The great betrayal tearing the Democrats to shreds

[240B]

DAILYMAIL.COM
By ALAN DERSHOWITZ
4 November 2023

The coalition is at civil war.

Following the terrorist massacre of Israeli civilians and even before the military response, young woke progressives turned stridently against the Jewish State.

It was a knee-jerk reaction stimulated not by what Israel did – because it had done nothing to justify Hamas' brutality – but what Israel is: the nation state of the Jewish people.

In New York City, speakers at a rally endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America (a group to which several members of Congress belong) celebrated the attacks.

Progressive students at many American universities issued statements, held banners, and participated in marches not in favor of a two-state solution which would establish a Palestinian state alongside Israel, but against the existence of Israel itself.

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More likely, Jews will be cast into a political diaspora. But one thing is certain - the Democratic party will never be the same.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12707881/israel-gaza-democrats-alan-dershowitz.html

[Hoodat]

Democrats  have always been this way.  I can only wonder why it took a brilliant man like Dershowitz this many decades to finally recognize it.

All through WWII, FDR knew the Holocaust was happening, but didn't do a damn thing to stop it.

[240B]

Democrats  have always been this way.  I can only wonder why it took a brilliant man like Dershowitz this many decades to finally recognize it.

All through WWII, FDR knew the Holocaust was happening, but didn't do a damn thing to stop it.

@Hoodat
No world leader wanted to stop the Holocaust. Not because of antisemitism, but because the idiotic Germans were wasting so many resources, soldiers, trains, logistical support, during a time of war all for no benefit at all. Trains carrying Jews could have been carrying desperately needed weapons, food, and winter gear, to soldiers actually fighting the war. All the allied leaders loved the holocaust because it was Hitler's stupid obsession that wasted so much effort and went nowhere.

A better argument about FDR and antisemitism is that AFTER the war, Jews were still banned from immigrating to America for a while. Germans could come. Jews could not. FDR was a KKK President. Jews and Blacks were not welcome.

But your point is spot on. Since the days of the Democrat KKK, the Democrat Party has at its core always been antisemitic even though over 90% of Jews supported them. But, Jews have historically supported Communism and have eschewed Christians even as Communism was starving and imprisoning millions of Jews worldwide and many Christian groups were trying to help Jews and Israel.

This is what led to the axiom, "Jews love the people who hate them and hate the people who love them."

[DefiantMassRINO]

Dems have been using the public and college education systems to radicalize students for at least 30 years.

They've discouraged and suppressed reason, logic, debate, scientific method, and evidence-based, data-backed empirical study of issues of the day.  Instead, they appealed to fear and anger to radicalize generations of youth for Global Climate Change, and now Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.

D.E.I. is a eupehmism for modern advancement Communist Revolutionary Theory.

[Fishrrman]

240b posted (in reply to Hoodat):
"But your point is spot on. Since the days of the Democrat KKK, the Democrat Party has at its core always been antisemitic even though over 90% of Jews supported them. But, Jews have historically supported Communism and have eschewed Christians even as Communism was starving and imprisoning millions of Jews worldwide and many Christian groups were trying to help Jews and Israel."

Thanks for posting that.

It's a subject few will openly discuss -- the magnetism that marxism/communism has had for too many Jews for too long.

Witness the disproportionate amount of Jews who were communists in the federal government in the 1930's and 40's. Or members of The Party back then.

I chose the word "witness" with care. In his book entitled the same, Whittaker Chambers drew the point that the "international language of communism" in the early decades of the twentieth century was NOT "Russian" -- it was German. German marxists -- who were the avowed enemy of the nascent National Socialists -- were often Jews as well. A perfect target for the nazis as they began clawing their way to power in the early 1930's.

[Bigun]

240b posted (in reply to Hoodat):
"But your point is spot on. Since the days of the Democrat KKK, the Democrat Party has at its core always been antisemitic even though over 90% of Jews supported them. But, Jews have historically supported Communism and have eschewed Christians even as Communism was starving and imprisoning millions of Jews worldwide and many Christian groups were trying to help Jews and Israel."

Thanks for posting that.

