Getting shaky? Every story is shaky, if for no better reason than the timing.
I'm glad Moore is being proactive. Too bad his own party isn't. They're all too busy throwing Moore under the bus. And that makes them suspect too.
Agreed. In listening to Levine yesterday and listening to a couple of victim's stories, it seems that sexual misconduct and sexual abuse towards women on Capitol Hill is (and using his words) pervasive.
That is what came to my mind as well; those that have quickly thrown Moore under the bus to me are suspect.
Very nice to see the 'mall ban' refuted.Note that the video is no longer up (but the image and title are still in the sidebar). http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned (http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned)
And also nice to see someone in the press saying Allred's refusal to turn over the document without a Senate hearing is a big mistake.
Note that the video is no longer up (but the image and title are still in the sidebar). http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned (http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned)
Very nice to see the 'mall ban' refuted.Her attempt at going to the Senate instead of the Courts shows in itself a political motivation.
And also nice to see someone in the press saying Allred's refusal to turn over the document without a Senate hearing is a big mistake.
Q: Why are Democrats so quick to accuse their opponents of all manner of 'It Won't Play In Cleveland' conduct?
A: Because it's what they know best from their own personal experience in it.
The Republicans are just being Republicans, quaking in terror of the NYT calling them nasty names.
Her attempt at going to the Senate instead of the Courts shows in itself a political motivation.
I'm glad Moore is being proactive.
May have to start calling them the Russian-American Media collaborators.
It's not just the New York times, it's the entire media monster. All of the networks are part of a massive media weapon designed to keep the Washington money spigot flowing.
These media organizations are owned and controlled by people who's best interests lie in keeping the Washington spending party borrowing and spending.
The media have the power to manipulate elections, and that is precisely why they do what they do. It's about power. It's about continuing the power in the hands of those people who have it now, most of whom live in the North Eastern corner of the nation.
The media is a tool to keep that power, and they use it against anyone who threatens that power.
Getting shaky? Every story is shaky, if for no better reason than the timing.
I'm glad Moore is being proactive. Too bad his own party isn't. They're all too busy throwing Moore under the bus. And that makes them suspect too.
As the stories get more and more shaky the press will shift coverage from the charges themselves to the fake polls.
Fixed it for you!
Very nice to see the 'mall ban' refuted.
And also nice to see someone in the press saying Allred's refusal to turn over the document without a Senate hearing is a big mistake.
@roamer_1
It hasn't been refuted, though. The guy said Moore hadn't been banned "to his knowledge", which would be pretty lacking since Moore was cruising the mall for teens in the late 70s. This guy started his job at the mall in the 80s.
The vid is there for me...I get "Error: No valid source could be found", but I'm running Win XP, Firefox, and maybe that has something to do with it. HTML5 and twitter videos will not play on this box.
I get "Error: No valid source could be found", but I'm running Win XP, Firefox, and maybe that has something to do with it. HTML5 and twitter videos will not play on this box.Win XP? Aren't you ancient?
@CatherineofAragon
Banned is banned. Official protocol... A Banned List would be in his direct control for his direct supervision. Do you really think he would not have noted the name?
I don't think the name is on any list.
Oh I disagree. His kiss is on your list.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsHld-iArOc
@Frank Cannon
Dude, if Moore was all I could get, I'd get to a nunnery. Give me credit for some taste, would you?
I wouldn't do that if I were you. Roy likes religion a whole lot. Don't think a habit is going to turn him off.
@Frank Cannon
Who in the hell ever heard of eating dinner at five p.m...
@roamer_1
I don't think the name is on any list. It doesn't make sense that it would be. Think about it. The assistant DA gets banned for cruising for teenagers. Do you really think all parties involved didn't just agree to keep it quiet as long as there was no more trouble? If his name was on a list, someone would have found it before now.
@Frank Cannon
Lol
I'll pick this up later...I have to go to a dinner with the inlaws and that entire bunch. Who in the hell ever heard of eating dinner at five p.m...
Win XP? Aren't you ancient?My Win 95 won't load web pages.
@CatherineofAragonYep. Every joint that has an '86 list has a list. That way the banned don't slip in on the late shift (or with the morning crowd--we had two distinct groups, although they got along well at 'shift change').
I have been a bouncer a fair bit, both at bars and as security for events... Somewhere, either behind the bar or in the back room, there is a banned list with photos of the folks. Events will have a printed sheet of folks that are not to be on the property. There is always a list.
@Smokin Joe
My Dad got home from work between 4 and 4:30. That's when we ate dinner.
My Dad got home from work between 4 and 4:30. That's when we ate dinner.
Supper here is after dark, which might be 4:30 or it might be 10:30.Yep. It all depends on the time of year.
And everyone was to bed by 6PM. Sounds delightful except in the summer when you had to paint all the windows black to sleep.
What a joke. You people are high if you believe he’s actually going to follow through on this lawsuit.Indeed, and that's why predatory accusers like to drop their bombshells during campaigns, because they know the candidates can't devote full-time work to preparing and winning a lawsuit without diverting attention from their campaign and lowering their own odds of winning.
Indeed, and that's why predatory accusers like to drop their bombshells during campaigns, because they know the candidates can't devote full-time work to preparing and winning a lawsuit without diverting attention from their campaign and lowering their own odds of winning.
Indeed, and that's why predatory accusers like to drop their bombshells during campaigns, because they know the candidates can't devote full-time work to preparing and winning a lawsuit without diverting attention from their campaign and lowering their own odds of winning.
Indeed, and that's why predatory accusers like to drop their bombshells during campaigns, because they know the candidates can't devote full-time work to preparing and winning a lawsuit without diverting attention from their campaign and lowering their own odds of winning.
Does anyone really give a shit about Roy Moore anymore or do people just like bitching about stuff?
I do! Quite a lot in fact. Not him so much as the principles involved!
Not him so much as the principles involved!
I do! Quite a lot in fact. Not him so much as the principles involved!
:thumbsup:It needs to be said, and it bears repeating.
This should matter to everyone. Moore is getting the shaft...and by extension, so are the voters in Alabama and for that matter, all of us.
'But I am finding I'm repeating myself in multiple threads. Time for me to just shaddup for a while.
It needs to be said, and it bears repeating.
This should matter to everyone. Moore is getting the shaft...and by extension, so are the voters in Alabama and for that matter, all of us.
Any one of us who boldly asserts our conservative beliefs could be falsely accused. You want to run for school board? Town council?
