriving today, all by AMZL, Amazon's own courier. I live in a large Metro (Phoenix), so I imagine it's somewhat different where you are. But AMZL is building out to smaller cities, and within a year or two you will start seeing AMZL delivering to your door, and UPS everything else.
The customers who have a lot of Amazon experience (you and me) HATE the USPS delivery, I dread seeing the notice come up on Amazon "Shipped With USPS." My regular mail guy is great, 30+ years on the job, but when packages come in on his weekend they always louse it up. Perishable items left in the community mailbox was the last offense. It was over 100F in that mail box, and the shipping carton was labeled in bright fluorescent labels "Perishable."
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whatshisname lopez? Never heard of him.
I was going to say Milton Berle. But you would have said
"Who"?
:smokin:
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I have three arriving today, all by AMZL, Amazon's own courier. I live in a large Metro (Phoenix), so I imagine it's somewhat different where you are. But AMZL is building out to smaller cities, and within a year or two you will start seeing AMZL delivering to your door, and UPS everything else.
The customers who have a lot of Amazon experience (you and me) HATE the USPS delivery, I dread seeing the notice come up on Amazon "Shipped With USPS." My regular mail guy is great, 30+ years on the job, but when packages come in on his weekend they always louse it up. Perishable items left in the community mailbox was the last offense. It was over 100F in that mail box, and the shipping carton was labeled in bright fluorescent labels "Perishable."
@Cyber Liberty when that happens here the Post Office blames it on a temp or substitute delivery person who just happened to be working that day. *****rollingeyes*****
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I was going to say Milton Berle. But you would have said
"Who"?
:smokin:
Oh, *that* Mexican comic! :silly:
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@Cyber Liberty when that happens here the Post Office blames it on a temp or substitute delivery person who just happened to be working that day. *****rollingeyes*****
I get fed that same nonsense too. I finally complained to Amazon enough about the USPS delivery that they told me they could change my preferred deliverer.
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@Cyber Liberty when that happens here the Post Office blames it on a temp or substitute delivery person who just happened to be working that day. *****rollingeyes*****
Unfortunately I am on a first-name basis with my regular guy, so I know exactly when those days off are. If I have something perishable or valuable coming, he's been known to call me to make sure we're home. He would have delivered that item I referred to above on my porch, and the other guys are too effin lazy. The alternate carriers suck, even the ones who have been there for years.
One day when I got home from work, I found a USPS jeep out in front of my house. The lady was sitting in it filling out one of those "I missed you for delivery" tickets to stick on my door. I knew I was expecting a package from Wales that needed a signature, so I greeted her by the truck and signed it off. She wasn't even going to try to deliver it, she was just going to stick the notice on our door and make us come to the Post Office to fetch it.
Lazy shits.
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I get fed that same nonsense too. I finally complained to Amazon enough about the USPS delivery that they told me they could change my preferred deliverer.
We've got the USPS's worst nightmare here in Kentucky. Amazon Fulfillment Centers and the UPS World Port. There's UPS trucks lined up at the Fulfilment Center warehouses all the time waiting for cargo to load onto the planes at the Louisville airport.
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I get fed that same nonsense too. I finally complained to Amazon enough about the USPS delivery that they told me they could change my preferred deliverer.
Same here. I hate USPS for package delivery, they're the worst. I halfway hope Trump gets his way on this so Amazon and their affiliates will just drop USPS altogether.
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We've got the USPS's worst nightmare here in Kentucky. Amazon Fulfillment Centers and the UPS World Port. There's UPS trucks lined up at the Fulfilment Center warehouses all the time waiting for cargo to load onto the planes at the Louisville airport.
Yeah, in the last couple years we've gotten I think two new distribution centers, so we're within the same day delivery zone now. AMZL seems to deliver most packages now.
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Yeah, in the last couple years we've gotten I think two new distribution centers, so we're within the same day delivery zone now. AMZL seems to deliver most packages now.
IMO that's their end goal. To have delivery to your door...from their fulfillment center via Amazon package delivery services (ground and air) and cut out the middle man...in this case FedEx...USPS and UPS.
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I have three arriving today, all by AMZL, Amazon's own courier. I live in a large Metro (Phoenix), so I imagine it's somewhat different where you are. But AMZL is building out to smaller cities, and within a year or two you will start seeing AMZL delivering to your door, and UPS everything else.
The customers who have a lot of Amazon experience (you and me) HATE the USPS delivery, I dread seeing the notice come up on Amazon "Shipped With USPS." My regular mail guy is great, 30+ years on the job, but when packages come in on his weekend they always louse it up. Perishable items left in the community mailbox was the last offense. It was over 100F in that mail box, and the shipping carton was labeled in bright fluorescent labels "Perishable."
I agree with the USPS delivery cringe. I had a package two weeks ago that was 'out for delivery' by 7AM via USPS. Instead of coming with standard USPS, it came separate and ended up being delivered at 6PM the next day.
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You say that...I never have. Once again you're showing your admitted compunction for lying about what people actually said and not caring.
He has a penchant for doing that in order to push a bogus point, even when he has been shown otherwise he doubles down on it and does Alinsky No. 5 for us.
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I have Prime so my shipping is free.
And all you're doing is paying for someone who lives at the end of a dirt road in Floyds Knob, Kentucky to get their mail as cheaply as someone in Louisville.
NO it isn't! You paid for it when you bought your prime membership just like I, and every other prime member, did.
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Same here. I hate USPS for package delivery, they're the worst. I halfway hope Trump gets his way on this so Amazon and their affiliates will just drop USPS altogether.
The PROBLEM with the USPS is that they are the only post office in town and they act like it!
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Which has been shown over and over and over, is a blatant lie- it is not below their cost. USPS has come out with this and their financials show this. It is a bulk discount but they are still making a profit on it. At that, package delivery is pretty much the USPS's only profitable area and is keeping them afloat.
Translated- the president has been lying through his teeth about this.
@AbaraXas
You're right.
I'm willing to put cold, hard cash down that @driftdiver hasn't even read the Citi report. He's just repeating the Trump lies without checking them. You're right, the USPS isn't "losing money" in the sense that their costs exceed what they're charging. The Citi report said (it's dated April 2017) that they should charge $1.46 more...that their pricing is "suboptimal". Even if true, it's disingenuous to call that a "loss".
I've got the report open right here on my desk, and it's interesting to see that the projected differential decreases over time, down to $1.41 for 2018 and $1.36 for 2019.
You know, I'm willing to bet Trump hasn't read the report, either. Why should he, when he can just make stuff up and his fans will swallow it hook, line, and sinker?
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NO it isn't! You paid for it when you bought your prime membership just like I, and every other prime member, did.
And that $119 /yr pays for all the shipping for all the packages?
Really?
Or is the money for shipping coming from some other source?
For example I just priced a nice trackball mouse for my computer on amazon. With prime the shipping is free, without prime its $3.99. One bestbuy.com shipping for the same mouse is $5.49.
Using the USPS shipping cost estimator the cost for a similar box from similar locations is $7.20
So the real question is where is that money coming from? Is amazon eating that $3.99. Hard to believe there is that much extra profit in a $25 mouse.
