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Title: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 22, 2015, 01:05:20 pm

Donald Trump's glittering empire of New York skyscrapers and Atlantic City casinos have long had a darker side, allegations that the mob helped build them.


Trump's alleged ties to New York and Philadelphia crime families go back decades and have been recounted in a book, newspapers and government records.


"The mob connections of Donald are extraordinarily extensive," New York investigative journalist Wayne Barrett told CNN in an interview.


Barrett, the author of the 1992 unauthorized biography "Trump: The Deals and the Downfall," wrote that Trump's life "intertwines with the underworld."


The allegations are getting new scrutiny as Trump runs for president, largely on his record as a successful, and extraordinarily wealthy, businessman. As Trump cements his leads atop the polls, questions about how he made his billions, and who helped him make them, are starting to take center stage.


A Trump spokesperson did not respond to multiple requests for comment on this story.


To be sure, organized crime had ties to the New York and New Jersey construction industry in the 1980's and early 1990's, making contact between developers and mafia-controlled companies almost unavoidable at times.


"There was a certain amount of mob association during which the father and he were building, which was very difficult to avoid in the New York construction world," Barrett said, adding, "He went out of his way not to avoid them, but to increase them."


In a recent Federalist article, David Marcus writes that Trump bought the property that his Atlantic City casino Trump Plaza would one day occupy -- for twice market price -- from Salvatore Testa, a Philly mobster and son of one-time Philly mob boss Philip "Chicken Man" Testa. (Springsteen fans might recognize the elder Testa from the opening lines of the song, Atlantic City.)


In his book, Barrett writes that Testa and a partner, who together headed a Philly mafia hit-squad called the Young Executioners, bought the property for "a scant $195,000" in 1977. In 1982, Trump paid $1.1 million for it.


"The $220 per square foot that Trump paid for the Testa property was the second most expensive purchase he made on the block, even though it was one of the first parcels he bought," Barrett wrote.


The casino was built with the help of two construction companies controlled by Philly mobsters Nicademo "Little Nicky" Scarfo and his nephew Phillip "Crazy Phil" Leonetti, according to, as Marcus notes, a New Jersey state commission's 1986 report on organized crime.


Trump also had a decade-long relationship with Scarfo's investment banker, according to Barrett's book.


In Manhattan, Trump used the mob-controlled concrete company S&A to build Trump Plaza condos. Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno, head of the Genovese crime family, and Paul Castellano, the don of New York's Gambino family, controlled S&A, according to federal court records Barrett cited in his book.


Barrett noted that he built the Trump Tower out of concrete, instead of steel, at a time when the mafia controlled much the concrete industry.


"While dealing with the concrete cartel was inevitable for any developer in the period when Trump Tower was built, Donald took the relationship several steps further than he had to," Barrett wrote.


In a Philadelphia Inquirer article from the time the book was published, reporter David Cay Johnston summed up Barrrett's unauthorized biography, writing that it "asserts that throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates."


Trump was a target of a 1979 bribery investigation and was questioned in a 1981 racketeering probe, but neither federal investigation led to criminal charges, Johnston wrote.


More recently, Johnston, a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, wrote an article called "21 Questions for Donald Trump" where he asked, "Why did you use concrete instead of steel girders" to build the 58-story Trump Tower?


Source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/

Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 22, 2015, 02:14:00 pm
Nobody can deny that having that kind of a real estate empire involves dealings with the American Syndicate, but not sure if that helps or hurts him.  Judging from what I read in his supporters comments hear and other web sites, they would welcome a stronger forceful Executive Office that sends Lucky Luciano's out to  break knee caps of those not complying.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 22, 2015, 02:15:08 pm
Nobody can deny that having that kind of a real estate empire involves dealings with the American Syndicate, but not sure if that helps or hurts him.  Judging from what I read in his supporters comments hear and other web sites, they would welcome a stronger forceful Executive Office that sends Lucky Luciano's out to  break knee caps of those not complying.


Never mind the Constitution says otherwise..
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 22, 2015, 02:17:37 pm
That might explain why he talks like a thug anyway.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: aligncare on August 22, 2015, 02:34:36 pm
And Joseph Kennedy had ties to bootleggers, and his son, JFK had ties to Sam Giancana, the former head of the Chicago crime syndicate. Allegations and speculation. Nothing concrete –no pun intended.

So what?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 22, 2015, 02:42:13 pm
And Joseph Kennedy had ties to bootleggers, and his son, JFK had ties to Sam Giancana, the former head of the Chicago crime syndicate. Allegations and speculation. Nothing concrete –no pun intended.

So what?

If Trump's level of involvement is at Joe Kennedy's level it's a lot more than "so what?".
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Longiron on August 22, 2015, 04:06:19 pm
And Joseph Kennedy had ties to bootleggers, and his son, JFK had ties to Sam Giancana, the former head of the Chicago crime syndicate. Allegations and speculation. Nothing concrete –no pun intended.

So what?

And guess Harry Reid dropped that bar bell on his eye?? No, his brother in law beat him up, NO. Maybe Harry did not come through with a promise and the and the SILENT people of Vegas decided to get a message out to Harry???. Their is no MOB??? they are all in Gov't that is where the money is at. The mob is getting smarter. They did not take Harry out just wounded him for life?. If they take him out their is a FED investigation this way he is reminded DAILY who owns HIM. :amen:
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 22, 2015, 06:27:48 pm
So what?

