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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: libertybele on May 13, 2023, 10:33:21 pm
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DeSantis in Iowa Warns of GOP ‘Culture of Losing' as Weather Sidelines Trump's Event in the State DeSantis in Iowa Warns of GOP ‘Culture of Losing' as Weather Sidelines Trump's Event in the State
Warning of a Republican “culture of losing,” Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sought Saturday to weaken former President Donald Trump's grip on the GOP as he courted voters in battleground Iowa.
DeSantis, expected to announce his 2024 presidential campaign any day, briefly flipped burgers and pork chops at a picnic fundraiser in Sioux Center that drew hundred conservatives to the northwest corner of the state. At the podium, he highlighted his willingness to embrace conservative cultural fights and sprinkled his remarks with indirect jabs at Trump.
“Governing is not about entertaining. Governing is not about building a brand or talking on social media and virtue signaling,” said DeSantis, who wore a blue button-down shirt without a tie or jacket. “It’s ultimately about winning and producing results.”
Trump, a candidate since November, had hoped to demonstrate his political strength with a large outdoor rally in Des Moines, the capital, later in the day, but he canceled the event due to a tornado warning.
Voters in the state are sizing up DeSantis and Trump, two Republican powerhouses who are among a half dozen GOP candidates already in the race or expected to announce imminently. Trump is well ahead of his rivals in early national polls, while DeSantis is viewed widely as the strongest potential challenger.
Trump was hoping to return to the comfort of the campaign stage after a tumultuous week..........
................DeSantis has burnished his reputation as a conservative governor willing to push hard for conservative policies and even take on a political fight with Disney, which he highlighted in Sioux Center. But so far, he hasn't shown the same zest for taking on Trump, who has been almost singularly focused on tearing down DeSantis for months.
On Saturday, DeSantis avoided Trump's legal entanglements or his falsehoods about the 2020 election, but he highlighted the GOP’s recent string of electoral losses. He did not say it explicitly, but the Republican Party has struggled in every national election since Trump's 2016 victory. ....................
https://apnews.com/article/trump-desantis-iowa-2024-c2d56a9fec898b90614864904fc1bedb
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Every time DeSantis speaks in public, he loses another swath of MAGA voters -- for life.
This is beginning to please me. happy77
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Meatball Ron will only appeal to those who have already decided to not vote for Trump in the GOP Primary.
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Meatball Ron will only appeal to those who have already decided to not vote for Trump in the GOP Primary.
Ummm
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Meatball Ron will only appeal to those who have already decided to not vote for Trump in the GOP Primary.
Why the nickname "Meatball"?
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Meatball Ron will only appeal to those who have already decided to not vote for Trump in the GOP Primary.
Maybe
And Trump doesn't appeal to anyone outside his MAGA base so good bye 2024, at least on the presidential level
MAGAs won't vote for RDS and conservatives won't vote for Trump
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DeSantis gets things done. Trump only feeds his own ego. Who you gonna vote for, someone who gets things done, or someone who failed the last time he was president?
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Why the nickname "Meatball"?
An Italian slur?
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DeSantis gets things done. Trump only feeds his own ego. Who you gonna vote for, someone who gets things done, or someone who failed the last time he was president?
But...but...Trump was cheated so we just has to support him because it's owed to him, you know just like when Hitlary whined because it was supposed to be her turn? We are not even supposed to listen to any other CONSERVATIVE because they are just liars, cheats, ingrates, fill in the blank, the fear is that great from Trump supporters. Personally I want to hear from everyone and there should be debates between them, if Trump has the best ideas he should have no trouble proving that in a debate. I don't care what anybody thinks someone is owed, being owed is something liberals say, the nomination for the Presidency needs to be earned every damn time.
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An Italian slur?
That's number 3 on the list of top guesses, although not defined further.
#2 is short and pudgy
#1 is stupid, dull
And, no, Trump doesn't refer to Ron as "meatball" ---- although the same cannot be said of meme world. Trump's sticking with DeSanctimonious.
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That's number 3 on the list of top guesses, although not defined further.
#2 is short and pudgy
#1 is stupid, dull
And, no, Trump doesn't refer to Ron as "meatball" ---- although the same cannot be said of meme world. Trump's sticking with DeSanctimonious.
(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/e48/6bb/8df1d477f24d8526707b18cf1ef26cc3d9-21-meatball-ron.w710.png)
Yeah pretty tired of Trump's childish name calling on the political level he is on, but hey I guess his supporters eat up that level of maturity.
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Yeah pretty tired of Trump's childish name calling on the political level he is on
Wow, I'm surprised to hear this ----- you've hidden it so well until now. 88devil
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Wow, I'm surprised to hear this ----- you've hidden it so well until now. 88devil
Yeah, almost but not quite as well as your bias :yowsa:
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Yeah, almost but not quite as well as your bias
Lighten up. :laugh:
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DeSantis in Iowa Warns of GOP ‘Culture of Losing' as Weather Sidelines Trump's Event in the State DeSantis in Iowa Warns of GOP ‘Culture of Losing' as Weather Sidelines Trump's Event in the State
“Governing is not about entertaining. Governing is not about building a brand or talking on social media and virtue signaling,” said DeSantis, who wore a blue button-down shirt without a tie or jacket. “It’s ultimately about winning and producing results.”
That has to be DeSantis' message, and he's got to hammer it home. One of the things they're going to have to go after at some point is the massive disconnect between Trump's own claims of "I only hire the best people", and all the people Trump himself has trashed after he himself put them in his Administration. The theme has to be that Trump is a big talker who doesn't really deliver.
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Every time DeSantis speaks in public, he loses another swath of MAGA voters -- for life.
This is beginning to please me. happy77
You seem to inhabit the same fantasy dimension as Karine Jean-Pierre.
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This right here:
https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1657455315464474625
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You seem to inhabit the same fantasy dimension as Karine Jean-Pierre.
Apparently she is connected to every MAGA voter in America and they speak every day :silly: I don't think she has any idea of how many people, and yes MAGA voters, are tired of Trump's BS schtick. My 91 year old mother who escaped communism voted for Trump twice and was on board to vote for him again is now telling me how much she is impressed with DeSantis and how much she likes him. It's funny what happens when there are viable alternatives to Trump :pondering:
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Why the nickname "Meatball"?
Because he's Italian, right? See how clever that is? I'm sure they'd start calling Tim Scott "Watermelon" if he started to gain ground.
Ha-ha. Those MAGA folks are just so funny, aren't they?
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Maybe
And Trump doesn't appeal to anyone outside his MAGA base so good bye 2024, at least on the presidential level
MAGAs won't vote for RDS and conservatives won't vote for Trump
I think that's probably right. Fortunately, that means Trump will be an irrelevancy after the election, which means we'll have a shot at rebuilding actual conservativism without that nasty orange stain.
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Because he's Italian, right? See how clever that is? I'm sure they'd start calling Tim Scott "Watermelon" if he started to gain ground.
Ha-ha. Those MAGA folks are just so funny, aren't they?
I think that's probably right. Fortunately, that means Trump will be an irrelevancy after the election, which means we'll have a shot at rebuilding actual conservativism without that nasty orange stain.
