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Title: Trump Mania
Post by: Spook on May 01, 2016, 08:39:01 pm
I have watched with great interest the rising mania levels for Trump from supposed "conservative" voters. Yet, it appears to me that few if any at all are actually take time to fact check the man they intend to hoist to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
In a simple 10 minute search (only on legitimate sources...no fake news sites such as prntly...) one can easily see the complete history, talking points and sound bites from Trump. Allow me to share a few:

On the 2nd Amendment:
1. Donald Trump: “I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.”(John Santucci, “Trump Reverses Stance on Assault Weapons in New Policy Paper,” ABC News, 9/18/2015)

On abortion:
1. Russert: But you would not ban it?

Trump: No

Russert: Or ban partial-birth abortion?

Trump: No, I am pro-choice in every respect. (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 10/24/99)

2. Howard Stern: “‘I know they love you in the Tea Party and stuff…are you really anti-abortion? You’re not. I know you’re not. There’s no way.”

“Trump took a long time to respond, and seemed to be completely thrown by the question…”

Donald Trump: “Well… it’s a whole thing, Howard…I feel certain ways about things… I’ve never really been exposed to that. And that’s always been my view, to be anti—obviously with passes, rape and this…It’s actually split up, Howard, about 55 percent of this country feel that way.”

Howard Stern: “But I know you. I know you. There is no way that you, personally, are against abortion.”

Donald Trump: “Well, it’s never been my big issue, Howard.” (Marlow Stern, “When Donald Trump Said He’d Marry Obama, Called Kim Kardashian A ‘Fat Ass,’ And Ripped Beyonce,” Daily Beast, 8/6/15)

On Taxes:
1. Donald Trump: “I would impose a one-time 14.25 percent tax on individuals…” raising “$5.7 trillion in new revenue.”(Donald Trump, The America We Deserve, print edition 2000, p. 170)

2. CNN Headline: “Elizabeth Warren: I Agree With Donald Trump On Taxes.”

“Elizabeth Warren has endorsed Donald Trump -- on taxes, anyway. Warren, the Massachusetts senator and populist champion, said Tuesday that she supports Trump’s proposal to levy higher taxes on the rich. ‘There are a lot of places where he gets out and talks about important things,’ Warren said during an appearance on ‘The View.’ ‘Donald Trump and I both agree that there ought to be more taxation of the billionaires, the people who are making their money on Wall Street.’”

“Warren’s praise is likely to give more ammunition to the conservatives who insist that Trump, the current frontrunner for the GOP presidential nomination, is actually a liberal. The billionaire developer said last month that he’s in favor of raising taxes on wealthy Americans, winning the approval of another progressive icon: New York Times columnist and Nobel laureate Paul Krugman.” (Tom Kludt, “Elizabeth Warren: I Agree With Donald Trump On Taxes,” CNN.com, 9/8/15)

How about the wall between Mexico and the USA?
(How does he really feel about illegal immigration?)
1. Donald Trump: “You have to give them a path, and you have to make it possible for them to succeed. You have to do that." (Editorial, "Trump Backed Amnesty For Illegal Aliens Only Last June," Investor's Business Daily, 12/17/2015)

2. Trump Met With DREAM Activists At Trump Tower And Told Them, “You’ve Convinced Me.”

“Real estate mogul Donald Trump met with immigrant advocates on Wednesday to discuss immigration reform and ended the meeting with a resolution to move the debate forward. Trump met with youth immigrant leaders Jose Machado, Diego Sanchez and nationally renowned Dreamer Gaby Pacheco of The Bridge Project at Trump Tower in New York at the request of Antonio Tijerino, President and CEO of the Hispanic Heritage Foundation. … The Bridge Project aims to link the gap between political parties and connect Americans from across the political spectrum to advocate for immigration reform. The group is currently in the midst of a seven-state tour to gather support for reform. And it seems the meeting was fruitful, shared Machado.”

Donald Trump: “You’ve convinced me.” (Nina Terrero, “Donald Trump Tells Immigrant Advocates ‘You’ve Convinced Me’,” NBC Latino, 8/22/13)

On Syrian refugees:
1. Donald Trump: “I hate the concept of it, but on a humanitarian basis, you have to [take in Syrian refugees]” (Nick Gass, “Trump Calls For Taking In Syrian Refugees,” Politico, 9/9/15)

On Obamacare:(Must follow link to youtube where in the video interview Trump exclaims clearly that he wants the government to pay 100% of health care for EVERYBODY. Note, the interview is from 2015...)
1. https://youtu.be/6inQmf96SYQ

I could continue on and on but you get the idea. What Trump the candidate says and what Trump the man believes are two entirely different things. He is clearly pandering to what he believes his base to be, a base that either no longer care about conservative values or are entirely illiterate. Using Freerepublic as an example,which used to be a pro-conservative forum. Two years ago it was filled with members viciously defending the 2nd amendment, calling for Obamacare to be repealed etc. Today it is filled (and ran) by Trump slaves. Any effort to point out what Trump really believes based upon facts are immediately shut down with malice. I don't get it at all.

Never-mind the myriad of Trump quotes about women, no point in rehashing as others have covered it, but seriously, do the Trump supporters believe for a second that Hillary is not going to use every single word to her advantage?
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 01, 2016, 08:53:07 pm
Yeah....but, but, but......WALL!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 09:07:29 pm
So all these people who endorse Trump are dupes, fools, ignorant and stupid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Look it over closely.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Spook on May 01, 2016, 09:20:05 pm
I would have to say that the "dupes" are us.

Anyone calling themselves "conservative" while being a supporter of Trump ought to at a minimum be real with themselves and declare their new far left liberal party affiliation.

Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 09:35:39 pm
I would have to say that the "dupes" are us.

Anyone calling themselves "conservative" while being a supporter of Trump ought to at a minimum be real with themselves and declare their new far left liberal party affiliation.

So all those people are far left liberals?  :laughingdog:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Mark “Oz” Geist said, “We, perhaps more than any Americans, know the absolute and imperative reason that we elect Donald J. Trump as President of the United States. First and foremost, under a Trump administration, the request for additional security by an ambassador would have been heeded, and second, there is no question, when the attack came,he would have moved heaven and earth to provide the necessary forces to protect and reinforce our warriors. Mr. Trump is the bold, decisive leader America needs at this time.” Oz added, “Under President Trump, many conflicts will be avoided because our enemies will fear the United States and our military.”

John Tiegen added, “It is very clear to see the groundswell of support, never seen before in recent politics. Americans want a strong leader, one who cares more about the safety and freedom of the American people than he does winning elections, or what the press might think. In honor of those we have fought with, I am proud to endorse the next President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.”
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: austingirl on May 01, 2016, 09:51:37 pm
So all these people who endorse Trump are dupes, fools, ignorant and stupid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Look it over closely.
Those who look to authoritarian leaders are susceptible to a cult of personality like Trump.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: HonestJohn on May 01, 2016, 09:53:13 pm
Yeah....but, but, but......WALL!!!!!!