So what as recently as 2009 he contributed to heavily Democrats and stated he relates better to Democrats.
So what the he has been married 3 times, with his latest a super model.
So what he has stated opposition to people owning ARs
So what he calls women he don't like fat pigs.
So what he has changed his mind on so many issues including immigration.
So what he supports single payer
so what, ...................

it's "so what" that had got us to this point. The Character of the person we elect means nothing anymore to the generation going up on reality TV, and people who have what I call cantankerous old fart syndrome. Looks like  want mean  people who force their will on others to get our so called conservative agenda passed. The ends justify the means, is in the Saul Alinsky game plan, not  Ronald Reagan's. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 22, 2015, 08:27:48 pm
So what as recently as 2009 he contributed to heavily Democrats and stated he relates better to Democrats.
So what the he has been married 3 times, with his latest a super model.
So what he has stated opposition to people owning ARs
So what he calls women he don't like fat pigs.
So what he has changed his mind on so many issues including immigration.
So what he supports single payer
so what, ...................

it's "so what" that had got us to this point. The Character of the person we elect means nothing anymore to the generation going up on reality TV, and people who have what I call cantankerous old fart syndrome. Looks like  want mean  people who force their will on others to get our so called conservative agenda passed. The ends justify the means, is in the Saul Alinsky game plan, not  Ronald Reagan's.


I thought that we Conservatives support people with good character..
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 22, 2015, 08:31:48 pm
Even Stormfront likes Trump: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1115113-16/
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 22, 2015, 08:38:09 pm

I thought that we Conservatives support people with good character..

Romney was pro-choice in 1994, but in spite of the fact that he "evolved" on the issue to pro-life, that wasn't good enough for conservatives.

Trump is still pro-choice, but he's the conservative's choice.

Romney enacted Romneycare when 98% of his State legislators and nearly 80% of the people in the State wanted it (a case study in Federalism) but that disqualified him in the eyes of conservatives and made him a RINO. 

Trump believes in a single-payer health care system for the nation. IOW, federally-controlled socialized medicine (Hillarycare on steroids) but he's the conservative's choice.

Conservatism has evolved into something that's moved away from its traditional tenets of small government and individual freedoms, into something closer to angry antiestablishmentarianism.

Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: truth_seeker on August 22, 2015, 08:42:02 pm
Judging from what I read in his supporters comments hear and other web sites, they would welcome a stronger forceful Executive Office that sends Lucky Luciano's out to  break knee caps of those not complying.

Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 22, 2015, 08:48:10 pm
Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC

And?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 22, 2015, 08:48:40 pm
Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC


So what???
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: aligncare on August 22, 2015, 08:54:16 pm
t_s was just making an observation, a passing comment.

People are so anxious to jump on Trump that any tiny word or inflection triggers an attack response.

It's really amazing to watch.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 22, 2015, 08:55:16 pm
Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC

Actually the way I understand it the mob got the best of the deal.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: DCPatriot on August 22, 2015, 09:06:13 pm
t_s was just making an observation, a passing comment.

People are so anxious to jump on Trump that any tiny word or inflection triggers an attack response.

It's really amazing to watch.

It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO.  It's sad.

All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming.   Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.

OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY.   :chairbang:

BULLETIN!!!  You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense.  PULLEEZE  I'm begging you.  STOP already!!
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 22, 2015, 09:12:40 pm
It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO.  It's sad.

All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming.   Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.

OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY.   :chairbang:

BULLETIN!!!  You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense.  PULLEEZE  I'm begging you.  STOP already!!


So only pro trump postings are allowed now?? Kinda like they do at the TOS?? I'm not going to stop unless I'm banned from the place..
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: truth_seeker on August 22, 2015, 09:21:06 pm

So only pro trump postings are allowed now?? Kinda like they do at the TOS?? I'm not going to stop unless I'm banned from the place..
I post both pro and anti Trump. Have you noticed that?

And when I mentioned Luciano, working (correctly) from memory, the least others could do is google it and learn something for a change.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 22, 2015, 09:23:09 pm
It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO.  It's sad.

All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming.   Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.

OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY.   :chairbang:

BULLETIN!!!  You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense.  PULLEEZE  I'm begging you.  STOP already!!

Are the Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: kevindavis007 on August 22, 2015, 10:13:01 pm
Are the Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad?

I think so 
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Paladin on August 22, 2015, 10:40:39 pm
It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO.  It's sad.

All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming.   Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.

OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY.   :chairbang:

BULLETIN!!!  You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense.  PULLEEZE  I'm begging you.  STOP already!!

Sorry, Choir members, but this isn't "Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad". It's a heartfelt plea from a fellow poster imploring you to stop turning this Forum into a pale imitation of Daily Kos or DU. "Even Stormfront likes Trump". Seriously what kind of insanity is that? Just how far into the gutter will you crawl in your hatred of Trump?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 22, 2015, 10:51:39 pm
Sorry, Choir members, but this isn't "Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad". It's a heartfelt plea from a fellow poster imploring you to stop turning this Forum into a pale imitation of Daily Kos or DU. "Even Stormfront likes Trump". Seriously what kind of insanity is that? Just how far into the gutter will you crawl in your hatred of Trump?

Daily Kos or DU is exactly what TOS reminded me of.  Mindless advocacy for the approved anti-establishment pol of the moment.  Here we can voice our opposition to the idea of Donald Trump as our candidate.  It is (as Trump's defenders would say) "refreshing"
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: DCPatriot on August 22, 2015, 11:48:19 pm
Daily Kos or DU is exactly what TOS reminded me of.  Mindless advocacy for the approved anti-establishment pol of the moment.  Here we can voice our opposition to the idea of Donald Trump as our candidate.  It is (as Trump's defenders would say) "refreshing"

You honestly used to post on a myriad of topics and subjects, but it's like you the Walking Dead.  The only thing that keeps you moving is "Trump".

