Damn the Polls

[mystery-ak]

February 7, 2024
Damn the Polls
By J. Robert Smith

Last week, The National Pulse reports that Trump is leading in all seven battleground states. Pop the cork! Trump wins... Not yet, anyway.

This isn’t to suggest that Trump boosters shouldn’t be heartened by polling data and trends favorable to 45. Apart from hardcore progressive Kool-Aid drinkers, who believes that their lives are better off after three years of doddering Joe Biden? Four more years of the Enfeebled One would transform the Republic into Oakland.

Yet what did we learn from polling in 2016, 2020, and 2022?

A lot of polls missed Trump’s upset in 2016. Reliable polls looked promising for Trump in 2020. Four years ago, though, Democrats and their henchmen used the pandemic to rig presidential elections, as in plenty of ballot hijinks. Ahead of that, they busied themselves rewiring election systems – as in litigating to change laws, lying, censoring, and funneling lots of Mark Zuckerburg’s dinero into blue county elections offices. The latter juiced Democrat turnout.

Overall, it was a sophisticated effort that’s become a machine. D.C. lifer jackals, like Christopher Wray and William Barr, helped oil the gears on the inside and squelch investigations. The Machine operates outside and inside government now, and we’re smack up against it in 2024.

The Machine hummed during the midterms. That huge red wave? The Swamp was never swamped. That wave just lapped gently on the Capitol’s steps.

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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/02/2_5_2024_19_49.html

[libertybele]

Blue wave is already in for the steal.

[LMAO]

How is a stolen election defined? It seems the definition of a stolen election has been flexible since 2000.

The definition of a stolen election is one were “my” candidate loses. I guarantee whoever wins in 2024, the losing side will declare the winner illegitimate

[240B]

Democrats cheat.  Democrats have no morals, or ethics, or rules, or honor. Whatever it takes to win they will do. That includes ANYTHING.

Democrats have no fear of any government 'oversight' because Democrats own it.
Democrats have no fear of 'law' because they own it.

The next election will depend on Republicans becoming as militant and as radical as the Democrats are to prevent them from stealing the election. Short of real forceful 'physical' intervention, Democrats will cheat openly and proudly and will spit in the face of anyone monitoring them while they are doing it. They are fanatics. And they just do not care about anything other than winning at any cost.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Polls are instruments of gas lighting a losing politician's claims that the election was stolen.

If someone leads in "the polls", and then loses, the election must have been stolen.  There's no way the poll could have been complete B.S.

 

I just conducted a poll where 100% of the respondents believe the NFL Commissioner's Office stole the New England Patriots SuperBowl victory this year.  There's no way the Patriots and Bill Belichick could have a losing season.  This season must have been rigged.

[Cyber Liberty]

How is a stolen election defined? It seems the definition of a stolen election has been flexible since 2000.

The definition of a stolen election is one were “my” candidate loses. I guarantee whoever wins in 2024, the losing side will declare the winner illegitimate

Have you paid no attention to what's been going on in AZ, GA and PA?  There is your definition of cheating.

[DB]

Have you paid no attention to what's been going on in AZ, GA and PA?  There is your definition of cheating.

Yep, they focused on swing states where they didn't have to adjust things all that much to move the national election into their column.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yep, they focused on swing states where they didn't have to adjust things all that much to move the national election into their column.

IOW, the Dems cheated.  ty

[LMAO]

Here are some of the claims from 2016 on how Hillary was cheated

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html

https://www.bet.com/article/1tug7r/clinton-supporter-alleges-her-machine-switched-vote-to-trump

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/18/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-2016-election/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jimmy-carter-says-trump-wouldnt-be-president-without-help-from-russia/2019/06/28/deef1ef0-99b6-11e9-8d0a-5edd7e2025b1_story.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/461723-hillary-clinton-voter-suppression-has-led-to-crisis-in-democracy-in-the-us/amp/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html

And here’s a montage of the Fox News commentators dismissing that there was any problem in 2016, but having a different opinion when Republicans or Donald Trump lost


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XtVOnLi5EoY

And these are just a few samples to say nothing about Hillary claim that ballots and minority communities in Wisconsin were tossed out

