The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Mechanicos on May 13, 2016, 12:48:52 am
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Jim Robinson, the founder of popular conservative internet discussion board Free Republic that was founded in 1997, threw his support behind Donald Trump for president on Thursday.
Free Republic was a bitter battle ground for pro-Trump and pro-Cruz supporters this year.
Jim posted this earlier today:
NeverTumperism is a losing proposition. Keep the communist bitch out by supporting Trump!
Posted on 5/12/2016, 2:53:58 PM by Jim Robinson
Your vote. Use it or lose it.
It’s not clear if he was talking about Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders in his post?
Jim Robinson also announced #NeverTrump recruiting and anti-Trump activities would no longer be tolerated at Free Republic.
Our overriding conservative mission on Free Republic is to defend God, family, country!
Posted on 5/11/2016, 3:10:59 PM by Jim Robinson
Our overriding mission on Free Republic is to preserve, protect and defend (conserve) God, family, country–and all that that entails (refer to the Declaration, Constitution, and our Judeo-Christian American heritage for details).
Our most immediate task we must undertake at this time is keep corrupt, godless, treasonous, America-hating communists like Hillary Clinton out of power.
Our very survival as a free nation depends upon it.
That means FR is going all in to defeat Hillary/Bernie, et al, by supporting our America-first nominee Donald Trump to the hilt.
Very sorry if your favorite candidate did not win the nomination and sorry if you cannot understand or agree with our mission, but those who can’t live with our immediate goal need to either keep it to themselves or sit it out (from FR) for the duration. Anti-Trump activities and NeverTrump trolling and recruiting efforts are not appreciated and are unwelcome on FR.
The time for fighting about who may be best on our side for the job is over. It’s now time to consolidate and concentrate our firepower against our common enemy.
Our intent is to do whatever it takes to defeat the commies in November and if you do not wish to be part of this effort, please sign off now. You can always let me know by email if you wish to rejoin us.
Thank you very much.
Thank God, there are still patriots like Jim Robinson that put country before hurt feelings and pettiness.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/free-republic-founder-nevertrumperism-losing-proposition-keep-communist-bitch/
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...and we continue to compromise and compromise and compromise for the sake of victory until we have gone from the point of having Statesmen as leaders to shysters or worse like both parties are facing this election cycle.
Maybe if enough people stopped letting themselves be told what is or isn't a winning proposition (following in herd mentality), and just stood up for what they believe, we can stop this march towards idiocracy.
At some point, people need to stand up and say Never!
Or, as William F. Buckley put it- standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!
(http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/01/buckley-quote.jpg)
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freedrepublic.com link posted
Woo Hoo!
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#NeverTrump
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In my opinion Free Republic as a serious group of conservatives has lost all credibility. All!!! They are a bunch of whiny, self-congratulating thugs. Children. Trump fits them perfectly. They're a mob that is out of control and untethered to any core principles. While there may remain some exceptions, that is the general selfie they present to the world.
:amen:
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Remember when your post would be removed from FR for cursing?
Good times.
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I heard this analogy recently. Constantly being told you have to choose between the lesser of two evils is like telling your kids if you are going to steal a candy bar, be sure to steal the smaller one. Then you can tell the person you stole the candy bar from that you chose the lesser of two evils, and they'll praise you for it.
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Remember when your post would be removed from FR for cursing?
Good times.
Remember when Jim was not a fascist?
Good times.
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In my opinion Free Republic as a serious group of conservatives has lost all credibility. All!!! They are a bunch of whiny, self-congratulating thugs. Children. Trump fits them perfectly. They're a mob that is out of control and untethered to any core principles. While there may remain some exceptions, that is the general selfie they present to the world.
A lot of great Freepers were lost during the Rudy purge. Ironic that FR will be lost in support of a candidate who makes Rudy look like a cross between Ronald Reagan and William F. Buckley.
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Wow. Apparently they are moderating comments now. I just tried to leave a simple comment and now someone has to approve my comment.
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A lot of great Freepers were lost during the Rudy purge. Ironic that FR will be lost in support of a candidate who makes Rudy look like a cross between Ronald Reagan and William F. Buckley.
As long as Jim makes his $180,000 a quarter take.. I doubt he cares. If Hillary people came in and paid best.. well.. we all know where Jim would go.
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Wow. Apparently they are moderating comments now. I just tried to leave a simple comment and now someone has to approve my comment.
I saw on a thread that Jim was telling you to get your mind right.
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I heard this analogy recently. Constantly being told you have to choose between the lesser of two evils is like telling your kids if you are going to steal a candy bar, be sure to steal the smaller one. Then you can tell the person you stole the candy bar from that you chose the lesser of two evils, and they'll praise you for it.
In this case the choice is between stealing a snickers or stealing a mars, both equal size.
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JimRob: "Our overriding mission on Free Republic is to preserve, protect and defend (conserve) God, family, country–and all that that entails (refer to the Declaration, Constitution . . ."
If this were really true, then you wouldn't be supporting Donald Trump.
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Wow. Apparently they are moderating comments now. I just tried to leave a simple comment and now someone has to approve my comment.
The infamous 'mute', one step prior to banning where the ministry of right speech can analyze all comments you attempt to make and just allow those through that fit the image they want, and use the others as an excuse to complete the zot. They use it to toy with someone before zotting, letting some pass and others not so you look like you have incomplete thoughts or don't make sense. They call it purgatory for a reason.
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The infamous 'mute', one step prior to banning where the ministry of right speech can analyze all comments you attempt to make and just allow those through that fit the image they want, and use the others as an excuse to complete the zot. They use it to toy with someone before zotting, letting some pass and others not so you look like you have incomplete thoughts or don't make sense. They call it purgatory for a reason.
It also sounds like they can selectively release comments you make so it looks like you support a position you don't actually support.
Like the soviets used to do.
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Jim Robinson, the founder of popular conservative internet discussion board Free Republic that was founded in 1997, threw his support behind Donald Trump for president on Thursday.
Free Republic was a bitter battle ground for pro-Trump and pro-Cruz supporters this year.
Jim posted this earlier today:
NeverTumperism is a losing proposition. Keep the communist bitch out by supporting Trump!
Posted on 5/12/2016, 2:53:58 PM by Jim Robinson
Your vote. Use it or lose it.
It’s not clear if he was talking about Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders in his post?
Jim Robinson also announced #NeverTrump recruiting and anti-Trump activities would no longer be tolerated at Free Republic.
Our overriding conservative mission on Free Republic is to defend God, family, country!
Posted on 5/11/2016, 3:10:59 PM by Jim Robinson
Our overriding mission on Free Republic is to preserve, protect and defend (conserve) God, family, country–and all that that entails (refer to the Declaration, Constitution, and our Judeo-Christian American heritage for details).
Our most immediate task we must undertake at this time is keep corrupt, godless, treasonous, America-hating communists like Hillary Clinton out of power.
Our very survival as a free nation depends upon it.
That means FR is going all in to defeat Hillary/Bernie, et al, by supporting our America-first nominee Donald Trump to the hilt.
Very sorry if your favorite candidate did not win the nomination and sorry if you cannot understand or agree with our mission, but those who can’t live with our immediate goal need to either keep it to themselves or sit it out (from FR) for the duration. Anti-Trump activities and NeverTrump trolling and recruiting efforts are not appreciated and are unwelcome on FR.
The time for fighting about who may be best on our side for the job is over. It’s now time to consolidate and concentrate our firepower against our common enemy.
Our intent is to do whatever it takes to defeat the commies in November and if you do not wish to be part of this effort, please sign off now. You can always let me know by email if you wish to rejoin us.
Thank you very much.
Thank God, there are still patriots like Jim Robinson that put country before hurt feelings and pettiness.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/free-republic-founder-nevertrumperism-losing-proposition-keep-communist-bitch/
Anybody found any of his posts of a similar nature against Obama when he was running?
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freedrepublic.com link posted
Woo Hoo!
didn't see it
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It also sounds like they can selectively release comments you make so it looks like you support a position you don't actually support.
Like the soviets used to do.
Exactly. They'll hold comments for days then release some here and there, putting the comments out of order from when they were made and just approving select comments that passes the ministry's censors. They can even release comments after they ban you. They just sit out in purgatory until they decide to either remove them or approve them.
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Worship the orange-face Pimp!
NO!
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This was a brilliant maneuver by Jim Robinson.
Many, many thousands of people read the Gateway Pundit.
He's reaching tens of thousand of Trump Supporters who've never heard of FreeRepublic.
He's not stupid. This is free advertising that he couldn't get anywhere at any price.
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Jim Hoft, Kristinn his partner, and JR are all in cahoots together. Disingenuous post at best.
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didn't see it
I posted it at the federalist site
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Jim Hoft, Kristinn his partner, and JR are all in cahoots together. Disingenuous post at best.
You betcha!
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didn't see it
Posted it again and tested it.
It's in Disqus comments
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Jim Hoft, Kristinn his partner, and JR are all in cahoots together. Disingenuous post at best.
Yep, Kristinn is JR's lawyer, one of the original founders, and his media spokesperson when it is necessary. They are pretty much partner sites.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DQa1ig7ImEM/Ru3yheJ-wUI/AAAAAAAAABM/huI6D9s-zDk/s400/taylor.jpg)
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Posted it again and tested it.
It's in Disqus comments
I see it (cool matrix pic).
I think many don't see there are two sets of comments and then once you find the Disqus comments, you have to re-sort them.
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I heard this analogy recently. Constantly being told you have to choose between the lesser of two evils is like telling your kids if you are going to steal a candy bar, be sure to steal the smaller one. Then you can tell the person you stole the candy bar from that you chose the lesser of two evils, and they'll praise you for it.
Good quip.
I would further elucidate the dilemma of 2016 voting choices as follows: We all understand the dilemma of choosing between the lesser of two EVILS. But there is a difference between an EVIL (i.e., a privation of the good) and a DEVIL (a bona fide spiritual monster). I have always said that Christians, of all people, should understand that we must refuse to choose between the lesser of two DEVILS. (Spiritually speaking, it is obviously safer to refuse to participate--leaving the outcome of our refusal in the Lord's hands [where it already rests anyway].)
When we understand this faith-based ethic, we discover steel in our spiritual backbones.
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To this day, why does one need $88,000 to maintain a site that hasn't been updated in 20 years, when can you put a site on the cloud I would say for at least $50 per month.. Depending on the band with I guess.
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Good quip.
I would further elucidate the dilemma of 2016 voting choices as follows: We all understand the dilemma of choosing between the lesser of two EVILS. But there is a difference between an EVIL (i.e., a privation of the good) and a DEVIL (a bona fide spiritual monster). I have always said that Christians, of all people, should understand that we must refuse to choose between the lesser of two DEVILS. (Spiritually speaking, it is obviously safer to refuse to participate--leaving the outcome of our refusal in the Lord's hands [where it already rests anyway].)
When we understand this faith-based ethic, we discover steel in our spiritual backbones.
That's an interesting way to look at it... :pondering:
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In my opinion Free Republic as a serious group of conservatives has lost all credibility. All!!! They are a bunch of whiny, self-congratulating thugs. Children. Trump fits them perfectly. They're a mob that is out of control and untethered to any core principles. While there may remain some exceptions, that is the general selfie they present to the world.
In their passionate worship of Trump, they have become little trumps... classless, mean, vindictive, insulting trashy people. They never debate any issue ... they just resort to insults and posting ugly pictures.
The site has now become lifeless ... no one to argue with ... all in lock step. Can you say cult? I know you can.
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Great job. Second time today we have reciprocated links over the FR issue.
The Federalist and Gateway Pundit. Lots of new folks coming on board here.
freedrepublic.com link posted
Woo Hoo!
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Good quip.
I would further elucidate the dilemma of 2016 voting choices as follows: We all understand the dilemma of choosing between the lesser of two EVILS. But there is a difference between an EVIL (i.e., a privation of the good) and a DEVIL (a bona fide spiritual monster). I have always said that Christians, of all people, should understand that we must refuse to choose between the lesser of two DEVILS. (Spiritually speaking, it is obviously safer to refuse to participate--leaving the outcome of our refusal in the Lord's hands [where it already rests anyway].)
When we understand this faith-based ethic, we discover steel in our spiritual backbones.
