Nobody can deny that having that kind of a real estate empire involves dealings with the American Syndicate, but not sure if that helps or hurts him. Judging from what I read in his supporters comments hear and other web sites, they would welcome a stronger forceful Executive Office that sends Lucky Luciano's out to break knee caps of those not complying.
And Joseph Kennedy had ties to bootleggers, and his son, JFK had ties to Sam Giancana, the former head of the Chicago crime syndicate. Allegations and speculation. Nothing concrete –no pun intended.
So what?
And Joseph Kennedy had ties to bootleggers, and his son, JFK had ties to Sam Giancana, the former head of the Chicago crime syndicate. Allegations and speculation. Nothing concrete –no pun intended.
So what?
So what?
So what as recently as 2009 he contributed to heavily Democrats and stated he relates better to Democrats.
So what the he has been married 3 times, with his latest a super model.
So what he has stated opposition to people owning ARs
So what he calls women he don't like fat pigs.
So what he has changed his mind on so many issues including immigration.
So what he supports single payer
so what, ...................
it's "so what" that had got us to this point. The Character of the person we elect means nothing anymore to the generation going up on reality TV, and people who have what I call cantankerous old fart syndrome. Looks like want mean people who force their will on others to get our so called conservative agenda passed. The ends justify the means, is in the Saul Alinsky game plan, not Ronald Reagan's.
I thought that we Conservatives support people with good character..
Judging from what I read in his supporters comments hear and other web sites, they would welcome a stronger forceful Executive Office that sends Lucky Luciano's out to break knee caps of those not complying.
Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC
Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC
Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC
t_s was just making an observation, a passing comment.
People are so anxious to jump on Trump that any tiny word or inflection triggers an attack response.
It's really amazing to watch.
It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO. It's sad.
All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming. Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.
OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY. :chairbang:
BULLETIN!!! You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense. PULLEEZE I'm begging you. STOP already!!
I post both pro and anti Trump. Have you noticed that?
So only pro trump postings are allowed now?? Kinda like they do at the TOS?? I'm not going to stop unless I'm banned from the place..
It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO. It's sad.
All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming. Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.
OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY. :chairbang:
BULLETIN!!! You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense. PULLEEZE I'm begging you. STOP already!!
Are the Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad?
It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO. It's sad.
All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming. Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.
OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY. :chairbang:
BULLETIN!!! You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense. PULLEEZE I'm begging you. STOP already!!
Sorry, Choir members, but this isn't "Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad". It's a heartfelt plea from a fellow poster imploring you to stop turning this Forum into a pale imitation of Daily Kos or DU. "Even Stormfront likes Trump". Seriously what kind of insanity is that? Just how far into the gutter will you crawl in your hatred of Trump?
Daily Kos or DU is exactly what TOS reminded me of. Mindless advocacy for the approved anti-establishment pol of the moment. Here we can voice our opposition to the idea of Donald Trump as our candidate. It is (as Trump's defenders would say) "refreshing"
Even Stormfront likes Trump: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1115113-16/
t_s was just making an observation, a passing comment.It's more than amazing AC, it's a form of mania.
People are so anxious to jump on Trump that any tiny word or inflection triggers an attack response.
It's really amazing to watch.
It's more than amazing AC, it's a form of mania.
If you say ANYTHING than isn't negative about Trump, you are automatically a "Trump supporter".
You can't reason with it, it's what they do, it's all they do, and they won't stop...EVER!!
(from the Terminator)
Strange but from where I sit it is exactly the opposite. No criticism is allowed of Trump no matter how stupid he sounds. Trump is going to right all the wrongs committed by the RINOs over the years and you best not even think of voting for Jeb or Grahamnesty.
I haven't heard any real, actual, criticism from you yet. "He's a poopie head" doesn't qualify as critical analysis.
When did I say that? It's much more likely that your hero would say that.
He's not my hero. He's a guy running for president, same as that heavyweight Jim Gilmore. ... Did you ever state who you favor, btw?
Who do I favor BTW? By the time I get to vote it's over same as EdinVa. I would love for someone to come out strong. Cruz..Walker..Rubio..followed by all the rest. They must be able to win. I would never vote for Trump. This country and the GOP may not be perfect but they deserve more respect than Trump has given. Trump as US president is an abomination.