Humans hate rejection. So when someone’s favorite candidate loses, it’s easier to say that they were cheated, or the election was stolen from them versus the candidate that they liked was rejected by the voters

And that is confirmed when we find articles and evidence that backs that claim. I’m not saying that there were some issues in the 2020 election as we’ve never had an election like that before with mass mailing ballots and liberalized ballot harvesting

But I’ll remain very agnostic that Trump was robbed. Every election since 2000, the losing side always claims some form of cheating or robbery

[libertybele]

Here are some of the claims from 2016 on how Hillary was cheated

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html

https://www.bet.com/article/1tug7r/clinton-supporter-alleges-her-machine-switched-vote-to-trump

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/18/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-2016-election/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jimmy-carter-says-trump-wouldnt-be-president-without-help-from-russia/2019/06/28/deef1ef0-99b6-11e9-8d0a-5edd7e2025b1_story.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/461723-hillary-clinton-voter-suppression-has-led-to-crisis-in-democracy-in-the-us/amp/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html

And here’s a montage of the Fox News commentators dismissing that there was any problem in 2016, but having a different opinion when Republicans or Donald Trump lost


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XtVOnLi5EoY

And these are just a few samples to say nothing about Hillary claim that ballots and minority communities in Wisconsin were tossed out

Humans hate rejection. So when someone’s favorite candidate loses, it’s easier to say that they were cheated, or the election was stolen from them versus the candidate that they liked was rejected by the voters

And that is confirmed when we find articles and evidence that backs that claim. I’m not saying that there were some issues in the 2020 election as we’ve never had an election like that before with mass mailing ballots and liberalized ballot harvesting

But I’ll remain very agnostic that Trump was robbed. Every election since 2000, the losing side always claims some form of cheating or robbery

Perhaps you missed the TBR memo from those in here that actually witnessed the steal.  I'll believe a Briefer over the MSM any day of the week.

[berdie]

Here are some of the claims from 2016 on how Hillary was cheated

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html

https://www.bet.com/article/1tug7r/clinton-supporter-alleges-her-machine-switched-vote-to-trump

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/18/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-2016-election/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jimmy-carter-says-trump-wouldnt-be-president-without-help-from-russia/2019/06/28/deef1ef0-99b6-11e9-8d0a-5edd7e2025b1_story.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/461723-hillary-clinton-voter-suppression-has-led-to-crisis-in-democracy-in-the-us/amp/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html

And here’s a montage of the Fox News commentators dismissing that there was any problem in 2016, but having a different opinion when Republicans or Donald Trump lost


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XtVOnLi5EoY

And these are just a few samples to say nothing about Hillary claim that ballots and minority communities in Wisconsin were tossed out

Humans hate rejection. So when someone’s favorite candidate loses, it’s easier to say that they were cheated, or the election was stolen from them versus the candidate that they liked was rejected by the voters

And that is confirmed when we find articles and evidence that backs that claim. I’m not saying that there were some issues in the 2020 election as we’ve never had an election like that before with mass mailing ballots and liberalized ballot harvesting

But I’ll remain very agnostic that Trump was robbed. Every election since 2000, the losing side always claims some form of cheating or robbery

That to me is the crux of the matter. It was cheating, however, I can't believe if it was that well coordinated that someone would not have come out bragging. It seems to be what folks do these days.

[LMAO]

Perhaps you missed the TBR memo from those in here that actually witnessed the steal.  I'll believe a Briefer over the MSM any day of the week.

You haven’t read any of the links have you? Read each link, then respond. Don’t just summarily dismiss things that you may not like to hear or see

Many of those articles are people who witnessed instances of Hillary being robbed like a computer changing their votes from Hillary to Trump in 2016

How are their claims of Hillary being robbed any different than those who support Donald Trump?

[LMAO]

That to me is the crux of the matter. It was cheating, however, I can't believe if it was that well coordinated that someone would not have come out bragging. It seems to be what folks do these days.

I think we need serious reform in our elections and I do believe there were things that were allowed to happen in the 2020 election that have never been allowed before

But I need more convincing that Donald Trump was truly robbed beyond someone claiming they saw something.

Trump has a history of claiming rigging or robbery when things don’t go his way


It sucks losing. I supported Ron DeSantis. But when he lost Iowa, I never cried he was robbed.


