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Title: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: mystery-ak on December 09, 2019, 01:48:35 pm
December 9, 2019
Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
By Thomas Lifson

Is the ghost of John McCain haunting Senator Lindsey Graham? The South Carolina Senator went on Maria Bartiromo’s Fox News show, Sunday Morning Futures, to throw a wet blanket on conservatives’ dreams of a Senate trial that would get to the bottom of the plot against President Trump. He wants to leave all those rocks in place, turning nothing over to see what crawls out. Instead, once the House managers present their case, he wants a quick vote, presumably ending in dismissal of the case.

In particular, Graham ruled out calling Adam Schiff to testify.

more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/lindsey_graham_does_not_want_schiff_or_other_congressmen_to_testify_at_senate_impeachment_trial.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/lindsey_graham_does_not_want_schiff_or_other_congressmen_to_testify_at_senate_impeachment_trial.html)
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: libertybele on December 09, 2019, 01:57:20 pm
December 9, 2019
Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
By Thomas Lifson

Is the ghost of John McCain haunting Senator Lindsey Graham? The South Carolina Senator went on Maria Bartiromo’s Fox News show, Sunday Morning Futures, to throw a wet blanket on conservatives’ dreams of a Senate trial that would get to the bottom of the plot against President Trump. He wants to leave all those rocks in place, turning nothing over to see what crawls out. Instead, once the House managers present their case, he wants a quick vote, presumably ending in dismissal of the case.

In particular, Graham ruled out calling Adam Schiff to testify.

more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/lindsey_graham_does_not_want_schiff_or_other_congressmen_to_testify_at_senate_impeachment_trial.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/lindsey_graham_does_not_want_schiff_or_other_congressmen_to_testify_at_senate_impeachment_trial.html)

It sure seems that ole Lindsey has something to hide.   
Title: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: Chosen Daughter on December 09, 2019, 02:25:43 pm
Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial


“Here’s what I would tell Adam Schiff,” Graham said. “Do you really want to start calling other members, Republican members of Congress in oversight? Do you want me to call you to the Senate as part of Senate oversight?”

The big picture: Graham also declared that he will seek a quick end to the impeachment trial, regardless of whether President Trump wants to call more people to testify.

“When 51 of us say we’ve heard enough, the trial is going to end,” Graham said. “The president’s going to be acquitted. He may want to call Schiff, he may want to call Hunter Biden, he may want to call Joe Biden. But here’s my advice to the president: If the Senate is ready to vote and ready to acquit you, you should celebrate that.”

https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2019/12/lindsey-graham-says-wont-call-adam-schiff-witness-senate-trial/

And deny Trump all of that material for his rallies? 
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 09, 2019, 07:13:19 pm
Ahhhh,the "real"   Lady Lindsey is back!
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: truth_seeker on December 09, 2019, 08:00:43 pm
It sure seems that ole Lindsey has something to hide.

@libertybele 

meaning what?
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 09, 2019, 08:03:24 pm
@libertybele 

meaning what?

@truth-seeker

Meaning she is normally joined at the hip with the Dim leadership so they can cut deals that favor each other,and only appears to be a conservative when there is an election coming up.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: catfish1957 on December 09, 2019, 08:03:41 pm


In particular, Graham ruled out calling Adam Schiff to testify.



The only honorable reason I think Linzy would avoid this spectacle, is that he wants to avoid having to prosecute a sitting HR member for a treasonous coup.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: skeeter on December 09, 2019, 08:06:38 pm
It sure seems that ole Lindsey has something to hide.

He wants to preserve the really good gig he and his friends have there in the US congress.

4.4 trillion and no questions asked. Whats not to love?
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Jazzhead on December 09, 2019, 08:11:48 pm
Graham is right -  get this farce over with quickly,  with a motion to dismiss at as early a stage as possible.   
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: skeeter on December 09, 2019, 08:17:34 pm
Graham is right -  get this farce over with quickly,  with a motion to dismiss at as early a stage as possible.

Graham would be doing the nation a great disservice if he refused to take some kind of action to discourage the left from continuing down the tactical and strategic road they've chosen here. They are rapidly undermining the very bedrock our republic is built upon and will succeed unless their wrongdoing is relentlessly prosecuted.

