Trump Mania

[A-Lert]

 

[jmyrlefuller]

Your judgement borders on hysterical.

Just answering the question you asked. 

[Bill Cipher]

[politicalwit]

"Truthful hyperbole"

otherwise known as the Trump koolaid, that all the Trump worshippers, like A-Lert, have drunk deeply from.

That would be Trumpicol Punch..."the new orange drank." For the constitutional conservative it's hard to swallow and extremely bitter.

[Mesaclone]

@A-Lert
As I said, people who look to authoritarians are susceptible to a  cult of personality.

Other traits include a desire to belong, gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks),low tolerance for ambiguity, dissatisfaction with the status quo), idealism, susceptibility to trance-like states (think of the mindless stupor and fainting at Obama rallies), lack of self-confidence, and ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals.

Goodness! You've described a Ted Cruz follower in perfect detail. Good work. You should add religious fervor to your list.

[EasyAce]

[A-Lert]

Goodness! You've described a Ted Cruz follower in perfect detail. Good work. You should add religious fervor to your list.

The mindless attacks of the anti/neverTrumps are pathetic.

[washi]

You mean...like a "Chosen" one. Also known as Herr Cruz!

I've got to say, I've never been a fan of the "I know you are, but what am I" debate tactic.
The borderline nazi reference is pretty lame, too.

[Mesaclone]

I've got to say, I've never been a fan of the "I know you are, but what am I" debate tactic.
The borderline nazi reference is pretty lame, too.

Its satire. The NeverTrump never cease breaking Godwin's Law...its become comedic and well deserving of ridicule.

[truth_seeker]

You mean...like a "Chosen" one. Also known as Herr Cruz!

Ah, yes. The "AnoinTED"

[sinkspur]

Its satire. The NeverTrump never cease breaking Godwin's Law...its become comedic and well deserving of ridicule.

It's an insult and you know it's an insult. 

You should read Andrew Sullivan's insightful article about Trump and Tyranny.  It's on target.

If you think things are going to be all sweetness and light after Trump gets the nomination, think again.  Trump will need to get 30% of Democrats to vote for him to offset Republicans who won't.

[truth_seeker]

The mindless attacks of the anti/neverTrumps are pathetic.

Already mathematically eliminated yet marching on now with VP choice "in hand," TED encourages folks to remain in denial.

But some can read and understand numbers and desperation, dismissal, disapproval, and in reality denial, for a time.

Reality is a hard nut to swallow.

I went to the Costa Mesa rally. I saw "Silent Majority" signs. I heard talk about San Bernardino 14 dead (failure of national security screening), and San Francisco one dead (failure of national immigration system).

Wanting to do something meaningful in these areas is not inconsistent with "conservatism."

I heard of "jobs, jobs, jobs" and our economy, and I find nothing there inconsistent, with "conservatism."

Those who have been on this site, GOPBR for awhile, know that name calling Trump supporters has not worked.

But go ahead, anyway. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.

[jmyrlefuller]

Its satire. The NeverTrump never cease breaking Godwin's Law...its become comedic and well deserving of ridicule.

This isn't crying wolf anymore. The wolf is actually coming this time.

[jmyrlefuller]

Wanting to do something meaningful in these areas is not inconsistent with "conservatism."

I heard of "jobs, jobs, jobs" and our economy, and I find nothing there inconsistent, with "conservatism."

Where do jobs come from?

When people want jobs, the only way the government can have an impact is to directly create them, either two ways: increasing the public sector, or going to war. Neither has any inherent form of revenue to pay for itself. There's the liberal Republican way to do it, borrowing, or the liberal Democrat way to do it, raising taxes; the Democrats figured out how to make it palatable by raising taxes on a minority.

If the government wants to create private sector, sustainable jobs... there really is nothing they can do about it. If there aren't enough  resources to support good-paying careers, and a machine or foreigner is able to do the work they want to do, but cheaper, they're screwed. The value of their labor is not high enough and no intervention from the government can change that dynamic.

This is why conservatism never sells: truth is sometimes unpalatable to the masses.

[mountaineer]

I've got to say, I've never been a fan of the "I know you are, but what am I" debate tactic.
The borderline nazi reference is pretty lame, too.

I've always heard that the first person to call the other a Nazi has lost the debate. 

[Mesaclone]

This isn't crying wolf anymore. The wolf is actually coming this time.

No, its more of a Chicken Little thing. Only more laughable.

[Mesaclone]

I've always heard that the first person to call the other a Nazi has lost the debate. 

Could not agree more. In this long running argument on the board, the NeverTrumps continuously bring this Nazi garbage into discussions, and as you say, they've clearly lost the overall debate. I guess the axiom you cite is spot on. Good insight on that one, Mountain.

[jmyrlefuller]

Could not agree more. In this long running argument on the board, the NeverTrumps continuously bring this Nazi garbage into discussions, and as you say, they've clearly lost the overall debate. I guess the axiom you cite is spot on. Good insight on that one, Mountain.

How would you react if the Nazis actually did come back, and when would you recognize it? Would you pooh-pooh the notion, just as you do now?

[A-Lert]

Already mathematically eliminated yet marching on now with VP choice "in hand," TED encourages folks to remain in denial.

But some can read and understand numbers and desperation, dismissal, disapproval, and in reality denial, for a time.

