A GOP Landslide in November

[roamer_1]

Reagan's coalition has been dead since '88.  Why do you think it has any relevance today?

Then y'all hold no interest for me.
My reason for political activism is the Conservative Coalition.
That's what we agreed to in supporting Republicans, and that is all I will honor.
Go where you will. But I won't go with you.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No... that YOU can't define... or redefine, though you've tried.

The rest of us have no such problem.

Great.  Then you should have no problem defining the full conservative position.  How would a "true conservative"  handle these issues (specifics would be helpful) ----

1. American sovereignty vs. illegal immigration,
2. The erasure of American individual freedoms by overbearing Federal, state and local governments,
3. Encroaching globalism and its suffocation of personal self-determination and market independence,
4. Equity vs. equality,
5. Military spending, training and qualifications,
6. Energy independence,
7. The preservation of the American legacy and inheritance, including in the government, education curriculum and the courts.

[Bigun]

I don't view a non-vote for Trump and voting down ballot as advancing Biden.

I find that illogical since one of them is going to be elected president and a non vote for Trump makes it easier fo Biden to win.

I have struggled with my decision but voting down ballot is the only way for me to vote my conscience.

I suggest that you struggle some more.

[roamer_1]

Great.  Then you should have no problem defining the full conservative position.  How would a "true conservative"  handle these issues (specifics would be helpful) ----

1. American sovereignty vs. illegal immigration,
2. The erasure of American individual freedoms by overbearing Federal, state and local governments,
3. Encroaching globalism and its suffocation of personal self-determination and market independence,
4. Equity vs. equality,
5. Military spending, training and qualifications,
6. Energy independence,
7. The preservation of the American legacy and inheritance, including in the government, education curriculum and the courts.

I already have. to you. more than once. and all of the above is best fixed with small government and the defense of libertarian ideals.

[Bigun]

Then y'all hold no interest for me.
My reason for political activism is the Conservative Coalition.
That's what we agreed to in supporting Republicans, and that is all I will honor.
Go where you will. But I won't go with you.

My interest is in retaining what remains of my God given liberties for as long as possible while living to fight another day.

[roamer_1]

I find that illogical since one of them is going to be elected president and a non vote for Trump makes it easier fo Biden to win.

So what, if there is no appreciable difference?

[roamer_1]

My interest is in retaining what remains of my God given liberties for as long as possible while living to fight another day.

And how exactly is that achieved by weakening their defense on the Right?
Do you think the left will defend them instead?

[Right_in_Virginia]

I already have. to you. more than once. and all of the above is best fixed with small government and the defense of libertarian ideals.

Specifics, please.  The electorate demands specifics.  You're now at the point where your rubber meets the road.  Give it a shot.

How would a "true conservative"  handle these issues ---

1. American sovereignty vs. illegal immigration,
2. The erasure of American individual freedoms by overbearing Federal, state and local governments,
3. Encroaching globalism and its suffocation of personal self-determination and market independence,
4. Equity vs. equality,
5. Military spending, training and qualifications,
6. Energy independence,
7. The preservation of the American legacy and inheritance, including in the government, education curriculum and the courts.

[bigheadfred]

Then y'all hold no interest for me.
My reason for political activism is the Conservative Coalition.
That's what we agreed to in supporting Republicans, and that is all I will honor.
Go where you will. But I won't go with you.

The Conservative Coalition died in the Republican Revolution ('94) . Is that your definition now of "Conservative Coalition"?

[Bigun]

So what, if there is no appreciable difference?

The fact that YOU cannot see any differences dosen't mean there are none! I personally see several starting with the kinds of people each would nominate to fill various court vacancies.

[Bigun]

And how exactly is that achieved by weakening their defense on the Right?
Do you think the left will defend them instead?

They would be less weakened under Trump than under Biden. Very specifically!

[Bigun]

Specifics, please.  The electorate demands specifics.  You're now at the point where your rubber meets the road.  Give it a shot.

How would a "true conservative"  handle these issues ---

1. American sovereignty vs. illegal immigration,
2. The erasure of American individual freedoms by overbearing Federal, state and local governments,
3. Encroaching globalism and its suffocation of personal self-determination and market independence,
4. Equity vs. equality,
5. Military spending, training and qualifications,
6. Energy independence,
7. The preservation of the American legacy and inheritance, including in the government, education curriculum and the courts.

Those are very thought-provoking questions requiring equally well thought out answers @Right_in_Virginia but NO ONE here has the time nor inclination to discuss any of them seriously.

