Ford “Drastically” Cutting EV Lightning Workforce Hours

[catfish1957]

I never once mentioned climate change. . I did mention the car companies like ev's because they take a 1/3 of labor and half the parts to make. I said above the car companies can care less about the climate- though they said they do.. ev's are nothing but making maximum profit with minimal cost. Nothing more

So you didn't make such claims in prior threads?

[DB]

So you didn't make such claims in prior threads?

He claims EV's are cheaper to make... Yet they cost more... Most of the car makers are loosing their shirts on them because people won't pay what they cost to produce...

Again, logic isn't his strong suite.

[libertybele]

In the meantime, saw an electronic message board on the side of the road...smack-dab in the middle of Annapolis by Saint John's College which read:

"Save a Life...turn in your guns and ammunition!"

THIS...in Maryland!   

NO!!!!!   

[banddag]

He claims EV's are cheaper to make... Yet they cost more... Most of the car makers are loosing their shirts on them because people won't pay what they cost to produce...

Again, logic isn't his strong suite.

Tesla lost money at first but has been making record profits with ev's until lately

You do know when you see articles Ford lostcsay 100k per ev they are figuring startup cost and r&d , new factories, battery plant cost in those figures.

That is how every startup business works. Amazon lost money for years but they had an inctedible business model and innovations and people bought the stock on a hope . Truth Social has never made a profit. $4 million in revenue and $58 billion in expenses

You did know that didn't you .or maybe not

[banddag]

He claims EV's are cheaper to make... Yet they cost more... Most of the car makers are loosing their shirts on them because people won't pay what they cost to produce...

Again, logic isn't his strong suite.

 The high cost of ev's is to pay for new factories, battery plants, r&d and such. The fact is ev's have been coming down in price every year

The 70 inch flat screen that sold for $3000 twenty years ago now sells for $400 at Walmart.

New technology and innovations always cost more and then eventually come down in price

You do not know much about business do you?

[mountaineer]

 

[DB]

The high cost of ev's is to pay for new factories, battery plants, r&d and such. The fact is ev's have been coming down in price every year

The 70 inch flat screen that sold for $3000 twenty years ago now sells for $400 at Walmart.

New technology and innovations always cost more and then eventually come down in price

You do not know much about business do you?

Actually, I own a high-tech business genius.

I design and manufacture communications equipment that is sold all over the world and have done so for many years. I know something about developing products and manufacturing them.

Regarding flat screen TVs, no one had to subsidize them or mandate them by law. As the technology matured it was happily adopted by consumers without coercion. That's the right way.
 
Want to try again?

[banddag]

Actually, I own a high-tech business genius.

I design and manufacture communications equipment that is sold all over the world and have done so for many years. I know something about developing products and manufacturing them.

Regarding flat screen TVs, no one had to subsidize them or mandate them by law. As the technology matured it was happily adopted by consumers without coercion. That's the right way.
 
Want to try again?

The TV manufacturing industry was heavily subsidized by the govt mostly to help r&d and for defense projects which filtered down to civilian use. Flat screens came from the defense industry where they were used first. Look it up

The US govt paid for the movement from analog to digital tvs.  Look it up
The US computer industry is heavily subsidized.

Look it up.

[Hoodat]

I told you why. US car cos do not see hydrogen as viable versus ev's

Hydrogen cars ARE EVs.  Again, we are talking about electricity storage for EVs.  So again, why subsidize batteries when hydrogen tanks are lighter, cheaper, lower maintenance, and have longer operating range.  Please answer the question.

[Hoodat]

I expect one day you will have ev's pickups able to pull loaded trailers to n all conditions

With batteries for power?  What exactly is this expectation based on?  It sure as heck isn't based on reality.

[DB]

The TV manufacturing industry was heavily subsidized by the govt mostly to help r&d and for defense projects which filtered down

The US govt paid for the movement from analog to digital tvs.  Look it up
The US computer industry is heavily subsidized.

Look it up.

You said flat screen TVs. Flatscreen TVs are and have been made overseas without any US subsidies for a long time.

The analog to digital TV transition subsidies were to free up radio spectrum to repurposed for cell phone and other wireless communications, which government then sold at auction. That cleared the way for 4G and 5G.

