A GOP Landslide in November

[Maj. Bill Martin]

How would a true conservative ha dle these issues:

2. The erasure of American individual freedoms by overbearing Federal, state and local governments,

By looking at what Trump did in response to COVID, and definitely not doing that.

5. Military spending, training and qualifications,

Again, looking at what Trump did and choosing a different direction would be a good start.  For example:

1) not overruling the recommendations of the Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff in selecting Mark "White Rage" Milley as the next CJS.  Then giving him a commendation before leaving office.

2) not signing the National Defense Authorization Act that required the Marine Corps to implement gender integration in recruit training.

[roamer_1]

You're nothing but a troll at this point in time.

Bullshit! There is no difference. What changed? Nothing.
The government grew bigger and more rights have been taken.
And the bigger it gets, the more that will happen.
Because the bigger it gets, the more responsibilities it assumes, the more of your liberty fades.

Liberty has responsibilities.
Freedom has consequences.

When the government takes over responsibilities, liberties associated with that responsibility perish.
That's just a fact.

@AllThatJazzZ has a brilliant tagline to that effect.

[roamer_1]

Well, I wanted to start a thread in the forum a couple of years ago, entitled, ''where do we go from here' and the idea was shut down.

I would very happily engage in discussions about Conservatism instead of this endless soap opera around Tumpy.

I know it cheapens the discussion, and I know first hand that it has caused philosophical Conservatives to walk away.

ETA: I will be very happy when this entire lurid Tumpy thing is over and done.

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/Synchro2021/status/1775259755571036541

[roamer_1]

https://twitter.com/Synchro2021/status/1775259755571036541

No. Because it's bullcrap. History attests his deportation rates were similar to Obama.

[jafo2010]

Right_in_Virginia...
How would a "true conservative"  handle these issues ---

1. American sovereignty vs. illegal immigration,
2. The erasure of American individual freedoms by overbearing Federal, state and local governments,
3. Encroaching globalism and its suffocation of personal self-determination and market independence,
4. Equity vs. equality,
5. Military spending, training and qualifications,
6. Energy independence,
7. The preservation of the American legacy and inheritance, including in the government, education curriculum and the courts.

Frankly, many of us have made suggestions repeatedly on these boards regarding all your questions.  But here is my thoughts to your questions.

1. American sovereignty vs. illegal immigration,

American sovereignty is paramount to me.  PARAMOUNT.  I consider every globalist in the USA a traitor.  Addressing this fact is just as important as addressing the illegal invaders flooding into the USA.  Hang the globalist traitors, every last one of them, and close the border until Congress writes legislation with teeth that control our borders completely.  Deport EVERY ILLEGAL INVADING ALIEN, including the young people Obama opened the door to, the acronym escapes me.

Establish a law that indicates the only refugees into America come via application at one of our embassies, and NOT at our border.

2. The erasure of American individual freedoms by overbearing Federal, state and local governments,

COVID response opened the floodgate for denying our rights as Americans.   New policies must be established regarding pandemics and other catastrophic events.  The COVID pandemic proved absolutely that organizations like the CDC and NIH were NOT prepared to address such an outbreak.  Both these organizations, as well as most other federal branches of government are grossly overstaffed.  If Trump were smart, he would put a hiring freeze in place for every federal agency with the exception of military branches.  No one need be terminated, but as folks retire, leave, die, etc, they are NOT replaced until there is a goal met.  I suggest a 30% reduction in budget and numbers of folks staffing our government.  Once both conditions are met, then hiring can be opened up for positions that are vacated.  Also, end all contractors working for the government within six months of Trump taking office.  I know for fact that the contractors do the work while the employees sit back doing very little in the way of work.  End that nonsense now!

Establish rules regarding censorship for tech companies, rules that LIMIT their ability to censor anything.  Exceptions would be for porno, graphic presentations of people being harmed, etc.  But the verbal expression of thought should be excluded.  PERIOD!!!