[catfish1957]

From my personal POV, the overwhelming bedrock of conservatism is fiscal restraint.  Biden and Trump both fail miserably there.

Until we deal with that, both candidates can KMA.

[Right_in_Virginia]

It is unfortunate that we have two liberals as nominees; one is just far more to the left of center than the other.

At the end of the day, both will be destructive to this country

Are you sure about this?   @libertybele

Ryan Fournier
@RyanAFournier

In case you didn’t know,

The Biden Administration flew about 90% of illegal immigrants detained at crossing to Florida and Texas via a secret flight program.

21,964 to Houston and 326,000 to Miami

Do you see what they’re doing?


1:05 PM · Apr 2, 2024

[Bigun]

Here is my response to question one asked by @Right_in_Virginia above:

How would a "true conservative” handle these issues?

1.   American sovereignty vs. illegal immigration.

A true conservative would:

a.   Shut down both borders and keep them so until we have a good handle as to who is here illegally and have the vast majority of them removed.

b.   Press for laws that would actually prevent them coming here in the future.

c.   Protect our land and water from foreign ownership

d.   Press for laws that ENHANCE rather than degrade our ability to produce things here at home rather than purchasing them elsewhere.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Those are very thought-provoking questions requiring equally well thought out answers @Right_in_Virginia but NO ONE here has the time nor inclination to discuss any of them seriously.

I've tried for years to get us to really discuss how to govern as Republicans/Conservatives ---- Yes, I've asked a lot of one person to answer --- but fair answers will help prove that while Trump doesn't always wear the conservative label, he has governed as one -- and will again.

My fear @Bigun is that this "no difference" mantra is helping to doom this nation.

[Bigun]

I've tried for years to get us to really discuss how to govern as Republicans/Conservatives ---- Yes, I've asked a lot of one person to answer --- but fair answers will help prove that while Trump doesn't always wear the conservative label, he has governed as one -- and will again.

No one here has tried harder to introduce discussion of issues on this forum than I have @Right_in_Virginia and had very little success.

My fear @Bigun is that this "no difference" mantra is helping to doom this nation.

No doubt about it if you ask me.

[roamer_1]

The Conservative Coalition died in the Republican Revolution ('94) . Is that your definition now of "Conservative Coalition"?

No it did not,
The 94 Congress was a revival of the same precepts defined in Goldwater and Reagan. As was the Tea Party. Nothing has changed.

[roamer_1]

Specifics, please.  The electorate demands specifics.  You're now at the point where your rubber meets the road.  Give it a shot.

How would a "true conservative"  handle these issues ---

1. American sovereignty vs. illegal immigration,
2. The erasure of American individual freedoms by overbearing Federal, state and local governments,
3. Encroaching globalism and its suffocation of personal self-determination and market independence,
4. Equity vs. equality,
5. Military spending, training and qualifications,
6. Energy independence,
7. The preservation of the American legacy and inheritance, including in the government, education curriculum and the courts.

Very well... I will answer yet again. But not till I am back on my laptop.

[LMAO]

From my personal POV, the overwhelming bedrock of conservatism is fiscal restraint.  Biden and Trump both fail miserably there.

Until we deal with that, both candidates can KMA.

 

This

We are facing  near 2 trillion dollar deficits and printing more and more money to fund the federal government. The federal government has become larger and more powerful as a result

Has this coincided with  average American's becoming more free and wealthier???

[Bigun]

No it did not,
The 94 Congress was a revival of the same precepts defined in Goldwater and Reagan. As was the Tea Party.

Yes! And all of it was promptly thrown under the bus

Nothing has changed.

 

[roamer_1]

The fact that YOU cannot see any differences dosen't mean there are none! I personally see several starting with the kinds of people each would nominate to fill various court vacancies.

There is none. on the record, there is little difference at all.

[roamer_1]

They would be less weakened under Trump than under Biden. Very specifically!

That is not true. Biden is not supposed to be governing from the Right, and makes no claim there.

[roamer_1]

Those are very thought-provoking questions requiring equally well thought out answers @Right_in_Virginia but NO ONE here has the time nor inclination to discuss any of them seriously.

I'd happily discuss all of them seriously.

[roamer_1]

From my personal POV, the overwhelming bedrock of conservatism is fiscal restraint.  Biden and Trump both fail miserably there.

Until we deal with that, both candidates can KMA.

Join that to libertarianism and I will agree.