Reality is a hard nut to swallow.

I went to the Costa Mesa rally. I saw "Silent Majority" signs. I heard talk about San Bernardino 14 dead (failure of national security screening), and San Francisco one dead (failure of national immigration system).

Wanting to do something meaningful in these areas is not inconsistent with "conservatism."

I heard of "jobs, jobs, jobs" and our economy, and I find nothing there inconsistent, with "conservatism."

Those who have been on this site, GOPBR for awhile, know that name calling Trump supporters has not worked.

But go ahead, anyway. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.

Larry King said in an interview I just saw that he's known Donald Trump a long time and that Trump is "a good guy".

[Mesaclone]

How would you react if the Nazis actually did come back, and when would you recognize it? Would you pooh-pooh the notion, just as you do now?

Your understanding of history makes me weep for you.

Nazism and its rise, including its leadership, is the diametric opposite of the current rise of Mr. Trump within the GOP and across the nation. Trying to compare the two is intellectually laughable. Seriously, you should seek some counseling at the professional level if you really believe this tinfoil hat stuff.

Hitler was an ideologue, Trump is a deal maker and a salesmen. Now CRUZ is an ideologue...but I STILL would not draw an analogy because the dissimilarities so outweigh everything else. If you want to compare things to the kind of rigid ideology the Nazis embraced, in our modern setting you'd have to look to religious orthodoxy on the right and anarchist philosophy on the left...a very imperfect analogy in both cases, but the only apt ones you'll find.

[mystery-ak]

Larry King said in an interview I just saw that he's known Donald Trump a long time and that Trump is "a good guy".

Well that's all I needed to hear...he's got my vote now...................../s

[sinkspur]

But the most powerful engine for such a movement — the thing that gets it off the ground, shapes and solidifies and entrenches it — is always the evocation of hatred. It is, as Hoffer put it, “the most accessible and comprehensive of all unifying elements.” And so Trump launched his campaign by calling undocumented Mexican immigrants a population largely of rapists and murderers. He moved on to Muslims, both at home and abroad. He has now added to these enemies — with sly brilliance — the Republican Establishment itself. And what makes Trump uniquely dangerous in the history of American politics — with far broader national appeal than, say, Huey Long or George Wallace — is his response to all three enemies. It’s the threat of blunt coercion and dominance.

And so after demonizing most undocumented Mexican immigrants, he then vowed to round up and deport all 11 million of them by force. “They have to go” was the typically blunt phrase he used — and somehow people didn’t immediately recognize the monstrous historical echoes. The sheer scale of the police and military operation that this policy would entail boggles the mind. Worse, he emphasized, after the mass murder in San Bernardino, that even the Muslim-Americans you know intimately may turn around and massacre you at any juncture. “There’s something going on,” he declaimed ominously, giving legitimacy to the most hysterical and ugly of human impulses.

To call this fascism doesn’t do justice to fascism. Fascism had, in some measure, an ideology and occasional coherence that Trump utterly lacks. But his movement is clearly fascistic in its demonization of foreigners, its hyping of a threat by a domestic minority (Muslims and Mexicans are the new Jews), its focus on a single supreme leader of what can only be called a cult, and its deep belief in violence and coercion in a democracy that has heretofore relied on debate and persuasion. This is the Weimar aspect of our current moment. Just as the English Civil War ended with a dictatorship under Oliver Cromwell, and the French Revolution gave us Napoleon Bonaparte, and the unstable chaos of Russian democracy yielded to Vladimir Putin, and the most recent burst of Egyptian democracy set the conditions for General el-Sisi’s coup, so our paralyzed, emotional hyperdemocracy leads the stumbling, frustrated, angry voter toward the chimerical panacea of Trump/

Democracies end when they're too democratic

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204640.0.html

[jmyrlefuller]

Larry King said in an interview I just saw that he's known Donald Trump a long time and that Trump is "a good guy".

First off, King works for the Russian government now (their English propaganda outlet RT America to be specific), and second, both King and Trump are known for serial matrimony. They're two peas in a pod.

[Mesaclone]

Democracies end when they're too democratic

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,204640.0.html

 

[jmyrlefuller]

Your understanding of history makes me weep for you.

Nazism and its rise, including its leadership, is the diametric opposite of the current rise of Mr. Trump within the GOP and across the nation. Trying to compare the two is intellectually laughable. Seriously, you should seek some counseling at the professional level if you really believe this tinfoil hat stuff.

Hitler was an ideologue, Trump is a deal maker and a salesmen. Now CRUZ is an ideologue...but I STILL would not draw an analogy because the dissimilarities so outweigh everything else. If you want to compare things to the kind of rigid ideology the Nazis embraced, in our modern setting you'd have to look to religious orthodoxy on the right and anarchist philosophy on the left...a very imperfect analogy in both cases, but the only apt ones you'll find.

Did not Hitler meld the two disparate ideas of nationalism and socialism? One could not be an effective demagogue working over both of those groups sticking to either rigid ideology alone. Of course he engaged in deals and salesmanship. He took classes on oratory and showmanship; they became trademarks of his style.

The one place where he's not the same as Trump is in his support for eugenics and genocide. Thankfully even Trump is not that insane. But the same threatening approach toward dissidents, the demagoguery, the blatant disregard for truth—these things share a lot in common with the dangerous despots of the world.