Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer

[jafo2010]

Cyber Liberty...

@jafo2010 we get it.  You have made it clear you think Trump is stupid for some time now, and you often never read posts from other posters.  This is suboptimal.

Yes, I do think Trump is doing things on the federal workforce that will take him into the weeds. 

I do not literally live on this board all day long, and I try to read as much as I can, but I do not read every post.  You do not like my posts, fine, but I do have expertise on reducing workforces.  Does the federal government need a major haircut?  Yes.  Absolutely yes.  But will it happen?  Time will tell. 

Fact is I do not want to see Trump fail.  This single issue can have serious consequences. 

Tonight on Mark Levin's show, he did a great segment on the numbers.  I encourage all of you to try and watch the Feb 2nd episode by him. Surprising to me, he indicated the federal government has 10 million contractors, 7 million if you subtract the military and the postal service.  7 million contractors is a much bigger number than I imagined.

This is just a guesstimate, but if there is 7 million contractors, and Trump were to dump them tomorrow, I am guessing that is something north of $500 billion in savings.  Again, my estimate could be high or low, but that is huge.  I say dump them all.  Make the full time employees do the work they are intended to do.  I know for fact that contractors do a lot of the work while the FTE stand by and watch.  End that nonsense now. 

And it does not end there.  I say the military could do without some of their contractors too, for I have had friends that were contractors with the military.  One worked for the military as a civilian for 45 years, retired, and went back as a contractor making a lot more than he did as an employee.

Trump furloughed DEI federal employees, and I believe he is still paying them salaries.  Why?  If they have been there less than three years, they are not subject to the civil service protections.  His keeping them on the payroll enables some number of them to reach that civil service protection.  Why? 

Of course, many of them might be union members and have additional protections beyond the civil service protections. 

We have 2.4 million federal employees, not counting military and US Postal Service, and yet we have 7 million contractors working for the federal government.  They do not have civil service protections.  They can get the ax and no one other than the federal folks that have to pick up the burden of work will complain.  Well, so will companies like Northrop Grumman who have a large contingent of contractors working for the federal government.

And I also know of the nightmares of dealing with EPA, OSHA, etc for I have dealt with them with clients.  These agencies in particular made life very difficult. 

[catfish1957]

Can you imagine these results in the private sector?

https://twitter.com/stat_sherpa/status/1884602152112280019

[catfish1957]

I can imagine how much of this is massively perpetuated by those in our Federal Government...

I stand by my earlier comments about gutting Fedzilla

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1863960384513753213

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Yes, I do think Trump is doing things on the federal workforce that will take him into the weeds. 

I do not literally live on this board all day long, and I try to read as much as I can, but I do not read every post.  You do not like my posts, fine, but I do have expertise on reducing workforces.  Does the federal government need a major haircut?  Yes.  Absolutely yes.  But will it happen?  Time will tell. 

Fact is I do not want to see Trump fail.  This single issue can have serious consequences. 

Tonight on Mark Levin's show, he did a great segment on the numbers.  I encourage all of you to try and watch the Feb 2nd episode by him. Surprising to me, he indicated the federal government has 10 million contractors, 7 million if you subtract the military and the postal service.  7 million contractors is a much bigger number than I imagined.

This is just a guesstimate, but if there is 7 million contractors, and Trump were to dump them tomorrow, I am guessing that is something north of $500 billion in savings.  Again, my estimate could be high or low, but that is huge.  I say dump them all.  Make the full time employees do the work they are intended to do.  I know for fact that contractors do a lot of the work while the FTE stand by and watch.  End that nonsense now. 

And it does not end there.  I say the military could do without some of their contractors too, for I have had friends that were contractors with the military.  One worked for the military as a civilian for 45 years, retired, and went back as a contractor making a lot more than he did as an employee.

Trump furloughed DEI federal employees, and I believe he is still paying them salaries.  Why?  If they have been there less than three years, they are not subject to the civil service protections.  His keeping them on the payroll enables some number of them to reach that civil service protection.  Why? 

Of course, many of them might be union members and have additional protections beyond the civil service protections. 

We have 2.4 million federal employees, not counting military and US Postal Service, and yet we have 7 million contractors working for the federal government.  They do not have civil service protections.  They can get the ax and no one other than the federal folks that have to pick up the burden of work will complain.  Well, so will companies like Northrop Grumman who have a large contingent of contractors working for the federal government.

And I also know of the nightmares of dealing with EPA, OSHA, etc for I have dealt with them with clients.  These agencies in particular made life very difficult.