And Mexicans are RAPISTS!!! (Hide 'ur wimmen, the Hottentots R commin'!!!)

Deport 'em all!
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: 240B on May 01, 2016, 09:54:53 pm
I will easily put all this bickering to bed right now. To deny the divinity of Trump and Trump's campaign as well as his role presently and in the future, is to deny God to his face.

The parallels between what Trump is doing, and how he is being treated are similar in many aspects to what Jesus did and how Jesus was treated for it. While Jesus worked to reform a religious institution which he felt had lost its way, Trump seeks to reform a government which has gone wildly astray of its founding principles as well as ignoring and even disparaging the so called, "will of the people".

The link below is to an article called Donald 'Jesus' Trump in the American thinker which explains this much better than I ever could.

Calm down. Accept 'The Donald' for who he is and what his mission must be. The world will be enlightened and a better place for his being sent to us.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/04/donald_jesus_trump.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/04/donald_jesus_trump.html)
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: HonestJohn on May 01, 2016, 09:57:15 pm
Those who look to authoritarian leaders are susceptible to a cult of personality like Trump.

This.

It's not really a right-left issue with Trump.  It's an authoritarian vs freedom issue.

Trump's a nascent dictator and I don't want to give him the chance to grow into the role.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: austingirl on May 01, 2016, 10:01:35 pm
This.

It's not really a right-left issue with Trump.  It's an authoritarian vs freedom issue.

Trump's a nascent dictator and I don't want to give him the chance to grow into the role.
:amen:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 10:04:51 pm
Those who look to authoritarian leaders are susceptible to a cult of personality like Trump.

So all these people who endorse Trump are dupes, fools, ignorant,  stupid  and susceptible to a cult of personality like Trump?  You mean the people listed below?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016


    Michael T. Flynn, retired U.S. Lieutenant General, director of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (2012–2014), commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, and foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign[30]

    Gary L. Harrell, retired as a Major General, former Delta Force commander, and adviser to the Trump campaign[31][32]

    Charles R. Kubic, retired Rear Admiral, former Commander of the 1st Naval Construction Division and 1st Marine Expeditionary Force Engineer Group, president of engineering firm ECC International, LLC, and adviser to the Trump campaign[31][33]

    Bert Mizusawa, U.S. Army Major General, former Deputy Director for Strategic Initiatives, Joint Chiefs of Staff, former commander of the Combined Joint Interagency Task Force-Afghanistan (CJIATF-A), and adviser to the Trump campaign[31][34]

    Robert C. Oaks, retired U.S. Air Force General, commander of Air Training Command and United States Air Forces in Europe (1986–1990), former Senior Vice President of U.S. Airways, and general authority of Mormon Church[35][36]

    Paul E. Vallely, retired U.S. Army Major General, 351st Civil Affairs Commander (1982–1986), former Deputy
Commanding General, Pacific Command, co-author of Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror, and Military Committee Chairman for the Center for Security Policy[37][38][39]


    Mark Burns, pastor and co-founder of the South Carolina-based Christian TV network, The NOW Network[192]

    Jerry Falwell, Jr., president of Liberty University[193]

    Carl Gallups, Florida pastor and Sandy Hook truther[194][195]

    Robert Jeffress, pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas[196]

    James F. Linzey, ordained minister in the Southern Baptist Convention[197]

    James David Manning, chief pastor at the ATLAH World Missionary Church[198]

    Mike Murdock, singer-songwriter, televangelist and pastor of the Wisdom Center ministry[199]

    Darrell Scott, Cleveland-based pastor and now CEO of the National Diversity Coalition for Trump[200]

Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 10:06:53 pm
And Mexicans are RAPISTS!!! (Hide 'ur wimmen, the Hottentots R commin'!!!)

Deport 'em all!

 888ohnoes
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: HonestJohn on May 01, 2016, 10:07:14 pm
I will easily put all this bickering to bed right now. To deny the divinity of Trump and Trump's campaign as well as his role presently and in the future, is to deny God to his face.

The parallels between what Trump is doing, and how he is being treated are similar in many aspects to what Jesus did and how Jesus was treated for it. While Jesus worked to reform a religious institution which he felt had lost its way, Trump seeks to reform a government which has gone wildly astray of its founding principles as well as ignoring and even disparaging the so called, "will of the people".

The link below is to an article called Donald 'Jesus' Trump in the American thinker which explains this much better than I ever could.

Calm down. Accept 'The Donald' for who he is and what his mission must be. The world will be enlightened and a better place for his being sent to us.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/04/donald_jesus_trump.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/04/donald_jesus_trump.html)

I posted something similar yesterday.  It's remarkable that two different authors from two different sources have come to the same conclusion.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204380.0.html
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 01, 2016, 10:12:01 pm
I will easily put all this bickering to bed right now. To deny the divinity of Trump and Trump's campaign as well as his role presently and in the future, is to deny God to his face.

The parallels between what Trump is doing, and how he is being treated are similar in many aspects to what Jesus did and how Jesus was treated for it. While Jesus worked to reform a religious institution which he felt had lost its way, Trump seeks to reform a government which has gone wildly astray of its founding principles as well as ignoring and even disparaging the so called, "will of the people".

The link below is to an article called Donald 'Jesus' Trump in the American thinker which explains this much better than I ever could.

Calm down. Accept 'The Donald' for who he is and what his mission must be. The world will be enlightened and a better place for his being sent to us.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/04/donald_jesus_trump.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/04/donald_jesus_trump.html)

Jesus H Trump!

(https://awaypoint.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/trump-jesus.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 01, 2016, 10:14:23 pm
Fort Wayne, Indiana. Sunday, May 1   
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZhKC2U0AAUWen.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZhKDHUgAEGalK.jpg)

Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 01, 2016, 10:15:53 pm
Those who look to authoritarian leaders are susceptible to a cult of personality like Trump.

You mean...like a "Chosen" one. Also known as Herr Cruz!
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 01, 2016, 10:19:08 pm
This.

It's not really a right-left issue with Trump.  It's an authoritarian vs freedom issue.

Trump's a nascent dictator and I don't want to give him the chance to grow into the role.

Dictators are rarely "deal makers". No, those tend to be hardcore ideologues...you know...like Ted Cruz and/or Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 01, 2016, 10:23:06 pm
Dictators are rarely "deal makers". No, those tend to be hardcore ideologues...you know...like Ted Cruz and/or Hillary Clinton.


 :thumbsup3:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 10:25:49 pm
Dictators are rarely "deal makers". No, those tend to be hardcore ideologues...you know...like Ted Cruz and/or Hillary Clinton.

 :thumbsup: goopo
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: sinkspur on May 01, 2016, 10:26:12 pm
Dictators are rarely "deal makers". No, those tend to be hardcore ideologues...you know...like Ted Cruz and/or Hillary Clinton.

