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Title: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: truth_seeker on January 06, 2017, 09:15:38 pm
'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory

Jan 6, 3:29 PM EST

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress certified Donald Trump's presidential victory Friday over the objections of a handful of House Democrats, with Vice President Joe Biden pronouncing, "It is over."

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Trump finished with 304 electoral votes and Democrat Hillary Clinton got 227. There were seven protest votes for other candidates. It takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the presidency.

As expected, Mike Pence was elected vice president.

Trump and Pence are to be sworn in on Jan. 20.

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ELECTORAL_COLLEGE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-01-06-13-42-39

Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: jmyrlefuller on January 06, 2017, 09:38:45 pm
It's sad, in a laughable sort of way, that the Democrats couldn't even get on the same page regarding an organized objection.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Hondo69 on January 06, 2017, 09:52:24 pm
It's sad, in a laughable sort of way, that the Democrats couldn't even get on the same page regarding an organized objection.

Still, Maxine Everyone-Deserves-A-Free-House Waters couldn't help herself and threw herself on the floor pounding her fists and kicking.

New Trump Rule #149: Anyone wishing to speak in the well of the Congress or Senate must do so naked.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 06, 2017, 10:06:14 pm
There were seven protest votes for other candidates.


This is not insignificant and if it were close like Bush and Gore, it would have been a shitstorm of epic proportions because those protest votes could have thrown the election.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: corbe on January 06, 2017, 10:08:10 pm


   Correction: Maxine Waters is on the #neverwhite side.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: jmyrlefuller on January 06, 2017, 10:17:53 pm
No it doesn't.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 06, 2017, 10:23:29 pm


What a pointless attack on the good people of this forum who don't agree with you about Trump.

Are you ever, EVER going to stop this childishness?
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: libertybele on January 06, 2017, 10:25:12 pm
It's sad, in a laughable sort of way, that the Democrats couldn't even get on the same page regarding an organized objection.

I am hoping that the defeat of the decades old Clinton dynasty will eventually sink in.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 06, 2017, 10:26:45 pm
I am hoping that the defeat of the decades old Clinton dynasty will eventually sink in.

It's clearly got them befuddled.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2017, 12:01:16 am
It's clearly got them befuddled.

Nonsense.  For those who voted for Trump, the end of the Clintons was the cherry on the parfait.   ^-^
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: jmyrlefuller on January 07, 2017, 01:44:17 am
Nonsense.  For those who voted for Trump, the end of the Clintons was the cherry on the parfait.   ^-^
We weren't talking about you.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 07, 2017, 03:18:37 am
We weren't talking about you.

I don't know about that, jmyrle.

It was clear  you and I were talking about Democrats, so perhaps she realized that we WERE talking about her.

(Either that or she's so anxious to fight that she doesn't even care that she's entirely mistaken about what's being said).

At any rate, the Democrats are befuddled, as I said previously......
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: DCPatriot on January 07, 2017, 04:17:56 am
It's sad, in a laughable sort of way, that the Democrats couldn't even get on the same page regarding an organized objection.

No....what's sad is seeing you taking a dump in a park....with a selfie no less.   
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: DCPatriot on January 07, 2017, 04:20:47 am

What a pointless attack on the good people of this forum who don't agree with you about Trump.

Are you ever, EVER going to stop this childishness?

That's rich, @musiclady

That's ALL you do lately.....attack the good people in this forum who happen to like Donald Trump.

Next, you're going to probably tell us what great sex you and your husband have......    :whistle:
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: truth_seeker on January 07, 2017, 05:27:02 am
No....what's sad is seeing you taking a dump in a park....with a selfie no less.

That is a particularly keen interpretation, of the subject photographic self-portrait !!
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 07, 2017, 06:18:12 am
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Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 07, 2017, 06:54:17 am
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Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 07, 2017, 07:00:25 am

This is not insignificant and if it were close like Bush and Gore, it would have been a shitstorm of epic proportions because those protest votes could have thrown the election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMORAZCog5A
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Doug Loss on January 07, 2017, 12:20:21 pm
Still, Maxine Everyone-Deserves-A-Free-House Waters couldn't help herself and threw herself on the floor pounding her fists and kicking.