Simply ending the farce painlessly is probably exactly what they are hoping for at this point.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: catfish1957 on December 09, 2019, 08:22:01 pm
Graham would be doing the nation a great disservice if he refused to take some kind of action to discourage the left from continuing down the tactical and strategic road they've chosen here. They are rapidly undermining the very bedrock our republic is built upon and will succeed unless their wrongdoing is relentlessly prosecuted.

Simply ending the farce painlessly is probably exactly what they are hoping for at this point.

Dang right.  Hold the vote, and hold every democratic "convict" vote accountable.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: skeeter on December 09, 2019, 08:24:58 pm
Dang right.  Hold the vote, and hold every democratic "convict" vote accountable.

If the rats have failed to dent POTUS' approval at this point going on the attack in the senate can only make he and the GOP look good.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: truth_seeker on December 09, 2019, 08:33:54 pm
Graham is right -  get this farce over with quickly,  with a motion to dismiss at as early a stage as possible.

The dems will say there was not proper consideration, hearings, testimony, witnesses, etc.

But they won't be happy with anything short of round the cllock televised hearings, etc.

Graham, McConnell, Trump SHOULD want it over, in order to take up IG, Barr, Durham, election business.

There are hours and hours of TV video to go through, for their campaign soundbites and ads.

Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: catfish1957 on December 09, 2019, 08:38:27 pm



There are hours and hours of TV video to go through, for their campaign soundbites and ads.

The white elephant that dims aren't thinking out  is how the pissed off daytime TV junkies will react when all this shit starts preempting Ellen, The View, Ophra, etc.  Care to guess which demographic that might be?
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: truth_seeker on December 09, 2019, 08:40:13 pm
The white elephant that dims aren't thinking out  is how the pissed off daytime TV junkies will react when all this shit starts preempting Ellen, The View, Ophra, etc.  Care to guess which demographic that might be?

Agreed. There have been  no bombshells, but hourse of political lawyers blabbing their boring shite.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 09, 2019, 08:44:47 pm
The white elephant that dims aren't thinking out  is how the pissed off daytime TV junkies will react when all this shit starts preempting Ellen, The View, Ophra, etc.  Care to guess which demographic that might be?

@catfish1957

Not to mention the daytime soap operas. When you talk about fans of shows like "As Your Stomach Turns",you ain't talking about casual fans that try to catch a show when they can.  You are talking about people who have been watching that one show for generations. They call their mothers and daughters on the phone in the evenings to talk about what happened.

It would take a braver man than me to get between these women and their soaps!

Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 09, 2019, 08:46:29 pm
I saw the full interview yesterday morning, and Graham is basically trying to tamp down our expectations.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: catfish1957 on December 09, 2019, 08:48:36 pm
I saw the full interview yesterday morning, and Graham is basically trying to tamp down our expectations.

You mean having Schiff drawn and quartered on a Treason conviction is too much to ask?
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 09, 2019, 10:13:16 pm
You mean having Schiff drawn and quartered on a Treason conviction is too much to ask?

Inconveniencing Schitt is too much to ask, it seems.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: bilo on December 10, 2019, 12:03:53 am
Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial


“Here’s what I would tell Adam Schiff,” Graham said. “Do you really want to start calling other members, Republican members of Congress in oversight? Do you want me to call you to the Senate as part of Senate oversight?”

The big picture: Graham also declared that he will seek a quick end to the impeachment trial, regardless of whether President Trump wants to call more people to testify.

“When 51 of us say we’ve heard enough, the trial is going to end,” Graham said. “The president’s going to be acquitted. He may want to call Schiff, he may want to call Hunter Biden, he may want to call Joe Biden. But here’s my advice to the president: If the Senate is ready to vote and ready to acquit you, you should celebrate that.”

https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2019/12/lindsey-graham-says-wont-call-adam-schiff-witness-senate-trial/

And deny Trump all of that material for his rallies?

All that does is strengthen the Rats.

The Rats will say that the Pubs couldn't defend Trump from the "facts" and so they dismissed the case. Instead, the Pubs have to drag the Rats through the mud that they have been throwing. The Pubs need to drag in the Cirramelli, Schiff's staffers, Schiff, Nadler, the Biden's and if possible bring in the prosecutor who was terminated after he started investigating Burisma.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 10, 2019, 12:24:08 am
All that does is strengthen the Rats.