It's more than amazing AC, it's a form of mania.I hear what your saying evadR2, and I'll be honest...Trump is all I want to talk about.
If you say ANYTHING than isn't negative about Trump, you are automatically a "Trump supporter".
You can't reason with it, it's what they do, it's all they do, and they won't stop...EVER!!
(from the Terminator)
I don't think Trump is disrespecting the country at all, in fact he IS American culture, crass consumerism and all. And as for the GOP, they and a few 'rat congressmen are in process of trying to "take Trump out."
What would you do if you were the target of a political take down?
Well, Trump has a -hehe- trump card. 3rd party. Reince Priebus can't handle Trump.
So that leaves us with a very determined, success oriented billionaire with his eye on the presidency.
Just an observation, I haven't declared, but Trump is used to getting what he wants. Just an observation, don't jump on me.
Trump could be our next president.
Strange but from where I sit it is exactly the opposite. No criticism is allowed of Trump no matter how stupid he sounds. Trump is going to right all the wrongs committed by the RINOs over the years and you best not even think of voting for Jeb or Grahamnesty.
Why would anyone vote for Jeb? He is openly pro-amnesty. Contrary to what the RINO's would have you believe he was a lousy governor involved in land-grab scams and is up to his ears in corruption. He appeals to those who believe that the Republican party establishment elite actually stands for something.
I don't think he represents all the wrong committed by the RINO's but rather by the Washington establishment or should I say Washington Cartel in general. His appeal isn't limited to the Republicans, he has the attention of the Independents and some DEMS as well. Politically correct he is not and many find that appealing.
I am not a huge Trump fan, but I would take my chances with him as president over Jeb any day.
That's what you'd be doing all right, taking your chances by voting for a Democrat, friend of Bill and Joker. Yes I would vote for Bush over Trump any day and be very proud of it.
The Bushes have rubbed elbows with the Clintons for years. Why aren't you upset about that?
The subset of millionaires is pretty small. When you get up to the billionaire category, those folks make hundreds of contacts by necessity of business, socializing etc...
Newt Gingrich made a commercial with Hillary Clinton on the beach, remember that one? I still respect Newt Gingrich, don't you?
For whatever it's worth here is my personal list of current republican candidates ranked in the order that I would actually vote if the election were held today!
• Scott Walker
• Ted Cruz
• Rick Perry
• Bobby Jindal
• Mike Huckabee
• Dr. Ben Carson
• Carly Fiorina
• Chris Christie
• Jeb Bush
• John Kasich
• Marco Rubio
• Rick Santorum
• Rand Paul
• Jim Gilmore
• Donald Trump
• Lindsey Graham
Looks good to me except I would switch the top 2.
That's what you'd be doing all right, taking your chances by voting for a Democrat, friend of Bill and Joker. Yes I would vote for Bush over Trump any day and be very proud of it.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNEYHPAWgAAze0j.jpg)
Yet we never see that photo of Jeb and Valerie Jarrett here, do we?What is stopping you? and who besides Luis supports Jeb?
Don't know how to post a pic so here ya go..
https://twitter.com/johncbussey/status/539566657841020929
Don't know how to post a pic so here ya go..
What has the anti-Trumpets is the fear of biting the hand that feeds them. George Will, proof as front and center. His wife is on Walker's payroll. The Washington Establishment, yes ESTABLISHMENT, sees the end of the gravy train and they ain't put up with it without a fight.
They get the rubes riled up with the immigration, pro-life, anti-bureaucracy talk, yet amazingly, nothing gets done. Glenn Back and his electrical piety choir meets to pray and then sacks the simpleminded for another $19.95/month to listen to his drivel. It's not LIVs, it's VWUs.
Jeb is a life long RINO. The illegal immigration population grew while he was governor and he did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Historically Florida has elected far more Democratic governors than Republican. He was defeated by Chiles , (who had never lost an election 40 years and stepped down after a heart attack) the first time he ran and Bush won the second time he ran against Buddy MacCay.
His stance on illegal immigration will sink him and the popularity of his "common core" education standards is just about as popular as Obamacare.
https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/jeb-bush#article-13
Jeb is a life long RINO. The illegal immigration population grew while he was governor and he did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Historically Florida has elected far more Democratic governors than Republican. He was defeated by Chiles , (who had never lost an election 40 years and stepped down after a heart attack) the first time he ran and Bush won the second time he ran against Buddy MacCay.