3. Encroaching globalism and its suffocation of personal self-determination and market independence,

I think I made myself clear above.  Until we make supporting globalism a capital crime, the erosion of our sovereignty will continue.  I say indict, convict, and dispatch every last globalist at sunrise the following day upon conviction.  WE need to get smart about those out to destroy this nation.  Freedom is one thing, but we have become a very dumb nation regarding treason.  Redefine treason and put real teeth to the consequences.  Guilty of treason, death is the ONLY outsome.  Again, in a country with a population marching to 400 million, we can afford to eliminate every last globalist, and not skip a beat.

4. Equity vs. equality,

Equity is slowly dying.  We absolutely must have a system based on merit, or we continue our march to become exactly like soviet Russia, where people are NOT productive.  We become silent, our vote doesn't matter because elections are fixed, etc.

5. Military spending, training and qualifications,

We have military in 140+ nations.  I say our allies step up, or we decide who are our true allies, and we get smart about our influence throughout the world.  I would not be opposed to reducing our presence in some of these countries.

6. Energy independence,

Pure energy independence with a vengeance.  What Biden and the Democommies have done is criminal, and absolutely insane.  I do not believe in the climate change nonsense.  And it makes no sense the USA make policy along this line while China and India are going full tilt to destroy the environment.  Makes no sense.

EVs will not make it.  PERIOD!!!  They are not competitive.  When the day arrives when the government does not subsidize the purchase of EVs, their sales end.  Most EVs are being leased, not bought.  When manufacturers get the cars back off lease, they ship them overseas and sell them like new cars.  Check your used car lots.  It is rare even now to see a used EV on used car lots.  After forcing that crap as Biden has done, the sales are still single digit.  Most are leased and shipped out of the USA when they come off lease.  What will half the population do when there are no used cars available, and that is all they can afford?  Walk to work?  Yeah, right!!!  The UGLY TRUTH is that EVs are choking a part of our markets, that being the used car market.  If EVs ever got to massive sales, we would NOT have the electric available to charge them daily.  The grid cannot support the use requirements now let alone tens of millions of vehicles being charged daily.

And you want to compromise our military, have them use EVs only.  Hours to recharge a vehicle versus minutes to refuel a combustion engine.  Get real, these Democommies are total idiots.

7. The preservation of the American legacy and inheritance, including in the government, education curriculum and the courts.

We need sanity returned to the classroom.  It should be a felony for any teacher, admin, or any support person at our schools to encourage children to consider transgender anything.  I consider what is going on worse than pedophilia.  And talk about rights, I think it is time for our Congress to add a new right for parents.  Parents should have absolute rights to guide their children, and no one else.  PERIOD!!!  Otherwise, again we are approaching children as they were treated during the soviet era in Russia, where the state has control, and that is where we are right now in the USA.  Talk about dark times ahead, sit back and allow that nonsense to establish further and we are indeed in deep trouble as a society.

Reading Bret Baier's book on Ulysses S. Grant (a great read), I did not realize the woke morons tore down a statue of Grant in the USA.  When you consider his history, these people need to pay restitution for the damage they caused.  This woke idiocy must be labeled anarchy behavior, and must have a serious level felony charge attached, that puts these people behind bars for ten years.

Peaceful demonstration is one thing, but the destruction of property is another.  Time to arrest and throw looters in prison too for five + years.  And they must pay restitution for their thievery.  And the time is long overdue to address the theft of people homes.  Anyone stealing property valued at $100,000 or greater should face a capital outcome.  We hung people for stealing a loaf of bread not that long ago.  The theft of a family home, which is happening should have serious consequences.

We must end the Diversified Visa Program, which is bringing in large numbers of muslims from hostile nations.  Iran year in, year out leads the numbers for a country with Greencard Lottery recipients.  This is crazy.  Again, we must have a well designed immigration program and sh*t can the existing programs.