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I think that's probably right. Fortunately, that means Trump will be an irrelevancy after the election, which means we'll have a shot at rebuilding actual conservativism without that nasty orange stain.
That is very likely. Had he stayed out, he might have been a kingmaker the rest of his days.
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That is very likely. Had he stayed out, he might have been a kingmaker the rest of his days.
Would have been much more likely.
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I think that's probably right. Fortunately, that means Trump will be an irrelevancy after the election, which means we'll have a shot at rebuilding actual conservativism without that nasty orange stain.
Rebuild? Where are your voters going to come from?
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Rebuild? Where are your voters going to come from?
Do you really think that there are enough MAGA voters to help Trump win a national election? Let me help you, there isn't.
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Do you really think that there are enough MAGA voters to help Trump win a national election? Let me help you, there isn't.
Victory will come from a coalition including MAGA and working class Trump Independents and Democrats.
As to my question about where "connservatives" will find the voters to rebuild: if they lose in the Republican Party, they no longer have a meaningful base.
I've been saying for years rather than preach, denigrate and wait for total collapse, "conservatives" would be wise to hold their own Council of Trent to unravel why they repel voters ---- and, hopefully, find a remedy.
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Rebuild? Where are your voters going to come from?
The thing with populists... A mile wide, but an inch deep - They always go running off to the new shiny thing. Don't be amazed when you find out your true believers are few.
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Victory will come from a coalition including MAGA and working class Trump Independents and Democrats.
As to my question about where "connservatives" will find the voters to rebuild: if they lose in the Republican Party, they no longer have a meaningful base.
I've been saying for years rather than preach, denigrate and wait for total collapse, "conservatives" would be wise to hold their own Council of Trent to unravel why they repel voters ---- and, hopefully, find a remedy.
Go look. TEA far outweighed Tumpy. With far more success.
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The thing with populists... A mile wide, but an inch deep - They always go running off to the new shiny thing. Don't be amazed when you find out your true believers are few.
As to my question about where "connservatives" will find the voters to rebuild: if they lose in the Republican Party, they no longer have a meaningful base.
I've been saying for years rather than preach, denigrate and wait for total collapse, "conservatives" would be wise to hold their own Council of Trent to unravel why they repel voters ---- and, hopefully, find a remedy.
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Victory will come from a coalition including MAGA and working class Trump Independents and Democrats.
As to my question about where "connservatives" will find the voters to rebuild: if they lose in the Republican Party, they no longer have a meaningful base.
I've been saying for years rather than preach, denigrate and wait for total collapse, "conservatives" would be wise to hold their own Council of Trent to unravel why they repel voters ---- and, hopefully, find a remedy.
Not enough.
What about RDS supporters? Do you think they are going to vote for Trump?
What about the Independents? Do you think they are going to vote for Trump?
What about the Female voters? Do you think they are going to vote for Trump?
What about the College educated voters? Do you think they are going to vote for Trump?
You don't win elections by selecting a few groups. You win elections to GET EVERYONE to vote for you. Reagan would be a good example.
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That is very likely. Had he stayed out, he might have been a kingmaker the rest of his days.
Good point - he could have had a fantastic role as sort of the Kingmaker/elder. He'd have become very popular within the party as a whole. That would have been true regardless of whether the GOP nominee won or lost in 2024.
But if he loses in 2024 either in the primary or the general election...what's he got left? A failed political movement that - protestations aside - is dependent entirely on his personal charisma. He'll still be in a bunch of legal peril, and everyone in the GOP who isn't an ardent Trumper would blame him for the loss.
But his ego was just too damn big.
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The thing with populists... A mile wide, but an inch deep - They always go running off to the new shiny thing. Don't be amazed when you find out your true believers are few.
:thumbsup:
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Not enough.
What about RDS supporters? Do you think they are going to vote for Trump?
What about the Independents? Do you think they are going to vote for Trump?
What about the Female voters? Do you think they are going to vote for Trump?
What about the College educated voters? Do you think they are going to vote for Trump?
You don't win elections by selecting a few groups. You win elections to GET EVERYONE to vote for you. Reagan would be a good example.
The idea that there’s going to be all these Democrats and independents that are going to make up the loss of conservatives and carry Trump over the finish line is a pipe dream that MAGAs have, but that’s not backed by history.
And the so-called Reagan Democrats have pretty much have all died off.
If polling is accurate, Trump’s MAGA movement is the most unpopular group in this country. They’re hoping that the suffering gets so great under Biden, that those voters will have no choice but to vote for Donald Trump and that could happen, but why would you want to wish suffering upon your fellow Americans?
And I’m not claiming that Ron DeSantis would make a difference with any of these groups that you’ve listed. But we know for sure Donald Trump does not appeal to people outside his MAGA base
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Go look. TEA far outweighed Tumpy. With far more success.
Well, then it's damn near politically criminal that there wasn't leadership within the Tea Party with the courage to stay the course and fight instead of folding and disbanding.
Those Tea Party patriots waited for a leader with the courage and commitment to be their voice and fight for and with them. They found him in Donald Trump.
I'll cut to the chase here: I don't care that you don't believe this and consider it blasphemy. I know MAGA much better than do you.
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If polling is accurate, Trump’s MAGA movement is the most unpopular group in this country. They’re hoping that the suffering gets so great under Biden, that those voters will have no choice but to vote for Donald Trump and that could happen, but why would you want to wish suffering upon your fellow Americans?
The sad part is, from the Left, they look like conservatives... Just like from the left, the moderate wing NEOCONs look like conservatives.
When they dissipate, as they always do, we'll get to take the blame. *****rollingeyes*****
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Well, then it's damn near politically criminal that there wasn't leadership within the Tea Party with the courage to stay the course and fight instead of folding and disbanding.
There was. His name was Cruz.
And they haven't folded or disbanded. I still have regular meetings - Albeit every few months now - It's all still there... Waiting.
Those Tea Party patriots waited for a leader with the courage and commitment to be their voice and fight for and with them. They found him in Donald Trump.
Nothing really fits here except:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! hee... heee... BWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Heh... hee hee, heh... snicker.. snort!
That's a knee-slapper there. Taxed Enough Already = A fiscal centered small government movement straight out of the Libertarians found a savior in Tumpy.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'll cut to the chase here: I don't care that you don't believe this and consider it blasphemy. I know MAGA much better than do you.
Riiiight. :silly:
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I know MAGA much better than do you.
Do you know the MAGA voters who recognize that Donald Trump is not the candidate who will make America great again? I certainly could have done without all the cash payouts during Covid, the elimination of property rights of those renting property, a free pass on paying back student loans, and hearing Dr. Fauci every day filling the airwaves with lies as he continued making the highest salary in government with impunity after all the laws he broke. MAGA? You don't know jack.
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Oh, and yeah... What happened was damn near criminal. *****rollingeyes*****
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Those Tea Party patriots waited for a leader with the courage and commitment to be their voice and fight for and with them. They found him in Donald Trump.
This would be the same Donald Trump who whipped out his checkbook in 2014 and stroked a big fat one with lots of zeroes to Swamp Rat Mitch McConnell to defeat his TEA Party opponent.
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Lighten up. :laugh:
You've cornered the marker on Trump Bias. Your 365/24/7 Trump love is the absolute of predictable. Still wish I knew how much you are getting paid, for this level of consistence.