Trump's not gonna make any "deals."  That's bullshit for his bubbas.  Trump will do what he wants; he'll overstep Constitutional bounds more than Obama.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: austingirl on May 01, 2016, 10:26:23 pm
@A-Lert
As I said, people who look to authoritarians are susceptible to a  cult of personality.

Other traits include a desire to belong, gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks),low tolerance for ambiguity, dissatisfaction with the status quo), idealism, susceptibility to trance-like states (think of the mindless stupor and fainting at Obama rallies), lack of self-confidence, and ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: austingirl on May 01, 2016, 10:28:13 pm
You mean...like a "Chosen" one. Also known as Herr Cruz!
Not in my case. Cruz is a consistent Constitutionalist and so am I.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 10:29:58 pm
Trump's not gonna make any "deals."  That's bullshit for his bubbas.  Trump will do what he wants; he'll overstep Constitutional bounds more than Obama.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/trump-trump-donald-j/1110292835

Trump: The Art of the Deal
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: austingirl on May 01, 2016, 10:31:48 pm
Dictators are rarely "deal makers". No, those tend to be hardcore ideologues...you know...like Ted Cruz and/or Hillary Clinton.
So you admit you are not a Constitutional Conservative or hardcore ideologue as you term Cruz? I guess that is why you support the liberal.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 10:34:32 pm
@A-Lert
As I said, people who look to authoritarians are susceptible to a  cult of personality.

Other traits include a desire to belong, gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks),low tolerance for ambiguity, dissatisfaction with the status quo), idealism, susceptibility to trance-like states (think of the mindless stupor and fainting at Obama rallies), lack of self-confidence, and ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals.

So all those people who support and endorse Trump, the military leaders, religious leaders, politicians, business and civic leaders are just mindless, gullible dupes? Any wonder why we question the judgement of anti-Trumps/never trumps. :facepalm2:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: austingirl on May 01, 2016, 10:36:15 pm
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Trump's not gonna make any "deals."  That's bullshit for his bubbas.  Trump will do what he wants; he'll overstep Constitutional bounds more than Obama.
Trump will make Zero look like a piker when it comes to executive orders. Just imagine if he doesn't get his way about something! Shouts of "you're fired!" coming from the Oval Office.  :lotsosmileys:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 01, 2016, 10:40:09 pm
Fort Wayne, Indiana. Sunday, May 1   
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZhKC2U0AAUWen.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZhKDHUgAEGalK.jpg)

McCain Palin rally....

(http://www.beldar.org/beldarblog/images/2008/09/07/mccain_palin_colorado_springs_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Henry Noel on May 01, 2016, 10:40:39 pm
Trump will make Zero look like a piker when it comes to executive orders. Just imagine if he doesn't get his way about something! Shouts of "you're fired!" coming from the Oval Office.  :lotsosmileys:

And that is very, very dangerous. Obama has already set the precedent for concentrating power in the Executive. Trump, with his ego, will walk right through that door and make himself at home.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 01, 2016, 10:41:35 pm
So all those people who support and endorse Trump, the military leaders, religious leaders, politicians, business and civic leaders are just mindless, gullible dupes? Any wonder why we question the judgement of anti-Trumps/never trumps. :facepalm2:

They are either that or closet Leftists. Take your choice.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: austingirl on May 01, 2016, 10:41:44 pm
So all those people who support and endorse Trump, the military leaders, religious leaders, politicians, business and civic leaders are just mindless, gullible dupes? Any wonder why we question the judgement of anti-Trumps/never trumps. :facepalm2:
His endorsers were buffaloed for some reason. Many of those people who endorsed him early are probably regretting their rashness. Especially since the "Caitlyn" Jenner potty comment, his continued flip-flops, name-calling, and lack of preparation for a ground game, his hiring of Manafort -the ultimate Washington lobbyist/insider, and his association with the scummy Roger Stone.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mod1 on May 01, 2016, 10:47:37 pm
Because this appears to be poster-authored, and not a sourced published article, it is being moved to "From our Members."
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 10:49:03 pm
So you admit you are not a Constitutional Conservative or hardcore ideologue as you term Cruz? I guess that is why you support the liberal.

What has  a national hardcore conservative  ideologue politician accomplished in the last few decades? Why haven't they accomplished anything of note?
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 10:51:13 pm
They are either that or closet Leftists. Take your choice.

Your judgement reflects poorly on all anti/never trumps.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 10:53:15 pm
His endorsers were buffaloed for some reason. Many of those people who endorsed him early are probably regretting their rashness. Especially since the "Caitlyn" Jenner potty comment, his continued flip-flops, name-calling, and lack of preparation for a ground game, his hiring of Manafort -the ultimate Washington lobbyist/insider, and his association with the scummy Roger Stone.

Buffaloed? Tin foil wrapped a bit too tightly?  :silly:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 01, 2016, 10:58:14 pm
McCain Palin rally....

(http://www.beldar.org/beldarblog/images/2008/09/07/mccain_palin_colorado_springs_2.jpg)

Didn't they win the nomination?
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 01, 2016, 10:59:08 pm
Your judgement reflects poorly on all anti/never trumps.

And your inability to argue any points in favor of Trump and just spam threads with your pathetic whining about being mistreated reflect on you singularly and a generally dim individual.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Frank Cannon on May 01, 2016, 10:59:48 pm
Didn't they win the nomination?

They absolutely did. Far quicker that Trump as a matter of fact.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 11:15:42 pm
And your inability to argue any points in favor of Trump and just spam threads with your pathetic whining about being mistreated reflect on you singularly as a jack ass and a generally dim individual.

I have no control over your ability to read my posts. I have repeatedly stated why I favor Trump and why others do. You anti/neverTrumps are just blinded by hatred, vulgarity and self-righteousness.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 11:21:41 pm
And your inability to argue any points in favor of Trump and just spam threads with your pathetic whining about being mistreated reflect on you singularly as a jack ass and a generally dim individual.

I'd report your childish insults, but I find your emoting to be quite reflective, laughable  and entertaining. :mauslaff:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 01, 2016, 11:41:17 pm
So all these people who endorse Trump are dupes, fools, ignorant and stupid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Look it over closely.
Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 01, 2016, 11:47:01 pm
Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria

Your judgement borders on hysterical.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Bigun on May 01, 2016, 11:52:31 pm
I would have to say that the "dupes" are us.

Anyone calling themselves "conservative" while being a supporter of Trump ought to at a minimum be real with themselves and declare their new far left liberal party affiliation.

Right on!  :beer:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: 240B on May 02, 2016, 12:20:07 am
I posted something similar yesterday.  It's remarkable that two different authors from two different sources have come to the same conclusion.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204380.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204380.0.html)

I am impressed that you caught on to my tongue-in-cheek post. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem voting for Trump if he gets the nomination, but I do not actually believe he is divine in any way whatsoever. And, I have no problem voting for Cruz if he gets the nomination. I would gladly vote for either one.