It's a subject few will openly discuss -- the magnetism that marxism/communism has had for too many Jews for too long.

Witness the disproportionate amount of Jews who were communists in the federal government in the 1930's and 40's. Or members of The Party back then.

I chose the word "witness" with care. In his book entitled the same, Whittaker Chambers drew the point that the "international language of communism" in the early decades of the twentieth century was NOT "Russian" -- it was German. German marxists -- who were the avowed enemy of the nascent National Socialists -- were often Jews as well. A perfect target for the nazis as they began clawing their way to power in the early 1930's.

All true @Fishrrman but it goes way further back than the early 1920s. Try the 1850s and 60s. Mr. Lincoln's Army was full of Communists. Some never stopped their correspondence with Karl Marx until his death.

[sneakypete]

Democrats  have always been this way.  I can only wonder why it took a brilliant man like Dershowitz this many decades to finally recognize it.

All through WWII, FDR knew the Holocaust was happening, but didn't do a damn thing to stop it.

@Hoodat

You mean other  than  declare war on Germany?

[sneakypete]

240b posted (in reply to Hoodat):
"But your point is spot on. Since the days of the Democrat KKK, the Democrat Party has at its core always been antisemitic even though over 90% of Jews supported them. But, Jews have historically supported Communism and have eschewed Christians even as Communism was starving and imprisoning millions of Jews worldwide and many Christian groups were trying to help Jews and Israel."

Thanks for posting that.

It's a subject few will openly discuss -- the magnetism that marxism/communism has had for too many Jews for too long.

Why would it surprise anyone  when  a tribal people were  attracted  to  a  closed political system? Especially  one that "promised equality for everyone".

Of course,they  never mentioned that all slaves are always equal to other  slaves,with the exception being the "field bosses",who brutalized their own  people for personal comforts and power.

Witness the disproportionate amount of Jews who were communists in the federal government in the 1930's and 40's. Or members of The Party back then.

See the above. Tribal people tend  to  always  BE tribal people.

 

[DCPatriot]

@Hoodat

You mean other  than  declare war on Germany?

    @sneakypete

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

You mean other  than  declare war on Germany?

Only after Germany declared war on us first.

[sneakypete]

Only after Germany declared war on us first.

@Hoodat

I don't  remember it that way.

The  way I  remember it is we declared  war on Japan after the Pearl Harbor attack,and pretty much immediately declared war on their allies,the  Germans.

BTW,I wasn't even alive when WW-2 began. What I remember  is  what we were taught in history classes in school.

[Hoodat]

The  way I  remember it is we declared  war on Japan after the Pearl Harbor attack,and pretty much immediately declared war on their allies,the  Germans.

The way it actually happened is that Germany declared war on the US, and the US reciprocated.

[sneakypete]

The way it actually happened is that Germany declared war on the US, and the US reciprocated.

@Hoodat


AFTER the US declared war on Japan.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The way it actually happened is that Germany declared war on the US, and the US reciprocated.

Yup.  Some of his advisors were telling Hitler not to do it given that the Japanese had never told him what they were planning, but his ego was such that he didn't want to be seen as afraid of the U.S..  So, he backed his ally even though they started the war, which is not something that usually triggers alliance obligations.

[Free Vulcan]

All true @Fishrrman but it goes way further back than the early 1920s. Try the 1850s and 60s. Mr. Lincoln's Army was full of Communists. Some never stopped their correspondence with Karl Marx until his death.

Dang @Bigun I did not know that. That sure puts a very different perspective on American history, but doesn't shock me.

[jafo2010]

sneakypete...
I don't  remember it that way.

The  way I  remember it is we declared  war on Japan after the Pearl Harbor attack, and pretty much immediately declared war on their allies, the  Germans.

Don't let the facts bite you.  When the Japanese struck at Pearl Harbor, FDR declared war the next day, on JAPAN!  Not the Axis, on Japan.  The fact is, the majority of Americans did NOT want to be involved in another war in Europe.  It is highly likely that had Hitler not declared war on December 10th, days after Pearl Harbor, there is a good chance FDR would have been under very high pressure to focus his attention on the Pacific and JAPAN ONLY!!!  But Hitler in his foolishness made it easy for FDR, never once thinking it through, knowing that Churchill would put great weight on FDR to focus on EUROPE FIRST.  When Hitler declared war on the USA, there were a number of key military leaders in Germany realize at that moment that Hitler on December 10th lost the war for Germany.