Culturally, we need to create a national law that makes it a capital crime if a police officer is murdered.  Too many are dying because we have weak laws.  I want teeth in criminal laws.


Addendum

Also paramount, is the establishment of TERM LIMITS IN CONGRESS>  Nothing much changes until this happens.  Too many lifers holding seats, and doing next to nothing.

Also, end the counting of illegal invaders being included in determining congressional districts.

Establish an amendment to the Constitution that restricts those that are NOT citizens from voting.  Illegal aliens voting dilutes those that have a true right to the franchise.

End the right to citizenship because you were born in the USA.  In order to receive USA citizenship, you must have a parent that is a USA citizen.  PERIOD!!!

Change requirements for running for POTUS AND VPOTUS.  35 years of age is not old enough, and that and being born in the USA is idiotic.  More requirements should be established, like run a business or government entity with more than 10,000 employees.  (Pick a bigger number if you want).  There is not one 35 year old in the USA I would vote for.  NOT one.

And I could go on, but I have to run to a meeting.

[Bigun]

Frankly, many of us have made suggestions repeatedly on these boards regarding all your questions.  But here is my thoughts to your questions.

1. American sovereignty vs. illegal immigration,

American sovereignty is paramount to me.  PARAMOUNT.  I consider every globalist in the USA a traitor.  Addressing this fact is just as important as addressing the illegal invaders flooding into the USA.  Hang the globalist traitors, every last one of them, and close the border until Congress writes legislation with teeth that control our borders completely.  Deport EVERY ILLEGAL INVADING ALIEN, including the young people Obama opened the door to, the acronym escapes me.

Establish a law that indicates the only refugees into America come via application at one of our embassies, and NOT at our border.

2. The erasure of American individual freedoms by overbearing Federal, state and local governments,

COVID response opened the floodgate for denying our rights as Americans.   New policies must be established regarding pandemics and other catastrophic events.  The COVID pandemic proved absolutely that organizations like the CDC and NIH were NOT prepared to address such an outbreak.  Both these organizations, as well as most other federal branches of government are grossly overstaffed.  If Trump were smart, he would put a hiring freeze in place for every federal agency with the exception of military branches.  No one need be terminated, but as folks retire, leave, die, etc, they are NOT replaced until there is a goal met.  I suggest a 30% reduction in budget and numbers of folks staffing our government.  Once both conditions are met, then hiring can be opened up for positions that are vacated.  Also, end all contractors working for the government within six months of Trump taking office.  I know for fact that the contractors do the work while the employees sit back doing very little in the way of work.  End that nonsense now!

Establish rules regarding censorship for tech companies, rules that LIMIT their ability to censor anything.  Exceptions would be for porno, graphic presentations of people being harmed, etc.  But the verbal expression of thought should be excluded.  PERIOD!!!

3. Encroaching globalism and its suffocation of personal self-determination and market independence,

I think I made myself clear above.  Until we make supporting globalism a capital crime, the erosion of our sovereignty will continue.  I say indict, convict, and dispatch every last globalist at sunrise the following day upon conviction.  WE need to get smart about those out to destroy this nation.  Freedom is one thing, but we have become a very dumb nation regarding treason.  Redefine treason and put real teeth to the consequences.  Guilty of treason, death is the ONLY outsome.  Again, in a country with a population marching to 400 million, we can afford to eliminate every last globalist, and not skip a beat.

4. Equity vs. equality,

Equity is slowly dying.  We absolutely must have a system based on merit, or we continue our march to become exactly like soviet Russia, where people are NOT productive.  We become silent, our vote doesn't matter because elections are fixed, etc.

5. Military spending, training and qualifications,

We have military in 140+ nations.  I say our allies step up, or we decide who are our true allies, and we get smart about our influence throughout the world.  I would not be opposed to reducing our presence in some of these countries.

6. Energy independence,

Pure energy independence with a vengeance.  What Biden and the Democommies have done is criminal, and absolutely insane.  I do not believe in the climate change nonsense.  And it makes no sense the USA make policy along this line while China and India are going full tilt to destroy the environment.  Makes no sense.