Watch out - someone could arise from the gutter to say you sexually assaulted her (or him).
Q: Why are Democrats so quick to accuse their opponents of all manner of 'It Won't Play In Cleveland' conduct?
A: Because it's what they know best from their own personal experience in it.
My Win 95 won't load web pages.
I've been thinking about upgrading from 3.1.I liked 3.11. Just saying. Maybe the graphics weren't impressive, but the system was dangnear bulletproof, and could you imagine running it on one of today's machines? We did all that on a 500MB HDD (if that) with 32K of RAM.
Seats fill fast for the early bird special at Denny's.
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Gloria Allred gets grilled over accuser’s yearbook, and gives a very odd responseShe want nothing more than to slander him and impune his reputation in public prior to the election, then drop it like a hot tater afterwards. I hope it backfires on this liberal wack job.
Carlos Garcia | Nov 16, 2017 8:15 am
CNN host Don Lemon grilled famed lawyer Gloria Allred, who is representing one of the accusers of Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, on issues surrounding the evidence her client had presented. Some found her answers to be evasive and unsatisfactory.
Here’s a transcript of what was said:“Did Judge Moore preside over her divorce?” Lemon asked. “Was this just filing of papers? Clear this up for us. How much involvement did she have involvement with him? What’s going on here?”
He was referring to a case that Moore’s lawyer brought up during a news conference that would dispute a claim by Beverly Young Nelson.
“We will answer any and all questions about that issue and any issue that they would like to bring up at the hearing which should be held within two weeks,” Allred responded. “If they do not have that hearing, then we’ll go to plan B and I will say at that time what plan B is. So I’m not gonna comment on that at this time. I will talk about the yearbook.”
“Can I ask you something?” Lemon asked, “When I hear your answers, because I heard you on CNN earlier, when I hear your answers, it seems like your answers are meant to compel him to speak on the record and under oath. Listen, I’m not a lawyer here. Are you trying to compel him to do that because you want to get him on the record and you want to be able to depose him? What’s your endgame here?”
“Well, of course, there is no legal process except the one I am proposing which is essentially a political process combined with a legal process,” Allred responded.
“So then why can’t you say if he presided over her divorce case, Gloria,” Lemon pressed.
“Well I’m saying we’re not going to put out bread crumbs of pieces of evidence,” Allred deflected. “We have evidence that we have not revealed to the press, and we’re not going to reveal it, bread crumb by bread crumb. We will be happy to answer all questions and provide all evidence at the hearing, if there is one. We think that’s the way to do it.”
“OK, so what about the signature?” Lemon asked. “Roy Moore’s attorney denies Moore ever wrote in Beverly’s yearbook. Can you say definitively that this is his signature?”
“I think what they wanted was a handwriting expert to examine it and we are willing if there is a hearing that is conducted by the Senate to allow an independent expert to examine the signature in the yearbook,” she continued. “In addition, of course, that handwriting expert would compare it to exemplars of Mr. Moore’s handwriting, signature, at the time that he signed the yearbook. So we are certainly open to that, assuming there’s going to be a hearing.”
“So you can’t say definitively that it’s his signature?” Lemon pressed again.
“I am saying that since they are now challenging that, we accept that challenge and we’re willing to have an independent expert,” Allred replied. . . .
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/11/16/gloria-allred-gets-grilled-over-accusers-yearbook-and-gives-a-very-odd-response
@Frank Cannon
My in-laws are definitely upscale. You would appreciate.
Actually, the evening. turned out well. The wine the server recommended to my sister-in-law and me was fantastic. A couple of glasses each brought on uncontrollable giggling fits, to the point that my gorgeous, classy SIL—-who doesn’t curse—- yelled the F word loud enough for people to turn around and look.
Definitely worth going, lol.
As a general rule, any time Democrats accuse you of doing something bad, it is because they are already doing it themselves.And at least 10 times worse.
From the report:
1.) The Olde Hickory House required employees to be at least 16. Beverly Nelson claims she was 15 when she started.
2.) The restaurants dumpsters were on the side of the building and not in back as Nelson claimed.
3.) A former employee says the restaurant NEVER closed at 11 PM as Nelson claimed and at midnight on most nights.
4.) Customers at the counter were served by the bartender or cook and not by any waitress.
5.) The witnesses claim they have shared this information with several news outlets but they have refused to report the truth!
More… Rhonda Ledbetter, who worked at the restaurant at the time, hesitated come forward but she said, “As a moral and ethical person,” she had to come forward. Rhonda said she never remembered ANYONE come into the restaurant in a suit and that Roy Moore NEVER came into the restaurant.
BOOM! Witness Drops Bomb! PROVES Gloria Allred and Accuser Nelson Were Lying – SAYS MEDIA WOULD NOT TALK With HER
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/boom-witness-drops-bomb-proves-gloria-allred-accuser-nelson-lying-says-media-not-talk/
Fixed it for you!
BOOM! Witness Drops Bomb! PROVES Gloria Allred and Accuser Nelson Were Lying – SAYS MEDIA WOULD NOT TALK With HER
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Seems like it should be it's own thread.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/boom-witness-drops-bomb-proves-gloria-allred-accuser-nelson-lying-says-media-not-talk/
Not to demean our brothers and sisters, but I saw a lot of judging on TBR which was disgusting.
The minute it came out, people here were leaping on it like hyenas.
The point is, they always hated Moore. He's just a little too old time religion for some of the sophisticates here. Or people who fancy themselves sophisticates.
I have long recognized the fact that not everyone who comes here is what they claim to be. It's the internet and anyone can say anything.
Seems like it should be it's own thread.
Wouldn't that needlessly aggravate certain people? :)
What's your point?
Aw. I was hoping the humor would be apparent.
Obviously I don't mind needlessly aggravating certain people, and so my advocacy for restraint is intended to be amusing.
It's not funny if you have to explain it. :)
Dittos. I thought we all came here to needlessly aggravate others. ;)
Dittos. I thought we all came here to needlessly aggravate others. ;)
As a general rule, any time Democrats accuse you of doing something bad, it is because they are already doing it themselves.
I've been thinking about upgrading from 3.1.
My my my. That would be impolite. I wouldn't be comfortable if that were true.
Great find! Not at all surprised by any of it! 888high58888
Am I interpreting that correctly, that you feel uncomfortable with the truth?
If the truth is that people are here to intentionally bug each other, it would greatly sadden me. I always felt everyone here had great respect and good will towards one another. What you are saying confuses my sensibilities.