The Rats will say that the Pubs couldn't defend Trump from the "facts" and so they dismissed the case. Instead, the Pubs have to drag the Rats through the mud that they have been throwing. The Pubs need to drag in the Cirramelli, Schiff's staffers, Schiff, Nadler, the Biden's and if possible bring in the prosecutor who was terminated after he started investigating Burisma.

I was pretty pissed to hear Graham say if he can get 51 votes to dismiss and avoid a trial, he'd do it.  That's lawyer-think, not politics-think.  News for Graham:  This isn't a defendant you are trying to get off without jail time, it's the President of the US being the subject of a lawless witch hunt. 

This is a political trial, and needs a political solution.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 10, 2019, 12:26:17 am
All that does is strengthen the Rats.

The Rats will say that the Pubs couldn't defend Trump from the "facts" and so they dismissed the case. Instead, the Pubs have to drag the Rats through the mud that they have been throwing. The Pubs need to drag in the Cirramelli, Schiff's staffers, Schiff, Nadler, the Biden's and if possible bring in the prosecutor who was terminated after he started investigating Burisma.

@bilo

Well,Teddy DOES keep making "I wanna be president!" noises. IMHO,he is trying to walk that fine line between supporting Trump one instant,and then the next trying to stick a knife in his back.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: libertybele on December 10, 2019, 12:33:40 am
I was pretty pissed to hear Graham say if he can get 51 votes to dismiss and avoid a trial, he'd do it.  That's lawyer-think, not politics-think.  News for Graham: This isn't a defendant you are trying to get off without jail time, it's the President of the US being the subject of a lawless witch hunt. 

This is a political trial, and needs a political solution.

 :amen:
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 10, 2019, 12:37:33 am
:amen:

@Cyber Liberty   @libertybele

I may be wrong,but *I* think Lady Lindsey's goal is to do what he can to hinder Trump's election chances,without coming right out and challenging him. What she wants is for Trump to emerge from this so "damaged" he can't win,leaving Lady Lindsey in the black birds seat to accept the nomination.

Of all the things he is or might be,dumb ain't one of them.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Fishrrman on December 10, 2019, 12:42:18 am
If there's to be a trial in the Senate, the very first "witness" called should be Eric Ciaramella, brought in by armed guards if need be.

I want to see him take the 5th in front of the Senate, and then slink away.

And after that, Schiffy, too.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: bilo on December 10, 2019, 01:05:38 am
I was pretty pissed to hear Graham say if he can get 51 votes to dismiss and avoid a trial, he'd do it.  That's lawyer-think, not politics-think.  News for Graham:  This isn't a defendant you are trying to get off without jail time, it's the President of the US being the subject of a lawless witch hunt. 

This is a political trial, and needs a political solution.

I'm with you 100%

One thing I hadn't thought about until now is does Trump have any exposure to similar charges. I know his sons stopped doing any international deals and are currently fulfilling pre-existing contracts. However, what about Ivanka and her Chinese patents? I think she put her company into a blind trust, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: bilo on December 10, 2019, 01:10:53 am
@Cyber Liberty   @libertybele

I may be wrong,but *I* think Lady Lindsey's goal is to do what he can to hinder Trump's election chances,without coming right out and challenging him. What she wants is for Trump to emerge from this so "damaged" he can't win,leaving Lady Lindsey in the black birds seat to accept the nomination.

Of all the things he is or might be,dumb ain't one of them.

I don't doubt the potential for double dealing, but I think he's smart enough to know he could never win without the "deplorables". I just don't see how he would get the "deplorables" support. In fact if the Pubs don't back Trump 100% I wouldn't count on them ever getting back into the majority.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: bilo on December 10, 2019, 01:12:43 am
If there's to be a trial in the Senate, the very first "witness" called should be Eric Ciaramella, brought in by armed guards if need be.

I want to see him take the 5th in front of the Senate, and then slink away.

And after that, Schiffy, too.

After which the DOJ starts investigating them.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 10, 2019, 01:42:48 am

In fact if the Pubs don't back Trump 100% I wouldn't count on them ever getting back into the majority.

