December 9, 2019
Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
By Thomas Lifson
Is the ghost of John McCain haunting Senator Lindsey Graham? The South Carolina Senator went on Maria Bartiromo’s Fox News show, Sunday Morning Futures, to throw a wet blanket on conservatives’ dreams of a Senate trial that would get to the bottom of the plot against President Trump. He wants to leave all those rocks in place, turning nothing over to see what crawls out. Instead, once the House managers present their case, he wants a quick vote, presumably ending in dismissal of the case.
In particular, Graham ruled out calling Adam Schiff to testify.
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It sure seems that ole Lindsey has something to hide.
@libertybele
meaning what?
In particular, Graham ruled out calling Adam Schiff to testify.
It sure seems that ole Lindsey has something to hide.
Graham is right - get this farce over with quickly, with a motion to dismiss at as early a stage as possible.
Graham would be doing the nation a great disservice if he refused to take some kind of action to discourage the left from continuing down the tactical and strategic road they've chosen here. They are rapidly undermining the very bedrock our republic is built upon and will succeed unless their wrongdoing is relentlessly prosecuted.
Simply ending the farce painlessly is probably exactly what they are hoping for at this point.
Dang right. Hold the vote, and hold every democratic "convict" vote accountable.
Graham is right - get this farce over with quickly, with a motion to dismiss at as early a stage as possible.
There are hours and hours of TV video to go through, for their campaign soundbites and ads.
The white elephant that dims aren't thinking out is how the pissed off daytime TV junkies will react when all this shit starts preempting Ellen, The View, Ophra, etc. Care to guess which demographic that might be?
The white elephant that dims aren't thinking out is how the pissed off daytime TV junkies will react when all this shit starts preempting Ellen, The View, Ophra, etc. Care to guess which demographic that might be?
I saw the full interview yesterday morning, and Graham is basically trying to tamp down our expectations.
You mean having Schiff drawn and quartered on a Treason conviction is too much to ask?
Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
“Here’s what I would tell Adam Schiff,†Graham said. “Do you really want to start calling other members, Republican members of Congress in oversight? Do you want me to call you to the Senate as part of Senate oversight?â€
The big picture: Graham also declared that he will seek a quick end to the impeachment trial, regardless of whether President Trump wants to call more people to testify.
“When 51 of us say we’ve heard enough, the trial is going to end,†Graham said. “The president’s going to be acquitted. He may want to call Schiff, he may want to call Hunter Biden, he may want to call Joe Biden. But here’s my advice to the president: If the Senate is ready to vote and ready to acquit you, you should celebrate that.â€
https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2019/12/lindsey-graham-says-wont-call-adam-schiff-witness-senate-trial/
And deny Trump all of that material for his rallies?
All that does is strengthen the Rats.
The Rats will say that the Pubs couldn't defend Trump from the "facts" and so they dismissed the case. Instead, the Pubs have to drag the Rats through the mud that they have been throwing. The Pubs need to drag in the Cirramelli, Schiff's staffers, Schiff, Nadler, the Biden's and if possible bring in the prosecutor who was terminated after he started investigating Burisma.
All that does is strengthen the Rats.
The Rats will say that the Pubs couldn't defend Trump from the "facts" and so they dismissed the case. Instead, the Pubs have to drag the Rats through the mud that they have been throwing. The Pubs need to drag in the Cirramelli, Schiff's staffers, Schiff, Nadler, the Biden's and if possible bring in the prosecutor who was terminated after he started investigating Burisma.
I was pretty pissed to hear Graham say if he can get 51 votes to dismiss and avoid a trial, he'd do it. That's lawyer-think, not politics-think. News for Graham: This isn't a defendant you are trying to get off without jail time, it's the President of the US being the subject of a lawless witch hunt.
This is a political trial, and needs a political solution.
:amen:
I was pretty pissed to hear Graham say if he can get 51 votes to dismiss and avoid a trial, he'd do it. That's lawyer-think, not politics-think. News for Graham: This isn't a defendant you are trying to get off without jail time, it's the President of the US being the subject of a lawless witch hunt.
This is a political trial, and needs a political solution.