. I agree completely. My position remains that I will not vote for King Trumpy or Hitlery. Will never happen. I liken it to being made to bow to the anti christ. Wont do it. Interesting that a site called free republic is fascist. It was a good site at one time. I'm convinced King Trumpy has paid them off. In this case money shuts down free speech on free republic
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In my opinion Free Republic as a serious group of conservatives has lost all credibility. All!!! They are a bunch of whiny, self-congratulating thugs. Children. Trump fits them perfectly. They're a mob that is out of control and untethered to any core principles. While there may remain some exceptions, that is the general selfie they present to the world.
It's easy for members who are wholly invested in the "Cult of Jimmy" to extend their blind loyalty to the "Cult of Donny".
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Maybe if enough people stopped letting themselves be told what is or isn't a winning proposition (following in herd mentality), and just stood up for what they believe, we can stop this march towards idiocracy.
:thumbsup3:
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Bump. Already have five sign ups today and dozen or from yesterday due to these FR articles.
It's easy for members who are wholly invested in the "Cult of Jimmy" to extend their blind loyalty to the "Cult of Donny".
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First post. I am a refugee from Free Republic. Member there, in good standing, for nearly 20 years. Then, about a month ago, my account was suddenly suspended. Not for cursing or insulting anyone, simply because I strongly advocated against Trump. The place has changed. All the nice people are pretty much gone. It's now a site filled with hate and intolerance. Very much like a nationalist version of Democratic Underground. As Trump changes his positions, they change right along with him. It's become very cultlike. I don't see how the site survives this latest manifestation.
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Remember when Jim was not a fascist?
Good times.
Remember when Jim could call his site and agenda conservative with a straight face?
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First post. I am a refugee from Free Republic. Member there, in good standing, for nearly 20 years. Then, about a month ago, my account was suddenly suspended. Not for cursing or insulting anyone, simply because I strongly advocated against Trump. The place has changed. All the nice people are pretty much gone. It's now a site filled with hate and intolerance. Very much like a nationalist version of Democratic Underground. As Trump changes his positions, they change right along with him. It's become very cultlike. I don't see how the site survives this latest manifestation.
Welcome Timmy.... Come by the "Welcome FR Refugees" thread to check in, and say Hi to a bunch of us banished former Freepers.
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First post. I am a refugee from Free Republic. Member there, in good standing, for nearly 20 years. Then, about a month ago, my account was suddenly suspended. Not for cursing or insulting anyone, simply because I strongly advocated against Trump. The place has changed. All the nice people are pretty much gone. It's now a site filled with hate and intolerance. Very much like a nationalist version of Democratic Underground. As Trump changes his positions, they change right along with him. It's become very cultlike. I don't see how the site survives this latest manifestation.
Welcome, recall you from FR. Were you per chance on the old Mike Reagan or Ken Hamblin forums? I know I've seen your handle somewhere else.
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To this day, why does one need $88,000 to maintain a site that hasn't been updated in 20 years, when can you put a site on the cloud I would say for at least $50 per month.. Depending on the band with I guess.
That's a very good question. And that's $88,000 every three months.
I've always suspected that JimRob is like an unscrupulous literary agent who charges reading and handling fees to unpublished authors, 99.9 percent of whom don't write well enough to have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a contract. He takes their money and promises to market their work, knowing full well that he has no intention of doing so.
Conservatism is a special market that can be tapped by those clever enough to say the right words, and offer the right promises.
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Is this really worthy of a Politics thread?
I guess I underestimate the poor sensitive souls with emotional wounds who need a safe space?
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And he wonders why his fundraisers run longer and longer each quarter. I remember a time when they were done in a month. But that was several purges ago.
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So...we could ALL have a lot of fun and bombard his website and leave our #NEVERTRUMP signatures! :silly: :silly:
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And he wonders why his fundraisers run longer and longer each quarter. I remember a time when they were done in a month. But that was several purges ago.
(http://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2016/05/Borg-Trump.jpg?resize=580%2C568)
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Wow. Apparently they are moderating comments now. I just tried to leave a simple comment and now someone has to approve my comment.
Nice to see you here, Race. I only visit FR sporadically now, if only to gawk at the lockstep uniformity of those who remain, and to send private invites to those who appear to be in imminent danger of Zottage. Many of them are now here, I'm happy to say.
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Quote from: RAT Patrol on May 12, 2016, 09:12:38 PM
"In my opinion Free Republic as a serious group of conservatives has lost all credibility. All!!! They are a bunch of whiny, self-congratulating thugs. Children. Trump fits them perfectly. They're a mob that is out of control and untethered to any core principles. While there may remain some exceptions, that is the general selfie they present to the world."
I called my credit card to cancel my monthly donation to FR. They insisted that I call FR and gave me a phone number. It was a WRONG number! The poor woman on the other end had been beleagered with calls from all over the world, and she readily supplied the right number. I spoke to Jim, but he didn't give me a "cancellation number" so I'm going to have to call back. But, for your information, the number to call is: 559-437-9431.
The lady on the other end said that she had received hundreds of calls for years, and she told me that I was lucky that I got her and not her husband. She said her husband wasn't too nice about it anymore. Understandable.
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First post. I am a refugee from Free Republic. Member there, in good standing, for nearly 20 years. Then, about a month ago, my account was suddenly suspended. Not for cursing or insulting anyone, simply because I strongly advocated against Trump. The place has changed. All the nice people are pretty much gone. It's now a site filled with hate and intolerance. Very much like a nationalist version of Democratic Underground. As Trump changes his positions, they change right along with him. It's become very cultlike. I don't see how the site survives this latest manifestation.
Welcome Timmy
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I guess I underestimate the poor sensitive souls with emotional wounds who need a safe space?
A safe space? You must be referring to the site that purges people when they feel threatened.
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Wow. Apparently they are moderating comments now. I just tried to leave a simple comment and now someone has to approve my comment.
@RaceBannon
I am one of the lucky ones... I have been under radar for quite a while now... but raising my head up when I had no tongue left to bite.. Quite surprised I didn't end up with a similar situation, being that some were zotted for less than what I had to say.
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First post. I am a refugee from Free Republic. Member there, in good standing, for nearly 20 years. Then, about a month ago, my account was suddenly suspended. Not for cursing or insulting anyone, simply because I strongly advocated against Trump. The place has changed. All the nice people are pretty much gone. It's now a site filled with hate and intolerance. Very much like a nationalist version of Democratic Underground. As Trump changes his positions, they change right along with him. It's become very cultlike. I don't see how the site survives this latest manifestation.
@Timmy
Welcome ;^)
Yup, it's full of so much hatred and blindness now... I only log in to check pings anymore (including pookie's)..
You will find it's much more flexible here, without the vitriol and childish name calling :)
:beer:
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I was bummed when Ted was put down badly and basically withdrew from the forum (save rare non-political threads); this after seeing typical insults before of other personalities. Discourse, is one thing and that is good and maybe some personal jabs are okay too; but this was just downright vulgar.
And I'll say it for about the 3rd time here and what others have said, I'd see a lot of names I wasn't familiar with. Now, I don't doubt Trump's popularity with some, so I'm not chalking that down to anything underhanded. It's just a bit of an anomaly with some room for horseplay.
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Is this really worthy of a Politics thread?
Yes. FR had been an important part of the American right -- remember Rathergate? -- and used to be a fairly interesting place with free-wheeling discussion among all elements of the right. Sadly now it has limited its appeal to those drawn to a cult of personality centered on a candidate who is
"right wing" only because he opposes the left's enthusiasm for multiculturalism (with its attendant corollaries of support for unfettered immigration and turning a blind eye to the actual social doctrines of Islam), while being on board with labor protectionism (usually a left position), supporting Planned Parenthood to the extent of parroting specious Democrat talking points about the organization, viewing universal health insurance as a desirable Federal policy goal and even from time-to-time speaking favorably of "single payer" systems, uncritically accepting the left's view of "gender" in regards to the segregation of toilets and locker-rooms by sex,... I could go on.
The oppose-multiculturalism-be-labeled-far-right is common in Europe. Geert Wilders is, in everything except his opposition to open immigration and Islamization, a model social democrat, but that one deviation is enough to be "far right" in the eyes of the Eurocrats and their media stooges. Evidently Jim Robinson uses the same "reasoning" to conclude that Trump is a "conservative".
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Yes. FR had been an important part of the American right -- remember Rathergate? -- and used to be a fairly interesting place with free-wheeling discussion among all elements of the right. Sadly now it has limited its appeal to those drawn to a cult of personality centered on a candidate who is
"right wing" only because he opposes the left's enthusiasm for multiculturalism (with its attendant corollaries of support for unfettered immigration and turning a blind eye to the actual social doctrines of Islam), while being on board with labor protectionism (usually a left position), supporting Planned Parenthood to the extent of parroting specious Democrat talking points about the organization, viewing universal health insurance as a desirable Federal policy goal and even from time-to-time speaking favorably of "single payer" systems, uncritically accepting the left's view of "gender" in regards to the segregation of toilets and locker-rooms by sex,... I could go on.
The oppose-multiculturalism-be-labeled-far-right is common in Europe. Geert Wilders is, in everything except his opposition to open immigration and Islamization, a model social democrat, but that one deviation is enough to be "far right" in the eyes of the Eurocrats and their media stooges. Evidently Jim Robinson uses the same "reasoning" to conclude that Trump is a "conservative".
I have to say that is well stated
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Quote from: RAT Patrol on May 12, 2016, 09:12:38 PM
I called my credit card to cancel my monthly donation to FR. They insisted that I call FR and gave me a phone number. It was a WRONG number! The poor woman on the other end had been beleagered with calls from all over the world, and she readily supplied the right number. I spoke to Jim, but he didn't give me a "cancellation number" so I'm going to have to call back. But, for your information, the number to call is: 559-437-9431.
The lady on the other end said that she had received hundreds of calls for years, and she told me that I was lucky that I got her and not her husband. She said her husband wasn't too nice about it anymore. Understandable.
Wow.... Sounds like FR is more like a sleazy scam than I thought!!!!!!!
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To this day, why does one need $88,000 to maintain a site that hasn't been updated in 20 years, when can you put a site on the cloud I would say for at least $50 per month.. Depending on the band with I guess.
I'm under the impression Free Republic is Jim's job/career. And he pays himself [and his employees?] well, because he can. It will be interesting to see what happens [with the next fundraiser] after so many generous members have left the site because of Jim's demands and/or zots.
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Quote from: RAT Patrol on May 12, 2016, 09:12:38 PM
I called my credit card to cancel my monthly donation to FR. They insisted that I call FR and gave me a phone number. It was a WRONG number! The poor woman on the other end had been beleagered with calls from all over the world, and she readily supplied the right number. I spoke to Jim, but he didn't give me a "cancellation number" so I'm going to have to call back. But, for your information, the number to call is: 559-437-9431.
The lady on the other end said that she had received hundreds of calls for years, and she told me that I was lucky that I got her and not her husband. She said her husband wasn't too nice about it anymore. Understandable.
That is the number Jim still has listed on his administrative pages too. I guess he never thinks to update that. He also has listed: 559-273-1400.
Would you mind writing that up in an article that is stand alone? It is worth getting someone's attention.
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One of these... http://www.yellowpages.com/whitepages?from=AnyWho&first=Jim+&last=Robinson&city=Fresno&state=CA Probably the third.
The 9421 number now belongs to:
559-437-9431
Terrell Glatter
N Atlas Way, Fresno, California
http://tel2name.com/559-437
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Is this really worthy of a Politics thread?
IMHO, this belongs in member chat.
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Remember when Jim was not a fascist?
Good times.
Remember when Jim was actually relevant in politics, and not some banty rooster who squawks and stomps around, thinking that his backwater internet cesspool actually has influence anymore?
Good times.
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...and we continue to compromise and compromise and compromise for the sake of victory until we have gone from the point of having Statesmen as leaders to shysters or worse like both parties are facing this election cycle.
Maybe if enough people stopped letting themselves be told what is or isn't a winning proposition (following in herd mentality), and just stood up for what they believe, we can stop this march towards idiocracy.
At some point, people need to stand up and say Never!
Or, as William F. Buckley put it- standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!
(http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/01/buckley-quote.jpg)
Yes.
Everyone has a breaking point. This cycle I hit mine.
The last two elections gave me enough reason to support the GOP candidate, so (in my mind) my voting for McCain and Romney was justified.
