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How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree requ
« on: November 30, 2023, 03:14:48 pm »
How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree requirements - after Walmart, Accenture and IBM led the charge

    Some 45% of companies plan to eliminate bachelor's degree requirements
    And 55% said they'd already eliminated bachelor's degree requirements in 2023
    Walmart , IBM , Accenture and Google are among those to have led the charge

By Neirin Gray Desai Consumer Reporter For Dailymail.Com

Updated: 16:44 EST, 29 November 2023

Nearly half of US companies intend to eliminate Bachelor's degree requirements for some job positions next year, a new survey has revealed.

And 55 percent said they'd already eliminated degree requirements this year, according to an Intelligent.com survey of 800 US employers, carried out in November.

It comes after Walmart, IBM, Accenture, Bank of America and Google announced similar plans.

The survey found that the same employers that have already eliminated Bachelor's degree requirements were far more likely to continue doing so.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-12806053/companies-ax-college-bachelors-degree-requirements-walmart.html
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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2023, 03:44:00 pm »
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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2023, 04:05:47 pm »
Ancillary effects of incessant socialistic indoctrination of our youngsters, and the idiotic intent of academia to focus on idelology rather than life skills. 

No surprise on my part.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2023, 04:12:08 pm »
As Dean Wormer said... "Fat, Drunk and woke stupid is no way to go thru life."
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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2023, 04:17:27 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on November 30, 2023, 04:05:47 pm
Ancillary effects of incessant socialistic indoctrination of our youngsters, and the idiotic intent of academia to focus on idelology rather than life skills. 

No surprise on my part.

Exactly. I've been saying this would happen for a while. Why have $100K in college loan debt to learn basically nothing? For some fields like doctor, engineer etc. it's valuable, mostly it's just a place to get puke drunk.
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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2023, 04:46:52 pm »
This is exactly what needs to happen. As late as the 60's you could rise thru a corporation with a cheap 2 year comm college degree, sometimes even just a diploma and a few skills certifications, and they would basically train you on the job. Now they practically want a Masters degree for that now.

Mostly I want to see these stained glass leftocommie puke institutions collapse under their own weight, and as always the best way is to starve them of money. It's time for an economic divorce between the producers and the grifters.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2023, 04:52:21 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on November 30, 2023, 04:46:52 pm
This is exactly what needs to happen. As late as the 60's you could rise thru a corporation with a cheap 2 year comm college degree, sometimes even just a diploma and a few skills certifications, and they would basically train you on the job. Now they practically want a Masters degree for that now.

Mostly I want to see these stained glass leftocommie puke institutions collapse under their own weight, and as always the best way is to starve them of money. It's time for an economic divorce between the producers and the grifters.

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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2023, 07:51:59 pm »
Good.  In the company I retired from, you had to have a Bachelor degree to become an Engineer. So, someone with an Associate degree was permanently banned.  However,  they could get someone with a degree in Fine Arts and make them an engineer.

Credentialism deserves to die.
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2023, 07:56:09 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2023, 07:51:59 pm
Good.  In the company I retired from, you had to have a Bachelor degree to become an Engineer. So, someone with an Associate degree was permanently banned.  However,  they could get someone with a degree in Fine Arts and make them an engineer.

Credentialism deserves to die.

:amen: And the gatekeepers (personnel departments) need to be kept on a very tight leash as well!
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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2023, 08:05:05 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on November 30, 2023, 07:56:09 pm
:amen: And the gatekeepers (personnel departments) need to be kept on a very tight leash!

Yep, don't let them run your company.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2023, 08:56:27 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2023, 07:51:59 pm
Credentialism deserves to die.


As an insistent autodidact, what bothers me is the increase in credentialism and near absence of apprenticeship in the trades nowadays. Don't care which trade... Used to be you could get a job sweeping the floor and learn your way up the ladder... Not so much now. Trade school accreditation is now a thing.

And it's a damn shame...

I get it, kinda... cars are more complicated now... HVAC is more complicated... even framing has been infected with fiddley, touchy products... you have to know what you're doing... And because of the cost of mistakes, owners are less inclined to risk an apprentice.

But I am still of a mind that an apprentice learning from a master is still the very best sort of learning there is.
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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2023, 09:14:44 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on November 30, 2023, 08:56:27 pm
As an insistent autodidact, what bothers me is the increase in credentialism and near absence of apprenticeship in the trades nowadays. Don't care which trade... Used to be you could get a job sweeping the floor and learn your way up the ladder... Not so much now. Trade school accreditation is now a thing.

And it's a damn shame...

I get it, kinda... cars are more complicated now... HVAC is more complicated... even framing has been infected with fiddley, touchy products... you have to know what you're doing... And because of the cost of mistakes, owners are less inclined to risk an apprentice.

But I am still of a mind that an apprentice learning from a master is still the very best sort of learning there is.
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2023, 09:43:49 pm »
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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2023, 09:52:58 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on November 30, 2023, 08:56:27 pm
As an insistent autodidact, what bothers me is the increase in credentialism and near absence of apprenticeship in the trades nowadays. Don't care which trade... Used to be you could get a job sweeping the floor and learn your way up the ladder... Not so much now. Trade school accreditation is now a thing.

And it's a damn shame...

I get it, kinda... cars are more complicated now... HVAC is more complicated... even framing has been infected with fiddley, touchy products... you have to know what you're doing... And because of the cost of mistakes, owners are less inclined to risk an apprentice.

But I am still of a mind that an apprentice learning from a master is still the very best sort of learning there is.



