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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #700 on: March 27, 2024, 03:27:20 pm »
@LMAO

One can't miss all those times when the last 20 posts are populated nearly 100% with this thread. Also, I'm constantly beckoned here when I check for new posts on the threads where I've posted. This thread is so in-your-face, it's hard to ignore.

It's good that you're enjoying the thread. My enjoyment is to jump in and poke a little fun at the circular discussion that's taking place. Surely you don't begrudge me that! :tongue2:

Not at all, dear!  Have at it!!

But it's less than 8 months until our Republic lives or dies.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #701 on: March 27, 2024, 05:44:20 pm »
@LMAO

One can't miss all those times when the last 20 posts are populated nearly 100% with this thread. Also, I'm constantly beckoned here when I check for new posts on the threads where I've posted. This thread is so in-your-face, it's hard to ignore.

It's good that you're enjoying the thread. My enjoyment is to jump in and poke a little fun at the circular discussion that's taking place. Surely you don't begrudge me that! :tongue2:

It appears the pie and waffles didn't calm things down much.  Maybe I should look for some cheese.
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #702 on: March 27, 2024, 05:49:34 pm »
No.  I want you to use the same matrix you use for Donald Trump's first four years on Ronald Reagan's eight years.

What did Reagan actually *DO* other than increase the debt, close mental health hospitals, and ship arms to Iran?

I just did. I spoke of the things Reagan DID that lasted longer than his office.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #703 on: March 27, 2024, 05:50:36 pm »
Listen to yourself.

Listen to myself, what?  :shrug:

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #704 on: March 27, 2024, 05:51:05 pm »
Well, don't forget under swampster Reagan, the federal workforce increased by about 324,000 to almost 5.3 million people.

So what?

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #705 on: March 27, 2024, 05:53:14 pm »
@LMAO

One can't miss all those times when the last 20 posts are populated nearly 100% with this thread. Also, I'm constantly beckoned here when I check for new posts on the threads where I've posted. This thread is so in-your-face, it's hard to ignore.

It's good that you're enjoying the thread. My enjoyment is to jump in and poke a little fun at the circular discussion that's taking place. Surely you don't begrudge me that! :tongue2:

Guess this is my exit then.  :seeya:
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #706 on: March 27, 2024, 05:58:35 pm »
Listen to myself, what?  :shrug:

I forgot.   :shrug:
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #707 on: March 27, 2024, 05:59:14 pm »
So what?

Claiming wanting to shrink the government and doing the opposite.
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #708 on: March 27, 2024, 06:14:11 pm »
I forgot.   :shrug:

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« Reply #709 on: March 27, 2024, 06:47:06 pm »
Claiming wanting to shrink the government and doing the opposite.

That wasn't the point.

The point was, what did Reagan do that we get to keep?

I'll take the hit in spending and iran/contra considering the vast economical engine he turned loose. It lasted twenty years. Not perfectly. You could argue it if you want to nit pick. But a twenty year swing. And that coming out of Carter's maiaise. Decades of Democrats in control of Congress.

He did the same for the military - a military that was on it's last legs with much of it's gear still from WWII and Nam. After Reagan - World Class. And that's what it took to break the Soviet's back. Iran/Contra is a pittance compared to ending the Cold War.

Y'all thing you're getting at me because he spent money. You've got to be kidding. Really/

It ain't about going into debt. We've gone into debt before. We'll do it again.
Debt is shorthand for 'debt we can handle'

We could handle the payments on Reagan's debt. And look at what it bought.
Levered out of Carter's malaise.
Decades of prosperity
World class military -massive upgrade
The end of the cold war.
Huge changes in the world by treaty that changed the face of things.

As I said before, it ain't that he went into debt, it's that the debt wasn't paid back. Reagan's expenditures WORKED. THAT's what we got to keep.

Now do Tumpy.

Still waiting for someone to give me some sense of what we get to keep From Tumpy's spending, which is so far away from Reagan's as to be several orders of magnitude in difference. Still waiting to see 'greatest conservative president since Reagan' defined.

You can't do it. It's bullshit. You got nothing in your hand. One super-good Scotus judge. abortion returned to the states. Both super good things. What else for 8 TTTTrillion bucks in debt and 20 TTTTrillion bucks in cost, and the devastation wrought to liberty?


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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #710 on: March 27, 2024, 06:58:47 pm »
I just did. I spoke of the things Reagan DID that lasted longer than his office.

