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Title: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2017, 08:26:57 pm
McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
By Jacqueline Thomsen - 12/17/17 03:15 PM EST

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is returning to Arizona and will miss the final vote on his party’s tax bill this week, CBS News reported Sunday.

McCain, who has been hospitalized at Walter Reed Medical Center suffering from the side effects of his treatment for brain cancer, reportedly left Washington, D.C., on Sunday to return home for the holidays.

This means he will not be in D.C. to vote on the GOP tax bill, which is expected to take place early in the week.

The Hill has reached out to McCain’s office for comment.

more
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/365349-mccain-returns-to-arizona-wont-vote-on-gop-tax-bill (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/365349-mccain-returns-to-arizona-wont-vote-on-gop-tax-bill)
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2017, 08:27:30 pm
The end is near...going home to die I suspect.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 17, 2017, 08:28:15 pm
The end is near...going home to die I suspect.

Early Christmas present?
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2017, 08:30:37 pm
Ah come on...let's be nice....
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: dfwgator on December 17, 2017, 08:43:52 pm
No comment.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: dfwgator on December 17, 2017, 08:53:46 pm
"To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: RetBobbyMI on December 17, 2017, 08:56:21 pm
Another Special Election upcoming for the varmints to spew hate and discontent at whoever may run on the GOP side
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: edpc on December 17, 2017, 08:57:38 pm
"To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."


(https://media.giphy.com/media/KeTVw7VjcTJok/200.gif)


JOOOOOHHHHNNNNN!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 17, 2017, 09:20:34 pm
Another Special Election upcoming for the varmints to spew hate and discontent at whoever may run on the GOP side

I don't think we do Special Elections in AZ.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: edpc on December 17, 2017, 09:25:34 pm
I don't think we do Special Elections in AZ.

If McCain were to die or step down, he would be replaced by the governor.  Candidates would be eligible to run for his seat in the next general election in ‘18 or ‘20, depending on when it happened.  The winner would serve out the remainder of his term until 2022.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/07/20/what-if-senator-mccain-leaves-office-how-process-works/494621001/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/07/20/what-if-senator-mccain-leaves-office-how-process-works/494621001/)
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 17, 2017, 09:30:27 pm
From a few weeks ago:

Quote
Doctors find second tumor in Sen. John McCain’s brain
KTAR.com, Nov 29, 2017

PHOENIX — Doctors found a second tumor in the brain of U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the same place as the surgically-removed original growth.

The 81-year-old senator told People magazine he was feeling fine despite the second tumor that was discovered during chemotherapy.

“I’m getting treatment, and my progress is steady and good,” he told the publication. “People are saying, ‘I hope you can get over this.’ I believe I will.”


More: http://ktar.com/story/1852241/doctors-find-second-tumor-sen-john-mccain-brain/ (http://ktar.com/story/1852241/doctors-find-second-tumor-sen-john-mccain-brain/)
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 17, 2017, 09:48:37 pm
If McCain were to die or step down, he would be replaced by the governor.  Candidates would be eligible to run for his seat in the next general election in ‘18 or ‘20, depending on when it happened.  The winner would serve out the remainder of his term until 2022.

Link to AZCentral (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/07/20/what-if-senator-mccain-leaves-office-how-process-works/494621001/)

Yup.  I saw the same article.  If he's replaced before 12/31, there will be two senate races next year.  I'm pretty sure the Flake seat will be a Dem pickup, we have a lot of blue out here.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on December 17, 2017, 09:51:37 pm
Early Christmas present?

(https://pics.onsizzle.com/shouldnt-we-be-up-in-a-balcony-turning-point-usa-15627480.png)
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: dfwgator on December 17, 2017, 09:52:03 pm
(https://pics.onsizzle.com/shouldnt-we-be-up-in-a-balcony-turning-point-usa-15627480.png)

 :silly:
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 17, 2017, 09:58:09 pm
I don't think we do Special Elections in AZ.

That's odd. You certainly have "Special" elected officials there.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: WingNot on December 17, 2017, 09:59:01 pm
The end is near...going home to die I suspect.