My goodness, I had no idea you were the sensitive type.
After all this time reading my thoughtful and caring posts on the forum, you just came to that conclusion now?
I don't know why it's taken me so long. Your avatars alone spell out Mr. Sensitive. I see it all so clearly now.
Exactly. You see I have payed tribute to the brave and mistreated Indians as opposed to the violent Pilgrims for this sad holiday. It's the least I can do to respect their heritage.
That looks like a very forward thinking Indian you're paying tribute to.
You are such a xenophobe. The Indian people are as modern as the rest of the country. Because of the lack of buffalo hides, they have been forced to create their native outfits out of Dacron and polyester now.
I am not a xenophobe. We have very sandy soils and it takes a lot of water to get anything to grow. Not that that's any of your business. But I appreciate the education on the native outfits; very informative.
You've finally found out I'm really a woman?
EXCLUSIVE: Ex-Boyfriend of Roy Moore Accuser: I Don’t Believe Her
Breitbart, Nov 20, 2017, Aaron Klein
Birmingham, ALABAMA — A minister who says that he dated Beverly Young Nelson at around the same time that Young claims to have been assaulted by senatorial candidate Roy Moore says that he does not believe his ex-girlfriend about the allegations.
The former boyfriend, Jeff DeVine, attended high school with Young and is currently in Thailand, where he runs DeVine Ministries with his wife and twin daughters. He says that as part of his ministry, which focuses on rescuing children, he has worked with victims of rape and other trauma.
A high school classmate of Nelson’s who spoke to Breitbart News remembers DeVine and Nelson briefly dating around 1977. DeVine also provided a copy of his high school yearbook inscribed with a lengthy message by Nelson. The inscription was signed by “Beverly Young,” using Nelson’s maiden name.
DeVine’s comments mark the second time a person who has known Nelson has gone public to call her allegations against Moore into question. Last week, Nelson’s stepson, Darrel Nelson, claimed in a Breitbart News interview that his stepmother’s accusations are “one hundred percent a lie.”
More: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/20/exclusive-ex-boyfriend-of-roy-moore-accuser-i-dont-believe-her/
Here's to great Scotch and a good sense of humor! :beer: :beer:
Here's to great Scotch and a good sense of humor! :beer: :beer:
I'll drink to that.
I Was running Win 8.1, and upgraded (???) to Win 10.
And I can tell you for a fact that 10 is no such thing as an Improvement.
Just more of the same old same old.
No matter how much SELL, MS hands you, it's just them moving stuff around and you, the user, spending a couple of weeks trying to figure out where they hid it.
My sense of humor failed me and I had to report @Cripplecreek last comment. I don't have to read stuff like that before breakfast ... or any other time.
If the truth is that people are here to intentionally bug each other, it would greatly sadden me.
Here's to Bankers Club scotch and knock knock jokes.
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Always "planning" a lawsuit just like that degenerate fecal smear of a president we have.
Always "planning" a lawsuit just like that degenerate fecal smear of a president we have.
@Cripplecreek
You are a really nasty person with a very foul mouth.
Here's to Bankers Club scotch and knock knock jokes.
Liberals are like that, he was anti-Romney, though St. Ted Cruz endorsed Romney. Another so-called Cruz supporter that never agrees with Cruz.
And you with your Cruz hate are another character.
Liberals are like that, he was anti-Romney, though St. Ted Cruz endorsed Romney. Another so-called Cruz supporter that never agrees with Cruz.
Always "planning" a lawsuit just like that degenerate fecal smear of a president we have.
And here is a prime example to what I referred in my last message.
If this is the verbiage he uses to describe Trump, I can only imagine how strongly he described Obama. Or did he even use such language referring to our last Imbecile President?
@DiogenesLamp
I don't recall him using that kind of language when referring to Obama. In fact he rarely posts anything but hate for Trump.
Well, first he took me home, to a motel, and then he undressed me, oh wait no, then he bought me a soda, and then he undressed me, except he left my clothes on, and then he touched me, I think...without actually touching me..
And then I caught the bus and went home and never said anything to anybody about it for 40 years.
I don't understand why such outrageous posts are allowed to remain @driftdiver They are disrespectful not only to the President, but to this forum and its members, too.
I've had dates like that... *yawn*
@Right_in_Virginia
I don't either but have been assured 10ways from Sunday that moderators are fair and balanced. Its a hard job, one I wouldn't care to tackle.
It shows far more about the person then the board though. We all lose our cool at times, I know I have. But some people are consistent with their hatred and unthinking blathering. I actually feel sorry for them having to go through life filled with so much black anger.
I don't understand why such outrageous posts are allowed to remain @driftdiver They are disrespectful not only to the President, but to this forum and its members, too.
@Right_in_Virginia
I don't either but have been assured 10ways from Sunday that moderators are fair and balanced. Its a hard job, one I wouldn't care to tackle.
It shows far more about the person then the board though. We all lose our cool at times, I know I have. But some people are consistent with their hatred and unthinking blathering. I actually feel sorry for them having to go through life filled with so much black anger.
I don't understand why such outrageous posts are allowed to remain @driftdiver They are disrespectful not only to the President, but to this forum and its members, too.
@RoosGirl
So you're a boring date? good to know, there go my Saturday plans.
I must step in to defend the moderators.
If I were a moderator, there would be very few posters left.
I think they are more inclined to delete posts that refer in obnoxious fashion to other posters on the board than posts (however disgusting) that refer to elected officials.
That's probably a good thing. Thanks, mods.
@Emjay
I'm a monkey, I fling poo. eff the mods
I must step in to defend the moderators.
If I were a moderator, there would be very few posters left.
I think they are more inclined to delete posts that refer in obnoxious fashion to other posters on the board than posts (however disgusting) that refer to elected officials.
That's probably a good thing. Thanks, mods.
I was gonna say I thank God that I am not like some people, but then I remembered Luke ll:18.
Oh, well.
@Emjay
I took a break for about a month and found my life much more peaceful. Less anger and stress. I've limited myself to only a few posts a day until today. Time to put myself back on the wagon. People like him take the joy out of life. Nothing is every good enough. One more conference call and then I'm gonna call it a day and go back to work on my kayak.