I cannot remember the last thread you got into that wasn't about Trump.   

And it's the same for the other members of your band of desperados.

Please don't tell you're all gonna be one-trick ponies like this all through the campaign season.  It's boorish.  And unbecoming of such gentlemen with your stature and intellect.     :laugh:
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Godzilla on August 23, 2015, 01:18:42 am
Even Stormfront likes Trump: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1115113-16/

Of course they are.  Deporting 11 million dirty brown 'spics' is a wet-dream for that crowd.  So is the call for ending birthright citizenship.  After all, just how much ink has been spilled on the menace of those Canadians that overstay their visas?  Or any children they may have here.

Little to none, that's how much.

It's amazing how much closer to Stormfront the radical right has gotten on racial, ethnic, and religious issues. 

The 'Gibmedats'... buncha animals!  Hispanics raus - Festung Amerika!  War on Christmas!  Israel gets what it deserves - Jews vote Democrat!

Sound familiar?

Frankly, the most recent talk about Hispanics has been eerily close to the talk about how eastern European immigrants were destroying America back in the 1900-1910s.  Not to mention the Chinese Exclusion act dealing with Chinese immigrants.

(http://www.resist.com/updates/2008/NOV_08/WetbackOut.JPG)
(https://mondoprinte.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/716_ausweisung_aller_juden.jpeg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: evadR on August 23, 2015, 03:06:58 am
t_s was just making an observation, a passing comment.

People are so anxious to jump on Trump that any tiny word or inflection triggers an attack response.

It's really amazing to watch.
It's more than amazing AC, it's a form of mania.
If you say ANYTHING than isn't negative about Trump, you are automatically a "Trump supporter".
You can't reason with it, it's what they do, it's all they do, and they won't stop...EVER!!
(from the Terminator)
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 03:25:20 am
It's more than amazing AC, it's a form of mania.
If you say ANYTHING than isn't negative about Trump, you are automatically a "Trump supporter".
You can't reason with it, it's what they do, it's all they do, and they won't stop...EVER!!
(from the Terminator)

Strange but from where I sit it is exactly the opposite.  No criticism is allowed of Trump no matter how stupid he sounds.  Trump is going to right all the wrongs committed by the RINOs over the years and you best not even think of voting for Jeb or Grahamnesty.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: aligncare on August 23, 2015, 03:45:59 am
Strange but from where I sit it is exactly the opposite.  No criticism is allowed of Trump no matter how stupid he sounds.  Trump is going to right all the wrongs committed by the RINOs over the years and you best not even think of voting for Jeb or Grahamnesty.

I haven't heard any real, actual, criticism from you yet. "He's a poopie head" doesn't qualify as critical analysis.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 03:48:25 am
I haven't heard any real, actual, criticism from you yet. "He's a poopie head" doesn't qualify as critical analysis.

When did I say that?  It's much more likely that your hero would say that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: aligncare on August 23, 2015, 03:57:53 am
When did I say that?  It's much more likely that your hero would say that.

He's not my hero. He's a guy running for president, same as that heavyweight Jim Gilmore. ... Did you ever state who you favor, btw?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 04:10:55 am
He's not my hero. He's a guy running for president, same as that heavyweight Jim Gilmore. ... Did you ever state who you favor, btw?

Who do I favor BTW?  By the time I get to vote it's over same as EdinVa.  I would love for someone to come out strong.  Cruz..Walker..Rubio..followed by all the rest.  They must be able to win. I would never vote for Trump.  This country and the GOP may not be perfect but they deserve more respect than Trump has given.  Trump as US president is an abomination.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: aligncare on August 23, 2015, 04:41:45 am
Who do I favor BTW?  By the time I get to vote it's over same as EdinVa.  I would love for someone to come out strong.  Cruz..Walker..Rubio..followed by all the rest.  They must be able to win. I would never vote for Trump.  This country and the GOP may not be perfect but they deserve more respect than Trump has given.  Trump as US president is an abomination.

I don't think Trump is disrespecting the country at all, in fact he IS American culture, crass consumerism and all. And as for the GOP, they and a few 'rat congressmen are in process of trying to "take Trump out."

What would you do if you were the target of a political take down?

Well, Trump has a -hehe- trump card. 3rd party. Reince Priebus can't handle Trump.

So that leaves us with a very determined, success oriented billionaire with his eye on the presidency.

Just an observation, I haven't declared, but Trump is used to getting what he wants. Just an observation, don't jump on me.

Trump could be our next president.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 23, 2015, 06:18:48 am
It's more than amazing AC, it's a form of mania.
If you say ANYTHING than isn't negative about Trump, you are automatically a "Trump supporter".
You can't reason with it, it's what they do, it's all they do, and they won't stop...EVER!!
(from the Terminator)
I hear what your saying evadR2, and I'll be honest...Trump is all I want to talk about.
I know I should be reading about Hillary's email, or ISIS, or PP...but Trump is all consuming, and I don't think that will change until Trump says something that offends his base of support (probably over immigration), and one of the other 17 candidates takes the lead.  I thought insulting McCain and American POWs, or Megan Kelly and women, or the GOP and Reagan would have done it...but eventually Trump will be an embarrassment to the right wing.  Dat how he do.

Hey kids!  Remember when Trump was polling at 26% in a crowed field back in April...of 2011?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/poll-donald-trump-beating-entire-gop-field-by-9-points

I've seen this show before.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: olde north church on August 23, 2015, 01:12:22 pm
I don't think Trump is disrespecting the country at all, in fact he IS American culture, crass consumerism and all. And as for the GOP, they and a few 'rat congressmen are in process of trying to "take Trump out."