EVs will not make it.  PERIOD!!!  They are not competitive.  When the day arrives when the government does not subsidize the purchase of EVs, their sales end.  Most EVs are being leased, not bought.  When manufacturers get the cars back off lease, they ship them overseas and sell them like new cars.  Check your used car lots.  It is rare even now to see a used EV on used car lots.  After forcing that crap as Biden has done, the sales are still single digit.  Most are leased and shipped out of the USA when they come off lease.  What will half the population do when there are no used cars available, and that is all they can afford?  Walk to work?  Yeah, right!!!  The UGLY TRUTH is that EVs are choking a part of our markets, that being the used car market.  If EVs ever got to massive sales, we would NOT have the electric available to charge them daily.  The grid cannot support the use requirements now let alone tens of millions of vehicles being charged daily.

And you want to compromise our military, have them use EVs only.  Hours to recharge a vehicle versus minutes to refuel a combustion engine.  Get real, these Democommies are total idiots.

7. The preservation of the American legacy and inheritance, including in the government, education curriculum and the courts.

We need sanity returned to the classroom.  It should be a felony for any teacher, admin, or any support person at our schools to encourage children to consider transgender anything.  I consider what is going on worse than pedophilia.  And talk about rights, I think it is time for our Congress to add a new right for parents.  Parents should have absolute rights to guide their children, and no one else.  PERIOD!!!  Otherwise, again we are approaching children as they were treated during the soviet era in Russia, where the state has control, and that is where we are right now in the USA.  Talk about dark times ahead, sit back and allow that nonsense to establish further and we are indeed in deep trouble as a society.

Reading Bret Baier's book on Ulysses S. Grant (a great read), I did not realize the woke morons tore down a statue of Grant in the USA.  When you consider his history, these people need to pay restitution for the damage they caused.  This woke idiocy must be labeled anarchy behavior, and must have a serious level felony charge attached, that puts these people behind bars for ten years.

Peaceful demonstration is one thing, but the destruction of property is another.  Time to arrest and throw looters in prison too for five + years.  And they must pay restitution for their thievery.  And the time is long overdue to address the theft of people homes.  Anyone stealing property valued at $100,000 or greater should face a capital outcome.  We hung people for stealing a loaf of bread not that long ago.  The theft of a family home, which is happening should have serious consequences.

We must end the Diversified Visa Program, which is bringing in large numbers of muslims from hostile nations.  Iran year in, year out leads the numbers for a country with Greencard Lottery recipients.  This is crazy.  Again, we must have a well designed immigration program and sh*t can the existing programs.

Culturally, we need to create a national law that makes it a capital crime if a police officer is murdered.  Too many are dying because we have weak laws.  I want teeth in criminal laws.


Addendum

Also paramount, is the establishment of TERM LIMITS IN CONGRESS>  Nothing much changes until this happens.  Too many lifers holding seats, and doing next to nothing.

Also, end the counting of illegal invaders being included in determining congressional districts.

Establish an amendment to the Constitution that restricts those that are NOT citizens from voting.  Illegal aliens voting dilutes those that have a true right to the franchise.

End the right to citizenship because you were born in the USA.  In order to receive USA citizenship, you must have a parent that is a USA citizen.  PERIOD!!!

Change requirements for running for POTUS AND VPOTUS.  35 years of age is not old enough, and that and being born in the USA is idiotic.  More requirements should be established, like run a business or government entity with more than 10,000 employees.  (Pick a bigger number if you want).  There is not one 35 year old in the USA I would vote for.  NOT one.

And I could go on, but I have to run to a meeting.

 

Except for the term limits part. IF I ever again find a person who will serve his constituents instead of himself, I damned sure don't want him term limited.

[LMAO]

No. Because it's bullcrap. History attests his deportation rates were similar to Obama.

