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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on February 16, 2016, 06:25:39 pm
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Just curious....
If Trump was/is saying the EXACTsame things but the only difference is he had a D after his name, would you be supporting him...remember you have all agreed with what he has said up until now.
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No.
And neither would I vote for another establishment Republican either.
If you want to compare Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton or Barry Sanders with anyone, you should be comparing them with the current leadership (Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan) of the Republican party.
Donald Trump is NOT the problem, THEY are.
And that is why trump is burning down the barn, and them with it.
Quite wonderful to witness, if Trump survives it.
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Just curious....
If Trump was/is saying the EXACTsame things but the only difference is he had a D after his name, would you be supporting him...remember you have all agreed with what he has said up until now.
All agree with what he has said or agreed with all that he has said? Pretty big leap there Myst....
I have no idea if he will make a good president or not, I just know for a fact that the other candidates will not.
All of his noise irritates the h*** out of me, but he is a fighter and that is what we need more than anything else right now.
No more sheep, no more go along to get along....
If he was running on the democratic ticket? probably not but it would depend on who the "R"'s were able to put up... if the republican stable was nothing but bushes and grahams, then I would probably just stay home.
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Just curious....
If Trump was/is saying the EXACTsame things but the only difference is he had a D after his name, would you be supporting him...remember you have all agreed with what he has said up until now.
I don't agree with all he has said, just most of it. No.
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Oops. I've deleted my comment about partial birth abortion since I'm most decidedly NOT a Trump supporter.
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I don't agree with everything Trump has said and never said I did!
I am at the point that I am so angry with the GOP right now that I do not want to vote for any politician that has had a hand in this sorry mess we are now in. If the only Republican candidate that is NOT a politician running would be my cat - that is who I would be supporting right now - I am that sick of them!
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All agree with what he has said or agreed with all that he has said? Pretty big leap there Myst....
You are correct ED..that was a pretty big leap..as none of us agree completely with the candidate we support....
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Mind sharing just how you know that?
I'm seriously interested in knowing.
The mess we have is no Obama's fault alone.
Republican administrations and congresses get so worked up over one or two issues that the whole country is circling the drain on its way down.
They think that PP is more important than national security, the next election is more important than the deficit or the perception that they MUST pass a budget no matter how bad because we don't want to be blamed for shutting down the government.
The republicans will not hold administrations responsible for ANYTHING. We have the VA effectively murdering veterans and where is the outrage from our republican controlled congress?
The United States Department of Treasury, IRS, is penalizing those that disagree with the administration, and yet again our republican controlled congress continues to recess, cash their checks and attend fundraisers and cocktail parties.
The Rules of Engagement are nothing more than forcing our young men and women sitting ducks in a shooting gallery, yet our republican congress does nothing.
I could go on but I think you get my drift, there are several dozen people that should be in prison for fraud, treason and violations of the public trust...
Silence is an endorsement....
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You are correct ED..that was a pretty big leap..as none of us agree completely with the candidate we support....
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The republicans will not hold administrations responsible for ANYTHING
This is why I have left the GOP..I am a Conservative without a Party.....but I have to remain a Repub if I want to vote in Il primaries. **nononono*
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I thought this thread was for Trump supporters only? Is this going to turn into another arguing thread where we have to defend our support?
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I thought this thread was for Trump supporters only? Is this going to turn into another arguing thread where we have to defend our support?
It is...I am about to lock it....not working out like I thought it would...lol :shrug:
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As others have clarified above, no, I don't agree with everything that Trump has said.
And to answer the main question, yes, I would support and vote for him regardless of what party he was running within.
I say this as someone that has voted for EVERY Republican Presidential nominee of my voting lifetime, up to and including Romney. I also say it as someone that started my campaigning days for Nixon's second term and that has donated a substantial amount of my dollars and time over these decades (all to Republican candidates).
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Unlocked
The only reason I asked this question is that I had this same conservation with my husband last night who supports Trump..but would not vote for him with a D after his name :huh?:
But I think he has changed his mind after what Trump said about GW Bush....who my hubby and son proudly served under.
