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Title: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: rangerrebew on November 17, 2017, 11:45:35 am

Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
By Onan Coca November 16, 2017
 

I don’t know if Judge Roy Moore (R-AL) is guilty or innocent of the crimes he’s been accused of. If guilty he deserves every sling and arrow he’s faced thus far, and many more to come.

However, if he’s innocent, he deserves to be heard and his accusers should face repercussions for maligning his good name and for attempting to destroy the democratic process in Alabama.

https://constitution.com/roy-moore-accusers-stories-getting-shaky-moore-team-planning-lawsuit/
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Applewood on November 17, 2017, 12:10:49 pm
Getting shaky?  Every story is shaky, if for no better reason than the timing. 

I'm glad Moore is being proactive.  Too bad his own party isn't.   They're all too busy throwing Moore under the bus.  And that makes them suspect too.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: libertybele on November 17, 2017, 12:48:40 pm
Getting shaky?  Every story is shaky, if for no better reason than the timing. 

I'm glad Moore is being proactive.  Too bad his own party isn't.   They're all too busy throwing Moore under the bus.  And that makes them suspect too.

Agreed.  In listening to Levine yesterday and listening to a couple of victim's stories, it seems that sexual misconduct and sexual abuse towards women on Capitol Hill is (and using his words) pervasive. 

That is what came to my mind as well; those that have quickly thrown Moore under the bus to me are suspect.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on November 17, 2017, 12:59:02 pm
Agreed.  In listening to Levine yesterday and listening to a couple of victim's stories, it seems that sexual misconduct and sexual abuse towards women on Capitol Hill is (and using his words) pervasive. 

That is what came to my mind as well; those that have quickly thrown Moore under the bus to me are suspect.


Q: Why are Democrats so quick to accuse their opponents of all manner of 'It Won't Play In Cleveland' conduct?

A: Because it's what they know best from their own personal experience in it.


The Republicans are just being Republicans, quaking in terror of the NYT calling them nasty names.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 17, 2017, 01:09:43 pm
Very nice to see the 'mall ban' refuted.

And also nice to see someone in the press saying Allred's refusal to turn over the document without a Senate hearing is a big mistake.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 17, 2017, 01:47:30 pm
Very nice to see the 'mall ban' refuted.

And also nice to see someone in the press saying Allred's refusal to turn over the document without a Senate hearing is a big mistake.
Note that the video is no longer up (but the image and title are still in the sidebar). http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned (http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 17, 2017, 01:48:43 pm
Note that the video is no longer up (but the image and title are still in the sidebar). http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned (http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned)

The vid is there for me...
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 17, 2017, 02:11:58 pm
Very nice to see the 'mall ban' refuted.

And also nice to see someone in the press saying Allred's refusal to turn over the document without a Senate hearing is a big mistake.
Her attempt at going to the Senate instead of the Courts shows in itself a political motivation.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 17, 2017, 02:28:13 pm

Q: Why are Democrats so quick to accuse their opponents of all manner of 'It Won't Play In Cleveland' conduct?

A: Because it's what they know best from their own personal experience in it.


The Republicans are just being Republicans, quaking in terror of the NYT calling them nasty names.


It's not just the New York times,   it's the entire media monster.    All of the networks are part of a massive media weapon designed to keep the Washington  money spigot flowing.   

These media organizations are owned and controlled by people who's best interests lie in keeping the Washington spending party borrowing and spending.   


The media have the power to manipulate elections,  and that is precisely why they do what they do.   It's about power.   It's about continuing the power in the hands of those people who have it now,  most of whom live in the North Eastern corner of the nation.   


The media is a tool to keep that power,  and they use it against anyone who threatens that power.


Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 17, 2017, 03:05:07 pm
Her attempt at going to the Senate instead of the Courts shows in itself a political motivation.

BINGO!!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 17, 2017, 03:07:20 pm
I hope Roy Moore wins and takes the likes of Gloria Allred into oblivion!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: endicom on November 17, 2017, 03:56:19 pm

I'm glad Moore is being proactive.


To date he's been circumspect and that has hurt him.

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 17, 2017, 04:56:04 pm

It's not just the New York times,   it's the entire media monster.    All of the networks are part of a massive media weapon designed to keep the Washington  money spigot flowing.   

These media organizations are owned and controlled by people who's best interests lie in keeping the Washington spending party borrowing and spending.   


The media have the power to manipulate elections,  and that is precisely why they do what they do.   It's about power.   It's about continuing the power in the hands of those people who have it now,  most of whom live in the North Eastern corner of the nation.   


The media is a tool to keep that power,  and they use it against anyone who threatens that power.
May have to start calling them the Russian-American Media collaborators.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 17, 2017, 04:58:20 pm
Getting shaky?  Every story is shaky, if for no better reason than the timing. 

I'm glad Moore is being proactive.  Too bad his own party isn't.   They're all too busy throwing Moore under the bus.  And that makes them suspect too.

As the stories get more and more shaky the press will shift coverage from the charges themselves to the polls.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 17, 2017, 05:01:25 pm
As the stories get more and more shaky the press will shift coverage from the charges themselves to the fake polls.

Fixed it for you!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 17, 2017, 05:03:24 pm
Fixed it for you!

Yep. Goes without saying.

Lol. Listening to one right now.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 17, 2017, 07:28:28 pm
Very nice to see the 'mall ban' refuted.

And also nice to see someone in the press saying Allred's refusal to turn over the document without a Senate hearing is a big mistake.

@roamer_1

It hasn't been refuted, though.  The guy said Moore hadn't been banned "to his knowledge", which would be pretty lacking since Moore was cruising the mall for teens in the late 70s.  This guy started his job at the mall in the 80s.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 17, 2017, 07:39:39 pm
@roamer_1

It hasn't been refuted, though.  The guy said Moore hadn't been banned "to his knowledge", which would be pretty lacking since Moore was cruising the mall for teens in the late 70s.  This guy started his job at the mall in the 80s.

@CatherineofAragon

Banned is banned. Official protocol... A Banned List would be in his direct control for his direct supervision. Do you really think he would not have noted the name?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 17, 2017, 08:28:24 pm
The vid is there for me...
I get "Error: No valid source could be found", but I'm running Win XP, Firefox, and maybe that has something to do with it. HTML5 and twitter videos will not play on this box.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 17, 2017, 08:44:45 pm
I get "Error: No valid source could be found", but I'm running Win XP, Firefox, and maybe that has something to do with it. HTML5 and twitter videos will not play on this box.
Win XP?  Aren't you ancient?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 17, 2017, 08:53:31 pm
@CatherineofAragon

Banned is banned. Official protocol... A Banned List would be in his direct control for his direct supervision. Do you really think he would not have noted the name?

@roamer_1

I don't think the name is on any list. It doesn't make sense that it would be.  Think about it.  The assistant DA gets banned for cruising for teenagers.  Do you really think all parties involved didn't just agree to keep it quiet as long as there was no more trouble?  If his name was on a list, someone would have found it before now.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 17, 2017, 09:07:06 pm
I don't think the name is on any list.

Oh I disagree. His kiss is on your list.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsHld-iArOc
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 17, 2017, 09:16:55 pm
Oh I disagree. His kiss is on your list.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsHld-iArOc

@Frank Cannon

Dude, if Moore was all I could get, I'd get to a nunnery.  Give me credit for some taste, would you?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 17, 2017, 09:20:57 pm
@Frank Cannon

Dude, if Moore was all I could get, I'd get to a nunnery.  Give me credit for some taste, would you?

I wouldn't do that if I were you. Roy likes religion a whole lot. Don't think a habit is going to turn him off.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 17, 2017, 09:27:16 pm
I wouldn't do that if I were you. Roy likes religion a whole lot. Don't think a habit is going to turn him off.

@Frank Cannon

Lol

I'll pick this up later...I have to go to a dinner with the inlaws and that entire bunch.  Who in the hell ever heard of eating dinner at five p.m...
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 17, 2017, 09:30:53 pm
@Frank Cannon
Who in the hell ever heard of eating dinner at five p.m...

Seats fill fast for the early bird special at Denny's.

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/1a/1a975669c4a6d73f6e982d820fa634bfe462ac6f7b9b8e68cfc7c9f2efa2e099.jpg)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 17, 2017, 09:43:22 pm
@roamer_1

I don't think the name is on any list. It doesn't make sense that it would be.  Think about it.  The assistant DA gets banned for cruising for teenagers.  Do you really think all parties involved didn't just agree to keep it quiet as long as there was no more trouble?  If his name was on a list, someone would have found it before now.

@CatherineofAragon

I have been a bouncer a fair bit, both at bars and as security for events... Somewhere, either behind the bar or in the back room, there is a banned list with photos of the folks. Events will have a printed sheet of folks that are not to be on the property. There is always a list.
@Smokin Joe
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Applewood on November 17, 2017, 09:58:47 pm
@Frank Cannon

Lol

I'll pick this up later...I have to go to a dinner with the inlaws and that entire bunch.  Who in the hell ever heard of eating dinner at five p.m...

My Dad got home from work between 4 and 4:30.  That's when we ate dinner.   
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 17, 2017, 10:06:19 pm
Win XP?  Aren't you ancient?
My Win 95 won't load web pages.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 17, 2017, 10:09:00 pm
@CatherineofAragon

I have been a bouncer a fair bit, both at bars and as security for events... Somewhere, either behind the bar or in the back room, there is a banned list with photos of the folks. Events will have a printed sheet of folks that are not to be on the property. There is always a list.
@Smokin Joe
Yep. Every joint that has an '86 list has a list. That way the banned don't slip in on the late shift (or with the morning crowd--we had two distinct groups, although they got along well at 'shift change').
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 17, 2017, 10:10:00 pm
My Dad got home from work between 4 and 4:30.  That's when we ate dinner.

And everyone was to bed by 6PM. Sounds delightful except in the summer when you had to paint all the windows black to sleep.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 17, 2017, 10:11:33 pm
What a joke.  You people are high if you believe he’s actually going to follow through on this lawsuit.  He’ll have to go on record - something he’s refused to do - about his dating habits at the time.  Only one of two things can occur:  an admission of being a creeper or perjury.

Either way, it’d be documented and used against him when the seat is up for re-election in 2020.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 17, 2017, 10:14:10 pm
My Dad got home from work between 4 and 4:30.  That's when we ate dinner.

Supper here is after dark, which might be 4:30 or it might be 10:30.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 17, 2017, 10:19:30 pm
Supper here is after dark, which might be 4:30 or it might be 10:30.
Yep. It all depends on the time of year.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Applewood on November 17, 2017, 10:22:38 pm
And everyone was to bed by 6PM. Sounds delightful except in the summer when you had to paint all the windows black to sleep.

I think it was Dad's mother who was in bed by sunset.  On wash day, she started the laundry at 5 am.  Of course, he did laundry for 8 people -- her, Grandpap and 6 kids -- and she didn't have an automatic washer and dryer. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: jmyrlefuller on November 17, 2017, 10:40:09 pm
What a joke.  You people are high if you believe he’s actually going to follow through on this lawsuit.
Indeed, and that's why predatory accusers like to drop their bombshells during campaigns, because they know the candidates can't devote full-time work to preparing and winning a lawsuit without diverting attention from their campaign and lowering their own odds of winning.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 17, 2017, 10:44:06 pm
Indeed, and that's why predatory accusers like to drop their bombshells during campaigns, because they know the candidates can't devote full-time work to preparing and winning a lawsuit without diverting attention from their campaign and lowering their own odds of winning.

Or at all.  Remember this from Trump....

"Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign."

"Total fabrication. The events never happened. Never. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over."
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Applewood on November 17, 2017, 10:52:53 pm
Indeed, and that's why predatory accusers like to drop their bombshells during campaigns, because they know the candidates can't devote full-time work to preparing and winning a lawsuit without diverting attention from their campaign and lowering their own odds of winning.

I don't think Moore's accusers, their attorneys and whoever is really behind all this nonsense expected Moore to fight back.  They probably thought he would just drop out as Herman Cain did.  The lawsuit might just be a threat.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: mountaineer on November 17, 2017, 10:54:17 pm
Forgive me for being practical,  but this is one of the cases where it doesn't matter how big a liar she is - legally speaking.  Even if the falsely accused sues, how can he establish she lied? That's why I think we all should be a little less gleeful when someone we don't like is accused of sexual assault,  as we might be the next ones accused - and how will we defend ourselves?

Yes, I am an attorney (retired).
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 17, 2017, 10:54:40 pm
Indeed, and that's why predatory accusers like to drop their bombshells during campaigns, because they know the candidates can't devote full-time work to preparing and winning a lawsuit without diverting attention from their campaign and lowering their own odds of winning.

I wonder what those who believe those charging Moore are credible believe are the reasons they waited until before a key election, but after it was too late to force him off the ballot, before making them.

Coincidence probably. Surely they are 100% sincere in their quest for justice.

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 17, 2017, 10:57:46 pm
Does anyone really give a shit about Roy Moore anymore or do people just like bitching about stuff?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 17, 2017, 10:59:52 pm
Does anyone really give a shit about Roy Moore anymore or do people just like bitching about stuff?

I do!  Quite a lot in fact.   Not him so much as the principles involved!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 17, 2017, 11:03:16 pm
I do!  Quite a lot in fact.   Not him so much as the principles involved!

Well the die is cast. What more is there to argue about?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 17, 2017, 11:07:36 pm
Not him so much as the principles involved!

Given the matter at hand, you would also be correct had you typed ‘principals’ instead.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Applewood on November 17, 2017, 11:21:35 pm
I do!  Quite a lot in fact.   Not him so much as the principles involved!

 :thumbsup:

This should matter to everyone.  Moore is getting the shaft...and by extension, so are the voters in Alabama and for that matter, all of us. 

'But I am finding I'm repeating myself in multiple threads. Time for me to just shaddup for a while.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 17, 2017, 11:34:54 pm
:thumbsup:

This should matter to everyone.  Moore is getting the shaft...and by extension, so are the voters in Alabama and for that matter, all of us. 

'But I am finding I'm repeating myself in multiple threads. Time for me to just shaddup for a while.
It needs to be said, and it bears repeating.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 17, 2017, 11:36:44 pm
It needs to be said, and it bears repeating.

On as many threads as necessary!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 17, 2017, 11:42:52 pm

This should matter to everyone.  Moore is getting the shaft...and by extension, so are the voters in Alabama and for that matter, all of us. 