Not this time. In fact every fiber of my being is telling me that both choices are wrong, and because of that I will take no part in elevating wrong to the level of POTUS.
I actually hope that I am dead wrong and that the political instincts that have served me so well for so many years have somehow dulled with time. I don't think so, but I hope so.
The thing is that if I am wrong, if Trump beats Hillary and turns out to be the savior of the Republic his supporters believe him to be, I will humbly accept being wrong, be grateful for all he does for the country and cede the point.
On the other hand, if his supporters are wrong, and he is the man that I believe that he is, his being elected could feasibly be more destructive to the nation, the GOP and conservatism in general than Hillary and her leftist ideology could ever be.
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It actually goes beyond just Trump. FR used to be a place where almost any idea could be challenged. But now, what has happened is that if you try to correct someone else's hyperbolic statement on almost any subject, you get jumped by those who confuse the correction of hyperbole with opposition to the underlying issue. If you point out anything positive Congress has done, you immediately get tagged as a tool of the Establishment rather than as someone just pointing out a relevant fact.
Perspective and critical thinking have been jettisoned in favor of having a cheering section on approved positions/candidates/issues.
In fact, I would say that correction was often welcomed, so FReepers wouldn't make fools of themselves and conservatism. Nowdays, the leftists point to FR to illustrate how uninformed conservatives are.
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I'm under the impression Free Republic is Jim's job/career. And he pays himself [and his employees?] well, because he can. It will be interesting to see what happens [with the next fundraiser] after so many generous members have left the site because of Jim's demands and/or zots.
Well he does need a new camper..
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It actually goes beyond just Trump. FR used to be a place where almost any idea could be challenged. But now, what has happened is that if you try to correct someone else's hyperbolic statement on almost any subject, you get jumped by those who confuse the correction of hyperbole with opposition to the underlying issue. If you point out anything positive Congress has done, you immediately get tagged as a tool of the Establishment rather than as someone just pointing out a relevant fact.
Perspective and critical thinking have been jettisoned in favor of having a cheering section on approved positions/candidates/issues.
@Bruce Campbells Chin
I think the site started to go down hill during the who Terry Schiavo controversy...
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@Bruce Campbells Chin
I think the site started to go down hill during the who Terry Schiavo controversy...
:beer: yes indeed. Case study why religion and politics are like oil and water.
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OUR SELF-FUNDED FORUM NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT! (FReepathon XLIV)
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2016 11:36:08 AM by Jim Robinson
As practically all of you know, Free Republic is entirely supported by our users. That is by design. We want NO string pullers. NO puppet masters. NO annoying ads or pop-ups.
In order to pull it off, we need your active participation in funding the site. MANY are enjoying the benefits, while a relative handful are financially invested in our continued existence.
Now who would have ever thought when you run off the bill payers, the freeloaders are left to sponge. Hey that is just like nobama's gubmit! Welcome to tRumpworld, Freeploaders.
See ya at the auction, Mr. My Way or the Highway.
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Expectation of perfect order at FR is naïve. I learned way back, anything is possible.
Example: The trial of David Westerfield, for the murder of a little girl.
The parents of the girl, were marijuana smoking swingers, and those "moral" failures, earned the murderer a kind reception in the hearts of a large number of freepers, bound to keep the parents' shortcomings foremost in their consideration.
Some whacko ruled the roost, named "FresnoDA" and nobody could/would stop him. It was crazy.
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You cannot reason a man out of a position that he was not reasoned into in the first place. At the same time, something that cannot go on will eventually stop...it is only a matter of time for FR.
I do see this as an excellent opportunity to do some undercover demolition over there....not that I would directly sanction such a thing you understand.....but would it not be fun to start adding appropriate, descriptive keywords to agitprop posts like this one?? I know they can track who adds keywords, but they cannot delete them once added. You might get your ass banned, but all that does is ban you from posting. It does NOT erase any of your past handiwork.
NeverTrump is an obvious winner but how about bitteroldfart, OberFuerherJim, or any number of other creations? Do them one at a time to avoid drawing too much attention to yourself, but have fun, especially if you think they are about to pull the plug on you.
For proof that this works, go do a keyword search on "Mormophopbia" "Mormophobic" "Angryformermormon" or "mormoaner" and see how many of my old keyword mortar rounds are still there four years later. I've been "banned" from FR for years but for some reason I can still log in to my account over there, all of my posts still exists and all of my keyword sabotage is still there for the looking.
Have fun!
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:beer: yes indeed. Case study why religion and politics are like oil and water.
It wasn't even a case of religion and politics. It was more religion and secular government.
The laws of the State were the laws of the State, and at the end of the day, they prevailed.
Most of Schiavo's defenders still hold grudges against those politicians in the State who did not refuse to abide by the letter of the law and various Court findings on the grounds that they found the law, or rather the law as it applied to the Schiavo case, morally objective.
Imagine if every public servant was at liberty to refuse to abide by duly enacted laws that they objected to.
The Schiavo case exposed the singular commonality shared by liberals and conservatives alike... a strong affinity for totalitarianism.
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Quote from: RAT Patrol on May 12, 2016, 09:12:38 PM
I called my credit card to cancel my monthly donation to FR. They insisted that I call FR and gave me a phone number. It was a WRONG number! The poor woman on the other end had been beleagered with calls from all over the world, and she readily supplied the right number. I spoke to Jim, but he didn't give me a "cancellation number" so I'm going to have to call back. But, for your information, the number to call is: 559-437-9431.
The lady on the other end said that she had received hundreds of calls for years, and she told me that I was lucky that I got her and not her husband. She said her husband wasn't too nice about it anymore. Understandable.
Those poor people. If she's got the correct number, why doesn't she call and demand that he correct his phone info where necessary? I would be getting a lawyer to send them a cease and desist letter.
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It wasn't even a case of religion and politics. It was more religion and secular government.
The laws of the State were the laws of the State, and at the end of the day, they prevailed.
Most of Schiavo's defenders still hold grudges against those politicians in the State who did not refuse to abide by the letter of the law and various Court findings on the grounds that they found the law, or rather the law as it applied to the Schiavo case, morally objective.
Imagine if every public servant was at liberty to refuse to abide by duly enacted laws that they objected to.
The Schiavo case exposed the singular commonality shared by liberals and conservatives alike... a strong affinity for totalitarianism.
I happen to agree..
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It wasn't even a case of religion and politics. It was more religion and secular government.
The laws of the State were the laws of the State, and at the end of the day, they prevailed.
Most of Schiavo's defenders still hold grudges against those politicians in the State who did not refuse to abide by the letter of the law and various Court findings on the grounds that they found the law, or rather the law as it applied to the Schiavo case, morally objective.
Imagine if every public servant was at liberty to refuse to abide by duly enacted laws that they objected to.
The Schiavo case exposed the singular commonality shared by liberals and conservatives alike... a strong affinity for totalitarianism.
It also started the my way or the highway conservative movement..
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It wasn't even a case of religion and politics. It was more religion and secular government.
The laws of the State were the laws of the State, and at the end of the day, they prevailed.
Most of Schiavo's defenders still hold grudges against those politicians in the State who did not refuse to abide by the letter of the law and various Court findings on the grounds that they found the law, or rather the law as it applied to the Schiavo case, morally objective.
Imagine if every public servant was at liberty to refuse to abide by duly enacted laws that they objected to.
The Schiavo case exposed the singular commonality shared by liberals and conservatives alike... a strong affinity for totalitarianism.
Reminds me of a funny exchange from the British hit series "Blackadder":
MELCHETT: Unhappily, Blackadder, the Lord High Executioner is dead.
BLACKADDER: Oh woe! Murdered of course.
MELCHETTE: Oddly enough, no. This one just got careless one night and signed his name on the wrong dotted line. They came for him while he slept.
BLACKADDER: He should have told them they had the wrong man.
MELCHETT: Oh he did, but you see they didn't, they had the right man and they had the form to prove it.
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Imagine if every public servant was at liberty to refuse to abide by duly enacted laws that they objected to.
Every man is at liberty to refuse to abide by duly enacted laws that he objects to. Whether he exercises that liberty is a matter for his conscience and his willingness to abide the consequences. Nuremburg told us that.
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Every man is at liberty to refuse to abide by duly enacted laws that he objects to. Whether he exercises that liberty is a matter for his conscience and his willingness to abide the consequences. Nuremburg told us that.
Thomas More.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More
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Now who would have ever thought when you run off the bill payers, the freeloaders are left to sponge. Hey that is just like nobama's gubmit! Welcome to tRumpworld, Freeploaders.
back in the day I thought that someone could put a quarterly e-mag together with the best original FReeper input and sell as a fundraising tool (on Amazon or whatever). Now there is nobody to produce interesting original content.
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Every man is at liberty to refuse to abide by duly enacted laws that he objects to. Whether he exercises that liberty is a matter for his conscience and his willingness to abide the consequences. Nuremburg told us that.
This ain't Nuremberg or Nazi Germany that we're discussing, and every situation isn't Nuremberg or dropping an atomic bomb on a densely populated city.
Public servants are sworn to uphold the duly enacted laws in a country where those laws are crafted by the people's representatives and changeable in the Courts.
If your conscience is at odds with the laws you've sworn to uphold, step down.
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This ain't Nuremberg or Nazi Germany that we're discussing, and every situation isn't Nuremberg or dropping an atomic bomb on a densely populated city.
Public servants are sworn to uphold the duly enacted laws in a country where those laws are crafted by the people's representatives and changeable in the Courts.
If your conscience is at odds with the laws you've sworn to uphold, step down.
:beer:
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Expectation of perfect order at FR is naïve. I learned way back, anything is possible.
Example: The trial of David Westerfield, for the murder of a little girl.
The parents of the girl, were marijuana smoking swingers, and those "moral" failures, earned the murderer a kind reception in the hearts of a large number of freepers, bound to keep the parents' shortcomings foremost in their consideration.
Some whacko ruled the roost, named "FresnoDA" and nobody could/would stop him. It was crazy.
One of the most frustrating aspects of posting and arguing on Free Republic was the inability to convince people that there could be more than one element to a situation. For instance, in the case you cited, the neglect by the parents and the culpability of the murderer are two separate issues. That's an intellectual shortcoming that leads otherwise intelligent people into weird philosophical contradictions.
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This ain't Nuremberg or Nazi Germany that we're discussing, and every situation isn't Nuremberg or dropping an atomic bomb on a densely populated city.
Public servants are sworn to uphold the duly enacted laws in a country where those laws are crafted by the people's representatives and changeable in the Courts.
If your conscience is at odds with the laws you've sworn to uphold, step down.
Generally speaking, that's true. I think Mario Cuomo and Jeb Bush would agree. But there are situations where moral considerations can force us to take a stand in opposition to the law.
The devil wins souls by using moral conundrums to convince us that good does not exist, and that it is futile to live one's life in accordance with consistent moral precepts. It leads us to despair.
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Generally speaking, that's true. I think Mario Cuomo and Jeb Bush would agree. But there are situations where moral considerations can force us to take a stand in opposition to the law.
The devil wins souls by using moral conundrums to convince us that good does not exist, and that it is futile to live one's life in accordance with consistent moral precepts. It leads us to despair.
I didn't say that you couldn't take a stand against a law, but as an elected official, or any other member of any level of government, you are a trustee of duly enacted laws and sworn to dispense and defend them.
If you refuse to abide by the letter of a duly enacted law based on your personal feelings about the law, then you become the law, with a position above the people and their elected representatives.
That's not in any way or form to be allowed in a Representative Constitutional Republic.
Public servants must either "faithfully execute" the laws or step down then fight to change them.
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One of the most frustrating aspects of posting and arguing on Free Republic was the inability to convince people that there could be more than one element to a situation. For instance, in the case you cited, the neglect by the parents and the culpability of the murderer are two separate issues. That's an intellectual shortcoming that leads otherwise intelligent people into weird philosophical contradictions.
Because sadly most of them want to go back to the late 40's, 50's and early 60's, where they think life was simple and straightforward.
Problem is most of them were children back then, and saw those times thru a child's eyes, but they simply cannot move on from that perspective. Everything with them should be a binary choice. Some things are to be sure, but not every last little thing, yet they refuse to think any other way.
That is a great deal of the problem there.
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Well he does need a new camper..
That might be on the list for later; I saw him mention his new Cadillac.
