Thread 2...Assassination Attempt Of Pres. Trump [update]

[mountaineer]

"I find that hard to believe."

Why do you find it hard to believe?

I find it hard to believe that Crooks ever was off the FBI's (or USSS's) radar, or that his target ever could have been anyone but Trump. The more we hear, the more it appears government agencies had some involvement in the plot.

[goatprairie]

I find it hard to believe that Crooks ever was off the FBI's (or USSS's) radar, or that his target ever could have been anyone but Trump. The more we hear, the more it appears government agencies has some involvement in the plot.

"The more we hear"

Really? What are your sources?

[mountaineer]

"The more we hear"

Really? What are your sources?

Have you read all 45 pages of this thread?

[Cyber Liberty]

Have you read all 45 pages of this thread?

Source after source after source after source.....

[roamer_1]

Have you read all 45 pages of this thread?

I have - And I remain skeptical of most of it... Now, part of that is my natural state as a skeptic... Which I consider to be a healthy feature.

But part of it too... The sort of thing that happens when you join up disparate sources while scouring - scouring, now - The internet... Patterns evolve where there really are none. That pattern, which seems so evident, is only there if everything is taken at face value, which occurs only in the absence of proof.

But it is proof that is the important- nay, only- part.
I mean that in a benign way, because it is a caution.

A while back QAnon assembled a set of sources to prove that American soldiers were taking over German businesses housing servers that were the proof that international players were jacking with the American election...

Remember all that? I know you do.
Pretty well sourced. Lots of links.
All bullshit.
All of it.

Remember Russia, Russia, Russia?
All bullshit.
It was all on the other side, but same thing.

I don't give a shit for volume or for sources.
I only want proof.

What can be proved?
That will, of itself, limit the field. That purpose winnows the 'evidence'.
I think that is the way to discernment.

It is not found in every flaccid thought ever flatulated on the internet.

[roamer_1]

That needs a name, it does... That 'syncronicity' found way, way down the rabbit hole...

It is a phenomena that remains ill-defined in any common parlance.

[Smokin Joe]

I have - And I remain skeptical of most of it... Now, part of that is my natural state as a skeptic... Which I consider to be a healthy feature.

But part of it too... The sort of thing that happens when you join up disparate sources while scouring - scouring, now - The internet... Patterns evolve where there really are none. That pattern, which seems so evident, is only there if everything is taken at face value, which occurs only in the absence of proof.

But it is proof that is the important- nay, only- part.
I mean that in a benign way, because it is a caution.

A while back QAnon assembled a set of sources to prove that American soldiers were taking over German businesses housing servers that were the proof that international players were jacking with the American election...

Remember all that? I know you do.
Pretty well sourced. Lots of links.
All bullshit.
All of it.

Remember Russia, Russia, Russia?
All bullshit.
It was all on the other side, but same thing.

I don't give a shit for volume or for sources.
I only want proof.

What can be proved?
That will, of itself, limit the field. That purpose winnows the 'evidence'.
I think that is the way to discernment.

It is not found in every flaccid thought ever flatulated on the internet.

Well, let's lay out the facts as we know them.
1: Secret service coverage was inadequate.
Not enough seasoned agents, not properly deployed, not adequate coverage of the site.
Communications with local assets (SWAT, police, Sheriff) were bad or virtually nonexistent.
Agents failed to get their principal (Trump) off the stage when a threat had been identified.

2:Crooks managed to be seen on the property with a rangefinder, and infiltrate with a rifle, get on the roof, and take what shots he did with only being interrupted by a local cop who peeked over the edge of the roof and the hollering of a few locals (civilians). 1 dead, three wounded (counting Trump, not counting Crooks).

Crooks parents (or those in that role) were/are behavioural psychologists.

He apparently had little to no social media presence, but had multiple communication devices.

He allegedly came there on a bicycle, with a backpack, but supposedly had improvised explosive devices in a van, too, with a remote (allegedly to detonate them).

Time signatures (from the crack of the bullet passing to the sound of the gun) come in two flavors, two of the eight shots attributed to crooks were from farther away, or the rounds were significantly faster than the other six. We don't have squat on the ballistics, headstamps on recovered cartridges, brand of ammo, or any bullets that were recovered. Just the time elapsed between the bullet going by and the report of the gun arriving.

At the very leastest level of malice we have an agency with a stellar reputation for personal protection falling flat on a cow pie, face first, in front of God and everyone.

But this is in an administration that has shown malice toward former president Trump, with many who would do anything to keep him from being elected again.