ABSOLUTELY!
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: mountaineer on November 17, 2017, 11:53:23 pm
Any one of us who boldly asserts our conservative beliefs could be falsely accused. You want to run for school board? Town council?
Watch out - someone could arise from the gutter to say you sexually assaulted her (or him).
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on November 18, 2017, 03:41:15 am
Any one of us who boldly asserts our conservative beliefs could be falsely accused. You want to run for school board? Town council?
Watch out - someone could arise from the gutter to say you sexually assaulted her (or him).


Ain't that a God Awful sized bucket of the plain, unvarnished truth.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Hoodat on November 18, 2017, 04:46:35 am

Q: Why are Democrats so quick to accuse their opponents of all manner of 'It Won't Play In Cleveland' conduct?

A: Because it's what they know best from their own personal experience in it.


As a general rule, any time Democrats accuse you of doing something bad, it is because they are already doing it themselves.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Hoodat on November 18, 2017, 04:48:20 am
My Win 95 won't load web pages.

I've been thinking about upgrading from 3.1.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Hoodat on November 18, 2017, 04:59:33 am
Gloria Allred gets grilled over accuser’s yearbook, and gives a very odd response

Carlos Garcia  |  Nov 16, 2017 8:15 am


CNN host Don Lemon grilled famed lawyer Gloria Allred, who is representing one of the accusers of Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, on issues surrounding the evidence her client had presented. Some found her answers to be evasive and unsatisfactory.

Here’s a transcript of what was said:

“Did Judge Moore preside over her divorce?” Lemon asked. “Was this just filing of papers? Clear this up for us. How much involvement did she have involvement with him? What’s going on here?”

He was referring to a case that Moore’s lawyer brought up during a news conference that would dispute a claim by Beverly Young Nelson.

“We will answer any and all questions about that issue and any issue that they would like to bring up at the hearing which should be held within two weeks,” Allred responded.  “If they do not have that hearing, then we’ll go to plan B and I will say at that time what plan B is. So I’m not gonna comment on that at this time. I will talk about the yearbook.”

“Can I ask you something?” Lemon asked, “When I hear your answers, because I heard you on CNN earlier, when I hear your answers, it seems like your answers are meant to compel him to speak on the record and under oath. Listen, I’m not a lawyer here. Are you trying to compel him to do that because you want to get him on the record and you want to be able to depose him? What’s your endgame here?”

“Well, of course, there is no legal process except the one I am proposing which is essentially a political process combined with a legal process,” Allred responded.

“So then why can’t you say if he presided over her divorce case, Gloria,” Lemon pressed.

“Well I’m saying we’re not going to put out bread crumbs of pieces of evidence,” Allred deflected. “We have evidence that we have not revealed to the press, and we’re not going to reveal it, bread crumb by bread crumb. We will be happy to answer all questions and provide all evidence at the hearing, if there is one. We think that’s the way to do it.”

“OK, so what about the signature?” Lemon asked. “Roy Moore’s attorney denies Moore ever wrote in Beverly’s yearbook. Can you say definitively that this is his signature?”

“I think what they wanted was a handwriting expert to examine it and we are willing if there is a hearing that is conducted by the Senate to allow an independent expert to examine the signature in the yearbook,” she continued. “In addition, of course, that handwriting expert would compare it to exemplars of Mr. Moore’s handwriting, signature, at the time that he signed the yearbook. So we are certainly open to that, assuming there’s going to be a hearing.”

“So you can’t say definitively that it’s his signature?” Lemon pressed again.

“I am saying that since they are now challenging that, we accept that challenge and we’re willing to have an independent expert,” Allred replied.  .  .  .

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/11/16/gloria-allred-gets-grilled-over-accusers-yearbook-and-gives-a-very-odd-response
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 18, 2017, 07:56:10 am
I've been thinking about upgrading from 3.1.
I liked 3.11. Just saying. Maybe the graphics weren't impressive, but the system was dangnear bulletproof, and could you imagine running it on one of today's machines? We did all that on a 500MB HDD (if that) with 32K of RAM.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 18, 2017, 11:58:52 am
Seats fill fast for the early bird special at Denny's.

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/1a/1a975669c4a6d73f6e982d820fa634bfe462ac6f7b9b8e68cfc7c9f2efa2e099.jpg)

@Frank Cannon

My in-laws are definitely upscale.  You would appreciate.

 Actually, the evening. turned out well.  The wine the server recommended to my sister-in-law and me was fantastic.  A couple of glasses each brought on uncontrollable giggling fits, to the point that my gorgeous, classy SIL—-who doesn’t curse—- yelled the F word loud enough for people to turn around and look. 

Definitely worth going, lol.

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 18, 2017, 04:27:35 pm
Gloria Allred gets grilled over accuser’s yearbook, and gives a very odd response

Carlos Garcia  |  Nov 16, 2017 8:15 am


CNN host Don Lemon grilled famed lawyer Gloria Allred, who is representing one of the accusers of Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, on issues surrounding the evidence her client had presented. Some found her answers to be evasive and unsatisfactory.

Here’s a transcript of what was said:

“Did Judge Moore preside over her divorce?” Lemon asked. “Was this just filing of papers? Clear this up for us. How much involvement did she have involvement with him? What’s going on here?”

He was referring to a case that Moore’s lawyer brought up during a news conference that would dispute a claim by Beverly Young Nelson.

“We will answer any and all questions about that issue and any issue that they would like to bring up at the hearing which should be held within two weeks,” Allred responded.  “If they do not have that hearing, then we’ll go to plan B and I will say at that time what plan B is. So I’m not gonna comment on that at this time. I will talk about the yearbook.”

“Can I ask you something?” Lemon asked, “When I hear your answers, because I heard you on CNN earlier, when I hear your answers, it seems like your answers are meant to compel him to speak on the record and under oath. Listen, I’m not a lawyer here. Are you trying to compel him to do that because you want to get him on the record and you want to be able to depose him? What’s your endgame here?”

“Well, of course, there is no legal process except the one I am proposing which is essentially a political process combined with a legal process,” Allred responded.

“So then why can’t you say if he presided over her divorce case, Gloria,” Lemon pressed.

“Well I’m saying we’re not going to put out bread crumbs of pieces of evidence,” Allred deflected. “We have evidence that we have not revealed to the press, and we’re not going to reveal it, bread crumb by bread crumb. We will be happy to answer all questions and provide all evidence at the hearing, if there is one. We think that’s the way to do it.”

“OK, so what about the signature?” Lemon asked. “Roy Moore’s attorney denies Moore ever wrote in Beverly’s yearbook. Can you say definitively that this is his signature?”

“I think what they wanted was a handwriting expert to examine it and we are willing if there is a hearing that is conducted by the Senate to allow an independent expert to examine the signature in the yearbook,” she continued. “In addition, of course, that handwriting expert would compare it to exemplars of Mr. Moore’s handwriting, signature, at the time that he signed the yearbook. So we are certainly open to that, assuming there’s going to be a hearing.”

“So you can’t say definitively that it’s his signature?” Lemon pressed again.

“I am saying that since they are now challenging that, we accept that challenge and we’re willing to have an independent expert,” Allred replied.  .  .  .

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/11/16/gloria-allred-gets-grilled-over-accusers-yearbook-and-gives-a-very-odd-response
She want nothing more than to slander him and impune his reputation in public prior to the election, then drop it like a hot tater afterwards.  I hope it backfires on this liberal wack job.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 18, 2017, 06:41:30 pm
@Frank Cannon

My in-laws are definitely upscale.  You would appreciate.

 Actually, the evening. turned out well.  The wine the server recommended to my sister-in-law and me was fantastic.  A couple of glasses each brought on uncontrollable giggling fits, to the point that my gorgeous, classy SIL—-who doesn’t curse—- yelled the F word loud enough for people to turn around and look. 

Definitely worth going, lol.

@CatherineofAragon

You sound like my sort of people.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: mountaineer on November 18, 2017, 06:52:36 pm
As a general rule, any time Democrats accuse you of doing something bad, it is because they are already doing it themselves.
And at least 10 times worse.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 21, 2017, 05:06:52 am
BOOM! Witness Drops Bomb! PROVES Gloria Allred and Accuser Nelson Were Lying – SAYS MEDIA WOULD NOT TALK With HER



(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/allred-crap-liar.jpg)


Quote
From the report:

1.) The Olde Hickory House required employees to be at least 16.  Beverly Nelson claims she was 15 when she started.

2.) The restaurants dumpsters were on the side of the building and not in back as Nelson claimed.

3.) A former employee says the restaurant NEVER closed at 11 PM as Nelson claimed and at midnight on most nights.

4.) Customers at the counter were served by the bartender or cook and not by any waitress.

5.) The witnesses claim they have shared this information with several news outlets but they have refused to report the truth!

More… Rhonda Ledbetter, who worked at the restaurant at the time, hesitated come forward but she said, “As a moral and ethical person,” she had to come forward.  Rhonda said she never remembered ANYONE come into the restaurant in a suit and that Roy Moore NEVER came into the restaurant.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/boom-witness-drops-bomb-proves-gloria-allred-accuser-nelson-lying-says-media-not-talk/
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 21, 2017, 05:20:47 am
BOOM! Witness Drops Bomb! PROVES Gloria Allred and Accuser Nelson Were Lying – SAYS MEDIA WOULD NOT TALK With HER



(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/allred-crap-liar.jpg)



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/boom-witness-drops-bomb-proves-gloria-allred-accuser-nelson-lying-says-media-not-talk/

Great find!  Not at all surprised by any of it!   888high58888
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 05:22:13 am
Fixed it for you!

Not to demean our brothers and sisters, but I saw a lot of judging on TBR which was disgusting.

The minute it came out, people here were leaping on it like hyenas.

The point is, they always hated Moore.  He's just a little too old time religion for some of the sophisticates here.  Or people who fancy themselves sophisticates.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 21, 2017, 05:25:51 am
BOOM! Witness Drops Bomb! PROVES Gloria Allred and Accuser Nelson Were Lying – SAYS MEDIA WOULD NOT TALK With HER



(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/allred-crap-liar.jpg)

Seems like it should be it's own thread.



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/boom-witness-drops-bomb-proves-gloria-allred-accuser-nelson-lying-says-media-not-talk/
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 21, 2017, 05:28:27 am
Not to demean our brothers and sisters, but I saw a lot of judging on TBR which was disgusting.

The minute it came out, people here were leaping on it like hyenas.

The point is, they always hated Moore.  He's just a little too old time religion for some of the sophisticates here.  Or people who fancy themselves sophisticates.

I have long recognized the fact that not everyone who comes here is what they claim to be.  It's the internet and anyone can say anything.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 21, 2017, 05:49:49 am
I have long recognized the fact that not everyone who comes here is what they claim to be.  It's the internet and anyone can say anything.

You've finally found out I'm really a woman?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 21, 2017, 06:02:01 am

Seems like it should be it's own thread.


Wouldn't that needlessly aggravate certain people?   :)   
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 06:08:54 am

Wouldn't that needlessly aggravate certain people?   :)

What's your point?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 21, 2017, 06:15:11 am
What's your point?


Aw.  I was hoping the humor would be apparent. 


Obviously I don't mind needlessly aggravating certain people,  and so my advocacy for restraint is intended to be amusing.   


It's not funny if you have to explain it.  :)   
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 06:18:06 am

Aw.  I was hoping the humor would be apparent. 


Obviously I don't mind needlessly aggravating certain people,  and so my advocacy for restraint is intended to be amusing.   


It's not funny if you have to explain it.  :)

Dittos.  I thought we all came here to needlessly aggravate others. ;)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 21, 2017, 06:21:11 am
Dittos.  I thought we all came here to needlessly aggravate others. ;)


There is a certain satisfaction to it,  isn't there? 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 21, 2017, 06:23:00 am
Dittos.  I thought we all came here to needlessly aggravate others. ;)

My my my. That would be impolite. I wouldn't be comfortable if that were true.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on November 21, 2017, 06:25:05 am
As a general rule, any time Democrats accuse you of doing something bad, it is because they are already doing it themselves.

With Chuck Grassley pushing for Sexual Harassment training (look at the date) I'm finding it Amusing that all of these Dems are getting the spotlight for it in the last few weeks.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/01/grassley-congress-harassment-training-244395

Seems to me they knew how their own measured up on this score and launched a pre-emptive divisionary strike against Moore so They wouldn't be the only ones getting news coverage for it.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on November 21, 2017, 06:32:35 am
I've been thinking about upgrading from 3.1.

I Was running Win 8.1, and upgraded (???) to Win 10.

And I can tell you for a fact that 10 is no such thing as an Improvement.

Just more of the same old same old.

No matter how much SELL, MS hands you, it's just them moving stuff around and you, the user, spending a couple of weeks trying to figure out where they hid it.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 06:40:00 am
My my my. That would be impolite. I wouldn't be comfortable if that were true.

Am I interpreting that correctly, that you feel uncomfortable with the truth?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 21, 2017, 06:42:08 am
Great find!  Not at all surprised by any of it!   888high58888

All I can say is if it can be proven Nelson is lying, she should pay a very heavy price for all this - like prison time.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 21, 2017, 06:48:37 am
Am I interpreting that correctly, that you feel uncomfortable with the truth?

If the truth is that people are here to intentionally bug each other, it would greatly sadden me. I always felt everyone here had great respect and good will towards one another. What you are saying confuses my sensibilities.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 06:59:26 am
If the truth is that people are here to intentionally bug each other, it would greatly sadden me. I always felt everyone here had great respect and good will towards one another. What you are saying confuses my sensibilities.

My goodness, I had no idea you were the sensitive type.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 21, 2017, 07:19:03 am
My goodness, I had no idea you were the sensitive type.

After all this time reading my thoughtful and caring posts on the forum, you just came to that conclusion now?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 07:22:15 am
After all this time reading my thoughtful and caring posts on the forum, you just came to that conclusion now?

I don't know why it's taken me so long.  Your avatars alone spell out Mr. Sensitive.  I see it all so clearly now.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 21, 2017, 07:24:00 am
I don't know why it's taken me so long.  Your avatars alone spell out Mr. Sensitive.  I see it all so clearly now.

Exactly. You see I have payed tribute to the brave and mistreated Indians as opposed to the violent Pilgrims for this sad holiday. It's the least I can do to respect their heritage.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 07:30:16 am
Exactly. You see I have payed tribute to the brave and mistreated Indians as opposed to the violent Pilgrims for this sad holiday. It's the least I can do to respect their heritage.

