Choose your future: Trump or Obama?

[libertybele]

It isn't really a Trump/counterTrump thread. It's really a fact vs illogic thread and they can attack me all they want.

John Adams

You don't fight with the army you wish you had, you fight with the one you do have!

What army is exactly left standing?  Very few Senators and very few Representatives are conservatives.  Leadership in both the House and Senate are destructive.  The GOP is no longer, nor am I a registered Republican.

The ONLY option that I see is to take Dr. Ron Paul's advice and build this country again from the ground up because there is nothing to build on at the Federal level.  It's too corrupt, it's gone.  So, that is why I plan on voting down ballot for as many conservatives that there are. Also important to vote for local conservatives; especially on the school board and supervisor of elections, etc.

Again, I think both Trump and Obama will be destructive to this country.  Perhaps a glimmer of hope would be Trump picking a very solid conservative as a VP and then stepping away.  Other than that, our Republic will crumble under him -- as I said, just at a slower pace than under Obama.

IF Trump picks a solid conservative; being either Noem, Cruz, DeSantis,  or Roy, perhaps even Hawley, I would seriously have to take some time and reconsider voting for him.  I also believe we're going to be faced with some other ticket other than Biden/Harris. 

However, I still stand by my initial thought; vote down ballot for as many conservatives as I can. Both Trump and Obama are destructive to this Republic.  Who knows what an unhinged Trump is going to be like.

[Bigun]

What army is exactly left standing?  Very few Senators and very few Representatives are conservatives.  Leadership in both the House and Senate are destructive.  The GOP is no longer, nor am I a registered Republican.

The ONLY option that I see is to take Dr. Ron Paul's advice and build this country again from the ground up because there is nothing to build on at the Federal level.  It's too corrupt, it's gone.  So, that is why I plan on voting down ballot for as many conservatives that there are. Also important to vote for local conservatives; especially on the school board and supervisor of elections, etc.

Again, I think both Trump and Obama will be destructive to this country.  Perhaps a glimmer of hope would be Trump picking a very solid conservative as a VP and then stepping away.  Other than that, our Republic will crumble under him -- as I said, just at a slower pace than under Obama.

IF Trump picks a solid conservative; being either Noem, Cruz, DeSantis,  or Roy, perhaps even Hawley, I would seriously have to take some time and reconsider voting for him.  I also believe we're going to be faced with some other ticket other than Biden/Harris. 

However, I still stand by my initial thought; vote down ballot for as many conservatives as I can. Both Trump and Obama are destructive to this Republic.  Who knows what an unhinged Trump is going to be like.

I have publicly stated many times that I think we are too far gone now @libertybele and that has not changed but I must try! Not doing so is just not in my DNA.

[libertybele]

I have publicly stated many times that I think we are too far gone now @libertybele and that has not changed but I must try! Not doing so is just not in my DNA.

I understand.  In reality, we don't know what the outcome is going to be with states not allowing Trump on the ballot and the felony charges against him. He's not the nominee yet.  A lot can still happen.

[DB]

If either party could get a decent replacement they'd win in a land slide...

This election has a lot of unknowns that can wildly change the outcome as time marches on.

In short, things are very weird and unpredictable. Like no election before it.

[libertybele]

If either party could get a decent replacement they'd win in a land slide...

This election has a lot of unknowns that can wildly change the outcome as time marches on.

In short, things are very weird and unpredictable. Like no election before it.

Exactly. Right now things are very unpredictable.

[berdie]

Agreed! But one of them will be despite our protestations! You say it doesn't matter and I vehemently disagree! I'll take another Trump term over another Biden/Obama term every day of the week!

I have to sadly agree. I haven't committed to a vote yet...but the Dems might force me into one.

[LMAO]

If either party could get a decent replacement they'd win in a land slide...

The situation is more precarious with the Republican party because they’re broke

[Fishrrman]

bele tolls with:
"The ONLY option that I see is to take Dr. Ron Paul's advice and build this country again from the ground up because there is nothing to build on at the Federal level."

That's exactly what I've been posting about in this forum for a few years now, but you seem unable to grasp it.

Perhaps the reason you can't -- and I reckon most other members of the forum can't, as well -- is because it's no longer realistic nor possible to "re-build" the ENTIRE country again "from the ground up".

A good part of it is now "beyond repair" -- because of the people that exist in those parts, and because of what they believe. There is no way that they can ever be "brought back into the fold".

Please take a couple of minutes and read this post I put up last December:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,520807.msg2955152.html#msg2955152

It's time to do what Levi Zendt had to do to his wagon, with his big saw.

And it's time for that new "Heartland Continental Congress", as well.

[roamer_1]

Agreed! But one of them will be despite our protestations! You say it doesn't matter and I vehemently disagree! I'll take another Trump term over another Biden/Obama term every day of the week!

Big government socialism on all sides. All sides spending money as fast as they can print it. Thousands upon thousands of businesses destroyed. Soon there won't be a game left to play.

At some point, someone is going to have to vote for sanity. But it ain't now. or yet, I guess.