As I have said many times incompetence is the mask behind which malice operates. It's classic passive-aggressive behaviour, deflecting blame to incompetence, to "errors" or "mistakes", rather than intent to do harm. Better to resign and get some other appointment, than go up on charges for attempted murder and conspiracy. Play along and prosper, or hang.

Motive for a wider plot is obvious: Kill the popular favorite, throw opponents into disarray, even cause an uprising that can be quelled by any means necessary, up to Martial Law. Write it off as a boo-boo, and no one goes down except the patsy. If there was a second shooter, as the different time stamps might imply, they packed up and walked away, perhaps even in LEO livery, because there were nearly a half dozen different uniforms (I'm including suits) on the ground.

Now we can blow this off as just being an artifact of DEI, or we can look at where the competent resources were allocated to less likely targets.

But never in the history of the Secret Service have they blown it this badly, not even when Reagan was shot (because adequate surveillance and overwatch could have prevented this incident, unlike Hinkley).

What raises suspicion to higher levels, aside from the unbridled animosity this administration has shown toward Trump, is the information not forthcoming. Ballistic analysis, communication data, including location references, contacts, social media, and so forth. We're as much in the dark about this as the Las Vegas shooter, and that incident stunk on ice.

[roamer_1]

Well, let's lay out the facts as we know them.
1: Secret service coverage was inadequate.
Not enough seasoned agents, not properly deployed, not adequate coverage of the site.
Communications with local assets (SWAT, police, Sheriff) were bad or virtually nonexistent.
Agents failed to get their principal (Trump) off the stage when a threat had been identified.

Lets break that down a bit:
Secret Service coverage was inadequate.... Accepted, but not all the way. I accept as self evident that Biden's administration was shorting Tumpy... as they did also to RFK. That much is almost certain.

Not enough agents/inadequate coverage: That's a bit weird. I am still not sure how many sniper nests were present. Some say two, some say three. Some sources say the kill shot came from the South team - which would mean three - Because the East and West teams are evident on film.

Three seems right to me, because of triangulation, as the minimum for strategic oversight.

Work sharing is normal seepage. I would expect work sharing between overwatch and various LEOS. I would expect zone control divided between various authorities, because that's how it always works. Siloed comms - again, very common in large venues. I recognize the fault in it - But I mean to say that may not be nefarious as much as a faulty systemic problem that became credibly evident in this case. I would imagine this will be studied and altered going forward.

As an addendum, it still bothers the crap out of me that there was no sniper team on the water tower - The obvious high ground - Though perhaps it was rejected because of too much exposure.

2:Crooks managed to be seen on the property with a rangefinder, and infiltrate with a rifle, get on the roof, and take what shots he did with only being interrupted by a local cop who peeked over the edge of the roof and the hollering of a few locals (civilians). 1 dead, three wounded (counting Trump, not counting Crooks).

Still don't know how the rifle got there, probably pre-stashed. 'Outer ring', low danger, mostly focused on crowd control and parking. Certainly a fault. But how it works pretty normally. Nothing nefarious in that.

I can't tell you how many times I 'broke in' to the fair here. Because I knew how. Cops are sleepy and overloaded with sensory input... It's easy to be sneaky in big venues, even as a giant, threatening man like me. It don't take much to put one past the LEOS.

This goes right to the assumption of security that all criminals freely exploit.

Crooks parents (or those in that role) were/are behavioural psychologists.

Which admittedly explains their spawn. But little else.

He apparently had little to no social media presence, but had multiple communication devices.

Weird, for sure. OR, they have not yet found that presence, which could be obfuscated, like many geek-oriented ppl do, as a matter of course. You'd have a hard time finding me on social media, other than my presence on this site. and erstwhile on FR. Try and find my hacker side.

He allegedly came there on a bicycle, with a backpack, but supposedly had improvised explosive devices in a van, too, with a remote (allegedly to detonate them).

All weird, and conflicting reports.

Time signatures (from the crack of the bullet passing to the sound of the gun) come in two flavors, two of the eight shots attributed to crooks were from farther away, or the rounds were significantly faster than the other six. We don't have squat on the ballistics, headstamps on recovered cartridges, brand of ammo, or any bullets that were recovered. Just the time elapsed between the bullet going by and the report of the gun arriving.

Actually, three flavors.

At the very leastest level of malice we have an agency with a stellar reputation for personal protection falling flat on a cow pie, face first, in front of God and everyone.

That's right. But not necessarily malice, where ineptitude and laziness suffice. Add to that a replacement crew... And a familiar routine interrupted... Both the familiarity (breeding ho-hum) and the replacement (breeding ineptitude) suffice to explain much...