BTW, like your avatar. I recently started watching season 4 of that show and I'm hooked. I'm going to get the previous seasons so I can see what I missed.
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Finally, Jim Robinson gets it right.
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Finally, Jim Robinson gets it right.
If what I have heard from a few years ago is correct, I think JR was right the first time around--when he regarded Trump as a political monster.
Anyway, something is bad wrong here. A guy who can "switch" so drastically and so fast is not to be trusted with the Presidency. My goodness, this is axiomatic in Republicanism. The Framers abhorred pandering populism. (One thing that JR has overlooked--something that should have given him pause before he started zotting us NeverTrump guys and gals--is that there is an obvious continuity between the New Trump and the Old Trump: Trump is an over-the-top jerk. That, too, makes him a heretic. Trump's public character is completely inconsistent with the noble spirit of our Constitution and the originally noble spirit of the Republican Party.)
I say that a little over one-third of the members of the Republican Party--the only ones who enthusiastically support Trump--are just angry, scared political suckers. In short, I think JR's position is tending to usher in the very disaster that he hopes to avert.
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That might be on the list for later; I saw him mention his new Cadillac.
BTW, like your avatar. I recently started watching season 4 of that show and I'm hooked. I'm going to get the previous seasons so I can see what I missed.
Hmmmm very interesting. I think an audit in where the money is going needs to be done.
Thank you... it is a fantastic show. I have watched it from the beginning and I was hooked on it right away
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Jim Robinson, the founder of popular conservative internet discussion board Free Republic that was founded in 1997, threw his support behind Donald Trump for president on Thursday.
Free Republic was a bitter battle ground for pro-Trump and pro-Cruz supporters this year.
Jim posted this earlier today:
NeverTumperism is a losing proposition. Keep the communist bitch out by supporting Trump!
Posted on 5/12/2016, 2:53:58 PM by Jim Robinson
Your vote. Use it or lose it.
It’s not clear if he was talking about Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders in his post?
Jim Robinson also announced #NeverTrump recruiting and anti-Trump activities would no longer be tolerated at Free Republic.
Our overriding conservative mission on Free Republic is to defend God, family, country!
Posted on 5/11/2016, 3:10:59 PM by Jim Robinson
Our overriding mission on Free Republic is to preserve, protect and defend (conserve) God, family, country–and all that that entails (refer to the Declaration, Constitution, and our Judeo-Christian American heritage for details).
Our most immediate task we must undertake at this time is keep corrupt, godless, treasonous, America-hating communists like Hillary Clinton out of power.
Our very survival as a free nation depends upon it.
That means FR is going all in to defeat Hillary/Bernie, et al, by supporting our America-first nominee Donald Trump to the hilt.
Very sorry if your favorite candidate did not win the nomination and sorry if you cannot understand or agree with our mission, but those who can’t live with our immediate goal need to either keep it to themselves or sit it out (from FR) for the duration. Anti-Trump activities and NeverTrump trolling and recruiting efforts are not appreciated and are unwelcome on FR.
The time for fighting about who may be best on our side for the job is over. It’s now time to consolidate and concentrate our firepower against our common enemy.
Our intent is to do whatever it takes to defeat the commies in November and if you do not wish to be part of this effort, please sign off now. You can always let me know by email if you wish to rejoin us.
Thank you very much.
Thank God, there are still patriots like Jim Robinson that put country before hurt feelings and pettiness.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/free-republic-founder-nevertrumperism-losing-proposition-keep-communist-bitch/
If that was Jim's position, FR would still be tolerable.
It's not, however. Or he's delegated his board to Trump zealots. Merely disagreeing with Trump or saying Cruz was a good guy is sufficient to be banned.
It's become a "Safe Space" for Trump cultists.
I will be sad for the Republic when Trump gets his ass handed to him in the general, but I will gladly make up a new account and mock the shit out of those idiots.
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I'm under the impression Free Republic is Jim's job/career. And he pays himself [and his employees?] well, because he can. It will be interesting to see what happens [with the next fundraiser] after so many generous members have left the site because of Jim's demands and/or zots.
They appear to be having trouble with this quarter's fundraiser.
Shame, that.
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If that was Jim's position, FR would still be tolerable.
It's not, however. Or he's delegated his board to Trump zealots. Merely disagreeing with Trump or saying Cruz was a good guy is sufficient to be banned.
It's become a "Safe Space" for Trump cultists.
I will be sad for the Republic when Trump gets his ass handed to him in the general, but I will gladly make up a new account and mock the shit out of those idiots.
I do not believe Trump is going to lose. I believe he is going to stomp the witch into the mud.
But we will still be able to mock. Whenever Trump does something Liberal or Big Government, we can say "See? We told you so."
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I do not believe Trump is going to lose. I believe he is going to stomp the witch into the mud.
But we will still be able to mock. Whenever Trump does something Liberal or Big Government, we can say "See? We told you so."
I certainly appreciate your attitude and honesty. Trump IS going to be POTUS come January.
Always maintained that my passionate positions on Trump are no different than my passionate opinions about baseball/players/teams.
It's always intended to be fun.
I look forward to having a helluva lot more "See? I TOLD YOU SO!"'s than you have! :beer:
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I'm in the curious position of wanting him to beat her, but am unwilling to vote for him.
I know how you feel (almost?).
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I'm in the curious position of wanting him to beat her, but am unwilling to vote for him.
Mark Steyn was filling in for Rush and I caught a few minutes of what he had to say at lunchtime. Steyn's opinion of this vote is much the same as mine. Steyn says that a Hillary Clinton presidency will continue, if not accelerate the trajectory of America under president Obama. Steyn suspects, and I agree that the middle class will continue to shrink under Clinton, and that America will permanently lose it's place as a world power.
Steyn said no one knows for sure what Trump will do, and I agree. According to Steyn, at least there is a chance for good under Trump, under Clinton, the outcome is known, and it won't be good. Steyn also supposed that the GOP would suddenly find it's ability to be an effective opposition, to a president Trump. Something I've posted more than once.
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Mark Steyn was filling in for Rush and I caught a few minutes of what he had to say at lunchtime. Steyn's opinion of this vote is much the same as mine. Steyn says that a Hillary Clinton presidency will continue, if not accelerate the trajectory of America under president Obama. Steyn suspects, and I agree that the middle class will continue to shrink under Clinton, and that America will permanently lose it's place as a world power.
Steyn said no one knows for sure what Trump will do, and I agree. According to Steyn, at least there is a chance for good under Trump, under Clinton, the outcome is known, and it won't be good. Steyn also supposed that the GOP would suddenly find it's ability to be an effective opposition, to a president Trump. Something I've posted more than once.
Isn't that simply the exact same thing said every election hat has resulted in a fully left wing GOP that sides 100% with Democrats on every big issue?
So whats the difference exactly when they are doing it now and have been for years.
Deficit
Gay everything
Immigration
Iran
All of it.
There is ZERO upside to Trump over Clinton because the mans positions/words today do not match those mere months ago. Remember, he told us anything he says is a suggestion.
Bottom line, the only option any conservative has is to not vote for the liberal. Always was, always will be. Steyn, Sowell or any of them mouthing the same failed method that created this situation is insanity.
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Isn't that simply the exact same thing said every election hat has resulted in a fully left wing GOP that sides 100% with Democrats on every big issue?
So whats the difference exactly when they are doing it now and have been for years.
Deficit
Gay everything
Immigration
Iran
All of it.
There is ZERO upside to Trump over Clinton because the mans positions/words today do not match those mere months ago. Remember, he told us anything he says is a suggestion.
Bottom line, the only option any conservative has is to not vote for the liberal. Always was, always will be. Steyn, Sowell or any of them mouthing the same failed method that created this situation is insanity.
As of right now, it's your right to be wrong.
Under 8 years of Clinton rule, we'll see how that holds up.
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I'm in the curious position of wanting him to beat her, but am unwilling to vote for him.
I have the advantage of living in a State that always votes Republican so I can afford to sit this one out if I chose to do so.
If I lived in a swing state, I would of course vote for Trump, but I wouldn't like it.
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As of right now, it's your right to be wrong.
Under 8 years of Clinton rule, we'll see how that holds up.
Well by all means, please specify exactly where I am wrong.
Am I wrong that the GOP who was elected on the exact logic used by Steyn sided 100% with obama?
No.
Am I wrong that every election we hear the exact same reason to elect ever-more liberal Republicans?
No
Am I wrong that Trump has in fact said it was all suggestion and that everything is negotiable?
No
Please. Since the above is 100% historical fact, educate me where I and history are wrong. I and History are willing to learn.
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Well by all means, please specify exactly where I am wrong.
Am I wrong that the GOP who was elected on the exact logic used by Steyn sided 100% with obama?
No.
Am I wrong that every election we hear the exact same reason to elect ever-more liberal Republicans?
No
Am I wrong that Trump has in fact said it was all suggestion and that everything is negotiable?
No
Please. Since the above is 100% historical fact, educate me where I and history are wrong. I and History are willing to learn.
What is it they say in investing? Past performance is not indicative of future results.
There has never been a situation quite like this, and Trump isn't exactly the candidate the establishment dreamed of having nominated.
I get it, you're an FR refugee, and you're steeped in the culture that says you must prove you're more conservative than anyone else. You are a "pure" conservative, no doubt. However, you have a choice. It's either Clinton or Trump. I'll bet you any amount of money you can manage, that if Trump and Clinton are the nominees, and neither dies or is put in jail, that one of the two of them will be elected.
It really is a choice of the lesser of two evils. But, there is an odd chance that Trump could pleasantly surprise us. There will be no surprises with Hillary.
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Mark Steyn was filling in for Rush and I caught a few minutes of what he had to say at lunchtime. Steyn's opinion of this vote is much the same as mine. Steyn says that a Hillary Clinton presidency will continue, if not accelerate the trajectory of America under president Obama. Steyn suspects, and I agree that the middle class will continue to shrink under Clinton, and that America will permanently lose it's place as a world power.
Steyn said no one knows for sure what Trump will do, and I agree. According to Steyn, at least there is a chance for good under Trump, under Clinton, the outcome is known, and it won't be good. Steyn also supposed that the GOP would suddenly find it's ability to be an effective opposition, to a president Trump. Something I've posted more than once.
I respect Mark Steyn a lot and am forced to agree with his position here. We know what we would get with Hillary and we can't afford it.
It's a throw of the dice with Trump but, despicable as he is, he might be a better president.
(this is from a die-hard who is still hoping Cruz somehow gets the nomination at the Convention)
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What is it they say in investing? Past performance is not indicative of future results.
It is also said that insanity is doing the same exact thing, over and over again, expecting different results.
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I heard this analogy recently. Constantly being told you have to choose between the lesser of two evils is like telling your kids if you are going to steal a candy bar, be sure to steal the smaller one. Then you can tell the person you stole the candy bar from that you chose the lesser of two evils, and they'll praise you for it.
I heard this analogy, wish I could find the actual screencap of it...
Voting for Trump because he's not Hillary, is akin to jumping out of the 19th floor window, because it's not the 20th floor window.
Also, this one is good too
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Good quip.
I would further elucidate the dilemma of 2016 voting choices as follows: We all understand the dilemma of choosing between the lesser of two EVILS. But there is a difference between an EVIL (i.e., a privation of the good) and a DEVIL (a bona fide spiritual monster). I have always said that Christians, of all people, should understand that we must refuse to choose between the lesser of two DEVILS. (Spiritually speaking, it is obviously safer to refuse to participate--leaving the outcome of our refusal in the Lord's hands [where it already rests anyway].)
When we understand this faith-based ethic, we discover steel in our spiritual backbones.
:amen:
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According to Steyn, at least there is a chance for good under Trump,
based on what...
Nothing.
"...can't be as bad as..." is the worst excuse for a vote I ever heard.
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What is it they say in investing? Past performance is not indicative of future results.
There has never been a situation quite like this, and Trump isn't exactly the candidate the establishment dreamed of having nominated.
I get it, you're an FR refugee, and you're steeped in the culture that says you must prove you're more conservative than anyone else. You are a "pure" conservative, no doubt. However, you have a choice. It's either Clinton or Trump. I'll bet you any amount of money you can manage, that if Trump and Clinton are the nominees, and neither dies or is put in jail, that one of the two of them will be elected.
