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August 9, 2020
Trump’s triumphant-end run around the Democrats
By Andrea Widburg
Animals that are ambush hunters tend to be very still until they have their prey where they want them. Then, the ambush hunter is an explosion of efficient motion and the prey . . . well, the prey is toast. With Saturday’s executive orders and press conference, Trump proved himself to be a masterful ambush hunter, and the Democrats found themselves being hapless prey.
As with so many of their initiatives in 2020, the Democrats got greedy. Time and time again, they’ve used the excuse of the Wuhan virus and George Floyd’s death to advance hard-left policies unrelated either to the virus or to the exceedingly rare instances when American police wantonly kill black men.
When the virus first appeared, Trump, in good faith, allowed Fauci to lead him down the primrose path. This meant giving in to, and signing off on, the Democrats’ demands for stimulus bills. His agreement made the Democrats foolhardy. With the economy on life support, deaths from the virus dropping, and Americans desperately wanting to go back to work, the Democrats decided that they could again lard the latest stimulus bill with all manner of things. They assumed Trump would be either trapped or compliant.
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/trumps_triumphantend_run_around_the_democrats.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/trumps_triumphantend_run_around_the_democrats.html)
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Excellent summary of events to date.
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Excellent summary of events to date.
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On your recommendation I will give it a read... :patriot:
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Excellent summary of events to date.
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Agreed.
Loved this: "Suspend student loan payments. (It’s to be hoped that Trump will not ultimately endorse Elizabeth Warren’s demand that the Wuhan virus should be used as an excuse to forgive all student loans. If someone was stupid enough to get a $300,000 gender studies degree, taxpayers should not be on the hook."
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I don't see this as anything to get excited about here. While I applaud the President's efforts, the DEMS are already threatening to sue, they have called upon the GOP to come back to the table, MSM is reporting that Trump has no authority to do this and a member of the GOP (Sasse) is calling this unconstitutional slop and an illusion and Pelosi is agreeing -- all of this on Chris Wallace's interview (@link)
I don't see that he is going to be allowed to proceed with this and the DEMS will come up with a far more appealing plan to the general public. Especially those who will eagerly accept the handout that pays a lot of them more than they can get when they go back to work.
Also, this doesn't include or have anything to do with the proposed $1,200, + dependent $ for a 2nd round of stimulus payments.
I certainly don't applaud adding trillions more to our debt -- our economy has already been crushed.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-on-fox-news-sunday (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-on-fox-news-sunday)
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Excellent summary of events to date.
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The complaint about this from the rat news was the president 'being political'. Amazing.
The same as accusing Conor McGregor of using fists against Floyd Mayweather.
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I don't see this as anything to get excited about here. While I applaud the President's efforts, the DEMS are already threatening to sue, they have called upon the GOP to come back to the table, MSM is reporting that Trump has no authority to do this and a member of the GOP (Sasse) is calling this unconstitutional slop and an illusion and Pelosi is agreeing -- all of this on Chris Wallace's interview (@link)
I don't see that he is going to be allowed to proceed with this and the DEMS will come up with a far more appealing plan to the general public. Especially those who will eagerly accept the handout that pays a lot of them more than they can get when they go back to work.
Also, this doesn't include or have anything to do with the proposed $1,200, + dependent $ for a 2nd round of stimulus payments.
I certainly don't applaud adding trillions more to our debt -- our economy has already been crushed.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-on-fox-news-sunday (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-on-fox-news-sunday)
FINALLY! A reasoned response. :beer: :seeya:
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FINALLY! A reasoned response. :beer: :seeya:
Where? All I saw was a sour grapes post about the President taking democrat lemons and making lemonade.
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Where? All I saw was a sour grapes post about the President taking democrat lemons and making lemonade.
Riiight. S'alright. Math is hard. Better to get out your crayons and draw pretty pictures.
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Riiight. S'alright. Math is hard. Better to get out your crayons and draw pretty pictures.
So that YOU can better grasp the situation?? :laugh:
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Riiight. S'alright. Math is hard. Better to get out your crayons and draw pretty pictures.
You blame Trump when he simply signs what congress puts in front of him. Now you're criticizing him for taking the initiative and trying to bring things under control.
There's just no pleasing you.
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So that YOU can better grasp the situation?? :laugh:
Oh I can see it just fine. Fiscal conservatism requires a tax cut be mated to a spending cut, or it is not a tax cut at all, but merely a shift in how the spending debt is paid.
Not collecting payroll taxes is a tax cut. Continuing to pay out on unemployment is more spending. A formulaic exact-opposite of proper stewardship
Them printing presses are wheezing like a squeezebox on Saturday night and all y'all are fist pumping and high-fiving. Like I said. stick to your crayons.
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You blame Trump when he simply signs what congress puts in front of him. Now you're criticizing him for taking the initiative and trying to bring things under control.
There's just no pleasing you.
SURE THERE IS=STOP SPENDING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
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SURE THERE IS=STOP SPENDING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
Thats what the income tax holiday is about. Sure its temporary but it's a move in the right direction.
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Thats what the income tax holiday is about. Sure its temporary but it's a move in the right direction.
NO, it is not. You've just stopped collection without cutting spending. Where will the money come from to pay for the spending?
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NO, it is not. You've just stopped collection without cutting spending. Where will the money come from to pay for the spending?
Forgotten the Laffer Curve?
Obviously spending is a problem. But stop the bleeding first.
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Oh I can see it just fine. Fiscal conservatism requires a tax cut be mated to a spending cut, or it is not a tax cut at all, but merely a shift in how the spending debt is paid.
Not collecting payroll taxes is a tax cut. Continuing to pay out on unemployment is more spending. A formulaic exact-opposite of proper stewardship
Them printing presses are wheezing like a squeezebox on Saturday night and all y'all are fist pumping and high-fiving. Like I said. stick to your crayons.
LOL!
In the REAL world, many people don't have enough money to pay their rent. Or, to feed their children ice-cream when they deserve it.
In the REAL world, those landlords are on the hook for mucho dinero. In the REAL world, equity loans on real estate are only for certain zip codes and/or credit scores.
They need the help yesterday. Not in the coming weeks when the Democrats...who thrive on misery to maintain their base, decide it's the time to appear like some White Knight.
Donald Trump snuck up on Nancy and Chuck and yanked their pants down around their ankles.
And, he ain't even a politician.
:2popcorn:
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Forgotten the Laffer Curve?
Obviously spending is a problem. But stop the bleeding first.
You've stopped nothing. you've just changed the spigot the blood is coming from.
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LOL!
In the REAL world, many people don't have enough money to pay their rent. Or, to feed their children ice-cream when they deserve it.
In the REAL world, those landlords are on the hook for mucho dinero. In the REAL world, equity loans on real estate are only for certain zip codes and/or credit scores.
They need the help yesterday. Not in the coming weeks when the Democrats...who thrive on misery to maintain their base, decide it's the time to appear like some White Knight.
Donald Trump snuck up on Nancy and Chuck and yanked their pants down around their ankles.
And, he ain't even a politician.
:2popcorn:
Relief would be work and allowing folks to make their own money, not take someone else's.
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I'm having a difficult time cheering a President who just beat the Rats to the punch on the subject of spending more taxpayer money. My problem is he just appropriated our money without an act of Congress.
That should give us all pause.
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I'm having a difficult time cheering a President who just beat the Rats to the punch on the subject of spending more taxpayer money. My problem is he just appropriated our money without an act of Congress.
That should give us all pause.
pointing-up :yowsa: :bullie smokin:
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I'm having a difficult time cheering a President who just beat the Rats to the punch on the subject of spending more taxpayer money. My problem is he just appropriated our money without an act of Congress.
That should give us all pause.
I paused when the government ordered my business closed, forced me into my house, forbade me to go to church and made me wear a mask.
In the order of recent outrages a clever political maneuver ranks pretty low.
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Relief would be work and allowing folks to make their own money, not take someone else's.
It's not going to be permanent. It's temporary.
It's a SWIFT remedy to bring cash-flow to people that will take them past November 3rd.
Image is Reality in Washington.
Especially, 90 days out from the most important election in our history.
BTW... to me, this is expected from somebody who is a builder...a developer...on a global scale.
His entire existence and success therein is based upon solving problems. ON THE SPOT! Meaning in days/weeks, not months and years.
IMO, when you view him in that light, the rest is easy and entertaining.
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It's not going to be permanent. It's temporary.
It's a SWIFT remedy to bring cash-flow to people that will take them past November 3rd.
Image is Reality in Washington.
Especially, 90 days out from the most important election in our history.
BTW... to me, this is expected from somebody who is a builder...a developer...on a global scale.