You mean other than consolidate Conservatives, offering the Cristian Right a place at the Conservative table, jumping us out of nearly a decade long malaise into a vibrant economy that lasted for twenty years, winning the cold war and rebuilding a world class military to include strengthening international support from allies, the reduction in nuclear weapons and the strategic defense initiative? And that's just off the top of my head...

Sounds like Reagan  pointing-up. Was the warm-up act for Donald Trump  pointing-down

In four years, Donald Trump consolidated American patriots around freédom and the American legacy, giving them a seat at the table; rebuilt an economy bringing the American dream back to life for the working class, ushered in the highest employment rates in recorded history; secured our borders through a series of national and international iniatives and against all odds, rebuilt a depleted, outdated and demoralized military;  stacked the Federal courts with constitutionalist judges,; implemented fair global trade agreements; pushed our allies to pay their bills; saved America from the global green new deal ponzi scheme; moved our embassy to Jerusalem; paved the way for new alliances in the Middle East through the Abraham Accords; defeated ISIS; made America both respected and feared on the global stage; oversaw four years of peace ---- and this is just off the top of my head.

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« Reply #711 on: March 27, 2024, 07:10:18 pm »
First, there’s the rhetoric

Now for the reality. Here  are your average GDP numbers for the last seven presidents as an example


n his eight years in office, U.S. GDP growth averaged 1.62% under Obama, about 70% higher than Trump’s growth rate.

Here’s a look at average GDP growth rates under the last six U.S. presidents:

Jimmy Carter (D): 3.25%

Ronald Reagan (R): 3.48%

George H.W. Bush (R): 2.25%

Bill Clinton (D): 3.88%

George W. Bush (R): 2.2%

Barack Obama (D): 1.62%

Donald Trump (R): 0.95%

In his first four years in office, Trump has had by far the lowest average U.S. GDP growth rate of any of the last seven U.S. presidents.



https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gdp-growth-under-trump-compares-121008953.html


Keep in mind that Donald Trump did not come into office during any kind of financial or economic crisis


I don’t think it’s unfair to point out that Reagan did increased the federal workforce. It absolutely is a legitimate criticism. But I would love to have a presidential candidate run that would acknowledge that all president after Calvin Coolidge have helped increased our debt and what are we going to do about it going forward
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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #712 on: March 27, 2024, 07:22:56 pm »
By the way, those diminishing  GDP numbers coincide with debt to  GDP ratio going over 100%
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« Reply #713 on: March 27, 2024, 07:32:48 pm »
Forgive me for not quoting your full post but this @LMAO

 
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But I would love to have a presidential candidate run that would acknowledge that all president after Calvin Coolidge have helped increased our debt and what are we going to do about it going forward.

I take Covid spending as an outlier and really don't take Trump to task over it because I think any other recent president would have done similarly. The rise in Trump's numbers otherwise were pretty close to the Obama years.
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« Reply #714 on: March 27, 2024, 08:23:12 pm »
Sounds like Reagan  pointing-up. Was the warm-up act for Donald Trump  pointing-down

In four years, Donald Trump consolidated American patriots around freédom and the American legacy, giving them a seat at the table; rebuilt an economy bringing the American dream back to life for the working class, ushered in the highest employment rates in recorded history; secured our borders through a series of national and international iniatives and against all odds, rebuilt a depleted, outdated and demoralized military;  stacked the Federal courts with constitutionalist judges,; implemented fair global trade agreements; pushed our allies to pay their bills; saved America from the global green new deal ponzi scheme; moved our embassy to Jerusalem; paved the way for new alliances in the Middle East through the Abraham Accords; defeated ISIS; made America both respected and feared on the global stage; oversaw four years of peace ---- and this is just off the top of my head.

No he didn't. One word of that is surely wrong:

You said 'In four years'... If anything that should read 'For four years', even if I gave you every benefit of the doubt (which I don't). I said the stuff that lasted AFTER he left the whitehouse. Some of what you say is false - He did nothing to stop the 'green menace', as headlines today attest and ISIS is not defeated All the rest long over...

And it was three years, almost... Three years and an horrifically fascist lockdown, a purposeful economic crash, and thousands of businesses destroyed....  :whistle:
Y'all always seem to forget that part.

But yeah. What's still standing of all that today? Scotus. Abortion in the states... What else? Nothing. And he's going after his own abortion success with promises that will turn it federal again. So does that even count?