The USA was, through Lend Lease, already supplying Britain and Russia with equipment, nine months before we entered the war in December, 1941.  Had Hitler not declared war, I do not believe FDR would have declared war on Germany and Italy, and in fact, the dollars would have shrunk for Lend Lease which would have had a very adverse impact on the war in Europe.

And as time would have progressed with the USA focused on the Pacific only, I believe the dollars for Europe via Lend Lease may well have dried up completely.  It would have been a very different war, perhaps with some very dramatic different outcomes.  I believe the war would have been prolonged, and with that, both Germany and Japan would have developed atomic weapons.

Toward the end of the war, Japan had successfully tested an atomic weapon on the Korean peninsula.  Germany would have had a similar experience.  Plus, Japan had successfully tested bio weapons in China, and their plan was to build a HUGE bomber and blanket the western half of the USA with bio weapons.  Believe me, the outcome of the war would have been dramatically different if Hitler did not declare war on the USA.  DRAMATIC!!!!

Hitler's declaration of war on the USA was the single biggest mistake of the war.

A lot of people do not understand the contribution the USA made to Russia to fight the Germans.  It included everything to wage war.  The list is long but here are some key items:

12,000                     Tanks and armored vehicles
11,400                     Aircraft
400,000                   Heavy duty Trucks and Jeeps to move men and materials
1,977                       Locomotives
35,170                     Motorcycles
11,075                     Railcars designed for different purposes
2.67  million tons      Petroleum products (gas and oil)         

1 Ford Tire plant, transported from the USA to the USSR
             
Uniforms
Cigarettes
Guns of all type
Boots
And everything else needed to support an army.
Food                        1.75 million tons

Note:  These numbers are from Wikipedia.  I have seen higher numbers noted at other sources, i.e. 25,000 tanks and
          25,000 aircraft.

[sneakypete]

Don't let the facts bite you.

@jafo2010

That was a street that ran two ways,bubba. The Japanese and the Nazi's  had an alliance that pretty much stated that either would come to the aid of the other if attacked.

 

When the Japanese struck at Pearl Harbor, FDR declared war the next day, on JAPAN!  Not the Axis, on Japan. 

Duhhhhh!

The fact is, the majority of Americans did NOT want to be involved in another war in Europe.

No argument there.

It is highly likely that had Hitler not declared war on December 10th, days after Pearl Harbor, there is a good chance FDR would have been under very high pressure to focus his attention on the Pacific and JAPAN ONLY!!!

Hitler was pretty much obligated to declare war on the  US after the US declared war on Japan. Mutual defense treaty was a part of their pact.

But Hitler in his foolishness made it easy for FDR, never once thinking it through,

Well,he WAS batshit crazy,and being the CMMFIC of a police state,there was no one  in Germany  with the authority to  reign him in.

 

The USA was, through Lend Lease, already supplying Britain and Russia with equipment, nine months before we entered the war in December, 1941.  Had Hitler not declared war, I do not believe FDR would have declared war on Germany and Italy, and in fact, the dollars would have shrunk for Lend Lease which would have had a very adverse impact on the war in Europe.

I agree,but due to the pact between Germany and Japan,he had already  promised that Germany  would come to their aid if Japan got into  a war.

People sign those things thinking they will never be called on to  perform,and the fact that they have a powerful ally means that no one WILL attack them. All it ever seems  to do is delay things  a little.

And as time would have progressed with the USA focused on the Pacific only, I believe the dollars for Europe via Lend Lease may well have dried up completely.  It would have been a very different war, perhaps with some very dramatic different outcomes.  I believe the war would have been prolonged, and with that, both Germany and Japan would have developed atomic weapons.

Could be,but there are so many "if this happened,and  that happened....." things that these situation make for great "what if novels".

