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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #100 on: February 03, 2025, 05:55:11 am »
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@jafo2010 we get it.  You have made it clear you think Trump is stupid for some time now, and you often never read posts from other posters.  This is suboptimal.

Yes, I do think Trump is doing things on the federal workforce that will take him into the weeds. 

I do not literally live on this board all day long, and I try to read as much as I can, but I do not read every post.  You do not like my posts, fine, but I do have expertise on reducing workforces.  Does the federal government need a major haircut?  Yes.  Absolutely yes.  But will it happen?  Time will tell. 

Fact is I do not want to see Trump fail.  This single issue can have serious consequences. 

Tonight on Mark Levin's show, he did a great segment on the numbers.  I encourage all of you to try and watch the Feb 2nd episode by him. Surprising to me, he indicated the federal government has 10 million contractors, 7 million if you subtract the military and the postal service.  7 million contractors is a much bigger number than I imagined.

This is just a guesstimate, but if there is 7 million contractors, and Trump were to dump them tomorrow, I am guessing that is something north of $500 billion in savings.  Again, my estimate could be high or low, but that is huge.  I say dump them all.  Make the full time employees do the work they are intended to do.  I know for fact that contractors do a lot of the work while the FTE stand by and watch.  End that nonsense now. 

And it does not end there.  I say the military could do without some of their contractors too, for I have had friends that were contractors with the military.  One worked for the military as a civilian for 45 years, retired, and went back as a contractor making a lot more than he did as an employee.

Trump furloughed DEI federal employees, and I believe he is still paying them salaries.  Why?  If they have been there less than three years, they are not subject to the civil service protections.  His keeping them on the payroll enables some number of them to reach that civil service protection.  Why? 

Of course, many of them might be union members and have additional protections beyond the civil service protections. 

We have 2.4 million federal employees, not counting military and US Postal Service, and yet we have 7 million contractors working for the federal government.  They do not have civil service protections.  They can get the ax and no one other than the federal folks that have to pick up the burden of work will complain.  Well, so will companies like Northrop Grumman who have a large contingent of contractors working for the federal government.

And I also know of the nightmares of dealing with EPA, OSHA, etc for I have dealt with them with clients.  These agencies in particular made life very difficult. 
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #101 on: February 03, 2025, 07:12:22 am »
Can you imagine these results in the private sector?


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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #102 on: February 03, 2025, 07:57:28 am »
I can imagine how much of this is massively perpetuated by those in our Federal Government...

I stand by my earlier comments about gutting Fedzilla


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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #103 on: February 03, 2025, 12:50:17 pm »
Yes, I do think Trump is doing things on the federal workforce that will take him into the weeds. 

I do not literally live on this board all day long, and I try to read as much as I can, but I do not read every post.  You do not like my posts, fine, but I do have expertise on reducing workforces.  Does the federal government need a major haircut?  Yes.  Absolutely yes.  But will it happen?  Time will tell. 

Fact is I do not want to see Trump fail.  This single issue can have serious consequences. 

Tonight on Mark Levin's show, he did a great segment on the numbers.  I encourage all of you to try and watch the Feb 2nd episode by him. Surprising to me, he indicated the federal government has 10 million contractors, 7 million if you subtract the military and the postal service.  7 million contractors is a much bigger number than I imagined.

This is just a guesstimate, but if there is 7 million contractors, and Trump were to dump them tomorrow, I am guessing that is something north of $500 billion in savings.  Again, my estimate could be high or low, but that is huge.  I say dump them all.  Make the full time employees do the work they are intended to do.  I know for fact that contractors do a lot of the work while the FTE stand by and watch.  End that nonsense now. 

And it does not end there.  I say the military could do without some of their contractors too, for I have had friends that were contractors with the military.  One worked for the military as a civilian for 45 years, retired, and went back as a contractor making a lot more than he did as an employee.

Trump furloughed DEI federal employees, and I believe he is still paying them salaries.  Why?  If they have been there less than three years, they are not subject to the civil service protections.  His keeping them on the payroll enables some number of them to reach that civil service protection.  Why? 

Of course, many of them might be union members and have additional protections beyond the civil service protections. 

We have 2.4 million federal employees, not counting military and US Postal Service, and yet we have 7 million contractors working for the federal government.  They do not have civil service protections.  They can get the ax and no one other than the federal folks that have to pick up the burden of work will complain.  Well, so will companies like Northrop Grumman who have a large contingent of contractors working for the federal government.

And I also know of the nightmares of dealing with EPA, OSHA, etc for I have dealt with them with clients.  These agencies in particular made life very difficult.
When times are tough at the companies I worked for, the contractors were always the ones who got laid off first.  Makes a lot of sense when they are brought in and no new staff needs to be hired, at least temporarily.

This should be done.

In the case of the federal government, however, laying off contractors does nothing to reduce the threat of the Deep State.  It is necessary to bore deep within each organization and weed out career government employees that are not performing to achieve stated goals of the Chief Executive.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #104 on: February 03, 2025, 01:40:20 pm »
I can imagine how much of this is massively perpetuated by those in our Federal Government...