@bilo

I sure can't argue with that. Can barely stand the bastards right now.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: corbe on December 10, 2019, 01:53:16 am
   TTIUWP

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_m-QaZbbCdM/VC783UwwZAI/AAAAAAAA2XY/L3o5vokyEYM/s1600/Lin.jpeg)
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: Jazzhead on December 10, 2019, 07:32:39 pm
I was pretty pissed to hear Graham say if he can get 51 votes to dismiss and avoid a trial, he'd do it.  That's lawyer-think, not politics-think.  News for Graham:  This isn't a defendant you are trying to get off without jail time, it's the President of the US being the subject of a lawless witch hunt. 

This is a political trial, and needs a political solution.

Be careful what you wish for. 
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 10, 2019, 07:36:54 pm
Be careful what you wish for.

I am firmly convinced that the GOPe will do what is best for them.  They don't care if Trump gets to plead his case, which he was prevented from doing in the House, or not.  If the Senate simply dismisses the case without hearings, then the Rats will have gotten away with tarring the President with nothing but two bullshit Articles.  The Press will toot this horn all the way to the Election.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 10, 2019, 11:25:26 pm
I was pretty pissed to hear Graham say if he can get 51 votes to dismiss and avoid a trial, he'd do it.  That's lawyer-think, not politics-think.   

@Cyber Liberty

I disagree. IMNSHO,the exact opposite is true. Lady Lindsey is playing politics by playing nice with the Dims so they will be grateful and support her/it as an alternative to Trump.

Graham wants it BAD,and his only chance is to have both RINO and Dim support to dump Trump and leave an opening he can slither into.

Baby John can't be trusted.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: corbe on December 11, 2019, 12:17:12 am
   I always assumed that Lady Lindsey never had a clue to begin with @sneakypete and I'm sticking with that because your crackpot theory lends him to much intelligence to be plausible.   :beer:
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 11, 2019, 12:19:29 am
   I always assumed that Lady Lindsey never had a clue to begin with @sneakypete and I'm sticking with that because your crackpot theory lends him to much intelligence to be plausible.   :beer:

Lindsey wakes up every day asking "WWJD?"  What Would John Do?
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on December 11, 2019, 12:27:11 am
I'm fine with just Giuliani, Mulvany, and Bolton testifying.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 11, 2019, 12:30:55 am
I'm fine with just Giuliani, Mulvany, and Bolton testifying.

I am too....except for the President's personal Attorney.  That's out of line.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 11, 2019, 12:31:43 am
   I always assumed that Lady Lindsey never had a clue to begin with @sneakypete and I'm sticking with that because your crackpot theory lends him to much intelligence to be plausible.   :beer:

@corbe

I actually hope you are right. I see Lindsey as a RINO wet dream come true. I can easily see the NT/AT's here rallying behind him. He would bring back their Boy Jorge/John McLunatic dreams of a Republican Party that "knows it's place". There are a LOT of those fools still wandering around loose out there,and all they need is a sheepherder to lead them around.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on December 11, 2019, 12:51:50 am
I am too....except for the President's personal Attorney.  That's out of line.
My apologies for suggesting it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/ted-cruz-wants-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-judiciary-committee/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/ted-cruz-wants-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-judiciary-committee/)
Ted Cruz wants Rudy Giuliani, the president's personal attorney, to testify before judiciary committee
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/lindsey-graham-invites-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-038995 (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/lindsey-graham-invites-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-038995)
Lindsey Graham invites Giuliani to testify before Senate Judiciary panel
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/07/trump-giuliani-ukraine-trip-077725 (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/07/trump-giuliani-ukraine-trip-077725)
Trump: Giuliani 'wants to go before Congress' about Ukraine trip
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 11, 2019, 01:56:24 am
My apologies for suggesting it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/ted-cruz-wants-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-judiciary-committee/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10/13/ted-cruz-wants-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-judiciary-committee/)
Ted Cruz wants Rudy Giuliani, the president's personal attorney, to testify before judiciary committee
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/lindsey-graham-invites-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-038995 (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/lindsey-graham-invites-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-038995)
Lindsey Graham invites Giuliani to testify before Senate Judiciary panel
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/07/trump-giuliani-ukraine-trip-077725 (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/07/trump-giuliani-ukraine-trip-077725)
Trump: Giuliani 'wants to go before Congress' about Ukraine trip

I don't care what the Pols think, they are in it for themselves. 
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on December 11, 2019, 03:17:45 am
I don't care what the Pols think, they are in it for themselves.
I mostly agree with that point.
It's a shame for President Trump that those Pols will be judging him in the Senate soon.  Did you see what they said about President Trump during the primaries?