I posted that to start a flame war, and I am surprised that it didn't work. I guess I don't know GOPBR as well as I thought I do. Anyway, nice to read you guys. Heading for bed now. Good night.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: austingirl on May 02, 2016, 12:29:42 am
Your judgement reflects poorly on all anti/never trumps.
What are the reasons you support the NY liberal? Your responses to those who oppose Trump contain only snark.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 02, 2016, 12:49:24 am
So all these people who endorse Trump are dupes, fools, ignorant and stupid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Look it over closely.

Pretty much.  Lots of really good examples here.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 02, 2016, 12:50:10 am
What are the reasons you support the NY liberal? Your responses to those who oppose Trump contain only snark.

Because he'd rather believe Trump's "truthful hyperbole" than the facts.  Trump says "Wall" and he gets all weak-kneed and giggly.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 02, 2016, 01:11:12 am
What are the reasons you support the NY liberal? Your responses to those who oppose Trump contain only snark.

The New York 'liberal' that has contributed nearly a million dollars to the Republican party?

Evidently YOU haven't been around long enough or interested enough to read what has been posted repeatedly to the vulgar anti/never Trumps.  A synopsis;

Make the US business friendly for manufacturing and  natural resource exploration and extraction.

Secure our borders

FAIR TRADE

Improve the military, equipment, benefits and morale.

Make allies shoulder more of the financial burdens for their protection.

Concealed carry reciprocity.

Make America Great again.

No way in hell do I want Hillary, the sexual predator enabler,  anywhere near the White House.

Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 02, 2016, 01:21:47 am
The New York 'liberal' that has contributed nearly a million dollars to the Republican party?

Evidently YOU haven't been around long enough or interested enough to read what has been posted repeatedly to the vulgar anti/never Trumps.  A synopsis;

Make the US business friendly for manufacturing and  natural resource exploration and extraction.

Secure our borders

FAIR TRADE

Improve the military, equipment, benefits and morale.

Make allies shoulder more of the financial burdens for their protection.

Concealed carry reciprocity.

Make America Great again.

No way in hell do I want Hillary, the sexual predator enabler,  anywhere near the White House.



All of that is nothing more than "truthful hyperbole" - words out of Trump's mouth with no rhyme or reason to believe that he isn't lying now the same way he's already happily admitted he does in every other negotiation.

Contributions of money to GOP:  Everyone who now supports Trump claims they hate the "establishment" because they're too easily bought should understand this - Trump was merely buying himself some politicians.  He was quite ecumenical about that because he paid for a lot of democrats/liberals, too.  The contributions would only have meaning if he had not been so ecumenical; as it is, they merely demonstrate his desire to buy off politicians, not any adherence to republican ideals.

Fair Trade?  45% tariffs are economic suicide, not fair trade.

Foreign affairs?  Lulu-bell Trump has his little foreign affairs speech wherein he says we're going to have to stop paying for our allies' defense, and then in the next breath wonders why our allies no longer trust us.  Duh.  If he had the brains of even a normal LIV his head would have exploded from the cognitive dissonance.

Incoherence isn't just the theme of Trump, and his campaign, but his supporters as well.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 02, 2016, 01:48:46 am


 :wtf!: :mauslaff:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 02, 2016, 01:50:13 am
:wtf!: :mauslaff:

"Truthful hyperbole"

otherwise known as the Trump koolaid, that all the Trump worshippers, like A-Lert, have drunk deeply from.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 02, 2016, 02:00:56 am


 :boring: :yawn2:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 02, 2016, 02:10:36 am
Your judgement borders on hysterical.
Just answering the question you asked.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Bill Cipher on May 02, 2016, 02:13:09 am



88finger point
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: politicalwit on May 02, 2016, 02:23:35 am
"Truthful hyperbole"

otherwise known as the Trump koolaid, that all the Trump worshippers, like A-Lert, have drunk deeply from.

That would be Trumpicol Punch..."the new orange drank." For the constitutional conservative it's hard to swallow and extremely bitter.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 02, 2016, 03:17:29 am
@A-Lert
As I said, people who look to authoritarians are susceptible to a  cult of personality.

Other traits include a desire to belong, gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks),low tolerance for ambiguity, dissatisfaction with the status quo), idealism, susceptibility to trance-like states (think of the mindless stupor and fainting at Obama rallies), lack of self-confidence, and ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals.

Goodness! You've described a Ted Cruz follower in perfect detail. Good work. You should add religious fervor to your list.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: EasyAce on May 02, 2016, 04:06:04 am
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Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 02, 2016, 04:14:58 am
Goodness! You've described a Ted Cruz follower in perfect detail. Good work. You should add religious fervor to your list.

The mindless attacks of the anti/neverTrumps are pathetic.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: washi on May 02, 2016, 05:44:33 am
You mean...like a "Chosen" one. Also known as Herr Cruz!
I've got to say, I've never been a fan of the "I know you are, but what am I" debate tactic.
The borderline nazi reference is pretty lame, too.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 02, 2016, 10:58:46 pm
I've got to say, I've never been a fan of the "I know you are, but what am I" debate tactic.
The borderline nazi reference is pretty lame, too.

Its satire. The NeverTrump never cease breaking Godwin's Law...its become comedic and well deserving of ridicule.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: truth_seeker on May 02, 2016, 11:18:46 pm
You mean...like a "Chosen" one. Also known as Herr Cruz!
Ah, yes. The "AnoinTED"
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: sinkspur on May 02, 2016, 11:25:16 pm
Its satire. The NeverTrump never cease breaking Godwin's Law...its become comedic and well deserving of ridicule.

It's an insult and you know it's an insult. 

You should read Andrew Sullivan's insightful article about Trump and Tyranny.  It's on target.

If you think things are going to be all sweetness and light after Trump gets the nomination, think again.  Trump will need to get 30% of Democrats to vote for him to offset Republicans who won't.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: truth_seeker on May 02, 2016, 11:39:52 pm
The mindless attacks of the anti/neverTrumps are pathetic.
Already mathematically eliminated yet marching on now with VP choice "in hand," TED encourages folks to remain in denial.

But some can read and understand numbers and desperation, dismissal, disapproval, and in reality denial, for a time.

Reality is a hard nut to swallow.

I went to the Costa Mesa rally. I saw "Silent Majority" signs. I heard talk about San Bernardino 14 dead (failure of national security screening), and San Francisco one dead (failure of national immigration system).

Wanting to do something meaningful in these areas is not inconsistent with "conservatism."

I heard of "jobs, jobs, jobs" and our economy, and I find nothing there inconsistent, with "conservatism."

Those who have been on this site, GOPBR for awhile, know that name calling Trump supporters has not worked.

But go ahead, anyway. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.



Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 03, 2016, 12:09:54 am
Its satire. The NeverTrump never cease breaking Godwin's Law...its become comedic and well deserving of ridicule.
This isn't crying wolf anymore. The wolf is actually coming this time.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 03, 2016, 12:21:03 am

Wanting to do something meaningful in these areas is not inconsistent with "conservatism."

I heard of "jobs, jobs, jobs" and our economy, and I find nothing there inconsistent, with "conservatism."
Where do jobs come from?