What would you do if you were the target of a political take down?

Well, Trump has a -hehe- trump card. 3rd party. Reince Priebus can't handle Trump.

So that leaves us with a very determined, success oriented billionaire with his eye on the presidency.

Just an observation, I haven't declared, but Trump is used to getting what he wants. Just an observation, don't jump on me.

Trump could be our next president.

What has the anti-Trumpets is the fear of biting the hand that feeds them.  George Will, proof as front and center.  His wife is on Walker's payroll.  The Washington Establishment, yes ESTABLISHMENT, sees the end of the gravy train and they ain't put up with it without a fight.
They get the rubes riled up with the immigration, pro-life, anti-bureaucracy talk, yet amazingly, nothing gets done.  Glenn Back and his electrical piety choir meets to pray and then sacks the simpleminded for another $19.95/month to listen to his drivel.  It's not LIVs, it's VWUs.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: libertybele on August 23, 2015, 01:31:15 pm
Strange but from where I sit it is exactly the opposite.  No criticism is allowed of Trump no matter how stupid he sounds.  Trump is going to right all the wrongs committed by the RINOs over the years and you best not even think of voting for Jeb or Grahamnesty.

Why would anyone vote for Jeb?  He is openly pro-amnesty.  Contrary to what the RINO's would have you believe he was a lousy governor involved in land-grab scams and is up to his ears in corruption.  He appeals to those who believe that the Republican party establishment elite actually stands for something.

I don't think he represents all the wrong committed by the RINO's but rather by the Washington establishment or should I say Washington Cartel in general.  His appeal isn't limited to the Republicans, he has the attention of the Independents and some DEMS as well.  Politically correct he is not and many find that appealing.

I am not a huge Trump fan, but I would take my chances with him as president over Jeb any day.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 01:38:35 pm
Why would anyone vote for Jeb?  He is openly pro-amnesty.  Contrary to what the RINO's would have you believe he was a lousy governor involved in land-grab scams and is up to his ears in corruption.  He appeals to those who believe that the Republican party establishment elite actually stands for something.

I don't think he represents all the wrong committed by the RINO's but rather by the Washington establishment or should I say Washington Cartel in general.  His appeal isn't limited to the Republicans, he has the attention of the Independents and some DEMS as well.  Politically correct he is not and many find that appealing.

I am not a huge Trump fan, but I would take my chances with him as president over Jeb any day.

That's what you'd be doing all right, taking your chances by voting for a Democrat, friend of Bill and Joker.  Yes I would vote for Bush over Trump any day and be very proud of it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: aligncare on August 23, 2015, 01:54:39 pm
That's what you'd be doing all right, taking your chances by voting for a Democrat, friend of Bill and Joker.  Yes I would vote for Bush over Trump any day and be very proud of it.

The Bushes have rubbed elbows with the Clintons for years. Why aren't you upset about that?

The subset of millionaires is pretty small. When you get up to the billionaire category, those folks make hundreds of contacts by necessity of business, socializing etc...

Newt Gingrich made a commercial with Hillary Clinton on the beach, remember that one? I still respect Newt Gingrich, don't you?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 02:05:15 pm
For whatever it's worth here is my personal list of current republican candidates ranked in the order that I would actually vote if the election were held today!

 •  Scott Walker 

 •  Ted Cruz 
 • Rick Perry
 •  Bobby Jindal
 •  Mike Huckabee
 •  Dr. Ben Carson
 •  Carly Fiorina
 
   


•  Chris Christie
•  Jeb Bush
•  John Kasich
•  Marco Rubio
•  Rick Santorum
•  Rand Paul 
•  Jim Gilmore
•  Donald Trump 
•  Lindsey Graham


Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 02:10:48 pm
The Bushes have rubbed elbows with the Clintons for years. Why aren't you upset about that?

The subset of millionaires is pretty small. When you get up to the billionaire category, those folks make hundreds of contacts by necessity of business, socializing etc...

Newt Gingrich made a commercial with Hillary Clinton on the beach, remember that one? I still respect Newt Gingrich, don't you?

The Bushes and Gingrich have been much more reliably Republican than Trump in my opinion who would do about anything that advertises his name.  At least Gingrich never spouted that he would marry Obama.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 02:35:51 pm
Jeb Bush is a life-long Republican.

Donald Trump was a Democrat until a few years ago.

Jeb has always been stridently pro-life

Trump is pro-choice.

Jeb has always been a strong defender of the Second Amendment.

Trump believes in gun control.

Jeb cut taxes dozens of times as governor.

Trump openly supports higher taxes.

Ken opposes socialized medicine.

Trump supports single-payer health care.

Jeb reduced the size of government, created the nation's first school choice program, busted the teacher's union hold on education in the State and brought prosperity and wealth to Florida during his tenure.

Trump used eminent domain, paid off politicians and didn't pay his debts in order to increase his personal wealth.

Yeah...

Trump 2016...
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: evadR on August 23, 2015, 03:35:51 pm
For whatever it's worth here is my personal list of current republican candidates ranked in the order that I would actually vote if the election were held today!