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I'll cut to the chase here: I don't care that you don't believe this and consider it blasphemy. I know MAGA much better than do you.
MAGA is Baby Bonuses, Freedom Cities, and Jetson Cars? Dang that MAGA budgetary train sure got off track didn't it?
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Go look. TEA far outweighed Tumpy. With far more success.
^^^ This
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You've cornered the marker on Trump Bias. Your 365/24/7 Trump love is the absolute of predictable. Still wish I knew how much you are getting paid, for this level of consistence.
:thumbsup:
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I've been saying for years rather than preach, denigrate and wait for total collapse, "conservatives" would be wise to hold their own Council of Trent to unravel why they repel voters ---- and, hopefully, find a remedy.
But they don't "repel voters". Conservatives have won in a bunch of places. And if we ran a real conservative now, going up against Dementia Joe, we'd likely not only win the White House, but take Congress as well.
Instead, we may have Trump.
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But they don't "repel voters". Conservatives have won in a bunch of places. And if we ran a real conservative now, going up against Dementia Joe, we'd likely not only win the White House, but take Congress as well.
Instead, we may have Trump.
Well, Desantis did carry the blue areas of Florida after 4 years of conservative leadership and results, despite Trump's claim of a failed state under that conservative leadership, so maybe the MAGA claim of repelling voters is BS. :shrug:
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So maybe the MAGA claim of repelling voters is BS.
This wasn't a MAGA claim, this was my personal opinion, and expressed as such @LMAO You intentionally lie, making you a man who cannot be trusted, an abject disgrace. **nononono*
As to my question about where "connservatives" will find the voters to rebuild: if they lose in the Republican Party, they no longer have a meaningful base.
I've been saying for years rather than preach, denigrate and wait for total collapse, "conservatives" would be wise to hold their own Council of Trent to unravel why they repel voters ---- and, hopefully, find a remedy.
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This wasn't a MAGA claim, this was my personal opinion, and expressed as such @LMAO You intentionally lie, making you a man who cannot be trusted, an abject disgrace. **nononono*
Well, you consider yourself MAGA, you made the claim, so, you intentionally lie, making you a woman who cannot be trusted, an abject disgrace wink777
But I must have hit quite the nerve. Well, they do say the flak gets worse when you're over the target happy77
BTW, conservative is with one "N." if you don't know what conservatism is and who conservatives are, at least have the courtesy to spell it right
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Well, you consider yourself MAGA, you made the claim, so, you intentionally lie, making you a woman who cannot be trusted, an abject disgrace wink777
The irony is off the chart.
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More to the point, I wonder which eternal truth we stand upon - setting aside the abject lunacy of ignoring the outcome of setting aside truth - But which principle things @Right_in_Virginia thinks we should reject in order for people to like us more... Being as it is her personal opinion...
And why, by the way, we should fold in order to appeal to the masses in the first place... Some feller sometime said the road to hell is straight and wide... Just how far down that particular freeway shall we go before she would be comfortable with looking for an exit ramp?
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The idea that there’s going to be all these Democrats and independents that are going to make up the loss of conservatives and carry Trump over the finish line is a pipe dream that MAGAs have, but that’s not backed by history.
And the so-called Reagan Democrats have pretty much have all died off.
If polling is accurate, Trump’s MAGA movement is the most unpopular group in this country. They’re hoping that the suffering gets so great under Biden, that those voters will have no choice but to vote for Donald Trump and that could happen, but why would you want to wish suffering upon your fellow Americans?
And I’m not claiming that Ron DeSantis would make a difference with any of these groups that you’ve listed. But we know for sure Donald Trump does not appeal to people outside his MAGA base
Also if MAGA was really popular, Dr Oz would be a Senator along with Walker and Masters. Also, Kari Lake would be Gov. Instead they lost and GOP underperformed in 2022 big time.
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But I must have hit quite the nerve.
There's no doubt about it @LMAO I think you knowingly lie. So, yes, you hit a nerve. It's unsurprising that you're proud of it.
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There's no doubt about it @LMAO I think you knowingly lie; and I think liars are the scum of the Earth. So, yes, you hit a nerve. It's unsurprising that you're proud of it.
Lol. Comment on a position somebody took in their own post, and they become upset with you.:shrug:
But….Flak…target. happy77
I’m now done responding to your need for attention.
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Trump pushes back on DeSantis ‘culture of losing’ comment: ‘Ron is not a winner’
BY LAUREN SFORZA - 05/15/23 8:09 AM ET
Former President Trump is pushing back on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s (R) remarks calling on the GOP to reject a “culture of losing” in 2024, saying “Ron is not a winner.”
“First of all, I’m not at all caught up in the past. And second of all, I’m doing much better against [President] Biden than he is in the polls, and I’m doing much better against him,” Trump told The Messenger. “I mean, I’m beating [DeSantis] by 40 points in some polls, so he can talk about what he wants. And third of all, I did very well in the midterms.”
“Ron’s not a winner because Ron, without me, wouldn’t have won,” Trump added. “If I would have left it alone, he would have lost by 30 points or more.”
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4004435-trump-pushes-back-on-desantis-culture-of-losing-comment-ron-is-not-a-winner/ (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4004435-trump-pushes-back-on-desantis-culture-of-losing-comment-ron-is-not-a-winner/)
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“Ron’s not a winner because Ron, without me, wouldn’t have won,” Trump added. “If I would have left it alone, he would have lost by 30 points or more.”
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It is because of crap like this that Trump is going to lose. Me, me, me, me. He is worse than Obama.
So this one goes out to Trump:
Everyone's a Winner
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvqzyBlJ0rg)
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Just how many times have we seen this stupid trick by Trump...
I heard some folks are spreading the rumor/name/slur of "XYZ".... But I am not going to repeat the "XYZ" because I don't know if "XYZ" is true or not, but a lot of folks sure are talking about "XYZ" and I am above repeating "XYZ" even though I think "XYZ" is .... blah blah blah "XYZ"... Did you hear that in the back reporter? "XYZ...XYZ....XYZ....XYZ".
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Well, Desantis did carry the blue areas of Florida after 4 years of conservative leadership and results, despite Trump's claim of a failed state under that conservative leadership, so maybe the MAGA claim of repelling voters is BS. :shrug:
I don't see Trump bailing out of Florida like some New Yorker or Californian...
If DeSantis is so bad, you'd thing he'd have packed his bags by now.
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Also if MAGA was really popular, Dr Oz would be a Senator along with Walker and Masters. Also, Kari Lake would be Gov. Instead they lost and GOP underperformed in 2022 big time.
Exactly.
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From the article…..
And third of all, I did very well in the midterms.”
Delusional
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From the article…..
And third of all, I did very well in the midterms.”
Delusional
Yup.
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Just how many times have we seen this stupid trick by Trump...
I heard some folks are spreading the rumor/name/slur of "XYZ".... But I am not going to repeat the "XYZ" because I don't know if "XYZ" is true or not, but a lot of folks sure are talking about "XYZ" and I am above repeating "XYZ" even though I think "XYZ" is .... blah blah blah "XYZ"... Did you hear that in the back reporter? "XYZ...XYZ....XYZ....XYZ".
Watch him get worse after RDS officially announces
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That's number 3 on the list of top guesses, although not defined further.