Politicians, and even heads of state like President Trump, can only do what the people will let them.  While President Trump has the support of a large minority of voters that comprise his base, he also electrifies the opposition of the rat base. 

Both parties are motivated by their base.  The GOP Senators fear Trump voters primary them or abandon them on election day.  The rat Congressmen fear their base abandoning them if they refuse to implement their Constitutional duty.  A duty the rat base believes is irrefutably warranted.  It maybe hard to believe but the rank and file rat voter stupidly believes the rat party spin.  Their people are demanding impeachment as much as the GOP base demands complete solidarity with God's chosen emissary.  Praise Trump.

Both bases are coming out in 2020.  I don't know which one is bigger but as I've said, the polls, 2018 elections, and 2019 elections don't reflect a mighty GOP. 

It occurs to me that you fear the outcome of the 2020 election much more than I do, even though we both survived 8 years of Obama.  We'll survive 8 years of Trump or Biden, or any rat except Hitlery (pretty sure she's the anti-Christ) our economy is a reflection of the strength of our people.

What can't we face if we're together.
What's in this place that we can't weather?
There’s nothing we can’t face



...Except for bunnies.

I've been watching this show for almost 5 years now.  I think President Trump can't do what he wants because the people, voters, political figures, and even his own staff won't let him screw up too badly.  I was worried that Impeachment might make him a more sympathetic figure, but now I have no reason to believe President Trump can self-destruct with more power in 2020.  Especially since I know he will never apologize for being a crook.  Nobody will forgive a man who refuses to ask for it.

I'm sorry we are not watching the same show @Cyber Liberty I'm sure the movie you see in your media makes President Trump out to be thoughtful, diligent, wise, deliberative, and altruistic man. I say this because I see these qualities in you, so I assume they are traits you would be attracted to in your leaders.

I don't see that man in Trump.

Thank you for your response
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Chosen Daughter on December 11, 2019, 05:28:38 am
If there's to be a trial in the Senate, the very first "witness" called should be Eric Ciaramella, brought in by armed guards if need be.

I want to see him take the 5th in front of the Senate, and then slink away.

And after that, Schiffy, too.

No, Shiffy and then Trump.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 11, 2019, 03:02:59 pm
No, Shiffy and then Trump.

Just so long as Trump ends up convicted, that's all that matters, right?  Then why bother with Schifty?  Just get that bad orange man under oath, and we'll get 'im now.

I don't think there will be a trial, and that will help your purpose of replacing Trump in 2020, with a Democrat. 
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 11, 2019, 04:11:30 pm
No, Shiffy and then Trump.

@Chosen Daughter

Is "His feet stink and he doan luv Jesus causen he dun cheat-ed on his wafe!" grounds for impeachment?

Enquiring minds,and all dat.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: bilo on December 11, 2019, 04:23:22 pm
No, Shiffy and then Trump.

Why shouldn't Trump have the same rights as any other defendant?

The entire process until now has been a sham. The defendant has had no due process. In the Senate it's time to re-establish the rights individuals are supposed to enjoy in this country. A defendant should be able to face his accuser. A defendant should be able to put on a defense that includes calling witnesses, who have to testify under oath.

If the Senate doesn't move for an immediate dismissal I'm looking to see Cirramelli, Schiff's staff, Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler, Bidens, and hopefully the fired Ukranian prosecutor all tesitifying. If the Rats want to bring in Mulvaney, Bolton, or any others so be it. The truth is withholding aid until certain conditions are met is not a crime.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 11, 2019, 04:52:09 pm
Why shouldn't Trump have the same rights as any other defendant?

The entire process until now has been a sham. The defendant has had no due process. In the Senate it's time to re-establish the rights individuals are supposed to enjoy in this country. A defendant should be able to face his accuser. A defendant should be able to put on a defense that includes calling witnesses, who have to testify under oath.

