MAGA - What Exactly Does That Mean ?

[catfish1957]

When you want a real answer founded in Reagan - The REAL 'Make America Great Again' president, call me back.

It sure as hell ain't what y'all are buying into now.

Great to me will be when our government stops spending more than it's incoming revenues.  That isn't Biden..  That isn't Trump, and in fact it hasn't been actively discussed much since the 1980's

[corbe]

   The new MAGA represents a Populist Movement, similar to the 3 or 4 times it's been tried before in this Country to end in failure and it symbolizing people giving up and grasping for their last straws.

   If Trump's the answer, what was the question, again? 
   Which is something our resident Trumpers can't answer.

[roamer_1]

Great to me will be when our government stops spending more than it's incoming revenues.  That isn't Biden..  That isn't Trump, and in fact it hasn't been actively discussed much since the 1980's

You know this about me, but the fiscal issues really ain't my bag - They are damned important to me, but only as a bellwether... Smaller money means smaller government, which is my thrust. I want liberty, and that can't happen with an overweening government.

So color me as a fiscal conservative if you must - That's fine - But the money's just a way of keeping score.  An austere government is a small government

[HikerGuy83]

Suppose it's like pornography:  You know it when you see it.

And we're not seeing it today.

@DCPatriot

What is it that you are not seeing ?

I see a stupid federal government, but that has been the case for 24 years (at least).

But I still feel I enjoy the blessings of liberty to just about the fullest.

The media can paint something that my experience tells me is garbage.

I know we have issues.  But at least we won't have to revolt to fix them (and to those who say we will have to revolt.....I say "GARBAGE").

[HikerGuy83]

Great to me will be when our government stops spending more than it's incoming revenues.  That isn't Biden..  That isn't Trump, and in fact it hasn't been actively discussed much since the 1980's

A metric !!!!!!

Thanks for sharing.

[HikerGuy83]

That ain't Biden. Well, it is (also stolen slogan)... That springs from the lips of Davos.

It is Biden (of course he stole it....it's his M.O.).

But it is also a Sales Pitch.  It's garbage that is meant to reach out and grab his worshippers by the rings through their noses and lead them over the cliff.

[HikerGuy83]

You know this about me, but the fiscal issues really ain't my bag - They are damned important to me, but only as a bellwether... Smaller money means smaller government, which is my thrust. I want liberty, and that can't happen with an overweening government.

So color me as a fiscal conservative if you must - That's fine - But the money's just a way of keeping score.  An austere government is a small government

I think our state and local governments do more to restrict and deny liberty than the federal idiots.

My opinion. 

My HOA is a real PITA.

[HikerGuy83]

Some good discussion.

If I put a MAGA person on the spot by calling them out, you can bet I do that same thing (more often) to any lefties I deal with. 

It's a matter of specifics.

Build Back Better.

What was built that has to be rebuilt ?

What will be better about it ?

Usually, I get some garbage about social justice.  And I ask what is that ?  And they get disgusted and shut down.  They don't like being pinned down.

I am more than willing to listen to a point of view.  But don't give me a sales pitch.

[HikerGuy83]

@catfish1957 mentioned federal spending (as a function of revenue) as being a metric. 

I agree that is a starting point for a particular discussion. 

Federal metrics should be few as the federal government should be small (per Madison in Federalist 45.....).

State, County and City metrics should be increasingly important as they are what run our lives in many more nitpicky ways.

And yet, we talk so little of them.

What does the federal government now fund that it should not.

Great to me might (notice I said might as I have not fully defined it) be making an explicit list of things the federal government funds and cutting the list in half.

Just a thought.  But something that could be measured and tracked.

[HikerGuy83]

   The new MAGA represents a Populist Movement, similar to the 3 or 4 times it's been tried before in this Country to end in failure and it symbolizing people giving up and grasping for their last straws.

   If Trump's the answer, what was the question, again? 
   Which is something our resident Trumpers can't answer.

I can't argue against your point.

One of the issues I have right now is that there are no good candidates being developed beyond Trump.

If he gets elected.....he gets four years.  Then what happens in 2028 ?  He can't still be allowed to run the show (even though he'll try for a third term).

[roamer_1]

It is Biden (of course he stole it....it's his M.O.).

But it is also a Sales Pitch.  It's garbage that is meant to reach out and grab his worshippers by the rings through their noses and lead them over the cliff.

While I don't deny that aspect, no it seems to be a more concerted effort. I have read the very same phrase out of the mouths of leaders in Davos, Austrailia, Canada and variously in Europe.... It's coming out of Davos. As did the covid response. I dare say had not the red states in the US and Canada not made such a stink, the communist take-over of the west would already be complete.

[roamer_1]

I think our state and local governments do more to restrict and deny liberty than the federal idiots.

My opinion. 