That looks like a very forward thinking Indian you're paying tribute to.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 21, 2017, 07:34:49 am
That looks like a very forward thinking Indian you're paying tribute to.

You are such a xenophobe. The Indian people are as modern as the rest of the country. Because of the lack of buffalo hides, they have been forced to create their native outfits out of Dacron and polyester now.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 07:38:38 am
You are such a xenophobe. The Indian people are as modern as the rest of the country. Because of the lack of buffalo hides, they have been forced to create their native outfits out of Dacron and polyester now.

I am not a xenophobe.  We have very sandy soils and it takes a lot of water to get anything to grow.  Not that that's any of your business.  But I appreciate the education on the native outfits; very informative.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 21, 2017, 07:41:43 am
I am not a xenophobe.  We have very sandy soils and it takes a lot of water to get anything to grow.  Not that that's any of your business.  But I appreciate the education on the native outfits; very informative.

I apologize for the impression of giving insult to you. As I said earlier, conflict on this board is the farthest thing from my mind. I would also not want to be label a sandist for my comment.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 21, 2017, 02:14:42 pm
You've finally found out I'm really a woman?

@Frank Cannon

All I really know about you is that you drink all the good Scotch in the lounge before I can get there with great regularity!   22222frying pan
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: libertybele on November 21, 2017, 02:56:04 pm
Here's to great Scotch and a good sense of humor!   :beer: :beer:
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 21, 2017, 03:25:34 pm
Quote
EXCLUSIVE: Ex-Boyfriend of Roy Moore Accuser: I Don’t Believe Her
Breitbart, Nov 20, 2017, Aaron Klein

Birmingham, ALABAMA — A minister who says that he dated Beverly Young Nelson at around the same time that Young claims to have been assaulted by senatorial candidate Roy Moore says that he does not believe his ex-girlfriend about the allegations.
The former boyfriend, Jeff DeVine, attended high school with Young and is currently in Thailand, where he runs DeVine Ministries with his wife and twin daughters. He says that as part of his ministry, which focuses on rescuing children, he has worked with victims of rape and other trauma.

A high school classmate of Nelson’s who spoke to Breitbart News remembers DeVine and Nelson briefly dating around 1977. DeVine also provided a copy of his high school yearbook inscribed with a lengthy message by Nelson.  The inscription was signed by “Beverly Young,” using Nelson’s maiden name.

DeVine’s comments mark the second time a person who has known Nelson has gone public to call her allegations against Moore into question.  Last week, Nelson’s stepson, Darrel Nelson, claimed in a Breitbart News interview that his stepmother’s accusations are “one hundred percent a lie.”


More: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/20/exclusive-ex-boyfriend-of-roy-moore-accuser-i-dont-believe-her/
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Cripplecreek on November 21, 2017, 03:27:53 pm
Always "planning" a lawsuit just like that degenerate fecal smear of a president we have.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 21, 2017, 04:10:42 pm
Here's to great Scotch and a good sense of humor!   :beer: :beer:

Here's to Bankers Club scotch and knock knock jokes.

(http://www.lairdandcompany.com/images/BankersClub2.jpg)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 04:17:25 pm
Here's to great Scotch and a good sense of humor!   :beer: :beer:

I'll drink to that.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 04:21:03 pm
I'll drink to that.

My sense of humor failed me and I had to report @Cripplecreek last comment.  I don't have to read stuff like that before breakfast ... or any other time.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 21, 2017, 04:44:24 pm
I Was running Win 8.1, and upgraded (???) to Win 10.

And I can tell you for a fact that 10 is no such thing as an Improvement.

Just more of the same old same old.

No matter how much SELL, MS hands you, it's just them moving stuff around and you, the user, spending a couple of weeks trying to figure out where they hid it.


I hate and detest Microsoft,  and I especially hate and detest that no talent hack Bill Gates who only owes his success to the laws of the United States,  and his ability to get away with stealing other people's work.   

Yes,  nothing Microsoft has produced since Windows XP has been an improvement.   All they ever do is "cheese"  screens,  with no improvement whatsoever in the usability of their product.  (Other than updating drivers for newer hardware and third party software.)   

The only thing to say in defense of Microsoft is that their main competitor is a collection of even worse bastards.   

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 21, 2017, 04:49:14 pm
My sense of humor failed me and I had to report @Cripplecreek last comment.  I don't have to read stuff like that before breakfast ... or any other time.

@Emjay
Wow I had missed that comment until your post.   gee thanks,  its still there BTW
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 21, 2017, 04:50:24 pm
If the truth is that people are here to intentionally bug each other, it would greatly sadden me.


It didn't start out that way,  but when you finally realize they are consistently putting forth efforts that seemingly have the purpose of undermining your goals,   you become a lot less interested in getting along with them.   


At that point "bugging them"  back seems to be a reasonably appropriate thing to do.   


A' bon chat, bon rat. 



Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 21, 2017, 04:54:42 pm
Here's to Bankers Club scotch and knock knock jokes.

(http://www.lairdandcompany.com/images/BankersClub2.jpg)

:3:
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 21, 2017, 04:56:00 pm
Always "planning" a lawsuit just like that degenerate fecal smear of a president we have.


And here is a prime example to what I referred in my last message.   


If this is the verbiage he uses to describe Trump,  I can only imagine how strongly he described Obama.   Or did he even use such language referring to our last Imbecile President?   


Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: jpsb on November 21, 2017, 05:08:28 pm
Always "planning" a lawsuit just like that degenerate fecal smear of a president we have.

@Cripplecreek

You are a really nasty person with a very foul mouth.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: TomSea on November 21, 2017, 05:12:23 pm
@Cripplecreek

You are a really nasty person with a very foul mouth.

Liberals are like that, he was anti-Romney, though St. Ted Cruz endorsed Romney.  Another so-called Cruz supporter that never agrees with Cruz. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: jpsb on November 21, 2017, 05:13:42 pm
Here's to Bankers Club scotch and knock knock jokes.

My every day Scotch

(http://library.bevnetwork.com/bottles/170/291578.jpg)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 21, 2017, 05:15:07 pm
Liberals are like that, he was anti-Romney, though St. Ted Cruz endorsed Romney.  Another so-called Cruz supporter that never agrees with Cruz.

And you with your Cruz hate are another character.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: TomSea on November 21, 2017, 05:18:05 pm
And you with your Cruz hate are another character.

No, You hate Cruz you slanderer and liar. Skeeter.

Wake up from Kindergarten little boy.

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: jpsb on November 21, 2017, 05:19:35 pm
Liberals are like that, he was anti-Romney, though St. Ted Cruz endorsed Romney.  Another so-called Cruz supporter that never agrees with Cruz.

I greatly dislike Hillary, but I would never use language like that to describe her. He is one
sick individual. I'm glad @Emjay reported him.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: TomSea on November 21, 2017, 05:27:18 pm
Sorry, someone wants to give someone a free pass for posting hate, what CC did is that.  One points out the hypocrisy and someone goes crazy on that. Too bad, these alleged Cruz-supporters who slam others can not even entertain debate on their inconsistencies and hypocrisies. They can't defend the Romney endorsement or many other things and resort to a personal attack.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: 240B on November 21, 2017, 05:30:42 pm
Well, first he took me home, to a motel, and then he undressed me, oh wait no, then he bought me a soda, and then he undressed me, except he left my clothes on, and then he touched me, I think...without actually touching me..


And then I caught the bus and went home and never said anything to anybody about it for 40 years.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 21, 2017, 05:52:52 pm
Always "planning" a lawsuit just like that degenerate fecal smear of a president we have.

Here's an early Christmas present for you @Cripplecreek   Simply print and frame for your mantle.

(https://twt-media.washtimes.com/media/image/2017/01/20/Trump_Inauguration_45125.jpg-9563f.jpg)




Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 21, 2017, 06:02:38 pm

And here is a prime example to what I referred in my last message.   


If this is the verbiage he uses to describe Trump,  I can only imagine how strongly he described Obama.   Or did he even use such language referring to our last Imbecile President?

@DiogenesLamp
I don't recall him using that kind of language when referring to Obama.  In fact he rarely posts anything but hate for Trump.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 21, 2017, 06:06:31 pm
@DiogenesLamp
I don't recall him using that kind of language when referring to Obama.  In fact he rarely posts anything but hate for Trump.

I don't understand why such outrageous posts are allowed to remain @driftdiver  They are disrespectful not only to the President, but to this forum and its members, too.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 06:25:07 pm
Speaking of pearl clutchers...
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 06:26:02 pm
Well, first he took me home, to a motel, and then he undressed me, oh wait no, then he bought me a soda, and then he undressed me, except he left my clothes on, and then he touched me, I think...without actually touching me..


And then I caught the bus and went home and never said anything to anybody about it for 40 years.

I've had dates like that... *yawn*
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 21, 2017, 06:32:29 pm
I don't understand why such outrageous posts are allowed to remain @driftdiver  They are disrespectful not only to the President, but to this forum and its members, too.

@Right_in_Virginia
I don't either but have been assured 10ways from Sunday that moderators are fair and  balanced.   Its a hard job, one I wouldn't care to tackle. 

It shows far more about the person then the board though.   We all lose our cool at times, I know I have.   But some people are consistent with their hatred and unthinking blathering.    I actually feel sorry for them having to go through life filled with so much black anger.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 21, 2017, 06:33:10 pm
I've had dates like that... *yawn*

@RoosGirl
So you're a boring date?  good to know, there go my Saturday plans.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 21, 2017, 06:34:26 pm
@Right_in_Virginia
I don't either but have been assured 10ways from Sunday that moderators are fair and  balanced.   Its a hard job, one I wouldn't care to tackle. 

It shows far more about the person then the board though.   We all lose our cool at times, I know I have.   But some people are consistent with their hatred and unthinking blathering.    I actually feel sorry for them having to go through life filled with so much black anger.

Good points @driftdiver    :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 06:37:46 pm
I don't understand why such outrageous posts are allowed to remain @driftdiver  They are disrespectful not only to the President, but to this forum and its members, too.

They are, 888high58888 and I complained again.

If people cannot criticize using acceptable words then they should not post at all.

Though we often disagree, I have a lot of respect for you.  You stand by your loyalties even though you are constantly abused on this forum.

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 06:43:03 pm
@Right_in_Virginia
I don't either but have been assured 10ways from Sunday that moderators are fair and  balanced.   Its a hard job, one I wouldn't care to tackle. 

It shows far more about the person then the board though.   We all lose our cool at times, I know I have.   But some people are consistent with their hatred and unthinking blathering.    I actually feel sorry for them having to go through life filled with so much black anger.

What is the big damn deal?  It's a comment about a politician, not a personal insult to anyone here.  Anyone taking it as a personal insult needs to have their head examined.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 06:43:12 pm
I don't understand why such outrageous posts are allowed to remain @driftdiver  They are disrespectful not only to the President, but to this forum and its members, too.

I must step in to defend the moderators. 

If I were a moderator, there would be very few posters left.

I think they are more inclined to delete posts that refer in obnoxious fashion to other posters on the board than posts (however disgusting) that refer to elected officials.

That's probably a good thing.  Thanks, mods.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 06:43:41 pm
@RoosGirl
So you're a boring date?  good to know, there go my Saturday plans.

Absolutely!  The boringest!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 21, 2017, 06:44:28 pm
I must step in to defend the moderators. 

If I were a moderator, there would be very few posters left.

I think they are more inclined to delete posts that refer in obnoxious fashion to other posters on the board than posts (however disgusting) that refer to elected officials.

That's probably a good thing.  Thanks, mods.

@Emjay

I'm a monkey, I fling poo.  eff the mods
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 06:52:42 pm
@Emjay

I'm a monkey, I fling poo.  eff the mods

I was gonna say I thank God that I am not like some people, but then I remembered Luke ll:18.

Oh, well.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: mystery-ak on November 21, 2017, 06:54:33 pm
I must step in to defend the moderators. 

If I were a moderator, there would be very few posters left.

I think they are more inclined to delete posts that refer in obnoxious fashion to other posters on the board than posts (however disgusting) that refer to elected officials.

That's probably a good thing.  Thanks, mods.


...long standing policy here is that you can say what you want about politicians or celebs just don't do it to another member here......all within reason of course
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 21, 2017, 06:56:00 pm
I was gonna say I thank God that I am not like some people, but then I remembered Luke ll:18.

Oh, well.

@Emjay
I took a break for about a month and found my life much more peaceful.  Less anger and stress.   I've limited myself to only a few posts a day until today.   Time to put myself back on the wagon.  People like him take the joy out of life.   Nothing is every good enough.   One  more conference call and then I'm gonna call it a day and go back to work on my kayak.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 06:57:06 pm
@Emjay
I took a break for about a month and found my life much more peaceful.  Less anger and stress.   I've limited myself to only a few posts a day until today.   Time to put myself back on the wagon.  People like him take the joy out of life.   Nothing is every good enough.   One  more conference call and then I'm gonna call it a day and go back to work on my kayak.

Bless you, my son.  Where do you float your boat?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 21, 2017, 06:57:19 pm

...long standing policy here is that you can say what you want about politicians or celebs just don't do it to another member here......all within reason of course

As you know, I come down on the side of less moderating is better.  Too much of it inhibits the free flow of ideas.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 06:58:43 pm
@Emjay
I took a break for about a month and found my life much more peaceful.  Less anger and stress.   I've limited myself to only a few posts a day until today.   Time to put myself back on the wagon.  People like him take the joy out of life.   Nothing is every good enough.   One  more conference call and then I'm gonna call it a day and go back to work on my kayak.

Totally hear you.  I took almost a week off because I allowed some posters here to make me lose my cool.  I came back to find idiocy still prevails but it keeps me out of the pool hall.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 21, 2017, 06:58:53 pm
I must step in to defend the moderators. 

If I were a moderator, there would be very few posters left.


I think they are more inclined to delete posts that refer in obnoxious fashion to other posters on the board than posts (however disgusting) that refer to elected officials.

That's probably a good thing.  Thanks, mods.

Close to none except the ones that let you call them the B word.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 21, 2017, 07:13:25 pm
Totally hear you.  I took almost a week off because I allowed some posters here to make me lose my cool.  I came back to find idiocy still prevails but it keeps me out of the pool hall.


When I first started going to Republican gatherings I quickly noticed something.   While most people at these events seem rational and respectable,  I found there are quite often a lot of shrill kooks that show up too. 