His stance on illegal immigration will sink him and the popularity of his "common core" education standards is just about as popular as Obamacare.
https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/jeb-bush#article-13
Jeb is pro-life.
Jed is pro 2A.
Jeb cut taxes in Florida more times than any other Governor, including first a reduction and then a repeal of the state's tax on personal assets such as investments, a rollback of a school property tax, a bigger property tax break for veterans, and a property tax exemption for child
care facilities. Jeb cut taxes every year that he was a Governor.
He reduced the size of government by reducing the government workforce by 13,000+ workers, with most of those jobs being either privatized, or cut altogether.
Jeb led the nation in the fight for school choice, and won. Florida's first-in-the-nation school choice program set the standard for school choice for the rest of the States. Jeb fought and defeated the unions and administrators that wanted to keep the status quo in place, and because of Jeb's fight Florida students benefited.
How did Jeb's governorship impact education in Florida?
-- In 1998, Florida’s fourth-graders scored at the bottom nationally in NAEP scores in reading and math. By 2009, they had scored above the national average in both categories.
-- Florida’s fourth-grade Hispanic students equaled or surpassed the performance of all students in 31 states.
-- Fourth-grade African American students in Florida outperform African American students in all but three states in NAEP math tests.
-- Low-income Florida elementary school students of all races rank near the top nationally in math.
-- High school graduation rates increased 21 percent, even as the requirements got tougher.
-- The number of African American and Latino students passing AP tests increased 365 percent.
Jeb is stridently pro life . In fact, on the issue of abortion, Jeb has the most conservative record of all candidates vying for the Republican nomination in 2016.
Jeb signed into law was legislation requiring that parents be notified before a minor's abortion, a bill prohibiting partial-birth abortion and a bill regulating the safety of abortion centers. Bush also championed "Choose Life" specialty license plates, the proceeds from which went to pro-life pregnancy centers in the state.
Bush opposed a ballot initiative that would have amended the state's constitution to provide $200 million over 10 years for embryonic stem cell research. And he pushed through a parental consent measure for contraception in school-based health centers. He also expanded funding for abstinence education.
Now, you seem to be one of those one-issue voters , but while you label Jeb a "RINO" because the illegal immigration population in Florida increased while he was g, I'd like to point out that the illegal alien population grew in every State, including in Texas while Ted Cruz was solicitor general, and no State government did much about it because State government are not Constitutionally empowered to do anything about immigration.
Jeb is no RINO.
You know how it goes Luis...Jeb tries to tell the truth about immigration and that's it..the xenophobes will not discuss things rationally and Jeb is announced a RINO. Trump will feed the lions for a while but that's all. In the end if he is elected he will have to deal with immigration in a rational way (if he is capable) because for one thing he's not going to be The Donald, he will be the actual leader of one of the two major parties in the US. Does anyone really think he's got what it takes for that?
Politics is the art of the possible.
It's a cute phrase I suppose but can you provide a meaningful example of what it means?
Crafting the US Constitution for one. We have two houses of Congress because our small states would not accept a Congress based on population and our large states would not accept an equal number of representatives regardless of population.
Same for the electoral college.
And the infamous 3/5ths compromise.
Just to name three off the top of my head.
It's a cute phrase I suppose but can you provide a meaningful example of what it means?
Ok..I get it..an inside joke? I was unfamiliar with the phrase and was thinking he was applying it to the rise of political personalities in history.
Ronald Reagan and "Tip" O'Neill.
???
It's a pretty stock definition of politics.
It is attributed to Bismarck.
'Die Politik ist die Lehre vom Möglichen.'
Politics is the art of the possible.
And it is core to realpolitik.
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It's a pretty stock definition of politics.
It is attributed to Bismarck.
'Die Politik ist die Lehre vom Möglichen.'
Politics is the art of the possible.
And it is core to realpolitik.
Ronald Reagan spent a long, long time establishing himself as head of his party. What about "Tip"? He did not?
The relationship between Reagan and O'Neill is a case study in the art of the possible when bipartisanship and real government is the goal of our leaders in government.
We are now in an era where the obvious goal of both factions in government is to rule over the other side.