But this is in an administration that has shown malice toward former president Trump, with many who would do anything to keep him from being elected again.

Already accepted (along with RFK as proof)

As I have said many times incompetence is the mask behind which malice operates. It's classic passive-aggressive behaviour, deflecting blame to incompetence, to "errors" or "mistakes", rather than intent to do harm. Better to resign and get some other appointment, than go up on charges for attempted murder and conspiracy. Play along and prosper, or hang.

A reasonable argument, but Hanlon's razor still applies... And I would stand there, in the light of what evidence we actually have.

Motive for a wider plot is obvious: Kill the popular favorite, throw opponents into disarray, even cause an uprising that can be quelled by any means necessary, up to Martial Law. Write it off as a boo-boo, and no one goes down except the patsy. If there was a second shooter, as the different time stamps might imply, they packed up and walked away, perhaps even in LEO livery, because there were nearly a half dozen different uniforms (I'm including suits) on the ground.

Motive abounds, but proof does not.

Now we can blow this off as just being an artifact of DEI, or we can look at where the competent resources were allocated to less likely targets.

But never in the history of the Secret Service have they blown it this badly, not even when Reagan was shot (because adequate surveillance and overwatch could have prevented this incident, unlike Hinkley).

You mistake my intention. By no means 'Blow this off'. My counsel is to wait and identify actual proof, rather than going down every damn rabbit hole the interwebs provide. Endless bullshit.

What raises suspicion to higher levels, aside from the unbridled animosity this administration has shown toward Trump, is the information not forthcoming. Ballistic analysis, communication data, including location references, contacts, social media, and so forth. We're as much in the dark about this as the Las Vegas shooter, and that incident stunk on ice.

Suspicion is fine. but proof is still required.

It is again, normal seepage for LEOs to be reluctant to release evidence to the press. Court cases require cards held close. That too is enough... It does not have to be a coverup. Not saying it ain't, by the way. I am saying it requires actual proof.

[goatprairie]

Have you read all 45 pages of this thread?

Of course not. Why should I? You made a claim that the current admin was involved in plotting the shooting.
Please provide proof instead of unsubstantiated allegations.  I don't mean Dan Bonzino or other "conservative" cranks on the radio or internet.
Too much of allegations of sneaky behavior on the part of the opposition involves wanting it to be true.
It's been more than sixty years since JFK was assassinated, and in that time there has been a whole industry of people alleging nefarious plots by Castro, the Mafia, evil corporations, etc. to have JFK shot.
Instead, it was most likely one lone Marxist nut, Lee Harvey Oswald, who did it by himself.
I believe some guy named Posner has written a book (which I haven't read) called "Case Closed" where he rebuts all the allegations of a sinister plot. Nobody has arisen to refute his book.
In the case of Crooks attempt on Trump's life, why would the admin hire someone like Crooks who was actually seen by many people and almost stopped by a local gendarme before he got his shots off against Trump? Crooks attempt would be laughable if someone hadn't gotten killed and Trump narrowly avoiding have his head blown off.
Just put this down to the ineptitude of the SS. That is what is the cause of many botched security missions.
And the fact that no candidate is totally safe from a determined assassin. I'm sure George Wallace had good security, but that didn't prevent Arthur Bremer from shooting him. Bremer didn't necessarily want to shoot only Wallace. Supposedly, he would have shot any candidate in the area. It sounds like that was true for Crooks. He researched the itinerary of both Trump and Biden.
Gerald Ford was almost killed twice by untrained female assassins. Luckily, Squeaky Fromme didn't know how to operate a semi-automatic gun, and Sarah Jane Moore had a bystander knock her gun out of her line of sight on Ford.
And you would have to believe that the admin managed to convince all the SS agents to get in the plot without any of them revealing it to the public. Utterly unbelievable.

[mountaineer]

Of course not. Why should I? You made a claim that the current admin was involved in plotting the shooting. Please provide proof instead of unsubstantiated allegations.

I didn't "claim" anything, and I'm not . I said I believed the feds may have had some involvement. Break the pills in half.

[Smokin Joe]

Of course not. Why should I? You made a claim that the current admin was involved in plotting the shooting.
Please provide proof instead of unsubstantiated allegations.  I don't mean Dan Bonzino or other "conservative" cranks on the radio or internet.
Too much of allegations of sneaky behavior on the part of the opposition involves wanting it to be true.
It's been more than sixty years since JFK was assassinated, and in that time there has been a whole industry of people alleging nefarious plots by Castro, the Mafia, evil corporations, etc. to have JFK shot.