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #715 on: March 28, 2024, 02:40:08 pm »
First, there’s the rhetoric

Now for the reality. Here  are your average GDP numbers for the last seven presidents as an example


n his eight years in office, U.S. GDP growth averaged 1.62% under Obama, about 70% higher than Trump’s growth rate.

Here’s a look at average GDP growth rates under the last six U.S. presidents:

Jimmy Carter (D): 3.25%

Ronald Reagan (R): 3.48%

George H.W. Bush (R): 2.25%

Bill Clinton (D): 3.88%

George W. Bush (R): 2.2%

Barack Obama (D): 1.62%

Donald Trump (R): 0.95%

In his first four years in office, Trump has had by far the lowest average U.S. GDP growth rate of any of the last seven U.S. presidents.



https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gdp-growth-under-trump-compares-121008953.html


Keep in mind that Donald Trump did not come into office during any kind of financial or economic crisis


I don’t think it’s unfair to point out that Reagan did increased the federal workforce. It absolutely is a legitimate criticism. But I would love to have a presidential candidate run that would acknowledge that all president after Calvin Coolidge have helped increased our debt and what are we going to do about it going forward

Ok, there's a lot of factors involved here. Biden is frankly hurting due to inflation. People are fully aware of how much cheaper stuff was under Trump (and earlier) Presidency. Is Biden 100% responsible? Probably not, but this just shows you how detrimental an inflationary environment is to people's living standards and outlook.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #716 on: March 28, 2024, 03:23:16 pm »
But yeah. What's still standing of all that today? Scotus. Abortion in the states... What else? Nothing. And he's going after his own abortion success with promises that will turn it federal again. So does that even count?

Much of Trump's success was fleeting.  I would say Joe Biden's moribund presidency is a product of Trump's failure to be presidential, and also his failure to adapt to the rule changes like a rational adult.  Americans do not like to fire incumbent presidents - they have to screw up.

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Re: Pulse of Briefers- Election Sentiment 8 Months Out
« Reply #717 on: March 28, 2024, 05:40:53 pm »
Well, don't forget under swampster Reagan, the federal workforce increased by about 324,000 to almost 5.3 million people.

Most of that was military.  Reagan putting soldiers on the payroll to win the Cold War.
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« Reply #718 on: March 28, 2024, 05:42:45 pm »
Most of that was military.  Reagan putting soldiers on the payroll to win the Cold War.

Only 26%.  :tongue2:
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« Reply #719 on: March 28, 2024, 05:43:00 pm »
Sounds like Reagan  pointing-up. Was the warm-up act for Donald Trump

Wait, weren't you just trashing Reagan?
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« Reply #720 on: March 28, 2024, 07:14:24 pm »
Much of Trump's success was fleeting.  I would say Joe Biden's moribund presidency is a product of Trump's failure to be presidential, and also his failure to adapt to the rule changes like a rational adult.  Americans do not like to fire incumbent presidents - they have to screw up.

Here's the thing, right here.

I don't really give a crap about Tumpy one way or another. What makes me jumping-up-and-down mad is the sheer insanity of being satisfied, even ecstatic about an administration that provably cannot be defended in Conservative terms - cannot be defended at all, and in bare fact did massive, provable damage by those same terms...

And STILL folks fluff him up and bow down like he's the second coming.
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« Reply #721 on: March 28, 2024, 08:00:34 pm »
Ok, there's a lot of factors involved here. Biden is frankly hurting due to inflation. People are fully aware of how much cheaper stuff was under Trump (and earlier) Presidency. Is Biden 100% responsible? Probably not, but this just shows you how detrimental an inflationary environment is to people's living standards and outlook.

Biden’s numbers are not on this list. Biden will probably have better average GDP numbers than Trump due to the effect of the economy opening up at the start of his presidency
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« Reply #722 on: March 29, 2024, 10:47:02 am »
Biden’s numbers are not on this list. Biden will probably have better average GDP numbers than Trump due to the effect of the economy opening up at the start of his presidency

I'm not sure how GDP numbers will matter to people though. The economy is how better off do you feel versus 4 years ago. Housing costs are killing people. Not all Biden's fault but a lot of the inflationary stuff he does do adds up.

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« Reply #723 on: March 30, 2024, 06:17:28 pm »
I'm not sure how GDP numbers will matter to people though. The economy is how better off do you feel versus 4 years ago. Housing costs are killing people. Not all Biden's fault but a lot of the inflationary stuff he does do adds up.

The response was to the claim that Trump “rebuilt” an economy when the opposite is true

I remember when conservatives mocked Barack Obama for the “worst recovery since World War 2”
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