#2 is short and pudgy
#1 is stupid, dull
And, no, Trump doesn't refer to Ron as "meatball" ---- although the same cannot be said of meme world. Trump's sticking with DeSanctimonious.
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What a crock of crappola. Statements about Ryan and Bush... where's the proof? A smear tactic that Trump is trying that isn't working.
His reference to continual testing??? A lie. Keeping FL lockdown another lie. We are one of the freeest states.
Trump's bullying worked in 16. People now know his pathetic attempts to smear. Trump is afraid of DeSantis and it shows.
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Just how many times have we seen this stupid trick by Trump...
I heard some folks are spreading the rumor/name/slur of "XYZ".... But I am not going to repeat the "XYZ" because I don't know if "XYZ" is true or not, but a lot of folks sure are talking about "XYZ" and I am above repeating "XYZ" even though I think "XYZ" is .... blah blah blah "XYZ"... Did you hear that in the back reporter? "XYZ...XYZ....XYZ....XYZ".
:facepalm2:
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Every time DeSantis speaks in public, he loses another swath of MAGA voters -- for life.
This is beginning to please me. happy77
For every "lost" MAGA, he gains independents Trump will not win over, and NO GOPer wins without them. Case in point -- DeSantis' 20-point victory in November, vs. Trump's defeat to none other than Biden in 2020.
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For every "lost" MAGA, he gains independents Trump will not win over, and NO GOPers wins without them. Case in point -- DeSantis' 20-point victory in November, vs. Trump's defeat to none other than Biden in 2020.
MAGA was never going to vote for DeSantis anyways - even the Trumpistas on this forum have started threatening to not vote for DeSantis if Trump isn't the nominee.
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MAGA was never going to vote for DeSantis anyways - even the Trumpistas on this forum have started threatening to not vote for DeSantis if Trump isn't the nominee.
Not so sure that is true, especially in FL. DeSantis is a very popular and competent governor that governs conservatively. People are flocking here. Trump's claims are bogus. His childish smear tactics and bullying will bury him should DeSantis run against him.
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For every "lost" MAGA, he gains independents Trump will not win over, and NO GOPers wins without them. Case in point -- DeSantis' 20-point victory in November, vs. Trump's defeat to none other than Biden in 2020.
Exactly. 888high58888
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Not so sure that is true, especially in FL. DeSantis is a very popular and competent governor that governs conservatively. People are flocking here. Trump's claims are bogus. His childish smear tactics and bullying will bury him should DeSantis run against him.
Fair enough. Still, there is a solid contingent of MAGA that, in what is just another blatant act of hypocrisy, have said they will not vote for DeSantis if he, rather than Trump, is the nominee.
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MAGA was never going to vote for DeSantis anyways - even the Trumpistas on this forum have started threatening to not vote for DeSantis if Trump isn't the nominee.
They make that "take my ball and go home" noise all the time, but given the choice of a very successful and conservative, anti-woke FL governor and four more years of Biden, most of them will come around.
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They make that "take my ball and go home" noise all the time, but given the choice of a very successful and conservative, anti-woke FL governor and four more years of Biden, most of them will come around.
One hopes.
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They make that "take my ball and go home" noise all the time, but given the choice of a very successful and conservative, anti-woke FL governor and four more years of Biden, most of them will come around.
I think many are starting to realize that Trump is never going to make it into the oval office again and yes some will remain delusional Trumpsters.
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From the article…..
And third of all, I did very well in the midterms.”
Delusional
At the nomination level, yes, but his endorsees crashed and burned in the general elections... bigly.
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I think many are starting to realize that Trump is never going to make it into the oval office again and yes some will remain delusional Trumpsters.
Definitely... there'll be a core-group of dead-enders and holdouts who will scream "foul" whenever the Orange Odin loses.
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Exactly.
The ultra orange MAGA crowd likes to think of themselves as the "silent majority", but in essence they are whiny screaming petulant little kids, who are anything but silent. Many of us, who see RDS as an acceptable alternative to the orange noise, is really that crowd that Nixon/Reagan alluded to.
And there is a lot of MAGA I agree with, but the freakin' messenger just won't keep putting his foot in his mouth, plus he's gone off the populistic rails with Freedom City shit. Why his adoring masses won't wake up, is beyond me. I think it has been pretty well proven that Trump couldn't reach 50% of the popular vote even if he was running against Stalin. Our self inflicted wounds are keeping the dims in perpetual power.
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I think many are starting to realize that Trump is never going to make it into the oval office again and yes some will remain delusional Trumpsters.
As opposed to delusional DeSantards, of course ----
I reluctantly voted for Trump in '16 and willingly in '20 as I felt he had this country pulled in a positive direction.
He will not receive another vote from me. Notta. Just not going to happen.
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Right on cue! Wonder if the paycheck is in advance, or in arrears.
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Fair enough. Still, there is a solid contingent of MAGA that, in what is just another blatant act of hypocrisy, have said they will not vote for DeSantis if he, rather than Trump, is the nominee.
Could MAGA be learning from DeSantards?
I reluctantly voted for Trump in '16 and willingly in '20 as I felt he had this country pulled in a positive direction.
He will not receive another vote from me. Notta. Just not going to happen.
@libertybele
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Could MAGA be learning from DeSantards?
Most DeSantis supporters I know will vote for Trump if he's the nominee. That group of us here who feel differently are definitely in the minority. However, the MAGA view that they won't vote for anyone but Trump in the general election seems to be by far the most commonly held opinion. That's how I see it, at least. Additionally....
You are at least consistent in how you view DeSantis. You don't like him, don't want him to be Trump's running mate in 2024, and wouldn't vote for him even if he was the nominee in 2028. If you think a guy is that bad, you shouldn't vote for him, period. And that's how a lot of the rest of us feel about Trump. Not going to vote for someone we think will make things worse.
However, you seem to be more the exception than the rule among much of MAGA. I've read tons of those people saying 1) I won't vote for DeSantis in 2024 if he beats Trump for the nomination, but 2) I'd like to see him as Trump's running mate, and/or support him when he runs in 2028. That's the POV that is really messed up, because it essentially means the person believes DeSantis would be a good President, but won't vote for him simply because he beat Trump. And that's elevating a single person over the future of the Republic.
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Also if MAGA was really popular, Dr Oz would be a Senator along with Walker and Masters. Also, Kari Lake would be Gov. Instead they lost and GOP underperformed in 2022 big time.
The MAGA crowd treats 2020 as a litmus test. Either you are deluded into thinking it was stolen (by seven million votes) or you are persona non grata. Of course, election denial makes a candidate toxic in the general, as we saw a few months ago. But MAGA is delusional about the midterms also. The party can never move on unless and until these people choose to dwell in reality.
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Definitely... there'll be a core-group of dead-enders and holdouts who will scream "foul" whenever the Orange Odin loses.
I think that's what DeSantis means when he's talking about the "culture of losing". There are a fair number of people out there who, when pressed, believe that there is no way any Republican can win in 2024 because the Democrats can cheat enough to overcome any true voter preference for a Republican. That's just another way of saying "a loss is guaranteed, so why bother". And I think he is rightly challenging that.