New Trump Rule #149: Anyone wishing to speak in the well of the Congress or Senate must do so naked.

So...CSPAN becomes a horribly bad porn channel?
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 07, 2017, 12:34:47 pm
If the country continues to be be 50/50 conservative/liberal, i could see elections being invalidated by these shenanigans and getting thrown to the House and Senate. Eventually our legislative bodies would be choosing our Presidents, much like it happens in Europe and in parliamentary nations.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2017, 02:15:02 pm

It was clear  you and I were talking about Democrats, so perhaps she realized that we WERE talking about her.

(Either that or she's so anxious to fight that she doesn't even care that she's entirely mistaken about what's being said).

At any rate, the Democrats are befuddled, as I said previously......

What a pointless attack on the good people of this forum who don't agree with you @musiclady

Are you ever, EVER going to stop this childishness?
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 07, 2017, 03:19:25 pm
That's rich, @musiclady

That's ALL you do lately.....attack the good people in this forum who happen to like Donald Trump.

Next, you're going to probably tell us what great sex you and your husband have......    :whistle:

Although this stupid post doesn't deserve a response, I will point out that I came on this thread and attacked Democrats.

I have done that repeatedly, and your saying that I do nothing but attack the "good" people of this forum is an outright lie, and beneath you.

I said here, in agreement with @jmyrlefuller , that the Democrats are confused by Trump's victory, and you misinterpreted it.

I don't want to have to put you on ignore, but stop with the gratuitous ad hominems.  And if you can't refrain from stupid stuff, then at least try to come close to the truth with your attacks.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2017, 03:23:22 pm
That's rich, @musiclady

That's ALL you do lately.....attack the good people in this forum who happen to like Donald Trump.

Next, you're going to probably tell us what great sex you and your husband have......    :whistle:

DC?  Wow.  What has happened to you??  Get a grip and clean up your forum act.  Your last two posts in this thread were absolutely crude and uncalled for!
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: DCPatriot on January 07, 2017, 03:50:18 pm
DC?  Wow.  What has happened to you??  Get a grip and clean up your forum act.  Your last two posts in this thread were absolutely crude and uncalled for!

To hell they are.

I've been watching and reading their blatant passive aggressiveness for months.  And I'm sick of it.

Where in the hell are you and the rest of the MODS when every time @truth_seeker or @Right_in_Virginia make a post....only to see those two run to attack them.


The silence is deafening.  @musiclady 's sanctimony is nauseating.   

I was told by MOD3 the other day I was a "good egg" for removing my signature meme, with the word "shit" in it.

Meanwhile we have @Wingnut and @Frank Cannon posting their usual risque crudeness in virtually every post.....as if they were in some kind of comedic elimination match.   BTW....their posts don't upset me personally, but for chrissakes....show a but of consistency, man.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 07, 2017, 04:02:58 pm
To hell they are.

I've been watching and reading their blatant passive aggressiveness for months.  And I'm sick of it.

Where in the hell are you and the rest of the MODS when every time @truth_seeker or @Right_in_Virginia make a post....only to see those two run to attack them.


The silence is deafening.  @musiclady 's sanctimony is nauseating.   

I was told by MOD3 the other day I was a "good egg" for removing my signature meme, with the word "shit" in it.

Meanwhile we have @Wingnut and @Frank Cannon posting their usual risque crudeness in virtually every post.....as if they were in some kind of comedic elimination match.   BTW....their posts don't upset me personally, but for chrissakes....show a but of consistency, man.

I knew there was a lot more going on than your mistake about my attack on Democrats on this thread.  Yikes.

Let it be known that I respond to truth seeker when he repeatedly attacks THIS FORUM.  I have Right in Virginia on perpetual Ignore, and only respond to her when she personally attacks me (and I accidentally see it), as she did on this thread.  Otherwise I couldn't give a rip about what she says and enjoy not seeing anything she says, let alone responding to it..

For the record, lately most of my posts have been about the shooting in Ft. Lauderdale, the obnoxiousness and hideousness of the Obama's, and Donald Trump's lack of qualifications for President and perversion, not liking GPS, Pachelbel's Canon in D, the rotten leftist media, and a whole slew of other topics.