...long standing policy here is that you can say what you want about politicians or celebs just don't do it to another member here......all within reason of course
@Emjay
I took a break for about a month and found my life much more peaceful. Less anger and stress. I've limited myself to only a few posts a day until today. Time to put myself back on the wagon. People like him take the joy out of life. Nothing is every good enough. One more conference call and then I'm gonna call it a day and go back to work on my kayak.
I must step in to defend the moderators.
If I were a moderator, there would be very few posters left.
I think they are more inclined to delete posts that refer in obnoxious fashion to other posters on the board than posts (however disgusting) that refer to elected officials.
That's probably a good thing. Thanks, mods.
Totally hear you. I took almost a week off because I allowed some posters here to make me lose my cool. I came back to find idiocy still prevails but it keeps me out of the pool hall.
Close to none except the ones that let you call them the B word.
Bless you, my son. Where do you float your boat?
Ft Desoto Park and planning a trip to the Everglades.
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Ft Desoto Park and planning a trip to the Everglades.
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I've had dates like that... *yawn*
At 14?
Oh goodness, no.
Of course not - especially with someone 20 years your senior. What’s troubling is, it would’ve been perfectly legal, had she been a couple years older. Now, none of the teenaged girls who dated him ever made any such claims. However, I don’t see any reason for a grown man in his 30s to be dating teenage girls, whether it’s legal, or not. Moore has been dishonest about that aspect, because he knows it would not make him look good to some.
Those who are standing behind the ‘its not illegal’ line should ask themselves a couple questions. What would your reaction be if a man twice their age asked to date your teenage daughter? Would you vote for that man 30 years later?
You have a very good point. That is clearly a very good reason to chose a senator that approves of baby murder and gun control.
After all, we must keep our moral priorities in order. An older man dating teenagers is just icky.
Of course not - especially with someone 20 years your senior. What’s troubling is, it would’ve been perfectly legal, had she been a couple years older. Now, none of the teenaged girls who dated him ever made any such claims. However, I don’t see any reason for a grown man in his 30s to be dating teenage girls, whether it’s legal, or not. Moore has been dishonest about that aspect, because he knows it would not make him look good to some.
Those who are standing behind the ‘its not illegal’ line should ask themselves a couple questions. What would your reaction be if a man twice their age asked to date your teenage daughter? Would you vote for that man 30 years later?
Or, heaven forbid, you can review the other people that were options and make an adult decision about what you want as a representative. Love how people who want to bring down the swamp system stay within its paradigms and get trapped in its reasoning.
For this reason I'd rather go kayaking with the sharks. Although seeing a dolphin playing is tremendous.
For this reason I'd rather go kayaking with the sharks. Although seeing a dolphin playing is tremendous.
You have a very good point. That is clearly a very good reason to chose a senator that approves of baby murder and gun control.
After all, we must keep our moral priorities in order. An older man dating teenagers is just icky.
I swear I've read this exact thing, or something very similar to it, at least 50 times now. You'll pardon me if I don't respond to it....again.
Now we are expected to choose one evil over another because apparently there are no good men or women to represent us. And it isn't just icky. You remind me of some of the churches these days. Deciding what part of Gods Word to throw out.
There is no evidence that Moore did those things. And it was 35-40 years ago. If he was a real creep, we would have more recent examples.
The man who molested my sister 40 years ago is facing charges again today with no charges filed in the intervening years.
The man who molested my sister 40 years ago is facing charges again today with no charges filed in the intervening years.
Here is a response from Moore accuser including why she didn't come forward before.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2017/11/20/i-have-no-tickets-to-tahiti-moore-accuser-speaks-n2411886
When is Moore going to file the lawsuit? Haven't seen it.
Here is a response from Moore accuser including why she didn't come forward before.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2017/11/20/i-have-no-tickets-to-tahiti-moore-accuser-speaks-n2411886
When is Moore going to file the lawsuit? Haven't seen it.
He's not going to because he's a coward and a liar like Trump.Is the man who molested your sister running for Senate?
The man who molested my sister is apparently not guilty this time because none of the other girls he's molested in the intervening years have come forward.
Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.
He's not going to because he's a coward and a liar like Trump.
The man who molested my sister is apparently not guilty this time because none of the other girls he's molested in the intervening years have come forward.
Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.
The man who molested my sister 40 years ago is facing charges again today with no charges filed in the intervening years.
When I see the church also becoming neutral to this kind of thing for the sake of politics I feel sick.
Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.
Stuff like this doesn't help.....
“I don’t know how much these women are getting paid, but I can only believe they’re getting a healthy sum,” said pastor Earl Wise, a Moore supporter from Millbrook, Ala.
Wise said he would support Moore even if the allegations were true and the candidate was proved to have sexually molested teenage girls and women.
“There ought to be a statute of limitations on this stuff,” Wise said. “How these gals came up with this, I don’t know. They must have had some sweet dreams somewhere down the line.
“Plus,” he added, “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”
http://theweek.com/speedreads/738842/alabama-pastor-defends-roy-moore-by-saying-some-14yearolds--could-pass-20
He's not going to because he's a coward and a liar like Trump.
The man who molested my sister is apparently not guilty this time because none of the other girls he's molested in the intervening years have come forward.
Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.
Doesn't help. Makes people suspicious of church, even me. I know my church isn't like that. But I left one that I think would support a politician if they thought they could get something from it. I on the other hand put my trust in God.
Abortion is the most horrid thing a human can do if you ask me. But will I accept rape and sexual assault for a promise from a politician to do something about abortion. Does God do that? Would he say this is OK as long as you take a stand against this other evil? No.
When is Moore going to file the lawsuit? Haven't seen it.
LOLWhut? A proper suit will take a month to 6 months to bring forward. It isn't surprising at all that it hasn't happened yet.
LOLWhut? A proper suit will take a month to 6 months to bring forward. It isn't surprising at all that it hasn't happened yet.
Kindly do not cloud the issue with facts and common sense.
I disagree. See above.
Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.
They could file a lawsuit in a day. He's a lawyer and he's at home among lawyers. If they really believed it was entirely fake evidence they'd be pounding it in the courts seeking heavy damages and in the media. This isn't a he said/she said. There's a claim of evidence on one side and that it is fake evidence on the other. That can be analyzed and a determination of truth made. A real lawsuit has a way of causing reality to set in for those pushing a lie when faced with big fines/prison.What evidence? The only claim of any physical evidence would show Moore signed a yearbook for someone. Not one thing more. And then only if the signature hasn't been messed with, which sure looks like a possibility.
The only reason not to file a lawsuit is because there's truth mixed in there somewhere. Otherwise he'd be on a righteous crusade against Nelson to get justice - as would anyone.