His entire existence and success therein is based upon solving problems. ON THE SPOT! Meaning in days/weeks, not months and years.
IMO, when you view him in that light, the rest is easy and entertaining.
Blah, blah, blah. I swear, all y'all will justify anything.
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I'm having a difficult time cheering a President who just beat the Rats to the punch on the subject of spending more taxpayer money. My problem is he just appropriated our money without an act of Congress.
That should give us all pause.
What's at stake...THREE MONTHS OUT!!! BUEHLER???
The Republic as Founded with a Constitution that is respected and accepted as the best human experiment in recorded history. THAT's what's at stake. And if USA goes back to 2009 with a vengeance many people are going to die.
Like it or not, WE'RE ALL inside The Alamo right now.
But lookie here! Donald Trump had a tunnel dug to bring in supplies to keep peoples' cash flow... I mean to keep weapons loaded so that we can fight and eat another day.
And the analogy isn't that silly once you sit down and look around.
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LOL!
In the REAL world, many people don't have enough money to pay their rent. Or, to feed their children ice-cream when they deserve it.
In the REAL world, those landlords are on the hook for mucho dinero. In the REAL world, equity loans on real estate are only for certain zip codes and/or credit scores.
They need the help yesterday. Not in the coming weeks when the Democrats...who thrive on misery to maintain their base, decide it's the time to appear like some White Knight.
Donald Trump snuck up on Nancy and Chuck and yanked their pants down around their ankles.
And, he ain't even a politician.
:2popcorn:
What he did is likely to be challenged in court -- so that will only delay the assistance. The tax holiday isn't going to do a whole lot especially since it's only deferred. Secondly this does little to help those who own the properties who's tenants will be given extensions to not pay rent. It's a "trickle down" disaster --- John Doe own the property and won't receive the income from his rentals and therefore he hasn't the money to pay his bills or buy food -- and Jack Jones meanwhile is collecting $$ and sitting in the house that he owns without having to pay squat; nor any incentive to find a job. Gee, what's wrong with that picture?
People need to go back to work. They need jobs. Incentives to employers to hire - incentives for retraining. Incentives for people to go back to work. Infrastructure projects?
Putting us trillions more into debt and throwing money at the situation which will only put a small band-aid on a huge open sore for a short period of time isn't the answer! What's gong to happen at the end of this time period? Throw another trillion at the situation? You don't keep doing the same thing if it isn't working! Especially since the DEMS are behind it!
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I'm having a difficult time cheering a President who just beat the Rats to the punch on the subject of spending more taxpayer money. My problem is he just appropriated our money without an act of Congress.
That should give us all pause.
More than pause. How about outright anger.
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I'm having a difficult time cheering a President who just beat the Rats to the punch on the subject of spending more taxpayer money. My problem is he just appropriated our money without an act of Congress.
That should give us all pause.
:amen: Absolutely right!
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More than pause. How about outright anger.
Especially since it's nothing more than a political maneuver to attempt to sway votes. No better than the DEMS political jockeying!
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What's at stake...THREE MONTHS OUT!!! BUEHLER???
Say Trump wins.... Any guarantee this madness ends there? I think it will just enbolden the DC drunken sailors.
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What he did is likely to be challenged in court -- so that will only delay the assistance. The tax holiday isn't going to do a whole lot especially since it's only deferred. Secondly this does little to help those who own the properties who's tenants will be given extensions to not pay rent. It's a "trickle down" disaster --- John Doe own the property and won't receive the income from his rentals and therefore he hasn't the money to pay his bills or buy food -- and Jack Jones meanwhile is collecting $$ and sitting in the house that he owns without having to pay squat; nor any incentive to find a job. Gee, what's wrong with that picture?
People need to go back to work. They need jobs. Incentives to employers to hire - incentives for retraining. Incentives for people to go back to work. Infrastructure projects?
Putting us trillions more into debt and throwing money at the situation which will only put a small band-aid on a huge open sore for a short period of time isn't the answer! What's gong to happen at the end of this time period? Throw another trillion at the situation? You don't keep doing the same thing if it isn't working! Especially since the DEMS are behind it!
I realize all of that, @libertybele
But the Democrats have essentially cut a sewer line in our basement.
And while @roamer_1 et al stand around bitching about who can do it cheaper, President Trump had it already pumped out and a new pipe installed.
90 Days my friend.... :laugh:
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What's at stake...THREE MONTHS OUT!!! BUEHLER???
The Republic as Founded with a Constitution that is respected and accepted as the best human experiment in recorded history. THAT's what's at stake. And if USA goes back to 2009 with a vengeance many people are going to die.
Like it or not, WE'RE ALL inside The Alamo right now.
But lookie here! Donald Trump had a tunnel dug to bring in supplies to keep peoples' cash flow... I mean to keep weapons loaded so that we can fight and eat another day.
And the analogy isn't that silly once you sit down and look around.
I see your point, I'm just disappointed about the bribing of the voters with their own money. Doesn't matter to me which Party does it. Can it make it more likely Trump wins the election? Probably.
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Say Trump wins.... Any guarantee this madness ends there? I think it will just enbolden the DC drunken sailors.
His main focus is getting past the election, otherwise as Metallica says, Nothing Else Matters.
He 'sees' a return to 2017-2019 America. So easy, it's like flipping a switch.
For, this 'Pandemic' 's origin is going to be made public...with names...or, it's going to disappear like Russian Collusion and Yugoslavia Quid-Pro Quo and all other pathetic examples of bullsh*t meant to take down this Presidency.
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I realize all of that, @libertybele
But the Democrats have essentially cut a sewer line in our basement.
And while @roamer_1 et al stand around bitching about who can do it cheaper, President Trump had it already pumped out and a new pipe installed.
90 Days my friend.... :laugh:
Be it 30 days putting us deeper in the hole or 90 days (around election day, I get that) putting us deeper into the hole, the question that isn't answered or resolved here is what happens after the 90 days and people, who have had absolutely no incentive to get back to work or no jobs for them? Throw another trillion or two??
Looking at the bigger picture here and just not a temporary lousy band-aid that isn't going to do jack.
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Brilliant move by the President. It is one thing to practice the politics of chicken in normal times, and quite another to do so when millions forced to the economic sidelines by government order have just lost, or about to lose, their means of day to day life support.
Trump's orders show he is concerned about the impact of politicians playing games with peoples' lives.
Let the Dems sue. Let 'em call the courts and whine about constitutionality. Their intransigence forced the President's hand. Let the courts slap down the President with an election looming. Trump just assured everyone clobbered by the response to this pandemic that they will be able to stay in their homes and keep food on their table through the election.
And as for after the election, well, that's all up to us, isn't it?
Brilliant.
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I see your point, I'm just disappointed about the bribing of the voters with their own money. Doesn't matter to me which Party does it. Can it make it more likely Trump wins the election? Probably.
Unless the DEMS come up with a much larger spending spree. It could easily backfire and the DEMS will win anyways and they have been wanting and promoting socialism and they will get their way -- after all, people are now getting used to not having to work and getting $$ to do nothing! Socialism is already under way!!
Even IF Trump should get re-elected --- the DEMS will continue to push for these stimulus packages. If they don't get them? You will see people revolting for $$. Do you think revolting is rampant in some cities now? Just wait. I don't think we've seen anything yet.
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Brilliant move by the President. It is one thing to practice the politics of chicken in normal times, and quite another to do so when millions forced to the economic sidelines by government order have just lost, or about to lose, their means of day to day life support.
Trump's orders show he is concerned about the impact of politicians playing games with peoples' lives.
Let the Dems sue. Let 'em call the courts and whine about constitutionality. Their intransigence forced the President's hand. Let the courts slap down the President with an election looming. Trump just assured everyone clobbered by the response to this pandemic that they will be able to stay in their homes and keep food on their table through the election.
And as for after the election, well, that's all up to us, isn't it?
Brilliant.
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Brilliant move by the President. It is one thing to practice the politics of chicken in normal times, and quite another to do so when millions forced to the economic sidelines by government order have just lost, or about to lose, their means of day to day life support.
Trump's orders show he is concerned about the impact of politicians playing games with peoples' lives.
Let the Dems sue. Let 'em call the courts and whine about constitutionality. Their intransigence forced the President's hand. Let the courts slap down the President with an election looming. Trump just assured everyone clobbered by the response to this pandemic that they will be able to stay in their homes and keep food on their table through the election.
And as for after the election, well, that's all up to us, isn't it?
Brilliant.
A question for you, @Jazzhead. Is it legal for a President to appropriate money without Congress? We've been talking about whether it's good politically, but what about legally?
I fully expect we'll learn about how that's been going on for decades already.
