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What is a Christian Nationalist?
« on: February 25, 2024, 02:59:25 pm »
February 25, 2024
What is a Christian Nationalist?
By John Leonard

On MSNBC “award-winning investigative journalist” (from Politico) Heidi Przybyla said this recently:

    Remember when Trump ran in 2016?  A lot of the mainline evangelicals wanted nothing to do with the divorced real-estate mogul who cheated on his wife with a porn star and all of that, right?  So what happened was, he was surrounded by this more extremist element.  You’re going to hear words like Christian Nationalism, like the new apostolic reformation. These are groups that you should get very schooled on because they have a lot of power in Trump’s circle. And the one thing that unites all of them because there’s many different groups orbiting Trump but the thing that unites them as Christian nationalists — not Christians by the way, because Christian nationalist is very different — is that they believe their rights as Americans don’t come from any earthly authority. They don’t come from Congress, they don’t come from the Supreme Court, they come from God.

Horrors!  Does this mean that a Christian nationalist believes what the Declaration of Independence said — that our inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness come not from King George III, but from our Creator?  How does that separate a Christian nationalist from any other ordinary Christian?  What is she trying to say?

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Re: What is a Christian Nationalist?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2024, 03:50:55 pm »
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On MSNBC 1 “award-winning investigative journalist” (from Politico) Heidi Przybyla said this recently:

    Remember when Trump ran in 2016?  A lot 2 of the mainline evangelicals wanted nothing to do with the divorced real-estate mogul who cheated on his wife with a porn star and all of that, right?  So what happened was, he was surrounded by this more extremist element.  You’re going to hear words like Christian Nationalism, like the new apostolic reformation 3. These are groups that you should get very schooled on because they have a lot of power in Trump’s circle 4.. And the one thing that unites all of them because there’s many different groups orbiting Trump but the thing that unites them as Christian nationalists — not Christians by the way, because Christian nationalist is very different — is that they believe their rights as Americans don’t come from any earthly authority. They don’t come from Congress, they don’t come from the Supreme Court, they come from God 5..
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1 MesSNBC :silly:  *****rollingeyes*****

2 Actually, a minority that the MSM exaggerated and exploited. The majority recognized Trump's flaws but realized HilLIARy was far worse, in every way (she also did herself no favor with her "Basket of Deplorables" remark).

3 I have a friend who is involved in the New Apostolic Reformation movement, and see his posts on FB pretty frequently. In the many years we've been FB Friends I have NEVER seen anything political. Heidi Przybyla played word games to bogeymanize an odd-sounding-named religious movement. I doubt she'd know C. Peter Wagner from Alfred E. Neuman.

4. "... they have a lot of power in Trump’s circle." "Christian Nationalists" are Progs' current almost entirely imaginary bogeyman. I doubt anyone in or near Trump's inner circle are familiar with or even are aware of New Apostolic Reformation people.

5. "... the thing that unites them as Christian nationalists ... is that they believe their rights as Americans don’t come from any earthly authority. They don’t come from Congress, they don’t come from the Supreme Court, they come from God." I guess "investigative journalist" Heidi Przybyla has never read these words from the Declaration of Independence:

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... they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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Re: What is a Christian Nationalist?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2024, 03:58:37 pm »
I commented on a similar Power Line article ( https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/what-is-christian-nationalism.php ) deriding the Progs' "Christian Nationalism" bogeyman:

For personal context, I grew up in the Missouri Synod Lutheran church (LCMS). Unlike John's former church, ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America), the LCMS is theologically conservative. Luther's Small Catechism was the sort of textbook for our confirmation classes. This covers several basic Christian doctrines, among them the Ten Commandments. The commandment relevant here is - in Lutheran counting - the Eighth, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Among the things Luther explains are forbidden by this commandment is slander. In light of this, here is ELCA's definition (from https://download.elca.org/ELCA%20Resource%20Repository/Civic_Life_and_Faith_Leader_Guide_Session3.pdf?_ga=2.126660618.645901772.1708557283-187374945.1708557283 ) of "Christian Nationalism", fisked phrase by phrase, in full:

"Christian nationalism: A cultural framework that idealizes and advocates fusion of certain Christian views with American civic life."

What are these "certain Christian views"? Laws forbidding murder, rape, theft, kidnapping, perjury, and fraud? Would that these were securely entrenched in "American civic life"! Doctrines such as man's need for salvation or the Trinity? Christians are as free to advocate these doctrines as atheists are to advocate their denial of God's existence. But unlike atheists who try to drive Christians out of public life, Christians do not advocate incorporating these doctrines into Federal or state law.