Actually, Obama did better than Trump in his first four years despite Trump making the same promise of deportations in 2016 as he’s making now

As a presidential candidate in 2016, Trump promised to deport every immigrant living in the U.S. illegally (then estimated to be 11 million people). He failed to do so, earning him a Promise Broken on PolitiFact’s Trump-O-Meter promise tracker.

But did Trump deport fewer people than Obama? There are different deportation metrics, and Obama surpassed Trump’s numbers in each one. Immigrant rights advocates had dubbed Obama the "deporter-in-chief" by the time he left office in 2017.



https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2024/01/07/politifact-obama-deported-more-people-than-trump-did/72120774007/

[Bigun]

[bigheadfred]

No. Because it's bullcrap. History attests his deportation rates were similar to Obama.

FAFO mode

[Bigun]

Austin American Statesman!


 

[LMAO]

Austin American Statesman!


 

And this folks is a common reaction to when people can’t dispute the facts, they attack the source

Those stats  are verified all around but if you have something that counters that feel free to post it


And here’s just a few others that verify that statistic

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/06/12/deportations-of-undocumented-immigrants-are-at-a-record-low


https://www.cato.org/blog/deportation-rates-historical-perspective

[Bigun]

And this folks is a common reaction to when people can’t dispute the facts, they attack the source

Those stats  are verified all around but if you have something that counters that feel free to post it

Figures don't lie but liars sure can figure!

PS Thankfully, I can't see your article

[LMAO]

Figures don't lie but liars sure can figure!

Again, if you have something that counters the claim that Barack Obama deported more people in his first four years than Donald Trump did, despite Donald Trump, promising record deportations, post them

Otherwise, admit defeat and move on

[LMAO]

PS Thankfully, I can't see your article[/size]

Wait a minute

You laughed at an article that claimed Barack Obama deported more people than Donald Trump, yet you admit you didn’t read it….. typical


Whether you accepted or not is irrelevant, but the fact is Barack Obama did deport more people than Donald Trump. Not that big of a deal except Donald Trump made the promise of mass deportation in 2016 and he’s promising it again.

[Bigun]

Wait a minute

You laughed at an article that claimed Barack Obama deported more people than Donald Trump, yet you admit you didn’t read it….. typical

Down here we call that rag Pravda on the Colorado. No need to read it to know what's in it (100% Communist propaganda). Just on general principle I tend to believe the opposite of ANYTHING said therein.

The same goes for most corporate owned ad papers these days.

[LMAO]

Down here we call that rag Pravda on the Colorado. No need to read it to know what's in it. Just on general principle I tend to believe the opposite of ANYTHING said therein.

 

I have a hunch you’ve never heard of that publication until now, but that’s an argument for a different day. I’m not arguing about whether or not you like a particular publication. The fact is Donald Trump deported less people than Barack Obama did during the four-year time. That’s  verified by multiple sources. Again, show me where that claim is wrong

You don’t have anything to counter the claim? Fair enough.

[Bigun]

I have a hunch you’ve never heard of that publication until now, but that’s an argument for a different day. I’m not arguing about whether or not you like a particular publication. The fact is Donald Trump deported less people than Barack Obama did during the four-year time. That’s  verified by multiple sources. Again, show me where that claim is wrong

You don’t have anything to counter the claim? Fair enough.

Leftists have to rewrite not only history, but economics and reality in general

All three are in violation of their worldview

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,528605.msg2997101.html#msg2997101

Yet here you are citing the most leftist rag I know of because it comports with what you already believe.

[LMAO]

Here’s another. Some will just attack the source and dismiss it but I’m posting this for others to peruse.