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@Cyber Liberty
Dictator Trump wants to double the amount of Amazon postage; that hurts everyone who needs to, or wants to, buy from Amazon. Dictator Trump through Sessions is going to limit the amount of opioids a company can make so there won't be enough to fill a doctor's prescription - that affects everyone who needs them. This Dictator Trump administration is a dictatorship taking away the freedom of companies to sell their products as they want and the freedom of customers trying to buy those products. Dictator Trump doesn't care about what hurts people - he only cares about himself, as in, "Look at me, I won over the owner of Amazon whom I hate! Look at me, I won the war against drugs - less prescriptions filled by pharmacies!" Dictator Trump.
@Victoria33
I don't understand the postage war against Amazon. Perhaps Trump thinks he is helping other retail outlets that Amazon is putting out of business. I understand that, but you cannot protect the buggy whip makers, so to speak. I don't think this is legal and I don't think he can do it. My daughter and I keep Amazon hopping since we've moved to Maui and don't have the shopping options we had on the Mainland.
I was pleased when I saw Sessions war against opioids...they are the number one drug danger now and some physicians have to be complicit. Once prescribed, these drugs are often sold or traded. I don't know how Sessions is suddenly blamed for doing something when he's been blamed for doing nothing for months.
I believe you are being a little harsh on Trump. He is still operating under the checks and balances prescribed by the law.
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The PROBLEM with the USPS is that they are the only post office in town and they act like it!
Yes, you're right @Bigun ... but more than that, the post is pretty much an anachronism. I can't tell you the last time I sent a letter, and I am usually offended for having to sort through a pound and a half of crap for the very few letters I do receive... Everything, including most of my bills, are emails. Heck, I haven't even owned a printer for years. Pretty hard to make money for USPS on anything other than junk mail and packages.
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The PROBLEM with the USPS is that they are the only post office in town and they act like it!
And not just with the post office. I had to deal with two city government workers today and neither knew what they were doing, didn’t understand their own application forms. I had to explain it to one of them.
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@Victoria33
Good grief its really time to take a deep breath.
The post office gave Amazon a price which is below their cost. That means the taxpayer is currently paying part of the delivery cost for every Amazon package delivered.
Only a lunatic would want that to continue.
@driftdiver How did that even happen. I didn't know the USPS could make arbitrary decisions about postage rates?
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@AbaraXas
You're right.
I'm willing to put cold, hard cash down that @driftdiver hasn't even read the Citi report. He's just repeating the Trump lies without checking them. You're right, the USPS isn't "losing money" in the sense that their costs exceed what they're charging. The Citi report said (it's dated April 2017) that they should charge $1.46 more...that their pricing is "suboptimal". Even if true, it's disingenuous to call that a "loss".
I've got the report open right here on my desk, and it's interesting to see that the projected differential decreases over time, down to $1.41 for 2018 and $1.36 for 2019.
You know, I'm willing to bed Trump hasn't read the report, either. Why should he, when he can just make stuff up and his fans will swallow it hook, line, and sinker?
@Suppressed
No its just that I don't swallow every line that some govt stooge throws my way. For example I've actually gone down to the USPS and shipped stuff.
I also know that the USPS has lost money every single year.
Its called Crony capitalism and its obvious most here don't care as long as they get their free shipping.
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NO it isn't! You paid for it when you bought your prime membership just like I, and every other prime member, did.
What I meant was paying for anything to be shipped by USPS express mail subsidizes rural mail delivery.
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@driftdiver How did that even happen. I didn't know the USPS could make arbitrary decisions about postage rates?
They can't.
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Everyone in the package business gets the same deal. Amazon just benefits most, due to business volume.
"We never said Amazon is getting a $1.50 subsidy," Citi analyst Christian Wetherbee told Business Insider on Monday in a discussion of misinterpretations of the report, which actually says the loss per package is roughly $1.46 for the USPS.
Wetherbee continued: "If you read what that number is, it's the total package business is priced below cost. It has nothing to do with Amazon specifically."
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slips-up-in-amazon-post-office-war-2018-4)
Well, thanks, @edpc I could not imagine that the USPS could arbitrarily cut prices for a certain user. I am just commenting as I go along.
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@driftdiver How did that even happen. I didn't know the USPS could make arbitrary decisions about postage rates?
@Emjay
If you ship enough with the USPS you can negotiate rates with them.
They don't see residents as their customers. To the USPS the mailer is their customer.
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Sorry, the only reason why Trump is after Amazon, is that Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
@kevindavis Only 5 posts and we get into a conspiracy theory about Trump. Is that some kind of record? Should we have a party?
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And that $119 /yr pays for all the shipping for all the packages?
Really?
Or is the money for shipping coming from some other source?
For example I just priced a nice trackball mouse for my computer on amazon. With prime the shipping is free, without prime its $3.99. One bestbuy.com shipping for the same mouse is $5.49.
Using the USPS shipping cost estimator the cost for a similar box from similar locations is $7.20
So the real question is where is that money coming from? Is amazon eating that $3.99. Hard to believe there is that much extra profit in a $25 mouse.
Have you ever heard of a thing called the economy of scale?
Amazon has made a conscience decision that many of the prime subscribers will not amke enough purchases to consume the amount of their subscription in delivery charges and even if they all do, the service provided will generate enough business to overcome any shipping loss(es) they might incur. The KEY word is "SERVICE" someting the USPS knows very little about.
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@kevindavis Only 5 posts and we get into a conspiracy theory about Trump. Is that some kind of record? Should we have a party?
Trumps own words show this isn't about Amazon and it's about what's said about him in the Washington Post.
There's no conspiracy theory. It's the truth. Trump is threatening Bezos' main source of income because of what another company he owns prints about him on it's pages.
It's called extortion.
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They can't.
@txradioguy
You cant
I cant
Companies with large amounts of stuff to mail can negotiate rates. I've done it.
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Have you ever heard of a thing called the economy of scale?
Amazon has made a conscience decision that many of the prime subscribers will not amke enough purchases to consume the amount of their subscription in delivery charges and even if they all do, the service provided will generate enough business to overcome any shipping loss(es) they might incur. The KEY word is "SERVICE" someting the USPS knows very little about.
@Bigun someone seems to have trouble understanding the term "bulk rate" when it comes to the cost of shipping things via the Post Office.
They've done this for decades with companies that use the postal service to get products to customers. This isn't a new concept with the advent of Amazon.
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And not just with the post office. I had to deal with two city government workers today and neither knew what they were doing, didn’t understand their own application forms. I had to explain it to one of them.
@aligncare
8888crybaby
Try working with a bunch of EPA or OHSA pukes sometime. I dare ya!
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The post office kerfuffle is just another case where we have to take the President seriously but not literally.
Kudlow is saying it's not his lane to avoid being the target of a twitter rant by Trump.
As an economic advisor it is very much his lane to advice the President on things like this and to correct him when he's wrong.
@txradioguy Well, you can't blame Kudlow for wanting to stay out of this mess. We've already had about 7 different takes and opinions on this.
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I agree with the USPS delivery cringe. I had a package two weeks ago that was 'out for delivery' by 7AM via USPS. Instead of coming with standard USPS, it came separate and ended up being delivered at 6PM the next day.
I had that exact thing happen, I was so pissed. The package was a box of nutrolls from my hometown baker. They were ruined.
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And that $119 /yr pays for all the shipping for all the packages?
Really?
Or is the money for shipping coming from some other source?
For example I just priced a nice trackball mouse for my computer on amazon. With prime the shipping is free, without prime its $3.99. One bestbuy.com shipping for the same mouse is $5.49.