"This political ideology, whether explicit or not, includes the beliefs that the U.S. Constitution was divinely inspired and enjoys godly status,..."

Is ELCA actually claiming this in any kind of seriousness? I've been in Evangelical churches of varying traditions (e.g. Lutheran, Baptist, Campbellite, charismatic) for nearly 7 decades and have never heard "the U.S. Constitution was divinely inspired" or "the U.S. Constitution ... enjoys godly status" (whatever "godly status" means)! NEVER! Humanity being what it is, I assume that if one searched long and hard enough, such a person could be found, but that search would demonstrate the basic falsity of the claim.

"... that Christianity should be a privileged religion in the U.S., ..."

Similar to the previous claim, one would have to search long and hard to find someone who believes that. On the other hand, every Evangelical church I've ever attended would say - and sometimes explicitly taught - that Jews, atheists, Muslims, Hindus, etc. have the same constitutional freedoms Christians have. I certainly have pointed out this fact many times in conservative discussion sites.

"... that the nation holds a special status in God’s eyes, ..."

Horrors! Many Christians in the US think God has blessed the US? And pray He does? Worse still, I'll bet Christians in (Name of Country) also believe and pray that God is blessing (Name of Country)! I'm so awful I think Christians of every country SHOULD pray that God would bless their countries!

"... and that good Americans must hold Christian beliefs."

While Christians do, as they are commanded by Jesus, preach and teach Christian beliefs to any who will listen, I have never heard "holding Christian beliefs" equated with being a "good American". Again, humans being humans, I'm sure that a long, hard search ...

"Proponents range from those who believe the U.S. should be declared a Christian nation ..."

Ummmmmm, isn't there a US Supreme Court decision in which such a statement was made? Historically and culturally, that has been largely true. BUT very very few (long, hard search) Christians who say that would advocate incorporating Christian doctrines such as the Trinity or Soteriology into US law.

"... (approximately 21% of the U.S. population) ..."

Is ELCA really claiming here that some 21% of the US population is therefore "Christian nationalist"?

"... to those involved in more virulent strains that are openly racist..."

Historically - and reprehensibly - there have been Christians who have been racist against people of non-European heritage. HOWEVER, by the time I was born (some 7 decades ago) the percentage of such persons was falling, and since the 1960s or 1970s it has become increasingly difficult to find racists of that ilk. Their number have probably declined into "long, hard search" numbers. It should have happened long before, but Christians now living are responsible for seeing that racism does not revive, not for the sins of their grandparents or older ancestors. "There is neither Jew nor Greek" has been in Christian Scriptures for some two thousand years.

"... anti-democratic, or gang like."

Democracy is some sort of perfect or ideal type of governance? Does ELCA really believe that? Why, then, does ELCA have episcopal governance? Logs and specks ... practice what you preach, etc.. As for Christians advocating monarchic or aristocratic or theocratic governance, never heard such a thing, but long and hard search ...

"Gang like (sic)"? Seriously? Gang-like? My eyes are rolling so hard and fast that my eye muscles are strained!

ELCA has slandered millions of people, because they disagree with ELCA's leadership. I would not say that casually, because of the Eighth Commandment, but the proof is on ELCA's own website. It is not surprising to me that ELCA has been leaking people and congregations pretty much steadily since the 1988 merger.
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Re: What is a Christian Nationalist?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2024, 04:03:08 pm »
Christian nationalist leftist definition: anybody who isn't all aboard for the progressive/far left agenda. If you don't love Big Government, you are probably a Christian nationalist.

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Re: What is a Christian Nationalist?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2024, 11:17:53 pm »
"Christian nationalist" ???

Hmmm...
Kinda like... "Crusader" ???

Sounds ok to me.
I wouldn't be offended to be called a "Christian Nationalist" -- I'd be pleased.

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Re: What is a Christian Nationalist?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2024, 05:47:15 am »
"Christian nationalist" ???

Hmmm...
Kinda like... "Crusader" ???

Sounds ok to me.
I wouldn't be offended to be called a "Christian Nationalist" -- I'd be pleased.
This cartoon should be revived, just think of the outrage on the left and from moslems :silly: :silly: :silly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3hHQvkUhJo&ab_channel=candolex

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Re: What is a Christian Nationalist?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2024, 01:05:05 am »
This cartoon should be revived, just think of the outrage on the left and from moslems :silly: :silly: :silly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3hHQvkUhJo&ab_channel=candolex
I remember Crusader Rabbit from the late fifties. I believe it was the first cartoon show created for tv. Jay Ward was the creator and who would later become famous for Rocky and His Friends, and Bullwinkle.
I wonder what Jay Ward would do today considering the present world situation? Ward was a right-winger and would have numerous targets to skewer.