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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #900 on: November 21, 2023, 04:54:32 pm »
Foreign Correspondent Trey Yingst reported a short time ago that Israeli surveillance drones “would have to stop hovering over the northern part of Gaza for at least six hours a day” as part of a possible deal.

This is a deal-breaker.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #901 on: November 21, 2023, 04:54:44 pm »
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This after how many un- responded attacks.  Guess even Pedo Joe's inner circle was getting a tad embarassed.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #902 on: November 21, 2023, 04:56:51 pm »
This is a deal-breaker.
The ceasefire demands are ridiculous. I suspect that's why Hamas is making them - so they can whine, and the media will repeat, that Israel is being mean and unreasonable.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #903 on: November 21, 2023, 04:59:12 pm »
The ceasefire demands are ridiculous. I suspect that's why Hamas is making them - so they can whine, and the media will repeat, that Israel is being mean and unreasonable.

Why should Israel don a blindfold?
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #904 on: November 21, 2023, 05:01:01 pm »
This is a deal-breaker.

You got that right.

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #905 on: November 21, 2023, 05:21:40 pm »
7 minutes ago
State Department: Israeli settler sanctions 'under consideration'
By Samuel Chamberlain

The State Department said Monday that sanctions against Israeli settlers involved in attacks against Palestinians in the West Bank are "under consideration."

"We don’t like to announce sanctions that we’re going to make before we’ve implemented them," spokesperson Matthew Miller told reporters.

Miller also declined to say whether the US would prosecute any American settlers found to have committed criminal acts.

"I don’t want to preview any steps that we might take," he said. "I will reiterate that our first priority is for the Government of Israel to take action against those extremists who are committing violence against Palestinians. But we have options at our disposal as well that we will use if appropriate."

In a Washington Post op-ed published Saturday, President Biden wrote that the US would issue visa bans against settlers found to have taken part in attacks.

Since the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on southern Israel, settlers have killed eight Palestinians, including one child, according to the United Nations. Four Israeli civilians have been killed in attacks by Palestinians.
I didn't realize any US court had ANY criminal jurisdiction in the West Bank.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #906 on: November 21, 2023, 05:33:25 pm »
I didn't realize any US court had ANY criminal jurisdiction in the West Bank.

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #907 on: November 21, 2023, 05:33:56 pm »
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19m ago
12.13 EST

Israel’s Religious Zionist Party, led by finance minister Bezalel Smotrich, has said it cannot agree to a proposed deal for the release of some of the hostages held in Gaza.

In a statement, the party described the deal as “bad for Israel’s security, bad for the hostages, and bad for the soldiers of the IDF”, the Times of Israel reported.

It said the deal will “abandon” some of the hostages for an uknown period of time, “raise the price” for their release, and give Hamas the opportunity to reorganise.

The only way to return all the hostages “is by continuing the unceasing military pressure on Hamas until total victory”, it said, adding:

"Religious Zionism will stand strong for the continuing of the war until the total destruction of Hamas, the return of all the hostages, and the elimination of the threat posed by Gaza to Israeli citizens."


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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #908 on: November 21, 2023, 05:37:37 pm »
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19m ago
12.13 EST

Israel’s Religious Zionist Party, led by finance minister Bezalel Smotrich, has said it cannot agree to a proposed deal for the release of some of the hostages held in Gaza.

In a statement, the party described the deal as “bad for Israel’s security, bad for the hostages, and bad for the soldiers of the IDF”, the Times of Israel reported.

It said the deal will “abandon” some of the hostages for an uknown period of time, “raise the price” for their release, and give Hamas the opportunity to reorganise.

The only way to return all the hostages “is by continuing the unceasing military pressure on Hamas until total victory”, it said, adding:

"Religious Zionism will stand strong for the continuing of the war until the total destruction of Hamas, the return of all the hostages, and the elimination of the threat posed by Gaza to Israeli citizens."

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #909 on: November 21, 2023, 05:40:07 pm »
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1h ago
11.15 EST

EU approves continued Palestinian development aid

The European Commission has said it will continue to provide financial aid to the Palestinians after an investigation found no evidence that the money was going to Hamas.