Using the USPS shipping cost estimator the cost for a similar box from similar locations is $7.20
So the real question is where is that money coming from? Is amazon eating that $3.99. Hard to believe there is that much extra profit in a $25 mouse.
$119 / $3.99 means that about 30 shipments are covered by that Amazon Prime membership. And remember that once someone has bought Amazon Prime, they are more likely to buy from Amazon, so it helps generate more revenue and profits. (There's a term for that but I can't recall it right now.) Stop and think about that 30 shipments. That's someone ordering something not even every two weeks. Pretty nice way to get a captive consumer.
USPS also benefits in a similar way, by getting lots of business from a captive consumer who has fewer customer service problems for the USPS than an Average Joe shipping something. USPS shipping estimates are based on you shipping something that probably has higher than average problems and costs than the "mass produced" Amazon shipments.
Plus, USPS uses lower-cost delivery personnel for Amazon shipments than your Average Joe $7.20 package.
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@txradioguy
You cant
I cant
Companies with large amounts of stuff to mail can negotiate rates. I've done it.
I've dealt with it too.
Yeah it's called "bulk rate". The bulk rate isn't randomly set depending on the company. As has been painstakingly pointed out to you it's set by the Postal Regulatory Commission. They have a scale regardless of company that determines how much they charged based on the volume of mail that company ships via the Post Office. There is no negotiation.
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@txradioguy Well, you can't blame Kudlow for wanting to stay out of this mess. We've already had about 7 different takes and opinions on this.
Like I said earlier he's just trying to avoid being the next target of a Twitter rant by the boss.
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I also know that the USPS has lost money every single year.
@driftdiver
Do you understand that the USPS loses money on many sectors of its business, and that it's the express packages like Amazon that offset those loss sectors?
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I've dealt with it too.
Yeah it's called "bulk rate". The bulk rate isn't randomly set depending on the company. As has been painstakingly pointed out to you it's set by the Postal Regulatory Commission. They have a scale regardless of company that determines how much they charged based on the volume of mail that company ships via the Post Office. There is no negotiation.
The USPS created an entire industry built around their bulk rate system. I would venture a guess that very few people here have any idea what one has to do to comply with their rules in order to GET those bulk rates.
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Like I said earlier he's just trying to avoid being the next target of a Twitter rant by the boss.
@txradioguy
Yup. He probably understands the reality of the situation, but can't contradict POTUS.
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Bernie...like Trump wants to punish those that are successful despite Government roadblocks.
I pay @119 a year to get most of what I buy from Amazon for free. And for the ability to use the streaming services and the other wonderful features of my Amazon Echo.
And unlike Bernie...I believe if you want something you have to pay for it...not have it handed to you for nothing.
@txradioguy
First Sears took over all the retail business; then Wal-Mart took over the retail business. Sears did it with the catalog they sent out to everyone and Sears was innovative in the easy return policy. Wal-Mart did it by carrying everything in one store and with cheaper prices. Both times other retailers were hurt including the Mom and Pops we love so much.
We cannot let government step in and protect one company over another. It's called free enterprise.
I love Amazon with all my heart. I pay the fee yearly also because I order so much. I don't want them to have an unfair advantage but I don't want them to be punished.
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Like I said earlier he's just trying to avoid being the next target of a Twitter rant by the boss.
He's probably learned a couple things after saying Trump would attend the Latin America summit, despite Syria tensions and the whole 'Nikki Haley was confused' escapade.
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$119 / $3.99 means that about 30 shipments are covered by that Amazon Prime membership.
@Suppressed only about 15 shipments a year over the last two years have been eligible for Prime delivery.
A lot of what I and my wife have ordered was only eligible for regular shipping options...mainly USPS.
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@txradioguy
First Sears took over all the retail business; then Wal-Mart took over the retail business. Sears did it with the catalog they sent out to everyone and Sears was innovative in the easy return policy. Wal-Mart did it by carrying everything in one store and with cheaper prices. Both times other retailers were hurt including the Mom and Pops we love so much.
We cannot let government step in and protect one company over another. It's called free enterprise.
I love Amazon with all my heart. I pay the fee yearly also because I order so much. I don't want them to have an unfair advantage but I don't want them to be punished.
Agree with all above.
But the thing is Amazon isn't getting an unfair advantage. Unless the sheer volume of what they ship on a daily basis is considered unfair.
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@driftdiver
Do you understand that the USPS loses money on many sectors of its business, and that it's the express packages like Amazon that offset those loss sectors?
@Suppressed
For the simple minded here.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-postal-service-marks-11-straight-years-of-financial-loss (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-postal-service-marks-11-straight-years-of-financial-loss)
U.S. Postal Service marks 11 straight years of financial loss
https://www.thoughtco.com/postal-service-losses-by-year-3321043 (https://www.thoughtco.com/postal-service-losses-by-year-3321043)
Postal Service Net Income/Loss By Year
2015 - $5.1 billion loss
2014 - $5.5 billion loss
2013 - $5 billion loss
2012 - $15.9 billion loss
2011 - $5.1 billion loss
2010 - $8.5 billion loss
2009 - $3.8 billion loss
2008 - $2.8 billion loss
2007 - $5.1 billion loss
2006 - $900 million surplus
2005 - $1.4 billion surplus
2004 - $3.1 billion surplus
2003 - $3.9 billion surplus
2002 - $676 million loss
2001 - $1.7 billion loss
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The USPS created an entire industry built around their bulk rate system. I would venture a guess that very few people here have any idea what one has to do to comply with their rules in order to GET those bulk rates.
You're right.
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@Victoria33
I don't understand the postage war against Amazon.
@Emjay
It's Trump's private war on Bezos because the latter owns WaPo. I think it's a stupid battle for a number of reasons. Bad optics, trying to use a quasi-governmental agency against a man and his newspaper, whatever we may think of WaPo, chief among the bad reasons.
Who does he think he is, Obama pretending there are Russians under every rock?
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@Suppressed only about 15 shipments a year over the last two years have been eligible for Prime delivery.
A lot of what I and my wife have ordered was only eligible for regular shipping options...mainly USPS.
And it discounts the fact that if you order a certain dollar amount, you get free shipping (albeit not 2-day) from Amazon anyway. Gee...there's an economy of scale. Imagine that!
BTW, most people don't realize that "2-day shipping" doesn't mean you'll get your stuff in 2 days. It means 2 days to arrive after it's shipped. Different items have different speeds to get out the door. That's why sometimes it takes longer than 2 days to arrive.
Amazon claims that their average time-to-ship has improved, but it sure seems to me that things don't arrive as fast as they used to.
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The USPS created an entire industry built around their bulk rate system. I would venture a guess that very few people here have any idea what one has to do to comply with their rules in order to GET those bulk rates.
@Bigun
Its really tough.....
Sort the mail by zip code
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[...] they are more likely to buy from Amazon, so it helps generate more revenue and profits. (There's a term for that but I can't recall it right now.) [...]
The term you are looking for is a 'lost leader', where an obvious loss generates enough extra business to justify the loss. A local diner having 10 cent coffee would be an example... No doubt they lose on coffee... but the attraction sells more meals.