 •  Scott Walker 

 •  Ted Cruz 
 • Rick Perry
 •  Bobby Jindal
 •  Mike Huckabee
 •  Dr. Ben Carson
 •  Carly Fiorina
 
   


•  Chris Christie
•  Jeb Bush
•  John Kasich
•  Marco Rubio
•  Rick Santorum
•  Rand Paul 
•  Jim Gilmore
•  Donald Trump 
•  Lindsey Graham

Looks good to me except I would switch the top 2.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: libertybele on August 23, 2015, 03:54:05 pm
Well, I think we can safely count out Perry, Paul, Jindal, Gilmore, Graham, Santorum and Christie.  They are polling very poorly and trailing in the polls. 

Bush and Rubio will be players for the long run; the establishment as wells as the RNC will continue to back them. They are their only hope.

I think Trump, Carson, Cruz, Walker Huckabee Fiorina, will continue to rise in the polls.  I'm no t so sure on Kasich.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 04:12:33 pm
Looks good to me except I would switch the top 2.

I don't actually get to vote until March 1, 2016 so that list is very much subject to change between now and then. I doubt that the names in the top tier will change but some of them may well be gone by then.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: libertybele on August 23, 2015, 04:26:40 pm
Jeb is a life long RINO.  The illegal immigration population grew while he was governor and he did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Historically Florida has elected far more Democratic governors than Republican. He was defeated by Chiles , (who had never lost an election 40 years and stepped down after a heart attack) the first time he ran and Bush won the second time he ran against Buddy MacCay.

His stance on illegal immigration will sink him and the popularity of his "common core" education standards is just about as popular as Obamacare.

https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/jeb-bush#article-13



Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 23, 2015, 05:39:14 pm
That's what you'd be doing all right, taking your chances by voting for a Democrat, friend of Bill and Joker.  Yes I would vote for Bush over Trump any day and be very proud of it.
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Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: olde north church on August 23, 2015, 07:57:50 pm
Yet we never see that photo of Jeb and Valerie Jarrett here, do we?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 23, 2015, 08:19:50 pm
Yet we never see that photo of Jeb and Valerie Jarrett here, do we?
What is stopping you? and who besides Luis supports Jeb?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: evadR on August 23, 2015, 08:42:01 pm
Don't know how to post a pic so here ya go..

https://twitter.com/johncbussey/status/539566657841020929
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: alicewonders on August 23, 2015, 08:58:22 pm
Don't know how to post a pic so here ya go..

https://twitter.com/johncbussey/status/539566657841020929

Here's the pic:

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John Bussey
‏@johncbussey
Valerie Jarrett, Rupert Murdoch, and Jeb Bush tonight at #WSJCEOCouncil

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Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: DCPatriot on August 23, 2015, 08:58:32 pm

Don't know how to post a pic so here ya go..


Right-click on desired image......choose "copy image location"....paste "image location link".... insert (http://in front of and) at end of image location link.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Godzilla on August 23, 2015, 09:02:34 pm
What has the anti-Trumpets is the fear of biting the hand that feeds them.  George Will, proof as front and center.  His wife is on Walker's payroll.  The Washington Establishment, yes ESTABLISHMENT, sees the end of the gravy train and they ain't put up with it without a fight.
They get the rubes riled up with the immigration, pro-life, anti-bureaucracy talk, yet amazingly, nothing gets done.  Glenn Back and his electrical piety choir meets to pray and then sacks the simpleminded for another $19.95/month to listen to his drivel.  It's not LIVs, it's VWUs.

I would highly refrain from using demeaning terminology like 'anti-trumpets'... as long as there is a call from Trump supporters to end the use of demeaning terms against lhem.

You might have heard of the concept.  "Do unto others as you have done unto you."
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Godzilla on August 23, 2015, 09:08:28 pm
Jeb is a life long RINO.  The illegal immigration population grew while he was governor and he did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Historically Florida has elected far more Democratic governors than Republican. He was defeated by Chiles , (who had never lost an election 40 years and stepped down after a heart attack) the first time he ran and Bush won the second time he ran against Buddy MacCay.

His stance on illegal immigration will sink him and the popularity of his "common core" education standards is just about as popular as Obamacare.

https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/jeb-bush#article-13

Jeb served two terms as the Florida governor.  State law limits politicians to two terms as governor.  Thus, Jeb did not lose to anyone.  Furthermore, it was Charlie Christ thqt followed Jeb.  And at the time, Christ was a Republican.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 09:12:12 pm
Jeb is a life long RINO.  The illegal immigration population grew while he was governor and he did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Historically Florida has elected far more Democratic governors than Republican. He was defeated by Chiles , (who had never lost an election 40 years and stepped down after a heart attack) the first time he ran and Bush won the second time he ran against Buddy MacCay.

His stance on illegal immigration will sink him and the popularity of his "common core" education standards is just about as popular as Obamacare.

https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/jeb-bush#article-13

Jeb is pro-life.

Jed is pro 2A.

Jeb cut taxes in Florida more times than any other Governor, including first a reduction and then a repeal of the state's tax on personal assets such as investments, a rollback of a school property tax, a bigger property tax break for veterans, and a property tax exemption for child care facilities. Jeb cut taxes every year that he was a Governor.

He reduced the size of government by reducing the government workforce by 13,000+ workers, with most of those jobs being either privatized, or cut altogether.

Jeb led the nation in the fight for school choice, and won. Florida's first-in-the-nation school choice program set the standard for school choice for the rest of the States. Jeb fought and defeated the unions and administrators that wanted to keep the status quo in place, and because of Jeb's fight Florida students benefited.

How did Jeb's governorship impact education in Florida?

-- In 1998, Florida’s fourth-graders scored at the bottom nationally in NAEP scores in reading and math. By 2009, they had scored above the national average in both categories.

-- Florida’s fourth-grade Hispanic students equaled or surpassed the performance of all students in 31 states.