What evidence? The only claim of any physical evidence would show Moore signed a yearbook for someone. Not one thing more. And then only if the signature hasn't been messed with, which sure looks like a possibility.
They could file a lawsuit in a day. He's a lawyer and he's at home among lawyers. If they really believed it was entirely fake evidence they'd be pounding it in the courts seeking heavy damages and in the media. This isn't a he said/she said. There's a claim of evidence on one side and that it is fake evidence on the other. That can be analyzed and a determination of truth made. A real lawsuit has a way of causing reality to set in for those pushing a lie when faced with big fines/prison.
The only reason not to file a lawsuit is because there's truth mixed in there somewhere. Otherwise he'd be on a righteous crusade against Nelson to get justice - as would anyone.
#VirtueSignal
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/21/child-sex-abuse-victim-calls-doug-jones-hypocrisy-jones-said-victims-claims-without-merit-cynical-attempt-extort-money/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
God has power, we don't. Moore deserves a day in court. The one thing has admitted too is chasing young girls. Not a crime but not someone I'd support.
At this point you all have declared him guilty of rape. You have no proof.
What evidence? The only claim of any physical evidence would show Moore signed a yearbook for someone. Not one thing more. And then only if the signature hasn't been messed with, which sure looks like a possibility.
What other physical evidence exists?
What evidence? The only claim of any physical evidence would show Moore signed a yearbook for someone. Not one thing more. And then only if the signature hasn't been messed with, which sure looks like a possibility.
What other physical evidence exists?
No, proving defamation is a hard sell anyway - Proving it against the press is a piece of work. one has to prove pattern and intent beyond mere reporting (wherein the newscorp just shrugs it's shoulders and says they were merely reporting).
It's a big deal to go up against big daddy media with their many lawyers with an intent to not only survive, but win.
I'm talking about the yearbook "evidence" and the restaurant "evidence". She claims he signed it at a specific restaurant where she says he attacked her, he says he didn't sign it and that he's never been to that restaurant. First, it can likely be determined if the claimed writing is in fact his. It can be determined if she worked there when she was 14 or 15 years old like she claims. And there are likely other witnesses to whether he "frequented" the place or not and/or if she worked there. Those are hard evidence claims, not she said/he said claims. The truth can be determined.
And there's zip reason not to force that determination ASAP if you know you didn't do any of those things.
So there are no legitimate reasons for not having filed yet?
Don't believe Roy Moore's accusers? Then listen to MooreSo, these articles are coming out from both sides trying to prop up their sides. One can judge for themselves.
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/you_dont_have_to_believe_the_w.html#incart_maj-story-1
His statement that one of these ladies was involved in a divorce that he presided over. The decision didn't go her way.
I thought that was an interesting twist.
Not nearly as hard if you event stories that can be clearly proven to be a lie. She's made claims about the signing of her yearbook and the location that it took place and that she worked there at the time. Expose one lie and the house cards falls.
That has already occurred, and is linked somewhere hereabouts. More than one (though one named) employees of the diner in question tore huge holes in her story - to include that Moore in fact did not frequent the joint.
But all that will not catch the media, who 'merely' did their duty 'reporting'.
That has already occurred, and is linked somewhere hereabouts. More than one (though one named) employees of the diner in question tore huge holes in her story - to include that Moore in fact did not frequent the joint.
But all that will not catch the media, who 'merely' did their duty 'reporting'.
Yes, and his taking her to court promptly will force the media to take notice. So why isn't he?
To my knowledge, his suit is toward the Dems/MSM - Disproving the story works against that end - And it is still but a week into discovery and rebuttal - Election aside (which is provided for by the rebuttal in the press, I would move very slowly and make certaain every single thing is nailed down for the suit. I have only been involved in one of major significance, and that one took 8 months before we filed anything other than papers making certain the other side's evidence was neutrally cared for (much as in this case)
If you know you never signed the yearbook in question and that you've never been to the restaurant in question, which is basically what he's claiming then can you name a legitimate reason not to sue her with extreme prejudice ASAP? If she's lying she should be crushed by the court. This isn't open to interpretation, she's made very specific claims and either they are true or they are not. Claims that can be proven false if they are false.In civil suits the standard is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but a preponderance of evidence. If a jury (always a crapshoot) decided the impassioned accounts of those who claim to be wronged outweigh the denials of a man, the decision can go the other way.
In civil suits the standard is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but a preponderance of evidence. If a jury (always a crapshoot) decided the impassioned accounts of those who claim to be wronged outweigh the denials of a man, the decision can go the other way.
Just look at the people here who are more than willing to throw this man out the door on the basis of WaPo and other liberal outlets' hyperbole, and you get the picture of what a court case could become. It is little different than the court of public opinion without the ability to conclusively prove ones self innocent of alleged wrongdoings four decades ago. Proving a negative is difficult with recent events, but with events of four decades ago? Hard to do.
It isn't proving a negative. Either she worked there when she was 14/15 or she didn't. There should be records/witnesses that can confirm or deny that. A woman who did work there at the time said that no one less than 16 worked there and she never saw Moore there. Either Moore signed the yearbook or he didn't. Experts should be able to prove that with some certainty. Like I've said repeatedly, this is beyond she said/he said. Parts can be confirmed or exposed as a lie. It only takes one of her claims to be proven a lie and it all falls apart.Even if it could be shown that she did work there and that he signed the yearbook (despite questions I have about that), that still does not prove that he did any more than visit the restaurant and sign the yearbook.
Even if it could be shown that she did work there and that he signed the yearbook (despite questions I have about that), that still does not prove that he did any more than visit the restaurant and sign the yearbook.
Yes, disproving the employment (especially) or the signature tend to indicate the rest of her story is bunk, but even the absolute refutation of those aspects does not address the base allegation. It becomes she said/he said, and despite her credibility being severely damaged at that point, there are still those who will believe her (partly because they want to). In order to prevail in civil court, he has to prove innocence, that he did not do what has been claimed, or show she has a good reason to falsify her account, one which the jury would find more credible and compelling than her claims of wrongdoing.
She made specific claims. Moore made specific claims. One of them is lying. Some of those claims are provable as to being true or false. The one caught in the lie is done.