@Suppressed
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@Suppressed
For the simple minded here.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-postal-service-marks-11-straight-years-of-financial-loss (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-postal-service-marks-11-straight-years-of-financial-loss)
U.S. Postal Service marks 11 straight years of financial loss
https://www.thoughtco.com/postal-service-losses-by-year-3321043 (https://www.thoughtco.com/postal-service-losses-by-year-3321043)
Postal Service Net Income/Loss By Year
2015 - $5.1 billion loss
2014 - $5.5 billion loss
2013 - $5 billion loss
2012 - $15.9 billion loss
2011 - $5.1 billion loss
2010 - $8.5 billion loss
2009 - $3.8 billion loss
2008 - $2.8 billion loss
2007 - $5.1 billion loss
2006 - $900 million surplus
2005 - $1.4 billion surplus
2004 - $3.1 billion surplus
2003 - $3.9 billion surplus
2002 - $676 million loss
2001 - $1.7 billion loss
Appears to me the Post Office has been losing money faster since Amazon started AMZL. Your numbers actually refute your own point, I suggest you make up another point.
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@Suppressed
For the simple minded here.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-postal-service-marks-11-straight-years-of-financial-loss (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-postal-service-marks-11-straight-years-of-financial-loss)
U.S. Postal Service marks 11 straight years of financial loss
https://www.thoughtco.com/postal-service-losses-by-year-3321043 (https://www.thoughtco.com/postal-service-losses-by-year-3321043)
Postal Service Net Income/Loss By Year
2015 - $5.1 billion loss
2014 - $5.5 billion loss
2013 - $5 billion loss
2012 - $15.9 billion loss
2011 - $5.1 billion loss
2010 - $8.5 billion loss
2009 - $3.8 billion loss
2008 - $2.8 billion loss
2007 - $5.1 billion loss
2006 - $900 million surplus
2005 - $1.4 billion surplus
2004 - $3.1 billion surplus
2003 - $3.9 billion surplus
2002 - $676 million loss
2001 - $1.7 billion loss
@driftdiver
Not disagreeing with the bottom line. I'm disagreeing that express package service is part of that loss. Perhaps I should have said, ". . .the express packages like Amazon that partially offset those loss sectors".
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Trumps own words show this isn't about Amazon and it's about what's said about him in the Washington Post.
There's no conspiracy theory. It's the truth. Trump is threatening Bezos' main source of income because of what another company he owns prints about him on it's pages.
It's called extortion.
@txradioguy I don't believe that. It cannot be extortion because Trump cannot do it. If Bezos has anything to do with Trump's threat at all, it's what's called and idle threat just to annoy someone who's been annoying you for a year.
I take Trump's side against the media all the time because, while Trump may lie occasionally, the press lies constantly.
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@driftdiver
Not disagreeing with the bottom line. I'm disagreeing that express package service is part of that loss. Perhaps I should have said, ". . .the express packages like Amazon that partially offset those loss sectors".
All of those losses can be firmly planted as the fault of the government. If they didn't have Amazon's (and other big box retailers) bulk package delivery, those losses would be about 25% more.
They are pulling the Bernie Sander's argument that Amazon should pay more, to redistribute their wealth and deflecting from the fact the loss is the fault of the government. (several links upthread on this).
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And it discounts the fact that if you order a certain dollar amount, you get free shipping (albeit not 2-day) from Amazon anyway. Gee...there's an economy of scale. Imagine that!
BTW, most people don't realize that "2-day shipping" doesn't mean you'll get your stuff in 2 days. It means 2 days to arrive after it's shipped. Different items have different speeds to get out the door. That's why sometimes it takes longer than 2 days to arrive.
Amazon claims that their average time-to-ship has improved, but it sure seems to me that things don't arrive as fast as they used to.
Then there's the foreign stuff. I get my toothpaste shipped in from UK, and it takes 3-4 weeks to get it via Royal Mail.
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@driftdiver
Not disagreeing with the bottom line. I'm disagreeing that express package service is part of that loss. Perhaps I should have said, ". . .the express packages like Amazon that partially offset those loss sectors".
@Suppressed
If you read the articles they say the loss is due to a decline in 1st class mail despite a doubling of the package volume.
Basically people aren't sending as many letters due to online bill pay. So no the package business does not offset the loss, certainly not at the discounted rates companies like Amazon pay. The USPS fought for market share and under priced delivery, losing money on every package shipped by those companies. They increased prices for individual mailers but that wasn't enough to make up the difference.
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@txradioguy I don't believe that. It cannot be extortion because Trump cannot do it. If Bezos has anything to do with Trump's threat at all, it's what's called and idle threat just to annoy someone who's been annoying you for a year.
I take Trump's side against the media all the time because, while Trump may lie occasionally, the press lies constantly.
I didn't say it would be successful...but that's what he's attempting to do...and it's no idle threat.
It comes from the President's lack of knowledge of how the USPS and their rate schedules work and no one in his administration having the spine to tell him he can't do what he's threatening.
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@aligncare
8888crybaby
Try working with a bunch of EPA or OHSA pukes sometime. I dare ya!
Off topic, but I needed to deal with IRS to get a certain form faxed and, while I was on hold, my SIL asked me what I was doing. I said, 'I'm praying that I won't get an affirmative action hire.' He was so disgusted (Liberal dude) he walked off. Karma got me and I DID get an affirmative action woman who was incredible stupid and defensive. I finally just hung up with her and dialed again. This time I got a great guy who knew exactly what I needed and faxed it immediately.
I think those unfortunate hires are becoming a lot fewer.
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Then there's the foreign stuff. I get my toothpaste shipped in from UK, and it takes 3-4 weeks to get it via Royal Mail.
@Cyber Liberty
Buying toothpaste from the UK, now there is a new one on me.
(http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2012/07/kate-middleton-cover1.jpg)
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Using the USPS shipping cost estimator the cost for a similar box from similar locations is $7.20
So the real question is where is that money coming from? Is amazon eating that $3.99. Hard to believe there is that much extra profit in a $25 mouse.
Rotflmao!!!
I probably pay half of what you do for construction and automotive materials. Same in computers. The last MS Mouse I bought was less than five bucks.
Does that piss you off too?
Volume pricing. It's a thing.
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Rotflmao!!!
I probably pay half of what you do for construction and automotive materials. Same in computers. The last MS Mouse I bought was less than five bucks.
Does that piss you off too?
Volume pricing. It's a thing.
@roamer_1
Just when I thought you couldn't get any more nonsensical.
There are different types of computer mouses. Some are cheap and some are nicer, and more expensive.
Now stop playing in traffic, you're gonna get hurt.
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Then there's the foreign stuff. I get my toothpaste shipped in from UK, and it takes 3-4 weeks to get it via Royal Mail.
Yes!! I get my toothpaste from the UK also because they are the only ones who have what I like, so I am careful to order when my supply is getting a little low.
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@Cyber Liberty
Buying toothpaste from the UK, now there is a new one on me.
(http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2012/07/kate-middleton-cover1.jpg)
LOL! I hadn't thought of that. The toothpaste I get has a better formula in UK, but obviously it's not a wide seller there.
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Yes!! I get my toothpaste from the UK also because they are the only ones who have what I like, so I am careful to order when my supply is getting a little low.
Sensodyne with Novamin. Good stuff.
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@roamer_1
Just when I thought you couldn't get any more nonsensical.
There are different types of computer mouses. Some are cheap and some are nicer, and more expensive.
Now stop playing in traffic, you're gonna get hurt.
LOL! Whatever d00d. Other than a trackball, I can't remember ever paying anywhere near 25 bucks for a mouse. Just for kicks, give me the brand and part number and I will look it up and tell you what my cost is.