When times are tough at the companies I worked for, the contractors were always the ones who got laid off first.  Makes a lot of sense when they are brought in and no new staff needs to be hired, at least temporarily.

This should be done.

In the case of the federal government, however, laying off contractors does nothing to reduce the threat of the Deep State.  It is necessary to bore deep within each organization and weed out career government employees that are not performing to achieve stated goals of the Chief Executive.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I can imagine how much of this is massively perpetuated by those in our Federal Government...

I stand by my earlier comments about gutting Fedzilla

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1863960384513753213

Syncs with what I found when I worked for the Dept of Commerce decades ago.

Distributing money was the #1 goal of the organization, with little accountability that it was helping anything.  No one who received the money EVER achieved self-reliance, just like how our current welfare system operates.  Like a drug addict, more $ is always sought out and, since it is not the federal employee's money, it is readily distributed, and he feels he has done his job.

These are the effects of not having a federal budget for decades now. There should never be any money spent until every dollar is justified and protocols in place to ensure it achieves the desired results.

[DB]

Syncs with what I found when I worked for the Dept of Commerce decades ago.

Distributing money was the #1 goal of the organization, with little accountability that it was helping anything.  No one who received the money EVER achieved self-reliance, just like how our current welfare system operates.  Like a drug addict, more $ if always sought out and, since it is not the federal employee's money, it is readily distributed, and he feels he has done his job.

These are the effects of not having a federal budget for decades now. There should never be any money spent until every dollar is justified and protocols in place to ensure it achieves the desired results.

In short, these departments measure their "success" by how much they spend. And by spending more they are "filling a need" as proven by how much they spend... It feeds itself growing their budget year after year.

[Right_in_Virginia]

It hasn't been two weeks.

We've got 1 ISIS leader dead.

Panama just announced that their contract with China will not be renewed.

Quantanamo is going to receive the worst of the criminals being deported.

Venezuela returned 6 hostages and agreed to take back all their illegals.

J6 political prisoners are pardoned and FBI/DOJ employees involved in their persecution have been, or are being, dismissed.

The govt workforce is being downsized.

Govt. waste is being exposed.

Birthright citizenship is finally being challenged.

The borders are closed and the wall is being finished.

Cartels have been designated terrorist organizations. Our military is gearing up to help on the border.

I know I missed a bunch of things. The point is in less than two weeks Pres. Trump has asserted himself as the unitary executive he is and even if Congress fails us we will be better off for it.

Excellent post @bilo 

[the OlLine Rebel]

@the OlLine Rebel

Good. In this situation, 'destabilization' is the goal.
Destabilization is at the heart of any 'shock and awe' strategy.

No, destabilization is NEVER good.  The Founders knew that, and thus the checks & balances which made it hard to just willy-nilly change things year-in year-out.  In fact, EOs can do exactly this thing and it's one of the negatives about them - kingly dictates change things on a dime and that can be very bad.

You all only think of the negative as being on the "fed workers" - it will be domino-effect much more than just that, or on them.

Again, better to have a well-thought strategy to eliminate the bureacracies.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

No, destabilization is NEVER good.  The Founders knew that, and thus the checks & balances which made it hard to just willy-nilly change things year-in year-out.  In fact, EOs can do exactly this thing and it's one of the negatives about them - kingly dictates change things on a dime and that can be very bad.

You all only think of the negative as being on the "fed workers" - it will be domino-effect much more than just that, or on them.

Again, better to have a well-thought strategy to eliminate the bureacracies.

Are you a new citizen to this country?

Bureaucracies NEVER get eliminated over the decades and decades they are created.  In spite of dozens of Congresses.

Time for the atom bomb approach as the rot goes way, way down to the lowest roots and Congress has no inclination to be accountable.

And if you don't believe this has been analyzed for some time and well-thought out, how can you explain the rot we have already been exposed to in just 2 weeks?

[DB]

So far it's a blitzkrieg - and it seems to be working.

[jafo2010]

Sadly, what Trump is doing will most likely be undone by the next Democommie POTUS.

My approach could be done quickly, with analysis, and determine the exact resources needed, identifying the waste, the deadheads, etc, and in the end, greatly increasing the performance of the folks remaining.

Now that Trump has unvailed his intentions, large corporations are busy now to thwart his efforts.  I fully support reducing cost, waste, balancing the budget, etc.

I am not sure how many contractors are supplied to the federal government by companies like Northrop Grumman, but rest assured, they are pressuring their bought and paid for members of Congress. 