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NO
No difference between the D or R. They are the UNIPARTY and TRUMP is the only one that will do something to FIX this country. All of our lifetimes the politicians ran the show and look where we are at today. Does not matter which party in POWER. They all had one other thing in common, DONORS whom they all answered to. The only time they even talk to the people is election time. Look at the results of what the POLITICIANS have done to the country? TRUMP is NOT a politician and is beholding to NO One because he has NO DONORS who are pulling his strings. He will work for the people not the DONORS. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Lets try a non politician who is not controlled by the political donor class and see what happens. It cannot be any worse that what has happened in most of our lifetimes? :patriot:
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For me it's not about ideology anymore. It's about resolve and toughness, performance record, work ethic and energy, strength on 3 core issues: immigration, national security and jobs. Trump scored 100% on all of it.
My entire family voted democrat until I came along. Why should I hate my family, friends, and coworkers just because they wrongly vote for the (D)?
I just have to work harder to educate them, that's all.
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Just curious....
If Trump was/is saying the EXACTsame things but the only difference is he had a D after his name, would you be supporting him...remember you have all agreed with what he has said up until now.
Impossible hypothesis. No D would ever say "The next justice needs to be like Scalia. If we could find his double, that would be best". No D would be talking about Immigration or tade in the same fashion he is.
No D would be saying "make America Great Again".
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NO
No difference between the D or R. They are the UNIPARTY and TRUMP is the only one that will do something to FIX this country.
Then let him run as an independent. His stink has no place in the GOP.
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And they wonder why TRUMP is leading. :patriot:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/16/incredible-moment-after-protest-disruption-donald-trump-calls-two-brave-audience-members-to-stage/
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It is...I am about to lock it....not working out like I thought it would...lol :shrug:
Make a poll. People can vote and comment.
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Then let him run as an independent. His stink has no place in the GOP.
Jazz, my man. I didn't know you were a Trump supporter, buddy. Welcome to the dark side!
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Jazz, my man. I didn't know you were a Trump supporter, buddy. Welcome to the dark side!
I knew he'd come around! :laugh:
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For me it's not about ideology anymore. It's about resolve and toughness, performance record, work ethic and energy, strength on 3 core issues: immigration, national security and jobs. Trump scored 100% on all of it.
I fully agree with this.
And I would add that I'm done with labels. Especially the "conservative" label. Conservatives, such as the Sainted Mark Levin, cost us the election in 2012 by beating Romney absolutely bloody in the primaries because Romney wasn't pure enough. Even on election day, Mark was so full of himself he didn't even try to rally any remaining voters in his listening area. Mark Levin gave us four more years of Obama.
Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh, too, are repeating this mistake. They will beat the hell out Donald Trump --- the one candidate who appeals across all boundaries --- because he doesn't meet their myopic vision of a Republican president. They are going to willfully ignore what Trump CAN accomplish for this nation and how badly these accomplishments are needed. Conservative talk show gurus are once again on track to costing America the leader she needs--right now.
I'm finding it more and more difficult to forgive this.
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Just curious....
If Trump was/is saying the EXACTsame things but the only difference is he had a D after his name, would you be supporting him...remember you have all agreed with what he has said up until now.
Of course not. If he was the Democrat,...while I wouldn't vote for him, I surely wouldn't mind if he won.
The object here is to have the strongest, most viable candidate to keep The Left from delivering the coup de grace to Conservatives, and to any God-Fearing American who believes in the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders...and it's over.
Because the next Revolution will be not over race or slavery. It will be over the Second Amendment.
If Ted Cruz had Bryce Harper's numbers, I may reconsider.
Let's talk Sunday. :laugh:
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I fully agree with this.
And I would add that I'm done with labels. Especially the "conservative" label. Conservatives, such as the Sainted Mark Levin, cost us the election in 2012 by beating Romney absolutely bloody in the primaries because Romney wasn't pure enough. Even on election day, Mark was so full of himself he didn't even try to rally any remaining voters in his listening area. Mark Levin gave us four more years of Obama.
Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh, too, are repeating this mistake. They will beat the hell out Donald Trump --- the one candidate who appeals across all boundaries --- because he doesn't meet their myopic vision of a Republican president. They are going to willfully ignore what Trump CAN accomplish for this nation and how badly these accomplishments are needed. Conservative talk show gurus are once again on track to costing America the leader she needs--right now.
I'm finding it more and more difficult to forgive this.
Get out of my head! You are reading my mind - I feel the same way.
I no longer call myself a "conservative" either. The term has no meaning to me anymore - in fact - it embarrasses me to use it. Nowadays, it's used to sell books, gold, food that lasts 25 years, and as a litmus test as to who is "pure" enough and who is not.
These radio talking heads and "conservative" writers are heavily invested in the lucrative market of conservative labeling. And where has it got us?
The only people I see benefiting from it are the ones selling it. Big money in that.
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I fully agree with this.
And I would add that I'm done with labels. Especially the "conservative" label. Conservatives, such as the Sainted Mark Levin, cost us the election in 2012 by beating Romney absolutely bloody in the primaries because Romney wasn't pure enough. Even on election day, Mark was so full of himself he didn't even try to rally any remaining voters in his listening area. Mark Levin gave us four more years of Obama.
Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh, too, are repeating this mistake. They will beat the hell out Donald Trump --- the one candidate who appeals across all boundaries --- because he doesn't meet their myopic vision of a Republican president. They are going to willfully ignore what Trump CAN accomplish for this nation and how badly these accomplishments are needed. Conservative talk show gurus are once again on track to costing America the leader she needs--right now.
I'm finding it more and more difficult to forgive this.
You are talking about the fact the AM radio talk show people get rich keeping listeners ENTERTAINED with drama; Limbo, Levin, Beck etc.
Ye the GOP has lost the popular vote 5 of the last 6 times during this flourishing period of "conservative" talk radio.
Michael Smerconish speaks to this. I coined the term "narrow but loud," which I stick by.
I am fortunate to not vote until June. Regardless of who the GOP nominates, I expect the loss of both the Presidency and the Senate majority.
I am guilty of being attracted to the novelty of Trump, but I also realize he is pushing voters away.
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Just curious....
If Trump was/is saying the EXACTsame things but the only difference is he had a D after his name, would you be supporting him...remember you have all agreed with what he has said up until now.
EXCELLENT question!
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This is why I have left the GOP..I am a Conservative without a Party.....but I have to remain a Repub if I want to vote in Il primaries. **nononono*
I may be wrong,but I honestly think the "great minds" that run the RNC would be genuinely shocked at how few actual Republicans today are "Party People" that will blindly follow any ticket with a Big Red R on it's chest.
I think they may be waking up now,though.
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Then let him run as an independent. His stink has no place in the GOP.
Sorry,but I am having a hard time visualizing anyplace that has more stink than the GOP.
Bush,Bush,McLunatic,Romney,and now the establishment is pushing JEB and/or Rubio?
4 day old fish stinks less than that.
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And they wonder why TRUMP is leading. :patriot:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/16/incredible-moment-after-protest-disruption-donald-trump-calls-two-brave-audience-members-to-stage/
What I find hilarious is the GOP establishment and the GOP Party People are honestly shocked that any candidate can run promoting actual conservative values without even having a plan to do the things he says he wants to do,and actually end up absolutely burying the GOP establishment candidates.
Given that Trump is about as unlikeable as any candidate that has ever ran,is a ego maniac and narcissist,brags about being a Billionaire instead of a "common man",and pretty much says anything that comes to mind and is STILL burying them in the polls,some of them have to be getting a little suicidal by now. If this becomes a trend,they will have to start openly supporting the Dim candidates if they want to see their policies become law.
I'd support Trump in a minute if I actually thought he meant anything he has been saying.
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Just curious....
If Trump was/is saying the EXACTsame things but the only difference is he had a D after his name, would you be supporting him...remember you have all agreed with what he has said up until now.
I forgot to answer the rest of your question, Myst.
