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Donald Trump and the mob
« on: August 22, 2015, 01:05:20 pm »

Donald Trump's glittering empire of New York skyscrapers and Atlantic City casinos have long had a darker side, allegations that the mob helped build them.


Trump's alleged ties to New York and Philadelphia crime families go back decades and have been recounted in a book, newspapers and government records.


"The mob connections of Donald are extraordinarily extensive," New York investigative journalist Wayne Barrett told CNN in an interview.


Barrett, the author of the 1992 unauthorized biography "Trump: The Deals and the Downfall," wrote that Trump's life "intertwines with the underworld."


The allegations are getting new scrutiny as Trump runs for president, largely on his record as a successful, and extraordinarily wealthy, businessman. As Trump cements his leads atop the polls, questions about how he made his billions, and who helped him make them, are starting to take center stage.


A Trump spokesperson did not respond to multiple requests for comment on this story.


To be sure, organized crime had ties to the New York and New Jersey construction industry in the 1980's and early 1990's, making contact between developers and mafia-controlled companies almost unavoidable at times.


"There was a certain amount of mob association during which the father and he were building, which was very difficult to avoid in the New York construction world," Barrett said, adding, "He went out of his way not to avoid them, but to increase them."


In a recent Federalist article, David Marcus writes that Trump bought the property that his Atlantic City casino Trump Plaza would one day occupy -- for twice market price -- from Salvatore Testa, a Philly mobster and son of one-time Philly mob boss Philip "Chicken Man" Testa. (Springsteen fans might recognize the elder Testa from the opening lines of the song, Atlantic City.)


In his book, Barrett writes that Testa and a partner, who together headed a Philly mafia hit-squad called the Young Executioners, bought the property for "a scant $195,000" in 1977. In 1982, Trump paid $1.1 million for it.


"The $220 per square foot that Trump paid for the Testa property was the second most expensive purchase he made on the block, even though it was one of the first parcels he bought," Barrett wrote.


The casino was built with the help of two construction companies controlled by Philly mobsters Nicademo "Little Nicky" Scarfo and his nephew Phillip "Crazy Phil" Leonetti, according to, as Marcus notes, a New Jersey state commission's 1986 report on organized crime.


Trump also had a decade-long relationship with Scarfo's investment banker, according to Barrett's book.


In Manhattan, Trump used the mob-controlled concrete company S&A to build Trump Plaza condos. Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno, head of the Genovese crime family, and Paul Castellano, the don of New York's Gambino family, controlled S&A, according to federal court records Barrett cited in his book.


Barrett noted that he built the Trump Tower out of concrete, instead of steel, at a time when the mafia controlled much the concrete industry.


"While dealing with the concrete cartel was inevitable for any developer in the period when Trump Tower was built, Donald took the relationship several steps further than he had to," Barrett wrote.


In a Philadelphia Inquirer article from the time the book was published, reporter David Cay Johnston summed up Barrrett's unauthorized biography, writing that it "asserts that throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates."


Trump was a target of a 1979 bribery investigation and was questioned in a 1981 racketeering probe, but neither federal investigation led to criminal charges, Johnston wrote.


More recently, Johnston, a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, wrote an article called "21 Questions for Donald Trump" where he asked, "Why did you use concrete instead of steel girders" to build the 58-story Trump Tower?


Source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/

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Re: Donald Trump and the mob
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2015, 02:14:00 pm »
Nobody can deny that having that kind of a real estate empire involves dealings with the American Syndicate, but not sure if that helps or hurts him.  Judging from what I read in his supporters comments hear and other web sites, they would welcome a stronger forceful Executive Office that sends Lucky Luciano's out to  break knee caps of those not complying.
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2015, 02:15:08 pm »
Nobody can deny that having that kind of a real estate empire involves dealings with the American Syndicate, but not sure if that helps or hurts him.  Judging from what I read in his supporters comments hear and other web sites, they would welcome a stronger forceful Executive Office that sends Lucky Luciano's out to  break knee caps of those not complying.


Never mind the Constitution says otherwise..
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2015, 02:17:37 pm »
That might explain why he talks like a thug anyway.