@Cyber Liberty @libertybele
I may be wrong,but *I* think Lady Lindsey's goal is to do what he can to hinder Trump's election chances,without coming right out and challenging him. What she wants is for Trump to emerge from this so "damaged" he can't win,leaving Lady Lindsey in the black birds seat to accept the nomination.
Of all the things he is or might be,dumb ain't one of them.
If there's to be a trial in the Senate, the very first "witness" called should be Eric Ciaramella, brought in by armed guards if need be.
I want to see him take the 5th in front of the Senate, and then slink away.
And after that, Schiffy, too.
In fact if the Pubs don't back Trump 100% I wouldn't count on them ever getting back into the majority.
I was pretty pissed to hear Graham say if he can get 51 votes to dismiss and avoid a trial, he'd do it. That's lawyer-think, not politics-think. News for Graham: This isn't a defendant you are trying to get off without jail time, it's the President of the US being the subject of a lawless witch hunt.
This is a political trial, and needs a political solution.
Be careful what you wish for.
I was pretty pissed to hear Graham say if he can get 51 votes to dismiss and avoid a trial, he'd do it. That's lawyer-think, not politics-think.
I always assumed that Lady Lindsey never had a clue to begin with @sneakypete and I'm sticking with that because your crackpot theory lends him to much intelligence to be plausible. :beer:
I'm fine with just Giuliani, Mulvany, and Bolton testifying.
I always assumed that Lady Lindsey never had a clue to begin with @sneakypete and I'm sticking with that because your crackpot theory lends him to much intelligence to be plausible. :beer:
I am too....except for the President's personal Attorney. That's out of line.My apologies for suggesting it.
My apologies for suggesting it.
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/ted-cruz-wants-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-judiciary-committee/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/ted-cruz-wants-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-judiciary-committee/)
Ted Cruz wants Rudy Giuliani, the president's personal attorney, to testify before judiciary committee
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/lindsey-graham-invites-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-038995 (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/lindsey-graham-invites-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-038995)
Lindsey Graham invites Giuliani to testify before Senate Judiciary panel
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/07/trump-giuliani-ukraine-trip-077725 (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/07/trump-giuliani-ukraine-trip-077725)
Trump: Giuliani 'wants to go before Congress' about Ukraine trip
I don't care what the Pols think, they are in it for themselves.I mostly agree with that point.
If there's to be a trial in the Senate, the very first "witness" called should be Eric Ciaramella, brought in by armed guards if need be.
I want to see him take the 5th in front of the Senate, and then slink away.
And after that, Schiffy, too.
No, Shiffy and then Trump.
No, Shiffy and then Trump.
No, Shiffy and then Trump.
Why shouldn't Trump have the same rights as any other defendant?
The entire process until now has been a sham. The defendant has had no due process. In the Senate it's time to re-establish the rights individuals are supposed to enjoy in this country. A defendant should be able to face his accuser. A defendant should be able to put on a defense that includes calling witnesses, who have to testify under oath.
If the Senate doesn't move for an immediate dismissal I'm looking to see Cirramelli, Schiff's staff, Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler, Bidens, and hopefully the fired Ukranian prosecutor all tesitifying. If the Rats want to bring in Mulvaney, Bolton, or any others so be it. The truth is withholding aid until certain conditions are met is not a crime.
Nothing will happen anyway as a motion to dismiss will be first order of business
@Cyber Liberty @libertybele
I may be wrong,but *I* think Lady Lindsey's goal is to do what he can to hinder Trump's election chances,without coming right out and challenging him. What she wants is for Trump to emerge from this so "damaged" he can't win,leaving Lady Lindsey in the black birds seat to accept the nomination.
Of all the things he is or might be,dumb ain't one of them.
Why shouldn't Trump have the same rights as any other defendant?
The entire process until now has been a sham. The defendant has had no due process. In the Senate it's time to re-establish the rights individuals are supposed to enjoy in this country. A defendant should be able to face his accuser. A defendant should be able to put on a defense that includes calling witnesses, who have to testify under oath.
If the Senate doesn't move for an immediate dismissal I'm looking to see Cirramelli, Schiff's staff, Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler, Bidens, and hopefully the fired Ukranian prosecutor all tesitifying. If the Rats want to bring in Mulvaney, Bolton, or any others so be it. The truth is withholding aid until certain conditions are met is not a crime.
