Author Topic: 2024 Alernatives for Conservatives -Constitution Party?, Libertarian Party?, Others?  (Read 2034 times)

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I don't think it can be disputed that former president Donald J. Trump has taken a significant left turn in his plank and candidacy.  Ideas like:

1.  Freedom Cities, and Baby Bonuses might add up to the $15 T in added National debt.
2.  Planned confiscation of University endoowments for an American U, is about counter to conservative thought as you can get.
3.  Let's not forget, that even inflation adjusted, DJT was our leader during the largest run up in our federal deficit in our history,

I've sticky'ed this Topic for timely discussion and reference, as there are many of us Conservatives, though might have  supported him earlier, can not in good conscious accept this left direction, that in many ways is not different than our democratic enemies.   Trump has especially in this election cycle truly turned on Conservatives, and must be held to accoount.  I know I have left off several other of Trump's misgivings, but really wanted to start thoughtful discussions around the matter. 

Just for starters, I've have added links to the first two alternatives that come to mind.  If there are others, please add accordingly...

https://constitutionparty.com

https://www.lp.org

If there are interesitng or usefull updates, i'll add, and ask that you do the same.
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I can not find anything yet from the Constitution Party, or either whether they will offer a candidate in '24.   :crying:

Below is the offering from the Libertarians this year....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_Party_presidential_primaries

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I voted for the Libertarian candidate in 2016

He was a very successful GOP governor of New Mexico at one time and I would vote for him again if he ran
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I've been active in the CP for a while now. With the exception of Cruz and our Zinke, my money has been going there.

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I voted for the Libertarian candidate in 2016

He was a very successful GOP governor of New Mexico at one time and I would vote for him again if he ran
Johnson was the least bad of a pretty lousy slate that year.

If it comes down to Trump/Biden again... I would probably not vote. I don't see any serious effort to put forth an alternative candidate who is actually conservative. There just aren't enough of us anymore, at least with any appreciable amount of money.
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I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 ... Bill Clinton won with only 43% of the popular vote.

I voted for Pat Buchanan in 1996 ... again, Bill Clinton won with only 43% of the popular vote.

Trump wants us to believe the Nomination is already his to supress votes for his opponents in the Primaries.

Right now, I'm supporting Asa Hutchinson as a dark horse candidate.  I am loathe to support any of Trump's Collaborators.

Anyone who was part of the Trump Admin or Trump campaigns is morally complicit for January 6th, 2021.
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I've been active in the CP for a while now. With the exception of Cruz and our Zinke, my money has been going there.

I've supported CP in the past, but I haven't supported them in awhile -- I haven't been very fond of the candidates that they've run.
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Johnson was the least bad of a pretty lousy slate that year.

If it comes down to Trump/Biden again... I would probably not vote. I don't see any serious effort to put forth an alternative candidate who is actually conservative. There just aren't enough of us anymore, at least with any appreciable amount of money.

I'm with you.  God forbid it's Trump v. Biden, I'll abstain from voting. At this point in time, I have serious doubts that either one will be running.
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I'm with you.  God forbid it's Trump v. Biden, I'll abstain from voting. At this point in time, I have serious doubts that either one will be running.

I do think Trump will be the GOP nominee simply because he will never withdraw, but I still don't think he'll be running against Biden.

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I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 ... Bill Clinton won with only 43% of the popular vote.

I voted for Pat Buchanan in 1996 ... again, Bill Clinton won with only 43% of the popular vote.

Trump wants us to believe the Nomination is already his to supress votes for his opponents in the Primaries.

Right now, I'm supporting Asa Hutchinson as a dark horse candidate.  I am loathe to support any of Trump's Collaborators.

Anyone who was part of the Trump Admin or Trump campaigns is morally complicit for January 6th, 2021.
...and not virtually every Democrat or DOJ employee on the Hill?

It was a setup.
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...and not virtually every Democrat or DOJ employee on the Hill?

It was a setup.

:yowsa: And there is no longer ANY doubt about it!
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...and not virtually every Democrat or DOJ employee on the Hill?

It was a setup.

:yowsa: And there is no longer ANY doubt about it!

Right. But you can only control your own side. You have no say in what the liberals do.

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I've decided that rather than not voting for President, I'd just write-in deSantis.

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I've decided that rather than not voting for President, I'd just write-in deSantis.

I'm writing in that new Argentina president

Will be voting Desantis in the primary
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Write-in candidates for President file a declaration of write-in candidacy with the Secretary of State. The declaration may not be filed earlier than Saturday, July 20, 2024, or later than 5:00 p.m. of Monday, August 19, 2024. The declaration must include the information about, and signed consent from, the candidate’s vice-presidential running mate. In addition to the declaration, a write-in candidate for President must provide signed, written statements of consent to be a presidential elector candidate from 40 presidential elector candidates (the number of presidential electors that federal law allocates to Texas). Forms are linked below and may be obtained from the Secretary of State’s office. [Tex. Elec. Code Sec. 146.025].

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Still boggles the mind what the two valid choices are.
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Out of fifty people, selected at random from a phone book, you could likely get someone who would be more suitable.
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<bump>

Still boggles the mind what the two valid choices are.

I hear the same thing from every day apolitical people
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After the 2016 election, I became a member of the Constitution Party for two years but left in disgust when it embraced Don Blankenship for Senate (in West Virginia) in 2018.  He's the CEO of Massey Coal Company and is responsible for the deaths of 29 coal miners.  He's a real sleazebag!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Blankenship

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/don-blankenship-third-party-constitution-party-600779

https://wvpublic.org/blankenship-announces-hell-seek-constitution-party-nomination-for-president-in-2020/

Furthermore, the Constitution Party, despite its stated ideals, also had NO fight in it whatsoever, and will never win anything.  It's just a debating club and nothing more.

Before joining the Constitution Party, I explored the Libertarian Party, but could not get past its free drug, open borders, and weak military/soft on terrorism planks in its platform.  It seems like the ex-hippies are still in firm control of it, so I couldn't go there.
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I like the Constitutional Party's platform.... rarely does it get candidates that match it's description though.

Both the Libertarian Party and Constitutional Party can draw some pretty flaky folks... But I have seen good candidates too. Alan Keyes was once considered a CP member... Tom Hoefling (Eternal Vigilance at TOS). Heck even Roy Moore would make a good contender.

Baring a good strong candidate, I will also employ the write-in method.
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Take back the damn GOP from Magas and Globalists.

Walking away doesn't solve anything.

Our resolve needs to be stronger than their resolve.
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It appears, at least  for members here, it’s going to be a write in for president in 2024
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Take back the damn GOP from Magas and Globalists.

Walking away doesn't solve anything.

Our resolve needs to be stronger than their resolve.

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