My HOA is a real PITA.

As is their right - and within your reach to object.
I would not be caught dead in a HOA controlled domicile, not to mention a town.
We all have levels we'll submit to I suppose... My own line is at the county... sometimes. But it's a gray area. 

I am not without the recognition of law. And I prefer it best closest to the People. So I find far more ability to submit the closer it gets to my door. As for potentates three thousand miles away - I pay them less mind than any. State a little more, county a little more.

And I have been known to actively move to change things within my control. I don't bend over for any of em.
But local LEOs have far more jurisdiction in my business than others (further away) do.

[Lando Lincoln]

MAGA.  It has no formality, no structure, no platform that I can see. It is an appropriated but effective slogan that indeed rallies many while making others apoplectic. It is alternatively a badge of honor and a pejorative. It is political.

[catfish1957]

As is their right - and within your reach to object.
I would not be caught dead in a HOA controlled domicile, not to mention a town.
We all have levels we'll submit to I suppose... My own line is at the county... sometimes. But it's a gray area. 

I am not without the recognition of law. And I prefer it best closest to the People. So I find far more ability to submit the closer it gets to my door. As for potentates three thousand miles away - I pay them less mind than any. State a little more, county a little more.

And I have been known to actively move to change things within my control. I don't bend over for any of em.
But local LEOs have far more jurisdiction in my business than others (further away) do.

My HOA about 30 years ago, is the only time I  ever had the cops called on me. Well me and aboout 30 others.

Our gestapo HOA sent us notices/fines in a 3 year period for:

1. Leaving bags of mulch on the driveway during their inspection....Fine
2. We replaced our storm door (exact replacement) without notifying the Archetechial Commitee....Fine
3. Kid left his Big Wheel on the Sidewalk during inspection- Fine.

Then, before we left a lesser quality, non-standard Builder developed adjacent (actually and including across the street) to us.  These homes listed new for about 80% of the rest in the sub-division.  Our HOA welcomed them into the fold without input from residents, and lesseed the standards for these new residents

Half our crowd at the next HOA meeting went ape shit angry, and it got so heated the board called the cops.  When the cops arrived they chided the board for calling, since no fists were thrown.  Still, these little pencil d--'s were drunk with power, and used it foor fun.

My advise  to home buyers......  Avoid any home that is in an HOA.

[roamer_1]

My HOA about 30 years ago, is the only time I  ever had the cops called on me. Well me and aboout 30 others.

Our gestapo HOA sent us notices/fines in a 3 year period for:

1. Leaving bags of mulch on the driveway during their inspection....Fine
2. We replaced our storm door (exact replacement) without notifying the Archetechial Commitee....Fine
3. Kid left his Big Wheel on the Sidewalk during inspection- Fine.

Then, before we left a lesser quality, non-standard Builder developed adjacent (actually and including across the street) to us.  These homes listed new aboout 80% of the rest in the sub-division.  Our HOA welcomed them into the fold without input from residents, and lessening the standards for these new residents

Half our crowd at the next HOA went ape shit angry, and it got so heated the board called the cops.  When the cops arrived they chided the board for calling, since no fists were thrown.  Still, these little pencil d--'s were drunk with power.

My advise  to home buyers......  Avoid any home that is in an HOA.

None for me thanks. If it weren't for this back thing I'd be sitting on the porch of my cabin up the holler with *NO* reason for any fussy-pants Karen to be within 25 miles of it... To include county. Since it wasn't hooked to the grid (and never would be) and wasn't getting a septic system, there would not have been a permit pulled for anything.

That's where I like it... Pissin off my own porch. THAT is liberty.

[libertybele]

My HOA about 30 years ago, is the only time I  ever had the cops called on me. Well me and aboout 30 others.

Our gestapo HOA sent us notices/fines in a 3 year period for:

1. Leaving bags of mulch on the driveway during their inspection....Fine
2. We replaced our storm door (exact replacement) without notifying the Archetechial Commitee....Fine
3. Kid left his Big Wheel on the Sidewalk during inspection- Fine.

Then, before we left a lesser quality, non-standard Builder developed adjacent (actually and including across the street) to us.  These homes listed new aboout 80% of the rest in the sub-division.  Our HOA welcomed them into the fold without input from residents, and lessening the standards for these new residents

Half our crowd at the next HOA went ape shit angry, and it got so heated the board called the cops.  When the cops arrived they chided the board for calling, since no fists were thrown.  Still, these little pencil d--'s were drunk with power.

My advise  to home buyers......  Avoid any home that is in an HOA.

Good to know -- we were thinking awhile ago to sell and get into a condo.  HOA fees would be about the same that we are now paying for similar services.  Some condos that we considered their HOA fees were absolutely ridiculously high. 