Yes. But she's made very specific claims with her yearbook as an example of more than "stranger on the street" contact. Like they knew each other and crossed paths frequently at a specific place she worked. Many of those details can be proven one way or the other in court. Did she actually work there when she was 14 or 15? Did Moore ever go to that restaurant? Is that actually Moore's signature? If Moore says its all lies he should go after her hard for making knowingly false serious claims against him. And many of the points can be determined with some accuracy on whether it is true or not.This isn’t a made for TV justice that can be solved in 15 minutes of one episode. So what’s your rush to judgement?
She made specific claims. Moore made specific claims. One of them is lying. Some of those claims are provable as to being true or false. The one caught in the lie is done.In my opinion it’s probably best for Moore to let the drums die down and focus on the election first, then worry about the lawsuits. With all of the allegations now popping up about Democrats now, the heat is off him.
Those who are standing behind the ‘its not illegal’ line should ask themselves a couple questions. What would your reaction be if a man twice their age asked to date your teenage daughter? Would you vote for that man 30 years later?
Those are drastically different lines. The criteria for one has almost nothing to do with the others. It seems a strange thought to think they should be the same.
Except for the fact you need to reconcile 1 and 2 in the case of Moore.
Except for the fact you need to reconcile 1 and 2 in the case of Moore.
No, the criteria for those lines are still drastically different for me. Are they the same for you?
I have utterly no problem at all voting for a man who chased teenagers 40 years ago but by all accounts has remained a faithful husband ever since being married a quarter century ago. None.
@skeeter
So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal. A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem. Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.
To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.
@skeeter
So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal. A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem. Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.
To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.
I have utterly no problem at all voting for a man who chased teenagers 40 years ago but by all accounts has remained a faithful husband ever since being married a quarter century ago. None.
Thirty years ago, I wouldn’t chase 16 and 17 year olds - and I was 19, not in my 30s. You sure as hell wouldn’t have seen me at school recitals.
So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal. A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem. Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.
To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.
@CatherineofAragon
BTW: I personally doubt that you have ever voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life!
@skeeter
So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal. A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem. Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.
To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.
I am inclined to agree.
I do not believe the Moore accusers, but even if I did, I'd still vote for him. We need
every vote we can get in the Senate.
@thackney
Seriously? Why wouldn’t they be?
Remember back in those quaint days of yore, when conservatives insisted that politicians needed to have strong moral character? Now it’s “Yeah, I might not trust him near my daughter but I think he’d be fine in a position of leadership.”
That can’t end well. Anyone who thinks it can is desperately delusional.
Or, heaven forbid, you can review the other people that were options and make an adult decision about what you want as a representative.
Love how people who want to bring down the swamp system stay within its paradigms and get trapped in its reasoning.
@skeeterI call BS.
So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal. A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem. Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.
To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.
Quote from: edpc on November 21, 2017, 03:39:44 PM
Those who are standing behind the ‘its not illegal’ line should ask themselves a couple questions. What would your reaction be if a man twice their age asked to date your teenage daughter? Would you vote for that man 30 years later?
I swear I've read this exact thing, or something very similar to it, at least 50 times now. You'll pardon me if I don't respond to it....again.
Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.
They could file a lawsuit in a day. He's a lawyer and he's at home among lawyers. If they really believed it was entirely fake evidence they'd be pounding it in the courts seeking heavy damages and in the media. This isn't a he said/she said. There's a claim of evidence on one side and that it is fake evidence on the other. That can be analyzed and a determination of truth made. A real lawsuit has a way of causing reality to set in for those pushing a lie when faced with big fines/prison.
The only reason not to file a lawsuit is because there's truth mixed in there somewhere. Otherwise he'd be on a righteous crusade against Nelson to get justice - as would anyone.
Non sequitur. The facts are as they are. You will either get a real swamp creature if Moore doesn't win, or you will get someone who is opposed to the swamp, and to whom the swamp is greatly opposed.
Not nearly as hard if you invent stories that can be clearly proven to be a lie. She's made claims about the signing of her yearbook and the location that it took place and that she worked there at the time. Expose one lie and the house cards falls.
That is highly disturbing.
In everyday speech, a non sequitur is a statement in which the final part is totally unrelated to the first part.
I find it disturbing when people counsel throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
In the moral triage of the occasion, we do not let lesser moral concerns override greater moral concerns. That is foolish.
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on. There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on. There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on. There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on. There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.
@CatherineofAragon
Except that you have no proof that any of that actually occurred! NONE! All you have is rumor, innuendo, and media lies!
BTW: I personally doubt that you have ever voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life!
But does he own Bruno Magli shoes?
Now that his two biggest accusers, Leigh Corfman and Beverly Young have had their stories completely contradicted, I'd say the issue is pretty much dead.
All there is now is never-Trumpers who wanted to hang their hats on getting Moore - who Trump didn't even endorse - and taking him down. They are just desperately clinging on the words of Gloria Allred and that criminal WaPo hit reporter, playing the dutiful sychophant to scumbag liberals.
@Bigun
You're an !EMOTIONAL! !SCREAMY! !LITTLE! !DEVIL! Aren't you!!!!
Here's an early Christmas present for you @Cripplecreek Simply print and frame for your mantle.
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@Bigun
You're an !EMOTIONAL! !SCREAMY! !LITTLE! !DEVIL! Aren't you!!!!
And rumor and innuendo are sufficient to establish guilt for you as well!
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on. There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.
But Roy swings a bible around so it is all alright.
@DiogenesLamp
No, I left out the moral relativism and fact there’s already someone in the seat that can be a write-in, because that’s obvious.
But, I guess you told me...... *****rollingeyes*****
If you would demonstrate where he has been proved guilty of that, I would be glad to join your chorus.
Here we go again. Your choices are two. Baby murdering Democrat swamp creature, or a guy accused of touching and more forceful sexual impropriety 38 years ago.
Which one do you choose?
Mostly quotes from Dude-eronomy.
Verily, I say to you that nubile babe doth be a smoke show.
@Bigun
You're an !EMOTIONAL! !SCREAMY! !LITTLE! !DEVIL! Aren't you!!!!
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There is more than one of those around here. Site seems to attract them in the manner of bugs swarming around a porch light.
All sorts of virtue signaling little crybabies who demand that this cup just pass before them.
My standards for my family are a lot higher than I would expect from any politician. Or any employee, or any many other choices of people I can accept in their role. That role is far more limited than my family is to me.
@CatherineofAragon
Yeah! From your perspective, I suppose I am!
And I note that you failed to deny that you have never voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life which is very telling.
@Free Vulcan
Lol!