Volume pricing. It really is a thing.
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LOL! Whatever d00d. Other than a trackball, I can't remember ever paying anywhere near 25 bucks for a mouse. Just for kicks, give me the brand and part number and I will look it up and tell you what my cost is.
Volume pricing. It really is a thing.
@roamer_1
Volume pricing means you buy a lot.
I buy one every couple of years.
Who spends more each year on stupid mouses?????? Seriously man let it go before I send you the theme music to the movie Frozen
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What I find much more fascinating is the mindset among "conservatives" that have no problem with government picking winners and losers and deciding which private businesses and enterprises should be punished.
I know, I know.... the argument has been made that Amazon is using a taxpayer subsidized agency and getting a cheaper bulk rate from the Post Office, so therefore it has been decided that Trump has the right to double their rates by mere decree simply because Trump wants to do it and Amazon is not fair because it's hurting brick and mortar stores that local governments get big tax revenues from.
But by that precedent having been set - I forsee that the argument will soon become that because selected businesses use roads that are taxpayer subsidized, that government reserves the right to charge extra fees and rates on those arbitrarily chosen businesses and individuals that 'profit' from using government roads (see Pocahontas Warren for more information).
Amazing to discover just how many Leftist ideas are now provinces of the 'Conservative' Republican mindset.
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Lets recap the past 135 post.
The post office sucks.
Trump sucks.
Bezo's is a golden god.
Is that about right?
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@txradioguy
You cant
I cant
Companies with large amounts of stuff to mail can negotiate rates. I've done it.
If you've done it, then you know that it's not even the USPS that sets the rates. That is done by the Postal Regulatory Commission which is made up of commissioners appointed by the President.
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Lets recap the past 135 post.
The post office sucks.
Trump sucks.
Bezo's is a golden god.
Is that about right?
No. More like:
The Post Office Sucks.
Trump Sucks.
Bezos as a person Sucks - but Amazon.com is a golden God and we love getting all our shit from there delivered right to our front door. Millions of things we cannot get locally, delivered.
Anything government touches turns to crap.
That's about right.
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@roamer_1
Volume pricing means you buy a lot.
I buy one every couple of years.
Who spends more each year on stupid mouses?????? Seriously man let it go before I send you the theme music to the movie Frozen
RIGHT. I imagine Amazon spends a whole lot more than you on shipping... It is little wonder that they pay less than half of the eight bucks or so you have to pay to ship a similar package. You are wondering where all that money goes... It doesn't 'go'. It doesn't exist. Amazon gets a greatly discounted rate because of it's massive volume... that it can pass on to it's customers in whatever fashion it pleases.
so your argument about the $7.90 it costs *you* to ship a similar package is just silly.
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RIGHT. I imagine Amazon spends a whole lot more than you on shipping... It is little wonder that they pay less than half of the eight bucks or so you have to pay to ship a similar package. You are wondering where all that money goes... It doesn't 'go'. It doesn't exist. Amazon gets a greatly discounted rate because of it's massive volume... that it can pass on to it's customers in whatever fashion it pleases.
so your argument about the $7.90 it costs *you* to ship a similar package is just silly.
@roamer_1
Actually its not. It shows that the post office is increasing the cost to the small shipper to subsidize the larger shippers.
and still losing money
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If you've done it, then you know that it's not even the USPS that sets the rates. That is done by the Postal Regulatory Commission which is made up of commissioners appointed by the President.
@RoosGirl
Can you make me a sammich?
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Lets recap the past 135 post.
The post office sucks.
Trump sucks.
Bezo's is a golden god.
Is that about right?
@Wingnut Pretty much.
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What I find much more fascinating is the mindset among "conservatives" that have no problem with government picking winners and losers and deciding which private businesses and enterprises should be punished.
I know, I know.... the argument has been made that Amazon is using a taxpayer subsidized agency and getting a cheaper bulk rate from the Post Office, so therefore it has been decided that Trump has the right to double their rates by mere decree simply because Trump wants to do it and Amazon is not fair because it's hurting brick and mortar stores that local governments get big tax revenues from.
But by that precedent having been set - I forsee that the argument will soon become that because selected businesses use roads that are taxpayer subsidized, that government reserves the right to charge extra fees and rates on those arbitrarily chosen businesses and individuals that 'profit' from using government roads (see Pocahontas Warren for more information).
Amazing to discover just how many Leftist ideas are now provinces of the 'Conservative' Republican mindset.
You're exactly right @INVAR When Obama picked winners and losers, many "conservatives" cried foul, but now that "their guy" is doing it, they are not only suddenly OK with it, but actually defend it. The Pied Piper strikes again and his supporters are falling right in line despite the hypocrisy.
(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.4rhgCTE3BCr6S4rah-pzWQHaFH&pid=Api)
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I’m warning you ‘all I’m about to start posting pecan recipes, with complete illustrations.
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@RoosGirl
Can you make me a sammich?
Somehow, I have this strange suspicion that you may not enjoy what it is made from.
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Somehow, I have this strange suspicion that you may not enjoy what it is made from.
@GrouchoTex
Im not even hungry.
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@roamer_1
Actually its not. It shows that the post office is increasing the cost to the small shipper to subsidize the larger shippers.
and still losing money
SO, when I can go down to O'Rielly's and buy spark plugs for half or a quarter of what you can, does that mean O'Rielly's is jacking up the little guy (*you*) so they can subsidize me? Is that really what you think?
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@RoosGirl
Can you make me a sammich?
Absolutely. You want it warmed or cold?
(https://louisproyect.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/screen-shot-2017-06-28-at-4-46-00-pm.png?w=654&h=516)
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Same here. I hate USPS for package delivery, they're the worst. I halfway hope Trump gets his way on this so Amazon and their affiliates will just drop USPS altogether.
I dread FedEx and UPS.
FedEx: forget it.
UPS: one great driver. Others...forget it. That's even with "UPS Choice".
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SO, when I can go down to O'Rielly's and buy spark plugs for half or a quarter of what you can, does that mean O'Rielly's is jacking up the little guy (*you*) so they can subsidize me? Is that really what you think?
@roamer_1
Says the guy whose ego is tied up around how much he pays for a mouse.
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@Cyber Liberty
Buying toothpaste from the UK, now there is a new one on me.
(http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2012/07/kate-middleton-cover1.jpg)
"Tooth paste and Tooth brush were invented in West Virginia.
If it had been invented anywhere else, it would have been called "teeth paste" and "Teeth brush".
(I'll show myself out....)
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"Tooth paste and Tooth brush were invented in West Virginia.
If it had been invented anywhere else, it would have been called "teeth paste" and "Teeth brush".
(I'll show myself out....)
@GrouchoTex
888high58888 888high58888 888high58888
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@driftdiver
If you read the articles they say the loss is due to a decline in 1st class mail despite a doubling of the package volume.
Thank you for making my point.
Basically people aren't sending as many letters due to online bill pay. So no the package business does not offset the loss, certainly not at the discounted rates companies like Amazon pay. The USPS fought for market share and under priced delivery, losing money on every package shipped by those companies. They increased prices for individual mailers but that wasn't enough to make up the difference.
No, they don't "[lose] money on every package shipped". They MAKE money on every package shipped. Could they make more? Citi says yes. But they still make money at current pricing.
PLEASE don't use Bernie math.