Well, that was sealed up, and supposedly addressed by the Warren Commission. I have a copy of that summary around here somewhere.
Nature abhors a vacuum, and people will find reasons for things that may be far removed from reality to blame. With Kennedy, there were many, from expat Cubans over The Bay of Pigs (airstrikes were called off which could have led to success, rather than failure) to the Mob, lots of folks had reasons to want to eliminate him, especially the Communists.
Actually, one of my favorite 'plots' pointed to the Federal Reserve banking cartel, where Kennedy was leaning toward directly monetizing the debt (United States Notes) as opposed to Federal Reserve Notes, which put our money supply in the hands of a banking cartel, which makes bank off that.

Incidentally,at the end of Kennedy's elected term (after his death) the mint quit making silver coins (with the exception of 40% silver Kennedy halves through 1970) for general circulation, and the United States Notes and Silver Certificates became collectors' items. The 'cash' we've passed around since has been promissory notes from the Federal Reserve, Silver Certificates being no longer issued after 1964.  Like with the part on the Social Security card that said "For Social Security and Tax purposes--not for identification", which is no longer present, paper currency no longer said "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private and is redeemable in lawful money at the United States Treasury or any Federal Reserve Bank", lawful money being (Constitutionally), gold or silver, but was truncated to "This note is legal tender for all debts, Public and Private". Further freed from ties to intrinsic value during Nixon's watch, gold went on the market again, for investment. Of course, the US Mint has issued bullion coins and proof strikes in gold and silver since, but those command a premium above spot, far beyond their face value ($1 for an ounce of .999 fine silver, $50 for an ounce of Gold, be it a Buffalo or Eagle).

Instead, it was most likely one lone Marxist nut, Lee Harvey Oswald, who did it by himself.
I believe some guy named Posner has written a book (which I haven't read) called "Case Closed" where he rebuts all the allegations of a sinister plot. Nobody has arisen to refute his book.

As I said, lots of room for speculation when the records have been sealed. Newly revealed information indicates some CIA involvement, but it is truly a cold case, and let the dead bury their dead.

In the case of Crooks attempt on Trump's life, why would the admin hire someone like Crooks who was actually seen by many people and almost stopped by a local gendarme before he got his shots off against Trump? Crooks attempt would be laughable if someone hadn't gotten killed and Trump narrowly avoiding have his head blown off.

Did the FBI have to hire anyone in the past to get them to do nefarious things, from kidnapping a governor to blowing up the WTC in '93, the FBI found willing dupes to go along with the plan, and either 'stung' them or missed (oops). The trick isn't to hire Crooks, just motivate him and make it possible, while lining him up to be the patsy and having a second, very capable shooter to take the shot. Crooks gets blamed, the pro walks off, and dead Crooks tell no tales. It's an attractive theory, because there are a number of gravy trains that could be derailed in a second Trump administration, from Big Pharmas medicine show to Pentagon procurement, and the suffering in the latter sector should peace be established. Lots of money at stake, and if the $100 Billion in profits over COVID by suppressing cheap, viable, and effective treatments to maintain an EUA and sell untested shots (and rolling out the censorship/propaganda bandwagon) is any indicator, there are those who put profit ahead of our lives in a heartbeat, without regard for the misery, suffering, and death that produced. Look ahead to future earnings potential in one situation versus the other, and you have plenty of motive. 

Just put this down to the ineptitude of the SS. That is what is the cause of many botched security missions.
And the fact that no candidate is totally safe from a determined assassin. I'm sure George Wallace had good security, but that didn't prevent Arthur Bremer from shooting him. Bremer didn't necessarily want to shoot only Wallace. Supposedly, he would have shot any candidate in the area. It sounds like that was true for Crooks. He researched the itinerary of both Trump and Biden.

Well, that's what we are hearing. From the people suspected of being complicit in any plot. Hmmmmm. It becomes a question of veracity, and the question is one of whether we want to trust the people who have really trashed their reputation with lies to tell us the truth for a change.

Gerald Ford was almost killed twice by untrained female assassins. Luckily, Squeaky Fromme didn't know how to operate a semi-automatic gun, and Sarah Jane Moore had a bystander knock her gun out of her line of sight on Ford.

I'm not saying nutcases aren't out there, I'm just questioning if nefarious persons haven't in all their years of studying profiling, learned how to steer those toward specific targets and enable them to cause trouble. The GFF (Goat F*** Factor) is always present, and what might have been successful attempts were thwarted.

And you would have to believe that the admin managed to convince all the SS agents to get in the plot without any of them revealing it to the public. Utterly unbelievable.