Yep. My guess is the Doc's told him it was time. Get your affairs in order and say your goodbyes.  Turn out the lights...The party is over.  Looks like for once he listened to someone.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: WingNot on December 17, 2017, 10:01:13 pm
If McCain were to die or step down, he would be replaced by the governor.  Candidates would be eligible to run for his seat in the next general election in ‘18 or ‘20, depending on when it happened.  The winner would serve out the remainder of his term until 2022.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/07/20/what-if-senator-mccain-leaves-office-how-process-works/494621001/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/07/20/what-if-senator-mccain-leaves-office-how-process-works/494621001/)



So he needs to hang on till Jan 1.   Don't think he can do it.   I bet he is room temp by Christmas morning.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: dfwgator on December 17, 2017, 10:01:19 pm
Yep. My guess is the Doc's told him it was time. Get your affairs in order and say your goodbyes.  Turn out the lights...The party is over.  Looks like for once he listened to someone.

Of course, he just couldn't find the time to actually resign his seat, so that at least somebody would be representing the citizens of Arizona.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 17, 2017, 10:22:33 pm
And now we get an idea of the true reason Franken is still there.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: WingNot on December 17, 2017, 10:24:19 pm
And now we get an idea of the true reason Franken is still there.

Well at least the haven't seated Doug Moore yet.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: bilo on December 17, 2017, 10:37:52 pm
Ah come on...let's be nice....

No, lets not. He stabbed conservatives in the back at every opportunity.

Good riddance to bad trash.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: edpc on December 17, 2017, 10:46:04 pm
Well at least they haven't seated Doug Moore yet.


They can't and won't, since the certification of the Alabama vote won't occur until after the Congressional break has begun.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: 240B on December 17, 2017, 11:06:13 pm
Doctors find second tumor in Sen. John McCain’s brain
KTAR.com, Nov 29, 2017

PHOENIX — Doctors found a second tumor in the brain of U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the same place as the surgically-removed original growth. The 81-year-old senator told People magazine he was feeling fine despite the second tumor that was discovered during chemotherapy. “I’m getting treatment, and my progress is steady and good,” he told the publication. “People are saying, ‘I hope you can get over this.’ I believe I will.”

That's just straight up crazy talk. If you didn't think McCain was in full denial before, that statement should clear up your doubts.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: mystery-ak on December 17, 2017, 11:23:50 pm
Quote
“I’m getting treatment, and my progress is steady and good"

Doesn't sound that way with finding a new tumor...
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: corbe on December 17, 2017, 11:30:45 pm
   Karma would be that he die on the waiting list of the Arizona VA since as chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services he is partly responsible for the shoddy treatment our Veterans are receiving there.   
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 17, 2017, 11:31:11 pm
Doesn't sound that way with finding a new tumor...

What they thought was a new tumor ended up being his daughter.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: 240B on December 17, 2017, 11:33:06 pm
McCain with the arrogance and hubris that is endemic in Washington D.C. yells, 'F**k you Death! You can't beat me! Do you know who I am!!'


But his daughter knows better. Every time the Senator's name is mentioned to her, she breaks out crying. She knows time is short. Even so, he refuses to face reality. She knows, as we all do.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Bigun on December 17, 2017, 11:42:18 pm
 :nometalk:
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Applewood on December 17, 2017, 11:52:03 pm
McCain with the arrogance and hubris that is endemic in Washington D.C. yells, 'F**k you Death! You can't beat me! Do you know who I am!!'


But his daughter knows better. Every time the Senator's name is mentioned to her, she breaks out crying. She knows time is short. Even so, he refuses to face reality. She knows, as we all do.

I think McCain knows what's happening. He's trying to be upbeat.    For who, I don't know.  His family and friends, maybe?
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on December 17, 2017, 11:52:17 pm
What they thought was a new tumor ended up being his daughter.

She no more use than he is.

Back when I Used to listen to talk radio, I'd stare at the damn thing Amazed at the drivel spewing out of her.

With her Dad gone, her own celebrity worth also diminishes considerably.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: libertybele on December 17, 2017, 11:52:42 pm
McCain with the arrogance and hubris that is endemic in Washington D.C. yells, 'F**k you Death! You can't beat me! Do you know who I am!!'


But his daughter knows better. Every time the Senator's name is mentioned to her, she breaks out crying. She knows time is short. Even so, he refuses to face reality. She knows, as we all do.