They are always more moral or more patriotic than the next guy,  and they will bend your ear for as long as you will let them explain it to you.   

Do you know the sort to which I refer?   I can't imagine it being different in other states.   

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 07:29:25 pm
Close to none except the ones that let you call them the B word.

Not sure what you are talking about?  But perhaps it should stay that way.

I sense hostility in your post.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 21, 2017, 07:44:11 pm
Bless you, my son.  Where do you float your boat?

Ft Desoto Park and planning a trip to the Everglades.

(http://www.visitstpeteclearwater.com/sites/default/files/styles/social-share/public/FortDeSotoaerial640x480.jpg?itok=IeUafOW0)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Emjay on November 21, 2017, 07:46:11 pm
Ft Desoto Park and planning a trip to the Everglades.

(http://www.visitstpeteclearwater.com/sites/default/files/styles/social-share/public/FortDeSotoaerial640x480.jpg?itok=IeUafOW0)

Totally cool and beautiful. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: mystery-ak on November 21, 2017, 07:55:22 pm
Ft Desoto Park and planning a trip to the Everglades.

(http://www.visitstpeteclearwater.com/sites/default/files/styles/social-share/public/FortDeSotoaerial640x480.jpg?itok=IeUafOW0)

beautiful....
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 21, 2017, 08:10:30 pm
I've had dates like that... *yawn*

At 14?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 08:18:26 pm
At 14?

Oh goodness, no.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 21, 2017, 08:39:44 pm
Oh goodness, no.

Of course not - especially with someone 20 years your senior.  What’s troubling is, it would’ve been perfectly legal, had she been a couple years older.  Now, none of the teenaged girls who dated him ever made any such claims.  However, I don’t see any reason for a grown man in his 30s to be dating teenage girls, whether it’s legal, or not.  Moore has been dishonest about that aspect, because he knows it would not make him look good to some. 

Those who are standing behind the ‘its not illegal’ line should ask themselves a couple questions.  What would your reaction be if a man twice their age asked to date your teenage daughter?  Would you vote for that man 30 years later?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 21, 2017, 08:56:41 pm
Of course not - especially with someone 20 years your senior.  What’s troubling is, it would’ve been perfectly legal, had she been a couple years older.  Now, none of the teenaged girls who dated him ever made any such claims.  However, I don’t see any reason for a grown man in his 30s to be dating teenage girls, whether it’s legal, or not.  Moore has been dishonest about that aspect, because he knows it would not make him look good to some. 

Those who are standing behind the ‘its not illegal’ line should ask themselves a couple questions.  What would your reaction be if a man twice their age asked to date your teenage daughter?  Would you vote for that man 30 years later?



You have a very good point.   That is clearly a very good reason to chose a senator that approves of baby murder and gun control.   


After all,  we must keep our moral priorities in order.   An older man dating teenagers is just icky.   

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 21, 2017, 09:11:54 pm


You have a very good point.   That is clearly a very good reason to chose a senator that approves of baby murder and gun control.   


After all,  we must keep our moral priorities in order.   An older man dating teenagers is just icky.

Or, heaven forbid, you can review the other people that were options and make an adult decision about what you want as a representative.  Love how people who want to bring down the swamp system stay within its paradigms and get trapped in its reasoning.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 09:23:46 pm
Of course not - especially with someone 20 years your senior.  What’s troubling is, it would’ve been perfectly legal, had she been a couple years older.  Now, none of the teenaged girls who dated him ever made any such claims.  However, I don’t see any reason for a grown man in his 30s to be dating teenage girls, whether it’s legal, or not.  Moore has been dishonest about that aspect, because he knows it would not make him look good to some. 

Those who are standing behind the ‘its not illegal’ line should ask themselves a couple questions.  What would your reaction be if a man twice their age asked to date your teenage daughter?  Would you vote for that man 30 years later?

I swear I've read this exact thing, or something very similar to it, at least 50 times now.  You'll pardon me if I don't respond to it....again.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 21, 2017, 09:25:54 pm
Or, heaven forbid, you can review the other people that were options and make an adult decision about what you want as a representative.  Love how people who want to bring down the swamp system stay within its paradigms and get trapped in its reasoning.

For this reason I'd rather go kayaking with the sharks.  Although seeing a dolphin playing is tremendous.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 09:27:47 pm
For this reason I'd rather go kayaking with the sharks.  Although seeing a dolphin playing is tremendous.

Just don't sleep with the fishes.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: mystery-ak on November 21, 2017, 09:28:59 pm
For this reason I'd rather go kayaking with the sharks.  Although seeing a dolphin playing is tremendous.

post some pics of your kayak in The Lounge..
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 21, 2017, 09:29:53 pm


You have a very good point.   That is clearly a very good reason to chose a senator that approves of baby murder and gun control.   


After all,  we must keep our moral priorities in order.   An older man dating teenagers is just icky.


Now we are expected to choose one evil over another because apparently there are no good men or women to represent us.  And it isn't just icky.  You remind me of some of the churches these days.  Deciding what part of Gods Word to throw out.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 21, 2017, 09:33:06 pm
I swear I've read this exact thing, or something very similar to it, at least 50 times now.  You'll pardon me if I don't respond to it....again.

No pardon necessary.  I post what I think about the conversation at hand, not necessarily to elicit a response.  I already knew the answer to the question previously posted.  It was rhetorical, though that’s almost impossible to discern in an online discussion.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Restored on November 21, 2017, 09:33:07 pm
There is no evidence that Moore did those things. And it was 35-40 years ago. If he was a real creep, we would have more recent examples.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 21, 2017, 09:34:07 pm

Now we are expected to choose one evil over another because apparently there are no good men or women to represent us.  And it isn't just icky.  You remind me of some of the churches these days.  Deciding what part of Gods Word to throw out.

Baloney. There are nothing but accusations. No proof. Not a whit.

Every one of these charges are likely false, just like the same sort of charges leveled at Cruz.
Allowing a man to be painted as evil over nothing but gossip and rumor is what is evil.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Cripplecreek on November 21, 2017, 09:43:00 pm
There is no evidence that Moore did those things. And it was 35-40 years ago. If he was a real creep, we would have more recent examples.

The man who molested my sister 40 years ago is facing charges again today with no charges filed in the intervening years.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 21, 2017, 09:44:36 pm
The man who molested my sister 40 years ago is facing charges again today with no charges filed in the intervening years.

So that makes Moore guilty?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 21, 2017, 09:48:24 pm
The man who molested my sister 40 years ago is facing charges again today with no charges filed in the intervening years.

Here is a response from Moore accuser including why she didn't come forward before.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2017/11/20/i-have-no-tickets-to-tahiti-moore-accuser-speaks-n2411886

When is Moore going to file the lawsuit?  Haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 21, 2017, 09:52:21 pm
Here is a response from Moore accuser including why she didn't come forward before.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2017/11/20/i-have-no-tickets-to-tahiti-moore-accuser-speaks-n2411886

When is Moore going to file the lawsuit?  Haven't seen it.

People often make this threat because it expresses outrage, but rarely follow through.  He won't for a few reasons.  First, it just keeps adding developments to the story in the news cycle.  Also, it would take time away from making campaign stops in the last couple weeks available.  Lastly, it requires going on record and being asked a variety of questions, leading back to reason one.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Cripplecreek on November 21, 2017, 09:56:32 pm
Here is a response from Moore accuser including why she didn't come forward before.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2017/11/20/i-have-no-tickets-to-tahiti-moore-accuser-speaks-n2411886

When is Moore going to file the lawsuit?  Haven't seen it.

He's not going to because he's a coward and a liar like Trump.

The man who molested my sister is apparently not guilty this time because none of the other girls he's molested in the intervening years have come forward.

Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 21, 2017, 10:01:18 pm
He's not going to because he's a coward and a liar like Trump.

The man who molested my sister is apparently not guilty this time because none of the other girls he's molested in the intervening years have come forward.

Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.
Is the man who molested your sister running for Senate?

I'm glad your sister's molester is being taken to account, and it's a pity it didn't happen much sooner.

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 21, 2017, 10:03:16 pm
He's not going to because he's a coward and a liar like Trump.

The man who molested my sister is apparently not guilty this time because none of the other girls he's molested in the intervening years have come forward.

Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.

I hope you don't.  I also find this totally frustrating.  I am sorry about your sister.  When I see the church also becoming neutral to this kind of thing for the sake of politics I feel sick.  What is Conservative or Repulican?  I don't know.  What is Christianity?

It is Conservatives like Sasse and Cruz who will not support Moore until he is proven innocent.  Moore said he will file a lawsuit.  If he was innocent he would.  Not happening.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: truth_seeker on November 21, 2017, 10:11:06 pm
The man who molested my sister 40 years ago is facing charges again today with no charges filed in the intervening years.

Did you, your father, uncles and brothers kick the holy crap out of him then? Or not?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: corbe on November 21, 2017, 10:19:44 pm
    Step Back @Cripplecreek maybe take a day or two off but realize you can never leave, damn, I know I'd miss ya.  You stir the Trumper's blood here, you have a purpose.

(http://api.ning.com/files/ETjOdHoKImon51TNRhJtMMLg3YVsxa-Q4j9vxF77jQeMC38YZAf0swTcQwSqfUvsyfIgZjEjID1TChPmDhWhdUBfvdnloOIG/thejerkoriginal.jpg)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 21, 2017, 10:20:32 pm
When I see the church also becoming neutral to this kind of thing for the sake of politics I feel sick.

Stuff like this doesn't help.....

“I don’t know how much these women are getting paid, but I can only believe they’re getting a healthy sum,” said pastor Earl Wise, a Moore supporter from Millbrook, Ala.

Wise said he would support Moore even if the allegations were true and the candidate was proved to have sexually molested teenage girls and women.

“There ought to be a statute of limitations on this stuff,” Wise said. “How these gals came up with this, I don’t know. They must have had some sweet dreams somewhere down the line.

“Plus,” he added, “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”


http://theweek.com/speedreads/738842/alabama-pastor-defends-roy-moore-by-saying-some-14yearolds--could-pass-20
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 10:24:45 pm

Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.

 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 21, 2017, 10:27:10 pm
Stuff like this doesn't help.....

“I don’t know how much these women are getting paid, but I can only believe they’re getting a healthy sum,” said pastor Earl Wise, a Moore supporter from Millbrook, Ala.

Wise said he would support Moore even if the allegations were true and the candidate was proved to have sexually molested teenage girls and women.

“There ought to be a statute of limitations on this stuff,” Wise said. “How these gals came up with this, I don’t know. They must have had some sweet dreams somewhere down the line.

“Plus,” he added, “there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.”


http://theweek.com/speedreads/738842/alabama-pastor-defends-roy-moore-by-saying-some-14yearolds--could-pass-20

Doesn't help.  Makes people suspicious of church, even me.  I know my church isn't like that.  But I left one that I think would support a politician if they thought they could get something from it.  I on the other hand put my trust in God.

Abortion is the most horrid thing a human can do if you ask me.  But will I accept rape and sexual assault for a promise from a politician to do something about abortion.  Does God do that?  Would he say this is OK as long as you take a stand against this other evil?  No.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 21, 2017, 10:37:57 pm
He's not going to because he's a coward and a liar like Trump.

The man who molested my sister is apparently not guilty this time because none of the other girls he's molested in the intervening years have come forward.

Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.

Don't let the doorknob hit you in the AZZ on your way out! 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 21, 2017, 10:45:28 pm
I suppose in light of the thread’s moral relativism and CC’s post, this seemed fitting.....



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Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 21, 2017, 10:47:38 pm
Doesn't help.  Makes people suspicious of church, even me.  I know my church isn't like that.  But I left one that I think would support a politician if they thought they could get something from it.  I on the other hand put my trust in God.

Abortion is the most horrid thing a human can do if you ask me.  But will I accept rape and sexual assault for a promise from a politician to do something about abortion.  Does God do that?  Would he say this is OK as long as you take a stand against this other evil?  No.

God has power, we don't.     Moore deserves a day in court.   The one thing has admitted too is chasing young girls.  Not a crime but not someone I'd support.

At this point you all have declared him guilty of rape.   You have no proof. 

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 21, 2017, 11:11:19 pm
When is Moore going to file the lawsuit?  Haven't seen it.

LOLWhut? A proper suit will take a month to 6 months to bring forward. It isn't surprising at all that it hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 21, 2017, 11:24:29 pm
LOLWhut? A proper suit will take a month to 6 months to bring forward. It isn't surprising at all that it hasn't happened yet.

Kindly do not cloud the issue with facts and common sense.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 01:08:07 am
LOLWhut? A proper suit will take a month to 6 months to bring forward. It isn't surprising at all that it hasn't happened yet.

They could file a lawsuit in a day. He's a lawyer and he's at home among lawyers. If they really believed it was entirely fake evidence they'd be pounding it in the courts seeking heavy damages and in the media. This isn't a he said/she said. There's a claim of evidence on one side and that it is fake evidence on the other. That can be analyzed and a determination of truth made. A real lawsuit has a way of causing reality to set in for those pushing a lie when faced with big fines/prison.

The only reason not to file a lawsuit is because there's truth mixed in there somewhere. Otherwise he'd be on a righteous crusade against Nelson to get justice - as would anyone.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 01:09:17 am
Kindly do not cloud the issue with facts and common sense.

I disagree. See above.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 22, 2017, 01:12:05 am
I disagree. See above.

So there are no legitimate reasons for not having filed yet?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Restored on November 22, 2017, 01:13:25 am
Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.

#VirtueSignal

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/21/child-sex-abuse-victim-calls-doug-jones-hypocrisy-jones-said-victims-claims-without-merit-cynical-attempt-extort-money/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 22, 2017, 01:18:25 am
They could file a lawsuit in a day. He's a lawyer and he's at home among lawyers. If they really believed it was entirely fake evidence they'd be pounding it in the courts seeking heavy damages and in the media. This isn't a he said/she said. There's a claim of evidence on one side and that it is fake evidence on the other. That can be analyzed and a determination of truth made. A real lawsuit has a way of causing reality to set in for those pushing a lie when faced with big fines/prison.

The only reason not to file a lawsuit is because there's truth mixed in there somewhere. Otherwise he'd be on a righteous crusade against Nelson to get justice - as would anyone.
What evidence? The only claim of any physical evidence would show Moore signed a yearbook for someone. Not one thing more. And then only if the signature hasn't been messed with, which sure looks like a possibility.
What other physical evidence exists?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 01:23:31 am
What evidence? The only claim of any physical evidence would show Moore signed a yearbook for someone. Not one thing more. And then only if the signature hasn't been messed with, which sure looks like a possibility.