Nope. It would not take all of them being in on it. Just the folks at the top. Assemble a novel (never worked together before) team of agents who may not have even done personal security, under man them, give them no direction in interacting with local assets, hell don't even put them on the same channel, and leave an opening by declaring the perimeter to be well inside competent rifle range. Most kids here can hit a dinner plate at 150 yards with a rifle. It doesn't take a sniper, and the shooter didn't even have an effective hide (he was spotted a considerable time before he actually took a shot).

Give me a handful of farmers or oilfield hands to do security, and they won't be in the break room breastfeeding, but will be alert and watching for any disturbances that might indicate trouble, and will err on the side of caution, not wait for shots to be fired.

Imho, the people at the top of the Secret Service get their marching orders from higher up. This was engineered incompetence, people boxing well above their weight class, and someone sent them there. Look at the bosses, not the minions.

[Cyber Liberty]

At some point, the stack of coincidences required to explain things away topples from its own weight.

[roamer_1]

At some point, the stack of coincidences required to explain things away topples from its own weight.

But that ain't here.

Let me put it this way y'all...
The very hardest thing to plan for and correct in security is complacency.
That will be the first culprit here.

[Smokin Joe]

But that ain't here.

Let me put it this way y'all...
The very hardest thing to plan for and correct in security is complacency.
That will be the first culprit here.

This isn't some bunch of weekend hires at the County fair sporting T-shirts.
This is an organization with a long record of being top notch.
That record comes from competent protection, from being on top of their game and getting it right purt'near every time.
Sure, failures can just happen, but it's even easier for people in the right position to engineer them.
Why there, then, and with Trump? And just happen to have a "kook" to take the shot when the holes are left in the perimeter? When on countless other occasions there would be no threat?

A lot of holes have to line up in the Swiss Cheese for that to get through, and no small number of them can be lined up on purpose.

[Cyber Liberty]

But that ain't here.

And that is why sane and intelligent people differ on whether or not something nefarious is going on.  Who knows where the threshold is?

[roamer_1]

This isn't some bunch of weekend hires at the County fair sporting T-shirts.

YES, it absolutely IS. The lion's share of the coverage is going to be Sheriff's Posse, or the like.
Same with Stateys in the inner ring.

and that ain't to throw shade at those good folks. That's just to say that's how it's done, everywhere I have ever been... And I have worked my share of big venues. *NONE* of this surprises me, with the exception of the overwatch and SS presence.

So much of what y'all have noted is just part of the furniture... I know it was faulty, and I don't blame you for callin it out.  But these folks have done hundreds of low security easy going hick towns. They KNOW he is loved in rural areas, so it is very easy to attribute their inattentiveness to normal seepage... To complacence. And they got caught with their pants down.

That's 9/10ths of this, right off the bat. I don't need to ascribe it to any nefarious conspiracy, because I have lived it - From both sides. I have both been a guard, and outwitted the guards. I KNOW how easy it is.

They weren't ready.

Now, there is some room for conspiracy... I readily admit that they were shorted, and given b-grade agents. That much is true, for sure. That created a hole in oversight, which is the governing authority in all the rest. That is there. TRUE.

Does that prove the whole '2nd shooter' thing, and 'Crook's a patsy' thing?

No. And there is where the proof goes skinny. Super skinny. It could be... But one would have to suspend disbelief and WANT it to be that way in order to capitulate to that story.

JMO

This is an organization with a long record of being top notch.
That record comes from competent protection, from being on top of their game and getting it right purt'near every time.
Sure, failures can just happen, but it's even easier for people in the right position to engineer them.
Why there, then, and with Trump? And just happen to have a "kook" to take the shot when the holes are left in the perimeter? When on countless other occasions there would be no threat?

A lot of holes have to line up in the Swiss Cheese for that to get through, and no small number of them can be lined up on purpose.

That's right. Pretty shabby.

[roamer_1]

And that is why sane and intelligent people differ on whether or not something nefarious is going on.  Who knows where the threshold is?

That's right. And fair.
I am just calling for proof.

[Smokin Joe]

Give those T-shirts competent leadership, and they will perform.
For many of the Local LEOs and Sheriff's guys, this was going to be a notch in their gun, they helped do security for Trump! You know they'd want to get it right, but the SS is in command of the operation, and can pull rank on them, whether they had a better idea or not.

There is a bit of training, etc that goes into being a Secret Service Agent, and even more to be on the personal protection detail.
You can't tell me that doesn't include working with local assets, and at least getting everyone on the same damned radio channel. If the local cops can't communicate with the Sheriff, or the SWAT, and none are tied in to communicate with the Secret Service Agents, that is a Serious Failure.
I thought that lesson was learned at Desert 1 (Operation Eagle Claw) during the Carter years.
Especially with the principal (the person being protected) on stage, everyone should be on their tippy toes with their heads on a swivel and their spidey sense ramped up.