President   Removals   Removals Per Year   Political Party   Years in Office
Benjamin Harrison   2,801   2,801   Republican   1
Grover Cleveland   9,069   2,267   Democrat   4
William McKinley   17,642   3,528   Republican   5
Theodore Roosevelt   76,390   10,913   Republican   7
William H. Taft   83,150   20,788   Republican   4
Woodrow Wilson   162,371   20,296   Democrat   8
Warren G. Harding   60,652   20,217   Republican   3
Calvin Coolidge   164,913   32,983   Republican   5
Herbert Hoover   110,275   27,569   Republican   4
Franklin D. Roosevelt   171,939   13,226   Democrat   13
Harry S. Truman   140,553   20,079   Democrat   7
Dwight D. Eisenhower   110,019   13,752   Republican   8
John F. Kennedy   23,969   7,990   Democrat   3
Lyndon B. Johnson   48,737   9,747   Democrat   5
Richard M. Nixon   81,022   16,204   Republican   5
Gerald R. Ford   82,316   27,439   Republican   3
Jimmy Carter   105,378   26,345   Democrat   4
Ronald Reagan   168,364   21,046   Republican   8
George Bush   141,326   35,332   Republican   4
Bill Clinton   869,646   108,706   Democrat   8
George W. Bush   2,012,539   251,567   Republican   8
Barack Obama   3,066,457   383,307   Democrat   8
Donald J. Trump   551,449   275,725   Republican   2

https://www.cato.org/blog/deportation-rates-historical-perspective

How long until the Cato Institute is dismissed as a leftist organization

[LMAO]

Yet here you are citing the most leftist rag I know of because it comports with what you already believe.

Ok last time. Post something that counters the claim, and I’ll happily read it.

And the link was the first one I came to, although I have check the veracity of the claim made with other sources, and I posted other links for your reading pleasure


Several posts made by you attacking a source, but nothing to counter it. You see this with many of Trump supporters. Record and reality will not get in the way of the idealized view they have.

Why do you think Barack Obama got the nickname of “deporter in chief” from even many of those who supported him otherwise?


Simply dismissing a source of information that you don’t like, but unable to counter it, is one of the weakest ways to argue a point. Liberals do this a lot when it comes to Fox News.

Only accepting information that comports with one’s worldview is one of the biggest problems IMO facing this country when it comes to accepting and receiving information

[berdie]

https://twitter.com/Synchro2021/status/1775259755571036541

I support it wholeheartedly. But it ain't gonna happen. The first picture the media shows of a crying illegal child, it's all over.

[Bigun]

Never-Trumpers fan out to bolster Biden’s ‘blue wall’

[Bigun]

Ok last time. Post something that counters the claim, and I’ll happily read it.

And the link was the first one I came to, although I have check the veracity of the claim made with other sources, and I posted other links for your reading pleasure


Several posts made by you attacking a source, but nothing to counter it. You see this with many of Trump supporters. Record and reality will not get in the way of the idealized view they have.

Why do you think Barack Obama got the nickname of “deporter in chief” from even many of those who supported him otherwise?


Simply dismissing a source of information that you don’t like, but unable to counter it, is one of the weakest ways to argue a point. Liberals do this a lot when it comes to Fox News.

I've said many times that republicans want the illegals here every bit as much as democrats do. Their COC masters demand it!

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Actually, Obama did better than Trump in his first four years despite Trump making the same promise of deportations in 2016 as he’s making now

As a presidential candidate in 2016, Trump promised to deport every immigrant living in the U.S. illegally (then estimated to be 11 million people). He failed to do so, earning him a Promise Broken on PolitiFact’s Trump-O-Meter promise tracker.

But did Trump deport fewer people than Obama? There are different deportation metrics, and Obama surpassed Trump’s numbers in each one. Immigrant rights advocates had dubbed Obama the "deporter-in-chief" by the time he left office in 2017.



https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2024/01/07/politifact-obama-deported-more-people-than-trump-did/72120774007/

Depends on how you count them.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/politics/obama-trump-deportations-illegal-immigration/index.html

[libertybele]

I've said many times that republicans want the illegals here every bit as much as democrats do. Their COC masters demand it!

Absofrigginlutely!!  They are making $$ off of them as well.