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His main focus is getting past the election, otherwise as Metallica says, Nothing Else Matters.
He 'sees' a return to 2017-2019 America. So easy, it's like flipping a switch.
For, this 'Pandemic' 's origin is going to be made public...with names...or, it's going to disappear like Russian Collusion and Yugoslavia Quid-Pro Quo and all other pathetic examples of bullsh*t meant to take down this Presidency.
I agree. Plus, how many additonal extra Trillions is a Biden victory going to cost us.
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A question for you, @Jazzhead. Is it legal for a President to appropriate money without Congress? We've been talking about whether it's good politically, but what about legally?
I fully expect we'll learn about how that's been going on for decades already.
I was always under the impression that POTUS had no power to directly appropriate anything. Guess we are going to find out soon.
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I was always under the impression that POTUS had no power to directly appropriate anything. Guess we are going to find out soon.
We've known he has the discretion to shift spending some, but this looks like a clear appropriation of taxpayer money. :shrug:
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Brilliant move by the President. It is one thing to practice the politics of chicken in normal times, and quite another to do so when millions forced to the economic sidelines by government order have just lost, or about to lose, their means of day to day life support.
Trump's orders show he is concerned about the impact of politicians playing games with peoples' lives.
Let the Dems sue. Let 'em call the courts and whine about constitutionality. Their intransigence forced the President's hand. Let the courts slap down the President with an election looming. Trump just assured everyone clobbered by the response to this pandemic that they will be able to stay in their homes and keep food on their table through the election.
And as for after the election, well, that's all up to us, isn't it?
Brilliant.
:thumbsup:
There is a profound difference between the way it should be and the way it is, unfortunately.
Or, extreme times call for extreme measures. Pick your maxim.
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We've known he has the discretion to shift spending some, but this looks like a clear appropriation of taxpayer money. :shrug:
It just doesn't seem fair, then, that many here continually beat on Trump because of the debt.
Which is it?
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It just doesn't seem fair, then, that many here continually beat on Trump because of the debt.
Which is it?
Because if he was so inclined,Trump could veto spending plans, but has chose not to.
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It just doesn't seem fair, then, that many here continually beat on Trump because of the debt.
Which is it?
Trump has always shined as far as the economy and his abilities with financial dealings. Looking back before the pandemic hit we had a robust economy, people back to work and low unemployment (I'm sure you're aware).
The disappointment is him throwing $$ and putting us more into debt rather than coming up with a solid plan to get the economy going. People are hurting. Some more than others.
(One of the biggest problems are states who haven't paid out anything to people who are in need (FL DeSantis) or haven't paid their full claims. Trump needs to ensure somehow that they remedied by the States! That would help! He's now relying on those same states to pay a portion of this. I don't see how when some states haven't paid out what people were due the first round. There are people in FL who still have not received a dime from the first round. DeSantis even just admitted that the system was designed not to pay out. He's known about it and has done nothing.)
Sure I understand people were tossed out of work through no fault of their own and a round of stimulus $$ to help along with extended benefits was helpful. I can swallow that pill. But, to arbitrarily take money and re-appropriate it that drives us deeper into debt is not one that I can give him a pass on. People need to get back to work and not an incentive not to work. People need jobs.
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It just doesn't seem fair, then, that many here continually beat on Trump because of the debt.
Which is it?
It's one thing to argue about not vetoing bills, and quite another to bypass Congress entirely to give the Rats what they demand. What's perplexing is that it just might work in pulling in Rat voters, making it the first instance of a Republican successfully out-Democrating the Democrats.
Does that put it in the "Win" or the "Lose" column?
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Because if he was so inclined,Trump could veto spending plans, but has chose not to.
So the only option is for him to just say no.
I think that'd be wonderful as well. But I also understand that it would lead to Trump being throw out of office and the spending simply re-instated.
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It's one thing to argue about not vetoing bills, and quite another to bypass Congress entirely to give the Rats what they demand. What's perplexing is that it just might work in pulling in Rat voters, making it the first instance of a Republican successfully out-Democrating the Democrats.
Does that put it in the "Win" or the "Lose" column?
I see no alternative. Do you?
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I see no alternative. Do you?
Nope. None. :shrug:
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A question for you, @Jazzhead. Is it legal for a President to appropriate money without Congress? We've been talking about whether it's good politically, but what about legally?
I fully expect we'll learn about how that's been going on for decades already.
It looks like he's taking a couple of approaches. He's shifting already appropriated but unspent monies from emergency funds. That's good - murder of the economy by neglect of Congress is an emergency.
He is also declaring a payroll tax holiday but by law those amounts will need to be paid next year. He is daring Congress to pass the law that will sanction a "true " holiday.
I think this is all legal, ballsy and brilliant.
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It looks like he's taking a couple of approaches. He's shifting already appropriated but unspent monies from emergency funds. That's good - murder of the economy by neglect of Congress is an emergency.
He is also declaring a payroll tax holiday but by law those amounts will need to be paid next year. He is daring Congress to pass the law that will sanction a "true " holiday.
I think this is all legal, ballsy and brilliant.
Legal or not, it does put the Rats into the position of trying to take the candy away from the Welfare Babies, if they fight it. The "legality" of the move is not going to be tested as it was getting funding for the wall, and if it's a matter of moving appropriated but unspent funds, it would probably be found to be legal anyway. But what I said upthread about out-Democrating the Democrats applies:
What's perplexing is that it just might work in pulling in Rat voters, making it the first instance of a Republican successfully out-Democrating the Democrats.
Does that put it in the "Win" or the "Lose" column?
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Also, this doesn't include or have anything to do with the proposed $1,200, + dependent $ for a 2nd round of stimulus payments.
I certainly don't applaud adding trillions more to our debt -- our economy has already been crushed.
@libertybele
You mean all that money is going to increase our federal debt,and the very people getting it are going to get a tax increase to pay it back once they are forced to go back to work????
Why,Ah nevah!
SAY IT AIN'T SO,YOU BIG MEANIE,YOU!
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You blame Trump when he simply signs what congress puts in front of him. Now you're criticizing him for taking the initiative and trying to bring things under control.
There's just no pleasing you.
@skeeter @roamer_1
Roamer has "Orange Man Baditis."
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@skeeter @roamer_1
Roamer has "Orange Man Baditis."
Yeah that's bullcrap @sneakypete , and you know it. I have complimented him when he did right.
He just doesn't do much right. Hardly to be expected from a free spending NYC liberal :shrug:
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LOL!
In the REAL world, many people don't have enough money to pay their rent. Or, to feed their children ice-cream when they deserve it.
In the REAL world, those landlords are on the hook for mucho dinero. In the REAL world, equity loans on real estate are only for certain zip codes and/or credit scores.
They need the help yesterday. Not in the coming weeks when the Democrats...who thrive on misery to maintain their base, decide it's the time to appear like some White Knight.
@DCPatriot
AND,it MUST be noted that many of the Dims pushing this nonsense ARE multi-millionaires or even billionaires who have access to LOTS OF MONEY THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO BUY UP REPOSSESSED PROPERTY CHEAP AT THE BANKRUPTCY SALES.
What is the mantra of the left,"Never let a good crisis go to waste!"?
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I'm having a difficult time cheering a President who just beat the Rats to the punch on the subject of spending more taxpayer money. My problem is he just appropriated our money without an act of Congress.
That should give us all pause.
@Cyber Liberty
Ok,what with you being a genius and all,how about splain to us common folks what his options were,and the consequences,both political and monetary of each?
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@Cyber Liberty
Ok,what with you being a genius and all,how about splain to us common folks what his options were,and the consequences,both political and monetary of each?
@sneakypete Read sommoe of the Thread... :whistle:
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@skeeter @roamer_1
Roamer has "Orange Man Baditis."
The rats clearly were hoping for another of their classic budget shutdown scenarios, which the GOP, with long faces and a sigh of resignation (or relief), would roll over for.
There was just NO other option. And IMO its a good'un.
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The rats clearly were hoping for another of their classic budget shutdown scenarios, which the GOP, with long faces and a sigh of resignation (or relief), would roll over for.
There was just NO other option. And IMO its a good'un.
Well, there's no denying he seized the initiative. rrthree
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I agree. Plus, how many additonal extra Trillions is a Biden victory going to cost us.
@catfish1957
As far as "out of the pockets of working people" goes,nothing at all.
Because it won't be paid back,the international bankers will foreclose on their loans,and America will go into bankruptcy under a Dim government that wants nothing more than to remove any and all independence from America and make her,and us,a cog in the global machine to be known as World Wide Government,Inc.
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Well, there's no denying he seized the initiative. rrthree
Why I oughta...
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Because if he was so inclined,Trump could veto spending plans, but has chose not to.
@catfish1957
And how would it help Americans,especially those already living on the verge of being homeless and hungry due to this Chinese Virus,to have America go bankrupt?
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@libertybele
You mean all that money is going to increase our federal debt,and the very people getting it are going to get a tax increase to pay it back once they are forced to go back to work????
Why,Ah nevah!
SAY IT AIN'T SO,YOU BIG MEANIE,YOU!
The reality is that even with a substantial tax increase (which is more than likely) there is no way that this money being printed is going to be paid back at least not in our generation, perhaps not even in our children's generation. That's the problem. The situation is not sustainable now and adding more debt is craziness. Sure the money from the tax holiday that is going to be given briefly is supposed to be paid back but it isn't even going to make a dent in the debt that we're incurring. Not even a fraction.
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The reality is that even with a substantial tax increase (which is more than likely) there is no way that this money being printed is going to be paid back at least not in our generation, perhaps not even in our children's generation. That's the problem. The situation is not sustainable now and adding more debt is craziness. Sure the money from the tax holiday that is going to be given briefly is supposed to be paid back but it isn't even going to make a dent in the debt that we're incurring. Not even a fraction.
It is never going to be "paid back" it was printed out of thin air. The devaluing of the dollar is accelerating. Everything is going to get substantially more expensive in terms of dollars. And everyone is going to move up the tax brackets due to those inflated dollars showing them earning more dollars all the while at the same time lowering everyone's buying power. The government will get a larger share of everyone's pay check. Everyone who saved money is going to eat the difference.
Everyone's standard of living is going to decline.
It is toxic policy and we are bent on continuing it to the bitter end.
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It is never going to be "paid back" it was printed out of thin air. The devaluing of the dollar is accelerating. Everything is going to get substantially more expensive in terms of dollars. And everyone is going to move up the tax brackets due to those inflated dollars showing them earning more dollars all the while at the same time lowering everyone's buying power. The government will get a larger share of everyone's pay check. Everyone who saved money is going to eat the difference.
Everyone's standard of living is going to decline.
It is toxic policy and we are bent on continuing it to the bitter end.
:amen: Prices are already skyrocketing. Food prices have gone up significantly in the past several months. Taxes will increase, it's just a matter of time. Let's see ... all kinds of people are being given mortgage and rent forgiveness...so who is going to pay the property taxes?? No worries for them. Worries for anyone able to pay their mortgage or own their homes outright as their property taxes will skyrocket. Ours has already gone up for the year. Property taxes will skyrocket forcing many out of their homes.
As I stated, this scenario is not sustainable. People really need to stop and think of what all this "free" money is really going to cost us.
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Say Trump wins.... Any guarantee this madness ends there? I think it will just enbolden the DC drunken sailors.
As a former Drunken Sailor, I take offense. I only spent my own money! :tongue2:
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As a former Drunken Sailor, I take offense. I only spent my own money! :tongue2:
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Say Trump wins.... Any guarantee this madness ends there? I think it will just enbolden the DC drunken sailors.
IMHO it doesn't matter who wins ... We the People are screwed either way.
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:amen: Prices are already skyrocketing. Food prices have gone up significantly in the past several months. Taxes will increase, it's just a matter of time. Let's see ... all kinds of people are being given mortgage and rent forgiveness...so who is going to pay the property taxes?? No worries for them. Worries for anyone able to pay their mortgage or own their homes outright as their property taxes will skyrocket. Ours has already gone up for the year. Property taxes will skyrocket forcing many out of their homes.
As I stated, this scenario is not sustainable. People really need to stop and think of what all this "free" money is really going to cost us.
What do you tell people whom government covid policy has thrown out of work?
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What do you tell people whom government covid policy has thrown out of work?
Yes, that's the unfortunate flip side to all of this and a huge humanitarian issue. How do you remedy those thrown out of their jobs? I fully get that. Jobs are needed and an incentive to get back to work rather then stay home. As I stated I can understand the first set of stimulus, the extended benefits ... but now people need incentives to return to work, not the opposite. Job creation -- infrastructure repair that's been tossed around for awhile as an example. This should have been in the works.
I remember during Regan's administration he actually paid people to go to work and get retrained and companies were given $$ as an incentive to hire and train. It was a win win for a lot of people. Businesses expanded and people acquired new skills.
This tossing $$ with no end in sight that may keep people afloat for a month is not sustainable. What happens when that $$ runs out and people are still out of work? Nothing really is being resolved. We're kicking the problem down the road is all.
The DEMS are more than happy to keep escalating the situation without resolution and Trump is going along.
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As a former Drunken Sailor, I take offense. I only spent my own money! :tongue2:
Good point. Sobering up is normal. In the case of DC legilsators, it's like my tag line..... Crack addicts is an more apt description.
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What do you tell people whom government covid policy has thrown out of work?
I would hope that, not being pacified by money they did not earn... Other people's money... That they would in desperation if not good sense, be moved to anger toward those who have taken their treasure and their means, which will give them a proper outlet for their angst... And if they rise up to fix it, the only path toward justice.
Soothing their discomfort aids those that are stealing them blind. Let the pot come quickly to a boil and maybe the frog will notice.
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@catfish1957
And how would it help Americans,especially those already living on the verge of being homeless and hungry due to this Chinese Virus,to have America go bankrupt?
@sneakypete
Pete, I am sorry to Scooge out on this one, but in most cases if people would have practiced financial restraint, saved for a rainy day, and invested wisely, we wouldn't have such a large entitlement class in this country. Call it a hardened heart, but my level of empathy has dropped considerably with time, and to the point I resent having to not only foot the bill with my tax dollars, but plus watch our idiotic government spend us over a fiscal cliff while doing it. It might make me look like an AH, but I don't give a shit.
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Yes, that's the unfortunate flip side to all of this and a huge humanitarian issue. How do you remedy those thrown out of their jobs? I fully get that. Jobs are needed and an incentive to get back to work rather then stay home. As I stated I can understand the first set of stimulus, the extended benefits ... but now people need incentives to return to work, not the opposite. Job creation -- infrastructure repair that's been tossed around for awhile as an example. This should have been in the works.
I remember during Regan's administration he actually paid people to go to work and get retrained and companies were given $$ as an incentive to hire and train. It was a win win for a lot of people. Businesses expanded and people acquired new skills.
This tossing $$ with no end in sight that may keep people afloat for a month is not sustainable. What happens when that $$ runs out and people are still out of work? Nothing really is being resolved. We're kicking the problem down the road is all.
The DEMS are more than happy to keep escalating the situation without resolution and Trump is going along.
Trump isn't going along with rat covid policy. He's parrying it. The way I see it the best way out of this is to get the economy going again by getting people off the 'vid welfare rolls and back to work, while throwing those thrown out of work, through no fault of their own, a lifeline.
The circumstances being what they are he is playing the only hand he has.
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I would hope that, not being pacified by money they did not earn... Other people's money... That they would in desperation if not good sense, be moved to anger toward those who have taken their treasure and their means, which will give them a proper outlet for their angst... And if they rise up to fix it, the only path toward justice.
Soothing their discomfort aids those that are stealing them blind. Let the pot come quickly to a boil and maybe the frog will notice.
I'm gonna guess you are financially untouched by this entire Covid disaster. Suffice it to say I, and many many other I know, are not. It has been an effing catastrophe.
BTW I have received not a dime from the government, and do not expect to.
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@sneakypete
Pete, I am sorry to Scooge out on this one, but in most cases if people would have practiced financial restraint, saved for a rainy day, and invested wisely, we wouldn't have such a large entitlement class in this country. Call it a hardened heart, but my level of empathy has dropped considerably with time, and to the point I resent having to not only foot the bill with my tax dollars, but plus watch our idiotic government spend us over a fiscal cliff while doing it. It might make me look like an AH, but I don't give a shit.
:amen:
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@sneakypete
Pete, I am sorry to Scooge out on this one, but in most cases if people would have practiced financial restraint, saved for a rainy day, and invested wisely, we wouldn't have such a large entitlement class in this country. Call it a hardened heart, but my level of empathy has dropped considerably with time, and to the point I resent having to not only foot the bill with my tax dollars, but plus watch our idiotic government spend us over a fiscal cliff while doing it. It might make me look like an AH, but I don't give a shit.
Well for crying out loud then make your stand denying benefits to people who don't deserve the help. I'll say it again, what do you do with people who've lost their livelihoods because of state government covid policy?
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Well for crying out loud then make your stand denying benefits to people who don't deserve the help. I'll say it again, what do you do with people who've lost their livelihoods because of state government covid policy?
My stand? 888mouth
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My stand? 888mouth
This thread is about the most recent "Covid bailout", is it not?
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This thread is about the most recent "Covid bailout", is it not?
I may digress. But then again, we have seen so many bailouts since 2008, I lose track. How many $Trillion will this make now?
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Well for crying out loud then make your stand denying benefits to people who don't deserve the help. I'll say it again, what do you do with people who've lost their livelihoods because of state government covid policy?
How about hold the state government accountable that is choosing to bankrupt business.
Why is someone's man made disaster due to who they elected become someone else's problem that had no say in that state?
For example why should any other state pay for Oregon's and Minnesota's choices on the riots?
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I may digress. But then again, we have seen so many bailouts since 2008, I lose track. How many Trillion will this make now?
Nice dodge.
We're talking about the virus.
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How about hold the state government accountable that is choosing to bankrupt business.
Why is someone's man made disaster due to who they elected become someone else's problem that had no say in that state?
For example why should any other state pay for Oregon's and Minnesota's choices on the riots?
Because a global pandemic is not the same as a state or city government actively accommodating anarchy. Because getting people back to work and the economy going is in everyone's interests.
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Forgotten the Laffer Curve?
Obviously spending is a problem. But stop the bleeding first.
The Laffer curve theorizes that tax revenue is maximized at a tax rate which achieves the optimum compromise between government revenue generation and private economy loss of capital. Trump has not suggested an optimum tax rate, but a tax holiday, in other words a temporary effective tax rate of zero for some people, which will temporarily achieve zero government revenue from those people.
Trump's proposal might be necessary policy (I didn't say good policy) given the current needs of many Americans, and it might be good politics to shine a light on the irrelevant partisan outcomes desired by democrats. But the Laffer curve actually predicts it will decrease Federal tax revenues, and if spending is not also reduced then Federal debt by definition will be increased.
The day must eventually arrive when everyone recognizes that spending our descendants' money is not an acceptable solution for our problems, because the day is drawing rapidly closer when the credit markets recognize that US Federal Debt actually commands a dramatically sub-par value.
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Nice dodge.
We're talking about the virus.
C'mon Man!!!!!
I am not going to be baited out that I support starving women and children. That's a dim tactic.
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Because a global pandemic is not the same as a state or city government actively accommodating anarchy. Because getting people back to work and the economy going is in everyone's interests.
Well.... not "everyone's" interests.
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Well for crying out loud then make your stand denying benefits to people who don't deserve the help.
The question that begs is, "Who decides who's deserving?"
I'd peg that at, people who were thrown out of work due directly to a Gummint edict. If you own or work at a bar, then you were put out of an income stream because of an action by the Masters over at the several State Capitals and should get compensated some. Did you quit your job at a pizza delivery joint to get paid >2X what you got from the shop in unemployment? Screw you. Get a job.
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I may digress. But then again, we have seen so many bailouts since 2008, I lose track. How many $Trillion will this make now?
happy77
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C'mon Man!!!!!
I am not going to be baited out that I support starving women and children. That's a dim tactic.
My Facebook friends who hate President Trump are posting memes claiming he admitted that Social Security and Medicare are going to be cut.
LOL!
Another take on Ryan tipping grandma's wheelchair over the cliff. Hope it doesn't work THIS time.
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The Laffer curve theorizes that tax revenue is maximized at a tax rate which achieves the optimum compromise between government revenue generation and private economy loss of capital. Trump has not suggested an optimum tax rate, but a tax holiday, in other words a temporary effective tax rate of zero for some people, which will temporarily achieve zero government revenue from those people.
Trump's proposal might be necessary policy (I didn't say good policy) given the current needs of many Americans, and it might be good politics to shine a light on the irrelevant partisan outcomes desired by democrats. But the Laffer curve actually predicts it will decrease Federal tax revenues, and if spending is not also reduced then Federal debt by definition will be increased.
The day must eventually arrive when everyone recognizes that spending our descendants' money is not an acceptable solution for our problems, because the day is drawing rapidly closer when the credit markets recognize that US Federal Debt actually commands a dramatically sub-par value.
Would you at least allow that even a temporary tax holiday would stimulate economic activity which might help offset the spending going out in the form of the covid salary subsidy? Which is the motive premise of Laffer's curve?
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The question that begs is, "Who decides who's deserving?"
I'd peg that at, people who were thrown out of work due directly to a Gummint edict. If you own or work at a bar, then you were put out of an income stream because of an action by the Masters over at the several State Capitals and should get compensated some. Did you quit your job at a pizza delivery joint to get paid >2X what you got from the shop in unemployment? Screw you. Get a job.
Granted. But what might have happened to the more unfortunate among us by the time we figure that out? Rent/mortgage is due in two weeks. Fridge is empty today. Sounds melodramatic but this is where many people are right now.
I totally agree with your standard, if its possible to quickly determine.
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Well.... not "everyone's" interests.
No certainly not everyone.
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Granted. But what might have happened to the more unfortunate among us by the time we figure that out? Rent/mortgage is due in two weeks. Fridge is empty today. Sounds melodramatic but this is where many people are right now.
I totally agree with your standard, if its possible to quickly determine.
A crapton of money has been shoveled out, yet delinquent rent is higher than ever. There may be a flaw in the program.
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Trump isn't going along with rat covid policy. He's parrying it. The way I see it the best way out of this is to get the economy going again by getting people off the 'vid welfare rolls and back to work, while throwing those thrown out of work, through no fault of their own, a lifeline.
The circumstances being what they are he is playing the only hand he has.
He isn't doing anything different than what the DEMS are proposing except cutting back the dollar amount of what they wanted and there's no guarantee that they won't take him to court and get what they want anyways.
A. People have to have jobs. B. They need to have an incentive to go back to work instead of being given an incentive not to find work. C. Jobs need to be created; incentives to employers to expand, hire and train.
People have already been thrown a lifeline. A life line that worked for a month, two at best and now we're back to the very same place with no resolution in sight. The only resolution that has been proposed is throwing more money at the situation. That continued practice is not sustainable.
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Granted. But what might have happened to the more unfortunate among us by the time we figure that out? Rent/mortgage is due in two weeks. Fridge is empty today. Sounds melodramatic but this is where many people are right now.
I totally agree with your standard, if its possible to quickly determine.
It is not melodramatic and I know it is happening and it's been happening. One huge problem as I have mentioned before is that there are still people who haven't gotten dime one. There are people who have not received all of their benefits that they were due. There are people who didn't receive all of their extended benefits promised. My understanding is that this was being paid out by two different entities -- unemployment through the state -- extended benefits through the Feds.
FL is a prime example. So -- what happened to all the money that should have been paid out that people didn't get? Where did it go? It isn't just happening in FL. Governors need to be held accountable and they're not and Trump is expecting them to help with 25% of the cost??
We're approaching round two and expecting different results when absolutely nothing has changed.
Sorry, but I don't see this as Trump being triumphant around the DEMS -- he's doing the same thing.
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I'm gonna guess you are financially untouched by this entire Covid disaster. Suffice it to say I, and many many other I know, are not. It has been an effing catastrophe.
BTW I have received not a dime from the government, and do not expect to.
The only income I have that I can count on right now is meager online work as a site manager. It'a really nothing much. That dough comes into my account directly, as all of that is paid monthly by credit card by my clients... But I can only get at my money 300 bucks at a time, delivered via ATM in 20 dollar bills. My business as a computer tech has dropped off the face of the planet. I am surviving mainly on stores, forage, fishing, the garden, and what little trade I get from hillbillies... Other than the beef we took to freezer camp a couple months ago, restocking has been hard to do, but harvest is here, and I will be topped off and then some shortly. And I am doubling down. I will have a year's worth stored up by the end of harvest,and I am going hunting for sure this year, and will get an elk in the freezer good Lord willing.
Last month, without the online dough I can't really get at, and without really resorting to printing a balance sheet, I made something around five to seven hundred bucks. SO don't think for a minute I am unaffected.
The exception is that I possess alternatives to a raw money income stream in barter and forage and farm, which will keep my belly full regardless. And I own my house, and the new place up in the holler. That's different life decisions than most all y'all, and right now I am kickin it because of it. Hillbilly Deluxe. The rest of the time, y'all would laugh at how I live, which is surely meager by comparison to most folks... But right now, when the chips are down, is why I live the way I do. Hard times always come. Hard scrabble is where I shine, because I have done it all along.
I DID get the 1200 bucks from uncle, and it went to pay my property taxes. Every bit of it. So woohoo.
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Would you at least allow that even a temporary tax holiday would stimulate economic activity which might help offset the spending going out in the form of the covid salary subsidy? Which is the motive premise of Laffer's curve?
I certainly concede that the payroll tax holiday can stimulate the economy, and that is sorely needed. Simply from the standpoint of putting people back to work I believe it would be effective.
But I dispute that it offsets the additional federal expenditure on covid relief. A growing economy that pays nothing in taxes does not provide government revenue. I do believe the payroll tax holiday will cushion the impact of state and local shut-down edicts for many and will enable a somewhat-more-functioning economy to resume providing effective government revenues more quickly. Whether or not Federal taxpayers in one state should incur greater debt because of questionable decisions made in a different state is still an open question however.
The Laffer curve really isn't about stimulating the economy, it's about tax policy which funds government without choking the economy. A tax rate of 100% will provide no government revenue because it will kill the economy since no one will work just to turn over all they make to the government; a tax rate of 0% will provide no government revenue by mathematical definition but a roaring economy.
If we need to stimulate the economy now without recovering tax revenue from it (or recovering less), so be it, maybe that's necessary, but let's be clear about the immediate economics and the math. The debt will increase. In theory that additional debt could be paid later, but that's been the theory on every federal spending priority now for decades, and it's proven to be a failed theory.
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But I can only get at my money 300 bucks at a time, delivered via ATM in 20 dollar bills.
You might be able to get that $300 limit increased by contacting your bank. I can do it online at mine.
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My Facebook friends who hate President Trump are posting memes claiming he admitted that Social Security and Medicare are going to be cut.
LOL!
Another take on Ryan tipping grandma's wheelchair over the cliff. Hope it doesn't work THIS time.
LOL... and no points for the cheesy Biden Meme?
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The day must eventually arrive when everyone recognizes that spending our descendants' money is not an acceptable solution for our problems, because the day is drawing rapidly closer when the credit markets recognize that US Federal Debt actually commands a dramatically sub-par value.
THIS!!! pointing-up
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You might be able to get that $300 limit increased by contacting your bank. I can do it online at mine.
I hate banks. Already tried. It's a piddlin little account, just there to receive online payments. There ain't enough action on it for the bank to care... And that same limit is on my debit card too... So I am boned, other than I don't use plastic except to buy parts for non-existent computer ad small engine repairs.
I am a cash guy. Easy. When I run out of money I am out of money. No overdrafts... no credit lines... I threw all that out and won't go back. Ever. And I keep a ledger with a pencil. How's that coming from an uber-geek? :laugh:
But all the same, there's a few grand in there that would really be helpful right now. :whistle:
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May I ask what crappy bank it is?
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The only income I have that I can count on right now is meager online work as a site manager. It'a really nothing much. That dough comes into my account directly, as all of that is paid monthly by credit card by my clients... But I can only get at my money 300 bucks at a time, delivered via ATM in 20 dollar bills. My business as a computer tech has dropped off the face of the planet. I am surviving mainly on stores, forage, fishing, the garden, and what little trade I get from hillbillies... Other than the beef we took to freezer camp a couple months ago, restocking has been hard to do, but harvest is here, and I will be topped off and then some shortly. And I am doubling down. I will have a year's worth stored up by the end of harvest,and I am going hunting for sure this year, and will get an elk in the freezer good Lord willing.
Last month, without the online dough I can't really get at, and without really resorting to printing a balance sheet, I made something around five to seven hundred bucks. SO don't think for a minute I am unaffected.
The exception is that I possess alternatives to a raw money income stream in barter and forage and farm, which will keep my belly full regardless. And I own my house, and the new place up in the holler. That's different life decisions than most all y'all, and right now I am kickin it because of it. Hillbilly Deluxe. The rest of the time, y'all would laugh at how I live, which is surely meager by comparison to most folks... But right now, when the chips are down, is why I live the way I do. Hard times always come. Hard scrabble is where I shine, because I have done it all along.
I DID get the 1200 bucks from uncle, and it went to pay my property taxes. Every bit of it. So woohoo.
I commend you for your lifestyle. Some would see that as a hard life, I see it as "real" life. If ONLY everyone was able to sustain themselves like you are able to do things would be much different, and in the suburbs it is nearly impossible, that's why I stockpiled dehydrated food. Minimal space for a garden and around here even chickens aren't allowed -- wild boar and gator can be hunted during season, but few people even know how. There's always fish (which I can't stand), but even that's risky because of the contaminants in the waters.
Perhaps the silver lining to any of this is perhaps people will realize how much they can cut back and do without. Maybe even save a few pennies for a rainy day.
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Agreed.
Loved this: "Suspend student loan payments. (It’s to be hoped that Trump will not ultimately endorse Elizabeth Warren’s demand that the Wuhan virus should be used as an excuse to forgive all student loans. If someone was stupid enough to get a $300,000 gender studies degree, taxpayers should not be on the hook."
:thumbsup: Most NON-RIGHTS...never had any intention of paying that back anyway!
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So that YOU can better grasp the situation?? :laugh:
Good one. 888high58888
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You blame Trump when he simply signs what congress puts in front of him. Now you're criticizing him for taking the initiative and trying to bring things under control.
There's just no pleasing you.
THAT is the 'way' of the NON-RIGHTS. Never happy. Even a study was made about NON-RIGHTS. NEVER HAPPY. They HAVE to 'hate' somebody.
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LOL!
In the REAL world, many people don't have enough money to pay their rent. Or, to feed their children ice-cream when they deserve it.
In the REAL world, those landlords are on the hook for mucho dinero. In the REAL world, equity loans on real estate are only for certain zip codes and/or credit scores.
They need the help yesterday. Not in the coming weeks when the Democrats...who thrive on misery to maintain their base, decide it's the time to appear like some White Knight.
Donald Trump snuck up on Nancy and Chuck and yanked their pants down around their ankles.
And, he ain't even a politician.
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Nice comment. :silly: 888high58888
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The only income I have that I can count on right now is meager online work as a site manager. It'a really nothing much. That dough comes into my account directly, as all of that is paid monthly by credit card by my clients... But I can only get at my money 300 bucks at a time, delivered via ATM in 20 dollar bills. My business as a computer tech has dropped off the face of the planet. I am surviving mainly on stores, forage, fishing, the garden, and what little trade I get from hillbillies... Other than the beef we took to freezer camp a couple months ago, restocking has been hard to do, but harvest is here, and I will be topped off and then some shortly. And I am doubling down. I will have a year's worth stored up by the end of harvest,and I am going hunting for sure this year, and will get an elk in the freezer good Lord willing.
Last month, without the online dough I can't really get at, and without really resorting to printing a balance sheet, I made something around five to seven hundred bucks. SO don't think for a minute I am unaffected.
The exception is that I possess alternatives to a raw money income stream in barter and forage and farm, which will keep my belly full regardless. And I own my house, and the new place up in the holler. That's different life decisions than most all y'all, and right now I am kickin it because of it. Hillbilly Deluxe. The rest of the time, y'all would laugh at how I live, which is surely meager by comparison to most folks... But right now, when the chips are down, is why I live the way I do. Hard times always come. Hard scrabble is where I shine, because I have done it all along.
I DID get the 1200 bucks from uncle, and it went to pay my property taxes. Every bit of it. So woohoo.
Did that limit just start because of the pandemic? Our bank had put a limit on one transaction per day and there was a cash limit as well right after the pandemic hit. That went on for about a month. At first I was in a panic at the time when I got to the bank and doors were locked with signs on the door posting the limits and we had to use the drive-thru or ATM only. Slowly but surely, day by day, we took out savings and only left in enough to pay bills. We've never put it back. No reason to. It's not like the bank was paying us any decent interest anyways.
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It looks like he's taking a couple of approaches. He's shifting already appropriated but unspent monies from emergency funds. That's good - murder of the economy by neglect of Congress is an emergency.
He is also declaring a payroll tax holiday but by law those amounts will need to be paid next year. He is daring Congress to pass the law that will sanction a "true " holiday.
I think this is all legal, ballsy and brilliant.
I don't understand why people don't 'see' how this needs to be done and it is just temporary. Some worry about 'laws' or legality, ONLY FOR THE REPUBLICANS....the the demon-rats get by with corruption all the time. MONEY LAUNDERING OUR TAXES INTO UKRAINE & AND CHINA....that is just something brushed aside, by NON RIGHTS. PELOSI ripping up STATE OF UNION address....NOTHING DONE ABOUT THAT WITH THE NON-RIGHTS. THAT WAS NOT LEGAL.
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May I ask what crappy bank it is?
Doesn't matter. They're all shut off here. Not exactly OFF, but pretty much. No lobby service. I can get at the drive-through if I hit it just right... But I am only in town about once a month, and as luck would have it, I just went, and they happened to be closed for cleaning or something. So I got 300 in 20's and I will see again next month. No, that ain't right... I can try again tomorrow - Going up to the big box stores, but since I am out, I may as well try again and see... Other than that, I may go that way to get over to the feed store in a couple weeks, but probably not till next time around... :shrug:
Same for government stuff. State and Fed. Online access is all. And mandatory masks... which will not do.
This is all for around 500 cases in the state... It is insufferable bullcrap
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Doesn't matter. They're all shut off here. Not exactly OFF, but pretty much. No lobby service. I can get at the drive-through if I hit it just right... But I am only in town about once a month, and as luck would have it, I just went, and they happened to be closed for cleaning or something. So I got 300 in 20's and I will see again next month. No, that ain't right... I can try again tomorrow - Going up to the big box stores, but since I am out, I may as well try again and see... Other than that, I may go that way to get over to the feed store in a couple weeks, but probably not till next time around... :shrug:
Same for government stuff. State and Fed. Online access is all. And mandatory masks... which will not do.
This is all for around 500 cases in the state... It is insufferable bullcrap
What is the reason for not using the account to pay things electronically that will accept electronic payments? There shouldn't be any transaction fees for doing that most of the time. I've been using electronic banking since it started in the early 90's. It was a bulletin board dial-up modem connection years before the Internet came along...
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THAT is the 'way' of the NON-RIGHTS. Never happy. Even a study was made about NON-RIGHTS. NEVER HAPPY. They HAVE to 'hate' somebody.
Horse crap. I don't hate anyone. And I'll bet I'm happier than most. Just not with NYC liberals spending other people's money and then calling it the most conservative administration EVAH. Total nonsense.
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Did that limit just start because of the pandemic? Our bank had put a limit on one transaction per day and there was a cash limit as well right after the pandemic hit. That went on for about a month. At first I was in a panic at the time when I got to the bank and doors were locked with signs on the door posting the limits and we had to use the drive-thru or ATM only. Slowly but surely, day by day, we took out savings and only left in enough to pay bills. We've never put it back. No reason to. It's not like the bank was paying us any decent interest anyways.
I don't know. I didn't have plastic till the Woohan flu. I literally had to learn how to use an ATM, as I had never used one before. All I ever did was walk into the bank lobby, hustle the tellers, pull out the Benjamins, and walk off every once a month or so.
DID have a chance, a little while back, as the lobby opened up for a little while there, so I got to clean it out once. But the active cases started rising (because of higher testing and summer folks coming in to avoid the cities) and the governor clamped it back down and imposed a public mask thing.
Really it is only banks, utilities and government buildings... Everything else is open, and maybe a quarter to a half the people are actually doing the mask thing... So nearly normal other than that.
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I don't know. I didn't have plastic till the Woohan flu. I literally had to learn how to use an ATM, as I had never used one before. All I ever did was walk into the bank lobby, hustle the tellers, pull out the Benjamins, and walk off every once a month or so.
DID have a chance, a little while back, as the lobby opened up for a little while there, so I got to clean it out once. But the active cases started rising (because of higher testing and summer folks coming in to avoid the cities) and the governor clamped it back down and imposed a public mask thing.
Really it is only banks, utilities and government buildings... Everything else is open, and maybe a quarter to a half the people are actually doing the mask thing... So nearly normal other than that.
You sound like me only with a smart phone... I only use one when I have too... I can barely send a text...
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What is the reason for not using the account to pay things electronically that will accept electronic payments? There shouldn't be any transaction fees for doing that most of the time. I've been using electronic banking since it started in the early 90's. It was a bulletin board dial-up modem connection years before the Internet came along...
Utility lobbies are all closed, so I have been paying those online. And all my parts and materials for the computer business come from out of state and online. But my tendency is to be an introvert, so I arranged myself to go around and see people in the lobbies to combat that natural tendency... And in simplifying things, I found that cash is easiest to manage, so I went back to all cash and a pencil ledger.
I am not well set up for electronic payments, especially reconciling, and would love to avoid getting set up that way. I haven't owned an Intuit product in the last decade. But if I continue being forced into using the debit card I am going to have to.
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I am surviving mainly on stores, forage, fishing, the garden, and what little trade I get from hillbillies... Other than the beef we took to freezer camp a couple months ago, restocking has been hard to do, but harvest is here, and I will be topped off and then some shortly. And I am doubling down. I will have a year's worth stored up by the end of harvest,and I am going hunting for sure this year, and will get an elk in the freezer good Lord willing.
The exception is that I possess alternatives to a raw money income stream in barter and forage and farm, which will keep my belly full regardless. And I own my house, and the new place up in the holler. That's different life decisions than most all y'all, and right now I am kickin it because of it. Hillbilly Deluxe. The rest of the time, y'all would laugh at how I live, which is surely meager by comparison to most folks... But right now, when the chips are down, is why I live the way I do. Hard times always come. Hard scrabble is where I shine, because I have done it all along.
I admire, nay I *covet*, your capability for self reliance.
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You sound like me only with a smart phone... I only use one when I have too... I can barely send a text...
LOL! Don't get me started. I say, "Hey Giggles..." and she says, "what?" And I say, "Call up mamma on the telephone"... and she says, "WTF are you going on about? I can't tell a damn thing coming out of your hillbilly pie-hole. Jeez you talk like you're from Alabama"...
I need an assistant with two first names that calls me sugar.
As for text... I know how, but it is evil. Why the heck do you want to have a conversation like that, with me squinchin to see what it says? So if it is more than two parts, I just call and see what they want. Wish folks would get a clue. I can say more in two minutes of a phone call than you can do in 50 texts.
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I admire, nay I *covet*, your capability for self reliance.
Thank you for your kind reply. :beer:
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I commend you for your lifestyle. Some would see that as a hard life, I see it as "real" life. If ONLY everyone was able to sustain themselves like you are able to do things would be much different, and in the suburbs it is nearly impossible, that's why I stockpiled dehydrated food. Minimal space for a garden and around here even chickens aren't allowed -- wild boar and gator can be hunted during season, but few people even know how. There's always fish (which I can't stand), but even that's risky because of the contaminants in the waters.
Perhaps the silver lining to any of this is perhaps people will realize how much they can cut back and do without. Maybe even save a few pennies for a rainy day.
Thanks for that. Our garden is about a 1/2 acre and feeds four houses and then some. We put up 100 chickens already and are fixin to do another 100... but that will have to wait till after harvest, so them will be some big birds.
But it ain't all that hard. An eighth-acre of raised beds would go a long, long way for most folks... Heck, I could probably live off of that here, which is basically on one planting... and where you are there's at least two, maybe three plantings, and I would not be surprised if you couldn't grow all year around. I only eat fresh out of the garden in the late spring and early summer, and the only thing I can stagger-plant is the fast stuff like lettuce and radishes. Everything else is one shot, one harvest in August.
But even case goods, garden tails, and buying flats through a wholesaler to put up... You'd save a mint, and have a full pantry... And no worries for months. You should think on it. And grow something!
:laugh: :beer:
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Most mortgages have their property included in their monthly payments. PITI. Principal, Interest, Taxes and Insurance.
And property taxes WOULD not increase, that much. As your home gets older, the taxes will not increase. Is your home paid off? Then you need to pay your own, quarterly taxes. Since you aren't paying any mortgage, I am sure you can afford to pay only property tax. An average yearly property tax is about, $1,000.00 dollars. If you are in California, it may be $3,000.00 + a year, but it also means you have an expensive home. I don't 'see' an increase in property taxes, as being a hardship on homeowners, that it will make them, lose their homes. I used to be a realtor too, besides doing 1040 taxes and working for CPA firm and banks in the past. You must, HAVE some equity in your home too, if paid off. That is not a valid argument about property taxes.
Quote from: libertybele on Today at 03:12:08 PM
:amen: Prices are already skyrocketing. Food prices have gone up significantly in the past several months. Taxes will increase, it's just a matter of time. Let's see ... all kinds of people are being given mortgage and rent forgiveness...so who is going to pay the property taxes?? No worries for them. Worries for anyone able to pay their mortgage or own their homes outright as their property taxes will skyrocket. Ours has already gone up for the year. Property taxes will skyrocket forcing many out of their homes.
As I stated, this scenario is not sustainable. People really need to stop and think of what all this "free" money is really going to cost us.
SKEETER;
What do you tell people whom government covid policy has thrown out of work?
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Most mortgages have their property included in their monthly payments. PITI. Principal, Interest, Taxes and Insurance.
And property taxes WOULD not increase, that much. As your home gets older, the taxes will not increase. Is your home paid off? Then you need to pay your own, quarterly taxes. Since you aren't paying any mortgage, I am sure you can afford to pay only property tax. An average yearly property tax is about, $1,000.00 dollars. If you are in California, it may be $3,000.00 + a year, but it also means you have an expensive home. I don't 'see' an increase in property taxes, as being a hardship on homeowners, that it will make them, lose their homes. I used to be a realtor too, besides doing 1040 taxes and working for CPA firm and banks in the past. You must, HAVE some equity in your home too, if paid off. That is not a valid argument about property taxes.
Quote from: libertybele on Today at 03:12:08 PM
:amen: Prices are already skyrocketing. Food prices have gone up significantly in the past several months. Taxes will increase, it's just a matter of time. Let's see ... all kinds of people are being given mortgage and rent forgiveness...so who is going to pay the property taxes?? No worries for them. Worries for anyone able to pay their mortgage or own their homes outright as their property taxes will skyrocket. Ours has already gone up for the year. Property taxes will skyrocket forcing many out of their homes.
As I stated, this scenario is not sustainable. People really need to stop and think of what all this "free" money is really going to cost us.
SKEETER;
What do you tell people whom government covid policy has thrown out of work?
I tell them perhaps its time they rethink their political allegiances. If Ronald Reagan, Pete Wilson, or hell even George Dukmejian were governor we probably wouldn't be suffering as we are under the greasy haired fop we have now.
Arnold is the exception that would prove the rule.
BTW concerning property taxes in CA, I'd wager the average house in the bay area costs $15k in annual property taxes. The least expensive is closer to $10 or $12k. Try paying those after being locked out of work for 6 months.
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Thanks for that. Our garden is about a 1/2 acre and feeds four houses and then some. We put up 100 chickens already and are fixin to do another 100... but that will have to wait till after harvest, so them will be some big birds.
But it ain't all that hard. An eighth-acre of raised beds would go a long, long way for most folks... Heck, I could probably live off of that here, which is basically on one planting... and where you are there's at least two, maybe three plantings, and I would not be surprised if you couldn't grow all year around. I only eat fresh out of the garden in the late spring and early summer, and the only thing I can stagger-plant is the fast stuff like lettuce and radishes. Everything else is one shot, one harvest in August.
But even case goods, garden tails, and buying flats through a wholesaler to put up... You'd save a mint, and have a full pantry... And no worries for months. You should think on it. And grow something!
:laugh: :beer:
@roamer_1 I bought a 4x8 raised bed and I used black cow and organic soil and I planted lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, red peppers, zucchini and watermelon. Everything was growing just fine -- lettuce came in and then I realized that our sprinkler system is on reclaimed water (recycled sewage) so not exactly the best water for a garden. So I decided that I could wash everything and it should be ok. I normally have a green thumb with everything that I touch ... sadly not so much for my garden. Lettuce came in first, but I think I picked too late because it started sprouting and the leaves were tough. The peppers started to come in but only actually got to eat one -- the others shriveled and I watered them every day with the hose. Zucchini never came up, nor the cucumbers or watermelon. Tomatoes did ok, but again I think I picked too late not too juicy. Temps here get in the 90's and the garden was in full sun almost all day.
So...I turned the 4x8 it into a butterfly garden that has been fairly successful, but as I was digging the soil before planting, I had a bunch of newts or maybe baby monitor lizards in the soil that may have eaten my veg. garden. We live on a fresh water canal so I think "creatures" helped themselves. (Dang nab it).
My daughter picked some seeds up for me awhile ago, but the virus hit and I haven't ventured to Home Depot -- I was just going to put several large whiskey barrels along the other fence further away from the canal on the east side of the house and try my luck with squash, cucumbers and lettuce ... maybe a few tomato plants and see what happens.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. happy77
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@roamer_1 I bought a 4x8 raised bed and I used black cow and organic soil and I planted lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, red peppers, zucchini and watermelon. Everything was growing just fine -- lettuce came in and then I realized that our sprinkler system is on reclaimed water (recycled sewage) so not exactly the best water for a garden. So I decided that I could wash everything and it should be ok. I normally have a green thumb with everything that I touch ... sadly not so much for my garden. Lettuce came in first, but I think I picked too late because it started sprouting and the leaves were tough. The peppers started to come in but only actually got to eat one -- the others shriveled and I watered them every day with the hose. Zucchini never came up, nor the cucumbers or watermelon. Tomatoes did ok, but again I think I picked too late not too juicy. Temps here get in the 90's and the garden was in full sun almost all day.
So...I turned the 4x8 it into a butterfly garden that has been fairly successful, but as I was digging the soil before planting, I had a bunch of newts or maybe baby monitor lizards in the soil that may have eaten my veg. garden. We live on a fresh water canal so I think "creatures" helped themselves. (Dang nab it).
My daughter picked some seeds up for me awhile ago, but the virus hit and I haven't ventured to Home Depot -- I was just going to put several large whiskey barrels along the other fence further away from the canal on the east side of the house and try my luck with squash, cucumbers and lettuce ... maybe a few tomato plants and see what happens.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. happy77
Now see, here's the beauty of a raised bed system...
There's a lightweight screen cloth that comes either straight or as a sun shade product - I never have used the sun shade one up in here, so I can't tell you... But I use it on cabbages (well all brasicas) to keep the beetles of em. - In your case, you could make PVC hoops, attach them to your raised bed, and cover the whole thing with that stuff... Then you just let up one side or the other to work on it, and be sure to put it back down... No more newts or whatever, I reckon.
I dunno... I am not capable in your region... But I am sure there are folks down there that do know.
I wish I could remember the name of that stuff... I will try to remember to look while I am down at the ranch and write you back... But if I don't, it's an ag product used by market farmers all the time, and comes on a roll... Your ranck or garden store will know...
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Any suggestions would be appreciated. happy77
Well, OK...you asked......
Kill it with fire. You can always rebuild the house. Insurance will kick in some, too.
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Most mortgages have their property included in their monthly payments. PITI. Principal, Interest, Taxes and Insurance.
And property taxes WOULD not increase, that much. As your home gets older, the taxes will not increase. Is your home paid off? Then you need to pay your own, quarterly taxes. Since you aren't paying any mortgage, I am sure you can afford to pay only property tax. An average yearly property tax is about, $1,000.00 dollars. If you are in California, it may be $3,000.00 + a year, but it also means you have an expensive home. I don't 'see' an increase in property taxes, as being a hardship on homeowners, that it will make them, lose their homes. I used to be a realtor too, besides doing 1040 taxes and working for CPA firm and banks in the past. You must, HAVE some equity in your home too, if paid off. That is not a valid argument about property taxes.
Quote from: libertybele on Today at 03:12:08 PM
:amen: Prices are already skyrocketing. Food prices have gone up significantly in the past several months. Taxes will increase, it's just a matter of time. Let's see ... all kinds of people are being given mortgage and rent forgiveness...so who is going to pay the property taxes?? No worries for them. Worries for anyone able to pay their mortgage or own their homes outright as their property taxes will skyrocket. Ours has already gone up for the year. Property taxes will skyrocket forcing many out of their homes.
As I stated, this scenario is not sustainable. People really need to stop and think of what all this "free" money is really going to cost us.
SKEETER;
What do you tell people whom government covid policy has thrown out of work?
What?
Taxes can very easily go up on an old house.
In California the median house price is about $600,000. The property tax for that will be around $7,800 a year and likely go up 2% each year.
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My most recurring regret... building a raised bed system around my 'famous' front yard Dogwood tree.
Grew beautiful annuals...and KILLED MY MF'n 'Lady'. 8888crybaby
The dogwood? Oh yeah... You never raise the soil level on a tree. Might have been alright if you built a well for it, but even at that, the roots are so far underground... I would have told you, had I been the installer... I am sorry. But, firewood :shrug: :whistle:
Might could be that if you tore it back out, she might come back in the spring... But prolly too late.
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@sneakypete
Pete, I am sorry to Scooge ouaton this one, but in most cases if people would have practiced financial restraint, saved for a rainy day, and invested wisely, we wouldn't have such a large entitlement class in this country.
@catfish1957
I agree with you,BUT the ugly reality is they started doing this because the government started paying them to do it,and who refuses "free money"?
Well,adults refuse it because adults understand there is no such thing,but damn few of the professional parasites that infect America are actual adults,regardless of age because the government has encouraged them to be middle-aged or old teenagers.
It's kind of a "which came first,the chicken or the egg?" thing.
Not that it matters anymore because those people are soon to get a VERY big rude awakening.
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Well for crying out loud then make your stand denying benefits to people who don't deserve the help. I'll say it again, what do you do with people who've lost their livelihoods because of state government covid policy?
@skeeter @catfish1957
In other words,"Due to no fault of their own?"