SEEMS like what usually happens is all they  accomplish is that it takes longer for the wars to develop,and when they do start,they are more deadly than they would have  been. Those pacts seem to make things worse instead of safer.

Toward the end of the war, Japan had successfully tested an atomic weapon on the Korean peninsula.

This is the very first time I have ever heard that. I was thinking that  by the end of the war,they had all they could handle,just trying  to feed their own  people on the home island,while putting out all the fires.

Germany would have had a similar experience.  Plus, Japan had successfully tested bio weapons in China, and their plan was to build a HUGE bomber and blanket the western half of the USA with bio weapons.  Believe me, the outcome of the war would have been dramatically different if Hitler did not declare war on the USA.  DRAMATIC!!!!

Once again,this  is news to  me.

 

[Bigun]

Dang @Bigun I did not know that. That sure puts a very different perspective on American history, but doesn't shock me.

Yes, @Free Vulcan and there is a reason most folks don't know the real history of that period.

I would strongly suggest that you obtain a copy while you still can.



https://www.amazon.com/Red-Republicans-Lincolns-Marxists-Marxism/dp/0595690815/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1NCASSI1TX408&keywords=red+republicans+and+lincoln%27s+marxists+marxism+in+the+civil+war&qid=1699191461&sprefix=Red+Republicans%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-1

This information was once widely available but is now being rapidly scrubbed.

The link below will give you some insight about just one of Lincoln's Marxist Generals.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Weydemeyer



 

[LMAO]

The way it actually happened is that Germany declared war on the US, and the US reciprocated.

Hitler declared war on the US after we declared war on Japan as he believed, by doing such, the Japanese would take military action in the eastern part of the then USSR

If they did that, Hitler’s fortunes in Russia would have turned out differently

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Toward the end of the war, Japan had successfully tested an atomic weapon on the Korean peninsula. 

Not from anything I've ever read - Japan abandoned the idea of a nuclear weapons program early on.  What's the source for this, and exactly where on the Korean peninsula did this allegedly happen?

[Free Vulcan]

Toward the end of the war, Japan had successfully tested an atomic weapon on the Korean peninsula.  Germany would have had a similar experience. 

I have read that they were very very close to a bomb, it would not surprise me if they had achieved it. I've also seen that Germany under Hans Kammler detonated a few small bombs before he end of the war.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I have read that they were very very close to a bomb, it would not surprise me if they had achieved it. I've also seen that Germany under Hans Kammler detonated a few small bombs before he end of the war.

There's been a lot written about the Japanese nuclear efforts, and they decided pretty early on it wasn't going to be feasible.  They didn't even think it would be economically feasible for us to do it.

The other thing is that there is no way a nuclear explosion in Korea would have gone undetected by the Koreans themselves, or that word of it would not eventually have leaked, and the site of the alleged detonation subsequently examined.

There apparently was one former US counterintelligence officer who claimed that an unidentified Japanese officer had told him that Japan had managed to build a detonate a weapon.  But that's been refuted multiple times, and there is a complete lack of any physical evidence that it ever happened.

[bigheadfred]

If the Japanese had the bomb or even if they had a nuclear weapons program  it would have been announced that we had to strike first before they could hit us and would have been a primary reason we did so. But nothing like that has ever been claimed AFAIK.

[Hoodat]

Hitler declared war on the US after we declared war on Japan as he believed, by doing such, the Japanese would take military action in the eastern part of the then USSR

If they did that, Hitler’s fortunes in Russia would have turned out differently

Hitler's fortunes in Russia had already been decided.  On the very day of the attack on Pearl Harbor, Russia launched a massive counter-attack from Moscow made up entirely of troops pulled out of Siberia - troops that were guarding against a Japanese attack.  Even Stalin knew that Japan was going to attack the US several weeks in advance.  If Japan had attacked the Soviet Union instead of the US, The Wehrmacht would have entered Moscow by the end of December, 1941.

[Hoodat]

Hitler's declaration of war on the USA was the single biggest mistake of the war.

The biggest mistake was Japan attacking the US followed by Hitler's war declaration.  Had Japan attacked the Soviet Union instead, they would have won.