The computer industry (non military) has only recently been subsidized to move high end chip fabrication out of Taiwan due to the threat of invasion by China as a national security issue.

I've been in the communications industry for 40 years. None of that time has any project I've worked on received government subsidies.

Funny how you skipped over your claim I didn't know anything about business or manufacturing... No acknowledgement of your error. Just move the goal posts somewhere else...

[Hoodat]

I did mention the car companies like ev's because they take a 1/3 of labor and half the parts to make.

Yet you still refuse to address why you support taxpayer subsidies for metal battery companies even though composite hydrogen tanks are considerably lighter, have longer range, cost less, and are better for the environment.

[roamer_1]

With batteries for power?  What exactly is this expectation based on?  It sure as heck isn't based on reality.

Yes. Batteries... And unicorn farts - That's the tricky part.

[roamer_1]

Actually, I own a high-tech business genius.

Heh Heh... Sic im @DB 

[banddag]

With batteries for power?  What exactly is this expectation based on?  It sure as heck isn't based on reality.

Pepsi is using Tesla semis 500 mile range and can poll 82,000 lbs.

Do you folks ever do any research at all?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi

[banddag]

Yes. Batteries... And unicorn farts - That's the tricky part.

Pepsi is using Tesla semis  500 mile range  and can pull 82,000 lbs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi

[DB]

I never once mentioned climate change. .

Well, you repeatedly mentioned solar panels and renewable energy upthread.

If not for climate change, why would you mention that at all? That has zip to do with the performance or cost benefits you claim EVs have.

You contradict yourself.

[banddag]

Yet you still refuse to address why you support taxpayer subsidies for metal battery companies even though composite hydrogen tanks are considerably lighter, have longer range, cost less, and are better for the environment.

I told you why 3 times at least. the car co;s do not think hydrogen cars are the future. Toyota came out with one and dropped it.

[roamer_1]

Pepsi is using Tesla semis  500 mile range  and can pull 82,000 lbs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi

So what? There's morons everywhere. Especially among fortune 500 CEOs.

[DB]

Pepsi is using Tesla semis 500 mile range and can poll 82,000 lbs.

Do you folks ever do any research at all?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Semi

You forgot the "cold" part... Didn't you?

[Hoodat]

That is how every startup business works. Amazon lost money for years but they had an inctedible business model and innovations and people bought the stock on a hope.

And unlike Chinese battery makers, Amazon did it all without US taxpayer subsidies.

So tell me which of these companies is still in business:

Amazon
Solyndra
A123
Abound Solar
Beacon Power
Ener1
Fisker Automotive
Nevada Geothermal Power
Proterra

(Hint:  It's the only one in the list that wasn't subsidized by government)

[banddag]

Well, you repeatedly mentioned solar panels and renewable energy upthread.

If not for climate change, why would you mention that at all? That has zip to do with the performance or cost benefits you claim EVs have.

You contradict yourself.

No I  said every US industry is subsidized and gave some examples and reasons why they do  it. Because again...huh other countries are heavily subsidizing their industries and if we do not  our US companies will be at huge disadvantage just as Boeng lost a 300 aircraft deal to airbus because the european countries heavily subsidized airbus.
Where did I say I believed in wind and solar?

[Hoodat]

The 70 inch flat screen that sold for $3000 twenty years ago now sells for $400 at Walmart.

Amazingly, without government subsidies.  You are defeating your own argument.  Bottom line, the government does a horrid job when it comes to choosing winners and losers.  In fact, they end up choosing losers every time.

[banddag]

And unlike Chinese battery makers, Amazon did it all without US taxpayer subsidies.

So tell me which of these companies is still in business:

Amazon
Solyndra
A123
Abound Solar
Beacon Power
Ener1
Fisker Automotive
Nevada Geothermal Power
Proterra

(Hint:  It's the only one in the list that wasn't subsidized by government)

Do you really want to go down that road.. Cherry picking a few companies that failed?  i can list thousands of US co's subsidized by the US govt that are succesful.

[banddag]

You forgot the "cold" part... Didn't you?

They are working  on that problem give it a chance.

https://www.techbriefs.com/component/content/article/48448-an-ev-battery-that-works-in-sub-zero-temperature