I don't believe for a minute that he's being arrogant towards this disease; however, being optimistic is helpful in combating any disease whether terminal or not. With a second tumor developed,that means that the chemo/radiation didn't work and I don't think he'll be back to the Senate and he may not even make it till Christmas.  A very sad time indeed for his family; sad that he chose to hunker down in the Senate instead of spending his last days with his family. 
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: aligncare on December 17, 2017, 11:53:03 pm
:nometalk:

That’s exactly what my mama told me to do when I didn’t have anything nice to say.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Applewood on December 17, 2017, 11:56:07 pm
That’s exactly what my mama told me to do when I didn’t have anything nice to say.

Well, after having sparred with you on this site, I know you don't always follow that rule. 

But that's ok.  Neither do I.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Frank Cannon on December 17, 2017, 11:56:57 pm

Back when I Used to listen to talk radio, I'd stare at the damn thing Amazed at the drivel spewing out of her.


LOL. That was easily the worst radio show ever. At job sites my guys used to fight each other running to change the channel when 6PM hit and her fat ass came on.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Fantom on December 17, 2017, 11:59:23 pm
:nometalk:

+1, too close to the day of the Lords birth...... I'll sully myself later.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Bigun on December 17, 2017, 11:59:26 pm
That’s exactly what my mama told me to do when I didn’t have anything nice to say.

And I truly don't!   888high58888
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on December 18, 2017, 12:02:27 am
:nometalk:


I will feel as choked up, teary eyed, and full of respect for this departed Senator and his machinations as I promised myself I would feel when Ted Kennedy FINALLY boarded the noon Velvet Telephone Booth out of my life and out of my Country's life.

And I have never looked back on my decision regarding Teddy for a heartbeat.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJCRY3rUwAA4U0g.jpg)
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: driftdiver on December 18, 2017, 12:04:03 am
Well we all try to make the world a better place after we leave it.

The world will be better when he's  no longer in a Senator.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on December 18, 2017, 12:15:52 am
Well we all try to make the world a better place after we leave it.

The world will be better when he's  no longer in a Senator.


(https://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/a-nation-cannot-survive-treason-from-within.jpg)
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: dfwgator on December 18, 2017, 12:19:01 am
 
(http://images.politico.com/global/2012/11/27/121127_clinton_mccain_605.jpg)
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: corbe on December 18, 2017, 12:24:56 am
   If he were to croak couldn't the Governor appoint his wife (Budweiser King in AZ) or his Daughter (Big boobed Idiot) as US Senator, like they did in Missouri a few years back?

 (https://www.mccaininstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mccain_headshot_template.jpg)(https://cdnph.upi.com/sv/b/upi/UPI-3711434449733/2015/1/1cdfbc707c73247be92898da2e90b116/Meghan-McCain-opens-up-about-TLCs-19-Kids-Pull-their-show.jpg)
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: 240B on December 18, 2017, 12:30:17 am

(http://images.politico.com/global/2012/11/27/121127_clinton_mccain_605.jpg)


She looks like she is ready
to give him a Monica.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 18, 2017, 12:32:42 am
   If he were to croak couldn't the Governor appoint his wife (Budweiser King in AZ) or his Daughter (Big boobed Idiot) as US Senator, like they did in Missouri a few years back?

 (https://www.mccaininstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mccain_headshot_template.jpg)(https://cdnph.upi.com/sv/b/upi/UPI-3711434449733/2015/1/1cdfbc707c73247be92898da2e90b116/Meghan-McCain-opens-up-about-TLCs-19-Kids-Pull-their-show.jpg)

He could name anybody he wants, as long as he/she/it is a registered Republican (because McCainiac is, supposedly).  Doug Ducey is a die-hard Trump supporter, so whoever he names it will be another Trump supporter.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on December 18, 2017, 01:47:08 am
He could name anybody he wants, as long as he/she/it is a registered Republican (because McCainiac is, supposedly).  Doug Ducey is a die-hard Trump supporter, so whoever he names it will be another Trump supporter.


We get a Two-fer?

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH01FhqMdc8#)
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 18, 2017, 01:55:43 am

We get a Two-fer?