The Rats say Trump is "below the law."
@Cyber Liberty
It takes an special kind of "Stoopid" to make Trump look like a defenseless victim and gain public sympathy,but damned if the Dims didn't pull it off!
BTW,I may have just discovered a new tag line.
Graham would be doing the nation a great disservice if he refused to take some kind of action to discourage the left from continuing down the tactical and strategic road they've chosen here. They are rapidly undermining the very bedrock our republic is built upon and will succeed unless their wrongdoing is relentlessly prosecuted.
Simply ending the farce painlessly is probably exactly what they are hoping for at this point.
@Chosen Daughter
Is "His feet stink and he doan luv Jesus causen he dun cheat-ed on his wafe!" grounds for impeachment?
Enquiring minds,and all dat.
Why shouldn't Trump have the same rights as any other defendant?He will when he goes on trial in the Senate. If that doesn't happen ask the GOP majority in the Senate.
He's also a liar and a thief.
Nothing will happen anyway as a motion to dismiss will be first order of businessI want you to get good and angry when the GOP majority in the Senate doesn't do that.
@Once-Ler
How do you know? Is he related to you?
@sneakypete Go back far enough and we all are related cuz'
The goal is preserving the presidency of Donald J. Trump. Dismissing charges against him born of partisan, unsubstantiated charges not only accomplishes the number one objective and plays nicely in the 2020 campaign, dismissal also greases the skids for Mr. Durham.
He should. However, he disrupted the DC 'country club' and there are those within his own party that want him gone. That is exactly what this impeachment is all about. So far, IMHO Trump has remained one step ahead of them, whether or not that will continue, is yet to be seen.
Any defense attorney worth his or her weight in salt will take a Summary Judgment to Dismiss over a trial.
Trials are notorious for not going according to plan @skeeter And the wildcard in any trial is not only the jury, but the judge as well. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm not enthusiastic about putting the fate of the POTUS and his legal team in the hands of John Roberts. Roberts will be the ultimate decider if there is a debate over a witness, including Schiff, the WB and anyone currently excluded based on executive privilege, including the President's personal attorney.
I know and understand what you'd like to see happen. But the chances of this happening at trial are slim to none. Roberts won't allow this to go off script ....at his core he is a company man.
Durham will take care of the coup plotters; and after a dismissal of charges, I'm adding Schiff, his staff and the "whistleblower" to this list.
The goal is preserving the presidency of Donald J. Trump. Dismissing charges against him born of partisan, unsubstantiated charges not only accomplishes the number one objective and plays nicely in the 2020 campaign, dismissal also greases the skids for Mr. Durham.
Just so long as Trump ends up convicted, that's all that matters, right? Then why bother with Schifty? Just get that bad orange man under oath, and we'll get 'im now.
I don't think there will be a trial, and that will help your purpose of replacing Trump in 2020, with a Democrat.
Trump wants to testify they should let him. Are you worried that he cannot present himself in a professional manner? Yeah, I didn't think so either. I have said before that I didn't know if this is impeachable. The reason for Schiff is because I don't believe him either. This is a knock down drag out fight. It isn't fitting for the U.S. government. It costs the tax payer big time for Republicans and Democrats to duke it out.
No surprise I don't like Trump. I don't. I think he will be the nail in the coffin of the Constitution. Likewise the Democrats are doing their best also to destroy the Constitution. Both of them because I think the country deserves to see what our government has become. Self serving clown show.
And just like Trump went to the Ukraine to get political dirt and used it for politics the Dems are doing the same. Using politics to gain power. There isn't anything but half truths to any of it. Its just two sides battling for power. At the expense of the tax payer. And while we are entertaining clowns nobody is paying attention to what the Trump family is doing.
Well, it shows that you don't really get me, and that's Ok. I don't fear Trump testifying, it's just a pointless effort to try for sound bites. BFD.
I don't want Trump testifying; First, it diminshes the Executive; Second, It's too easy for a skillful litigator to trip up an honest witness who wants to be helpful. Any defense attorney will tell you the first thing they tell a defendant is don't say anything.Right there. :amen:
Well, it shows that you don't really get me, and that's Ok. I don't fear Trump testifying, it's just a pointless effort to try for sound bites. BFD.