Of course, it's aaaaaalllll a big fat zero.
Going to be interesting when Moore sponsors Take Your Daughter To Work Day in the Senate!
@CatherineofAragon
Yeah! From your perspective, I suppose I am!
And I note that you failed to deny that you have never voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life which is very telling.
And they have witty comebacks and memes, because that makes it all real! Works for college sophomores posting on Facebook, so why not the real world?
You get two choices. You don't get a third choice.
Court Documents Raise Significant Questions About Leigh Corfman’s Accusations Against Roy Moore"A thorough search of court documents finds one court case in February 1979—a case that took place on February 21, 1979. The Post failed to tell readers that at that February 21, 1979, court case Wells voluntarily gave up custody of Corfman to Corfman’s father, Robert R. Corfman. The two had been divorced since 1974. The custody case was amicable and involved a joint petition by both parents.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/21/court-documents-raise-significant-questions-leigh-corfmans-accusations-roy-moore/
Slept through 2016, did ya?
There is more than one of those around here. Site seems to attract them in the manner of bugs swarming around a porch light.
All sorts of virtue signaling little crybabies who demand that this cup just pass before them.
Yes, the never-Trumpers have their narrative. The king has no clothes, but their minds are made up anyway. And they have witty comebacks and memes, because that makes it all real! Works for college sophomores posting on Facebook, so why not the real world?
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This is another issue where the two sides are talking past each other. Too much emotion invested for rational discussion - a waste of time.
To being emotionally invested in this I plead guilty! And on several fronts I might add! Not just one!
You may find the discussion irritating (as do I) but I believe your POV is rationally based.
Its the other side that is constantly appealing to emotion to make their point.
You may find the discussion irritating (as do I) but I believe your POV is rationally based.
Its the other side that is constantly appealing to emotion to make their point.
@skeeter
lol
Try making your argument against Moore using facts and not implications of being tolerant of child molestors.
@DiogenesLamp
Only if you accept the fallacy that you have to sell your soul and vote for either of them. You have another choice---abstain and trust the God you give lip service to, unless you think He absolutely can't manage it without your help.
And here we go again with a change to what was really said in my conversation. Go. Read. Think. Get back to me with your apology.
@Free VulcanWould you rather he date white trash? Your vendetta against this guy, resorting to parroting left-wing rags like TPM, is getting ridiculous.
Evidently a pastor who knows Moore has a narrative, too. Moore dated young girls for their "purity."
I guess we dismiss this, too, right?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,292197.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,292197.0.html)
@Free Vulcan
Evidently a pastor who knows Moore has a narrative, too. Moore dated young girls for their "purity."
God says, “What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!”
Try making your argument against Moore using facts and not implications of being tolerant of child molestors.
I'm not sure they can. It's all winky, noddy, insinuation and innuendo games based on feelings and feral vibes and perceptions.
Besides, it's a great vehicle to try and screw Trump, and the agenda is what is important here.
Would you rather he date white trash? Your vendetta against this guy, resorting to parroting left-wing rags like TPM, is getting ridiculous.
@skeeter
You mean like the past week or more?
Dude, at this point Moore could admit to everything and some of you would say he was forced into it, coerced by the Deep State, etc.
@Free Vulcan
I gave you facts on that other thread but all you could do was emote and make up crap.
@thackney
Uh-huh, lol.
Humor me and lets have a link to your fact-based case. I haven't cruised every Moore thread posted here over the past month. Its a physical impossibility.
God says, “What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!”
@skeeter@CatherineofAragon Today? No, it would not be considered normal today. Neither would be: not having an e-mail, or not having a cell phone, or a car with no seat belts or air bags, driving on bias ply tires, or going without some version of cable/satellite/streaming television, or not having internet access, or enough knowledge of a computer to write a letter on it and print it out, or a heck of a lot of other things.
So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal. A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem. Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.
To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.
It would most likely be insincere. Are you sure you want it?
:)
@CatherineofAragon Today? No, it would not be considered normal today. Neither would be: not having an e-mail, or not having a cell phone, or a car with no seat belts or air bags, driving on bias ply tires, or going without some version of cable/satellite/streaming television, or not having internet access, or enough knowledge of a computer to write a letter on it and print it out, or a heck of a lot of other things.
But all of that was science fiction in 1977. Every damned bit of it. The hand calculator had just reached affordability for the average college student, and the programmable calculator was still a wet dream item for the guys who still used their slide rules. Computers were mainframes for Big banks, insurance companies, and Government, and were fed information with punch cards, magnetic tape, or punched paper tape.
But after graduating West Point, two tours in the US Army, and law school, in 1977 there were not many single and suitable thirty somethings in the marketplace, so to speak. The expression "The good ones are all taken" applied, at least by 32. How many single (not divorced) eligible women were there in his age group? How would he meet any of them (remember this is a guy who didn't drink, so 'clubbing' is out, not to mention a 'dry' county).
Well, as a male who was still single in his late twenties, you go where the women are. He went to community events (like football games), he went to the shopping mall, church socials, he spoke with single ladies, he even (EGADS!) asked them out in their place of employment--because that is where he met them. They were free to say "No.", just as they are today--that hasn't changed.
Judging from the ambiguous replies a man could (and still can) get from a woman who has piqued his interest when he asks for a date, asking two or three times before the guy finally figures out she genuinely is not interested is not so unusual.
I have been over the demographics that would compel a man of 30 to look at prospects in their late teens.
Let's step into his age group and back in time....
Many states had drinking laws which permitted beer and wine consumption at 18, and eighteen year-olds could vote. The idea was that if you were old enough to hump a ruck and carry a rifle in a far off rice paddy or jungle, or drive a tank, or fly a helicopter, you could have a beer when you got home. Because of that awareness, though, of life and death having recently been poured into your living room with the evening news, and with the confrontation of the very real prospects not so long ago of your number coming up in the draft lottery, with all that implied for people in that age group, I think we were looking at a more mature group of teenagers. Even after the lottery stopped, seeing older siblings sweat the draft or decide whether to enlist or waiting for them to come home still stuck with their younger kin. It was, for many, a more sober time.
I know the work we did, just in our summer jobs was a 'man's work', not limited by all the protectionist laws of today that restrict who can run a deep fryer. Many of us, too young to be in the service, were instead involved in Volunteer Fire Departments and Rescue Squads, not as 'junior members', but as firefighters and EMS. There were 96 students in my High School graduating class and members of five different fire departments in the class, for instance.