On 9 October, after the Hamas terror attack on Israel, the EU’s executive branch announced a review of the use of hundreds of millions of euros in development assistance meant to help the Palestinians fight poverty.

The European Commission executive vice-president, Valdis Dombrovskis, at a press briefing in Strasbourg today, said:

The review found no indications of EU money having directly, or indirectly, benefited the terrorist organisation Hamas.

The EU is the world’s biggest provider of assistance to the Palestinians. Almost €1.2bn is earmarked for 2021-2024.

In a statement, the European Commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, said the review was “necessary” and that it has “confirmed that the safeguards in place are effective”, adding:

"Work is now ongoing on the design of our future support to the Palestinians in view of the changing and still evolving situation."

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #910 on: November 21, 2023, 05:50:09 pm »
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« Reply #911 on: November 21, 2023, 05:52:08 pm »
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« Reply #912 on: November 21, 2023, 05:54:41 pm »
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Two far-right Israeli parties say they won't support proposed hostage deal
From Tamar Michaelis in Tel Aviv

Two far-right Israeli parties that are members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition government suggested Tuesday that they would not support the hostage deal being considered by the government.

The Religious Zionism Party, headed by Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, said: “The suggested deal is bad and we must not agree to it. It’s bad for Israel’s security, for the hostages and for IDF soldiers,” adding, “The only way to return all the hostages is to continue applying military pressure on Hamas until its complete surrender.”

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir’s Jewish Power party said it would “find it very difficult to support the deal,” and that “our demand is a deal that releases everyone, but on our terms.”

Both parties’ statements suggested they had not yet seen the full terms of the deal.

Neither Smotrich nor Ben Gvir is a member of the war cabinet, which is currently meeting to consider the deal.

Both are members of the security cabinet, which is due to meet at 12 p.m. ET.

More on the hostage deal: The Israeli government aims for at least 50 hostages to be released as part of the deal being mooted Tuesday – 10 per day for five days – an Israeli government source told CNN. The government would be prepared to extend the deal if Hamas is prepared to release more hostages.

During the days that the fighting is paused, Israel would stop flying surveillance drones over Gaza for at least six hours each day, one person familiar with the talks said.

Under the forthcoming agreement, Hamas would also gather up any additional women and children hostages during the period that fighting has paused – something the group has insisted that it cannot do until a sustained ceasefire is in place. The temporary ceasefire would potentially be extended beyond that for more hostages to be released.

Hamas has also demanded hundreds of trucks of aid, much of it fuel, as part of the negotiations. Fuel is key to running its military operations and ventilating the group’s network of underground tunnels in Gaza.


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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #913 on: November 21, 2023, 05:57:16 pm »
Israeli Government Approves Deal: 4-Day Pause for 50 Hostages

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JERUSALEM, Israel — The Israeli government approved a deal Tuesday night that will see the Palestinian Hamas terror group release at least 50 female, child, and elderly hostages over four days, in return for a pause in the fighting in the Gaza Strip.

In return, Israel will release a greater number of convicted Palestinians — though none who have been convicted of murder. Israel will resume the fight as soon as the hostages are delivered and the four-day period is over, as it works to destroy Hamas.

The Times of Israel reported:

    Hamas has said it has 210 of the about 240 hostages taken from Israel during the October 7 atrocities. Islamic Jihad is said to be holding the remaining hostages.

    According to the developing deal, Hamas will release at least 50 Israeli hostages, mainly women and children, in exchange for a ceasefire of four days, the release of between 150 and 300 Palestinian prisoners, and the entry of fuel and other goods into Gaza.

    Some 12-13 hostages will be released per day as the ceasefire takes effect, the source says, adding that Israel will release women and minor prisoners, with each returning to the city or town where he lived prior to imprisonment, including the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

In a briefing to reporters Tuesday, Israeli negotiation adviser Moty Cristal said that Hamas’s leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, had likely already decided to die as a martyr when he launched the October 7 attack. That did not mean, however, that he would not use negotiations to achieve other goals in the interim.