If the Senate doesn't move for an immediate dismissal I'm looking to see Cirramelli, Schiff's staff, Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler, Bidens, and hopefully the fired Ukranian prosecutor all tesitifying. If the Rats want to bring in Mulvaney, Bolton, or any others so be it. The truth is withholding aid until certain conditions are met is not a crime.

@bilo

May everything you wrote come true!
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Jazzhead on December 11, 2019, 05:33:40 pm
Keep in mind that the Senate still needs to agree on the procedures for the impeachment trial, including the calling of witnesses.   At best, if the GOP is able to call Ciaramella and Hunter Biden,  the Dems will be able to call Bolden, Mulvaney and Pompeo.   

Folks should be careful for what they wish for.   If 50 Senators agree that the impeachment is partisan and without foundation based on the "evidence" culled by the House,  then call for a motion to dismiss and let's get on with our lives.  Besides, the Durham report is coming . . .       
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: RetBobbyMI on December 11, 2019, 05:47:04 pm
Nothing will happen anyway as a motion to dismiss will be first order of business
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: bilo on December 11, 2019, 10:52:01 pm
Nothing will happen anyway as a motion to dismiss will be first order of business

Odds are you're right.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham says he won’t call Adam Schiff as witness in Senate trial
Post by: libertybele on December 12, 2019, 12:31:05 am
@Cyber Liberty   @libertybele

I may be wrong,but *I* think Lady Lindsey's goal is to do what he can to hinder Trump's election chances,without coming right out and challenging him. What she wants is for Trump to emerge from this so "damaged" he can't win,leaving Lady Lindsey in the black birds seat to accept the nomination.

Of all the things he is or might be,dumb ain't one of them.

Well, that may be, but my hunch is Lindsey had his hand in the cookie jar and doesn't want to get caught.  He gets things over and done with quickly in the Senate and no more worries for him. 

I think that perhaps the 'Turtle' may be feeling a little uncomfortable as well.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: libertybele on December 12, 2019, 12:35:44 am
Why shouldn't Trump have the same rights as any other defendant?

The entire process until now has been a sham. The defendant has had no due process. In the Senate it's time to re-establish the rights individuals are supposed to enjoy in this country. A defendant should be able to face his accuser. A defendant should be able to put on a defense that includes calling witnesses, who have to testify under oath.

If the Senate doesn't move for an immediate dismissal I'm looking to see Cirramelli, Schiff's staff, Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler, Bidens, and hopefully the fired Ukranian prosecutor all tesitifying. If the Rats want to bring in Mulvaney, Bolton, or any others so be it. The truth is withholding aid until certain conditions are met is not a crime.

He should.  However, he disrupted the DC 'country club' and there are those within his own party that want him gone.  That is exactly what this impeachment is all about.  So far, IMHO Trump has remained one step ahead of them, whether or not that will continue, is yet to be seen.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 12, 2019, 01:36:43 am
The Rats say Trump is "below the law." 
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 12, 2019, 02:16:48 am
The Rats say Trump is "below the law."

@Cyber Liberty

It takes an special kind of "Stoopid" to make Trump look like a defenseless victim and gain public sympathy,but damned if the Dims didn't pull it off!

BTW,I may have just discovered a new tag line.

Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 12, 2019, 02:37:45 am
@Cyber Liberty

It takes an special kind of "Stoopid" to make Trump look like a defenseless victim and gain public sympathy,but damned if the Dims didn't pull it off!

BTW,I may have just discovered a new tag line.

 888high58888
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on December 12, 2019, 02:52:38 am
Graham would be doing the nation a great disservice if he refused to take some kind of action to discourage the left from continuing down the tactical and strategic road they've chosen here. They are rapidly undermining the very bedrock our republic is built upon and will succeed unless their wrongdoing is relentlessly prosecuted.

Simply ending the farce painlessly is probably exactly what they are hoping for at this point.

Any defense attorney worth his or her weight in salt will take a Summary Judgment to Dismiss over a trial.

Trials are notorious for not going according to plan @skeeter  And the wildcard in any trial is not only the jury, but the judge as well.  I've said it before and I'll say it again:  I'm not enthusiastic about putting the fate of the POTUS and his legal team in the hands of John Roberts.  Roberts will be the ultimate decider if there is a debate over a witness, including Schiff, the WB and anyone currently excluded based on executive privilege, including the President's personal attorney.