The idea that I spend most of my time attacking people on this forum is absurd.

Especially when you're on a thread where I was attacking Democrats and RiV came out of the blue to attack me.

Take some time off, @DCPatriot
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 07, 2017, 04:09:41 pm
Oh, yeah........... and I have also spent time discussing the TV series, The Vikings, and even posted a photo of Floki.

This one......

(https://theferkel.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/floki-vikings.jpg)

The truth matters, @DCPatriot ............. just because you're mad at the world doesn't mean you have to lie about me, and say such crude things....
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: DCPatriot on January 07, 2017, 04:13:28 pm

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YAWN!   I'll let you have the last word, otherwise you'll never STHU.    :laugh:
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2017, 05:21:20 pm
To hell they are.

I've been watching and reading their blatant passive aggressiveness for months.  And I'm sick of it.

Where in the hell are you and the rest of the MODS when every time @truth_seeker or @Right_in_Virginia make a post....only to see those two run to attack them.


The silence is deafening.  @musiclady 's sanctimony is nauseating.   

I was told by MOD3 the other day I was a "good egg" for removing my signature meme, with the word "shit" in it.

Meanwhile we have @Wingnut and @Frank Cannon posting their usual risque crudeness in virtually every post.....as if they were in some kind of comedic elimination match.   BTW....their posts don't upset me personally, but for chrissakes....show a but of consistency, man.

DC I consider you a friend as I do MusicLady.  I remember back when we all got along and the attacks weren't personally directed ... just sayin'.  Anyway you cut it people's personalities (on line as well) have changed since Trump entered the picture which really hasn't been for the better.  Some are just as ruthless, crass and bombastic as he is and IMHO speaks volumes.

I am NOT a Trump supporter by any means, but I will be the first one to defend him against the outlandish accusations and comments by the left. As for Trump, first and foremost we need a leader not someone who is going to set an example to our youth and to the LIV's of that of a 5th grade bully or some playboy!

Meanwhile, I have given Trump a clean slate and I pray to God he acts like a President and leads this country down a much better path and shows the World that America and Americans can be respected again.

We don't have any control over how the Mods react, but we do have control over how we act and react. Yes, there seems to be some inconsistency; but it is their forum and they're human. As for Frank and Wingnut, IMHO they feed off each others humor and it's part of their personality. I don't see them really meaning any harm and certainly don't take a lot of what they say seriously.

Peace to you and Music.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: DCPatriot on January 07, 2017, 05:34:39 pm
DC I consider you a friend as I do MusicLady.  I remember back when we all got along and the attacks weren't personally directed ... just sayin'.  Anyway you cut it people's personalities (on line as well) have changed since Trump entered the picture which really hasn't been for the better.  Some are just as ruthless, crass and bombastic as he is and IMHO speaks volumes.

I am NOT a Trump supporter by any means, but I will be the first one to defend him against the outlandish accusations and comments by the left. As for Trump, first and foremost we need a leader not someone who is going to set an example to our youth and to the LIV's of that of a 5th grade bully or some playboy!

Meanwhile, I have given Trump a clean slate and I pray to God he acts like a President and leads this country down a much better path and shows the World that America and Americans can be respected again.

We don't have any control over how the Mods react, but we do have control over how we act and react. Yes, there seems to be some inconsistency; but it is their forum and they're human. As for Frank and Wingnut, IMHO they feed off each others humor and it's part of their personality. I don't see them really meaning any harm and certainly don't take a lot of what they say seriously.

Peace to you and Music.

   I'll try harder, @libertybele ....to live up to your standards.    :beer:
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Suppressed on January 07, 2017, 05:37:13 pm
Meanwhile we have @Wingnut and @Frank Cannon posting their usual risque crudeness in virtually every post.....as if they were in some kind of comedic elimination match.   

Okay, you make a good point here.

It stands in stark contrast, but I'll give credit where due.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2017, 05:47:36 pm
   I'll try harder, @libertybele ....to live up to your standards.    :beer:

Good grief.  I'll take that your comment was meant with some sarcasm and humor... at any rate, I liked this forum much better when my forum buddies were getting along ... just sayin'. Peace.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Silver Pines on January 07, 2017, 06:03:26 pm
Oh, yeah........... and I have also spent time discussing the TV series, The Vikings, and even posted a photo of Floki.