Trump is hoping to get one huge bill passed in Congress.  I think he would have been better served having DOGE do the investigation and analysis on as many areas as possible, and after he got his legislation passed, then launched the implementation of reducing the operations.

With such narrow margins in both houses of Congress, I think Trump will be surprised at the backlash even now.  There are a dozen RINOs in both houses of Congress.  There will be zero Dems supporting anything he wants. 

Even Sean Hannity referred to what Trump has done as shock and awe.  Once the opposition to Trump get their footing again, the opposition will be relentless.

However through all this, it is a real delight to have a spokesperson in the form of Karoline Leavitt.  She is very impressive for such a young person. 

[Cyber Liberty]

So far it's a blitzkrieg - and it seems to be working.

For now.  Probably not for very long.

[jafo2010]

Until the liberal pukes in our court system(and yes, I am including the Supreme Court pukes, who I do not trust even slightly) weigh in, nothing is done.

[DB]

For now.  Probably not for very long.

Yes, we know it's coming. Hopefully Trump and crew have their legal ducks in a row to plow through it. Bondi needs to get confirmed pronto.

[mountaineer]

Clean up on aisle four!

Ian Miles Cheong
@stillgray
There is an “Alt National Park Service” run by delusional federal government employees who, along with some 50,000 others, are waging a silent resistance against Elon Musk.

7:38 AM · Feb 4, 2025

[mountaineer]

Ryan Fournier
@RyanAFournier
BREAKING: 1,000 EPA employees were just notified they are hereby being terminated.
10:44 AM · Feb 4, 2025
 
 

[catfish1957]

Ryan Fournier
@RyanAFournier
BREAKING: 1,000 EPA employees were just notified they are hereby being terminated.
10:44 AM · Feb 4, 2025
 
 

This is like Christmas for me......

[mystery-ak]

White House expecting 'spike' in federal resignations as at least 20K take buyouts
The White House is ' expecting the largest spike' in resignations in the next 2 days
By Emma Colton , Brooke Singman Fox News
Published February 4, 2025 11:06am EST

The White House is expecting a "spike" in federal resignations ahead of a Thursday deadline for a buyout offer, Fox News Digital has learned.

Nearly all federal employees were offered a buyout as part of President Donald Trump’s plan for government employees to physically work out of their offices, following years of remote work stemming from the COVID-19 pandemic. Government employees have until Thursday to take the offer, with the Trump administration expecting an influx of resignations in the next two days.

"The number of deferred resignations is rapidly growing, and we’re expecting the largest spike 24 to 48 hours before the deadline," a White House official told Fox News Digital on Tuesday morning.

Axios reported earlier Tuesday that roughly 20,000 federal employees have taken the offer, accounting for about 1% of the federal government's workforce. The White House official told Fox News Digital following the report's publication that the 20,000 figure "isn’t current."

more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-expecting-spike-federal-resignations-least-20k-take-buyouts

[Bigun]

This is like Christmas for me......

 

[Fishrrman]

"BREAKING: 1,000 EPA employees were just notified they are hereby being terminated."

(sigh)
Well... it's a start...

[bilo]

Ryan Fournier
@RyanAFournier
BREAKING: 1,000 EPA employees were just notified they are hereby being terminated.
10:44 AM · Feb 4, 2025
 
 

They should be thankful. They can submit their resign email and collect 8 months pay. The employees who get cut after Thursday are going to wish they had resigned.

[jafo2010]

Trump announced today with Netanyahu standing next to him that he intends to incorporate the Gaza strip into the USA.

Now for all of you that love him so, you don't think Republicans along with Democommies will be fitting him for a rubber room soon?  Literally!  Or arranging for another attack, only this time with a professional versus a goofy teenager?

Unless we are going to Gaza to kill every last one of them, our involvement there is pure idiocy.  It is the equivalent of England occupying Northern Ireland decades ago on steroids and with a genocidal culture that believe they have the right to kill anyone they want.  And Trump is talking about turning it into the Riviera of the Med?  Ugggh!!

And in true Trump fashion, why go small?  I say tell the Russian people if they knock off Putin and his regime, we will make Russia the 52nd state, right behind Canada becoming the 51st state.  Let's go for the largest country in the world.  Why not?

[DB]

Trump announced today with Netanyahu standing next to him that he intends to incorporate the Gaza strip into the USA.

Now for all of you that love him so, you don't think Republicans along with Democommies will be fitting him for a rubber room soon?  Literally!  Or arranging for another attack, only this time with a professional versus a goofy teenager?