[libertybele]

bele tolls with:
"The ONLY option that I see is to take Dr. Ron Paul's advice and build this country again from the ground up because there is nothing to build on at the Federal level."

That's exactly what I've been posting about in this forum for a few years now, but you seem unable to grasp it.

Perhaps the reason you can't -- and I reckon most other members of the forum can't, as well -- is because it's no longer realistic nor possible to "re-build" the ENTIRE country again "from the ground up".

A good part of it is now "beyond repair" -- because of the people that exist in those parts, and because of what they believe. There is no way that they can ever be "brought back into the fold".

Please take a couple of minutes and read this post I put up last December:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,520807.msg2955152.html#msg2955152

It's time to do what Levi Zendt had to do to his wagon, with his big saw.

And it's time for that new "Heartland Continental Congress", as well.

IF we take FL for an example (at least for now) that is a functioning conservative state -- it's already been revived.  We were a blue state for a very long time. 

Washington DC, Congress is broken. There is no fixing it.

The entire country?  No I don't expect the entire country to be rebuilt over night.

I see your point, but there are still part of this country that are viable, workable and can be built upon. 

[LMAO]

IF we take FL for an example (at least for now) that is a functioning conservative state -- it's already been revived.  We were a blue state for a very long time. 

Washington DC, Congress is broken. There is no fixing it.

The entire country?  No I don't expect the entire country to be rebuilt over night.

I see your point, but there are still part of this country that are viable, workable and can be built upon.

Right

This is gonna have to be built from the ground up in the individual states

This is like what  Texas is doing to try to protect itself from invasion, despite the federal government standing in the way

[jafo2010]

DB...
If either party could get a decent replacement they'd win in a land slide...

This election has a lot of unknowns that can wildly change the outcome as time marches on.

In short, things are very weird and unpredictable. Like no election before it.

I could not more disagree.

1st line - all fantasy!!!   REALITY indicated it is Trump and Biden or Big Mike.  I had planned to vote for someone else, but there is no one else left.  They all bailed!!!  I would not vote Haley for dogcatcher.  Like Obama, she has done nothing I am impressed with.  NOTHING!!!

2nd line - absolutely NOT true!!!  The only unknown is will the Democommies have the brass to push Biden aside?  I say no, unless it get DRAMATICALLY WORSE than present gaffs/daily.  Sadly, the idiot Dems haven't been alarmed enough to pull the fire alarm YET!!!  The man stands on stage like he has been teleported somewhere totally foreign and he is clueless what direction to head, and they still praise the fool.  Ugggh!  So, maybe a fast ball comes at the convention, or the bimbo DR Jill grows a conscience, not likely.  I say they stick with the PERFECT STOOGE and keep Biden.  Heck, he won without really campaigning last time.  I don't think he needs to campaign or be very visible to win.  And debate, he can tell Trump to go fly a kite and get away with it.

FACT is, I knew January 7th, 2021 that Trump had a 95% chance of being the candidate in 2024, and I NEVER imagined the primary elections would be over with New Hampshire.  And in regard to Biden, I thought he was not mentally fit to serve in public office from his first day as senator let alone as VP and then POTUS.  He is a pathological liar, and dumb as a box of rocks.  being frail and dead from the neck up as a senior has not improved the POS!!!

Things are incredibly predictable.  Only way I see this comedy changing is if one of these two drops dead, naturally or otherwise.  And while idiot Bill Maher thinks the Dems can pick someone at the convention and win, I say nonsense.  1968 is a case in point.  Hubert Humphrey (after Robert Kennedy was out of the picture) ran a campaign and lost.  It takes time to win the hearts of many people who are not quick to give their vote to a candidate.  I think in part that is why we have so many Independents today.  They do not like the typical candidate put forth by either party, and don't like the NOTHING POLICIES we have seen for the better part of 50 years+.  And the numbers of Independents are much higher today than in 1968!!!!

Only thing true is that this is not much like any election in my lifetime.  Usually, we were well into the primaries before it was determined who would be the candidate.  Did anyone seriously think Biden would take the Dems in 2020 before the Iowa caucus?  I don't think so.

And last but not least, the fixing of elections.  If you believe they are honest, you think the best, but I believe they are clearly and definitively fixed.  And I think those that fixed 2020 will be more blatant in 2024.  And for extreme demonstration, let's say they are ten times more extreme and blatant to pick a number.  You think the Supreme Court is going to weigh in with all the same characters with the addition of Katanji Brown Jackson and declare the election was rigged?  Hell no, not under the POS Bush appointee Roberts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Jackson probably still doesn't know what a woman is!!!!!!!!!!

[jafo2010]

And on the issue of 3rd party, no 3rd party candidate will get elected again, unless they are one of the greatest celebrities of all time. 

Lincoln won, became the 1st Republican to be POTUS. 

BUT, huge BUT, the Dems were split and had two candidates run, and there was a 4th candidate.  And, all four candidates received Electoral College votes.  This was a very unique election, not to be repeated, perhaps ever.

I say Trump could get 90% of the vote and still lose when the ones and zeroes are adjusted in the dark hours of the night following election day, just like 2020!!!!!!!