It is a possibility and filing the lawsuit would be the best way to get it into the hands of a third party for preservation and examination.  Still, that’s not the point.  He doesn’t want to be giving depositions right now, or possibly ever.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 22, 2017, 01:37:03 am
They could file a lawsuit in a day. He's a lawyer and he's at home among lawyers. If they really believed it was entirely fake evidence they'd be pounding it in the courts seeking heavy damages and in the media. This isn't a he said/she said. There's a claim of evidence on one side and that it is fake evidence on the other. That can be analyzed and a determination of truth made. A real lawsuit has a way of causing reality to set in for those pushing a lie when faced with big fines/prison.

The only reason not to file a lawsuit is because there's truth mixed in there somewhere. Otherwise he'd be on a righteous crusade against Nelson to get justice - as would anyone.

No, proving defamation is a hard sell anyway - Proving it against the press is a piece of work. one has to prove pattern and intent beyond mere reporting (wherein the newscorp just shrugs it's shoulders and says they were merely reporting).

It's a big deal to go up against big daddy media with their many lawyers with an intent to not only survive, but win.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 22, 2017, 01:40:12 am
#VirtueSignal

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/21/child-sex-abuse-victim-calls-doug-jones-hypocrisy-jones-said-victims-claims-without-merit-cynical-attempt-extort-money/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Thats rich. And typical.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Fantom on November 22, 2017, 01:56:13 am
God has power, we don't.     Moore deserves a day in court.   The one thing has admitted too is chasing young girls.  Not a crime but not someone I'd support.

At this point you all have declared him guilty of rape.   You have no proof.

 :amen: ANd there you have it.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Fantom on November 22, 2017, 02:00:18 am
What evidence? The only claim of any physical evidence would show Moore signed a yearbook for someone. Not one thing more. And then only if the signature hasn't been messed with, which sure looks like a possibility.
What other physical evidence exists?

Right? Personally I hope Moore sues the pants off of them. Seems those would be the only pants he tried to get off. So much for being a "molester".
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 02:36:52 am
What evidence? The only claim of any physical evidence would show Moore signed a yearbook for someone. Not one thing more. And then only if the signature hasn't been messed with, which sure looks like a possibility.
What other physical evidence exists?

I'm talking about the yearbook "evidence" and the restaurant "evidence". She claims he signed it at a specific restaurant where she says he attacked her, he says he didn't sign it and that he's never been to that restaurant. First, it can likely be determined if the claimed writing is in fact his. It can be determined if she worked there when she was 14 or 15 years old like she claims. And there are likely other witnesses to whether he "frequented" the place or not and/or if she worked there. Those are hard evidence claims, not she said/he said claims. The truth can be determined.

And there's zip reason not to force that determination ASAP if you know you didn't do any of those things.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 02:39:34 am
No, proving defamation is a hard sell anyway - Proving it against the press is a piece of work. one has to prove pattern and intent beyond mere reporting (wherein the newscorp just shrugs it's shoulders and says they were merely reporting).

It's a big deal to go up against big daddy media with their many lawyers with an intent to not only survive, but win.

Not nearly as hard if you invent stories that can be clearly proven to be a lie. She's made claims about the signing of her yearbook and the location that it took place and that she worked there at the time. Expose one lie and the house cards falls.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: driftdiver on November 22, 2017, 02:42:05 am
I'm talking about the yearbook "evidence" and the restaurant "evidence". She claims he signed it at a specific restaurant where she says he attacked her, he says he didn't sign it and that he's never been to that restaurant. First, it can likely be determined if the claimed writing is in fact his. It can be determined if she worked there when she was 14 or 15 years old like she claims. And there are likely other witnesses to whether he "frequented" the place or not and/or if she worked there. Those are hard evidence claims, not she said/he said claims. The truth can be determined.

And there's zip reason not to force that determination ASAP if you know you didn't do any of those things.

His statement that one of these ladies was involved in a divorce that he presided  over.   The decision didn't go her way.

I thought that was an interesting twist.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 02:46:04 am
So there are no legitimate reasons for not having filed yet?

If you know you never signed the yearbook in question and that you've never been to the restaurant in question, which is basically what he's claiming then can you name a legitimate reason not to sue her with extreme prejudice ASAP? If she's lying she should be crushed by the court. This isn't open to interpretation, she's made very specific claims and either they are true or they are not. Claims that can be proven false if they are false.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: TomSea on November 22, 2017, 02:46:39 am
CNN was reporting this tonight.
Quote
Don't believe Roy Moore's accusers? Then listen to Moore
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/you_dont_have_to_believe_the_w.html#incart_maj-story-1
So, these articles are coming out from both sides trying to prop up their sides. One can judge for themselves.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 02:52:41 am
His statement that one of these ladies was involved in a divorce that he presided  over.   The decision didn't go her way.

I thought that was an interesting twist.

Yes. But she's made very specific claims with her yearbook as an example of more than "stranger on the street" contact. Like they knew each other and crossed paths frequently at a specific place she worked. Many of those details can be proven one way or the other in court. Did she actually work there when she was 14 or 15? Did Moore ever go to that restaurant? Is that actually Moore's signature? If Moore says its all lies he should go after her hard for making knowingly false serious claims against him. And many of the points can be determined with some accuracy on whether it is true or not.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 22, 2017, 02:59:47 am
Not nearly as hard if you event stories that can be clearly proven to be a lie. She's made claims about the signing of her yearbook and the location that it took place and that she worked there at the time. Expose one lie and the house cards falls.

That has already occurred, and is linked somewhere hereabouts. More than one (though one named) employees of the diner in question tore huge holes in her story - to include that Moore in fact did not frequent the joint.

But all that will not catch the media, who 'merely' did their duty 'reporting'.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 03:05:21 am
That has already occurred, and is linked somewhere hereabouts. More than one (though one named) employees of the diner in question tore huge holes in her story - to include that Moore in fact did not frequent the joint.

But all that will not catch the media, who 'merely' did their duty 'reporting'.

Yes, and his taking her to court promptly will force the media to take notice. So why isn't he?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 03:07:43 am
That has already occurred, and is linked somewhere hereabouts. More than one (though one named) employees of the diner in question tore huge holes in her story - to include that Moore in fact did not frequent the joint.

But all that will not catch the media, who 'merely' did their duty 'reporting'.

Dang... "event" was supposed to be "invent"... My writing has had a pretty high error rate lately...
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 22, 2017, 03:18:24 am
Yes, and his taking her to court promptly will force the media to take notice. So why isn't he?

To my knowledge, his suit is toward the Dems/MSM - Disproving the story works against that end - And it is still but a week into discovery and rebuttal - Election aside (which is provided for by the rebuttal in the press, I would move very slowly and make certaain every single thing is nailed down for the suit. I have only been involved in one of major significance, and that one took 8 months before we filed anything other than papers making certain the other side's evidence was neutrally cared for (much as in this case)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 03:31:28 am
To my knowledge, his suit is toward the Dems/MSM - Disproving the story works against that end - And it is still but a week into discovery and rebuttal - Election aside (which is provided for by the rebuttal in the press, I would move very slowly and make certaain every single thing is nailed down for the suit. I have only been involved in one of major significance, and that one took 8 months before we filed anything other than papers making certain the other side's evidence was neutrally cared for (much as in this case)

You can file a suite tomorrow. Discovery comes later. He knows if he ever went to that restaurant and if he knew her there and signed her yearbook - he's already on the record saying he didn't, so either that is true or false. Due to an election coming up he can petition the court to expedite discovery, particularly whether she worked there at the time claimed and assigning an expert to evaluate the writing immediately. And even if not complete by the time of the election it gets the ball rolling showing strong doubt of the claims against him.

If someone is publicly making false claims about you and provides specifics that can be proven false - you go for it all in.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 22, 2017, 03:33:11 am
If you know you never signed the yearbook in question and that you've never been to the restaurant in question, which is basically what he's claiming then can you name a legitimate reason not to sue her with extreme prejudice ASAP? If she's lying she should be crushed by the court. This isn't open to interpretation, she's made very specific claims and either they are true or they are not. Claims that can be proven false if they are false.
In civil suits the standard is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but a preponderance of evidence. If a jury (always a crapshoot) decided the impassioned accounts of those who claim to be wronged outweigh the denials of a man, the decision can go the other way.

Just look at the people here who are more than willing to throw this man out the door on the basis of WaPo and other liberal outlets' hyperbole, and you get the picture of what a court case could become. It is little different than the court of public opinion without the ability to conclusively prove ones self innocent of alleged wrongdoings four decades ago. Proving a negative is difficult with recent events, but with events of four decades ago? Hard to do.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 03:51:32 am
In civil suits the standard is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but a preponderance of evidence. If a jury (always a crapshoot) decided the impassioned accounts of those who claim to be wronged outweigh the denials of a man, the decision can go the other way.

Just look at the people here who are more than willing to throw this man out the door on the basis of WaPo and other liberal outlets' hyperbole, and you get the picture of what a court case could become. It is little different than the court of public opinion without the ability to conclusively prove ones self innocent of alleged wrongdoings four decades ago. Proving a negative is difficult with recent events, but with events of four decades ago? Hard to do.

It isn't proving a negative. Either she worked there when she was 14/15 or she didn't. There should be records/witnesses that can confirm or deny that. A woman who did work there at the time said that no one less than 16 worked there and she never saw Moore there. Either Moore signed the yearbook or he didn't. Experts should be able to prove that with some certainty. Like I've said repeatedly, this is beyond she said/he said. Parts can be confirmed or exposed as a lie. It only takes one of her claims to be proven a lie and it all falls apart.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 22, 2017, 04:10:27 am
It isn't proving a negative. Either she worked there when she was 14/15 or she didn't. There should be records/witnesses that can confirm or deny that. A woman who did work there at the time said that no one less than 16 worked there and she never saw Moore there. Either Moore signed the yearbook or he didn't. Experts should be able to prove that with some certainty. Like I've said repeatedly, this is beyond she said/he said. Parts can be confirmed or exposed as a lie. It only takes one of her claims to be proven a lie and it all falls apart.
Even if it could be shown that she did work there and that he signed the yearbook (despite questions I have about that), that still does not prove that he did any more than visit the restaurant and sign the yearbook.

Yes, disproving the employment (especially) or the signature tend to indicate the rest of her story is bunk, but even the absolute refutation of those aspects does not address the base allegation. It becomes she said/he said, and despite her credibility being severely damaged at that point, there are still those who will believe her (partly because they want to). In order to prevail in civil court, he has to prove innocence, that he did not do what has been claimed, or show she has a good reason to falsify her account, one which the jury would find more credible and compelling than her claims of wrongdoing.

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DB on November 22, 2017, 04:19:39 am
Even if it could be shown that she did work there and that he signed the yearbook (despite questions I have about that), that still does not prove that he did any more than visit the restaurant and sign the yearbook.

Yes, disproving the employment (especially) or the signature tend to indicate the rest of her story is bunk, but even the absolute refutation of those aspects does not address the base allegation. It becomes she said/he said, and despite her credibility being severely damaged at that point, there are still those who will believe her (partly because they want to). In order to prevail in civil court, he has to prove innocence, that he did not do what has been claimed, or show she has a good reason to falsify her account, one which the jury would find more credible and compelling than her claims of wrongdoing.

She made specific claims. Moore made specific claims. One of them is lying. Some of those claims are provable as to being true or false. The one caught in the lie is done.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 04:29:42 am
She made specific claims. Moore made specific claims. One of them is lying. Some of those claims are provable as to being true or false. The one caught in the lie is done.

But does he own Bruno Magli shoes?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 22, 2017, 01:38:23 pm
Yes. But she's made very specific claims with her yearbook as an example of more than "stranger on the street" contact. Like they knew each other and crossed paths frequently at a specific place she worked. Many of those details can be proven one way or the other in court. Did she actually work there when she was 14 or 15? Did Moore ever go to that restaurant? Is that actually Moore's signature? If Moore says its all lies he should go after her hard for making knowingly false serious claims against him. And many of the points can be determined with some accuracy on whether it is true or not.
This isn’t a made for TV justice that can be solved in 15 minutes of one episode. So what’s your rush to judgement?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 22, 2017, 01:44:01 pm
She made specific claims. Moore made specific claims. One of them is lying. Some of those claims are provable as to being true or false. The one caught in the lie is done.
In my opinion it’s probably best for Moore to let the drums die down and focus on the election first, then worry about the lawsuits. With all of the allegations now popping up about Democrats now, the heat is off him.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: thackney on November 22, 2017, 02:05:27 pm
Those who are standing behind the ‘its not illegal’ line should ask themselves a couple questions.  What would your reaction be if a man twice their age asked to date your teenage daughter?  Would you vote for that man 30 years later?

The lines I would draw for:

1) Who I would chase away from my daughters,

2) Who I would vote for, and

3) Who I would demand not be allowed to run in an election.

Those are drastically different lines.  The criteria for one has almost nothing to do with the others.  It seems a strange thought to think they should be the same.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 02:32:41 pm
Those are drastically different lines.  The criteria for one has almost nothing to do with the others.  It seems a strange thought to think they should be the same.

Except for the fact you need to reconcile 1 and 2 in the case of Moore.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: thackney on November 22, 2017, 02:39:08 pm
Except for the fact you need to reconcile 1 and 2 in the case of Moore.

No, the criteria for those lines are still drastically different for me.  Are they the same for you?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 22, 2017, 02:46:10 pm
Except for the fact you need to reconcile 1 and 2 in the case of Moore.

I have utterly no problem at all voting for a man who chased teenagers 40 years ago but by all accounts has remained a faithful husband ever since being married a quarter century ago. None.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 02:56:46 pm
No, the criteria for those lines are still drastically different for me.  Are they the same for you?

@thackney

Seriously?  Why wouldn’t they be?

Remember back in those quaint days of yore, when conservatives insisted that politicians needed to have strong moral character?  Now it’s “Yeah, I might not trust him near my daughter but I think he’d be fine in a position of leadership.”

That can’t end well.  Anyone who thinks it can is desperately delusional.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 03:03:20 pm
I have utterly no problem at all voting for a man who chased teenagers 40 years ago but by all accounts has remained a faithful husband ever since being married a quarter century ago. None.

@skeeter

So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal.  A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem.  Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.

To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 22, 2017, 03:09:21 pm
@skeeter

So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal.  A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem.  Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.