I stand by my earlier comments about gutting Fedzilla


https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1863960384513753213
Syncs with what I found when I worked for the Dept of Commerce decades ago.

Distributing money was the #1 goal of the organization, with little accountability that it was helping anything.  No one who received the money EVER achieved self-reliance, just like how our current welfare system operates.  Like a drug addict, more $ is always sought out and, since it is not the federal employee's money, it is readily distributed, and he feels he has done his job.

These are the effects of not having a federal budget for decades now. There should never be any money spent until every dollar is justified and protocols in place to ensure it achieves the desired results.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #105 on: February 03, 2025, 01:47:17 pm »
Syncs with what I found when I worked for the Dept of Commerce decades ago.

Distributing money was the #1 goal of the organization, with little accountability that it was helping anything.  No one who received the money EVER achieved self-reliance, just like how our current welfare system operates.  Like a drug addict, more $ if always sought out and, since it is not the federal employee's money, it is readily distributed, and he feels he has done his job.

These are the effects of not having a federal budget for decades now. There should never be any money spent until every dollar is justified and protocols in place to ensure it achieves the desired results.

In short, these departments measure their "success" by how much they spend. And by spending more they are "filling a need" as proven by how much they spend... It feeds itself growing their budget year after year.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #106 on: February 03, 2025, 02:15:48 pm »
It hasn't been two weeks.

We've got 1 ISIS leader dead.

Panama just announced that their contract with China will not be renewed.

Quantanamo is going to receive the worst of the criminals being deported.

Venezuela returned 6 hostages and agreed to take back all their illegals.

J6 political prisoners are pardoned and FBI/DOJ employees involved in their persecution have been, or are being, dismissed.

The govt workforce is being downsized.

Govt. waste is being exposed.

Birthright citizenship is finally being challenged.

The borders are closed and the wall is being finished.

Cartels have been designated terrorist organizations. Our military is gearing up to help on the border.

I know I missed a bunch of things. The point is in less than two weeks Pres. Trump has asserted himself as the unitary executive he is and even if Congress fails us we will be better off for it.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #107 on: February 04, 2025, 01:19:48 am »
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Good. In this situation, 'destabilization' is the goal.
Destabilization is at the heart of any 'shock and awe' strategy.

No, destabilization is NEVER good.  The Founders knew that, and thus the checks & balances which made it hard to just willy-nilly change things year-in year-out.  In fact, EOs can do exactly this thing and it's one of the negatives about them - kingly dictates change things on a dime and that can be very bad.

You all only think of the negative as being on the "fed workers" - it will be domino-effect much more than just that, or on them.

Again, better to have a well-thought strategy to eliminate the bureacracies.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #108 on: February 04, 2025, 01:55:09 am »
No, destabilization is NEVER good.  The Founders knew that, and thus the checks & balances which made it hard to just willy-nilly change things year-in year-out.  In fact, EOs can do exactly this thing and it's one of the negatives about them - kingly dictates change things on a dime and that can be very bad.

You all only think of the negative as being on the "fed workers" - it will be domino-effect much more than just that, or on them.

Again, better to have a well-thought strategy to eliminate the bureacracies.
Are you a new citizen to this country?

Bureaucracies NEVER get eliminated over the decades and decades they are created.  In spite of dozens of Congresses.

Time for the atom bomb approach as the rot goes way, way down to the lowest roots and Congress has no inclination to be accountable.

And if you don't believe this has been analyzed for some time and well-thought out, how can you explain the rot we have already been exposed to in just 2 weeks?
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #109 on: February 04, 2025, 01:59:37 am »
So far it's a blitzkrieg - and it seems to be working.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #110 on: February 04, 2025, 02:14:04 am »
Sadly, what Trump is doing will most likely be undone by the next Democommie POTUS.

My approach could be done quickly, with analysis, and determine the exact resources needed, identifying the waste, the deadheads, etc, and in the end, greatly increasing the performance of the folks remaining.

Now that Trump has unvailed his intentions, large corporations are busy now to thwart his efforts.  I fully support reducing cost, waste, balancing the budget, etc.

I am not sure how many contractors are supplied to the federal government by companies like Northrop Grumman, but rest assured, they are pressuring their bought and paid for members of Congress. 

Trump is hoping to get one huge bill passed in Congress.  I think he would have been better served having DOGE do the investigation and analysis on as many areas as possible, and after he got his legislation passed, then launched the implementation of reducing the operations.

With such narrow margins in both houses of Congress, I think Trump will be surprised at the backlash even now.  There are a dozen RINOs in both houses of Congress.  There will be zero Dems supporting anything he wants. 

Even Sean Hannity referred to what Trump has done as shock and awe.  Once the opposition to Trump get their footing again, the opposition will be relentless.