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2015, 02:34:36 pm »
And Joseph Kennedy had ties to bootleggers, and his son, JFK had ties to Sam Giancana, the former head of the Chicago crime syndicate. Allegations and speculation. Nothing concrete –no pun intended.

So what?

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2015, 02:42:13 pm »
And Joseph Kennedy had ties to bootleggers, and his son, JFK had ties to Sam Giancana, the former head of the Chicago crime syndicate. Allegations and speculation. Nothing concrete –no pun intended.

So what?

If Trump's level of involvement is at Joe Kennedy's level it's a lot more than "so what?".

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2015, 04:06:19 pm »
And Joseph Kennedy had ties to bootleggers, and his son, JFK had ties to Sam Giancana, the former head of the Chicago crime syndicate. Allegations and speculation. Nothing concrete –no pun intended.

So what?

And guess Harry Reid dropped that bar bell on his eye?? No, his brother in law beat him up, NO. Maybe Harry did not come through with a promise and the and the SILENT people of Vegas decided to get a message out to Harry???. Their is no MOB??? they are all in Gov't that is where the money is at. The mob is getting smarter. They did not take Harry out just wounded him for life?. If they take him out their is a FED investigation this way he is reminded DAILY who owns HIM. :amen:
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2015, 06:27:48 pm »
So what?

So what as recently as 2009 he contributed to heavily Democrats and stated he relates better to Democrats.
So what the he has been married 3 times, with his latest a super model.
So what he has stated opposition to people owning ARs
So what he calls women he don't like fat pigs.
So what he has changed his mind on so many issues including immigration.
So what he supports single payer
so what, ...................

it's "so what" that had got us to this point. The Character of the person we elect means nothing anymore to the generation going up on reality TV, and people who have what I call cantankerous old fart syndrome. Looks like  want mean  people who force their will on others to get our so called conservative agenda passed. The ends justify the means, is in the Saul Alinsky game plan, not  Ronald Reagan's. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2015, 08:27:48 pm »
So what as recently as 2009 he contributed to heavily Democrats and stated he relates better to Democrats.
So what the he has been married 3 times, with his latest a super model.
So what he has stated opposition to people owning ARs
So what he calls women he don't like fat pigs.
So what he has changed his mind on so many issues including immigration.
So what he supports single payer
so what, ...................

it's "so what" that had got us to this point. The Character of the person we elect means nothing anymore to the generation going up on reality TV, and people who have what I call cantankerous old fart syndrome. Looks like  want mean  people who force their will on others to get our so called conservative agenda passed. The ends justify the means, is in the Saul Alinsky game plan, not  Ronald Reagan's.


I thought that we Conservatives support people with good character..
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2015, 08:38:09 pm »

I thought that we Conservatives support people with good character..

Romney was pro-choice in 1994, but in spite of the fact that he "evolved" on the issue to pro-life, that wasn't good enough for conservatives.

Trump is still pro-choice, but he's the conservative's choice.

Romney enacted Romneycare when 98% of his State legislators and nearly 80% of the people in the State wanted it (a case study in Federalism) but that disqualified him in the eyes of conservatives and made him a RINO. 

Trump believes in a single-payer health care system for the nation. IOW, federally-controlled socialized medicine (Hillarycare on steroids) but he's the conservative's choice.

Conservatism has evolved into something that's moved away from its traditional tenets of small government and individual freedoms, into something closer to angry antiestablishmentarianism.

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2015, 08:42:02 pm »
Judging from what I read in his supporters comments hear and other web sites, they would welcome a stronger forceful Executive Office that sends Lucky Luciano's out to  break knee caps of those not complying.

Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2015, 08:48:10 pm »
Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC

And?

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2015, 08:48:40 pm »
Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC


So what???
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2015, 08:54:16 pm »
t_s was just making an observation, a passing comment.

People are so anxious to jump on Trump that any tiny word or inflection triggers an attack response.

It's really amazing to watch.

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2015, 08:55:16 pm »
Luciano helped FDR with unions in NYC during WWII. IIRC

Actually the way I understand it the mob got the best of the deal.

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2015, 09:06:13 pm »
t_s was just making an observation, a passing comment.

People are so anxious to jump on Trump that any tiny word or inflection triggers an attack response.