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH01FhqMdc8#)

Depends on how you see it.  If he assumes room temperature before 12AM, January 1, then there wtill be a Republican Trump-lover replacement but only until January 2019, when the replacement from the November 2018 Election is sworn in.  If he hangs on until 2018, then the replacement will be in 2020.  Either will be a seat-warmer until 2022, which is the next cycle for that seat.

Left quite a mess to be cleaned up because he had to cling to his sinecure. I hope his balloon chested daughter can get a good ride out of this.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: RetBobbyMI on December 18, 2017, 02:02:40 am
   Karma would be that he die on the waiting list of the Arizona VA since as chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services he is partly responsible for the shoddy treatment our Veterans are receiving there.   
Means testing would probably not let him get VA treatment.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: corbe on December 18, 2017, 02:12:31 am
     Good Point @RetBobbyMI

*Walter Reed
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 18, 2017, 02:18:23 am
He's a US Senator.  McCain is getting the Best of the Best.  Count on it.  Far better than the crap you, I, and billionaires get.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: WingNot on December 18, 2017, 02:20:04 am
He's a US Senator.  McCain is getting the Best of the Best.  Count on it.  Far better than the crap you, I, and billionaires get.
If you like your Plan You can keep it.....
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 18, 2017, 02:28:06 am
If you like your Plan You can keep it.....

Ironically, the fellow who told that lie defeated the fellow presently croaking.  Huh.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on December 18, 2017, 02:31:56 am
Depends on how you see it.  If he assumes room temperature before 12AM, January 1, then there wtill be a Republican Trump-lover replacement but only until January 2019, when the replacement from the November 2018 Election is sworn in.  If he hangs on until 2018, then the replacement will be in 2020.  Either will be a seat-warmer until 2022, which is the next cycle for that seat.

Left quite a mess to be cleaned up because he had to cling to his sinecure. I hope his balloon chested daughter can get a good ride out of this.


Still beats what we're getting With John in the Senate.

If a pro-Trump Pubbie is in for however long, it's one more shot at blocking endless Dem obstruction for as long as he's there.

One more vote to confirm Constructionist Judges.

Without the Courts, Everything that is getting accomplished can be undone with Every election coming down the road.

Every 2 years.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: cato potatoe on December 18, 2017, 02:54:37 am
I wonder if Meghan will get the temporary appointment.  What a great idea!  Somebody email Gov. Ducey.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 18, 2017, 03:11:54 am

Still beats what we're getting With John in the Senate.

If a pro-Trump Pubbie is in for however long, it's one more shot at blocking endless Dem obstruction for as long as he's there.

One more vote to confirm Constructionist Judges.

Without the Courts, Everything that is getting accomplished can be undone with Every election coming down the road.

Every 2 years.

If he's still in the Senate, and isn't there to vote "Aye," then it's a "Nay,"  which isn't all that different  from what we usually get out of ol' John.  We don't get a vote to support Trump's policies until McCain croaks, whatever comes after.

Ducey had better have the replacement ready to go.  Decorum forbids any discussion on who that is at this point.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: debrawiest on December 18, 2017, 03:15:25 am
He's a US Senator.  McCain is getting the Best of the Best.  Count on it.  Far better than the crap you, I, and billionaires get.

In this case, it will make no difference how great his healthcare plan is.  Unless there has been huge leaps in the treatment of this particular cancer, there’s literally nothing doctors can do.  It’s not curable and it’s very aggressive. And he’s 81 years old. My brother was half that age, very strong, very stubborn, had a wonderful doctor and it took him in less than 2 years.
It’s time for McCain to resign, go home, make peace with his family and his Maker.
Title: Re: McCain returns to Arizona, won't vote on GOP tax bill: report
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 18, 2017, 03:19:00 am
In this case, it will make no difference how great his healthcare plan is.  Unless there has been huge leaps in the treatment of this particular cancer, there’s literally nothing doctors can do.  It’s not curable and it’s very aggressive. And he’s 81 years old. My brother was half that age, very strong, very stubborn, had a wonderful doctor and it took him in less than 2 years.
It’s time for McCain to resign, go home, make peace with his family and his Maker.

All true.  It is becoming apparent he has no interest in making peace with any of those folks.