Jeb is pro-life.
Jed is pro 2A.
Jeb cut taxes in Florida more times...
Jeb is no RINO.
The problems with Jeb Bush aren't that he's a RINO...he's not. The problems are that he's so bland that they are going to have to change the listed ingredients of milk-toast to include his DNA. The man makes Edmund Muskie look like the life of the party. He gives a bad name to wallflowers. The second is that he's next in the dynasty...I don't know many even here enthused about going back to that well.
The problems with Jeb Bush aren't that he's a RINO...he's not. The problems are that he's so bland that they are going to have to change the listed ingredients of milk-toast to include his DNA. The man makes Edmund Muskie look like the life of the party. He gives a bad name to wallflowers. The second is that he's next in the dynasty...I don't know many even here enthused about going back to that well.
It's a hard point to argue against. If Jeb actually wants to win he needs to start showing it now and to Hell with the "good old days".
Come on, I tend to idolize the past but Reagan and Tip?
So, when we didn't have someone with solid conservative bona fides, that was the problem.
Now that there is someone with a solid conservative record as a Governor, there's a whole new problem.
If a commitment to life, the Second Amendment, tax cuts, a reduction in the size of government and a record of empowering local school boards while taking control of schools away from unions by a candidate isn't enough to fit the bill, what is?
Come on, I tend to idolize the past but Reagan and Tip?
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/lawmaker-news/235409-how-ronald-reagan-and-tip-oneill-would-make-this-congress
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3ztBDVCEAAXzDT.jpg)LUIS, THIS ONE IS FOR YOU AND JETHRO BOOOSH !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kgqyWmD9LQ
So, when we didn't have someone with solid conservative bona fides, that was the problem.
Now that there is someone with a solid conservative record as a Governor, there's a whole new problem.
If a commitment to life, the Second Amendment, tax cuts, a reduction in the size of government and a record of empowering local school boards while taking control of schools away from unions by a candidate isn't enough to fit the bill, what is?
If that candidate is as dull as a box of socks...yes, that's a problem. Calvin Coolidge was elected before even radio. Bush is walking sominex.
Wow, you don't post here very often, but when you do they're worthless.
Say Hi! to everyone back at TOS.
Yep. But remember, Jeb is a lifelong Republican--just like Mitch McConnell.Ya know who wasn't bland? Fidel Castro, Vladimir Lenin, Maximilien Robespierre, and Che Guevara.
With about a tenth of the energy. And just as likely to go along with the Dems.
If that candidate is as dull as a box of socks...yes, that's a problem. Calvin Coolidge was elected before even radio. Bush is walking sominex.
So, you don't want to pick a POTUS based on their credentials, their accomplishments, their visible ideological traits of their record.
You want to be entertained.
Why don't we just do an American Idol competition for POTUS?
I dont think the American people are going to elect someone that they can't relate to in any way...who doesn't bring something that they can connect with. Obama would never have beaten either McCain or Romney if credentials and accomplishments were enough. We can keep doing the same thing - nominating a blue-blood establishment milk-toast dullard - and expecting a different result I suppose. But then to have the name "Bush" along with it? We KNOW as well as anything can be known that another Bush is not going to be elected.
So, you don't want to pick a POTUS based on their credentials, their accomplishments, their visible ideological traits of their record.
You want to be entertained.
Why don't we just do an American Idol competition for POTUS?
Luis, my friend, you need to face it. Elections for candidates for POTUS are American Idol competitions and have been since JFK at the least.
Take a good look at the current 17. All of those who have actually committed to policy - between the furthest apart you might be able to squeeze a business card on most issues (I said most, not all!!!).
If you really want to know who is going to win the nom, pick the tallest candidate with the best hair. You've got a ridiculously high chance of being right.
In 2008, Hillary had her best chance to go all the way to the nomination. She had the inside track. But, then came along this young unknown black upstart with a funny Middle Eastern name. Barack Hussein Obama.
Does anyone here really think Obama took the nomination from Hillay because of his superior resume and policy bona fides?
No, he won because of intangibles. That's politics.
A very sizeable number of Democrats has never trusted Clinton and were looking for a way to vote against her. Obama was the perfect opportunity. I guess Trump is the Reublican's Obama and Jeb its Hillary.