When people want jobs, the only way the government can have an impact is to directly create them, either two ways: increasing the public sector, or going to war. Neither has any inherent form of revenue to pay for itself. There's the liberal Republican way to do it, borrowing, or the liberal Democrat way to do it, raising taxes; the Democrats figured out how to make it palatable by raising taxes on a minority.

If the government wants to create private sector, sustainable jobs... there really is nothing they can do about it. If there aren't enough  resources to support good-paying careers, and a machine or foreigner is able to do the work they want to do, but cheaper, they're screwed. The value of their labor is not high enough and no intervention from the government can change that dynamic.

This is why conservatism never sells: truth is sometimes unpalatable to the masses.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: mountaineer on May 03, 2016, 12:24:38 am
I've got to say, I've never been a fan of the "I know you are, but what am I" debate tactic.
The borderline nazi reference is pretty lame, too.
I've always heard that the first person to call the other a Nazi has lost the debate.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 03, 2016, 12:29:58 am
This isn't crying wolf anymore. The wolf is actually coming this time.

No, its more of a Chicken Little thing. Only more laughable.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 03, 2016, 12:34:44 am
I've always heard that the first person to call the other a Nazi has lost the debate.  :shrug:

Could not agree more. In this long running argument on the board, the NeverTrumps continuously bring this Nazi garbage into discussions, and as you say, they've clearly lost the overall debate. I guess the axiom you cite is spot on. Good insight on that one, Mountain.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 03, 2016, 12:39:38 am
Could not agree more. In this long running argument on the board, the NeverTrumps continuously bring this Nazi garbage into discussions, and as you say, they've clearly lost the overall debate. I guess the axiom you cite is spot on. Good insight on that one, Mountain.
How would you react if the Nazis actually did come back, and when would you recognize it? Would you pooh-pooh the notion, just as you do now?
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 12:47:49 am
Already mathematically eliminated yet marching on now with VP choice "in hand," TED encourages folks to remain in denial.

But some can read and understand numbers and desperation, dismissal, disapproval, and in reality denial, for a time.

Reality is a hard nut to swallow.

I went to the Costa Mesa rally. I saw "Silent Majority" signs. I heard talk about San Bernardino 14 dead (failure of national security screening), and San Francisco one dead (failure of national immigration system).

Wanting to do something meaningful in these areas is not inconsistent with "conservatism."

I heard of "jobs, jobs, jobs" and our economy, and I find nothing there inconsistent, with "conservatism."

Those who have been on this site, GOPBR for awhile, know that name calling Trump supporters has not worked.

But go ahead, anyway. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.

Larry King said in an interview I just saw that he's known Donald Trump a long time and that Trump is "a good guy".
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 03, 2016, 12:51:40 am
How would you react if the Nazis actually did come back, and when would you recognize it? Would you pooh-pooh the notion, just as you do now?

Your understanding of history makes me weep for you.

Nazism and its rise, including its leadership, is the diametric opposite of the current rise of Mr. Trump within the GOP and across the nation. Trying to compare the two is intellectually laughable. Seriously, you should seek some counseling at the professional level if you really believe this tinfoil hat stuff.

Hitler was an ideologue, Trump is a deal maker and a salesmen. Now CRUZ is an ideologue...but I STILL would not draw an analogy because the dissimilarities so outweigh everything else. If you want to compare things to the kind of rigid ideology the Nazis embraced, in our modern setting you'd have to look to religious orthodoxy on the right and anarchist philosophy on the left...a very imperfect analogy in both cases, but the only apt ones you'll find.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: mystery-ak on May 03, 2016, 01:00:31 am
Larry King said in an interview I just saw that he's known Donald Trump a long time and that Trump is "a good guy".

Well that's all I needed to hear...he's got my vote now...................../s
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: sinkspur on May 03, 2016, 01:01:14 am
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But the most powerful engine for such a movement — the thing that gets it off the ground, shapes and solidifies and entrenches it — is always the evocation of hatred. It is, as Hoffer put it, “the most accessible and comprehensive of all unifying elements.” And so Trump launched his campaign by calling undocumented Mexican immigrants a population largely of rapists and murderers. He moved on to Muslims, both at home and abroad. He has now added to these enemies — with sly brilliance — the Republican Establishment itself. And what makes Trump uniquely dangerous in the history of American politics — with far broader national appeal than, say, Huey Long or George Wallace — is his response to all three enemies. It’s the threat of blunt coercion and dominance.

And so after demonizing most undocumented Mexican immigrants, he then vowed to round up and deport all 11 million of them by force. “They have to go” was the typically blunt phrase he used — and somehow people didn’t immediately recognize the monstrous historical echoes. The sheer scale of the police and military operation that this policy would entail boggles the mind. Worse, he emphasized, after the mass murder in San Bernardino, that even the Muslim-Americans you know intimately may turn around and massacre you at any juncture. “There’s something going on,” he declaimed ominously, giving legitimacy to the most hysterical and ugly of human impulses.

To call this fascism doesn’t do justice to fascism. Fascism had, in some measure, an ideology and occasional coherence that Trump utterly lacks. But his movement is clearly fascistic in its demonization of foreigners, its hyping of a threat by a domestic minority (Muslims and Mexicans are the new Jews), its focus on a single supreme leader of what can only be called a cult, and its deep belief in violence and coercion in a democracy that has heretofore relied on debate and persuasion. This is the Weimar aspect of our current moment. Just as the English Civil War ended with a dictatorship under Oliver Cromwell, and the French Revolution gave us Napoleon Bonaparte, and the unstable chaos of Russian democracy yielded to Vladimir Putin, and the most recent burst of Egyptian democracy set the conditions for General el-Sisi’s coup, so our paralyzed, emotional hyperdemocracy leads the stumbling, frustrated, angry voter toward the chimerical panacea of Trump/

Democracies end when they're too democratic

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204640.0.html
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 03, 2016, 01:03:33 am
Larry King said in an interview I just saw that he's known Donald Trump a long time and that Trump is "a good guy".
First off, King works for the Russian government now (their English propaganda outlet RT America to be specific), and second, both King and Trump are known for serial matrimony. They're two peas in a pod.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 03, 2016, 01:06:16 am
Democracies end when they're too democratic

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204640.0.html

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Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 03, 2016, 01:08:17 am
Your understanding of history makes me weep for you.

Nazism and its rise, including its leadership, is the diametric opposite of the current rise of Mr. Trump within the GOP and across the nation. Trying to compare the two is intellectually laughable. Seriously, you should seek some counseling at the professional level if you really believe this tinfoil hat stuff.

Hitler was an ideologue, Trump is a deal maker and a salesmen. Now CRUZ is an ideologue...but I STILL would not draw an analogy because the dissimilarities so outweigh everything else. If you want to compare things to the kind of rigid ideology the Nazis embraced, in our modern setting you'd have to look to religious orthodoxy on the right and anarchist philosophy on the left...a very imperfect analogy in both cases, but the only apt ones you'll find.
Did not Hitler meld the two disparate ideas of nationalism and socialism? One could not be an effective demagogue working over both of those groups sticking to either rigid ideology alone. Of course he engaged in deals and salesmanship. He took classes on oratory and showmanship; they became trademarks of his style.