I have in-laws that believe Hillary was robbed in 2016. And they make the same arguments that Trump supporters make and that I’m just too stupid to not see the facts.

Bill Maher has claimed that not accepting the results of an election is a Republican thing. As anyone can plainly see,  that’s provably false

[Cyber Liberty]

Here are some of the claims from 2016 on how Hillary was cheated

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html

https://www.bet.com/article/1tug7r/clinton-supporter-alleges-her-machine-switched-vote-to-trump

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/18/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-2016-election/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jimmy-carter-says-trump-wouldnt-be-president-without-help-from-russia/2019/06/28/deef1ef0-99b6-11e9-8d0a-5edd7e2025b1_story.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/461723-hillary-clinton-voter-suppression-has-led-to-crisis-in-democracy-in-the-us/amp/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html

And here’s a montage of the Fox News commentators dismissing that there was any problem in 2016, but having a different opinion when Republicans or Donald Trump lost


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XtVOnLi5EoY

And these are just a few samples to say nothing about Hillary claim that ballots and minority communities in Wisconsin were tossed out

Humans hate rejection. So when someone’s favorite candidate loses, it’s easier to say that they were cheated, or the election was stolen from them versus the candidate that they liked was rejected by the voters

And that is confirmed when we find articles and evidence that backs that claim. I’m not saying that there were some issues in the 2020 election as we’ve never had an election like that before with mass mailing ballots and liberalized ballot harvesting

But I’ll remain very agnostic that Trump was robbed. Every election since 2000, the losing side always claims some form of cheating or robbery

Whataboutism does not work with me, especially when your sources are The Hill and those others.  Stop denying Biteme and the Dems cheated enough to get elected in 2020.

[LMAO]

Whataboutism does not work with me, especially when your sources are The Hill and those others.  Stop denying Biteme and the Dems cheated enough to get elected in 2020.

And your post just beautifully illustrated what I was talking about… 😊

Too many people only accept sources of information that reaffirm a viewpoint. You also didn’t read any of the links before responding to me. And I doubt you will.

The fact is Hillary and her supporters made many of the same claims that Trump and his supporters made for their loss. Are you denying the claims of robbery in  2016?

[Cyber Liberty]

And your post just beautifully illustrated what I was talking about… 😊

Too many people only accept sources of information that reaffirm a viewpoint. You also didn’t read any of the links before responding to me. And I doubt you will.

It's hardly my fault you are willing to eat trash from liars.  Buy here you are.

Oh, BTW, I read them back when the were new.

[LMAO]

It's hardly my fault you are willing to eat trash from liars.  Buy here you are.

Oh, BTW, I read them back when the were new.

Interesting post

So you’re arguing that Hillary Clinton and her supporters did not make claims of how the election was stolen from them?  I’ve seen interviews of her claiming such.




You told me I eat trash from liars when I just simply posted links to examples of Democrats not accepting the results of the 2016 election and somehow that’s upsetting you

[Fishrrman]

LMAO opounds:
"How is a stolen election defined? It seems the definition of a stolen election has been flexible since 2000."

2020 (and 2020 in AZ) offered case studies in how The Party's underground election apparatus will control the vote in the future.

Just use "a word of The Party" -- "intersectionality".
Look at the "intersection" of the lines below:


Got it???

[LMAO]

Some of you don’t seem to realize that you’re making the same arguments that Democrats made after Hillary lost

After the election loss of Hillary Clinton, I ventured over to Democrat Underground to gauge their reaction. There were “eyewitness” claims of votes being switched, fraudulent ballots, votes being thrown out, etc. etc. and they were adamant that the above were the reasons that Hillary lost along with Russian interference

Sure, there were a few that tried to interject some rationality like suggesting that Hillary may have lost simply because she was very unlikable, and she insulted white working class voters with the term deplorable. But they got the same treatment  that I’m getting from some here. 

Again, the reason why I’m more agnostic with the idea that the election may have had enough cheating to make a difference is simply because there were a lot of things that were allowed to happen in 2020 election that should not have been allowed and have never been allowed. I do not trust mass mail in ballots. I also don’t trust  Zuckerberg’s Ballot harvesting.