-- Fourth-grade African American students in Florida outperform African American students in all but three states in NAEP math tests.

-- Low-income Florida elementary school students of all races rank near the top nationally in math.

-- High school graduation rates increased 21 percent, even as the requirements got tougher.

-- The number of African American and Latino students passing AP tests increased 365 percent.

Jeb is stridently pro life . In fact, on the issue of abortion, Jeb has the most conservative record of all candidates vying for the Republican nomination in 2016.

Jeb signed into law was legislation requiring that parents be notified before a minor's abortion, a bill prohibiting partial-birth abortion and a bill regulating the safety of abortion centers. Bush also championed "Choose Life" specialty license plates, the proceeds from which went to pro-life pregnancy centers in the state.

Bush opposed a ballot initiative that would have amended the state's constitution to provide $200 million over 10 years for embryonic stem cell research. And he pushed through a parental consent measure for contraception in school-based health centers. He also expanded funding for abstinence education.

Now, you seem to be one of those one-issue voters , but while you label Jeb a "RINO" because the illegal immigration population in Florida increased while he was g, I'd like to point out that the illegal alien population grew in every State, including in Texas while Ted Cruz was solicitor general, and no State government did much about it because State government are not Constitutionally empowered to do anything about immigration.

Jeb is no RINO.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 09:35:17 pm
Jeb is pro-life.

Jed is pro 2A.

Jeb cut taxes in Florida more times than any other Governor, including first a reduction and then a repeal of the state's tax on personal assets such as investments, a rollback of a school property tax, a bigger property tax break for veterans, and a property tax exemption for child
 care facilities. Jeb cut taxes every year that he was a Governor.

He reduced the size of government by reducing the government workforce by 13,000+ workers, with most of those jobs being either privatized, or cut altogether.

Jeb led the nation in the fight for school choice, and won. Florida's first-in-the-nation school choice program set the standard for school choice for the rest of the States. Jeb fought and defeated the unions and administrators that wanted to keep the status quo in place, and because of Jeb's fight Florida students benefited.

How did Jeb's governorship impact education in Florida?

-- In 1998, Florida’s fourth-graders scored at the bottom nationally in NAEP scores in reading and math. By 2009, they had scored above the national average in both categories.

-- Florida’s fourth-grade Hispanic students equaled or surpassed the performance of all students in 31 states.

-- Fourth-grade African American students in Florida outperform African American students in all but three states in NAEP math tests.

-- Low-income Florida elementary school students of all races rank near the top nationally in math.

-- High school graduation rates increased 21 percent, even as the requirements got tougher.

-- The number of African American and Latino students passing AP tests increased 365 percent.

Jeb is stridently pro life . In fact, on the issue of abortion, Jeb has the most conservative record of all candidates vying for the Republican nomination in 2016.

Jeb signed into law was legislation requiring that parents be notified before a minor's abortion, a bill prohibiting partial-birth abortion and a bill regulating the safety of abortion centers. Bush also championed "Choose Life" specialty license plates, the proceeds from which went to pro-life pregnancy centers in the state.

Bush opposed a ballot initiative that would have amended the state's constitution to provide $200 million over 10 years for embryonic stem cell research. And he pushed through a parental consent measure for contraception in school-based health centers. He also expanded funding for abstinence education.

Now, you seem to be one of those one-issue voters , but while you label Jeb a "RINO" because the illegal immigration population in Florida increased while he was g, I'd like to point out that the illegal alien population grew in every State, including in Texas while Ted Cruz was solicitor general, and no State government did much about it because State government are not Constitutionally empowered to do anything about immigration.

Jeb is no RINO.

You know how it goes Luis...Jeb tries to tell the truth about immigration and that's it..the xenophobes will not discuss things rationally and Jeb is announced a RINO.  Trump will feed the lions for a while but that's all.  In the end if he is elected he will have to deal with immigration in a rational way (if he is capable) because for one thing he's not going to be The Donald, he will be the actual leader of one of the two major parties in the US.  Does anyone really think he's got what it takes for that?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 09:38:34 pm
You know how it goes Luis...Jeb tries to tell the truth about immigration and that's it..the xenophobes will not discuss things rationally and Jeb is announced a RINO.  Trump will feed the lions for a while but that's all.  In the end if he is elected he will have to deal with immigration in a rational way (if he is capable) because for one thing he's not going to be The Donald, he will be the actual leader of one of the two major parties in the US.  Does anyone really think he's got what it takes for that?

Politics is the art of the possible.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 09:44:26 pm
Politics is the art of the possible.

It's a cute phrase I suppose but can you provide a meaningful example of what it means?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Godzilla on August 23, 2015, 09:51:04 pm
It's a cute phrase I suppose but can you provide a meaningful example of what it means?

Crafting the US Constitution for one.  We have two houses of Congress because our small states would not accept a Congress based on population and our large states would not accept an equal number of representatives regardless of population.

Same for the electoral college.

And the infamous 3/5ths compromise.

Just to name three off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 10:02:50 pm
Crafting the US Constitution for one.  We have two houses of Congress because our small states would not accept a Congress based on population and our large states would not accept an equal number of representatives regardless of population.

Same for the electoral college.

And the infamous 3/5ths compromise.

Just to name three off the top of my head.

Ok..I get it..an inside joke?  I was unfamiliar with the phrase and was thinking he was applying it to the rise of political personalities in history.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 10:04:11 pm
It's a cute phrase I suppose but can you provide a meaningful example of what it means?

Ronald Reagan and "Tip" O'Neill.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Godzilla on August 23, 2015, 10:09:01 pm
Ok..I get it..an inside joke?  I was unfamiliar with the phrase and was thinking he was applying it to the rise of political personalities in history.