That doesn't prove the second shooter, (even though the time lag difference between bullet crack and report sure points that way, 6 of 8 were the same, two were not, and that isn't counting the final shot that took out Crooks). As far as 5.56/.223 casings a couple could have been added to those on the roof easy, but then, we are back in conspiracy territory. No one counted the rounds left in Crooks mag (if he had 24, he didn't fire all 8). Having fewer does not prove he did either, as many folks will only put 27 in a 30 round mag to help prevent feed jams (I am one, I load all but pistol and 10-22 to 90%).

THere are a lot of holes in the information that we won't see filled in. Autopsy report. Ballistics. Communications log (won't be one, they were not on the same frequency). And some of the Keystone cops actions afterwards are almost comical, were it not for the situation.

[mountaineer]

At about 1:52 of the video, you see a sniper apparently sighting in on Crooks.
I have not watched the entire video.

https://twitter.com/FaceSmasher3000/status/1830626665937989726

[Elderberry]

Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO

🚨🚨 NEW Whistleblower tells me most of the agents at the Trump rally the day of the assassination attempt were Homeland Security NOT Secret Service — and the only training they received was a 2-hour online “webinar”! Outrageous

https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1831132426573054452

[Hoodat]

At about 1:52 of the video, you see a sniper apparently sighting in on Crooks.
I have not watched the entire video.

It's my understanding that this government sniper is NOT the sniper who shot Crooks.  Can someone else confirm that?

[mystery-ak]

Hawley: Whistleblowers Claim Some Agents Had Only Webinar Training the Day of Attempted Trump Assassination

Tuesday, during an appearance on FNC’s “Jesse Watters Primetime,” Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) said new whistleblower claims reveal that some of the Secret Service agents on former President Donald Trump’s detail on the day of the attempted assassination had webinar training only.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/09/03/hawley-whistleblowers-claim-some-agents-had-only-webinar-training-the-day-of-attempted-trump-assassination/

[Bigun]

It's my understanding that this government sniper is NOT the sniper who shot Crooks.  Can someone else confirm that?

It is my understanding that Crooks was taken out by a member of one of the local SWAT teams. NOT by the Secret Service.

[verga]

The FBI is stuffed full of actual criminals.
The FBI works for the DNC.
The FBI is lying with every sentence they publish.

My prayer is that if/when Trump gets into office that there is a top done total house clearing. Anyone that has anything to do with either the Biden, Obama, or Clinton administration isd told to resign or be prosecuted for negligence and or incompetency.

[mountaineer]

Hawley: Whistleblowers Claim Some Agents Had Only Webinar Training the Day of Attempted Trump Assassination

Not just a "webinar," but one that was only occasionally accessible.

[mountaineer]

This is the Secret Service in 2024:

The Secret Service's Office of Equity Diversity and Inclusion today at 11:09 a.m. ET sent out an agency-wide request (see email below) for nominees to attend an all-expense paid trip to an LGBTQ+ "Out and Equal" Workplace Summit at Disney World in Orlando Oct. 7-10.

The call for nominees to attend the conference, which includes leadership plenary sessions, a "Night Out" at Disney Studios, and a gala event the final night, is rankling many rank-and-file special agents and Uniformed Division officers.  ...

https://twitter.com/susancrabtree/status/1831413286539292709

[240B]

Bombshell congressional report on Trump assassination attempt reveals 'who REALLY took the first shot at Thomas Crooks'

DAILYMAIL.COM
By Will Potter
4 September 2024

A bombshell congressional report claims would-be Trump assassin Thomas Crooks was incapacitated by a local cop before he was killed by a Secret Service sniper.

Two months after Crooks shot the former president's ear at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, a preliminary report from Rep. Clay Higgins offered a differing narrative to the official one pushed by the FBI.

While it was initially claimed that Crooks was shot in the head within seconds by a Secret Service sniper, Higgins' report claimed it was actually a local SWAT operator who stopped the gunman's hail of bullets.

The congressman said the local cop's shot 'hit Crooks' rifle and fragged his face/ neck/ right shoulder area from the (gun) stock breaking up', which meant Crooks was unable to keep firing before he was killed.

It comes amid mounting scrutiny on the FBI and Secret Service's investigations into the shooting, weeks after Higgins also revealed Crooks' body was mysteriously cremated with approval from the FBI after just 10 days.