Lots of homes that we were looking at in northern GA have an HOA.  It seems that more and more communities and homes have an HOA attached - just not condos or town homes.

[libertybele]

MAGA.  It has no formality, no structure, no platform that I can see. It is an appropriated but effective slogan that indeed rallies many while making others apoplectic. It is alternatively a badge of honor and a pejorative. It is political.

I believe that MAGA started as a frame of mind of patriots taking political power away from the feds and returning it to the people.

However, over time I think it has become a power trip for those who feel Trump is the great saver of America.

[Wingnut]

MAGA means LGBTQ.

Lets Get Biden To Quit.

[HikerGuy83]

My HOA about 30 years ago, is the only time I  ever had the cops called on me. Well me and aboout 30 others.

Our gestapo HOA sent us notices/fines in a 3 year period for:

1. Leaving bags of mulch on the driveway during their inspection....Fine
2. We replaced our storm door (exact replacement) without notifying the Archetechial Commitee....Fine
3. Kid left his Big Wheel on the Sidewalk during inspection- Fine.

Then, before we left a lesser quality, non-standard Builder developed adjacent (actually and including across the street) to us.  These homes listed new for about 80% of the rest in the sub-division.  Our HOA welcomed them into the fold without input from residents, and lesseed the standards for these new residents

Half our crowd at the next HOA meeting went ape shit angry, and it got so heated the board called the cops.  When the cops arrived they chided the board for calling, since no fists were thrown.  Still, these little pencil d--'s were drunk with power, and used it foor fun.

My advise  to home buyers......  Avoid any home that is in an HOA.

Very instructional and to my point....that local stuff will screw with you more than the people and things discussed on FOX or PMSNBC. 

Thanks for sharing. 

When we lived in California, a developer proposed a 3,600 home subdivision that would empty out onto a single lane (each way) road.  The EIR indicated the road should be expanded to 3 lanes as it was going to have to get to the highway that took many commuters to BART, Oakland, SF.

The city chucked the EIR and nobody sued.  They didn't have the first phase done before that road became a major traffic mess for the new and existing subdivisons.  Now, that would stress me out more than worrying about Biden and his stupid policies.   

[HikerGuy83]

I believe that MAGA started as a frame of mind of patriots taking political power away from the feds and returning it to the people.

However, over time I think it has become a power trip for those who feel Trump is the great saver of America.

I think MAGA attracted those kinds of Patriots.  I sure liked what I heard.  But it soon became apparent it was just a freaking sales pitch as those in power showed they only wanted more. 

We really need the senate.  I mean badly.

We can't afford to have Biden appoint Al Sharpton the SCOTUS.

But if we get it, I am going to be a lot less stressed if DJT loses (which I think he just might do).

If he loses and does not go away, MAGA needs to be shown the door.  We are NOT doing this again.

[HikerGuy83]

As is their right - and within your reach to object.
I would not be caught dead in a HOA controlled domicile, not to mention a town.
We all have levels we'll submit to I suppose... My own line is at the county... sometimes. But it's a gray area. 

I am not without the recognition of law. And I prefer it best closest to the People. So I find far more ability to submit the closer it gets to my door. As for potentates three thousand miles away - I pay them less mind than any. State a little more, county a little more.

And I have been known to actively move to change things within my control. I don't bend over for any of em.
But local LEOs have far more jurisdiction in my business than others (further away) do.

Lots of people don't like the HOA.

We need 170 people to make quorum.

Generally, there are 10 to 15 at the meetings.

You get what you don't vote for.

[roamer_1]

Lots of people don't like the HOA.

We need 170 people to make quorum.

Generally, there are 10 to 15 at the meetings.

You get what you don't vote for.

Move. Get out in the country.

[berdie]

I think the HOAs are the very beginning of the control.

As a former manager of high-rise and garden type condos I can confidently say that I would never buy into a situation that has control over my personal life. And then charge me to live there!!

But true to subject of this thread, I see the Government as giant HOAs. The President, Lege at the time have the power. It's all political and not tied to ability. Much like the BOD on a HOA.

So, in answer to the original question...I would say, get the Feds out of our lives. Period...end of story. I don't think MAGA will do that. It's a slogan.

[Lando Lincoln]

Move. Get out in the country.

I’m so happy to be living in the country. We have a fresh blanket of snow and if I told you all the wildlife I have seen today you’d think I was lying.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Ultimately, the "meaning" of "MAGA" is in the view of the beholder.

IMHO ....

I literally interpret "MAGA" to be death cult of personality dedicated to Donald J. Trump.

I figuratively interpret "MAGA" as an umbrella for those whom the American political system no longer represents nor serves.

Many are being left out and left behind by current structural defects in our media, economy, and government, and have chosen the label(s) of Occupy Wall Street, Tea Party, Freedom Caucus, Progressives, and/or MAGA.