To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.

@CatherineofAragon

Except that you have no proof that any of that actually occurred!  NONE!  All you have is rumor, innuendo, and media lies! 

BTW:  I personally doubt that you have ever voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 22, 2017, 03:11:23 pm
@skeeter

So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal.  A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem.  Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.

To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.

I accept that which he's admitted to and nothing else.

And, since he's led a pretty much exemplary life in the decades since I would have no problem voting for him today.

That shouldn't bother you so much.


Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 03:11:27 pm
I have utterly no problem at all voting for a man who chased teenagers 40 years ago but by all accounts has remained a faithful husband ever since being married a quarter century ago. None.

Thirty years ago, I wouldn’t chase 16 and 17 year olds - and I was 19, not in my 30s.  You sure as hell wouldn’t have seen me at school recitals.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: roamer_1 on November 22, 2017, 03:18:12 pm
Thirty years ago, I wouldn’t chase 16 and 17 year olds - and I was 19, not in my 30s.  You sure as hell wouldn’t have seen me at school recitals.

I went to all kinds of dances and recitals my whole life long. And I frequented the mall when it was 'the thing', because that's where everybody was, not just young girls. If you're not in the bars here, there aren't that many other social forms of excitement.

In fact, it's still that way today.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 22, 2017, 03:19:14 pm
So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal.  A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem.  Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.

To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.

(https://i.imgflip.com/1zjvfi.jpg)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: jpsb on November 22, 2017, 03:26:56 pm
@CatherineofAragon
BTW:  I personally doubt that you have ever voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life!

I am inclined to agree.

I do not believe the Moore accusers, but even if I did, I'd still vote for him. We need
every vote we can get in the Senate.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 22, 2017, 03:38:23 pm
@skeeter

So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal.  A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem.  Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.

To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.

You mean like he used to hang around the restaurant that Betty Young used to work for - except another woman working there at the time says he absolutely didn't?

If he didn't hang out there, I doubt he hung out at the mall either. It's a bogus narrative trying to portray that he had a creepy pattern of behavior, which is a typical liberal hit job tactic.

And you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 22, 2017, 03:41:04 pm
I am inclined to agree.

I do not believe the Moore accusers, but even if I did, I'd still vote for him. We need
every vote we can get in the Senate.

That is highly disturbing.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: thackney on November 22, 2017, 03:48:25 pm
@thackney

Seriously?  Why wouldn’t they be?

Remember back in those quaint days of yore, when conservatives insisted that politicians needed to have strong moral character?  Now it’s “Yeah, I might not trust him near my daughter but I think he’d be fine in a position of leadership.”

That can’t end well.  Anyone who thinks it can is desperately delusional.

My standards for my family are a lot higher than I would expect from any politician.  Or any employee, or any many other choices of people I can accept in their role.  That role is far more limited than my family is to me.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 03:50:08 pm
Or, heaven forbid, you can review the other people that were options and make an adult decision about what you want as a representative.


You can do that before the choices have been whittled down to two.   After that,  you no longer have that option.


This is another iteration of the same argument about the Presidential election.   Once again we get a choice between a great evil and a minor evil,  and people are once again counseling us to be "Penny wise and Pound foolish."   




Love how people who want to bring down the swamp system stay within its paradigms and get trapped in its reasoning.


Non sequitur.   The facts are as they are.   You will either get a real swamp creature if Moore doesn't win,   or you will get someone who is opposed to the swamp,  and to whom the swamp is greatly opposed.   


There is no third option.   
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: jmyrlefuller on November 22, 2017, 03:50:17 pm
@skeeter

So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal.  A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem.  Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.

To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.
I call BS.

The accusations vary widely. The notion that he may have dated teenagers is believable. Moore's wife is herself from the same age range. The notion that he is a sexual predator, given what we know, is not.

- We have only one account of impropriety from after the time Moore was married. The woman accusing Moore in this case was 28 at the time, not a teenager. Furthermore, that woman is friends with Leigh Corfman, whose account is most damning and inconsistent with other accounts of Moore's dating patterns at the time. That raises collusion concerns and calls into question the credibility of both. Most child molesters have proclivities toward that for the rest of their lives, hence why we have Megan's Law in most states. There's no evidence of that with Moore. Corfman is, literally, the only person accusing him of this kind of misconduct.

- Despite the Luther Strange campaign openly searching for stories such as this, they were unable to verify anything, indicating Corfman deliberately withheld her story until after the primary to cause the most possible collateral damage.

Corfman's words have been wholly inconsistent with her actions and show all the hallmarks of a liar.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 03:53:15 pm
Quote
Quote from: edpc on November 21, 2017, 03:39:44 PM

    Those who are standing behind the ‘its not illegal’ line should ask themselves a couple questions.  What would your reaction be if a man twice their age asked to date your teenage daughter?  Would you vote for that man 30 years later?


I swear I've read this exact thing, or something very similar to it, at least 50 times now.  You'll pardon me if I don't respond to it....again.


The question strikes me as being eerily reminiscent of the "would you let your daughter marry one?"   argument of 60 years ago.   

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 22, 2017, 03:54:55 pm
Court Documents Raise Significant Questions About Leigh Corfman’s Accusations Against Roy Moore

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/21/court-documents-raise-significant-questions-leigh-corfmans-accusations-roy-moore/
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 04:02:27 pm


Frankly I'm thinking it may be time to ask to have my account here closed. I just don't want to be associated with the degenerate garbage that have found a welcoming home here.


Judging by the wisdom I have seen so far coming from your direction I would have to say that this quote by  Charles M. Lichenstein   (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/31/world/charles-m-lichenstein-75-american-envoy-at-the-un.html)pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter. 


''We will put no impediment in your way,'' he continued, ''The members of the U.S. mission to the United Nations will be down at the dockside waving you a fond farewell as you sail off into the sunset.''


Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 04:08:05 pm
They could file a lawsuit in a day. He's a lawyer and he's at home among lawyers. If they really believed it was entirely fake evidence they'd be pounding it in the courts seeking heavy damages and in the media. This isn't a he said/she said. There's a claim of evidence on one side and that it is fake evidence on the other. That can be analyzed and a determination of truth made. A real lawsuit has a way of causing reality to set in for those pushing a lie when faced with big fines/prison.

The only reason not to file a lawsuit is because there's truth mixed in there somewhere. Otherwise he'd be on a righteous crusade against Nelson to get justice - as would anyone.



Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread.   It might be emotionally satisfying to serve them with papers immediately,   but If I were a lawyer handling this,   I would want to make d@mn sure I wasn't making a fool move.    Lawsuits take years sometimes,   and a little prudence in nailing down your potential evidence and therefore your claims will preclude a great deal of difficulty later.   


Nobody has a smoking gun.   Moore can't prove they lied anymore than they can prove he did what they claim.   If a smoking gun shows up on either side,  I expect it will result in immediate action. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 04:09:46 pm
Non sequitur.   The facts are as they are.   You will either get a real swamp creature if Moore doesn't win, or you will get someone who is opposed to the swamp,  and to whom the swamp is greatly opposed.

In everyday speech, a non sequitur is a statement in which the final part is totally unrelated to the first part.

A terrible misuse of a word, since Moore has made the swamp part of his campaign platform and you go on to reinforce that.  It’s fine, though.....not the first time someone has used it when they have found themselves (to alter a phrase) hoisted by their own ‘dotard.’
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 04:11:21 pm
Not nearly as hard if you invent stories that can be clearly proven to be a lie. She's made claims about the signing of her yearbook and the location that it took place and that she worked there at the time. Expose one lie and the house cards falls.


I take it you haven't seen the articles about the woman who came forth that says she worked there at that same time and she contradicts the accuser on five different claims?   


Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 04:19:49 pm
That is highly disturbing.


I find it disturbing when people counsel throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   


In the moral triage of the occasion,   we do not let lesser moral concerns override greater moral concerns.   That is foolish.   

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 04:33:26 pm
In everyday speech, a non sequitur is a statement in which the final part is totally unrelated to the first part.


It means "does not follow"  in Latin.   In debate,  a non sequitur (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur) is a sequence or argument that does not support the initial claim. 


When you have to nit-pick the usage and meaning of words,   it's a pretty good indication you don't have a better argument with which to rebut. 

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 22, 2017, 04:41:14 pm

I find it disturbing when people counsel throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   


In the moral triage of the occasion,   we do not let lesser moral concerns override greater moral concerns.   That is foolish.

The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on.  There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 04:44:27 pm
@DiogenesLamp

No, I left out the moral relativism and fact there’s already someone in the seat that can be a write-in, because that’s obvious.

But, I guess you told me...... *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 22, 2017, 04:44:58 pm
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on.  There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.

And rumor and innuendo are sufficient to establish guilt for you as well!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Cripplecreek on November 22, 2017, 04:45:35 pm
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on.  There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.

If its good enough for Mohammad is good enough for Moore and his supporters.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 22, 2017, 04:45:43 pm
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on.  There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.

But Roy swings a bible around so it is all alright.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 22, 2017, 04:49:54 pm
Now that his two biggest accusers, Leigh Corfman and Beverly Young have had their stories completely contradicted, I'd say the issue is pretty much dead.

All there is now is never-Trumpers who wanted to hang their hats on getting Moore - who Trump didn't even endorse - and taking him down. They are just desperately clinging on the words of Gloria Allred and that criminal WaPo hit reporter, playing the dutiful sychophant to scumbag liberals.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: thackney on November 22, 2017, 04:58:26 pm
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on.  There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.

If you would demonstrate where he has been proved guilty of that, I would be glad to join your chorus.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 05:06:04 pm
@CatherineofAragon

Except that you have no proof that any of that actually occurred!  NONE!  All you have is rumor, innuendo, and media lies! 

BTW:  I personally doubt that you have ever voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life!

@Bigun

You're an !EMOTIONAL! !SCREAMY! !LITTLE! !DEVIL!  Aren't you!!!!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: truth_seeker on November 22, 2017, 05:08:48 pm
But does he own Bruno Magli shoes?

Only Kato knows for sure, and he ain't sayin' until somebody starts payin'.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 05:09:43 pm
Now that his two biggest accusers, Leigh Corfman and Beverly Young have had their stories completely contradicted, I'd say the issue is pretty much dead.

All there is now is never-Trumpers who wanted to hang their hats on getting Moore - who Trump didn't even endorse - and taking him down. They are just desperately clinging on the words of Gloria Allred and that criminal WaPo hit reporter, playing the dutiful sychophant to scumbag liberals.

@Free Vulcan

Lol!

Of course, it's aaaaaalllll a big fat zero. 

Going to be interesting when Moore sponsors Take Your Daughter To Work Day in the Senate!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 22, 2017, 05:10:28 pm
@Bigun

You're an !EMOTIONAL! !SCREAMY! !LITTLE! !DEVIL!  Aren't you!!!!

@CatherineofAragon

Yeah!  From your perspective, I suppose I am!

And I note that you failed to deny that you have never voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life which is very telling.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 05:13:18 pm
Here's an early Christmas present for you @Cripplecreek   Simply print and frame for your mantle.

(https://twt-media.washtimes.com/media/image/2017/01/20/Trump_Inauguration_45125.jpg-9563f.jpg)

@Right_in_Virginia

Okay, is it just me, or is it kind of strange to respond to someone with a fan picture from your personal jpg collection?

Print and frame, indeed.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 05:14:54 pm
@Bigun

You're an !EMOTIONAL! !SCREAMY! !LITTLE! !DEVIL!  Aren't you!!!!


(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/yQKP.uRAh0yNQdHi4lXRnQ--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz01NDA-/https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QXHj-8J8ozU/UbNapk6dg0I/AAAAAAAAI0k/Db4XydkPPpw/s0-d/serenity-now_3_approved.jpg.cf.jpg)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 22, 2017, 05:22:41 pm
And rumor and innuendo are sufficient to establish guilt for you as well!

Not at all.  You were not following that conversation close enough to understand what was said and why.  Go back and read my portion of the conversation and I bet you'll change your mind.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 05:23:06 pm
The disturbing part was that someone would vote for a creep guilty of abusing young girls, but if you think that kind of person leading and making laws for our nation is better than any democrat, please carry on.  There's no way to converse that kind of freak show away.

Here we go again.  Your choices are two.   Baby murdering Democrat swamp creature,  or a guy accused of touching and more forceful sexual impropriety 38 years ago.   


Which one do you choose?   

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 05:23:23 pm
But Roy swings a bible around so it is all alright.

Mostly quotes from Dude-eronomy.

Verily, I say to you that nubile babe doth be a smoke show.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 05:24:52 pm
@DiogenesLamp

No, I left out the moral relativism and fact there’s already someone in the seat that can be a write-in, because that’s obvious.

But, I guess you told me...... *****rollingeyes*****


There is no viable "write in".    A "write in"  favors the Baby Murdering Democrat swamp creature.   


You get two choices.  You don't get a third choice. 


You get a frying pan,  or you get a fire.   
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 22, 2017, 05:25:16 pm
If you would demonstrate where he has been proved guilty of that, I would be glad to join your chorus.

Again, like I told @Bigun, you were not following my portion of the conversation closely enough to understand what was being said.  There was a hypothetical "found guilty" and someone saying they would support him anyway to keep a democrat from winning.  I have thought from the beginning that the "ladies" stories were highly suspect in content and timing.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 22, 2017, 05:27:11 pm
Here we go again.  Your choices are two.   Baby murdering Democrat swamp creature,  or a guy accused of touching and more forceful sexual impropriety 38 years ago.   


Which one do you choose?

And here we go again with a change to what was really said in my conversation.  Go.  Read.  Think. Get back to me with your apology.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 22, 2017, 05:27:36 pm
Mostly quotes from Dude-eronomy.

Verily, I say to you that nubile babe doth be a smoke show.

LOL   888high58888
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 05:28:28 pm
@Bigun

You're an !EMOTIONAL! !SCREAMY! !LITTLE! !DEVIL!  Aren't you!!!!


There is more than one of those around here.   Site seems to attract them in the manner of bugs swarming around a porch light. 


All sorts of virtue signaling little crybabies who demand that this cup just pass before them.   

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 05:30:33 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/1zjvfi.jpg)

@Right_in_Virginia

The correct version would be: "After reporters sought you ought, after you  had already told the story years earlier to family, friends, etc."

You know what I find funny, RIV?  (Funny but not surprising).  A few days ago you were a little more cautious on the subject of Moore, not quite going all in.  But when Trump endorsed him, you heard the master's voice and acted accordingly, lol.