Cristal emphasized that the main motivation for Israel in the war was freeing the hostages, even if the stated, equal policy goal was ending Hamas as a military threat in the Gaza Strip.

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #914 on: November 21, 2023, 06:06:13 pm »
Why should Israel don a blindfold?

Netanyahu's political pressure to bring the hostages home is overwhelming.


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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #916 on: November 21, 2023, 06:08:54 pm »
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #917 on: November 21, 2023, 06:12:58 pm »
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As others have noted, this would be a deal breaker for me. Israeli agencies quite likely have abundant assets on the ground by now to make up for it - at least for a time. Hopefully. Maybe.
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #918 on: November 21, 2023, 06:13:50 pm »
This is a deal-breaker.

I'm sure for those six hours Israel, has orbital satellites that can eavesdrop on movements.

If I were living in Gaza right now, I sure as hell wouldn't go outside the house during those six hours...and nobody'd better be visiting me or delivering any stuff either.    happy77
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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #919 on: November 21, 2023, 06:14:01 pm »
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Nov 21, 2023, Updated at 6:56 pm

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An Israeli government source told reporters Tuesday evening that the deal is expected to see the release of 50 living Israeli citizens, mostly women and children, in groups of 12-13 people per day. In exchange Israel will release Palestinian women and minors from prison and return them to where they used to live, mostly the West Bank and East Jerusalem, pause fighting for four days and allow the entry of more fuel to the Strip.

The source said that all Israeli security agencies — the IDF, Shin Bet and Mossad — are in favor of the emerging deal. The official said that Netanyahu has insisted on certain elements being part of the deal, including the ongoing release of hostages even after the 4-5 day pause, a commitment by Hamas to identify and locate hostages being held by other terror groups in the Strip, and the refusal to release Palestinian prisoners who have been convicted of murder.

Once the cabinet approves the deal, it is expected to go into effect only 24 hours later, to allow for appeals to the High Court, with the first wave of releases expected only Thursday.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-set-to-convene-cabinets-to-vote-on-gaza-hostage-deal/

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« Reply #920 on: November 21, 2023, 06:19:16 pm »
Susan Sarandon Says Jews Are ‘Getting a Taste of What It Feels like to Be a Muslim in This Country’

Actress Susan Sarandon is catching heat for her recent comment at a pro-Palestinian rally where she addressed the recent surge in antisemitism from the left by claiming that American Jews are now “getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”

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Re: BREAKING....Thread 7...Israel At War...OPERATION SWORDS OF IRON
« Reply #921 on: November 21, 2023, 06:22:12 pm »
Netanyahu's political pressure to bring the hostages home is overwhelming.


"Bring"? Bibi didn't send them to Gaza. The "demand" should be "Return (them) home right now."
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« Reply #922 on: November 21, 2023, 06:26:58 pm »
The Times of Israel
Nov 21, 2023, Updated at 6:56 pm

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An Israeli government source told reporters Tuesday evening that the deal is expected to see the release of 50 living Israeli citizens, mostly women and children, in groups of 12-13 people per day. In exchange Israel will release Palestinian women and minors from prison and return them to where they used to live, mostly the West Bank and East Jerusalem, pause fighting for four days and allow the entry of more fuel to the Strip.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-set-to-convene-cabinets-to-vote-on-gaza-hostage-deal/

I'm confused....Israel is agreeing to a complete ceasefire for four days and fuel deliveries to Gaza??   Can this be right???

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« Reply #923 on: November 21, 2023, 06:42:59 pm »
Geez I hate that broad....ever since "Bull Durham"


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« Reply #924 on: November 21, 2023, 06:44:50 pm »
"Bring"? Bibi didn't send them to Gaza. The "demand" should be "Return (them) home right now."

The plea to bring them home is from families to Netanyahu.  They want him to do whatever it takes.  I'm inclined to give this group a pass on their semantic faux pas. @SZonian



BTW, the "bring back" mantra was supported by Sara Netanyahu after the kidnapping of three Israeli boys in the West Bank in 2014.






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