This one......

(https://theferkel.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/floki-vikings.jpg)

The truth matters, @DCPatriot ............. just because you're mad at the world doesn't mean you have to lie about me, and say such crude things....

@musiclady

Off-topic but I just have to say this one thing.  I am not happy with the politically correct direction they're taking with his character.  It's totally implausible, especially for him.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 07, 2017, 06:18:48 pm
@musiclady

Off-topic but I just have to say this one thing.  I am not happy with the politically correct direction they're taking with his character.  It's totally implausible, especially for him.

What season are you watching, @CatherineofAragon ?  We're in Season 4, and I'm not remembering anything particular from previous seasons.....
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 07, 2017, 06:19:15 pm
Meanwhile we have @Wingnut and @Frank Cannon posting their usual risque crudeness in virtually every post.....as if they were in some kind of comedic elimination match.   BTW....their posts don't upset me personally, but for chrissakes....show a but of consistency, man.

Our posts are GD classy you son of a b. None of our shit is crude and offensive......and if any of it is, it's @Wingnut fault.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Wingnut on January 07, 2017, 06:23:08 pm
Our posts are GD classy you son of a b. None of our shit is crude and offensive......and if any of it is, it's @Wingnut fault.

Yeah, what my A-hole friend said.  Hey wait.... what.  I'm innocent, just call home and ask my wife.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 07, 2017, 06:30:39 pm

Let it be known that I respond to truth seeker when he repeatedly attacks THIS FORUM.  I have Right in Virginia on perpetual Ignore, and only respond to her when she personally attacks me (and I accidentally see it), as she did on this thread.  Otherwise I couldn't give a rip about what she says and enjoy not seeing anything she says, let alone responding to it..

 :bs: @musiclady   I have read your posts going on for miles "discussing" me personally with others.  Stop being so disingenuous---it conflicts with your claim to superior ethics and morality.



Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: DCPatriot on January 07, 2017, 06:45:39 pm
Our posts are GD classy you son of a b. None of our shit is crude and offensive......and if any of it is, it's @Wingnut fault.

 :silly:   :beer:
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: DCPatriot on January 07, 2017, 06:46:45 pm
Yeah, what my A-hole friend said.  Hey wait.... what.  I'm innocent, just call home and ask my wife.

 :laugh: :beer:
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2017, 06:50:38 pm
Yeah, what my A-hole friend said.  Hey wait.... what.  I'm innocent, just call home and ask my wife.

I called your wife and when I mentioned your name she just hung up on me!  :shrug:
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Wingnut on January 07, 2017, 06:55:47 pm
I called your wife and when I mentioned your name she just hung up on me!  :shrug:

That wasn't my wife!  :nometalk:
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2017, 07:12:40 pm
That wasn't my wife!  :nometalk:

  :laughingdog:
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: jmyrlefuller on January 07, 2017, 08:43:49 pm
To hell they are.

I've been watching and reading their blatant passive aggressiveness for months.  And I'm sick of it.

Where in the hell are you and the rest of the MODS when every time @truth_seeker or @Right_in_Virginia make a post....only to see those two run to attack them.


The silence is deafening.  @musiclady 's sanctimony is nauseating.   

I was told by MOD3 the other day I was a "good egg" for removing my signature meme, with the word "shit" in it.

Meanwhile we have @Wingnut and @Frank Cannon posting their usual risque crudeness in virtually every post.....as if they were in some kind of comedic elimination match.   BTW....their posts don't upset me personally, but for chrissakes....show a but of consistency, man.
If you read the original post, it had nothing to do with anyone who supported Trump, including the original poster. It was squarely on topic, about the incompetence and utter silliness of the Democratic Party, whom I would hope would be mutual targets of ridicule from both sides of the Trump debate on the right.