If the Democrats truly had that much control, why didn't they give themselves 60 votes in the Senate? Why let Republicans control the House and be able to stymie the left's legislative agenda? Sure, Democrats cheat, and Republicans have to win by more than the margin of cheating. But that has always been the case. Hell, as corrupt an election machine as Mayor Daley's Chicago was, Reagan still managed to take it in 1984 because his support overwhelmed the Dems' ability to cheat.
The ability of Democrats to cheat is not an excuse for not running the most electable conservative.
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I think that's what DeSantis means when he's talking about the "culture of losing". There are a fair number of people out there who, when pressed, believe that there is no way any Republican can win in 2024 because the Democrats can cheat enough to overcome any true voter preference for a Republican. That's just another way of saying "a loss is guaranteed, so why bother". And I think he is rightly challenging that.
If the Democrats truly had that much control, why didn't they give themselves 60 votes in the Senate? Why let Republicans control the House and be able to stymie the left's legislative agenda? Sure, Democrats cheat, and Republicans have to win by more than the margin of cheating. But that has always been the case. Hell, as corrupt an election machine as Mayor Daley's Chicago was, Reagan still managed to take it in 1984 because his support overwhelmed the Dems' ability to cheat.
The ability of Democrats to cheat is not an excuse for not running the most electable conservative.
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Most DeSantis supporters I know will vote for Trump if he's the nominee. That group of us here who feel differently are definitely in the minority. However, the MAGA view that they won't vote for anyone but Trump in the general election seems to be by far the most commonly held opinion. That's how I see it, at least. Additionally....
I took that approach, but his recent insane proposed intitatives have convinced me he is nothing but an orange Trojan horse, and will take us off the financial cliff just as quickly as our dimocratic enemies.
Hold my nose and pull it for Trump this time? Hell No. I am almost 100% sure there will be a Constitutional or Libertarian candidate who will be more conservative. They will get my vote. Not the Cheetos colored charlatan.
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The MAGA crowd treats 2020 as a litmus test. Either you are deluded into thinking it was stolen (by seven million votes) or you are persona non grata. Of course, election denial makes a candidate toxic in the general, as we saw a few months ago. But MAGA is delusional about the midterms also. The party can never move on unless and until these people choose to dwell in reality.
I think that is an underappreciated point. Absent evidence sufficient to survive legal scrutiny -- and many of those elections claims actually were heard - election denial inevitably takes us down the black hole of Rome where government is controlled by a self-anointed Emperor. You can even say that there was massive fraud, but that you're going to respect the result of the election because that's our system, and you have to do a better job of combatting fraud next time.
As ignorant of politics and history as many Americans are, the majority justifiably recoil from what election denial implies. And they won't vote for anyone who threatened to take us down that path. I know I won't.
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I think that is an underappreciated point. Absent evidence sufficient to survive legal scrutiny -- and many of those elections claims actually were heard - election denial inevitably takes us down the black hole of Rome where government is controlled by a self-anointed Emperor. You can even say that there was massive fraud, but that you're going to respect the result of the election because that's our system, and you have to do a better job of combatting fraud next time.
As ignorant of politics and history as many Americans are, the majority justifiably recoil from what election denial implies. And they won't vote for anyone who threatened to take us down that path. I know I won't.
I think there is a pretty solid majoirty of us who watched that night, understood, and realized something fishy was going on, and at least from my perspective, it was probably stolen. Still, basing a candidacy and harping on it 4 years later is losing strategy. If they spent the same energy trying to fix the problem than bitching about it, they'd have better future success.
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I think there is a pretty solid majoirty of us who watched that night, understood, and realized something fishy was going on, and at least from my perspective, it was probably stolen. Still, basing a candidacy and harping on it 4 years later is losing strategy. If they spent the same energy trying to fix the problem than bitching about it, they'd have better future success.
Same here.
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I think there is a pretty solid majoirty of us who watched that night, understood, and realized something fishy was going on, and at least from my perspective, it was probably stolen. Still, basing a candidacy and harping on it 4 years later is losing strategy. If they spent the same energy trying to fix the problem than bitching about it, they'd have better future success.
Amen and also trying to smear really true conservatives is going to backfire ... BIGLY!
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Could MAGA be learning from DeSantards?
DeSantards @Right_in_Virginia ??? *****rollingeyes***** Childish!
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I think there is a pretty solid majoirty of us who watched that night, understood, and realized something fishy was going on, and at least from my perspective, it was probably stolen.
Don’t you remember the articles about the red mirage in the months leading up to election? Chris Wallace specifically asked Trump how he would handle this during the debate. Trump foolishly discouraged mail in voting during a pandemic, and so the returns were guaranteed to shift dramatically as the night went on. I remember reading an analysis from around 11pm where all of the swing states except NC were forecast to flip as mail in ballots were counted.
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DeSantards @Right_in_Virginia ??? *****rollingeyes***** Childish!
Trumpsters @libertybele ??? What's your opinion on this? :laugh:
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Don’t you remember the articles about the red mirage in the months leading up to election? Chris Wallace specifically asked Trump how he would handle this during the debate. Trump foolishly discouraged mail in voting during a pandemic, and so the returns were guaranteed to shift dramatically as the night went on. I remember reading an analysis from around 11pm where all of the swing states except NC were forecast to flip as mail in ballots were counted.
The unfortunate fact of the matter is, however, that we do have documented instances of left-wing election misconduct, but no ability to actually audit any election to determine whether or not the election was, in fact, altered by this misconduct.
And the shame, and essential hypocrisy, of Mr. Trump is that since 2020 he has done nothing whatsoever to put what he claims is his considerable pull behind efforts to make elections accountable and auditable. It just comes down to Trump's ego and nothing else.
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Amen and also trying to smear really true conservatives is going to backfire ... BIGLY!
Last night the orange petulant child put out an gif like campaign ad with RDS having shifty looking eyes. I for one, am ready for a grown up in the WH, instead of Donald J. Trump who has the maturity of an 8 year old.
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And the shame, and essential hypocrisy, of Mr. Trump is that since 2020 he has done nothing whatsoever to put what he claims is his considerable pull behind efforts to make elections accountable and auditable. It just comes down to Trump's ego and nothing else.
You really nailed it there. It's like he relishes and wallows in his own self pity and whining. Enough is enough.
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Amen and also trying to smear really true conservatives is going to backfire ... BIGLY!
InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
Morning Consult Poll: Trump Posts Biggest Lead Yet Over DeSantis
Trump — 61% (+43)
DeSantis — 18%
Pence — 6%
Haley — 4%
Ramaswamy — 4%
Cheney — 2%
Abbot — 1%
T. Scott — 1%
Hutchinson — 1%
May 12-14 | 3,571 registered voters
https://morningconsult.com/2024-gop-prima
6:10 AM · May 16, 2023
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Here's another just out Iowa poll. Why didn't you also include it? Just more proof of your level of disingeniality, and your inane abiity to cherry pick DJT propaganda of your choosing. Damn, you are so predictable.
American Greatness IA Poll. May 12, 2023.
Trump- 44% (+18%)
DeSantis- 28%
Haley - 6%
Pence- 4%
Ramaswamy- 3%
Scott- 1%
Hutcheson- 1%
Sununu- 0%
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The unfortunate fact of the matter is, however, that we do have documented instances of left-wing election misconduct, but no ability to actually audit any election to determine whether or not the election was, in fact, altered by this misconduct.