The one place where he's not the same as Trump is in his support for eugenics and genocide. Thankfully even Trump is not that insane. But the same threatening approach toward dissidents, the demagoguery, the blatant disregard for truth—these things share a lot in common with the dangerous despots of the world.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 01:27:30 am
Well that's all I needed to hear...he's got my vote now...................../s

Well in contrast to the racist, misogynist ogre he's been made out to be here  by anti-Trumps, I thought it was an informative, refreshing change. :patriot:
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 03, 2016, 01:54:17 am
Did not Hitler meld the two disparate ideas of nationalism and socialism? One could not be an effective demagogue working over both of those groups sticking to either rigid ideology alone. Of course he engaged in deals and salesmanship. He took classes on oratory and showmanship; they became trademarks of his style.

The one place where he's not the same as Trump is in his support for eugenics and genocide. Thankfully even Trump is not that insane. But the same threatening approach toward dissidents, the demagoguery, the blatant disregard for truth—these things share a lot in common with the dangerous despots of the world.

Socialism?

Two points:
1) The Nazis fought and murdered Socialists in the streets and interned them. The term "Socialist" in their moniker does not mean what you seem to think it means.
2) Donald Trump is certainly one of the top 10 greatest Capitalists on the planet...but you consider him a socialist? Really? Are you confused about left and right, up and down...other basic "opposites"?
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: sinkspur on May 03, 2016, 02:05:50 am
Socialism?

Two points:
1) The Nazis fought and murdered Socialists in the streets and interned them. The term "Socialist" in their moniker does not mean what you seem to think it means.
2) Donald Trump is certainly one of the top 10 greatest Capitalists on the planet...but you consider him a socialist? Really? Are you confused about left and right, up and down...other basic "opposites"?

There are 120 Americans who are greater Capitalists than Trump.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/gallery/donald-trump
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 03, 2016, 02:10:28 am
There are 120 Americans who are greater Capitalists than Trump.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/gallery/donald-trump

Which means there are 318.91 million who are lesser Capitalists than him. Pretty good odds by any measure.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: sinkspur on May 03, 2016, 02:13:38 am
Which means there are 318.91 million who are lesser Capitalists than him. Pretty good odds by any measure.

He's certainly not one of the top 10 greatest Capitalists in the world. Hell, he wouldn't make the top 500, especially since Forbes values his net worth at $4 billion, not 10.  Ross Perot had Trump money back in the 80s when a billion was REALLY a billion.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: truth_seeker on May 03, 2016, 02:57:08 am
Where do jobs come from?

When people want jobs, the only way the government can have an impact is to directly create them, either two ways: increasing the public sector, or going to war.

How about pipeline approvals? That is an example of where a mere government go ahead unleashes spending and employment.

Military spending also adds employment, to stay strong to avoid war. Remember Regan, peace through strength?

You should maybe not try business and economics, and I will stay away from weather forecasting.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: HootOwl on May 03, 2016, 03:23:14 am
I have no control over your ability to read my posts. I have repeatedly stated why I favor Trump and why others do. You anti/neverTrumps are just blinded by hatred, vulgarity and self-righteousness.

Did Free Republic Zot you???  What a stupid question!  We don't think ALL Trumpers are like Mr. Wonderful on the street--just most of his supporters--but we are  "blinded by our ....and whatever.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 04:52:30 am
@HootOwl   

Is that fourth sentence the beginning of your "response" in the quote box? Because it isn't my quote.  You appear to be a bit confused.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 03, 2016, 08:08:44 am
So all these people who endorse Trump are dupes, fools, ignorant and stupid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Look it over closely.

If you're supporting someone who has bashed the Reagan tax cuts...supported partial birth abortion...donated to every GOPe and hard left Libtard in Congress...praised Obama AND Hillary...then YES no matter how much you call yourself a "Conservative"....you are a dupe a fool ignorant and stupid.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 03, 2016, 08:10:25 am
Which means there are 318.91 million who are lesser Capitalists than him. Pretty good odds by any measure.

Herbert Hoover was great capitalist...sucked as President.  Gave us the Great Depression and FDR.

Just sayin...
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 03, 2016, 08:15:11 am
Socialism?

Two points:
1) The Nazis fought and murdered Socialists in the streets and interned them. The term "Socialist" in their moniker does not mean what you seem to think it means.

Ummm what part of "Socialist" in  National Socialist German Workers' Party... Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte...(NAZI Party for short) are we not understanding?

They didn't murder "Socialists" in the streets...they imprisioned and murdered Communists and Bolsheviks.




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2) Donald Trump is certainly one of the top 10 greatest Capitalists on the planet...but you consider him a socialist? Really? Are you confused about left and right, up and down...other basic "opposites"?

He's not even close.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: A-Lert on May 03, 2016, 08:57:10 am
If you're supporting someone who has bashed the Reagan tax cuts...supported partial birth abortion...donated to every GOPe and hard left Libtard in Congress...praised Obama AND Hillary...then YES no matter how much you call yourself a "Conservative"....you are a dupe a fool ignorant and stupid.

FYI  You may want to dispose of the personal insults. They are not looked upon kindly here.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 03, 2016, 09:37:17 am
FYI  You may want to dispose of the personal insults. They are not looked upon kindly here.

Ummm there was no personal insult directed towards you. 

Trust me...those that know me here from other places...including FR will tell you that you'll know if a personal insult has been direted towards you.

I was merely repeating part of your question you tossed out as far as what it means if a "Conservative" supports Trump.

You asked "does that mean that they are X,Y,Z"?

I replied that YES it does make you "X,Y.Z".

Now if YOU take that as a personal insult...then that's on you.  Learn to either ask better questions or learn to not take every response to questions you pose as an affront to you personally.

Either way...it's on you.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 03, 2016, 09:38:14 am
FYI  You may want to dispose of the personal insults. They are not looked upon kindly here.

And as an aside...quite frankly...WTF are YOU gonna do about it anyway?
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mod2 on May 03, 2016, 10:06:12 am
And as an aside...quite frankly...WTF are YOU gonna do about it anyway?

He'll do nothing. Maybe complain (Note, he has not), and I do detest being bothered by reports.

Don't insult members. It is one of the two fixed rules here. The other is don't be a dick.

Now, I'm not seeing an actual direct insult here, but it is borderline. Even with the use of "If" in front of the word "you."

For future reference, use "Anyone who ... ." That can simply not be construed as a direct insult to a member.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 03, 2016, 11:32:24 am
He'll do nothing. Maybe complain (Note, he has not), and I do detest being bothered by reports.

IMHO He's a pot stirrer....figured that out already.

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Don't insult members. It is one of the two fixed rules here.