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@GrouchoTex
888high58888 888high58888 888high58888
@driftdiver
I have a good friend who came from West-By-God-Virginia who told me that joke.
It's a keeper.
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@driftdiver
Thank you for making my point.
No, they don't "[lose] money on every package shipped". They MAKE money on every package shipped. Could they make more? Citi says yes. But they still make money at current pricing.
PLEASE don't use Bernie math.
@Suppressed
Well you may buy that but I don't accept that the USPS makes money on the rates charged to big business. They want us to think they do but when they are charging a couple dollars to ship a package there is no way they are making money. Heck I've had had the USPS make 2 and 3 stops to my house on the same day with a single package each time.
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@driftdiver
I have a good friend who came from West-By-God-Virginia who told me that joke.
It's a keeper.
A whole page of this thread on the welcome page. WTF happened?
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@txradioguy
First Sears took over all the retail business; then Wal-Mart took over the retail business. Sears did it with the catalog they sent out to everyone and Sears was innovative in the easy return policy. Wal-Mart did it by carrying everything in one store and with cheaper prices. Both times other retailers were hurt including the Mom and Pops we love so much.
We cannot let government step in and protect one company over another. It's called free enterprise.
I love Amazon with all my heart. I pay the fee yearly also because I order so much. I don't want them to have an unfair advantage but I don't want them to be punished.
About a year ago, I asked a Walmart employee where they kept the Amazon gift certificates. He responded that Amazon was a verboten dirty word in the company and was not to be spoken of.
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No. More like:
The Post Office Sucks.
Trump Sucks.
Bezos as a person Sucks - but Amazon.com is a golden God and we love getting all our shit from there delivered right to our front door. Millions of things we cannot get locally, delivered.
Anything government touches turns to crap.
That's about right.
I approve of your edit! :beer:
@Emjay @INVAR
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@roamer_1
Volume pricing means you buy a lot.
I buy one every couple of years.
Who spends more each year on stupid mouses?????? Seriously man let it go before I send you the theme music to the movie Frozen
:laugh:
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@RoosGirl did you get that at Tim Horton's?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ICqX0c5W1N0
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A whole page of this thread on the welcome page. WTF happened?
I'll have to see if I can go back there and refresh my memory.
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A whole page of this thread on the welcome page. WTF happened?
Whatever it was that happened on the last thread about Trump vs Amazon.
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About a year ago, I asked a Walmart employee where they kept the Amazon gift certificates. He responded that Amazon was a verboten dirty word in the company and was not to be spoken of.
I can imagine. Amazon is the new WalMart ... but Walmart is not hurting a bit.
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I can imagine. Amazon is the new WalMart ... but Walmart is not hurting a bit.
But they are adapting their strategy to people that don't like to shop at brick and mortar stores anymore.
Shop and pay for your items from your app drive to the store and an associate brings it out and loads it in your car.
So far Walmart...Kroger and Lowes have set up services like that where I live and target is prepping a spot in their parking lot to do the same.
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But they are adapting their strategy to people that don't like to shop at brick and mortar stores anymore.
Shop and pay for your items from your app drive to the store and an associate brings it out and loads it in your car.
So far Walmart...Kroger and Lowes have set up services like that where I live and target is prepping a spot in their parking lot to do the same.
I got caught in that Amazon convenience trap awhile back before my wife reminded me how it will be like if there are no more brick/mortar options left. So, I only use AMZ now if there isn't a local choice.
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I got caught in that Amazon convenience trap awhile back before my wife reminded me how it will be like if there are no more brick/mortar options left. So, I only use AMZ now if there isn't a local choice.
I try to use the local stores too when I can. Thankfully I'm in a small enough town there's still some local mom and pop shops on the town square that I can give my business too.
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@Suppressed
Well you may buy that but I don't accept that the USPS makes money on the rates charged to big business. They want us to think they do but when they are charging a couple dollars to ship a package there is no way they are making money. Heck I've had had the USPS make 2 and 3 stops to my house on the same day with a single package each time.
And it was the only mail he carried that day, right?
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I try to use the local stores too when I can. Thankfully I'm in a small enough town there's still some local mom and pop shops on the town square that I can give my business too.
I use local stores that truly care about my business whenever possible. There are two or three that I can think of off the top of my head. One is a local hardware store that's been in business in the same spot for over 80 years.
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I got caught in that Amazon convenience trap awhile back before my wife reminded me how it will be like if there are no more brick/mortar options left. So, I only use AMZ now if there isn't a local choice.
For me, it's not convenience that sends me to Amazon, it's selection. Last week I broke a shoelace for a pair of tan walking shoes I have. Last time I broke a lace on those shoes, I had to settle for black laces because, when I went to Walmart, they only had about four styles to choose from, none of them brown or tan. I had to take the black ones that I didn't like as much (but at least they were for walking shoes). One set matched that specification. One. And I got the last one on the display. After I walked away the next customer was SOL.
Saturday, I pulled up my Amazon and told it I want 45" laces for walking shoes, brown. Up came a half-dozen different manufacturers of laces that had brown in stock, all AZ Prime. I'll have them today because they're out for delivery by AMZL, along with some Perio teethbrushes I couldn't even find at CVS.
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I use local stores that truly care about my business whenever possible. There are two or three that I can think of off the top of my head. One is a local hardware store that's been in business in the same spot for over 80 years.
Same here, not 80 years, but maybe 40. The 5X I pay is worth the expertise and advise from those guys. Try getting that at a Walmart, Home Depot, or Lowes.
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And it was the only mail he carried that day, right?
I wonder how much it saves UPS to be able to pick up a hundred packages at one location, as opposed to having to pick them up from a hundred locations? (For those unfamiliar with shipping stuff from your house, I can pack a box at my home, go to the USPS website, print a flat-rate label and the mail guy will come and pick it up. I even get tracking info.)
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For me, it's not convenience that sends me to Amazon, it's selection. Last week I broke a shoelace for a pair of tan walking shoes I have. Last time I broke a lace on those shoes, I had to settle for black laces because, when I went to Walmart, they only had about four styles to choose from, none of them brown or tan. I had to take the black ones that I didn't like as much (but at least they were for walking shoes). One set matched that specification. One. And I got the last one on the display. After I walked away the next customer was SOL.
Saturday, I pulled up my Amazon and told it I want 45" laces for walking shoes, brown. Up came a half-dozen different manufacturers of laces that had brown in stock, all AZ Prime. I'll have them today because they're out for delivery by AMZL, along with some Perio teethbrushes I couldn't even find at CVS.
This thread is a hoot!
Shoelaces?? Toothpaste?? 'Imported' from Great Britain, no less??
Such high-falooting bullshit.... get in your Pinto (or S Class) and drive down to the GD store like everybody else. :laugh:
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Shop and pay for your items from your app drive to the store and an associate brings it out and loads it in your car.
I love it. I do all my grocery shopping that way now. I went to grocery store the other day for something quick and realized I haven't been in there for more than 6 months.
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I wonder how much it saves UPS to be able to pick up a hundred packages at one location, as opposed to having to pick them up from a hundred locations? (For those unfamiliar with shipping stuff from your house, I can pack a box at my home, go to the USPS website, print a flat-rate label and the mail guy will come and pick it up. I even get tracking info.)
And that's why the USPS rate cited on the webpage is higher.
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get in your Pinto (or S Class) and drive down to the GD store like everybody else. :laugh:
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/284/529/e65.gif)
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I love it. I do all my grocery shopping that way now. I went to grocery store the other day for something quick and realized I haven't been in there for more than 6 months.