[Cyber Liberty]

Interesting post

So you’re arguing that Hillary Clinton and her supporters did not make claims of how the election was stolen from them?  I’ve seen interviews of her claiming such.




You told me I eat trash from liars when I just simply posted links to examples of Democrats not accepting the results of the 2016 election and somehow that’s upsetting you

I am not going to argue with you, but your sources ARE trash.  interesting you think they are wonderful and chock full 9f truth.

[LMAO]

 

I am not going to argue with you, but your sources ARE trash.  interesting you think they are wonderful and chock full 9f truth.

So Hillary Clinton/Democrats never claimed that Russians interfered in the election, or that voter suppression is why she lost? Many of these articles are their own statements. I’m still confused what you’re arguing here. Of course, Democrats did not accept Donald Trump’s win. And yes, whether you accept it or not, they made many of the same claims that were made in 2020


Are these sources trash because they possibly  undermine the narrative that Trump was robbed because Trump’s and his supporters claims were similar to the claims Democrats made in 2016? I’m suspicious that’s the reason. Many of these articles were before the 2020 election, except for the Fox News commentator montage. That’s their own words. How do you dismiss someone’s own words?

[Cyber Liberty]

So Hillary Clinton/Democrats never claimed that Russians interfered in the election, or that voter suppression is why she lost? Many of these articles are their own statements. I’m still confused what you’re arguing here. Of course, Democrats did not accept Donald Trump’s win. And yes, whether you accept it or not, they made many of the same claims that were made in 2020


Are these sources trash because they possibly  undermine the narrative that Trump was robbed because Trump’s and his supporters claims were similar to the claims Democrats made in 2016? I’m suspicious that’s the reason. Many of these articles were before the 2020 election, except for the Fox News commentator montage. That’s their own words. How do you dismiss someone’s own words?

This is actually fascinating to me. How quick some are to dismiss any information that undermines a narrative.

They are trash articles because the bias was extreme, even eight years ago.  Don't ever confuse me with Ever Trumpers.  I would not be an Admin here if I was.

[LMAO]

They are trash articles because the bias was extreme, even eight years ago.  Don't ever confuse me with Ever Trumpers.  I would not be an Admin here if I was.

I never claimed you were ever or a never Trumper

Do you realize that your responses to me and  those links would be the same that a Democrat would give if I was posted the same links on a  Democrat forum as examples of them being election deniers when Trump was elected … Lol. Or, and I’ve seen this in my personal experience, they would “explain” how the Democrats claims were right versus Trump’s

So those articles are biased against Hillary Clinton?

Why don’t you instead point out the why those articles are biased specifically instead of just claiming that they’re biased and hinting that I’m stupid.


Democrats did not accept Donald Trump’s victory in 2016. And they came up with all kinds of excuses why Hillary lost. That is factual.

What sources of information would you accept as proof that the Democrats did not accept Donald Trump’s win in 2016?

[Bigun]

So Hillary Clinton/Democrats never claimed that Russians interfered in the election, or that voter suppression is why she lost? Many of these articles are their own statements. I’m still confused what you’re arguing here. Of course, Democrats did not accept Donald Trump’s win. And yes, whether you accept it or not, they made many of the same claims that were made in 2020


Are these sources trash because they possibly  undermine the narrative that Trump was robbed because Trump’s and his supporters claims were similar to the claims Democrats made in 2016? I’m suspicious that’s the reason. Many of these articles were before the 2020 election, except for the Fox News commentator montage. That’s their own words. How do you dismiss someone’s own words?

I don't need any sources because I saw what happened in 2020 with my own two eyes in real time. GFY!

[libertybele]

You haven’t read any of the links have you? Read each link, then respond. Don’t just summarily dismiss things that you may not like to hear or see

Many of those articles are people who witnessed instances of Hillary being robbed like a computer changing their votes from Hillary to Trump in 2016

How are their claims of Hillary being robbed any different than those who support Donald Trump?

Again ... There were members of this forum that saw the 'steal' with their very own eyes.  I believe my fellow Briefers over all the crappola from the MSM.  What part of that don't you understand @LMAO ???  BTW Hillary Clinton claiming being robbed has absolutely nothing to do with what was seen by those in here.