No worries.  He's doing it to himself.


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The other is don't be a dick.

Nah I'm just an bleep   But a friendly one.  :)

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Now, I'm not seeing an actual direct insult here, but it is borderline. Even with the use of "If" in front of the word "you."

For future reference, use "Anyone who ... ." That can simply not be construed as a direct insult to a member.

Just to clarify....and to help you understand the context to which my answer applied...this is what I responded to.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204512.msg859065.html#msg859065

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So all these people who endorse Trump are dupes, fools, ignorant and stupid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

Look it over closely.

Despite the pot stirrer's intent to make my reply about he/she/it...it was intended towards his/her question in the post.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 03, 2016, 04:15:35 pm
Ummm what part of "Socialist" in  National Socialist German Workers' Party... Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte...(NAZI Party for short) are we not understanding?

They didn't murder "Socialists" in the streets...they imprisioned and murdered Communists and Bolsheviks.




He's not even close.

Seriously, pick up a history book. Hitler totally disavowed any genuine "socialist" leanings within his party and purged anyone who deviated from his line. And you are dead wrong, he imprisoned and murdered Socialists...by the bucket load.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Henry Noel on May 03, 2016, 04:26:40 pm
Seriously, pick up a history book. Hitler totally disavowed any genuine "socialist" leanings within his party and purged anyone who deviated from his line. And you are dead wrong, he imprisoned and murdered Socialists...by the bucket load.

Well, if he disavowed them, that's that.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 03, 2016, 07:02:57 pm
Seriously, pick up a history book. Hitler totally disavowed any genuine "socialist" leanings within his party and purged anyone who deviated from his line. And you are dead wrong, he imprisoned and murdered Socialists...by the bucket load.

I do read history.  Hell I've walked through the Inernment Camps here in Germany and seen the history of who was imprisoned and why.  Hitler didn't start with the Jews.

He started with the Communists.

Then the Gypsies.

Once he had the Camp system perfected...he went after the Jews.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 03, 2016, 11:44:59 pm
I do read history.  Hell I've walked through the Inernment Camps here in Germany and seen the history of who was imprisoned and why.  Hitler didn't start with the Jews.

He started with the Communists.

Then the Gypsies.

Once he had the Camp system perfected...he went after the Jews.

I too have walked through some of the camps, Dachau in particular. I lived in Germany for nearly 5 years as a soldier. But none of that means I know about the history of the Third Reich. That comes from study, and you clearly have done little. Everyone knows he came for the Gypsies and Communists...you left out the mentally and physically handicapped as well...so this is not some sort of insight. Hitler and the Nazis hunted Socialists and sent them to the camps. The use of the term "Socialist" in the party name referred only to citizenship and privileges for Aryans...not to an economic system as you are suggesting. Keep reading, bro.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 04, 2016, 08:08:34 am
I too have walked through some of the camps, Dachau in particular. I lived in Germany for nearly 5 years as a soldier. But none of that means I know about the history of the Third Reich. That comes from study, and you clearly have done little. Everyone knows he came for the Gypsies and Communists...you left out the mentally and physically handicapped as well...so this is not some sort of insight. Hitler and the Nazis hunted Socialists and sent them to the camps. The use of the term "Socialist" in the party name referred only to citizenship and privileges for Aryans...not to an economic system as you are suggesting. Keep reading, bro.

I was trying to keep it simple for you.  Since you seemed confused about the word Socialism in the NAZI Party name I didn't want to get too technical for you.

I have to admit that this is unusual...first time a Conservative has made the argument you're making...99.9% of the time I've heard what you're saying...it's come from the thumb suckers at DU.

Just saying...
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 04, 2016, 03:15:35 pm
I was trying to keep it simple for you.  Since you seemed confused about the word Socialism in the NAZI Party name I didn't want to get too technical for you.

I have to admit that this is unusual...first time a Conservative has made the argument you're making...99.9% of the time I've heard what you're saying...it's come from the thumb suckers at DU.

Just saying...

One of us is confused, and its the guy who thinks the term Socialism in National Socialism refers to Nazi economic policy. You are looking at the terms "Nationalism" and "Socialism" in their moniker as separate things, but they were intended as "National Socialism" a concept regarding Aryan superiority and unity and a government that purposefully suppresses all non-Aryans. In other words, it doesn't mean what you think it does. This is not a "left or right" view of Nazism, it is simply stating how Hitler and the Nazis viewed and promoted themselves.

Finally, no idea what "DU" is but if that is where you came its not a place I'd like to go.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 04, 2016, 09:02:34 pm
One of us is confused, and its the guy who thinks the term Socialism in National Socialism refers to Nazi economic policy. You are looking at the terms "Nationalism" and "Socialism" in their moniker as separate things, but they were intended as "National Socialism" a concept regarding Aryan superiority and unity and a government that purposefully suppresses all non-Aryans. In other words, it doesn't mean what you think it does. This is not a "left or right" view of Nazism, it is simply stating how Hitler and the Nazis viewed and promoted themselves.

Finally, no idea what "DU" is but if that is where you came its not a place I'd like to go.
DU is Democratic Underground; it's a left-wing political message board.

As for your contention that "National Socialism" was some sort of "concept regarding Aryan superiority and unity and a government that purposefully suppresses all non-Aryans." Nothing about that is true, except perhaps the unity part. The nationalist part may cover that, but socialism, in all of its forms, is socialism. Democratic, nationalist, totalitarian, whatever. They would not have included socialist in its party name had they not been influenced by socialism.

Remember, until the early 1940s, the Nazis and the Soviet Union were allies.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on May 04, 2016, 10:13:19 pm
Dictators are rarely "deal makers". No, those tend to be hardcore ideologues...you know...like Ted Cruz and/or Hillary Clinton.
At the risk of being slapped upside the head by Godwin's law (I despise Godwin's law by the way. Why can mention the Holy Roman Empire, but not Hitler. History is history. I'm not saying Trump is Hitler). Hitler made some great 'deals' with Chamberlain and Stalin.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 05, 2016, 01:52:18 am
DU is Democratic Underground; it's a left-wing political message board.

As for your contention that "National Socialism" was some sort of "concept regarding Aryan superiority and unity and a government that purposefully suppresses all non-Aryans." Nothing about that is true, except perhaps the unity part. The nationalist part may cover that, but socialism, in all of its forms, is socialism. Democratic, nationalist, totalitarian, whatever. They would not have included socialist in its party name had they not been influenced by socialism.

Remember, until the early 1940s, the Nazis and the Soviet Union were allies.

Look up the Strasser brothers, and let me know why they were purged from the Nazi party...one of them being killed a few years later?
I'll await your research.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 05, 2016, 06:31:22 am
Look up the Strasser brothers, and let me know why they were purged from the Nazi party...one of them being killed a few years later?
I'll await your research.
You inadvertently proved my point. The Strassers were part of the Nazi coalition—and socialists. The only reason one was killed was because Hitler viewed him as a threat to his faction's power, not because of ideology.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 05, 2016, 07:23:07 am
Trump isn't even the nominee yet and there are "Conservatives" already donning their custom fitted brown shirts and polishing their jackboots.