Unless we are going to Gaza to kill every last one of them, our involvement there is pure idiocy.  It is the equivalent of England occupying Northern Ireland decades ago on steroids and with a genocidal culture that believe they have the right to kill anyone they want.  And Trump is talking about turning it into the Riviera of the Med?  Ugggh!!

And in true Trump fashion, why go small?  I say tell the Russian people if they knock off Putin and his regime, we will make Russia the 52nd state, right behind Canada becoming the 51st state.  Let's go for the largest country in the world.  Why not?

This may simply be a threat like the tariffs on Canada and Mexico to get all the hostages released now and Hamas to abandon the area or else. We'll just have to wait and see...

[IsailedawayfromFR]

This is like Christmas for me......

Unwrapping presents and getting more than ever expected.

[Canuck Conservative]

Let's go for the largest country in the world.  Why not?

Aside from a different language, different culture, different values, a long history of attacking its neighbors, a huge Muslim population, and no experience with real democracy ... sure, what could possibly go wrong?

/sarc

[Cyber Liberty]

Aside from a different language, different culture, different values, a long history of attacking its neighbors, a huge Muslim population, and no experience with real democracy ... sure, what could possibly go wrong?

/sarc

It will never happen. The people of Canada will never approve. I know too many Canadians.

[Smokin Joe]

It will never happen. The people of Canada will never approve. I know too many Canadians.

True enough. Many Canadians express no desire to be Americans, especially coming from a country that has established its identity since it left the commonwealth as being 'not America'.

[Wingnut]

Aside from a different language, different culture, different values, a long history of attacking its neighbors, a huge Muslim population, and no experience with real democracy ... sure, what could possibly go wrong?

/sarc

It's time we put the "America" back in North America!

[jafo2010]

Cyber Liberty...

It will never happen. The people of Canada will never approve. I know too many Canadians.

I agree.  Canadians, the ones I personally know, actually think they are superior to folks in the USA.  Superior in every way too.  The arrogance, you could cut with a knife.

But Russia on the other hand, if they jettison Putin and his regime, I think Russians would welcome the  opportunity to be part of the USA.  Culturally, they are sort of where we were in the 60s, and the majority of people actually like things American.

And in terms of the muslim population in Russia, just jettison those few remaining areas that are largely muslim, like Dagestan, Chechnya, etc.  and let them create their own countries, which they would prefer any how.

I'm telling you, the majority of Russians would enjoy being a part of the USA.  And with the men all dead from the war, the women will welcome it very much.

Just think of the mineral wealth we would gain!

[DB]

It will never happen. The people of Canada will never approve. I know too many Canadians.

Look what you started... Points for Zing...

[jafo2010]

Canuck Conservative...

Quote from: jafo2010 on Today at 02:17:52 am
Let's go for the largest country in the world.  Why not?

Canuck Conservative...
Aside from a different language, different culture, different values, a long history of attacking its neighbors, a huge Muslim population, and no experience with real democracy ... sure, what could possibly go wrong?

/sac

Are you in Canada by chance?  Have you traveled around the USA?  Half of Florida you would think you were in a Latin American country.  Same with parts of Texas and California. 

And have you been in Brighton Beach or Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn?  NYC has over 600,000 Russians, 8% of the population.  1.6 million Russians in the New York tri-state area.  And there are many other geographic areas where there is a high concentration of this nationality or that.

Much of the Russian population have been taught English.  And culturally, isn't America a melting pot of more cultures than any other nation?  Russia also happens to be a mix of folks from many cultures, so they actually have that in common with the USA.

Germany and Japan had a society with a long history of attacking their neighbors too, and yet they are both very much in our sphere of influence.

And no experience with real democracy...hmmm, you don't think the Russian people would enjoy the freedom we enjoy?  In Russia, you speak out against Putin you end up dead or in prison if you are lucky.  You certainly even now do not speak your mind about anything for FEAR it will be used against you, same as the Soviet era.

What people do you know that would not welcome freedom?  Literally!

Incorporating Russia would be a major gain for the USA.  It would in fact weaken our number one enemy, China.  It would extend a huge amount of power to the USA globally, and eliminate the need for NATO if Russia is part of the USA.

And again, I cannot stress the natural and mineral resources in Russia.  Huge windfall for us!

[DCPatriot]

Are you in Canada by chance?  Have you traveled around the USA?  Half of Florida you would think you were in a Latin American country.  Same with parts of Texas and California. 