We had worked to stabilize and extricate quite a few accident victims by our 18th birthday, some of whom were friends. Some, through no fault of ours just did not make it despite the new SOP of stabilizing the worst traumas and flying them out by helicopter from the scene to ShockTrauma at Johns Hopkins. Four miles of one highway in our first-due area killed an average of twenty people every six months. Every High School yearbook had its memorial pages for those who died in car accidents or got wrapped up in a piece of farm machinery or who had to be fished out after a boating accident. Life was dangerous and we knew it, and we didn't run around shooting at each other or do hard drugs.
By 1977, all the Mary Janes had sent their Dear Johns out years ago and hooked up with some 4F or feather merchant or college deferment (hippie?) while 'that guy' was off wherever the Army sent him. Some even waited for their guy to come home, and some of them couldn't deal with how service had changed him, often with his inability to find things they thought to be earth shaking as irrelevant or ridiculously superficial. A small percentage of them got married and raised families according to the original plan.
Some of the guys who had gone overseas courtesy of Uncle Sam were back home going to college on the GI Bill, and (gadzooks!) dating young ladies in their teens (17-18-19 year-olds being in college). Not a few were only in their mid twenties, but they hadn't gone to West Point, either. There were grad students in college dating underclassmen as well. Tut-tut! :nono: Robbing the cradle! What's the difference between a Law Student and a Lawyer? A few tests and final grades; a sheepskin and a paycheck.
Those who tried to wait, tried to get back together, and could not make things work found someone else, but usually years before a guy going into law school graduated. After all, Moore had West Point (4 years), two tours in the Army (six more), Law School (three more years) before he was back in the community.
Some had married and were raising their families, and not available--at least to any man who respects the sanctity of marriage. Divorcees (and there were likely a few around) had the basic social stigma of divorce around them (there still was that, then), but also often had 'issues' and deep resentments left over from a failed marriage, regardless of the cause of the failure. Between the Pill, 'free love', no-fault divorce, and the ERA, the environment for a man seeking to start a family got fairly toxic in that time period. A radio overflowing with cheating heart songs and 'love the one you're with' rock and roll didn't help, either.
Why the great insistence he prospect for a mate in the minefield of his age group instead of look into the (legal) young ladies in his community? This was a different America, not today.
@Smokin Joe
I know that's the line his pastor friend is using, but a thirty year old trolling for young girls in places they hang out was no more normal then than it is now.
You must have father daughter issues haunting you.
I am no fan of Mr Moore since he is member of the fascist party. But you do seem to have a serious issue with him. You must have father daughter issues haunting you.
@WineNot
I have a real serious issue with perverts who molest children. Maybe you should self-reflect a little and ask yourself why you’re so eager to make excuses for one.
Not many posters are openly condemning Moore and I plan to keep it up. I really don’t care who finds it obnoxious.
FTR, my father was a military veteran who would have put you on the floor for that remark and sent you crying to your mama. I’m pretty sure he was several times the man you are.
But personally it’s interesting to see how low conservatives will go to defend Moore. Keep going.
@WineNotLet me try to spell this out for you. At 17 I was a Second Lieutenant in a Volunteer Fire Dept., had EMT-A, Red Cross Standard and Advanced First Aid, was CPR certified, and was trained in Basic and Intermediate Firemanship, Structural Firefighting, use of breathing apparatus, and Flammable Gases and Liquids Firefighting through the University of Maryland Fire extension service. I was a member of the Parish Council in my church, and a lector. Later that year, I went to College, where I turned 18.
I have a real serious issue with perverts who molest children. Maybe you should self-reflect a little and ask yourself why you’re so eager to make excuses for one.
Not many posters are openly condemning Moore and I plan to keep it up. I really don’t care who finds it obnoxious.
FTR, my father was a military veteran who would have put you on the floor for that remark and sent you crying to your mama. I’m pretty sure he was several times the man you are.
But personally it’s interesting to see how low conservatives will go to defend Moore. Keep going.
Let me try to spell this out for you. At 17 I was a Second Lieutenant in a Volunteer Fire Dept., had EMT-A, Red Cross Standard and Advanced First Aid, was CPR certified, and was trained in Basic and Intermediate Firemanship, Structural Firefighting, use of breathing apparatus, and Flammable Gases and Liquids Firefighting through the University of Maryland Fire extension service. I was a member of the Parish Council in my church, and a lector. Later that year, I went to College, where I turned 18.
In the days before mandatory Kindergarten, many of us started the first grade and did so when we were 5, so long as we would turn 6 before the end of that calendar year. I could have graduated High School early but chose not to because being a 16 year old in college would have had its complications, and frankly, I liked the High School I graduated from. I could actually learn at that one, and was encouraged to.
But in 1977, just a few years later, many of those I knew were much the same, had jobs, etc. It wasn't uncommon for a young lady to go from a May graduation to a June wedding. People were more mature, and 17 year-olds were not children, except in the sense of voting, drinking, or signing a contract, and weeks to months from that.
None of us approves of child molestation. There is exactly one person who has made such assertions of him having contact with her when she was a minor, and her story is full of holes big enough to drive a bus through. All other claimants were of legal age.
Three of those have said nothing untoward happened (as in nothing sexual), but they are being thrown in as if they had been forced to have conjugal relations.
One said he 'repeatedly asked her for dates'. Oh, the horror!
What did she say? Did she finally reply with a solid "no" or was it all "Sorry, I have plans." (Guys are notoriously bad for 'getting' girltalk codespeak--just spell it out and we'll move on.)
What I find distressing is the (predominantly) feminine rush to judgement and howling for heads on pikes when the facts are fuzzy at best, and possibly completely contrived. I must note that those complaining the loudest have shown support for the Democrat, too, not just a different Republican.
In the end, the people of Alabama will decide whether they find the allegations credible, if they believe that a man who would lose his job to keep the Ten Commandments posted, who would again lose his job to stand up for the Amendment (passed by 81% of Alabama voters) to the Constitution of the State of Alabama defining marriage as between one man and one woman, and has not been alleged to have been unfaithful to his wife since they were wed, was the sort of person who would be out imposing himself on an underage girl 40 years ago.
Not me, I am in total agreement with you. He is a pervert. I don't find it interesting though I find it disgusting that Conservatives and Christians will go so low.
@Chosen Daughter
In my opinion, it started when conservatives embraced Trump. I didn’t think it would get better but it’s headed downhill a lot faster than I expected.