It really is a choice of the lesser of two evils. But, there is an odd chance that Trump could pleasantly surprise us. There will be no surprises with Hillary.
Whats that they say about history? That those who forget it are doomed to repeat it...And how we burned in the camps thinking if we had...and a whole bunch more.
Look. I get it. You are steeped in a culture where standing on principle is bad, people that stand on principle are bad and a mans actions take second place to the thinkers projections onto him.
I also get that for Trump supporters, having this FR influx makes you upset about turf and all that other high school level crap. But I will note you did not dispute a single thing I said.
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[ He couldn't get his Clean Power Act through, they've held up his immigration plan, they've refused to let him close Gitmo, they've denied general revenue funds to bail out ObamaCare, etc..
He has given billions to solar and wind, bankrupted coal companies...... our borders are completely open and hardly anyone gets deported (except Middle east Christians), Gitmo is being emptied, he is freeing them a few here and there and the courts will do the rest for him.
Obama is still getting what he wants.
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RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
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Yes. You're wrong.
While the GOP Congress hasn't defunded laws that were passed by Congress before it was controlled by Republicans, they have refused to pass a great many other things that he's wanted. That's why Obama has been forced to use sketchy Executive Orders rather than getting the actual legislation that he's wanted. He couldn't get his Clean Power Act through, they've held up his immigration plan, they've refused to let him close Gitmo, they've denied general revenue funds to bail out ObamaCare, etc..
That's very clearly not getting 100% of what he wanted.
No, I'm very correct. Show me the end of Obamacare. Show me a defunded Planned Parenthood. Show me no giveaway to Iran. Show me no gay marriage. Show me a Keystone Pipeline. Show me debt reduction. Show me a single major issue that the GOP has not rolled over on.
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I respect Mark Steyn a lot and am forced to agree with his position here. We know what we would get with Hillary and we can't afford it.
It's a throw of the dice with Trump but, despicable as he is, he might be a better president.
(this is from a die-hard who is still hoping Cruz somehow gets the nomination at the Convention)
Word...I cannot not vote with the chance of the Clinton Crime Family occupying the WH again...
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Yes.
Everyone has a breaking point. This cycle I hit mine.
The last two elections gave me enough reason to support the GOP candidate, so (in my mind) my voting for McCain and Romney was justified.
Not this time. In fact every fiber of my being is telling me that both choices are wrong, and because of that I will take no part in elevating wrong to the level of POTUS.
I actually hope that I am dead wrong and that the political instincts that have served me so well for so many years have somehow dulled with time. I don't think so, but I hope so.
The thing is that if I am wrong, if Trump beats Hillary and turns out to be the savior of the Republic his supporters believe him to be, I will humbly accept being wrong, be grateful for all he does for the country and cede the point.
On the other hand, if his supporters are wrong, and he is the man that I believe that he is, his being elected could feasibly be more destructive to the nation, the GOP and conservatism in general than Hillary and her leftist ideology could ever be.
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Whats that they say about history? That those who forget it are doomed to repeat it...And how we burned in the camps thinking if we had...and a whole bunch more.
Look. I get it. You are steeped in a culture where standing on principle is bad, people that stand on principle are bad and a mans actions take second place to the thinkers projections onto him.
I also get that for Trump supporters, having this FR influx makes you upset about turf and all that other high school level crap. But I will note you did not dispute a single thing I said.
Because it's a simple proposition. Not an ideal situation, but the kind that real life, not pure conservatism offers.
This is not my turf, I have no stake here. The influx of posters is just more posters, some good, some bad, but I'm sure the management likes it.
I didn't take the time to play your game because it's a game without end. You reason, as best you can, that this is the time to flex your pure conservatism. I think you're wrong. We'll find out soon enough.
If Clinton is elected, we'll see what happens, and then you, and others who are pure conservatives can come tell us all how Trump would have done the same things, or some other rot.
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I heard this analogy, wish I could find the actual screencap of it...
Voting for Trump because he's not Hillary, is akin to jumping out of the 19th floor window, because it's not the 20th floor window.
Also, this one is good too
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When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."
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I didn't take the time to play your game because it's a game without end. You reason, as best you can, that this is the time to flex your pure conservatism. I think you're wrong. We'll find out soon enough.
If Clinton is elected, we'll see what happens, and then you, and others who are pure conservatives can come tell us all how Trump would have done the same things, or some other rot.
If Clinton is elected and she does something awful--as she surely would--I doubt that very many of us NeverTrump folks would bother to claim that Trump would have done the same thing. We will simply say "We warned you not to nominate Trump. But you didn't listen. So, Clinton's election and Clinton's actions are necessarily Trump's fault. He disgusted far too many people."
I, for one, am not interested in "flexing my pure conservatism" at this point. I would even vote for a moderate against Hillary. (Most of us NeverTrump supporters would, I suspect.) But what Trump's supporters refuse to grasp is that we NeverTrump folks cannot conscientiously vote for a lying, slandering, vulgar egomaniac. That is not a fault in us. That is principled Republicanism. it goes way beyond conservatism. We cannot vote for a spiritual monster no matter what.
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Hmmmm very interesting. I think an audit in where the money is going needs to be done.
Thank you... it is a fantastic show. I have watched it from the beginning and I was hooked on it right away
I expect an audit might show some interesting things. I could be wrong, but then again...
Yes, it's really very good, but I really won't be able to appreciate it unless I know what's happened in previous seasons, so I have some binging to look forward to.
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They appear to be having trouble with this quarter's fundraiser.
Shame, that.
I'm devastated.
Well...think I'll go have me some M&Ms.
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Because it's a simple proposition. Not an ideal situation, but the kind that real life, not pure conservatism offers.
This is not my turf, I have no stake here. The influx of posters is just more posters, some good, some bad, but I'm sure the management likes it.
I didn't take the time to play your game because it's a game without end. You reason, as best you can, that this is the time to flex your pure conservatism. I think you're wrong. We'll find out soon enough.
If Clinton is elected, we'll see what happens, and then you, and others who are pure conservatives can come tell us all how Trump would have done the same things, or some other rot.
Actually you have a couple more things badly wrong here.
First, there is no pure conservatism. There is simply 'conservatism'. Second, I have taken the same position since 2008. I made the last political mistake I will ever make voting for McCain to get Palin. And thus I learned my lesson.
You can elect all the lesser evil types you like. We see the result. We live it. Obviously if your way worked it would be ridiculously easy to quantify. Yet what do we see? We see math in action. When you keep compromising and putting more leftists in office, you get, and demonstratably we all GOT, more leftism running the country.
So if you think that yet another fear vote is gonna save the country when the historical record shows that it has done NOTHING but make matters worse, I really don't know what to tell you.
There always seems to be a reason with the lesser evil types to not stand on principle. And it manifests every 2 years. Why do you suppose that is? There are always claims of 'purity' and of "This is our last chance/most important election ever in the history of most important elections ever just like the last several most important elections ever. Do you ever get sick of these sky falling claims? Do you think collective amnesia sweeps in and blinds everyone to the very same pattern repeating?
Every election. Every election you pragmatics force your way through fear, false claims and repetitive catch phrasing and every year we get further and further from the ideals and government America was founded on. So when is good for you? When should we stop?
2 years ago your side told us we had to elect Jonbon and Mitch and Ryan because it was the most important election ever, they won and handed Obama every major issue he wanted. No different, aside from impotent protestations than what the dems would have on their own
2 years before that in the most important election ever, your team told America that we just had to elect the guy who profits from incinerating the dead babies his own laws as governor created. Then within 24 hours of the great Fail of 12, he turned on a dime and disavowed every bit of the outright crap he fed gullable right wingers and the GOP went on to give Obama every major issue he wanted and several smaller ones, telling us to keep our powder dry.
Notice the pattern?
Stop repeating it.
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I made the last political mistake I will ever make voting for McCain to get Palin. And thus I learned my lesson.
You can elect all the lesser evil types you like. We see the result. We live it. Obviously if your way worked it would be ridiculously easy to quantify. Yet what do we see? We see math in action. When you keep compromising and putting more leftists in office, you get, and demonstratably we all GOT, more leftism running the country.
So if you think that yet another fear vote is gonna save the country when the historical record shows that it has done NOTHING but make matters worse, I really don't know what to tell you.
There always seems to be a reason with the lesser evil types to not stand on principle. And it manifests every 2 years. Why do you suppose that is? There are always claims of 'purity' and of "This is our last chance/most important election ever in the history of most important elections ever just like the last several most important elections ever. Do you ever get sick of these sky falling claims? Do you think collective amnesia sweeps in and blinds everyone to the very same pattern repeating?
Every election. Every election you pragmatics force your way through fear, false claims and repetitive catch phrasing and every year we get further and further from the ideals and government America was founded on. So when is good for you? When should we stop?
2 years ago your side told us we had to elect Jonbon and Mitch and Ryan because it was the most important election ever, they won and handed Obama every major issue he wanted. No different, aside from impotent protestations than what the dems would have on their own
2 years before that in the most important election ever, your team told America that we just had to elect the guy who profits from incinerating the dead babies his own laws as governor created. Then within 24 hours of the great Fail of 12, he turned on a dime and disavowed every bit of the outright crap he fed gullable right wingers and the GOP went on to give Obama every major issue he wanted and several smaller ones, telling us to keep our powder dry.
Notice the pattern?
Stop repeating it.
Well, sorry - but that needed repeating.
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Well, sorry - but that needed repeating.
It's just the truth. History exists. They do it every time they want to compromise. Every 2 years like clockwork. We would save a lot of time if they simply said "I'm a moderate and I don't believe in conservatism enough to put my vote where my words are".
If they were as conservative as they claim, then why don't they EVER vote for one?
Yup. It's a mystery.
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If Clinton is elected and she does something awful--as she surely would--I doubt that very many of us NeverTrump folks would bother to claim that Trump would have done the same thing. We will simply say "We warned you not to nominate Trump. But you didn't listen. So, Clinton's election and Clinton's actions are necessarily Trump's fault. He disgusted far too many people."
I, for one, am not interested in "flexing my pure conservatism" at this point. I would even vote for a moderate against Hillary. (Most of us NeverTrump supporters would, I suspect.) But what Trump's supporters refuse to grasp is that we NeverTrump folks cannot conscientiously vote for a lying, slandering, vulgar egomaniac. That is not a fault in us. That is principled Republicanism. it goes way beyond conservatism. We cannot vote for a spiritual monster no matter what.
Everything you said I agree with but have to add that I truly believe that Donald Trump is mentally ill. That scares me more than Hillary.Hillary is a lying evil witch lacking in any morality but mentally ill? Nope, just evil. Trump is all that and nuts. There is no way I could vote for someone who I believe is that dangerous.
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Yes. You're wrong.
While the GOP Congress hasn't defunded laws that were passed by Congress before it was controlled by Republicans, they have refused to pass a great many other things that he's wanted. That's why Obama has been forced to use sketchy Executive Orders rather than getting the actual legislation that he's wanted. He couldn't get his Clean Power Act through, they've held up his immigration plan, they've refused to let him close Gitmo, they've denied general revenue funds to bail out ObamaCare, etc..
That's very clearly not getting 100% of what he wanted.
Thank you.
Someone needed to say that.
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If what I have heard from a few years ago is correct, I think JR was right the first time around--when he regarded Trump as a political monster.
You mean this?
Well, I’ll make an observation. Trump is NO conservative. He’s a self-dealing charlatan and he’s got a lot of fall-for-anything chump types fooled.
Mark Levin is my friend and a friend of FR and a friend of Liberty. I’ll thank you not to trash him on this website.
109 posted on 4/18/2011, 6:56:22 PM by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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I just posted that quote on my TOS about page. Wonder how long the zot will take.
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Thank you.
Someone needed to say that.
Not really, since I wasn't wrong. Barry just illegally implemented his power and immigration while the GOP stood there going 'Oh... OK".
So as I said, if someone wants to show where the GOP stopped any major Obama plan/policy, please do. Until then, my statement stands correct.
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I'm in the curious position of wanting him to beat her, but am unwilling to vote for him.
:amen: :beer: I knows exactly how you feel. I might have voted for him if Cruz or Newt were on the ticket with him, but now I just can't do it.
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Not really, since I wasn't wrong. Barry just illegally implemented his power and immigration while the GOP stood there going 'Oh... OK".