Exactly.
And the shame, and essential hypocrisy, of Mr. Trump is that since 2020 he has done nothing whatsoever to put what he claims is his considerable pull behind efforts to make elections accountable and auditable. It just comes down to Trump's ego and nothing else.
And that's another great point. I don't know of any Republican who believes there was no fraud in the 2020 election, and that we shouldn't be focused like a laser beam on trying to reduce the amount of fraud in 2024.
But Trump arguing that he was the actual winner and should be placed in the office, which he openly did for more than a year after that election, was delusional and a complete waste of time. It was never, ever going to happen in a million years. And it diluted the attention that properly should have been focused on preventing fraud in 2024.
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I think there is a pretty solid majoirty of us who watched that night, understood, and realized something fishy was going on, and at least from my perspective, it was probably stolen. Still, basing a candidacy and harping on it 4 years later is losing strategy. If they spent the same energy trying to fix the problem than bitching about it, they'd have better future success.
I am in agreement. I am convinced there were enough shenanigans to throw the election into doubt... Especially leaning on the testimony of our own @Cyber Liberty and @Hoodat , who were both on the ground and highly participatory in two of the swing states.
BUT, challenging an election is an extraordinarily high bar - On purpose - as designed by our forefathers. Therefore, the only corruption that matters is the corruption you can prove against that extraordinarily high bar.
And when that case cannot be made, then carried into the next election, it looks like sour grapes. And it is a distraction from issues that should be meaningful and uniting. Understand that: Uniting.
That is the danger of getting stuck in '16. If that is the focus, there will be no win, because the cause is no longer about uniting.
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Don’t you remember the articles about the red mirage in the months leading up to election? Chris Wallace specifically asked Trump how he would handle this during the debate. Trump foolishly discouraged mail in voting during a pandemic, and so the returns were guaranteed to shift dramatically as the night went on. I remember reading an analysis from around 11pm where all of the swing states except NC were forecast to flip as mail in ballots were counted.
That is completely true, and it wasn't just something invented after the fact to justify the Democrat come-from-behind vote totals. I remember in the weeks and months leading up to the election that Republican politicians and pundits (and Rush did that as well) openly encouraged GOP voters to cast their ballotd in person on election day, while Democrats were openly encouraging their voters to not vote in person, but rather to vote by mail. Because most states only counted mail-in votes after election day votes were counted, this virtually guaranteed that results would shift towards Democrats as time wore on.
I remember watching the returns and thinking "we're not leading by enough" on election night, and sure enough, that's what happened. I don't know whether those who take those shifting votes totals as proof of fraud remember that dynamic, but it was very, very real.
I suppose maybe some of them were in a bit of an information bubble, and therefore were not aware of how the Democrat instructions to their voters were so different from what Republicans were telling theirs.
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I for one, am ready for a grown up in the WH, instead of Donald J. Trump who has the maturity of an 8 year old.
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Only someone with no idea of how male group dynamics actually work would think that DeSantis would be on the receiving end of that.
It's amusing that a coddled, spoiled little rich kid like Trump who attended only private schools, dodged the draft, and likely has never even been in a fight in his entire life is portrayed by some as some kind of alpha tough guy. The reality is that he's a pasty, fat old man whose only real talent is showmanship. Something he had time and the opportunity to develop given the head start he got with daddy's millions.
DeSantis was an ordinary middle class kid who was not only a very good athlete, but a very intelligent and completely self-made guy. Made it into exclusive schools not because of who his daddy was, but because of sheer intelligence and very hard work. Then, after getting a law degree, he choose to head into the military rather than making millions with some high-end firm. He was in Fallujah while Trump was making "The Apprentice". The reality is that if they were in the same school and the same age, and one of them would have been giving "swirlies" to the other, it would have been The Donald's hair that would have been soaking wet, with clingy little bits of toilet paper.
There's a reason Trump's lawyer threatened Trump's alma maters with lawsuits if they released his academic records, and its not because he did well.
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Exactly.
And that's another great point. I don't know of any Republican who believes there was no fraud in the 2020 election, and that we shouldn't be focused like a laser beam on trying to reduce the amount of fraud in 2024.
But Trump arguing that he was the actual winner and should be placed in the office, which he openly did for more than a year after that election, was delusional and a complete waste of time. It was never, ever going to happen in a million years. And it diluted the attention that properly should have been focused on preventing fraud in 2024.
There is at least one republican who has been taking positive steps towards reforming his state's election process: DeSantis.
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It's amusing that a coddled, spoiled little rich kid like Trump who attended only private schools, dodged the draft, and likely has never even been in a fight in his life is portrayed as some kind of alpha tough guy. Reality is that he's a pasty, fat old man whose only real talent is showmanship. Something he had time and the opportunity to develop given the head start he got with daddy's millions.
DeSantis was an ordinary middle class kid who was not only a very good athlete, but a very intelligent and completely self-made guy. Made it into exclusive schools not because of who his daddy was, but because of sheer intelligence and very hard work. Then, after getting a law degree, he choose to head into the military rather than making millions with some high-end firm. The reality is that if they were in the same school, and one of them would have been giving "swirlies" to the other, it would have been The Donald's hair that would have been soaking wet.
There's a reason Trump's lawyer threatened Trump's alma maters with lawsuits if they released his academic records, and its not because he did well.
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There is at least one republican who has been taking positive steps towards reforming his state's election process: DeSantis.
Exactly right. That's certainly one of the reason he went from barely winning in 2018 (with Trump's endorsement), to winning by the largest margin ever in 2022 (without Trump's support).
The way Trump handled Covid gave the Democrats the ability to make so many exceptions to normal voting procedures. He let Fauci and others out there to tell people it was unsafe to be in groups, which some courts used to justify those alterations. Had Trump actually used his authority as President and the bully pulpit to return this country to normalcy faster, he might have actually won that election instead of just whining that it was stolen from him.
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The way Trump handled Covid gave the Democrats the ability to make so many exceptions to normal voting procedures. He let Fauci and others out there to tell people it was unsafe to be in groups, which some courts used to justify those alterations. Had Trump actually used his authority as President and the bully pulpit to return this country to normalcy faster, he might have actually won that election instead of just whining that it was stolen from him.
Agreed.
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Trumpsters @libertybele ??? What's your opinion on this? :laugh:
So what other name should I give someone who idolizes Trump @Right_in_Virginia ?? Trump supporter?? Trump voter?? Trump idolizer? Trumpster is easy to type, a generalization of a group, with certainly no disrespect meant.
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So what other name should I give someone who idolizes Trump @Right_in_Virginia ?? Trump supporter?? Trump voter?? Trump idolizer? Trumpster is easy to type, a generalization of a group, with certainly no disrespect meant.
"Trumpsters", or "Trumpers", or anything like that is simply a shorthand for saying "Trump's supporters"
"DeSantards" is a portmanteau of "DeSantis" and "retards". Not exactly the same thing....
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Do you really think that there are enough MAGA voters to help Trump win a national election? Let me help you, there isn't.
True, but I am not sure anyone wins without them, and vice-versa.