However through all this, it is a real delight to have a spokesperson in the form of Karoline Leavitt.  She is very impressive for such a young person. 

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #111 on: February 04, 2025, 02:31:59 am »
So far it's a blitzkrieg - and it seems to be working.

For now.  Probably not for very long.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #112 on: February 04, 2025, 02:38:24 am »
Until the liberal pukes in our court system(and yes, I am including the Supreme Court pukes, who I do not trust even slightly) weigh in, nothing is done.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #113 on: February 04, 2025, 02:53:35 am »
For now.  Probably not for very long.

Yes, we know it's coming. Hopefully Trump and crew have their legal ducks in a row to plow through it. Bondi needs to get confirmed pronto.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #114 on: February 04, 2025, 01:13:45 pm »
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #115 on: February 04, 2025, 04:19:16 pm »
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BREAKING: 1,000 EPA employees were just notified they are hereby being terminated.
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« Reply #116 on: February 04, 2025, 05:43:00 pm »
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BREAKING: 1,000 EPA employees were just notified they are hereby being terminated.
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This is like Christmas for me...... :beer:

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #117 on: February 04, 2025, 06:22:11 pm »
White House expecting 'spike' in federal resignations as at least 20K take buyouts
The White House is ' expecting the largest spike' in resignations in the next 2 days
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Published February 4, 2025 11:06am EST

The White House is expecting a "spike" in federal resignations ahead of a Thursday deadline for a buyout offer, Fox News Digital has learned.

Nearly all federal employees were offered a buyout as part of President Donald Trump’s plan for government employees to physically work out of their offices, following years of remote work stemming from the COVID-19 pandemic. Government employees have until Thursday to take the offer, with the Trump administration expecting an influx of resignations in the next two days.

"The number of deferred resignations is rapidly growing, and we’re expecting the largest spike 24 to 48 hours before the deadline," a White House official told Fox News Digital on Tuesday morning.

Axios reported earlier Tuesday that roughly 20,000 federal employees have taken the offer, accounting for about 1% of the federal government's workforce. The White House official told Fox News Digital following the report's publication that the 20,000 figure "isn’t current."

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« Reply #118 on: February 04, 2025, 06:38:38 pm »
This is like Christmas for me...... :beer:

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #119 on: February 04, 2025, 11:18:55 pm »
"BREAKING: 1,000 EPA employees were just notified they are hereby being terminated."

(sigh)
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #120 on: February 05, 2025, 01:19:34 am »
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BREAKING: 1,000 EPA employees were just notified they are hereby being terminated.
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They should be thankful. They can submit their resign email and collect 8 months pay. The employees who get cut after Thursday are going to wish they had resigned.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #121 on: February 05, 2025, 02:17:52 am »
Trump announced today with Netanyahu standing next to him that he intends to incorporate the Gaza strip into the USA.

Now for all of you that love him so, you don't think Republicans along with Democommies will be fitting him for a rubber room soon?  Literally!  Or arranging for another attack, only this time with a professional versus a goofy teenager?

Unless we are going to Gaza to kill every last one of them, our involvement there is pure idiocy.  It is the equivalent of England occupying Northern Ireland decades ago on steroids and with a genocidal culture that believe they have the right to kill anyone they want.  And Trump is talking about turning it into the Riviera of the Med?  Ugggh!!

And in true Trump fashion, why go small?  I say tell the Russian people if they knock off Putin and his regime, we will make Russia the 52nd state, right behind Canada becoming the 51st state.  Let's go for the largest country in the world.  Why not?


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« Reply #122 on: February 05, 2025, 02:21:04 am »
Trump announced today with Netanyahu standing next to him that he intends to incorporate the Gaza strip into the USA.

Now for all of you that love him so, you don't think Republicans along with Democommies will be fitting him for a rubber room soon?  Literally!  Or arranging for another attack, only this time with a professional versus a goofy teenager?

Unless we are going to Gaza to kill every last one of them, our involvement there is pure idiocy.  It is the equivalent of England occupying Northern Ireland decades ago on steroids and with a genocidal culture that believe they have the right to kill anyone they want.  And Trump is talking about turning it into the Riviera of the Med?  Ugggh!!

And in true Trump fashion, why go small?  I say tell the Russian people if they knock off Putin and his regime, we will make Russia the 52nd state, right behind Canada becoming the 51st state.  Let's go for the largest country in the world.  Why not?

This may simply be a threat like the tariffs on Canada and Mexico to get all the hostages released now and Hamas to abandon the area or else. We'll just have to wait and see...

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #123 on: February 05, 2025, 02:25:01 am »
This is like Christmas for me...... :beer:
Unwrapping presents and getting more than ever expected.
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« Reply #124 on: February 05, 2025, 02:27:36 am »
Let's go for the largest country in the world.  Why not?

Aside from a different language, different culture, different values, a long history of attacking its neighbors, a huge Muslim population, and no experience with real democracy ... sure, what could possibly go wrong?

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