So as I said, if someone wants to show where the GOP stopped any major Obama plan/policy, please do. Until then, my statement stands correct.
Really?
You did say 100%, correct?
If you’re a conservative who opposes immigration reform, conservatives put an end to it in 2008, when Republicans controlled the White House and Democrats controlled Congress. They stopped it when Obama was in the White House and Democrats controlled both legislative branches. Republicans then filibustered the DREAM Act of 2010 and voted to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, and then many joined the suit against DACA. Yet on numerous occasions I’ve engaged with radio talk-show callers and hosts who are mad at Republicans for not doing enough. Should the RNC send two battalions to shut down the White House?
The GOP was too late to stop Obamacare, and they are partially at fault for failing to deal with health care at all. Yet only one Republican ever voted for Obamacare. The GOP sued Obama for rewriting the law without a vote of Congress and, at this point, I’ve lost count of how many times they’ve voted to repeal ACA. They sent a repeal bill to the president’s desk.
Republicans also stopped cap-and-trade, which would have created a fabricated “market” for energy in the same way Obamacare fabricates “markets” for health insurance. Stopping it helped undermine Democrats’ efforts to make fossil fuels prohibitively expensive — which was, initially, the stated goal of this administration. When Obama circumvented Congress again, Republicans across the country sued the Environmental Protection Agency.
Conservatives in Congress also put an end to bipartisan gun-control legislation. They stopped the so-called Paycheck Fairness Act — twice — and the Paying a Fair Share Act of 2012, which would have raised taxes. They stopped the American Jobs Act bailout and the authoritarian card-check stuff. They stopped the DISCLOSE Act; and the sequestration replacement; and the Keep Student Loans Affordable Act of 2013; and the across-the-board federal-minimum-wage efforts. Republicans sued and won when Obama abused his power by naming recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434770/republican-congress-accomplished-more-you-think
Lastly, you're asking people to show you proof of things that DIDN'T happen in order to convince you that the GOP did something.
How exactly do you prove that something that never happened, didn't happen for a reason?
Again from the article:
The fact is: Democrats got some of the things they wanted. But not all, or we’d be dealing with single-payer health care, carbon-trading energy markets, more union bailouts, and about a dozen reforms that you didn’t even know existed.
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Really?
You did say 100%, correct?
If you’re a conservative who opposes immigration reform, conservatives put an end to it in 2008, when Republicans controlled the White House and Democrats controlled Congress. They stopped it when Obama was in the White House and Democrats controlled both legislative branches. Republicans then filibustered the DREAM Act of 2010 and voted to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, and then many joined the suit against DACA. Yet on numerous occasions I’ve engaged with radio talk-show callers and hosts who are mad at Republicans for not doing enough. Should the RNC send two battalions to shut down the White House?"
Sure seem to be a lot of illegals coming across the border despite that so called shut down. What did they stop again?
"The GOP was too late to stop Obamacare, and they are partially at fault for failing to deal with health care at all. Yet only one Republican ever voted for Obamacare. The GOP sued Obama for rewriting the law without a vote of Congress and, at this point, I’ve lost count of how many times they’ve voted to repeal ACA. They sent a repeal bill to the president’s desk."
Oh yes. "We'll send this meaningless bill that we know he will veto then we will take the issue off the table and not hold up anything he wants"
All their dog and pony show votes mean nothing when, in full control of the funding, they GAVE HIM THE FUNDING.
"Republicans also stopped cap-and-trade, which would have created a fabricated “market” for energy in the same way Obamacare fabricates “markets” for health insurance. Stopping it helped undermine Democrats’ efforts to make fossil fuels prohibitively expensive — which was, initially, the stated goal of this administration. When Obama circumvented Congress again, Republicans across the country sued the Environmental Protection Agency."
Which Obama slapped a different name on and implemented through his coal/solar fiasco. Republicans sue the EPA every other year then fund the agency completely.
"Conservatives in Congress also put an end to bipartisan gun-control legislation."
Which Dem governors then enacted anyway on their own with full Obama Justice Dept support.
"They stopped the so-called Paycheck Fairness Act — twice — and the Paying a Fair Share Act of 2012, which would have raised taxes."
Barry raises taxes all the time and they sign off on it. And thats not some Iran level issue to begin with.
"They stopped the American Jobs Act bailout and the authoritarian card-check stuff."
Again, not some American ending crisis. the average person wouldnt have clue 1 what either were.
"They stopped the DISCLOSE Act; and the sequestration replacement; and the Keep Student Loans Affordable Act of 2013"
Oh yes, another country ending crisis for sure.
"and the across-the-board federal-minimum-wage efforts. Republicans sued and won when Obama abused his power by naming recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board.
And that resulted in what? Did some hard right constitutionalist replace them? No. Bread and circuses. No gain.
"Lastly, you're asking people to show you proof of things that DIDN'T happen in order to convince you that the GOP did something."
How exactly do you prove that something that never happened, didn't happen for a reason?"
Pretty sure Obamacare, The biggest debt in history, gay marriage, Funding Iran's nuke program, Bhenghazi dog and pony hearings, an illegal invasion and all the rest are happening/happened so I don't know what you are referring to.
Again from the article:
"The fact is: Democrats got some of the things they wanted. But not all, or we’d be dealing with single-payer health care, carbon-trading energy markets, more union bailouts, and about a dozen reforms that you didn’t even know existed.
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The fact is, Democrats got every major issue they wanted just as I said above.
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You mean this?
Well, I’ll make an observation. Trump is NO conservative. He’s a self-dealing charlatan and he’s got a lot of fall-for-anything chump types fooled.
Mark Levin is my friend and a friend of FR and a friend of Liberty. I’ll thank you not to trash him on this website.
109 posted on 4/18/2011, 6:56:22 PM by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
I still have an account over at TOS (as well as two sock puppets, but don't tell anyone) and I was thinking about changing my tagline to "Orange is the new black" but was afraid I would get severely moderated for it.
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The fact is, Democrats got every major issue they wanted just as I said above.
Nice move, but it won't work.
You said "if someone wants to show where the GOP stopped any major Obama plan/policy, please do", and then when I do that, you change your position from Obama getting "any major issue' to "every major issue".
They stopped plenty, but you won't give them credit for any, then you blame them for things like gay marriage, decided by the SCOTUS.
I get it, you don't like the GOP, but by the same token, what else do you have?
The most conservative candidate in decades couldn't beat an orange haired quack in the primaries.
What can conservatives offer to replace the GOP with when they can't get elected to public offices?
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Thank God, there are still patriots like Jim Robinson that put country before hurt feelings and pettiness.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/free-republic-founder-nevertrumperism-losing-proposition-keep-communist-bitch/
Translated: "Thank God there are still fascist wannabes like Robinson whose tingle-up-the-leg lust for Donald Trump supersedes any pretense toward adherence to any ideals related to free speech and expression."
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Translated: "Thank God there are still fascist wannabes like Robinson whose tingle-up-the-leg lust for Donald Trump supersedes any pretense toward adherence to any ideals related to free speech and expression."
....says the person with the tin-foil baseball cap! :whistle:
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In their passionate worship of Trump, they have become little trumps... classless, mean, vindictive, insulting trashy people. They never debate any issue ... they just resort to insults and posting ugly pictures.
The site has now become lifeless ... no one to argue with ... all in lock step. Can you say cult? I know you can.
And it will never recover its former greatness as a gold-standard forum of conservatism. I'd look for TBR to pass them in membership and prominence in the future.
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I just posted that quote on my TOS about page. Wonder how long the zot will take.
Chae, different subject, but I noticed you posted comments on the thread pertaining to the possible split United Methodist Church over homosexuality. My next-door neighbor is a retired Methodist pastor and he's expressed concerns about the coming split. I suspect other churches will follow suit in time.
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....says the person with the tin-foil baseball cap! :whistle:
No worries... it's borrowed. I'm giving it back today.
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I respect Mark Steyn a lot and am forced to agree with his position here. We know what we would get with Hillary and we can't afford it.
It's a throw of the dice with Trump but, despicable as he is, he might be a better president.
(this is from a die-hard who is still hoping Cruz somehow gets the nomination at the Convention)
@Relic @Norm Lenhart We know what we will get with Clinton but we also know opposition to her will be high. She lacks any leadership, charisma, strength or really any value to be president except her last name. She won't be as bad as Obama because he's clearly pushing Muslim domination. Her poor health will probably limit her to only 4 years.
Trump on the other hand is clearly quite dangerous. He is a bully in a china shop and doesn't care what he breaks because he's never had any real consequences his entire life. We don't know where he stands on policies except that whatever he does will be good for Trump. We also know he'll piss off every other country with his big mouth and ugly American syndrome.
Trump would probably lead us into a major war after alienating the few remaining allies we have.
I don't agree with Norm that compromise isn't necessary sometime. The right has continually lost ground the last 100 years because of our tendency to only support the pure position (an our ability to fight amongst each other). Trump isn't the answer though.
Trump or Hillary, both will destroy America. With Hillary we have a chance to NOT die in a nuclear conflagration.
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@Relic @Norm Lenhart We know what we will get with Clinton but we also know opposition to her will be high. She lacks any leadership, charisma, strength or really any value to be president except her last name. She won't be as bad as Obama because he's clearly pushing Muslim domination. Her poor health will probably limit her to only 4 years.
Trump on the other hand is clearly quite dangerous. He is a bully in a china shop and doesn't care what he breaks because he's never had any real consequences his entire life. We don't know where he stands on policies except that whatever he does will be good for Trump. We also know he'll piss off every other country with his big mouth and ugly American syndrome.
Trump would probably lead us into a major war after alienating the few remaining allies we have.
I don't agree with Norm that compromise isn't necessary sometime. The right has continually lost ground the last 100 years because of our tendency to only support the pure position (an our ability to fight amongst each other). Trump isn't the answer though.
Trump or Hillary, both will destroy America. With Hillary we have a chance to NOT die in a nuclear conflagration.
:thumbsup:
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@Relic @Norm Lenhart We know what we will get with Clinton but we also know opposition to her will be high. She lacks any leadership, charisma, strength or really any value to be president except her last name. She won't be as bad as Obama because he's clearly pushing Muslim domination. Her poor health will probably limit her to only 4 years.
Trump on the other hand is clearly quite dangerous. He is a bully in a china shop and doesn't care what he breaks because he's never had any real consequences his entire life. We don't know where he stands on policies except that whatever he does will be good for Trump. We also know he'll piss off every other country with his big mouth and ugly American syndrome.
Trump would probably lead us into a major war after alienating the few remaining allies we have.
I don't agree with Norm that compromise isn't necessary sometime. The right has continually lost ground the last 100 years because of our tendency to only support the pure position (an our ability to fight amongst each other). Trump isn't the answer though.
Trump or Hillary, both will destroy America. With Hillary we have a chance to NOT die in a nuclear conflagration.
That is a thoughtful position. I disagree with it, but I respect it. :beer:
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The infamous 'mute', one step prior to banning where the ministry of right speech can analyze all comments you attempt to make and just allow those through that fit the image they want, and use the others as an excuse to complete the zot. They use it to toy with someone before zotting, letting some pass and others not so you look like you have incomplete thoughts or don't make sense. They call it purgatory for a reason.
About a month ago I was put on the comment review list. Later, in the we need money thread, I posted I would donate if they would return me to full posting privileges. They did, I did not donate, and now I am back on the review list. So, I guess you can buy yourself out of timeout.
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" So, I guess you can buy yourself out of timeout." Ahhhh...sounds like your typical TrumpTransaction.
@ mcjordansc
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@Relic @Norm Lenhart We know what we will get with Clinton but we also know opposition to her will be high. She lacks any leadership, charisma, strength or really any value to be president except her last name. She won't be as bad as Obama because he's clearly pushing Muslim domination. Her poor health will probably limit her to only 4 years.
Trump on the other hand is clearly quite dangerous. He is a bully in a china shop and doesn't care what he breaks because he's never had any real consequences his entire life. We don't know where he stands on policies except that whatever he does will be good for Trump. We also know he'll piss off every other country with his big mouth and ugly American syndrome.
Trump would probably lead us into a major war after alienating the few remaining allies we have.
I don't agree with Norm that compromise isn't necessary sometime. The right has continually lost ground the last 100 years because of our tendency to only support the pure position (an our ability to fight amongst each other). Trump isn't the answer though.