I'm a plank holding member at a forum called ConservativeCave.com and I've been battling the Trumpbots there like I am starting to do here.

This message was waiting for me this morning in a thread about the Trump rally in Florida.

(http://i.imgur.com/GhN5l6s.jpg)


No difference between the zealots on the left or right.  Both want to silence threaten and smear you for disagreeing with them.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: Mesaclone on May 05, 2016, 03:02:39 pm
Trump isn't even the nominee yet and there are "Conservatives" already donning their custom fitted brown shirts and polishing their jackboots.

I'm a plank holding member at a forum called ConservativeCave.com and I've been battling the Trumpbots there like I am starting to do here.

This message was waiting for me this morning in a thread about the Trump rally in Florida.

(http://i.imgur.com/GhN5l6s.jpg)


No difference between the zealots on the left or right.  Both want to silence threaten and smear you for disagreeing with them.

What a load. "Donning their custom fitted brown shirts"? You must be more intelligent than that, and I would hope more knowledgeable about your fellow Republicans. Those of us who support Mr. Trump are constitutionalists every bit as much as any Cruz supporter, and we believe in the Bill of Rights as our guiding principle. For you to imply that we are brown shirts is utterly laughable, and intellectually lazy.

So someone left you a stupid message...get over it. Most of us have experienced similar stupidities on the internet.  There is stupidity within the ranks of every candidate's supporters. Many of us here are veterans, no doubt, and we all understand that every soldier and veteran has the right to partake in the electoral process.

Where you're mistaken is this...the Left-Right zealots are prevalent within the ranks of Hillary and Cruz supporters. Far less so within the Trump ranks. These are the folks who are "fasting, praying, and calling for a Chosen One". The rest of us are simply applying common sense and reasoning to select a candidate, Mr. Trump, who will govern most effectively and in support of our own political beliefs.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: txradioguy on May 05, 2016, 03:12:43 pm
What a load. "Donning their custom fitted brown shirts"? You must be more intelligent than that, and I would hope more knowledgeable about your fellow Republicans. Those of us who support Mr. Trump are constitutionalists every bit as much as any Cruz supporter, and we believe in the Bill of Rights as our guiding principle. For you to imply that we are brown shirts is utterly laughable, and intellectually lazy.

So someone left you a stupid message...get over it. Most of us have experienced similar stupidities on the internet.  There is stupidity within the ranks of every candidate's supporters. Many of us here are veterans, no doubt, and we all understand that every soldier and veteran has the right to partake in the electoral process.

Where you're mistaken is this...the Left-Right zealots are prevalent within the ranks of Hillary and Cruz supporters. These are the folks who are "fasting, praying, and calling for a Chosen One". The rest of us are simply applying common sense and reasoning to select a candidate, Mr. Trump, who will govern most effectively and in support of our own political beliefs.


You are living proof that a Trump supporter will explain away and excuse anything a fellow Trumpbot does or says not matter how vile.

It's always the people that disagree with you that are the ones over reacting and not seeing the "big picture".

If we'd all just shut up and agree with you life would be sooooo much better right?  Because you are just sooomuch smarter and more intelligent than the rest of us.

You'll deny that last part but your smarmy arrogant demeanor and "I'm better cause I support Trump" bs you post says otherwise.


Trump wipes his ass with the Constitution...he's never even read the damn thing.


I pity people like you who are so willing to disengage their brain and follow someone so blindly.  It's pathetic.
Title: Re: Trump Mania
Post by: EasyAce on May 05, 2016, 05:46:25 pm
Those of us who support Mr. Trump are constitutionalists every bit as much as any Cruz supporter, and we believe in the Bill of Rights as our guiding principle.

Which makes it a shame that neither Donaldus Minimus nor Hilarious Rodent Clinton seems to believe
in the Bill of Rights---or the rest of the Constitution---as their guiding anything. What follows seems
to be only a small sample of where you can find that lack of belief on the part of both:

Donald Trump, Enemy of the Constitution (http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/03/donald-trump-enemy-of-the-constitution)
Hillary's Constitutional Aversion to Criticism (http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillarys-constitutional-aversion-to-criticism-1430868138)
Trump, the Anti-Constitutional Authoritarian---Liberty Lovers, Beware (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428208/trump-anti-constitutional-authoritarian-charles-c-w-cooke)
Hillary Clinton Doesn't Like That Constitution Thing (http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2015/10/03/hillary-clinton-doesnt-like-constitution-thing/)
Trump vs. the Constitution (http://reason.com/archives/2015/11/10/trump-vs-the-constitution)
Hillary Confuses Constitution, Declaration of Independence, with Gun Control Push (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/25/south-carolina-paper-gun-control-not-resonating-with-democrat-primary-voters/)
Donald Trump vs. the Constitution (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/donald-trump-vs.-the-constitution/article/2581763) (Not the same article as the previous one with the near-exact headline.)
Hillary Clinton's 'Unborn Person' Comments Anger Both Pro-Life, Pro-Choice Sides (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/3/hillary-clinton-unborn-person-has-no-constitutiona/?page=all) (The headline references Hilarious Rodent Clinton's remark that the unborn have no constitutional rights.)
Donald Trump a One-Man Wrecking Squad for the Constitution (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/2/bruce-fein-donald-trump-one-man-wrecking-squad-con/)
Hillary Clinton vs. James Madison (http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/hillary-clinton-vs-james-madison)
Trump and the Constitution (". . . there is good reason to fear that a President Trump would appoint judges who are likely to be a menace to our constitutional rights – especially from a conservative, libertarian, or originalist perspective.") (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/02/29/trump-and-the-constitution)
Why the Media Supports Hillary's Constitutional Rewrite and Hates Trump's (http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/08/28/why-the-media-loves-hillarys-idea-to-amend-the-constitution-and-hates-trumps/)
Donald Trump Dumps the Constitution (http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/252086-donald-trump-dumps-the-constitution)
Hillary Clinton celebrates ‘dystopian’ program that ‘violates the Constitution’s due process guarantees’ (http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2015/11/29/hillary-clinton-celebrates-dystopian-program-that-violates-the-constitutions-due-process-guarantees/)
The Right's Post-Constitutional Moment (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/12/donald-trump-constitution-opinion-213458)
The Albatross of a Trump Endorsement (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-albatross-of-a-trump-endorsement/2016/02/28/0521c478-de54-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html)
George Will: Hillary Clinton is First Candidate to Announce She Wants to "Change First Amendment" (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/04/14/george_will_hillary_clinton_is_first_candidate_to_announce_she_wants_to_change_first_amendment.html)

Suddenly I'm thankful that my state---which eliminated the write-in vote several years ago---at least
has the option to cast a vote for "none of the above." Which I will have to do come November, since
I refuse to respond to the house burning down by sending either of a pair of arsonists to fight the
blaze.