In other words, your accusation of public lewdness all for sitting on a park bench—when my pants were clearly on—was totally uncalled for. DC, I've known you on this board long enough; at the risk of being accused of "sanctimony," you should know better.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 07, 2017, 08:57:29 pm
If you read the original post, it had nothing to do with anyone who supported Trump, including the original poster. It was squarely on topic, about the incompetence and utter silliness of the Democratic Party, whom I would hope would be mutual targets of ridicule from both sides of the Trump debate on the right.

In other words, your accusation of public lewdness all for sitting on a park bench—when my pants were clearly on—was totally uncalled for. DC, I've known you on this board long enough; at the risk of being accused of "sanctimony," you should know better.

The irony of these ugly personal attacks against both of us is that neither of us was attacking anyone but the Democrat party here.

All those nasty words and outrage were utterly wasted, because, as you have said, the targets of our words, the Democrats, should be mutually agreed upon by both Trump and non-Trump posters.

On a thread where we should be united and we should all agree, they chose to divide.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2017, 09:01:50 pm
If you read the original post, it had nothing to do with anyone who supported Trump, including the original poster. It was squarely on topic, about the incompetence and utter silliness of the Democratic Party, whom I would hope would be mutual targets of ridicule from both sides of the Trump debate on the right.

In other words, your accusation of public lewdness all for sitting on a park bench—when my pants were clearly on—was totally uncalled for. DC, I've known you on this board long enough; at the risk of being accused of "sanctimony," you should know better.

Now that we're back to the subject of keeping pants on ... please for the love of God,Weird Tolkienish Figure, get some pants on!!  :silly:
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Night Hides Not on January 07, 2017, 09:12:42 pm
I've said what I wanted to say regarding the profanity we've seen on TBR to the owner. Accordingly, I'm not making any more comments, and have already made use of the "ignore" function on several members.

Secondly, the incessant personal battles are a big turnoff. If anyone is looking for me between now and the end of the college basketball season, I can be found updating my thread, "The Vineyard." I'm gathering posting material that I think will be beneficial to all that enjoy a good glass of wine, at reasonable prices. I'm not an expert, though I'm definitely an enthusiast.

As to hoops, Gonzaga is 15-0, and we're enjoying a very special team this year. We particularly enjoyed our trip to Nashville to see the Zags beat Tennessee, with stops at the Country Music HOF and Sun Studio in Memphis.

Apologies for being so off-topic. Tschuss!
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 07, 2017, 09:14:41 pm
I've said what I wanted to say regarding the profanity we've seen on TBR to the owner. Accordingly, I'm not making any more comments, and have already made use of the "ignore" function on several members.

Secondly, the incessant personal battles are a big turnoff. If anyone is looking for me between now and the end of the college basketball season, I can be found updating my thread, "The Vineyard." I'm gathering posting material that I think will be beneficial to all that enjoy a good glass of wine, at reasonable prices. I'm not an expert, though I'm definitely an enthusiast.

As to hoops, Gonzaga is 15-0, and we're enjoying a very special team this year. We particularly enjoyed our trip to Nashville to see the Zags beat Tennessee, with stops at the Country Music HOF and Sun Studio in Memphis.

Apologies for being so off-topic. Tschuss!

No apology necessary.  Your post is much appreciated....
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: Silver Pines on January 08, 2017, 01:13:33 am
What season are you watching, @CatherineofAragon ?  We're in Season 4, and I'm not remembering anything particular from previous seasons.....

@musiclady

We're coming up on the end of season 2.  I have season 4 to date on the DVR, and I had to go and sneak a peek at them.  Not only did I find out an upsetting spoiler, I saw the Spain raid, and Floki's...reaction to something.  I'm hoping they won't go down that path because it would be completely stupid pandering.
Title: Re: 'It is over': Congress certifies Donald Trump's victory
Post by: musiclady on January 08, 2017, 01:31:24 am
@musiclady

We're coming up on the end of season 2.  I have season 4 to date on the DVR, and I had to go and sneak a peek at them.  Not only did I find out an upsetting spoiler, I saw the Spain raid, and Floki's...reaction to something.  I'm hoping they won't go down that path because it would be completely stupid pandering.

Haven't seen those parts, so I'll keep my eye out and give you my opinion when I see them.

(Don't tell me any details!  We'll be finished with Season 4 by the end of next week and I'll give you my reaction).