Trump or Hillary, both will destroy America. With Hillary we have a chance to NOT die in a nuclear conflagration.
goopo
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I still have an account over at TOS (as well as two sock puppets, but don't tell anyone) and I was thinking about changing my tagline to "Orange is the new black" but was afraid I would get severely moderated for it.
Someone already beat you to the tagline, assuming he's still there (doubtful).
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@Relic @Norm Lenhart We know what we will get with Clinton but we also know opposition to her will be high. She lacks any leadership, charisma, strength or really any value to be president except her last name. She won't be as bad as Obama because he's clearly pushing Muslim domination. Her poor health will probably limit her to only 4 years. Trump on the other hand is clearly quite dangerous. He is a bully in a china shop and doesn't care what he breaks because he's never had any real consequences his entire life. We don't know where he stands on policies except that whatever he does will be good for Trump. We also know he'll piss off every other country with his big mouth and ugly American syndrome. Trump would probably lead us into a major war after alienating the few remaining allies we have.
Trump or Hillary, both will destroy America. With Hillary we have a chance to NOT die in a nuclear conflagration.
I agree with what you said. Hillary would not push the red button for sure destruction of the country which would mean she and her family dies. Plus, on domestic issues she would have congress to hold her back. That assumes Trump does not cause so much trouble that Republicans lose our majority in the house and senate.
Trump has no inner control of himself. He has already cut off cooperation with England, our "used to be" ally before he verbally attacked the Prime Minister. Trump is absolutely dangerous to our security.
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Trump has no inner control of himself. He has already cut off cooperation with England, our "used to be" ally before he verbally attacked the Prime Minister. Trump is absolutely dangerous to our security.
Eh, he's just pissed that Parliament debated barring him from entry. :tongue2:
Not that they had any choice: A petition to the Crown, duly signed and with the requisite number of signatures, must be debated by the full House within 90 days of being ratified. Been that way since about 1500 - we're not changing it to suit someones whims.
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Everything you said I agree with but have to add that I truly believe that Donald Trump is mentally ill. That scares me more than Hillary.Hillary is a lying evil witch lacking in any morality but mentally ill? Nope, just evil. Trump is all that and nuts. There is no way I could vote for someone who I believe is that dangerous.
Hi, ConservativeGranny, yes, you and I think he is mentally disturbed. Electing a "crazy" person is having someone who cannot be trusted at all as the mentally disturbed are exactly that - their brain does not work right so no one will know what that person is going to do. I will not vote for a mentally disturbed person. I will leave that spot on the ballot blank.
In voting, one should vote their conscience, that is the bottom line. It doesn't matter what others do, one must stay true to his/her core beliefs. That is what I will do.
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If the founders had believed in this lesser of two evils stuff. We'd still be petitioning parliament to ease up on our oppression.
Sooner or later you have to pull a captain Kirk and take the third option. With any luck the Never Trump crowd will shock the GOPe enough to get them to the job we pay them so handsomely to do: Stop government oppression of the people.
Barring that happening we can either acquiesce to the downfall of our liberty, or prepare for the coming destruction of it. Options are few, but not non-existent. Any history book will tell you where more of the same leads us to.
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If the founders had believed in this lesser of two evils stuff. We'd still be petitioning parliament to ease up on our oppression.
Sooner or later you have to pull a captain Kirk and take the third option. With any luck the Never Trump crowd will shock the GOPe enough to get them to the job we pay them so handsomely to do: Stop government oppression of the people.
Barring that happening we can either acquiesce to the downfall of our liberty, or prepare for the coming destruction of it. Options are few, but not non-existent. Any history book will tell you where more of the same leads us to.
Good post. Idaho_Cowboy!
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If the founders had believed in this lesser of two evils stuff. We'd still be petitioning parliament to ease up on our oppression.
Sooner or later you have to pull a captain Kirk and take the third option. With any luck the Never Trump crowd will shock the GOPe enough to get them to the job we pay them so handsomely to do: Stop government oppression of the people.
Barring that happening we can either acquiesce to the downfall of our liberty, or prepare for the coming destruction of it. Options are few, but not non-existent. Any history book will tell you where more of the same leads us to.
Ex-friggin-zactly.
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I'm under the impression Free Republic is Jim's job/career. And he pays himself [and his employees?] well, because he can. It will be interesting to see what happens [with the next fundraiser] after so many generous members have left the site because of Jim's demands and/or zots.
In all fairness, JR is a double amputee and his wife is crippled too. Yes, I do believe he supplements their disability payments with income from FR. And 4 x $88,000 is $352,000.
His son, John, does most of the actual upgrades, so is also on the payroll. I don't begrudge him the money I've sent, but I do resent the treatment I received for NOTHING that I did. I also wonder about some of therestrictions imposed by the articles that are posted over there. Other news gathering sites quote at length from the same sources without restrictions. FR isn't even allowed to post ANYTHING from USA Today (a truly despicable news source, but widely circulated.)
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In short, I think JR's position is tending to usher in the very disaster that he hopes to avert.
True, but I think the answer to his reasoning is more simple:
JR started FR with the purpose of activism - I think that's his thing, and I think he is trying to recapture FR's glory days. He is trying to force the unified activist sense of FR's former days.
Sadly, that can't be forced. And sadly, he's hitched his wagon to something other than Conservatism, and kicked off most of the rock-ribbed Conservatives - those who are willing to shed political blood, kick *ss and take names for the cause of Conservatism.
He has mistaken the loud, clanging populism of rah-rah agitators, whose principles change with the wind, for that which abides in Conservatism's resolute and adamantine core.
The 'WINNERS!!!' he has remaining, I would predict, are not so inclined toward real activism as he would hope... Nor is their cause principled, nor is it just. And in that, it will not be timeless, but temporary. And the 'win' will be Pyrrhic at best.
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I've said this before on different threads, but let's look at the long view.
If it comes down to either Trump or Clinton, I guess Trump would be slightly better. But one thing Trump will definitely NOT!!! do is spread the conservative message. He will spread Donald H. Trump's message....me, myself, and I.
So say Trump wins this year (Trump wins this year, Trump wins this year, etc.) We have maybe stopped ultra-leftism for four years. But Trump has some screwy, leftist positions of his own. But whatever.
We can be sure that since the Dem Party has now descended into the stinking swamp of ultra-leftism, in four years they will nominate another nutty leftist. They will keep nominating nutty leftists for the far foreseeable future unless the political atmosphere changes.
As stated before, Trump is not the person to deliver a conservative message. He is a one off.
But now the Republican Party has decided it wants to be a populist/nationalist party. No conservative philosophy please.
In four or eight years we will be in the same spot we are now. There is no other party that pushes the conservative/free trade/limited gov. message other than Libertarians. And Libertarians have decided that pushing legalization of pot is the most important issue of the century.
So in four or eight years the Pubbies will be sending a quasi-Trump as their standard bearer under the new populist/nationalist/isolationist philosophy.
That message will not defeat the march of leftism that has won over the young set who are viewing socialism much more favorably than past generations. There's no way Bernie Sanders could have been as successful forty years ago. George McGovern, a pre-Sanders, socialist Democrat candidate, got killed against a moderate Republican.
We need a conservative champion. Trump is not that person. He will do great harm to the conservative movement in the Republican Party if he has not already killed it.
There's no way this country will survive on its present course of unabashed socialism. Unless we figure out how to get the conservative message front and center, we're doomed.
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I've said this before on different threads, but let's look at the long view.
If it comes down to either Trump or Clinton, I guess Trump would be slightly better. But one thing Trump will definitely NOT!!! do is spread the conservative message. He will spread Donald H. Trump's message....me, myself, and I.
So say Trump wins this year (Trump wins this year, Trump wins this year, etc.) We have maybe stopped ultra-leftism for four years. But Trump has some screwy, leftist positions of his own. But whatever.
We can be sure that since the Dem Party has now descended into the stinking swamp of ultra-leftism, in four years they will nominate another nutty leftist. They will keep nominating nutty leftists for the far foreseeable future unless the political atmosphere changes.
As stated before, Trump is not the person to deliver a conservative message. He is a one off.
But now the Republican Party has decided it wants to be a populist/nationalist party. No conservative philosophy please.
In four or eight years we will be in the same spot we are now. There is no other party that pushes the conservative/free trade/limited gov. message other than Libertarians. And Libertarians have decided that pushing legalization of pot is the most important issue of the century.
So in four or eight years the Pubbies will be sending a quasi-Trump as their standard bearer under the new populist/nationalist/isolationist philosophy.
That message will not defeat the march of leftism that has won over the young set who are viewing socialism much more favorably than past generations. There's no way Bernie Sanders could have been as successful forty years ago. George McGovern, a pre-Sanders, socialist Democrat candidate, got killed against a moderate Republican.
We need a conservative champion. Trump is not that person. He will do great harm to the conservative movement in the Republican Party if he has not already killed it.
There's no way this country will survive on its present course of unabashed socialism. Unless we figure out how to get the conservative message front and center, we're doomed.
DEAD ON, I'm afraid. And what you have presented is a best-case scenario.
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But one thing Trump will definitely NOT!!! do is spread the conservative message. He will spread Donald H. Trump's message....me, myself, and I.
In four or eight years we will be in the same spot we are now. There is no other party that pushes the conservative/free trade/limited gov. message other than Libertarians. And Libertarians have decided that pushing legalization of pot is the most important issue of the century.
We need a conservative champion. Trump is not that person. He will do great harm to the conservative movement in the Republican Party if he has not already killed it.
There's no way this country will survive on its present course of unabashed socialism. Unless we figure out how to get the conservative message front and center, we're doomed.
Your post is a good one. I was a psychological examiner for twenty-five years and believe Trump's behavior is that of a mentally unstable person. I will never vote for him due to that reason. I do not want his finger near the red button and I also believe he could start WWIII and we would have no allies as he has ready ticked a number of them off and he has just started with that. He cannot control himself and we absolutely cannot have such a person running this country.
Due to the above, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate for president (not concerned about marijuana use as that is determined by state) and conservatives down the ballot. I worked in the Texas Republican Party for ten years, holding elections and teaching Texas Election Law across the state to County Chairmen, lawyers, election judges/clerks. This was volunteer on my part to assure we have fair elections in this state. So, with that background, I am still leaving the Republican Party when it comes to Trump - that is how dangerous I think he is.
Another issue - the word, "hate" when it comes to choosing one candidate over another. I do not "hate" anyone and others here who have reason not to vote for Trump, are not "haters", either. Trump people on the other site and this one throw the word, "hate" toward those of us who cannot, due to our conscience, vote for the man. I have blocked people on this website who use that word about us. (I write poetry and feel a poem coming about the word, "hate".)
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Your post is a good one. I was a psychological examiner for twenty-five years and believe Trump's behavior is that of a mentally unstable person. I will never vote for him due to that reason. I do not want his finger near the red button and I also believe he could start WWIII and we would have no allies as he has ready ticked a number of them off and he has just started with that. He cannot control himself and we absolutely cannot have such a person running this country.
Due to the above, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate for president (not concerned about marijuana use as that is determined by state) and conservatives down the ballot. I worked in the Texas Republican Party for ten years, holding elections and teaching Texas Election Law across the state to County Chairmen, lawyers, election judges/clerks. This was volunteer on my part to assure we have fair elections in this state. So, with that background, I am still leaving the Republican Party when it comes to Trump - that is how dangerous I think he is.
Another issue - the word, "hate" when it comes to choosing one candidate over another. I do not "hate" anyone and others here who have reason not to vote for Trump, are not "haters", either. Trump people on the other site and this one throw the word, "hate" toward those of us who cannot, due to our conscience, vote for the man. I have blocked people on this website who use that word about us. (I write poetry and feel a poem coming about the word, "hate".)
@CatherineofAragon
@Bigun
@mystery-ak
@kartographer
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Your post is a good one. I was a psychological examiner for twenty-five years and believe Trump's behavior is that of a mentally unstable person. I will never vote for him due to that reason. I do not want his finger near the red button and I also believe he could start WWIII and we would have no allies as he has ready ticked a number of them off and he has just started with that. He cannot control himself and we absolutely cannot have such a person running this country.