Haven't tried it yet, but when I played with the ap, it seemed that if you needed something outside the staple norms, you were SOL.......
So would need an extra trip anyway
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Same here, not 80 years, but maybe 40. The 5X I pay is worth the expertise and advise from those guys. Try getting that at a Walmart, Home Depot, or Lowes.
:amen: And I find the prices at my store very much in line with all the other local stores. They affiliated with ACE a few years ago and also handle ECHO and Sthil products and, more importantly, if I need a piece of 5mm all thread rod or a 1/4 x20 hanger bolt they have it in stock and know exactly where it is.
You cannot walk in the place without someone greeting you before you go three feet with "Can I help you find something today?". Hard to find places like that now.
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This thread is a hoot!
Shoelaces?? Toothpaste?? 'Imported' from Great Britain, no less??
Such high-falooting bullshit.... get in your Pinto (or S Class) and drive down to the GD store like everybody else. :laugh:
:laugh:
Ford Explorer. (Or maybe my Escape Hybrid?) I didn't know I was attracting so much attention. Can't wait to see the response from the picture of the Cowboy Duster we bought online...
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Haven't tried it yet, but when I played with the ap, it seemed that if you needed something outside the staple norms, you were SOL.......
So would need an extra trip anyway
Well, I use the website (https://grocery.walmart.com).
And on that, I can get lots of non-grocery stuff. In fact, my next order has a comb and cetirizine.
If you want to get $10 off on your first order, let me know and I'll give you my code (I get $10 off, too, but I'm not pushing you!).
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If you really want to see the USPS lose money, just have Amazon and the like STOP using the USPS...
And I still don't get how Trump blames Amazon for using a service that sets its own rates... The Washington Post is the only viable explanation and that's just stupid on Trump's part.
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Saturday, I pulled up my Amazon and told it I want 45" laces for walking shoes, brown.
@Cyber Liberty
LOL!
As an aside, every now and then I get a reminder of how much different i've got it from everyone else...
Anything I have that holds laces has laces made from paracord. With the exception of leather ones (which I don't actually use for laces), I don't think I have ever bought shoe laces in my life. :shrug: :seeya:
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@Cyber Liberty
LOL!
As an aside, every now and then I get a reminder of how much different i've got it from everyone else...
Anything I have that holds laces has laces made from paracord. With the exception of leather ones (which I don't actually use for laces), I don't think I have ever bought shoe laces in my life. :shrug: :seeya:
Stirrup eyelets are murder on Paracord.
Oh, got a message...Amazon delivered my laces. They're on my front porch, along with my teethbrushes....
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Stirrup eyelets are murder on Paracord.
Flip Flops
Or sandals
Maybe boat shoes
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What were you thinking that day when your mama was trying to teach you how to tie your shoes @roamer_1?
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@Cyber Liberty
LOL!
, I don't think I have ever bought shoe laces in my life. :shrug: :seeya:
I went to school with folks like you. They only had shoes that closed with Velcro. They were special kids. The small bus picked them up in the mornings.......
:smokin:
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But they are adapting their strategy to people that don't like to shop at brick and mortar stores anymore.
Shop and pay for your items from your app drive to the store and an associate brings it out and loads it in your car.
So far Walmart...Kroger and Lowes have set up services like that where I live and target is prepping a spot in their parking lot to do the same.
I've heard from people who like that service Walmart is now providing. But what happened to wandering through stores and seeing Walmart people. I enjoy that.
We are detaching ourselves from all human interaction. People text to each other while sitting at the same table. What's up with that.
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Stirrup eyelets are murder on Paracord.
Never had a problem one. My hikers have ten years on em from before I went into the chair, have probably been resoled at least twice, and need it again... and still have the very same paracord laces I put in em the day after I bought em.
Take the guts out of the paracord and just use the outer casing.
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For me, it's not convenience that sends me to Amazon, it's selection. Last week I broke a shoelace for a pair of tan walking shoes I have. Last time I broke a lace on those shoes, I had to settle for black laces because, when I went to Walmart, they only had about four styles to choose from, none of them brown or tan. I had to take the black ones that I didn't like as much (but at least they were for walking shoes). One set matched that specification. One. And I got the last one on the display. After I walked away the next customer was SOL.
Saturday, I pulled up my Amazon and told it I want 45" laces for walking shoes, brown. Up came a half-dozen different manufacturers of laces that had brown in stock, all AZ Prime. I'll have them today because they're out for delivery by AMZL, along with some Perio teethbrushes I couldn't even find at CVS.
Don't worry, it's okay to buy shoelaces @Cyber Liberty And, you are exactly right. The selection at Amazon is great and it's so easy to find things that you could wander around Walmart forever and not find. But I kinda like wandering around Walmart.
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What were you thinking that day when your mama was trying to teach you how to tie your shoes @roamer_1?
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:silly:
Your mamma had to teach you how to tie? I been throwing knots from before I ever wore shoes...
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Flip Flops
Or sandals
Maybe boat shoes
Excellent for hiking in the Desert, ja! :cool:
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I went to school with folks like you. They only had shoes that closed with Velcro. They were special kids. The small bus picked them up in the mornings.......
:smokin:
...And let me guess... When they got on that bus, one of em sat down right next to you, right?
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I've heard from people who like that service Walmart is now providing. But what happened to wandering through stores and seeing Walmart people. I enjoy that.
We are detaching ourselves from all human interaction. People text to each other while sitting at the same table. What's up with that.
Fine with me. Humans are a$$holes. :tongue2:
(I like Walmart sometimes too, but I never get to go.)
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Your mamma had to teach you how to tie? I been throwing knots from before I ever wore shoes...
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I was born a crotchety old man, so there's that.
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I went to school with folks like you. They only had shoes that closed with Velcro. They were special kids. The small bus picked them up in the mornings.......
:smokin:
@Wingnut That reminds me of the evolution of euphemisms. I was criticized in a writing group because of calling a boy 'retarded.' (He was retarded).. Actually 'retarded' was an effort at a euphemism whereas before words like stupid, dummy, idiot, etc. were used.
People keep trying to think of a kinder, gentler way to describe retarded people. Now, they are 'special.' But that will gradually be denounced as pejorative.
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I was born Stupid AND Silly, things haven't improved much in 65 years.
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Fine with me. Humans are a$$holes. :tongue2:
(I like Walmart sometimes too, but I never get to go.)
@Cyber Liberty I only get to go when my son-in-law wants to go. I don't drive in that part of Maui. Why don't you never get to go?
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@Wingnut That reminds me of the evolution of euphemisms. I was criticized in a writing group because of calling a boy 'retarded.' (He was retarded).. Actually 'retarded' was an effort at a euphemism whereas before words like stupid, dummy, idiot, etc. were used.
People keep trying to think of a kinder, gentler way to describe retarded people. Now, they are 'special.' But that will gradually be denounced as pejorative.
My ol Lady goes ballistic when I say 'panties in a wad', must be an experience thing cause I just don't get it.
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Human beings are quite often 'assholes' and I am sometimes grateful that people here can't reach out and slap me.
However, I find it sad sometimes. On our early walks, Smitty and I often see a group of high school kids waiting for the bus. There is no pushing, shoving, laughing, talking, etc. Even the pretty girl is ignored. They are all silently staring at their phones. Is that normal?