I totally agree. Sometimes what is learned in the book some how doesn't equate to what is "on the ground".
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2023, 09:54:01 pm »
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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2023, 10:18:07 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on November 30, 2023, 08:56:27 pm
As an insistent autodidact, what bothers me is the increase in credentialism and near absence of apprenticeship in the trades nowadays. Don't care which trade... Used to be you could get a job sweeping the floor and learn your way up the ladder... Not so much now. Trade school accreditation is now a thing.

And it's a damn shame...

I get it, kinda... cars are more complicated now... HVAC is more complicated... even framing has been infected with fiddley, touchy products... you have to know what you're doing... And because of the cost of mistakes, owners are less inclined to risk an apprentice.

But I am still of a mind that an apprentice learning from a master is still the very best sort of learning there is.

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Re: How the college degree lost its value: Nearly half of US companies plan to ax Bachelor's degree
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2023, 10:21:00 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on November 30, 2023, 08:56:27 pm
As an insistent autodidact, what bothers me is the increase in credentialism and near absence of apprenticeship in the trades nowadays. Don't care which trade... Used to be you could get a job sweeping the floor and learn your way up the ladder... Not so much now. Trade school accreditation is now a thing.

And it's a damn shame...

I get it, kinda... cars are more complicated now... HVAC is more complicated... even framing has been infected with fiddley, touchy products... you have to know what you're doing... And because of the cost of mistakes, owners are less inclined to risk an apprentice.

But I am still of a mind that an apprentice learning from a master is still the very best sort of learning there is.

Yeah but how often are companies actually paying attention to credentials? I don't think it's very often.
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2023, 10:57:01 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 30, 2023, 10:21:00 pm
Yeah but how often are companies actually paying attention to credentials? I don't think it's very often.

Once you get past the gatekeepers, yes!
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2023, 10:58:50 pm »
Quote from: berdie on November 30, 2023, 09:52:58 pm


I totally agree. Sometimes what is learned in the book some how doesn't equate to what is "on the ground".

Sometimes??? Try most times. At least that has been my experience.

Many years ago I worked alongside a PHD Chemical engineer (Paul Franks) for a few years. If it was in a book Paul knew it but otherwise couldn't find his @$$ with both hands. By the time I moved on, we BOTH had a REAL education.

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2023, 11:44:22 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 30, 2023, 10:21:00 pm
Yeah but how often are companies actually paying attention to credentials? I don't think it's very often.

My boy is like me... He is very handy... smalls, small engine, hydraulics, automotive, big diesel... About anything, he can fix it... Couldn't get hired as a mechanic in town *at all* without an ACE (or similar) cert.

So he went IT. But  he still side-hustles mechanical out of his house.

The funny part is that IT is seriously more complicated... and you would think it should be harder to break into without paper on the wall, but they were so starved for competent help, and he was so good at it that he rose from cubicle to helldesk in a month, and down to the basement in three, and running the joint shortly thereafter.., A couple jumps... and now he's IT director for a school system...

But he got froze out without an ACE cert for working on stupid cars.
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2023, 02:10:52 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on November 30, 2023, 11:44:22 pm
My boy is like me... He is very handy... smalls, small engine, hydraulics, automotive, big diesel... About anything, he can fix it... Couldn't get hired as a mechanic in town *at all* without an ACE (or similar) cert.

So he went IT. But  he still side-hustles mechanical out of his house.

The funny part is that IT is seriously more complicated... and you would think it should be harder to break into without paper on the wall, but they were so starved for competent help, and he was so good at it that he rose from cubicle to helldesk in a month, and down to the basement in three, and running the joint shortly thereafter.., A couple jumps... and now he's IT director for a school system...

But he got froze out without an ACE cert for working on stupid cars.
Back when I worked for an outfit with a fleet, we had a shadetree mechanic for our district who was fanatical about getting things right, and who put tubes in all the tubeless tires. That last saved me from what would have been a nasty rollover, saved my job and possibly my life.

Eventually he was replaced by a guy who had certification patches all over his sleeves, who worked on the district 4WD, which managed to lose a half shaft and everything out from that on the axle in 5 miles. Seems he was too busy chatting up the receptionist to tighten all the bolts...

He wasn't the last person I saw who stood on certifications but couldn't do the job right.
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2023, 02:16:43 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 01, 2023, 02:10:52 am
Back when I worked for an outfit with a fleet, we had a shadetree mechanic for our district who was fanatical about getting things right, and who put tubes in all the tubeless tires. That last saved me from what would have been a nasty rollover, saved my job and possibly my life.

Eventually he was replaced by a guy who had certification patches all over his sleeves, who worked on the district 4WD, which managed to lose a half shaft and everything out from that on the axle in 5 miles. Seems he was too busy chatting up the receptionist to tighten all the bolts...

He wasn't the last person I saw who stood on certifications but couldn't do the job right.

Used to be that the trades were merit driven like that... and paper on the wall didn't mean a damn thing...

And btw... I still run tubes, and always carry a spare one. I hate busting a tire down in the forest, but I can. and that's often the difference... Unless you like a thirty mile walk back to town....
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2023, 02:20:25 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on December 01, 2023, 02:16:43 am
Used to be that the trades were merit driven like that... and paper on the wall didn't mean a damn thing...

And btw... I still run tubes, and always carry a spare one. I hate busting a tire down in the forest, but I can. and that's often the difference... Unless you like a thirty mile walk back to town....
Yeah, I busted down a trailer tire out on the rig once. A Hi-Lift jack comes in handy.
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