You're a good soldier.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 05:31:04 pm

There is more than one of those around here.   Site seems to attract them in the manner of bugs swarming around a porch light. 


All sorts of virtue signaling little crybabies who demand that this cup just pass before them.

@DiogenesLamp

Damn, you got that right.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 05:31:52 pm
The person presently in the seat is a viable write-in.  The Alabama ‘sore loser’ laws preclude him from running as an independent, after his primary loss, but not as a write-in.

What’s worse in your morally relative world:  the potential RINO or potential ephebophile?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 05:32:02 pm
My standards for my family are a lot higher than I would expect from any politician.  Or any employee, or any many other choices of people I can accept in their role.  That role is far more limited than my family is to me.

@thackney

Uh-huh, lol.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 05:34:29 pm
@CatherineofAragon

Yeah!  From your perspective, I suppose I am!

And I note that you failed to deny that you have never voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life which is very telling.

@Bigun

Who in the hell do you think you are, man, that you can demand something from me?  Sit down. 

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 22, 2017, 05:36:06 pm
@Free Vulcan

Lol!

Of course, it's aaaaaalllll a big fat zero. 

Going to be interesting when Moore sponsors Take Your Daughter To Work Day in the Senate!

Yes, the never-Trumpers have their narrative. The king has no clothes, but their minds are made up anyway. And they have witty comebacks and memes, because that makes it all real! Works for college sophomores posting on Facebook, so why not the real world?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 22, 2017, 05:38:15 pm
@CatherineofAragon

Yeah!  From your perspective, I suppose I am!

And I note that you failed to deny that you have never voted for anything other than a Democrat in your life which is very telling.

This is another issue where the two sides are talking past each other. Too much emotion invested for rational discussion - a waste of time.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 05:38:52 pm
And they have witty comebacks and memes, because that makes it all real! Works for college sophomores posting on Facebook, so why not the real world?

Slept through 2016, did ya?
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 05:49:13 pm

You get two choices.  You don't get a third choice. 

@DiogenesLamp

Only if you accept the fallacy that you have to sell your soul and vote for either of them.  You have another choice---abstain and trust the God you give lip service to, unless you think He absolutely can't manage it without your help.

You're letting politicians control you by believing your autonomy goes only as far as they dictate.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 22, 2017, 05:50:23 pm
Court Documents Raise Significant Questions About Leigh Corfman’s Accusations Against Roy Moore

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/21/court-documents-raise-significant-questions-leigh-corfmans-accusations-roy-moore/
"A thorough search of court documents finds one court case in February 1979—a case that took place on February 21, 1979.  The Post failed to tell readers that at that February 21, 1979, court case Wells voluntarily gave up custody of Corfman to Corfman’s father, Robert R. Corfman.  The two had been divorced since 1974.  The custody case was amicable and involved a joint petition by both parents.

The Post further did not tell readers that as a result of the joint petition to change custody, the court ordered the 14-year-old Corfman to move to her father’s house starting on March 4, 1979.  Court documents show the father’s address in Ohatchee, and not in Gadsden, where her mother lived and where Corfman says the meetings with Moore took place.

This would mean that from the court hearing on February 21, 1979, until Corfman was ordered to move to her father’s house, Moore would only have had 12 days, including the day of the court hearing, to have repeatedly called Corfman at her mother’s Gadsden house, arrange two meetings, and attempt another. Moore has strenuously denied the accusations."
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 22, 2017, 05:58:42 pm
Slept through 2016, did ya?

I would think then they would be less likely to use the tactics of those they revile, but apparently not. Hypocrisy doesn't lend more support their case.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 22, 2017, 05:59:10 pm

There is more than one of those around here.   Site seems to attract them in the manner of bugs swarming around a porch light. 


All sorts of virtue signaling little crybabies who demand that this cup just pass before them.

Yeah!  And quite a few who claim to be conservative here but are anything but in reality!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 06:01:51 pm
Yes, the never-Trumpers have their narrative. The king has no clothes, but their minds are made up anyway. And they have witty comebacks and memes, because that makes it all real! Works for college sophomores posting on Facebook, so why not the real world?

@Free Vulcan

Evidently a pastor who knows Moore has a narrative, too.  Moore dated young girls for their "purity."

I guess we dismiss this, too, right?

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,292197.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,292197.0.html)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 06:03:41 pm

(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/yQKP.uRAh0yNQdHi4lXRnQ--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz01NDA-/https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QXHj-8J8ozU/UbNapk6dg0I/AAAAAAAAI0k/Db4XydkPPpw/s0-d/serenity-now_3_approved.jpg.cf.jpg)

@edpc

LOL
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 22, 2017, 06:04:59 pm
This is another issue where the two sides are talking past each other. Too much emotion invested for rational discussion - a waste of time.

To being emotionally invested in this I plead guilty! And on several fronts I might add!  Not just one!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 22, 2017, 06:09:34 pm
To being emotionally invested in this I plead guilty! And on several fronts I might add!  Not just one!

You may find the discussion irritating (as do I) but I believe your POV is rationally based.

Its the other side that is constantly appealing to emotion to make their point.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 06:13:13 pm
You may find the discussion irritating (as do I) but I believe your POV is rationally based.

Its the other side that is constantly appealing to emotion to make their point.

@skeeter

lol
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Bigun on November 22, 2017, 06:13:22 pm
You may find the discussion irritating (as do I) but I believe your POV is rationally based.

Its the other side that is constantly appealing to emotion to make their point.

And there is nothing new in that!  It's as predictable as the sun rising in the East if you have been dealing with liberals for as long as I have been!
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 22, 2017, 06:33:49 pm
@skeeter

lol

Try making your argument against Moore using facts and not implications of being tolerant of child molestors.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 22, 2017, 06:38:36 pm
Try making your argument against Moore using facts and not implications of being tolerant of child molestors.

I'm not sure they can. It's all winky, noddy, insinuation and innuendo games based on feelings and feral vibes and perceptions.

Besides, it's a great vehicle to try and screw Trump, and the agenda is what is important here.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 07:03:58 pm
@DiogenesLamp

Only if you accept the fallacy that you have to sell your soul and vote for either of them.  You have another choice---abstain and trust the God you give lip service to, unless you think He absolutely can't manage it without your help.




A farmer is in Iowa during a flood. The river is overflowing. Water is surrounding the farmer’s home up to his front porch. As he is standing there, a boat comes up. The man in the boat says, “Jump in, and I’ll take you to safety.”

The farmer crosses his arms and says stubbornly, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.” The boat goes away. The water rises to the second story. Another boat comes up. The man says to the farmer, who is now at the second floor window, “Hurry, jump in. I’ll save you.”

The farmer again says, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.”

The boat goes away. Now the water is inching over the roof. As the farmer stands on the roof, a helicopter comes over, and drops a ladder. The pilot yells down to the farmer, “I’ll save you. Climb the ladder.”

The farmer yells back, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.”

The helicopter goes away. The water continues to rise and sweeps the farmer off the roof into the swiftly moving water. Unfortunately, he drowns.

The farmer goes to heaven. God sees him and says, “What are you doing here?”

The farmer says, “I put my trust in you, and you let me down.”

God says, “What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!”



http://www.eftzone.com/2005/02/20/god-sent-the-boats-and-helicopter/
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 07:04:44 pm
And here we go again with a change to what was really said in my conversation.  Go.  Read.  Think. Get back to me with your apology.


It would most likely be insincere.   Are you sure you want it?   


:)
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: jmyrlefuller on November 22, 2017, 07:06:53 pm
@Free Vulcan

Evidently a pastor who knows Moore has a narrative, too.  Moore dated young girls for their "purity."

I guess we dismiss this, too, right?

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,292197.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,292197.0.html)
Would you rather he date white trash? Your vendetta against this guy, resorting to parroting left-wing rags like TPM, is getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 22, 2017, 07:07:31 pm
@Free Vulcan

Evidently a pastor who knows Moore has a narrative, too.  Moore dated young girls for their "purity."




I proffered that theory weeks ago.   I've know fundamentalist types who think like that.   I just assumed Moore was out of that branch of the religious fringe. 


Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 22, 2017, 07:13:09 pm
God says, “What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!”

At first, I thought Moore was the helicopter in this hackneyed parable, but it occurred to me ‘motorboating’ was more apropos.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 07:14:45 pm
Try making your argument against Moore using facts and not implications of being tolerant of child molestors.

@skeeter

You mean like the past week or more?

Dude, at this point Moore could admit to everything and some of you would say he was forced into it, coerced by the Deep State, etc.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 07:15:26 pm
I'm not sure they can. It's all winky, noddy, insinuation and innuendo games based on feelings and feral vibes and perceptions.

Besides, it's a great vehicle to try and screw Trump, and the agenda is what is important here.

@Free Vulcan

I gave you facts on that other thread but all you could do was emote and make up crap. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 07:17:06 pm
Would you rather he date white trash? Your vendetta against this guy, resorting to parroting left-wing rags like TPM, is getting ridiculous.

@jmyrlefuller

If you can't stand condemnation of this pervert, deal with it or block me.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: skeeter on November 22, 2017, 07:19:07 pm
@skeeter

You mean like the past week or more?

Dude, at this point Moore could admit to everything and some of you would say he was forced into it, coerced by the Deep State, etc.

Humor me and lets have a link to your fact-based case. I haven't cruised every Moore thread posted here over the past month. Its a physical impossibility.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 22, 2017, 07:20:30 pm
@Free Vulcan

I gave you facts on that other thread but all you could do was emote and make up crap.

And I gave you real facts that destroyed the narratives of two of the women accusers and you blew them off, but gave me some pastor's musing as 'proof'.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: thackney on November 22, 2017, 07:36:09 pm
@thackney

Uh-huh, lol.

Do you claim you would be glad to have anyone you have ever voted for in your life to be dating your children?

I certainly could not make that claim,
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 08:53:55 pm
Humor me and lets have a link to your fact-based case. I haven't cruised every Moore thread posted here over the past month. Its a physical impossibility.

@skeeter

And it's just as much of one for me to rehash every post I've made on the subject.  You can check out my history.

Or you can go to almost any number of conservative sites on the internet for the facts of the case.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 22, 2017, 08:57:01 pm

God says, “What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!”


God will never, ever send you a baby killing leftist and a pervert who molests children and expect you to side with either of them.  You should apologize to Him for implying it.

You're not very good at this.

@DiogenesLamp
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 23, 2017, 12:53:31 am
@skeeter

So a man in his thirties hanging around malls to meet teenagers is normal.  A man in his thirties who hung around teen girls’ recitals—-no problem.  Okay, it seems you’ve accepted he did that, and that the accounts are true.

To believe that, and none of the rest, is just picking and choosing because you want to be able to justify supporting Moore.
@CatherineofAragon Today? No, it would not be considered normal today. Neither would be: not having an e-mail, or not having a cell phone, or a car with no seat belts or air bags, driving on bias ply tires, or going without some version of cable/satellite/streaming television, or not having internet access, or enough knowledge of a computer to write a letter on it and print it out, or a heck of a lot of other things.

But all of that was science fiction in 1977. Every damned bit of it. The hand calculator had just reached affordability for the average college student, and the programmable calculator was still a wet dream item for the guys who still used their slide rules. Computers were mainframes for Big banks, insurance companies, and Government, and were fed information with punch cards, magnetic tape, or punched paper tape.

But after graduating West Point, two tours in the US Army, and law school, in 1977 there were not many single and suitable thirty somethings in the marketplace, so to speak. The expression "The good ones are all taken" applied, at least by 32. How many single (not divorced) eligible women were there in his age group? How would he meet any of them (remember this is a guy who didn't drink, so 'clubbing' is out, not to mention a 'dry' county).
Well, as a male who was still single in his late twenties, you go where the women are. He went to community events (like football games), he went to the shopping mall, church socials, he spoke with single ladies, he even (EGADS!) asked them out in their place of employment--because that is where he met them. They were free to say "No.", just as they are today--that hasn't changed.
Judging from the ambiguous replies a man could (and still can) get from a woman who has piqued his interest when he asks for a date, asking two or three times before the guy finally figures out she genuinely is not interested is not so unusual.
 
I have been over the demographics that would compel a man of 30 to look at prospects in their late teens.

Let's step into his age group and back in time....
Many states had drinking laws which permitted beer and wine consumption at 18, and eighteen year-olds could vote. The idea was that if you were old enough to hump a ruck and carry a rifle in a far off rice paddy or jungle, or drive a tank, or fly a helicopter, you could have a beer when you got home. Because of that awareness, though, of life and death having recently been poured into your living room with the evening news, and with the confrontation of the very real prospects not so long ago of your number coming up in the draft lottery, with all that implied for people in that age group, I think we were looking at a more mature group of teenagers. Even after the lottery stopped, seeing older siblings sweat the draft or decide whether to enlist or waiting for them to come home still stuck with their younger kin. It was, for many, a more sober time. 
I know the work we did, just in our summer jobs was a 'man's work', not limited by all the protectionist laws of today that restrict who can run a deep fryer. Many of us, too young to be in the service, were instead involved in Volunteer Fire Departments and Rescue Squads, not as 'junior members', but as firefighters and EMS. There were 96 students in my High School graduating class and members of five different fire departments in the class, for instance.
We had worked to stabilize and extricate quite a few accident victims by our 18th birthday, some of whom were friends. Some, through no fault of ours just did not make it despite the new SOP of stabilizing the worst traumas and flying them out by helicopter from the scene to ShockTrauma at Johns Hopkins. Four miles of one highway in our first-due area killed an average of twenty people every six months. Every High School yearbook had its memorial pages for those who died in car accidents or got wrapped up in a piece of farm machinery or who had to be fished out after a boating accident. Life was dangerous and we knew it, and we didn't run around shooting at each other or do hard drugs.
 
By 1977, all the Mary Janes had sent their Dear Johns out years ago and hooked up with some 4F or feather merchant or college deferment (hippie?) while 'that guy' was off wherever the Army sent him. Some even waited for their guy to come home, and some of them couldn't deal with how service had changed him, often with his inability to find things they thought to be earth shaking as irrelevant or ridiculously superficial. A small percentage of them got married and raised families according to the original plan.