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I was born a crotchety old man, so there's that.
Them hikers are Dexters by the way... Company is long gone, so I'm told... I have had Dexters since I was a teen... That pair and this pair...
Man, I will hate it when they finally die.
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My ol Lady goes ballistic when I say 'panties in a wad', must be an experience thing cause I just don't get it.
@corbe I dislike the use of the word 'panties.' on the forum. Someone told me to put on my big girl panties. I was highly offended. I wear small.
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It's better than what we use to stare at in the mornings at the Bus Stop~who was bogarting the Joint.
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I kinda figured you did @Emjay (wear small), that's the way you always appear in my Dreams, anyway.
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@Cyber Liberty I only get to go when my son-in-law wants to go. I don't drive in that part of Maui. Why don't you never get to go?
Mrs Liberty does all the shopping, and I drive her nutz when we go to the store together. It's not a matter of distance or anything, it's less than a mile from me. It's the bad part of the neighborhood, though. Section Eight apartments across the street from Wally World. It's not bad, they only had that one shooting spree a few years back, but you don't go to that WM without carrying.
Mrs. Liberty has a Taurus .380. It's pink.
(http://images.wholesalehunter.com/prodpics/taurpic1738039bssp.jpg)
Mine is black.
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We are detaching ourselves from all human interaction. People text to each other while sitting at the same table. What's up with that.
That's a fact. I make it a point to go around and pay my bills in person. If I need to talk to someone, I hardly ever do it on the phone anymore... I'll come around and see em. Sweet tea on the porch is becoming a lost art, and the world is a sad place for it.
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Human beings are quite often 'assholes' and I am sometimes grateful that people here can't reach out and slap me.
However, I find it sad sometimes. On our early walks, Smitty and I often see a group of high school kids waiting for the bus. There is no pushing, shoving, laughing, talking, etc. Even the pretty girl is ignored. They are all silently staring at their phones. Is that normal?
It is. For one thing, if a boy looks at a pretty girl wrong, he's shipped off to the special school for pervs. It's an introduction to life as a grownup, because that's what they do to regular guys in the workplace.
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Them hikers are Dexters by the way... Company is long gone, so I'm told... I have had Dexters since I was a teen... That pair and this pair...
Man, I will hate it when they finally die.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p4PkoeXYyOQ/TUcmsvOyjJI/AAAAAAAALBY/P-DXMIoNiXY/s1600/%2521CD1-segBGk%257E%2524%2528KGrHqZ%252C%2521h%2521E0fCu%2521%2528DeBNP6l1264w%257E%257E0_3.jpg)
I used to where shoes like that. I don't think they were Dexters, though. They were beaten to heck and I had knots in the laces. Tossed them when I got hitched.
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It is. For one thing, if a boy looks at a pretty girl wrong, he's shipped off to the special school for pervs. It's an introduction to life as a grownup, because that's what they do to regular guys in the workplace.
Just wait until the new Princess Meghan gets her social justice movement going.
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@corbe I dislike the use of the word 'panties.' on the forum. Someone told me to put on my big girl panties. I was highly offended. I wear small.
Just dont wear em on your head. That's torture
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Just wait until the new Princess Meghan gets her social justice movement going.
We're not much better off on this side of the pond. Melania kicked off her anti-Opioid crusade last week, and I think we're going to hate that.
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Fine with me. Humans are a$$holes. :tongue2:
(I like Walmart sometimes too, but I never get to go.)
@Cyber Liberty
Gee I hadn't noticed
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Just dont wear em on your head. That's torture
The wearing or the viewing? *bouche*
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The wearing or the viewing? *bouche*
Heck I'm still stuck on going to England for toothpaste
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Heck I'm still stuck on going to England for toothpaste
It's good stuff....
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Y'all were busy while I was gone. I like it.
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@Wingnut That reminds me of the evolution of euphemisms. I was criticized in a writing group because of calling a boy 'retarded.' (He was retarded).. Actually 'retarded' was an effort at a euphemism whereas before words like stupid, dummy, idiot, etc. were used.
People keep trying to think of a kinder, gentler way to describe retarded people. Now, they are 'special.' But that will gradually be denounced as pejorative.
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In my lean years I did a stint as a substitute teacher. One day a kid was acting up in class and I said: "Don't act like a retard." Several days later all hell broke loose from the PC Crowd. Long story short... after being hauled in front of the Spanish PC Inquisition I told the principal and the HR person holding the kangaroo Court to kiss my white retarded ass. I never set foot in a school house again.
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...And let me guess... When they got on that bus, one of em sat down right next to you, right?
@roamer_1
That was You! Damn Roamer.... if I had only known!
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In my lean years I did a stint as a substitute teacher. One day a kid was acting up in class and I said: "Don't act like a retard." Several days later all hell broke loose from the PC Crowd. Long story short... after being hauled in front of the Spanish PC Inquisition I told the principal and the HR person holding the kangaroo Court to kiss my white retarded ass. I never set foot in a school house again.
@Wingnut That was pretty mild. I was actually referring to a character in a book as retarded. I don't blame you for leaving.
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In my lean years I did a stint as a substitute teacher. One day a kid was acting up in class and I said: "Don't act like a retard." Several days later all hell broke loose from the PC Crowd. Long story short... after being hauled in front of the Spanish PC Inquisition I told the principal and the HR person holding the kangaroo Court to kiss my white retarded ass. I never set foot in a school house again.
That's much better than the PE instructor I had in elementary school that punched a kid in the chest because he was acting up in class. I'm pretty sure that guy never set foot in a school house again too.
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Saturday, I pulled up my Amazon and told it I want 45" laces for walking shoes, brown. Up came a half-dozen different manufacturers of laces that had brown in stock, all AZ Prime. I'll have them today because they're out for delivery by AMZL, along with some Perio teethbrushes I couldn't even find at CVS.
That's actually pretty funny to me, @Cyber Liberty. About the only thing I couldn't find from Amazon a while back was the right black shoelaces! I was also surprised to see that they didn't carry the very common Kiwi brand. (I just did a search and see that they now have a much better selection, and carry Kiwi.)
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That's much better than the PE instructor I had in elementary school that punched a kid in the chest because he was acting up in class. I'm pretty sure that guy never set foot in a school house again too.
Catholic Parochial school...and the Sisters of Mercy never feared that happening to them.
Can still 'see' Sister Mary Redempta, my 4th grade teacher flipping Thomas Crain over her shoulder and body slamming him on the linoleum floor.
Thomas Crain was 15. Typical 4th graders are 10.
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Regarding pretty odd things on Amazon (beyond all the normal stuff)...
I've bought a replacement motor capacitor for an A/C condenser fan on one of my HVAC units... Got it faster than I could get an A/C repair guy here to replace it...
A Paraffin Cartridge temperature regulating shower replacement valve and numerous other odd plumbing parts. Didn't need a plumber.
A Hakko Soldering Station FX-951-66. This has replaceable elements for very small soldering iron tips that are temperature regulating and very high power (up to 75 watts). I also got a wide variety of tips to go with it all on Amazon.
A X-Tronic Model 5040-XR3 All In One Hot Air Rework Soldering Iron Station With Preheater.
A Bluetooth enabled CMS 50F PLUS OLED Wrist Color Pulse Oximeter along with other medical devices.
Numerous hard drives, NAS stations, computer parts, etc.
All in one place! And usually either better pricing or very competitive all with great customer service.