(more)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13810697/Thomas-Crooks-Trump-shot-Butler-Higgins.html

[IsailedawayfromFR]

My prayer is that if/when Trump gets into office that there is a top done total house clearing. Anyone that has anything to do with either the Biden, Obama, or Clinton administration isd told to resign or be prosecuted for negligence and or incompetency.

And get them out of the umbrella of the political appointee at DHS

[Hoodat]

We have the NY sentencing coming up.  Can anyone imagine them taking Trump into custody, and then staging a Jack Ruby event on the way to processing him?

[corbe]

   You blow my mind @Hoodat
   (not hard to do this time of night)

[corbe]

   I'm on topic cause his Dad assassinated a Federal Judge.

[Smokin Joe]

We have the NY sentencing coming up.  Can anyone imagine them taking Trump into custody, and then staging a Jack Ruby event on the way to processing him?

If not then, then an Epstein retake, or just a shiv in the shower.

He'd be safer walking down the street at night than in lockup. It only takes one or two TDS types for CWII to kick off.

[Hoodat]

   You blow my mind @Hoodat
   (not hard to do this time of night)

I used to think she was attractive.  Until I saw that.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Staying today at a hotel in Austin, Tx and talked to a maintenance man who recounted to me an experience he had with the SS.

About 6 years ago he was involved in remodeling a hotel near the airport which caused him to be working on the hotel roof.  It happened that president Trump was flying in that day for a visit.  The Secret Service was diligent enough to notice him and actually climbed up onto the roof to ascertain who he was and what he was doing there.  They brought him down and interviewed the hotel mgr and copied ids of all to ensure there was no threat to Trump.

The hotel was in the landing zone of Air Force 1.

Too bad the SS did not have that degree of diligence in Butler PA at a rally on looking onto rooftops.

[catfish1957]

Too bad the SS did not have that degree of diligence in Butler PA at a rally on looking onto rooftops.

4 years is a lifetime in government and poltics. That is how much damage these clowns have wrought.

[mystery-ak]

USSS assistant director asked to retire over Butler assassination attempt on Trump
The USSS is preparing to brief Congress in the coming days about lessons learned from the July 13th attempt on Trump's life
 By David Spunt , Jake Gibson Fox News
Published September 10, 2024 9:26am EDT

 A high-ranking leader within the Secret Service has been asked to retire following the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, Fox News Digital has learned.

Michael Plati, office of protective operations assistant director, has been asked to retire and is ending his tenure with the service in the coming days.

Plati was asked to step down by senior leadership, including Acting Director Ronald Rowe.

Fox News Digital has reached out to the United States Secret Service for comment and is awaiting its response.

The USSS is preparing to brief Congress in the coming days about lessons learned from the July 13th attempt on Trump's life.

This is a developing story. Please check back soon for further updates.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/usss-assistant-director-asked-retire-over-butler-assassination-attempt-trump

[Timber Rattler]

Designated fall guy.

[Cyber Liberty]

Designated fall guy.

Ayup.  Rowe is the guy who dunnit.

[jafo2010]

There should be indictments, not retirements.  Multiple people in the Secret Service were involved in this assassination, and until pressure is applied, the truth will never be revealed.  Rather than a life with a pension, at a minimum, it should be life behind bars. This was a conspiracy to kill Trump, and it is not over yet.

Whoever is behind this attempt is still free to coordinate another attempt.

I say Trump is at greater risk right this moment than he was in Butler, PA.  He insists on large public outings, where his safety is at risk.  My fear is that the pro gets his shot before the election.  The boy, Crooks was a patsy, who had people manipulating him every step of the way.  But if you do not investigate, you do not get answers.

[mystery-ak]

Melania Trump Raises Questions About Assassination Attempt on Her Husband: ‘We Need to Uncover the Truth’

Former first lady Melania Trump raised questions surrounding the assassination attempt on her husband, former President Donald Trump, stating that they “need to uncover the truth.”

https://twitter.com/MELANIATRUMP/status/1833476085998063741

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/09/10/melania-trump-raises-questions-about-assassination-attempt-on-her-husband-we-need-to-uncover-the-truth/

[Timber Rattler]

Hmmmm...

US Secret Service official who oversees protective operations to retire this week

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/10/politics/us-secret-service-official-who-oversees-protective-operations-plan-to-retire/index.html

A Secret Service spokesperson said it was Plati’s “personal decision” and denied a media report that he had been asked to retire by senior leadership at the agency.

“Assistant Director Plati was not asked to resign or retire by anyone,” the spokesperson said in a statement to CNN. “This was a personal decision that he has made, and we thank him for his 27 years of dedicated service to the federal government.”