Some of the guys who had gone overseas courtesy of Uncle Sam were back home going to college on the GI Bill, and (gadzooks!) dating young ladies in their teens (17-18-19 year-olds being in college). Not a few were only in their mid twenties, but they hadn't gone to West Point, either. There were grad students in college dating underclassmen as well. Tut-tut!  :nono: Robbing the cradle! What's the difference between a Law Student and a Lawyer? A few tests and final grades; a sheepskin and a paycheck.

Those who tried to wait, tried to get back together, and could not make things work found someone else, but usually years before a guy going into law school graduated. After all, Moore had West Point (4 years), two tours in the Army (six more), Law School (three more years) before he was back in the community.
 
Some had married and were raising their families, and not available--at least to any man who respects the sanctity of marriage. Divorcees (and there were likely a few around) had the basic social stigma of divorce around them (there still was that, then), but also often had 'issues' and deep resentments left over from a failed marriage, regardless of the cause of the failure. Between the Pill, 'free love', no-fault divorce, and the ERA, the environment for a man seeking to start a family got fairly toxic in that time period. A radio overflowing with cheating heart songs and 'love the one you're with' rock and roll didn't help, either.

Why the great insistence he prospect for a mate in the minefield of his age group instead of look into the (legal) young ladies in his community? This was a different America, not today. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: RoosGirl on November 23, 2017, 01:22:56 am

It would most likely be insincere.   Are you sure you want it?   


:)

Then you're lazy and not really interested in having an honest conversation.  In that case I've got zero bleep to give about what you have to say on any subject.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 23, 2017, 01:35:17 am
@CatherineofAragon Today? No, it would not be considered normal today. Neither would be: not having an e-mail, or not having a cell phone, or a car with no seat belts or air bags, driving on bias ply tires, or going without some version of cable/satellite/streaming television, or not having internet access, or enough knowledge of a computer to write a letter on it and print it out, or a heck of a lot of other things.

But all of that was science fiction in 1977. Every damned bit of it. The hand calculator had just reached affordability for the average college student, and the programmable calculator was still a wet dream item for the guys who still used their slide rules. Computers were mainframes for Big banks, insurance companies, and Government, and were fed information with punch cards, magnetic tape, or punched paper tape.

But after graduating West Point, two tours in the US Army, and law school, in 1977 there were not many single and suitable thirty somethings in the marketplace, so to speak. The expression "The good ones are all taken" applied, at least by 32. How many single (not divorced) eligible women were there in his age group? How would he meet any of them (remember this is a guy who didn't drink, so 'clubbing' is out, not to mention a 'dry' county).
Well, as a male who was still single in his late twenties, you go where the women are. He went to community events (like football games), he went to the shopping mall, church socials, he spoke with single ladies, he even (EGADS!) asked them out in their place of employment--because that is where he met them. They were free to say "No.", just as they are today--that hasn't changed.
Judging from the ambiguous replies a man could (and still can) get from a woman who has piqued his interest when he asks for a date, asking two or three times before the guy finally figures out she genuinely is not interested is not so unusual.
 
I have been over the demographics that would compel a man of 30 to look at prospects in their late teens.

Let's step into his age group and back in time....
Many states had drinking laws which permitted beer and wine consumption at 18, and eighteen year-olds could vote. The idea was that if you were old enough to hump a ruck and carry a rifle in a far off rice paddy or jungle, or drive a tank, or fly a helicopter, you could have a beer when you got home. Because of that awareness, though, of life and death having recently been poured into your living room with the evening news, and with the confrontation of the very real prospects not so long ago of your number coming up in the draft lottery, with all that implied for people in that age group, I think we were looking at a more mature group of teenagers. Even after the lottery stopped, seeing older siblings sweat the draft or decide whether to enlist or waiting for them to come home still stuck with their younger kin. It was, for many, a more sober time. 
I know the work we did, just in our summer jobs was a 'man's work', not limited by all the protectionist laws of today that restrict who can run a deep fryer. Many of us, too young to be in the service, were instead involved in Volunteer Fire Departments and Rescue Squads, not as 'junior members', but as firefighters and EMS. There were 96 students in my High School graduating class and members of five different fire departments in the class, for instance.
We had worked to stabilize and extricate quite a few accident victims by our 18th birthday, some of whom were friends. Some, through no fault of ours just did not make it despite the new SOP of stabilizing the worst traumas and flying them out by helicopter from the scene to ShockTrauma at Johns Hopkins. Four miles of one highway in our first-due area killed an average of twenty people every six months. Every High School yearbook had its memorial pages for those who died in car accidents or got wrapped up in a piece of farm machinery or who had to be fished out after a boating accident. Life was dangerous and we knew it, and we didn't run around shooting at each other or do hard drugs.
 
By 1977, all the Mary Janes had sent their Dear Johns out years ago and hooked up with some 4F or feather merchant or college deferment (hippie?) while 'that guy' was off wherever the Army sent him. Some even waited for their guy to come home, and some of them couldn't deal with how service had changed him, often with his inability to find things they thought to be earth shaking as irrelevant or ridiculously superficial. A small percentage of them got married and raised families according to the original plan.

Some of the guys who had gone overseas courtesy of Uncle Sam were back home going to college on the GI Bill, and (gadzooks!) dating young ladies in their teens (17-18-19 year-olds being in college). Not a few were only in their mid twenties, but they hadn't gone to West Point, either. There were grad students in college dating underclassmen as well. Tut-tut!  :nono: Robbing the cradle! What's the difference between a Law Student and a Lawyer? A few tests and final grades; a sheepskin and a paycheck.

Those who tried to wait, tried to get back together, and could not make things work found someone else, but usually years before a guy going into law school graduated. After all, Moore had West Point (4 years), two tours in the Army (six more), Law School (three more years) before he was back in the community.
 
Some had married and were raising their families, and not available--at least to any man who respects the sanctity of marriage. Divorcees (and there were likely a few around) had the basic social stigma of divorce around them (there still was that, then), but also often had 'issues' and deep resentments left over from a failed marriage, regardless of the cause of the failure. Between the Pill, 'free love', no-fault divorce, and the ERA, the environment for a man seeking to start a family got fairly toxic in that time period. A radio overflowing with cheating heart songs and 'love the one you're with' rock and roll didn't help, either.

Why the great insistence he prospect for a mate in the minefield of his age group instead of look into the (legal) young ladies in his community? This was a different America, not today.

@Smokin Joe

I know that's the line his pastor friend is using, but a thirty year old trolling for young girls in places they hang out was no more normal then than it is now.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: WingNot on November 23, 2017, 01:42:01 am
@Smokin Joe

I know that's the line his pastor friend is using, but a thirty year old trolling for young girls in places they hang out was no more normal then than it is now.

I am no fan of Mr Moore since he is member of the fascist party.   But you do seem to have a serious issue with him.  You must have father daughter issues haunting you.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: edpc on November 23, 2017, 02:32:07 am
You must have father daughter issues haunting you.

Dude......... **nononono*
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 23, 2017, 03:13:14 am
I am no fan of Mr Moore since he is member of the fascist party.   But you do seem to have a serious issue with him.  You must have father daughter issues haunting you.

@WineNot

I have a real serious issue with perverts who molest children.  Maybe you should self-reflect a little and ask yourself why you’re so eager to make excuses for one. 

Not many posters are openly condemning Moore and I plan to keep it up.  I really don’t care who finds it obnoxious.

FTR, my father was a military veteran who would have put you on the floor for that remark and sent you crying to your mama.  I’m pretty sure he was several times the man you are.   

But personally it’s interesting to see how low conservatives will go to defend Moore.  Keep going.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 23, 2017, 03:37:21 am
@WineNot

I have a real serious issue with perverts who molest children.  Maybe you should self-reflect a little and ask yourself why you’re so eager to make excuses for one. 

Not many posters are openly condemning Moore and I plan to keep it up.  I really don’t care who finds it obnoxious.

FTR, my father was a military veteran who would have put you on the floor for that remark and sent you crying to your mama.  I’m pretty sure he was several times the man you are.   

But personally it’s interesting to see how low conservatives will go to defend Moore.  Keep going.

Not me, I am in total agreement with you.  He is a pervert.  I don't find it interesting though I find it disgusting that Conservatives and Christians will go so low.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 23, 2017, 04:48:24 am
@WineNot

I have a real serious issue with perverts who molest children.  Maybe you should self-reflect a little and ask yourself why you’re so eager to make excuses for one. 

Not many posters are openly condemning Moore and I plan to keep it up.  I really don’t care who finds it obnoxious.

FTR, my father was a military veteran who would have put you on the floor for that remark and sent you crying to your mama.  I’m pretty sure he was several times the man you are.   

But personally it’s interesting to see how low conservatives will go to defend Moore.  Keep going.
Let me try to spell this out for you. At 17 I was a Second Lieutenant in a Volunteer Fire Dept., had EMT-A, Red Cross Standard and Advanced First Aid, was CPR certified, and was trained in Basic and Intermediate Firemanship, Structural Firefighting, use of breathing apparatus, and Flammable Gases and Liquids Firefighting through the University of Maryland Fire extension service.  I was a member of the Parish Council in my church, and a lector. Later that year, I went to College, where I turned 18.

In the days before mandatory Kindergarten, many of us started the first grade and did so when we were 5, so long as we would turn 6 before the end of that calendar year. I could have graduated High School early but chose not to because being a 16 year old in college would have had its complications, and frankly, I liked the High School I graduated from. I could actually learn at that one, and was encouraged to.

But in 1977, just a few years later, many of those I knew were much the same, had jobs, etc. It wasn't uncommon for a young lady to go from a May graduation to a June wedding. People were more mature, and 17 year-olds were not children, except in the sense of voting, drinking, or signing a contract, and weeks to months from that.

None of us approves of child molestation. There is exactly one person who has made such assertions of him having contact with her when she was a minor, and her story is full of holes big enough to drive a bus through. All other claimants were of legal age.

Three of those have said nothing untoward happened (as in nothing sexual), but they are being thrown in as if they had been forced to have conjugal relations.

One said he 'repeatedly asked her for dates'. Oh, the horror!
What did she say? Did she finally reply with a solid "no" or was it all "Sorry, I have plans." (Guys are notoriously bad for 'getting' girltalk codespeak--just spell it out and we'll move on.)

What I find distressing is the (predominantly) feminine rush to judgement and howling for heads on pikes when the facts are fuzzy at best, and possibly completely contrived. I must note that those complaining the loudest have shown support for the Democrat, too, not just a different Republican.

In the end, the people of Alabama will decide whether they find the allegations credible, if they believe that a man who would lose his job to keep the Ten Commandments posted, who would again lose his job to stand up for the Amendment (passed by 81% of Alabama voters) to the Constitution of the State of Alabama defining marriage as between one man and one woman, and has not been alleged to have been unfaithful to his wife since they were wed, was the sort of person who would be out imposing himself on an underage girl 40 years ago.

Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 23, 2017, 05:05:11 am
Let me try to spell this out for you. At 17 I was a Second Lieutenant in a Volunteer Fire Dept., had EMT-A, Red Cross Standard and Advanced First Aid, was CPR certified, and was trained in Basic and Intermediate Firemanship, Structural Firefighting, use of breathing apparatus, and Flammable Gases and Liquids Firefighting through the University of Maryland Fire extension service.  I was a member of the Parish Council in my church, and a lector. Later that year, I went to College, where I turned 18.

In the days before mandatory Kindergarten, many of us started the first grade and did so when we were 5, so long as we would turn 6 before the end of that calendar year. I could have graduated High School early but chose not to because being a 16 year old in college would have had its complications, and frankly, I liked the High School I graduated from. I could actually learn at that one, and was encouraged to.

But in 1977, just a few years later, many of those I knew were much the same, had jobs, etc. It wasn't uncommon for a young lady to go from a May graduation to a June wedding. People were more mature, and 17 year-olds were not children, except in the sense of voting, drinking, or signing a contract, and weeks to months from that.

None of us approves of child molestation. There is exactly one person who has made such assertions of him having contact with her when she was a minor, and her story is full of holes big enough to drive a bus through. All other claimants were of legal age.

Three of those have said nothing untoward happened (as in nothing sexual), but they are being thrown in as if they had been forced to have conjugal relations.

One said he 'repeatedly asked her for dates'. Oh, the horror!
What did she say? Did she finally reply with a solid "no" or was it all "Sorry, I have plans." (Guys are notoriously bad for 'getting' girltalk codespeak--just spell it out and we'll move on.)

What I find distressing is the (predominantly) feminine rush to judgement and howling for heads on pikes when the facts are fuzzy at best, and possibly completely contrived. I must note that those complaining the loudest have shown support for the Democrat, too, not just a different Republican.

In the end, the people of Alabama will decide whether they find the allegations credible, if they believe that a man who would lose his job to keep the Ten Commandments posted, who would again lose his job to stand up for the Amendment (passed by 81% of Alabama voters) to the Constitution of the State of Alabama defining marriage as between one man and one woman, and has not been alleged to have been unfaithful to his wife since they were wed, was the sort of person who would be out imposing himself on an underage girl 40 years ago.

@Smokin Joe

Thanks, but I don’t need anything spelled out.

“Feminine rush to judgment”—-you might want to consider broadening your scope of information.  There are a lot of conservative news sources doing some level-headed, honest reporting, and they’re not feminine, so you might find them more credible.

As for my own personal “rush to judgment”, I’ve repeatedly reminded some posters of my initiall point of view ( the latest, just today) but it will continue to be ignored so there’s no point.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Silver Pines on November 23, 2017, 05:09:11 am
Not me, I am in total agreement with you.  He is a pervert.  I don't find it interesting though I find it disgusting that Conservatives and Christians will go so low.

@Chosen Daughter

In my opinion, it started when conservatives embraced Trump.  I didn’t think it would get better but it’s headed downhill a lot faster than I expected.
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 23, 2017, 06:27:08 am
@Chosen Daughter

In my opinion, it started when conservatives embraced Trump.  I didn’t think it would get better but it’s headed downhill a lot faster than I expected.

It did.  You are absolutely correct.  No limit.

I remember wondering what Christians saw in a guy who made a habit of doing Howard Stern interviews and talking slime.  Even talking about his own daughter in a sexual manner in front of an audience that gets their sexual jollies listening to Stern and his guests.  No boundaries anymore.  No expectation of moral character. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore’s Accusers’ Stories Getting Shaky, Moore Team Planning Lawsuit
Post by: TomSea on November 23, 2017, 11:52:37 am
Before one gets too upset at the "new" member,  I must say it occurred to me,  there are just two letters in their screenname that differ from the word "wingnut".  Maybe it means nothing at all.