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"Trumpsters", or "Trumpers", or anything like that is simply a shorthand for saying "Trump's supporters"
"DeSantards" is a portmanteau of "DeSantis" and "retards". Not exactly the same thing....
From Little Marco, to Lyin' Ted, to DeSanctimonius...... Trump has nothing in his aresnal but petty insults, catchy lock 'em up memes, phony red hats, and most of all no substance to the man or his message.
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True, but I am not sure anyone wins without them, and vice-versa.
That is likely true. And while the loudest of the bunch likely will follow along with threats not to vote for anyone else, I don't think everyone who leans Trump in the primary feels the same. A lot of those folks will end up voting for whomever wins the GOP primary as long as it isn't a Liz Cheney type.
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"Trumpsters", or "Trumpers", or anything like that is simply a shorthand for saying "Trump's supporters"
"DeSantards" is a portmanteau of "DeSantis" and "retards". Not exactly the same thing....
Exactly.
If we want parity of insults, we'd have to go with something like bleep. But I, for one, won't.
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From Little Marco, to Lyin' Ted, to DeSanctimonius...... Trump has nothing in his aresnal but petty insults, catchy lock 'em up memes, phony red hats, and most of all no substance to the man or his message.
You forgot stolen slogans... :whistle:
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Only someone with no idea of how male group dynamics actually work would think that DeSantis would be on the receiving end of that.
Claims a man who's panicked by a tweet. :laugh:
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Claims a man who's panicked by a tweet. :laugh:
Sister, I've been on the receiving end of crap much worse than you'd imagine, and I don't "panic" over anything, much less a stupid tweet.
That being said, I have no issue with taking something like that tweet and using it as an opportunity to slam your old, fat, pasty idol.
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Sister, I've been on the receiving end of crap much worse than you'd imagine, and I don't "panic" over anything, much less a stupid tweet.
That being said, I have no issue with taking something like that tweet and using it as an opportunity to slam your old, fat, pasty idol.
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Sister, I've been on the receiving end of crap much worse than you'd imagine,
And yet you faint reading a tweet. :shrug:
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And yet you faint reading a tweet. :shrug:
????? Faint reading a tweet?? Seriously? Such petty and false accusations @Right_in_Virginia :silly:
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????? Faint reading a tweet?? Seriously? Such petty and false accusations @Right_in_Virginia
No it's not. Go back and count the threads and relive the angst filled posts on Trump's mean tweets before you jump in with nonsense @libertybele
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No it's not. Go back and count the threads and relive the angst filled posts on Trump's mean tweets before you jump in with onsense @libertybele
I'm too busy right now @Right_in_Virginia reading all the mean tweets and false accusations that you keep posting about Trump's angst against DeSantis.
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I'm too busy right now @Right_in_Virginia reading all the mean tweets and false accusations that you keep posting about Trump's angst against DeSantis.
Give it a damn rest @libertybele
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Give it a damn rest @libertybele
Ditto @Right_in_Virginia - give it a damn rest!
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Ditto @Right_in_Virginia - give it a damn rest!
Are you capable of thinking for yourself, ever?
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Are you capable of thinking for yourself, ever?
Considering you are a squawking parrot for the El Trumpo talking points, I find that rather rich.
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Are you capable of thinking for yourself, ever?
:mauslaff:
Again, covering up a lack of argument with personal insults. How very childish, but par for the course here.
@libertybele is quite capable of thinking for herself, as she has demonstrated on numerous occasions.
The question would be better addressed to you, given the degree to which you just parrot Trumps statements, without regard to their truth or falsity.
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Are you capable of thinking for yourself, ever?
Just slinging your mud right back at ya. :laugh:
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No it's not. Go back and count the threads and relive the angst filled posts on Trump's mean tweets before you jump in with nonsense @libertybele
Angst?
It's not angst.
Disgust, maybe...
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Angst?
It's not angst.
Disgust, maybe...
Exactly. Disgust at a childish, paranoid fool who, notwithstanding that he was once President, is compelled to do as much, if not more, damage to other republicans than the democrats have done so far.
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"Trumped Up" - Slanderous or libelous in nature.
The term seems to fit more than one meaning this election.
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Perfect, @corbe
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I'm sticking around @Hoodat to witness the laments of the Trumper's Women and Children just as they witnessed the lament of mine in 16.
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????? Faint reading a tweet?? Seriously? Such petty and false accusations @Right_in_Virginia :silly:
Sometimes, you just need to give some folks the rope, and they'll do the rest. It's not exactly like she's been converting a lot of folks to the cause. More like the opposite.
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DeSantis in Iowa Warns of GOP ‘Culture of Losing'
Warning of a Republican “culture of losing,” Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sought Saturday to weaken former President Donald Trump's grip on the GOP as he courted voters in battleground Iowa.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-desantis-iowa-2024-c2d56a9fec898b90614864904fc1bedb
Alex Bruesewitz
@alexbruesewitz
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15 minutes into counting votes,Trump-endorsed @DanielCameronAG has just won the primary and will be the Republican nominee for Governor in the great state of Kentucky.
DeSantis-endorsed Kelly Craft is currently in third place.
Absolutely embarrassing for team DeSantis.
7:14 PM · May 16, 2023
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johnny maga
@_johnnymaga
Horrible night for Desantis
The billionaire he backed in the KY primary got destroyed by Trump’s pick & a Democrat won the mayoral race in Jacksonville
7:50 PM · May 16, 2023
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Alex Bruesewitz
@alexbruesewitz
Cameron had orders of magnitude more name recognition here in Kentucky due to his vocal opposition to Beshear and his Democratic policies over the past years. Endorsements had absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Cameron had orders of magnitude more name recognition here in Kentucky due to his vocal opposition to Beshear and his Democratic policies over the past years. Endorsements had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Sure. :whistle:
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Cameron had orders of magnitude more name recognition here in Kentucky due to his vocal opposition to Beshear and his Democratic policies over the past years. Endorsements had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Trump's endorsement probably lost Bevin the election in 2019.
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Here's another Trump-endorsed Kentucky politician:
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I was gonna add a Picture of Ronna but I couldn't pass this up.
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Sure. :whistle:
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Bless your heart. Cameron has been very popular in this state for a long time. He fought tooth and nail against Beshear's ridiculous over-reaches in the name of covid, and Republican voters in the state appreciated it.
You stick to your state, and I'll stick to mine.
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Trump's endorsement probably lost Bevin the election in 2019.
Nah. That was all the teachers' union, which is apparently full of people who cannot do math.
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As best as I can tell, DeSantis' endorsement only happened yesterday, and in the form of robocalls last night. It is quite likely that most Kentuckians disn't even know about it.
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"Kentucky GOP gubernatorial nominee Daniel Cameron thanks Donald Trump for his support “The Trump culture of winning is alive and well in Kentucky” (Video)
https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1658628297620697092
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Bless your heart. Cameron has been very popular in this state for a long time. He fought tooth and nail against Beshear's ridiculous over-reaches in the name of covid, and Republican voters in the state appreciated it.
You stick to your state, and I'll stick to mine.
RiV could care less about our states. It is all about Trumpy. The Pu$$y grabber.
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"Kentucky GOP gubernatorial nominee Daniel Cameron thanks Donald Trump for his support “The Trump culture of winning is alive and well in Kentucky”
It was always alive in the primaries. In the real election, notsomuch.