EXCERPT

[American Girl]

Excerpt from the article:
Don Lemon just can’t help himself. The former CNN anchor has once again shown his true colors, reacting with utter disdain and mockery to Melania Trump’s heartfelt message about the attempted assassination of her husband, former President Donald Trump.

In a video released by Melania Trump, she emotionally described the horror and distress she felt when a deranged shooter took aim at her husband during a rally. With raw emotion, she demanded answers about the security failures that nearly cost the former president his life, stating, “There is definitely more to this story and we need to uncover the truth.”

Instead of showing any basic human decency, Don Lemon decided to publicly ridicule Melania’s heartfelt plea. In a now-deleted reaction video, Lemon was seen rolling his eyes and making faces as Melania recounted the terrifying ordeal. As she described the assassination attempt as a “horrible and distressing experience,” Lemon disgustingly waved his hands in the air, shaking his head in complete disapproval. His dismissive gestures made it clear he didn’t care about the fact that her husband was almost murdered.






What a sick freak.
Don Lemon is the biggest douchebag in the universe!! 
Freaking Loser!!
A normal person would never react this way!

https://redstatenation.com/melania-trump-describes-her-distress-over-the-attempted-assassination-of-her-husband-watch-don-lemons-disgusting-reaction-in-now-deleted-video/

[mountaineer]

Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO
Now I’m told the Department of Homeland Security is pressuring the Secret Service not to comply with document requests by Congress about the Trump assassination attempt.

https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1834396709964628463

[libertybele]

Josh Hawley
@HawleyMO
Now I’m told the Department of Homeland Security is pressuring the Secret Service not to comply with document requests by Congress about the Trump assassination attempt.

https://twitter.com/HawleyMO/status/1834396709964628463

Right, what could they possibly be trying to hide from the American people??

[Cyber Liberty]

Right, what could they possibly be trying to hide from the American people??

Homeland Security was in on it.

[Smokin Joe]

Homeland Security was in on it.

Yep. I believe it was a sanctioned 'hit' attempt, at some level in the government.

[libertybele]

Yep. I believe it was a sanctioned 'hit' attempt, at some level in the government.

No doubts!

[mystery-ak]

Top Secret Service agents plan to retire ahead of damning report revealing massive security failures during Butler Trump assassination attempt

Several high-ranking Secret Service agents are stepping down just before the public release of an internal investigation into the failures that led to the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

The Post Millennial
Sep 15, 2024 3 minute read

Several high-ranking Secret Service agents are stepping down just before the public release of an internal investigation into the failures that led to the assassination attempt on Donald Trump in Butler, PA on July 13. Among the findings of the report is the revelation that agents did not instruct local police to secure the rooftop of the building where the gunman positioned himself, two anonymous sources have revealed to the Washington Post.

Mike Plati, the assistant director of the Office of Protective Operations, officially retired on Friday, according to a statement from the Secret Service.

John Buckley, a senior executive responsible for managing resources for public event security, is also set to retire soon, as revealed in an email sent to Secret Service staff. Additionally, a senior agent from the Pittsburgh field office, who was involved in developing a security plan, has signaled his intent to retire, according to an official familiar with the investigation.

Kimberly Cheatle, the agency's director, resigned shortly after a shooting incident, following bipartisan pressure for her to step down. She had been criticized for not providing immediate details about the investigation and for waiting for a 60-day review to conclude before sharing more information.

more
https://thepostmillennial.com/top-secret-service-agents-plan-to-retire-ahead-of-damning-report-revealing-massive-security-failures-during-butler-trump-assassination-attempt

[ChemEngrMBA]

September 16, 2024

Second assassination attempt against Trump by another insane Trump-hater

According to what appears to be a self-published e-book in 2023, Routh previously thought about the idea of a Trump assassination. In a section about Iran, Routh apologized to the Middle East nation for having previously voted for Trump, whom Routh described as a “retarded child” and said “ended up being brainless” for dismantling the U.S.-Iran nuclear deal.

“I am man enough to say that I misjudged and made a terrible mistake,” Routh wrote. “You are free to assassinate Trump as well as me for that error in judgment.”

“No one here in the U.S. seems to have the balls to put natural selection to work,” he added, “or even unnatural selection.”

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The difference between Democrats is widespread violence, arson, rioting, and two assassination attempts versus none of the foregoing for Republicans.

I just added the above to my website at http://RealKamalaHarris.blogspot.com

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[corbe]

ALLEN WEST THINKS THE SHOOTER WAS TIPPED OFF


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2lBDyTJj_o