And have you been in Brighton Beach or Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn?  NYC has over 600,000 Russians, 8% of the population.  1.6 million Russians in the New York tri-state area.  And there are many other geographic areas where there is a high concentration of this nationality or that.

snip...

LOL!  Are you kidding?  There are entire zip codes in Silver Spring, Maryland that straddle the Capital Beltway where stop signs are in Spanish.

[ChemEngrMBA]

 Mark my words./quote]


Here are your words: 
"Dems-greatest existential threat to USA republic!"

You sure do squeal exactly LIKE a Dem.

[mystery-ak]

Over 65,000 Federal Workers Reportedly Accept Trump Administration Buyout Offer

More than 65,000 federal workers have reportedly accepted the Trump administration’s buyout offer as a federal judge is expected to weigh in on the matter Monday.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/02/10/over-65000-federal-workers-reportedly-accept-trump-administration-buyout-offer/

[catfish1957]

According to Musk, what we saw at USAID is child's play versus the rest of Fedzilla.   And I will say it for the 5th time.  GUT IT!!!!

[mystery-ak]

Judge extends restraining order to ban Trump admin buyout offer to federal workers
Trump's buyout deadline has been delayed until at least Monday
 By Louis Casiano Fox News
Published February 10, 2025 3:27pm EST

A federal judge on Monday extended a temporary restraining order blocking the Trump administration's "Fork in the Road" offer to federal employees.

Judge George O’Toole said he's taken the matter under advisement, but there was no timeline on when he would make a decision. 

The hearing comes nearly two weeks after the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) emailed more than 2 million federal civilian employees offering them buyouts to leave their jobs.

The government workers were given a choice to either leave or stay after Trump mandated those employees to return to their offices.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-extends-restraining-order-ban-trump-admin-buyout-offer-federal-workers

[Smokin Joe]

"No timeline" More leftist foot dragging to tie the issue up in court and keep the deep state running.
Just issue a memo that states the time for the offer is limited, regardless of injunction. Terms in the future may not be so generous (and deduct a month from the severance pay for every month the judge keeps this tied up).

[mystery-ak]

Well they were discussing this on Fox it seems the Judge wants to know how Congress will pay for this...did Trump's lawyers not tell the judge that their salaries are already in the budget and they were going to be paid anyways..with this offer they just don't have to show up to work....

[berdie]

Well they were discussing this on Fox it seems the Judge wants to know how Congress will pay for this...did Trump's lawyers not tell the judge that their salaries are already in the budget and they were going to be paid anyways..with this offer they just don't have to show up to work....

That's what I thought, as well. Their salaries are already covered since from what I understand they aren't being replaced.

Dollars to donuts this has something to do with the unions. Losing that many people doesn't make them happy.

[GtHawk]

That's what I thought, as well. Their salaries are already covered since from what I understand they aren't being replaced.

Dollars to donuts this has something to do with the unions. Losing that many people doesn't make them happy.

Two things the Unions hate losing is power and MONEY, without those dues how are the leadership gonna keep living their lavish lifestyle, and then there’s all the money they funneled to the democrats, another reason why the democrats are so angry.

[Wingnut]

Two things the Unions hate losing is power and MONEY, without those dues how are the leadership gonna keep living their lavish lifestyle, and then there’s all the money they funneled to the democrats, another reason why the democrats are so angry.

65 thousand less union due payers is gonna leave a big ass hole.

[rustynail]

Beginning to look like the 'Judges' are coming to the rescue of the Deep State by overthrowing the Executive Branch.

[mountaineer]

Well they were discussing this on Fox it seems the Judge wants to know how Congress will pay for this

Not the judge's concern, and it's improper to consider it. What's  the law, judge? Focus on that.

[Smokin Joe]

Two things the Unions hate losing is power and MONEY, without those dues how are the leadership gonna keep living their lavish lifestyle, and then there’s all the money they funneled to the democrats, another reason why the democrats are so angry.

It isn't just the Money, although that is important. The importance of a bureaucratic department is a function not of how vital its mission is to the security of these United States, but how many people are employed there. Smaller departments mean a loss of status in the grand scheme of things.

[DB]

It isn't just the Money, although that is important. The importance of a bureaucratic department is a function not of how vital its mission is to the security of these United States, but how many people are employed there. Smaller departments mean a loss of status in the grand scheme of things.

Also, less union money laundered through the employees to political causes.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Not the judge's concern, and it's improper to consider it. What's  the law, judge? Focus on that.

I doubt that has even come up in his mind.

Most of what he's thinking about is how to satisfy his leftist cronies' desires to keep their wealth-building retirement schemes intact.