If Trump was saying that we need to build a wall so that we can monitor who comes into our country, and saying that we need to hold off on refugees coming in from problematic areas of the world until we can get a handle on what kind of loyalties they may harbor, and if he was saying that we need to stop the blood loss of jobs to China and other countries that don't have to play on the same playing field as companies do here - and if he was saying that the deal we made with Iran was one of the stupidest things we've ever done -
- and if he was saying that he would repeal Obamacare and open up competition between state lines for people to buy competitively priced private insurance tailored to their needs and that we would have a system so that poor people would still get necessary healthcare -
- and if he was saying that he would root out waste and fraud in our government......
...and the Republican guy was being backed by big money donors that are promoting globalism and open borders - while talking about reaching across an aisle that never reaches back, blah, blah, blah.
Then YES - I would vote for him even if he had a (D) next to his name!
I am truly a RINO - a Republican in name only. Only a Republican in name because it's the only way I can vote in the primary system. I'm no longer proud to wear that label. **nononono*
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Get out of my head! You are reading my mind - I feel the same way.
LOL! :beer:
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You are talking about the fact the AM radio talk show people get rich keeping listeners ENTERTAINED with drama; Limbo, Levin, Beck etc.
When smart, educated people quote Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck as gospel.....it's more than entertainment. It's destructive---- because they bring about the very outcomes they claim to be against. And they do it over and over and over again.
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I forgot to answer the rest of your question, Myst.
If Trump was saying that we need to build a wall so that we can monitor who comes into our country, and saying that we need to hold off on refugees coming in from problematic areas of the world until we can get a handle on what kind of loyalties they may harbor, and if he was saying that we need to stop the blood loss of jobs to China and other countries that don't have to play on the same playing field as companies do here - and if he was saying that the deal we made with Iran was one of the stupidest things we've ever done -
- and if he was saying that he would repeal Obamacare and open up competition between state lines for people to buy competitively priced private insurance tailored to their needs and that we would have a system so that poor people would still get necessary healthcare -
- and if he was saying that he would root out waste and fraud in our government......
...and the Republican guy was being backed by big money donors that are promoting globalism and open borders - while talking about reaching across an aisle that never reaches back, blah, blah, blah.
Then YES - I would vote for him even if he had a (D) next to his name!
I am truly a RINO - a Republican in name only. Only a Republican in name because it's the only way I can vote in the primary system. I'm no longer proud to wear that label. **nononono*
goopo :patriot:
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With a "-d" behind his name?
Nah.... I'm not votin' for no democrats no mo'.
But that guy Trump?
Ain't he sumthin', like a bull ragin' around in the China shop, smashin' up everything in sight?
Now THAT'S what I like to see!
...The destruction of the false, corrupt, compromised edifice of American übergovernment that has been constructed brick by brick, law by law, executive order by executive order, and (last but not least) regulation by regulation over the last forty years.
As the song went, "All in all, just another brick in the wall".
And if The Donald can succeed in knockin' down at least some of those bricks, he's the kind of guy I'll vote for.
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As the song went, "All in all, just another brick in the wall".
What song was that?
Must have been before my time...
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I'd support Trump in a minute if I actually thought he meant anything he has been saying.
It comes down to how you want to "gamble" sneakypete. There are no guarantees with any of them.
One can gamble on:
- one of the other candidates in the race,
- letting the chips fall where they may by not participating in the Presidential election in November, or
- Trump.
This time around I am willing to gamble on Trump; if he is able to accomplish in 4 years, 1/2 of what he is talking about, I will be satisfied.
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What I find hilarious is the GOP establishment and the GOP Party People are honestly shocked that any candidate can run promoting actual conservative values without even having a plan to do the things he says he wants to do,and actually end up absolutely burying the GOP establishment candidates.
Given that Trump is about as unlikeable as any candidate that has ever ran,is a ego maniac and narcissist,brags about being a Billionaire instead of a "common man",and pretty much says anything that comes to mind and is STILL burying them in the polls,some of them have to be getting a little suicidal by now. If this becomes a trend,they will have to start openly supporting the Dim candidates if they want to see their policies become law.