???

It's a pretty stock definition of politics.

It is attributed to Bismarck.

'Die Politik ist die Lehre vom Möglichen.'
Politics is the art of the possible.

And it is core to realpolitik.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 10:11:23 pm
Ronald Reagan and "Tip" O'Neill.

Ronald Reagan spent a long, long time establishing himself as head of his party.  What about "Tip"?  He did not?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 10:13:40 pm
???

It's a pretty stock definition of politics.

It is attributed to Bismarck.

'Die Politik ist die Lehre vom Möglichen.'
Politics is the art of the possible.

And it is core to realpolitik.

Well ok fine.  I was asking how it applies to Trump?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 10:20:29 pm
???

It's a pretty stock definition of politics.

It is attributed to Bismarck.

'Die Politik ist die Lehre vom Möglichen.'
Politics is the art of the possible.

And it is core to realpolitik.

This is bizarre come to think of it.  If there are two men more unlike than Trump and Bismark I can't imagine them.  Also if there was a man who displayed that politics is "the art of the possible" it wasn't Bismark.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 10:33:55 pm
Ronald Reagan spent a long, long time establishing himself as head of his party.  What about "Tip"?  He did not?

The relationship between Reagan and O'Neill is a case study in the art of the possible when bipartisanship and real government is the goal of our leaders in government.

We are now in an era where the obvious goal of both factions in government is to rule over the other side. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 10:42:18 pm
The relationship between Reagan and O'Neill is a case study in the art of the possible when bipartisanship and real government is the goal of our leaders in government.

We are now in an era where the obvious goal of both factions in government is to rule over the other side.

Come on, I tend to idolize the past but Reagan and Tip?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Scottftlc on August 23, 2015, 10:57:33 pm
Jeb is pro-life.

Jed is pro 2A.

Jeb cut taxes in Florida more times...

Jeb is no RINO.

The problems with Jeb Bush aren't that he's a RINO...he's not.  The problems are that he's so bland that they are going to have to change the listed ingredients of milk-toast to include his DNA. The man makes Edmund Muskie look like the life of the party.  He gives a bad name to wallflowers.  The second is that he's next in the dynasty...I don't know many even here enthused about going back to that well.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 23, 2015, 11:05:16 pm
The problems with Jeb Bush aren't that he's a RINO...he's not.  The problems are that he's so bland that they are going to have to change the listed ingredients of milk-toast to include his DNA. The man makes Edmund Muskie look like the life of the party.  He gives a bad name to wallflowers.  The second is that he's next in the dynasty...I don't know many even here enthused about going back to that well.

It's a hard point to argue against.  If Jeb actually wants to win he needs to start showing it now and to Hell with the "good old days".
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 11:44:34 pm
The problems with Jeb Bush aren't that he's a RINO...he's not.  The problems are that he's so bland that they are going to have to change the listed ingredients of milk-toast to include his DNA. The man makes Edmund Muskie look like the life of the party.  He gives a bad name to wallflowers.  The second is that he's next in the dynasty...I don't know many even here enthused about going back to that well.

So, when we didn't have someone with solid conservative bona fides, that was the problem.

Now that there is someone with a solid conservative record as a Governor, there's a whole new problem.

If a commitment to life, the Second Amendment, tax cuts, a reduction in the size of government and a record of empowering local school boards while taking control of schools away from unions by a candidate isn't enough to fit the bill, what is?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 11:46:13 pm
It's a hard point to argue against.  If Jeb actually wants to win he needs to start showing it now and to Hell with the "good old days".

So, your advice is for Jeb to walk away from talking about his record as a solid conservative, and join the Trump freak show?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 11:47:17 pm
Come on, I tend to idolize the past but Reagan and Tip?

You need to do some reading.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2015, 11:48:06 pm
So, when we didn't have someone with solid conservative bona fides, that was the problem.

Now that there is someone with a solid conservative record as a Governor, there's a whole new problem.

If a commitment to life, the Second Amendment, tax cuts, a reduction in the size of government and a record of empowering local school boards while taking control of schools away from unions by a candidate isn't enough to fit the bill, what is?

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Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 23, 2015, 11:49:51 pm
Come on, I tend to idolize the past but Reagan and Tip?

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/lawmaker-news/235409-how-ronald-reagan-and-tip-oneill-would-make-this-congress
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 24, 2015, 12:03:49 am
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/lawmaker-news/235409-how-ronald-reagan-and-tip-oneill-would-make-this-congress

I remember Tip insulting Reagan openly and often.  At the time Republicans had been out of power in congress for about 50 years. Reagan treated Tip with much more respect than he deserved.  I think at this time we have no need to treat the Dems as if Harry Reid was only treating us the way we deserved to be treated, unless Bismark can prove it is for our own good in the end of course.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: IZZY ANN on August 24, 2015, 12:15:37 am


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LUIS, THIS ONE IS FOR YOU AND JETHRO BOOOSH !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kgqyWmD9LQ
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 24, 2015, 03:26:37 am

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LUIS, THIS ONE IS FOR YOU AND JETHRO BOOOSH !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kgqyWmD9LQ

Wow, you don't post here very often, but when you do they're worthless.

Say Hi! to everyone back at TOS.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Scottftlc on August 24, 2015, 03:59:39 am
So, when we didn't have someone with solid conservative bona fides, that was the problem.

Now that there is someone with a solid conservative record as a Governor, there's a whole new problem.

If a commitment to life, the Second Amendment, tax cuts, a reduction in the size of government and a record of empowering local school boards while taking control of schools away from unions by a candidate isn't enough to fit the bill, what is?

If that candidate is as dull as a box of socks...yes, that's a problem. Calvin Coolidge was elected before even radio.  Bush is walking sominex.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: famousdayandyear on August 24, 2015, 04:05:00 am
If that candidate is as dull as a box of socks...yes, that's a problem. Calvin Coolidge was elected before even radio.  Bush is walking sominex.

Yep.  But remember, Jeb is a lifelong Republican--just like Mitch McConnell.
With about a tenth of the energy.  And just as likely to go along with the Dems.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: IZZY ANN on August 24, 2015, 04:54:49 am
Wow, you don't post here very often, but when you do they're worthless.

Say Hi! to everyone back at TOS.

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ohhhh big muscle man Luis ....loves the Booosh !!!!!!!
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 24, 2015, 04:55:43 am
Yep.  But remember, Jeb is a lifelong Republican--just like Mitch McConnell.
With about a tenth of the energy.  And just as likely to go along with the Dems.
Ya know who wasn't bland?  Fidel Castro, Vladimir Lenin, Maximilien Robespierre, and Che Guevara.

and it is funny you mention go along with the rats.

Trump went along with Bill Clinton when Clinton told him to run.  He went along with $100,000 for Hillary.  He went along with big bucks for other rats.  He believes rats give us the best economy.  He likes gun control, PP, and single payer healthcare.  He went along with Obama and attacked Romney as too mean to illegals in 2012. 

Looks like real conservatives like that kind of stuff.  Its got Pizzazz!
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 24, 2015, 05:39:53 am
If that candidate is as dull as a box of socks...yes, that's a problem. Calvin Coolidge was elected before even radio.  Bush is walking sominex.

So, you don't want to pick a POTUS based on their credentials, their accomplishments, their visible ideological traits of their record.

You want to be entertained.

Why don't we just do an American Idol competition for POTUS?
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Scottftlc on August 24, 2015, 06:23:43 am
So, you don't want to pick a POTUS based on their credentials, their accomplishments, their visible ideological traits of their record.

You want to be entertained.

Why don't we just do an American Idol competition for POTUS?

I dont think the American people are going to elect someone that they can't relate to in any way...who doesn't bring something that they can connect with.  Obama would never have beaten either McCain or Romney if credentials and accomplishments were enough.  We can keep doing the same thing - nominating a blue-blood establishment milk-toast dullard - and expecting a different result I suppose.  But then to have the name "Bush" along with it?  We KNOW as well as anything can be known that another Bush is not going to be elected.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on August 24, 2015, 06:38:43 am
I dont think the American people are going to elect someone that they can't relate to in any way...who doesn't bring something that they can connect with.  Obama would never have beaten either McCain or Romney if credentials and accomplishments were enough.  We can keep doing the same thing - nominating a blue-blood establishment milk-toast dullard - and expecting a different result I suppose.  But then to have the name "Bush" along with it?  We KNOW as well as anything can be known that another Bush is not going to be elected.

Or we can elect an Obama of our own.

Who needs that?

The Chinese have a mean curse: "May you live in interesting times."

I've had enough "interesting times" to last me a lifetime these past seven years.

I like the idea of a little bit of boredom.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: EC on August 24, 2015, 08:33:46 am
So, you don't want to pick a POTUS based on their credentials, their accomplishments, their visible ideological traits of their record.

You want to be entertained.

Why don't we just do an American Idol competition for POTUS?

Luis, my friend, you need to face it. Elections for candidates for POTUS are American Idol competitions and have been since JFK at the least.

Take a good look at the current 17. All of those who have actually committed to policy - between the furthest apart you might be able to squeeze a business card on most issues (I said most, not all!!!).

If you really want to know who is going to win the nom, pick the tallest candidate with the best hair. You've got a ridiculously high chance of being right.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: aligncare on August 24, 2015, 10:34:37 am
Luis, my friend, you need to face it. Elections for candidates for POTUS are American Idol competitions and have been since JFK at the least.

Take a good look at the current 17. All of those who have actually committed to policy - between the furthest apart you might be able to squeeze a business card on most issues (I said most, not all!!!).

If you really want to know who is going to win the nom, pick the tallest candidate with the best hair. You've got a ridiculously high chance of being right.

In 2008, Hillary had her best chance to go all the way to the nomination. She had the inside track. But, then came along this young unknown black upstart with a funny Middle Eastern name. Barack Hussein Obama.

Does anyone here really think Obama took the nomination from Hillay because of his superior resume and policy bona fides?

No, he won because of intangibles. That's politics.

Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: bkepley on August 24, 2015, 10:44:55 am
In 2008, Hillary had her best chance to go all the way to the nomination. She had the inside track. But, then came along this young unknown black upstart with a funny Middle Eastern name. Barack Hussein Obama.

Does anyone here really think Obama took the nomination from Hillay because of his superior resume and policy bona fides?

No, he won because of intangibles. That's politics.

A very sizeable number of Democrats has never trusted Clinton and were looking for a way to vote against her.  Obama was the perfect opportunity.  I guess Trump is the Reublican's Obama and Jeb its Hillary.
Title: Re: Donald Trump and the mob
Post by: aligncare on August 24, 2015, 10:49:12 am
A very sizeable number of Democrats has never trusted Clinton and were looking for a way to vote against her.  Obama was the perfect opportunity.  I guess Trump is the Reublican's Obama and Jeb its Hillary.

In light of the events of the last seven years, who's to say that Hillary would not have been less destructive of American society than Hussein?