It's really amazing to watch.

It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO.  It's sad.

All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming.   Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.

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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2015, 09:12:40 pm »
It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO.  It's sad.

All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming.   Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.

OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY.   :chairbang:

BULLETIN!!!  You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense.  PULLEEZE  I'm begging you.  STOP already!!


So only pro trump postings are allowed now?? Kinda like they do at the TOS?? I'm not going to stop unless I'm banned from the place..
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2015, 09:21:06 pm »

So only pro trump postings are allowed now?? Kinda like they do at the TOS?? I'm not going to stop unless I'm banned from the place..
I post both pro and anti Trump. Have you noticed that?

And when I mentioned Luciano, working (correctly) from memory, the least others could do is google it and learn something for a change.
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2015, 09:23:09 pm »
It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO.  It's sad.

All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming.   Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.

OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY.   :chairbang:

BULLETIN!!!  You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense.  PULLEEZE  I'm begging you.  STOP already!!

Are the Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad?
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2015, 10:13:01 pm »
Are the Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad?

I think so 
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2015, 10:40:39 pm »
It isn't "amazing" at all, IMO.  It's sad.

All day, 24/7, the three or four anti-Trumpers do nothing but pollute the forum with their bullsh* spamming.   Secondly, you are not noting credit to the article's author and you aren't even posting the articles in the right category.

OPINION PIECES ARE NOT NEWS ARTICLES FOR THE POLITICS CATEGORY.   :chairbang:

BULLETIN!!!  You're not going to change anybody's mind with you constant spamming the boards with the anti-Trump nonsense.  PULLEEZE  I'm begging you.  STOP already!!

Sorry, Choir members, but this isn't "Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad". It's a heartfelt plea from a fellow poster imploring you to stop turning this Forum into a pale imitation of Daily Kos or DU. "Even Stormfront likes Trump". Seriously what kind of insanity is that? Just how far into the gutter will you crawl in your hatred of Trump?
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2015, 10:51:39 pm »
Sorry, Choir members, but this isn't "Trumpies getting their knickers up in a wad". It's a heartfelt plea from a fellow poster imploring you to stop turning this Forum into a pale imitation of Daily Kos or DU. "Even Stormfront likes Trump". Seriously what kind of insanity is that? Just how far into the gutter will you crawl in your hatred of Trump?

Daily Kos or DU is exactly what TOS reminded me of.  Mindless advocacy for the approved anti-establishment pol of the moment.  Here we can voice our opposition to the idea of Donald Trump as our candidate.  It is (as Trump's defenders would say) "refreshing"

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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2015, 11:48:19 pm »
Daily Kos or DU is exactly what TOS reminded me of.  Mindless advocacy for the approved anti-establishment pol of the moment.  Here we can voice our opposition to the idea of Donald Trump as our candidate.  It is (as Trump's defenders would say) "refreshing"

You honestly used to post on a myriad of topics and subjects, but it's like you the Walking Dead.  The only thing that keeps you moving is "Trump".

I cannot remember the last thread you got into that wasn't about Trump.   

And it's the same for the other members of your band of desperados.

Please don't tell you're all gonna be one-trick ponies like this all through the campaign season.  It's boorish.  And unbecoming of such gentlemen with your stature and intellect.     :laugh:
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2015, 01:18:42 am »
Even Stormfront likes Trump: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1115113-16/

Of course they are.  Deporting 11 million dirty brown 'spics' is a wet-dream for that crowd.  So is the call for ending birthright citizenship.  After all, just how much ink has been spilled on the menace of those Canadians that overstay their visas?  Or any children they may have here.

Little to none, that's how much.

It's amazing how much closer to Stormfront the radical right has gotten on racial, ethnic, and religious issues. 

The 'Gibmedats'... buncha animals!  Hispanics raus - Festung Amerika!  War on Christmas!  Israel gets what it deserves - Jews vote Democrat!

Sound familiar?

Frankly, the most recent talk about Hispanics has been eerily close to the talk about how eastern European immigrants were destroying America back in the 1900-1910s.  Not to mention the Chinese Exclusion act dealing with Chinese immigrants.