I'd support Trump in a minute if I actually thought he meant anything he has been saying.
Do you think the other politicians that are running mean what they say? I used to fall for it, but they've lied to me so many times - I'm just not buying it anymore.
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What I find hilarious is the GOP establishment and the GOP Party People are honestly shocked that any candidate can run promoting actual conservative values without even having a plan to do the things he says he wants to do,and actually end up absolutely burying the GOP establishment candidates.
Given that Trump is about as unlikeable as any candidate that has ever ran,is a ego maniac and narcissist,brags about being a Billionaire instead of a "common man",and pretty much says anything that comes to mind and is STILL burying them in the polls,some of them have to be getting a little suicidal by now. If this becomes a trend,they will have to start openly supporting the Dim candidates if they want to see their policies become law.
I'd support Trump in a minute if I actually thought he meant anything he has been saying.
Who do you support? Bet u will not answer?? :silly:
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What song was that?
Must have been before my time...
Pink Floyd,one of the greatest and most creative bands of all time. Another Brick in the Wall was both a song title and album title for a double album by them that had record sales. Probably came out in the early 80's.
I usually describe them as playing "Blues from the 25 th Century.
IIRC,that song was was in reference to English schoolchildren being taught to think like robots and be "just another brick in the wall" instead of thinking for themselves and being creative.
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It comes down to how you want to "gamble" sneakypete. There are no guarantees with any of them.
One can gamble on:
- one of the other candidates in the race,
- letting the chips fall where they may by not participating in the Presidential election in November, or
- Trump.
This time around I am willing to gamble on Trump; if he is able to accomplish in 4 years, 1/2 of what he is talking about, I will be satisfied.
I know,but I am awful damn tired of Lucy pulling that football away from meevery time, just as I kick it. Going on past record,Trump is the most unreliable and dishonest creature in politics,and that's saying something.
I am leaning towards Cruz because I think he is mostly conservative,but it remains to be seen how much pressure is going to be applied to him bY tje RNC as the campaign goes along,and if he yields to it. IF he does as I think he will do and stands tall in front of the Bill of Rights,he's got my vote and maybe even some of my money. If he fails to do that,I will go to the polls and leave the Presidential box unchecked and go back home,content that I have done my duty as a citizen and voted for people I actually want to see in public office who I believe will protect the Bill of Rights.
I will NOT vote for the lesser of two evils under ANY circumstances. That's the kind of crap that has put us where we are today,and it has to stop or we will never have any actual conservative candidates to vote for.
If I am wrong and you are right and Trump wins and governs like someone who is conservative,I will happily admit you are right,and congradulate you while apologizing for doubting your wisdom.
Sometimes being wrong is a good thing.
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Who do you support? Bet u will not answer?? :silly:
Why wouldn't I answer What's to be afraid of?
I am leaning strongly towards supporting Cruz. If I don't vote for him,I don't see me voting for any presidential candidate this cycle.
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I know,but I am awful damn tired of Lucy pulling that football away from meevery time, just as I kick it. Going on past record,Trump is the most unreliable and dishonest creature in politics,and that's saying something.
I am leaning towards Cruz because I think he is mostly conservative,but it remains to be seen how much pressure is going to be applied to him bY tje RNC as the campaign goes along,and if he yields to it. IF he does as I think he will do and stands tall in front of the Bill of Rights,he's got my vote and maybe even some of my money. If he fails to do that,I will go to the polls and leave the Presidential box unchecked and go back home,content that I have done my duty as a citizen and voted for people I actually want to see in public office who I believe will protect the Bill of Rights.
I will NOT vote for the lesser of two evils under ANY circumstances. That's the kind of crap that has put us where we are today,and it has to stop or we will never have any actual conservative candidates to vote for.
If I am wrong and you are right and Trump wins and governs like someone who is conservative,I will happily admit you are right,and congradulate you while apologizing for doubting your wisdom.
Sometimes being wrong is a good thing.
Thanks sneakypete, I agree with much of what you said. (Cruz was the *only* candidate that I was willing to consider at the start of 2015.)