I know and understand what you'd like to see happen.  But the chances of this happening at trial are slim to none. Roberts won't allow this to go off script ....at his core he is a company man.

Durham will take care of the coup plotters; and after a dismissal of charges, I'm adding Schiff, his staff and the "whistleblower" to this list.

The goal is preserving the presidency of Donald J. Trump.   Dismissing charges against him born of partisan, unsubstantiated charges not only accomplishes the number one objective and plays nicely in the 2020 campaign, dismissal also greases the skids for Mr. Durham.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on December 12, 2019, 03:06:04 am
@Chosen Daughter

Is "His feet stink and he doan luv Jesus causen he dun cheat-ed on his wafe!" grounds for impeachment?

Enquiring minds,and all dat.

He's also a liar and a thief.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on December 12, 2019, 03:07:34 am
Why shouldn't Trump have the same rights as any other defendant?
He will when he goes on trial in the Senate.  If that doesn't happen ask the GOP majority in the Senate.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 12, 2019, 03:08:06 am
He's also a liar and a thief.

@Once-Ler

How do you know? Is he related to you?
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on December 12, 2019, 03:09:59 am
Nothing will happen anyway as a motion to dismiss will be first order of business
I want you to get good and angry when the GOP majority in the Senate doesn't do that. 
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on December 12, 2019, 03:11:22 am
@Once-Ler

How do you know? Is he related to you?

@sneakypete Go back far enough and we all are related cuz'
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: sneakypete on December 12, 2019, 03:40:18 am
@sneakypete Go back far enough and we all are related cuz'

@Once-Ler

YIKES! No need to get nasty!
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Jazzhead on December 12, 2019, 01:33:39 pm

The goal is preserving the presidency of Donald J. Trump.   Dismissing charges against him born of partisan, unsubstantiated charges not only accomplishes the number one objective and plays nicely in the 2020 campaign, dismissal also greases the skids for Mr. Durham.

Correct, @Right_in_Virginia !  The Dems in whittling down the impeachment articles to exclude bribery and extortion have greased the skids for a motion to dismiss,  since the remaining articles (abuse of power and obstruction of justice) are so obviously amorphous and partisan.   Partisan charges deserve a swift and partisan response -  case dismissed. 

It is Mr. Durham's investigation that may expose the Dems' duplicity and mendacity.   Treating impeachment for the farce that it is will help focus the public on the very real corruption aimed at overturning a lawful election.    Besides,  the Dems removed the bribery and extortion articles for reason - after all their focus group testing, they discovered that expanding those words to ensnare what the President did will leave fully exposed one Joe Biden,  who bragged about his shakedown of the Ukrainians.   

There is no good in dignifying the House Dems by taking their fevered obsession seriously.   I hope the GOP Senate poobahs will remember their instincts as lawyers and rally support to quickly and efficiently take out this stinking trash.     
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: bilo on December 12, 2019, 02:22:50 pm
He should.  However, he disrupted the DC 'country club' and there are those within his own party that want him gone.  That is exactly what this impeachment is all about.  So far, IMHO Trump has remained one step ahead of them, whether or not that will continue, is yet to be seen.

I agree.

McConnell has a problem. He has 53 Pubs and needs a simple majority to call witnesses. It seems he doesn't have the votes. IOW, the Rats will spew their lies in putting on their "case" and then the Pubs will vote to dismiss before any defense is put on. The end result is the Rats will lie that the process wasn't fair to them in the Senate and then campaign on the need for a majority in the Senate to "control the criminal" Trump.

The Pubs may lose the Senate, in part because of their unwillingness to stand up and fight the tyrants. 
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: bilo on December 12, 2019, 02:33:05 pm
Any defense attorney worth his or her weight in salt will take a Summary Judgment to Dismiss over a trial.

Trials are notorious for not going according to plan @skeeter  And the wildcard in any trial is not only the jury, but the judge as well.  I've said it before and I'll say it again:  I'm not enthusiastic about putting the fate of the POTUS and his legal team in the hands of John Roberts.  Roberts will be the ultimate decider if there is a debate over a witness, including Schiff, the WB and anyone currently excluded based on executive privilege, including the President's personal attorney.