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It was always alive in the primaries. In the real election, notsomuch.
Truth. He's the single most prominent personal in the party with the largest bloc of supporters, so his support is almost always going to be determinative in primaries with more than two candidates.
That pretty.much reverses in the general elections.
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Sometimes, you just need to give some folks the rope, and they'll do the rest. It's not exactly like she's been converting a lot of folks to the cause.
Why would I waste my time trying to convert you?
I post for the guests and members who find themselves on these threads ---- to correct the rampant distortions and remind MAGA folks we've seen this movie before and we will prevail.
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It was always alive in the primaries. In the real election, notsomuch.
Well, DeSantis is 0 for 2 tonight. One primary and one election for Mayor in Jacksonville, FL ---- turning a red office blue for the first time in a decade.
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Well, DeSantis is 0 for 2 tonight. One primary and one election for Mayor in Jacksonville, FL ---- turning a red office blue for the first time in a decade.
What does DeSantis have to do with the mayor's race in JAX or a primary three states away? (See: Association fallacy)
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What does DeSantis have to do with the mayor's race in JAX or a primary three states away? (See: Association fallacy)
His coveted and public endorsement(s) of both. (See: Blaming Trump for every loss in 2022)
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So if someone endorses a candidate and that candidate does not win, then the endorser is a loser? Is that your standard? Asking for a friend.
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So if someone endorses a candidate and that candidate does not win, then the endorser is a loser? Is that your standard? Asking for a friend.
Not my standard ---- it was the standard used to bash Trump in 2022 by every NT and by DeSantis, himself, for the same reason just a few days ago.
That the standard y'all set is being applied to Ronny is simply delicious poetic justice. happy77
cc: @catfish1957
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So if someone endorses a candidate and that candidate does not win, then the endorser is a loser? Is that your standard? Asking for a friend.
Are your friends Herschel Walker and Mehmut Oz? :cool:
Biggest Trump debacle ever......
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I have been quite vocal at placing the blame for the election defeats in 2022 at the feet of Mitch McConnell and Ronna McDaniel, both of whom Trump support. I was just curious why you were making candidate endorsements a big issue considering Trump's track record. But to each her own, right?
I'll be on the lookout for those DeSantis zealots who want to rub it in when some endorsed candidate wins or loses. It will be much more entertaining than things that really matter like cleaning up the Justice Dept, firing NIH directors who violate US law, prosecuting government workers who abuse their power for political purposes, and most of all, spending money we don't have.
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Outside of red areas, tying Trump to candidates,”MAGA Republicans,” has been very successful for Democrats. And not just one or two instances, either. Will that same thing work when it comes to Ron DeSantis? Way too early to tell.
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Well, DeSantis is 0 for 2 tonight. One primary and one election for Mayor in Jacksonville, FL ---- turning a red office blue for the first time in a decade.
You know Trump lost Jacksonville (Duval County), yes? He was the first republican presidential candidate to lose Duval since 1976. But overall, the area has trended left, and democrats outnumber republicans by roughly 5 points.
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DeSantards @Right_in_Virginia ??? *****rollingeyes***** Childish!
Just channeling her inner Trump while getting her nickers in as knot over 'Trumpsters'.
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Will that same thing work when it comes to Ron DeSantis? Way too early to tell.
Depends entirely if he can harness the factions of Conservatism together. When Conservative act as one, they're pretty hard to beat.
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Just channeling her inner Trump while getting her nickers in as knot over 'Trumpsters'.
Hey, it's not my fault there's such a long list of nicknames to choose from out there ------ and not all are as pleasant as the one I posted. :laugh:
How about this one: DeSantoids. Or, is this also too upsetting for you?
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You know Trump lost Jacksonville (Duval County), yes?
But, I'm told Ronny is special ---- that he single-handedly turned Florida red and is the agent to end "the culture of losing". Yet, his public and repeated endorsement has turned a mayor's office, in Florida, from red to blue ----- the first time in a decade. You understand my confusion, yes?
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Hey, it's not my fault there's such a long list of nicknames to choose from out there ------ and not all are as pleasant as the one I posted. :laugh:
How about this one: DeSantoids. Or, is this also too upsetting for you?
But whose fault is it when you get bent out of shape if someone hangs a nickname on Trump or his followers? There's a word for that...Hypocrisy, if you don't want the names than show the same respect to others, but that of course is something no one will ever see from the great(snicker) Trump.
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But whose fault is it when you get bent out of shape if someone hangs a nickname on Trump or his followers?
I don't get bent out of shape ..... after all these years, I expect it from you, tiresome as it is.
But, this doesn't mean I can't find turnabout is fair play fun. :laugh:
So, you're okay with "DeSantoid"?
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:rolleyes:
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But, I'm told Ronny is special ---- that he single-handedly turned Florida red and is the agent to end "the culture of losing". Yet, his public and repeated endorsement has turned a mayor's office, in Florida, from red to blue ----- the first time in a decade. You understand my confusion, yes?
No I don’t believe you are confused. DeSantis is not camped out in Jacksonville. It was a standard endorsement.
Jacksonville has experienced a demographic shift - lots of blacks have moved south. An open seat will favor the dems. It is getting bluer while the surrounding counties turn redder.
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But, I'm told Ronny is special ---- that he single-handedly turned Florida red....
No, that's not it at all. He's not a "single-handedly" kind of guy. The only way he's been able to do as much as he's done on different issues is because he's got very capable, loyal subordinates. Obviously, he gets credit for choosing them, but it's not like he's so uniquely special that he's our only hope. Most of the folks I know who support him would be open to other sharp conservatives as well. Hell, I personally leaned Pompeo until he decided not to run.
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No, that's not it at all. He's not a "single-handedly" kind of guy. The only way he's been able to do as much as he's done on different issues is because he's got very capable, loyal subordinates. Obviously, he gets credit for choosing them, but it's not like he's so uniquely special that he's our only hope. Most of the folks I know who support him would be open to other sharp conservatives as well. Hell, I personally leaned Pompeo until he decided not to run.
Wouldn't it be grand to have a field of actual Conservatives to choose from? I mean 6-8 truly Conservative candidates, and not one true Conservative among 5-7 pretenders...
What a year that would be.
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Alex Bruesewitz
@alexbruesewitz
Two weeks ago Team DeSantis was claiming that “Trump is done in Iowa!”
Latest poll out of Iowa from one of the most accurate pollsters has Trump extending his lead, now beating desantis by 42%.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fw-c8z1WIAI4kgD?format=jpg&name=small) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fw-c8z2WAAA_VUu?format=jpg&name=small)
9:02 AM · May 25, 2023
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Polls mean nothing at this point in time. H3ll we're 18 months from the Election.
Incidentally, the last time Trump was primaried in Iowa~HE LOST!
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No, that's not it at all. He's not a "single-handedly" kind of guy. The only way he's been able to do as much as he's done on different issues is because he's got very capable, loyal subordinates. Obviously, he gets credit for choosing them, but it's not like he's so uniquely special that he's our only hope. Most of the folks I know who support him would be open to other sharp conservatives as well. Hell, I personally leaned Pompeo until he decided not to run.
:thumbsup: