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Title: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: truth_seeker on July 10, 2017, 06:04:33 pm
Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today

Jeff Crouere   Jul 08, 2017 12:01 AM

During the 2016 election, the “Never Trump” conservative critics of Donald Trump predicted a catastrophe for the country if he was elected President. Well, as we approach the six-month anniversary, America is witnessing our most successful presidency since Ronald Reagan.

Contrary to worries from movement conservatives, the President assembled a stellar cabinet and appointed a solid strict constructionist, Justice Neil Gorsuch, to the Supreme Court.

He instituted a travel ban, upheld by the Supreme Court, on six majority Muslim countries that harbor terrorists and cannot provide adequate vetting of their citizens who want to visit the United States. While we await construction of the border wall, deportations of illegal aliens have increased and the flow of undocumented immigrants across the southern border has dropped dramatically.

The President is currently enjoying his second successful foreign trip. On his first overseas visit, he was greeted as a hero in Saudi Arabia and sternly warned Muslim leaders about the threat of radical Islamic terrorism. Fortunately, America now has a President who will speak the truth about the jihadist threat to civilization. In addition, Americans now can feel comfortable that their President will no longer apologize for their country, but will extol our virtues on foreign soil.

After his successful visit to the Middle East and the reestablishment of a close relationship with our biggest ally in the region, Israel, President Trump admonished our NATO allies to pay their fair share in military expenditures. This stern lecture was not well received by some NATO countries, but it was appreciated by leaders in Poland and other countries who are fulfilling their defense obligations.

As he embarked on his second foreign trip, it was quite fitting that the President’s first stop was in Poland, where he was given an enthusiastic welcome. At the G-20 summit, he finally met with Russian President Vladimir Putin and successfully negotiated a cease fire in Syria, while discussing other important topics such as the North Korean threat and cyber warfare. While the biased media focused on Russian interference in the 2016 election, President Trump focused on delivering results for the American people.

His significant foreign policy accomplishments notwithstanding, the biggest impact of President Trump has been on the nation’s economy. On Friday, the federal government announced another positive economic report. Last month, 222,000 jobs were created, significantly higher than economic forecasts. This year, the country is averaging 180,000 new jobs each month, much better than the average during the Obama years.

Last month, the unemployment rate held steady at a remarkable 4.4%. Wage growth edged upward 2.5% annually with the average work week increasing to 34.5 hours. In June, there were 160.1 million Americans in the labor force, an increase of 361,000 from the May report. Overall, the labor force participation rate improved to 62.8% as 94.8 million Americans are outside of the workforce, a decrease of 170,000 from last month.

https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffcrouere/2017/07/08/never-trump-critics-look-foolish-today-n2352109
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: truth_seeker on July 10, 2017, 06:07:41 pm
A few words, from Realityville......
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 10, 2017, 06:17:00 pm
Yeah we look like idiots.  :silly:

(http://i.imgur.com/Bqee14c.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/oMYko5n.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/B43Hw6V.png)

Guess it beats looking like a traitor.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: DCPatriot on July 10, 2017, 06:27:15 pm
A few words, from Realityville......


Indeed.

Hope they take the time to read it, and not simply react with the same old-same old.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Applewood on July 10, 2017, 06:28:53 pm
Oh boy!  Another Trump cheerleading thread to keep the fans in a state of constant adoration . 

Funny.   I don't feel foolish at all.

Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: corbe on July 10, 2017, 06:37:17 pm
   I don't look any more foolish today than I did yesterday and will likely look just as foolish tomorrow, to Trumpers.

   This article, as provocative as it is, Title alone, is welcome here on TBR just as some of the Articles I post are-because the Owner and the mods believe in rational discourse and @truth_seeker I'll take this opportunity to thank you, sincerely, for contributing to what makes this place so Vibrant, entertaining and most of all enlightening. 
   NO. I DIDN'T READ IT!
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 10, 2017, 06:39:21 pm
Funny.   I don't feel foolish at all.

That comes from not needing to change opinions multiple times per day to stay on the same page as the president.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 10, 2017, 06:45:37 pm

Indeed.  Hope they take the time to read it, and not simply react with the same old-same old.

I do, too @DCPatriot

And thanks for posting this @truth_seeker
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: goodwithagun on July 10, 2017, 06:54:03 pm
What happened to the post with the picture of the little kid that thinks of Trump whenever he sees the American flag? Did the poster delete it because he/she realized it demonstrated the exact opposite of it's intent?
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Suppressed on July 10, 2017, 07:09:36 pm
Trump has done a number of good things outlined in this piece.  But it crosses the line into ignoring the facts.  There are some downsides to many of the "wins" listed, and we shouldn't put on blinders and ignore them.

Contrary to worries from movement conservatives, the President assembled a stellar cabinet

...and then undercuts them.

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On his first overseas visit, he was greeted as a hero in Saudi Arabia and sternly warned Muslim leaders about the threat of radical Islamic terrorism.

Then backtracked and sold arms to Qatar after accusing them of terror support.  And set the stage for destabilization by Saudi Arabia.

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... President Trump admonished our NATO allies to pay their fair share in military expenditures. This stern lecture was not well received by some NATO countries,

...who promptly announced they were going to move closer to China.

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important topics such as the North Korean threat and cyber warfare. While the biased media focused on Russian interference in the 2016 election, President Trump focused on delivering results for the American people.

Results like continued progress by the North Koreans on ICBMs.

I don't have a problem with Trump's good qualities and his conservative successes.  I have a problem with ignoring the downsides.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: RoosGirl on July 10, 2017, 07:29:18 pm
Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today


Last month, the unemployment rate held steady at a remarkable 4.4%. Wage growth edged upward 2.5% annually with the average work week increasing to 34.5 hours. In June, there were 160.1 million Americans in the labor force, an increase of 361,000 from the May report. Overall, the labor force participation rate improved to 62.8% as 94.8 million Americans are outside of the workforce, a decrease of 170,000 from last month.


Hocus pocus numbers.

325,000,000 - Total population of USA
205,534,000 - Working age population of USA
160,100,000 - Americans in labor force (per the article) = 22.1% unemployment rate


Not that the numbers haven't improved, but why should I believe a word of this article?
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Rivergirl on July 10, 2017, 07:31:06 pm
As for the cabinet.  How nice of Tillerson to praise Erdogan for his courage during the attempted coup.
Thousands arrested, another thousands disappeared.
Despots are our friend.  Right.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: RoosGirl on July 10, 2017, 07:33:01 pm
As for the cabinet.  How nice of Tillerson to praise Erdogan for his courage during the attempted coup.
Thousands arrested, another thousands disappeared.
Despots are our friend.  Right.

Wait, wait, the Rex Tillerson that just finished celebrations of homosexual pride month within a government organization?  MMmmhmmm.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 10, 2017, 07:33:14 pm
What happened to the post with the picture of the little kid that thinks of Trump whenever he sees the American flag? Did the poster delete it because he/she realized it demonstrated the exact opposite of it's intent?

Seems to be some scrubbing going on.  :silly:
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Rivergirl on July 10, 2017, 07:53:35 pm
Retail sales down
Auto sales down.
Large corporations laying off thousands in an attempt to reorganize and improve the bottom line.
In the northeast, unemployment is intractable.
Yes there are some areas where employment numbers ae up, but the overall picture is not promising.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: goodwithagun on July 10, 2017, 07:55:16 pm
Seems to be some scrubbing going on.  :silly:

I clicked quote because I was going to post: But it's not a cult. When I did, the error message said that the post had been removed.  :silly:
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: mirraflake on July 10, 2017, 08:06:42 pm
Hocus pocus numbers.

325,000,000 - Total population of USA
205,534,000 - Working age population of USA
160,100,000 - Americans in labor force (per the article) = 22.1% unemployment rate




205,534,000 -160,100,00 = 22.1%

 Many of those are teens  or college students, disabled, people who retired pre age 65 (read gov't workers who retired at age 53 with full pension) , people who stopped working temp (taking care of parent, people in between jobs because they quit).

Nearly every business in my area has help wanted signs.

I told @jmyrlefuller  I could get him a job at $20.00 + per hour or less than 2-3 hours and he never took me up on it.

@RoosGirl
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: corbe on July 10, 2017, 08:10:49 pm
Hocus pocus numbers.

325,000,000 - Total population of USA
205,534,000 - Working age population of USA
160,100,000 - Americans in labor force (per the article) = 22.1% unemployment rate


Not that the numbers haven't improved, but why should I believe a word of this article?

   It's the same Labor Dept that gave us obummers glorious numbers for 8 years.   
   Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: mirraflake on July 10, 2017, 08:15:28 pm
Retail sales down
Auto sales down.


US auto companies sold record # of new cars and trucks in 2015 and 2016. This is cyclical for car and truck sales. There have also not been a lot of new models or facelift of cars in the last few years so people are holding off.

New home construction is up..everything is cyclical.

@Rivergirl
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Sanguine on July 10, 2017, 08:23:46 pm
........

I don't have a problem with Trump's good qualities and his conservative successes.  I have a problem with ignoring the downsides.

That sums it up nicely, @Suppressed

I remember a whole lot of "hold his feet to the fire" promises in the run-up to the election.  Well, now's the time to do it.  But, that can't happen until we acknowledge that he might be veering off-course just a teeny-tiny bit.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: truth_seeker on July 10, 2017, 08:31:23 pm

I don't have a problem with Trump's good qualities and his conservative successes.  I have a problem with ignoring the downsides.

"Ignoring the downsides," is the last thing this site and its members, can be accused of.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Sanguine on July 10, 2017, 08:32:56 pm
"Ignoring the downsides," is the last thing this site and its members, can be accused of.

Now, come on - that's not even a good deflection.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Suppressed on July 10, 2017, 08:36:32 pm
I remember a whole lot of "hold his feet to the fire" promises in the run-up to the election.  Well, now's the time to do it.  But, that can't happen until we acknowledge that he might be veering off-course just a teeny-tiny bit.

@Sanguine
If they don't hold his feet to the fire, it just promotes more of his liberal side.  And yet they still heap on praise.  So I wonder whether they are true conservatives.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: corbe on July 10, 2017, 08:36:51 pm
"Ignoring the downsides," is the last thing this site and its members, can be accused of.

   You may have a point there @truth_seeker after all he is the President of the US and not related to Buddah.

(http://commentsmeme.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Buddhism-Quotes-39.jpg)
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: INVAR on July 10, 2017, 08:53:13 pm
@Sanguine
If they don't hold his feet to the fire, it just promotes more of his liberal side.  And yet they still heap on praise.  So I wonder whether they are true conservatives.

We have been told repeatedly that principles no longer matter and that Conservative principles do not win elections and cannot govern. 

So what do you think they really are?
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: RoosGirl on July 10, 2017, 10:41:14 pm
205,534,000 -160,100,00 = 22.1%

 Many of those are teens  or college students, disabled, people who retired pre age 65 (read gov't workers who retired at age 53 with full pension) , people who stopped working temp (taking care of parent, people in between jobs because they quit).

Nearly every business in my area has help wanted signs.

I told @jmyrlefuller  I could get him a job at $20.00 + per hour or less than 2-3 hours and he never took me up on it.

@RoosGirl

Come on, these are the same BS numbers that were rolled out during the O admin.  We knew they were BS then, but they aren't now?
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: DCPatriot on July 10, 2017, 10:44:51 pm
Come on, these are the same BS numbers that were rolled out during the O admin.  We knew they were BS then, but they aren't now?

You can't be that naive, @RoosGirl !

Provide just one link where the Trump "numbers" have been adjusted downward a month later....like they were for 96 months under Obama.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: RoosGirl on July 10, 2017, 11:06:40 pm
You can't be that naive, @RoosGirl !

Provide just one link where the Trump "numbers" have been adjusted downward a month later....like they were for 96 months under Obama.

@DCPatriot
I think I may not have explained clearly.  What I meant was, they are using the O admin BS numbers as a starting point and adjusted as unemployment has genuinely been improving.  But do I think the REAL unemployment number is 4.4%?  No, I don't.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: INVAR on July 10, 2017, 11:17:29 pm
I think I may not have explained clearly.  What I meant was, they are using the O admin BS numbers as a starting point and adjusted as unemployment has genuinely been improving.  But do I think the REAL unemployment number is 4.4%?  No, I don't.

How many millions who have left the workforce under Obama and went on 99 weeks of unemployment and permanent welfare have rejoined the workforce under Trump?

Or are they still working with the leftovers still meandering around in the workforce since Obama left office as their baseline to make up these numbers?
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: DCPatriot on July 10, 2017, 11:33:03 pm
@DCPatriot
I think I may not have explained clearly.  What I meant was, they are using the O admin BS numbers as a starting point and adjusted as unemployment has genuinely been improving.  But do I think the REAL unemployment number is 4.4%?  No, I don't.

I was focusing solely on the monthly numbers (new jobs) not the so-called BS unemployment rate.  @RoosGirl
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 10, 2017, 11:59:38 pm

Indeed.

Hope they take the time to read it, and not simply react with the same old-same old.
I did. During the Obama years this state was lauded for having the lowest unemployment in the country at 3%. That was considered the best in the country. Considering people came here from every state in the US for work, I'm assuming unemployment rates were much higher elsewhere.

If the Federal rate is 4.4 percent, those numbers have to be cooked.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: RoosGirl on July 11, 2017, 12:07:23 am
I was focusing solely on the monthly numbers (new jobs) not the so-called BS unemployment rate.  @RoosGirl

Sooo... we agree that the overall unemployment rate is BS?  But you think the monthly numbers are spot on? 

Mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm Donald J Trump.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: DCPatriot on July 11, 2017, 01:33:15 am
Sooo... we agree that the overall unemployment rate is BS?  But you think the monthly numbers are spot on? 

Mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm Donald J Trump.

I'm on record here years ago, saying that the Obama unemployment numbers were bogus and the 'Real' UER was about 12-14%.

As @INVAR  said, a lot of those addicted to sitting on the asses after 99 weeks (104=2 yrs) were shifted to Disability rolls.

How many of those 95+ million people wish to go back to a 40 hour work week is debatable.

But yeah....stop and think.   If the Trump numbers are bogus like Obama's monthly stated numbers were...always being adjusted a month or two later, why haven't the adversarial media and Democrats challenged his record job numbers?

Hmmmmm?

...is right,  @RoosGirl    :laugh:
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 11, 2017, 01:51:48 am
@DCPatriot
I think I may not have explained clearly.  What I meant was, they are using the O admin BS numbers as a starting point and adjusted as unemployment has genuinely been improving.  But do I think the REAL unemployment number is 4.4%?  No, I don't.

What's even more important than an unemployment number, however adjusted, @RoosGirl is the "confidence" factor ...and confidence is measured by job creation numbers.  The job creation numbers are steadily climbing and Americans are once again looking to reenter the workforce.  A couple of excerpts on this follow:

Quote
June Jobs Report: Everything You Need to Know
Wall Street Journal, Jul 7, 2017

U.S. employers added 222,000 jobs in June, topping estimates as hiring quickened. Wages inched up.

http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/june-jobs-report-labor-wages-employment-analysis

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U.S. economy gains a strong 222,000 jobs in June
CNN Money, Jul 7, 2017

The U.S. economy added 222,000 jobs in June, much more than economists were expecting, the Labor Department said Friday.

It's welcome news after the prior two jobs reports had hinted at a possible slowdown in job growth.

"The job market hasn't lost any steam," says Josh Wright, chief economist at software firm iCIMS.

The unemployment rate rose slightly to 4.4%, hovering just above its lowest level since 2001. Shortly after the Great Recession ended in 2009, unemployment peaked at 10%.

Unemployment rose for a good reason: More people jumped back into the job market to look for work. The participation rate in the labor force rose a notch last month.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/07/news/economy/june-jobs-report/index.html


Business trusts the President and appreciates his well-planned Executive Orders to untie the private sector from Obama's restrictions.  In short, this economy is poised to explode.  Once Congress gets its damn act in gear on Obamacare and tax reform ---- don't forget to look up and watch it happen!   ^-^


@DCPatriot

Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 11, 2017, 01:53:25 am
I'm on record here years ago, saying that the Obama unemployment numbers were bogus and the 'Real' UER was about 12-14%.

As @INVAR  said, a lot of those addicted to sitting on the asses after 99 weeks (104=2 yrs) were shifted to Disability rolls.

How many of those 95+ million people wish to go back to a 40 hour work week is debatable.

But yeah....stop and think.   If the Trump numbers are bogus like Obama's monthly stated numbers were...always being adjusted a month or two later, why haven't the adversarial media and Democrats challenged his record job numbers?

Hmmmmm?

...is right,  @RoosGirl    :laugh:
If his numbers are being figured the same way their numbers were,  the rats would have to out themselves. Sooner or alter, they'll go negative if there is a decent recovery.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on July 11, 2017, 02:04:54 am
@DCPatriot
I think I may not have explained clearly.  What I meant was, they are using the O admin BS numbers as a starting point and adjusted as unemployment has genuinely been improving.  But do I think the REAL unemployment number is 4.4%?  No, I don't.

A few weeks ago I needed a new lawn mower.  I noticed that HD, Lowe's, and WM all had help wanted signs, as did several other businesses I drove by (pizza joints, oil change places, etc).

Is it great to see businesses hiring?  YES!

Does one oil change "tech" count the same as a doctor in UE figures?  Well, yeah.  Officially
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: RoosGirl on July 11, 2017, 02:05:47 am
If his numbers are being figured the same way their numbers were,  the rats would have to out themselves. Sooner or alter, they'll go negative if there is a decent recovery.

Yep, I've said this same thing.  But hey, let's not look at the numbers here, let's look over there.  Oohh, is that a squirrel?  You know I haven't had any good squirrel stew in a long time.

The figures presented in the posted article are suspect, which to me means the entire article should be suspect. Unless you love The Donald, and then nothing good abiut him that is reported is suspect and we all must genuflect to The (second) One.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: rodamala on July 11, 2017, 02:07:32 am
"Well, as we approach the six-month anniversary, America is witnessing our most successful presidency since Ronald Reagan."

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Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Rivergirl on July 11, 2017, 11:46:26 am
Somewhere on TBR I posted that auto sales were down and was 'corrected' by a poster saying they were up.
Fact is that for the first six months of 2017 auto sales were down every month.  That said, they are still higher than during O administration.
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Cripplecreek on July 11, 2017, 11:52:08 am
Somewhere on TBR I posted that auto sales were down and was 'corrected' by a poster saying they were up.
Fact is that for the first six months of 2017 auto sales were down every month.  That said, they are still higher than during O administration.

Lots of contradictory stories being posted. Yesterday I saw a story posted that claimed illegal border crossings were down by half, this morning another story asks why there is a sudden spike in illegal border crossings.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Never Trump Critics Look Foolish Today
Post by: Jazzhead on July 11, 2017, 12:22:25 pm
I'll admit I had one thing dead wrong - on the morning after the election,  I said that Trump was like the dog who caught the car.  He isn't - he's known what he's wanted to do from the start,  and has been pressing his agenda. 

Trump had plans because, it appears, despite all the conventional wisdom he knew he had a shot at winning.   It was the GOP Congressional leadership who turned out to be the dog that caught the car.   I suspect GOP leadership in its wildest dreams didn't think it would wake up on the day after the election with control of both houses of Congress AND a GOP President that would sign whatever legislation it gave him.   That shock, and the leadership's apparent lack of plans, has led directly to the current situation where the Congress has seemingly spit the bit and been mired in bickering and paralysis. 

 Health care reform, tax reform, tort reform - where the hell is it all?   Pass the bills, GOP caucus, the President will sign them.   I fear an historic opportunity will soon be gone with the wind.