I know and understand what you'd like to see happen.  But the chances of this happening at trial are slim to none. Roberts won't allow this to go off script ....at his core he is a company man.

Durham will take care of the coup plotters; and after a dismissal of charges, I'm adding Schiff, his staff and the "whistleblower" to this list.

The goal is preserving the presidency of Donald J. Trump.   Dismissing charges against him born of partisan, unsubstantiated charges not only accomplishes the number one objective and plays nicely in the 2020 campaign, dismissal also greases the skids for Mr. Durham.

I agree with your analysis. However, even if the Bidens aren't called as witnesses (it would require a majority vote) calling ciramelli, Schiff's staff, vindman, and Schiff should be enough to expose the sham that has been going on. The Pub majority can determine the witnesses allowed to testify. Only allowing people with first hand knowledge will reveal the truth.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Chosen Daughter on December 12, 2019, 03:29:51 pm
Just so long as Trump ends up convicted, that's all that matters, right?  Then why bother with Schifty?  Just get that bad orange man under oath, and we'll get 'im now.

I don't think there will be a trial, and that will help your purpose of replacing Trump in 2020, with a Democrat.

Trump wants to testify they should let him.  Are you worried that he cannot present himself in a professional manner?  Yeah, I didn't think so either.  I have said before that I didn't know if this is impeachable.  The reason for Schiff is because I don't believe him either.  This is a knock down drag out fight.  It isn't fitting for the U.S. government.  It costs the tax payer big time for Republicans and Democrats to duke it out.

No surprise  I don't like Trump.  I don't.  I think he will be the nail in the coffin of the Constitution.  Likewise the Democrats are doing their best also to destroy the Constitution.  Both of them because I think the country deserves to see what our government has become.  Self serving clown show.

And just like Trump went to the Ukraine to get political dirt and used it for politics the Dems are doing the same.  Using politics to gain power.  There isn't anything but half truths to any of it.  Its just two sides battling for power.  At the expense of the tax payer.  And while we are entertaining clowns nobody is paying attention to what the Trump family is doing.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 12, 2019, 06:52:53 pm
Trump wants to testify they should let him.  Are you worried that he cannot present himself in a professional manner?  Yeah, I didn't think so either.  I have said before that I didn't know if this is impeachable.  The reason for Schiff is because I don't believe him either.  This is a knock down drag out fight.  It isn't fitting for the U.S. government.  It costs the tax payer big time for Republicans and Democrats to duke it out.

No surprise  I don't like Trump.  I don't.  I think he will be the nail in the coffin of the Constitution.  Likewise the Democrats are doing their best also to destroy the Constitution.  Both of them because I think the country deserves to see what our government has become.  Self serving clown show.

And just like Trump went to the Ukraine to get political dirt and used it for politics the Dems are doing the same.  Using politics to gain power.  There isn't anything but half truths to any of it.  Its just two sides battling for power.  At the expense of the tax payer.  And while we are entertaining clowns nobody is paying attention to what the Trump family is doing.

Well, it shows that you don't really get me, and that's Ok.  I don't fear Trump testifying, it's just a pointless effort to try for sound bites.  BFD.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: bilo on December 12, 2019, 07:24:33 pm
Well, it shows that you don't really get me, and that's Ok. I don't fear Trump testifying, it's just a pointless effort to try for sound bites. BFD.

I don't want Trump testifying; First, it diminshes the Executive; Second,   It's too easy for a skillful litigator to trip up an honest witness who wants to be helpful. Any defense attorney will tell you the first thing they tell a defendant is don't say anything.
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: verga on December 12, 2019, 07:42:47 pm
I don't want Trump testifying; First, it diminshes the Executive; Second,   It's too easy for a skillful litigator to trip up an honest witness who wants to be helpful. Any defense attorney will tell you the first thing they tell a defendant is don't say anything.
Right there.  :amen:
Title: Re: Lindsey Graham does not want Schiff or other Congressmen to testify at Senate impeachment trial
Post by: berdie on December 12, 2019, 10:34:18 pm
Well, it shows that you don't really get me, and that's Ok.  I don't fear Trump testifying, it's just a pointless effort to try for sound bites.  BFD.


I agree...no matter what the man would say it will be spun into negativity by the Dems and the press.