Due to the above, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate for president (not concerned about marijuana use as that is determined by state) and conservatives down the ballot. I worked in the Texas Republican Party for ten years, holding elections and teaching Texas Election Law across the state to County Chairmen, lawyers, election judges/clerks. This was volunteer on my part to assure we have fair elections in this state. So, with that background, I am still leaving the Republican Party when it comes to Trump - that is how dangerous I think he is.
Another issue - the word, "hate" when it comes to choosing one candidate over another. I do not "hate" anyone and others here who have reason not to vote for Trump, are not "haters", either. Trump people on the other site and this one throw the word, "hate" toward those of us who cannot, due to our conscience, vote for the man. I have blocked people on this website who use that word about us. (I write poetry and feel a poem coming about the word, "hate".)
@CatherineofAragon
@Bigun
@mystery-ak
@kartographer
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No one put this thread out of it's misery yet?
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No one put this thread out of it's misery yet?
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Oh, someone evidently cares.
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I've said this before on different threads, but let's look at the long view.
But now the Republican Party has decided it wants to be a populist/nationalist party. No conservative philosophy please.
In four or eight years we will be in the same spot we are now. There is no other party that pushes the conservative/free trade/limited gov. message other than Libertarians. And Libertarians have decided that pushing legalization of pot is the most important issue of the century.
We need a conservative champion. Trump is not that person. He will do great harm to the conservative movement in the Republican Party if he has not already killed it.
There's no way this country will survive on its present course of unabashed socialism. Unless we figure out how to get the conservative message front and center, we're doomed.
There are three things that have preceded the destruction of every great civilization:
1) The creation and expansion of a welfare state
2) A rapid decline in moral values.
3) Betrayal of genuine allies and replacing them with false allies to create or maintain an "unnatural peace."
Trump and Clinton have both proved incapable of stemming the increase in any of those items.
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Your post is a good one. I was a psychological examiner for twenty-five years and believe Trump's behavior is that of a mentally unstable person. I will never vote for him due to that reason. I do not want his finger near the red button and I also believe he could start WWIII and we would have no allies as he has ready ticked a number of them off and he has just started with that. He cannot control himself and we absolutely cannot have such a person running this country.
Due to the above, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate for president (not concerned about marijuana use as that is determined by state) and conservatives down the ballot. I worked in the Texas Republican Party for ten years, holding elections and teaching Texas Election Law across the state to County Chairmen, lawyers, election judges/clerks. This was volunteer on my part to assure we have fair elections in this state. So, with that background, I am still leaving the Republican Party when it comes to Trump - that is how dangerous I think he is.
Another issue - the word, "hate" when it comes to choosing one candidate over another. I do not "hate" anyone and others here who have reason not to vote for Trump, are not "haters", either. Trump people on the other site and this one throw the word, "hate" toward those of us who cannot, due to our conscience, vote for the man. I have blocked people on this website who use that word about us. (I write poetry and feel a poem coming about the word, "hate".)
@CatherineofAragon
@Bigun
@mystery-ak
@kartographer
Back before the Iowa caucus, I made my husband watch the video of Trump's speech in which he ranted incoherently about Ben Carson. Husband stood there silently as Trump wandered back and forth across the stage, yanking up his pants, rambling in a hoarse voice like a half-crazy person. When it was over, my other half just shook his head and said, "That man doesn't belong anywhere near the White House." I agree, and not one thing has occurred to change my mind. In fact, the opposite is true; confirmation of his unfit status for office has piled up rapidly and continues to do so.
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I've said this before on different threads, but let's look at the long view.
If it comes down to either Trump or Clinton, I guess Trump would be slightly better. But one thing Trump will definitely NOT!!! do is spread the conservative message. He will spread Donald H. Trump's message....me, myself, and I.
So say Trump wins this year (Trump wins this year, Trump wins this year, etc.) We have maybe stopped ultra-leftism for four years. But Trump has some screwy, leftist positions of his own. But whatever.
We can be sure that since the Dem Party has now descended into the stinking swamp of ultra-leftism, in four years they will nominate another nutty leftist. They will keep nominating nutty leftists for the far foreseeable future unless the political atmosphere changes.
As stated before, Trump is not the person to deliver a conservative message. He is a one off.
But now the Republican Party has decided it wants to be a populist/nationalist party. No conservative philosophy please.
In four or eight years we will be in the same spot we are now. There is no other party that pushes the conservative/free trade/limited gov. message other than Libertarians. And Libertarians have decided that pushing legalization of pot is the most important issue of the century.
So in four or eight years the Pubbies will be sending a quasi-Trump as their standard bearer under the new populist/nationalist/isolationist philosophy.
That message will not defeat the march of leftism that has won over the young set who are viewing socialism much more favorably than past generations. There's no way Bernie Sanders could have been as successful forty years ago. George McGovern, a pre-Sanders, socialist Democrat candidate, got killed against a moderate Republican.
We need a conservative champion. Trump is not that person. He will do great harm to the conservative movement in the Republican Party if he has not already killed it.
There's no way this country will survive on its present course of unabashed socialism. Unless we figure out how to get the conservative message front and center, we're doomed.
We have Obama now because we elected a "compassionate conservative". We poison the conservative cause when the people who claim to represent it are anything but. Then the masses demand a change away from what was claimed to be "conservative" because of the disaster it was and swing hard further to the left looking for that change.
I believe Trump could be final nail to the conservative cause. He's flying the banner that so many "conservatives" are following that when it comes to its ugly end, it will all be blamed on conservatives and any alternative will look better. It is much like crony capitalism by the left giving capitalism a bad name. The left wins both ways.
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We have Obama now because we elected a "compassionate conservative". We poison the conservative cause when the people who claim to represent it are anything but. Then the masses demand a change away from what was claimed to be "conservative" because of the disaster it was and swing hard further to the left looking for that change.
I believe Trump could be final nail to the conservative cause. He's flying the banner that so many "conservatives" are following that when it comes to its ugly end, it will all be blamed on conservatives and any alternative will look better. It is much like crony capitalism by the left giving capitalism a bad name. The left wins both ways.
Every election year we are told this is the most important country destroying election in the history of ever.
Every election year we hear some version of the lesser evil argument to avoid that country destroying whatever/whoever.
Every election year we are told this most important country destroying election ever is the reason to elect a liberal GOP Prez/Congressman/Senator because reasons. THIS TIME.
Every election year we are told 'next time' we can elect a conservative but that this most important election ever in the history of most important elections ever is too important...as if there were such a thing as an unimportant election.
Every year we are told, impotently, that we will hold feet to the fire.
Every moment until the next most important election ever, no feet are held to the fire because 'it isn't the right time', "You/we should have thought about it before the election" Because "now we have to go with what we have" and besides, "It was the lesser evil".
And as the next election approaches...
Every election year we are told this is the most important country destroying election in the history of ever.
Every election year we hear some version of the lesser evil argument to avoid that country destroying whatever/whoever.
Every election year we are told this most important country destroying election ever is the reason to elect a liberal GOP Prez/Congressman/Senator because reasons. THIS TIME.
Every election year we are told 'next time' we can elect a conservative but that this most important election ever in the history of most important elections ever is too important...as if there were such a thing as an unimportant election.
Every year we are told, impotently, that we will hold feet to the fire.
Every moment until the next most important election ever, no feet are held to the fire because 'it isn't the right time', "You/we should have thought about it before the election" Because "now we have to go with what we have" and besides, "It was the lesser evil"..
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Every election year we are told this is the most important country destroying election in the history of ever.
Every election year we hear some version of the lesser evil argument to avoid that country destroying whatever/whoever.
Every election year we are told this most important country destroying election ever is the reason to elect a liberal GOP Prez/Congressman/Senator because reasons. THIS TIME.
Every election year we are told 'next time' we can elect a conservative but that this most important election ever in the history of most important elections ever is too important...as if there were such a thing as an unimportant election.
Every year we are told, impotently, that we will hold feet to the fire.
Every moment until the next most important election ever, no feet are held to the fire because 'it isn't the right time', "You/we should have thought about it before the election" Because "now we have to go with what we have" and besides, "It was the lesser evil".
And as the next election approaches...
Every election year we are told this is the most important country destroying election in the history of ever.
Every election year we hear some version of the lesser evil argument to avoid that country destroying whatever/whoever.
Every election year we are told this most important country destroying election ever is the reason to elect a liberal GOP Prez/Congressman/Senator because reasons. THIS TIME.
Every election year we are told 'next time' we can elect a conservative but that this most important election ever in the history of most important elections ever is too important...as if there were such a thing as an unimportant election.
Every year we are told, impotently, that we will hold feet to the fire.
Every moment until the next most important election ever, no feet are held to the fire because 'it isn't the right time', "You/we should have thought about it before the election" Because "now we have to go with what we have" and besides, "It was the lesser evil"..
LOL! You just listed a thorough list of reasons to vote for Donald Trump. :beer:
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LOL! You just listed a thorough list of reasons to vote for Donald Trump. :beer:
And that's why few take you seriously. you really don't see a problem with repeated failure and how it resulted in the mess we're in..
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I was a psychological examiner for twenty-five years and believe Trump's behavior is that of a mentally unstable person.
Where and for whom, did you perform such duties?
What are your qualifications, and training?
What is the term for the condition which you claim Trump has?
I have never heard the term "psychological examiner," so I have no idea what it would entail, who it would be performed for and upon, etc.
Do you have any similar observations, about Cruz, Beck, Levin, Cruz' father or any of the other candidates on either side? About Hillary Clinton?
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Every election year we are told this is the most important country destroying election in the history of ever.
Every election year we hear some version of the lesser evil argument to avoid that country destroying whatever/whoever.
Every election year we are told this most important country destroying election ever is the reason to elect a liberal GOP Prez/Congressman/Senator because reasons. THIS TIME.
Every election year we are told 'next time' we can elect a conservative but that this most important election ever in the history of most important elections ever is too important...as if there were such a thing as an unimportant election.
Every year we are told, impotently, that we will hold feet to the fire.
Every moment until the next most important election ever, no feet are held to the fire because 'it isn't the right time', "You/we should have thought about it before the election" Because "now we have to go with what we have" and besides, "It was the lesser evil".
And as the next election approaches...
Every election year we are told this is the most important country destroying election in the history of ever.
Every election year we hear some version of the lesser evil argument to avoid that country destroying whatever/whoever.
Every election year we are told this most important country destroying election ever is the reason to elect a liberal GOP Prez/Congressman/Senator because reasons. THIS TIME.
Every election year we are told 'next time' we can elect a conservative but that this most important election ever in the history of most important elections ever is too important...as if there were such a thing as an unimportant election.
Every year we are told, impotently, that we will hold feet to the fire.
Every moment until the next most important election ever, no feet are held to the fire because 'it isn't the right time', "You/we should have thought about it before the election" Because "now we have to go with what we have" and besides, "It was the lesser evil"..
Bears repeating - a third time :seeya:
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Where and for whom, did you perform such duties?
What are your qualifications, and training?
What is the term for the condition which you claim Trump has?
I have never heard the term "psychological examiner," so I have no idea what it would entail, who it would be performed for and upon, etc.
Do you have any similar observations, about Cruz, Beck, Levin, Cruz' father or any of the other candidates on either side? About Hillary Clinton?
IMO, one doesn't have to have any special qualifications to diagnose or see the plain truth...
- What is megalomania?
Megalomania is understood to be a mental disorder that manifests itself with delusions of grandeur, omnipotence, power and wealth. People with this psychopathology usually have obsessive compulsive and controlling tendencies.
Within the scope of megalomania, there are cases of people who have megalomaniacal traits or personality disorders caused by excessive narcissism or self-esteem that gives them a distorted vision of reality. There are also cases of people suffering from a delusional megalomaniacal disturbance, such as increasingly delusional, unrealistic notions. This alteration in behaviours may occur for more than a month, and the person concerned lives their life under these delusions and is not able to recognise any other reality.
- What are the symptoms of megalomania?
In many cases, it is very difficult to detect whether a person has a personality disorder like megalomania, and even more so when the individual in question does not think that they have a problem. It's also worth noting that it can be linked to other mental disorders, such as psychopathology or bipolar disorder. However, some of the common symptoms in people with megalomaniacal disorders or megalomania are:- Delusional ideas
- Delusions of grandeur and superiority.
- Narcissism
- Socially, they may be well thought of and hold positions of power, like politicians, for example.
- Lack of empathy.
- Inferiority or superiority complex, depending on the case.[/l][/l][/l][/l]
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