BREAKING...Suspect at large after 2 active shooter incidents in area of Lewiston, Maine[updated]

[the OlLine Rebel]

Just horrible.  Husband told me in the last hour.

My uncle lived there a good while till moving 20 years ago permanently north about half hour.

Lots of Somali Moslems now.  My aunt apologizes for them being a Canadian liberal.

But, I fear this may be an anti-Moslem atrocity, due to the high % and the Pali support being pushed all over the country.

So, this could be a long and bumpy ride once again for conservatives.

[Right_in_Virginia]

BNO News
@BNONews

Maine shooting suspect is Robert Card, a trained firearms instructor in the U.S. Army reserve. He was recently released from a mental health facility

10:55 PM · Oct 25, 2023

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1717374410795934053

[Right_in_Virginia]

RED BROWARD
@RedBroward

CBS BOSTON: confirm Lewiston, Maine shooting suspect is Robert Card, age 40, of Bowdoin, Maine. Certified arms instructor. Recently admitted for “hearing voices” and threatened to shoot at military base

[Right_in_Virginia]

[Smokin Joe]

Maine has Constitutional carry, folks.
They issue permits for reciprocity purposes.

It IS illegal for someone not an employee or an on-duty LEO to carry in a bar there. 
Don't know if Sparetime Recreation serves beer, some bowling alleys do in a facility adjacent to or part of the bowling area, but if so, that would likely come under the same prohibitions as any bar..
Not sure about WalMart policies.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Hogg posted and deleted in five minutes time ----

[Sighlass]

Card, who is twice divorced and a father of three children, has a history of arrests for domestic violence and other crimes. One of his ex-wives obtained a restraining order against him.

While Card identifies as an independent politically, reports suggest he may have voted for Barack Obama in the past.

https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2023/10/26/6539d51e22601d92678b457b.html

[Sighlass]

CNN is starting the spin for a possible narrative ....

And though Maine is the whitest state in the nation, according to the 2020 census, immigrant communities have grown in size recently, as well as in other states including Minnesota, Ohio, and Washington.

Between 2017 and 2021, more than 7% of Lewiston residents were foreign-born, according to the census — still lower than the national average of nearly 14%. And in those years, 19% of Lewiston residents spoke a language other than English at home.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-shootings-active-shooter-10-25-23/index.html

[Sighlass]

Note : 🚨BREAKING: Armored vehicles have just been deployed in Lewiston, Maine.

https://twitter.com/MCKushwah01/status/1717438174560137682

[Gefn]

There are new reports that he might have mental health issues.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/active-shooter-situation-in-maine-city-residents-told-to-stay-inside-with-doors-locked


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Card also recently reported mental health issues, including hearing voices, and allegedly made threats to shoot up the National Guard base in Maine, according to the bulletin which cited law enforcement.

He was also reportedly committed to a mental health facility for two weeks over the summer.

[Smokin Joe]

There are new reports that he might have mental health issues.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/active-shooter-situation-in-maine-city-residents-told-to-stay-inside-with-doors-locked


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Anyone who goes on a killing spree like this in a civilian context has mental health issues. It would be difficult to come up with a scenario where that would not be the case.

[The_Reader_David]

I know it's not a popular position on this board, but cases like this are why properly drafted red flag laws, which allow the person being flagged due process to challenge the claim that mental illness, a history of domestic violence, or the like make it appropriate to forbid his or her possession of firearms, should be on the books in each of the several states.

The abominations, rightly decried on this board, in which a mere accusation allows the police to seize a person's firearms have no place in our Constitutional order, but we have many laws that provide for people to be deprived of rights on the basis of an adversarial process in which they can defend themselves against claims against them (whether criminal or civil).  A properly drafted red flag law would simply be one more (think of it as regulating the militia by keeping people who should have place in it because they are insane or are violent toward their family out of it).

[the OlLine Rebel]

I know it's not a popular position on this board, but cases like this are why properly drafted red flag laws, which allow the person being flagged due process to challenge the claim that mental illness, a history of domestic violence, or the like make it appropriate to forbid his or her possession of firearms, should be on the books in each of the several states.

The abominations, rightly decried on this board, in which a mere accusation allows the police to seize a person's firearms have no place in our Constitutional order, but we have many laws that provide for people to be deprived of rights on the basis of an adversarial process in which they can defend themselves against claims against them (whether criminal or civil).  A properly drafted red flag law would simply be one more (think of it as regulating the militia by keeping people who should have place in it because they are insane or are violent toward their family out of it).

I’d have so many questions about it.

Starting with, by what right does the government simply confiscate firearms or anything else based on “red flag”?

Will it be compensated?

[the OlLine Rebel]

Anyone who goes on a killing spree like this in a civilian context has mental health issues. It would be difficult to come up with a scenario where that would not be the case.

Unlike most of our mass murders, this is clearly a “mental case”.

But again I will say conservatives need to stop countering the “guns!” Argument with “mental illness” reasoning.

As with most ills, this is a systemic cultural problem. Most of these killers aren’t likely “mental” but morally depraved and spoiled.  Such narcissism has become the way we raise and handle people, especially if the protected classes. (And libs should know that their celebration of groups while denigrating 1 group will likely lead to resentment and retaliation, eventually.)

[mystery-ak]

Shooting suspect may have crossed into Massachusetts: scanner
By Olivia Land

The person of interest in Wednesday night's deadly mass shooting in Maine is believed to have crossed into Massachusetts via Interstate 93, first responders on the Boston Metro Area Police and Fire scanner said Thursday morning.

Robert Card, 40, is thought to have been driving a Chevy Suburban, the scanner messages added.

[American Girl]

He’s doing exactly what the FBI wants him to do…

It’s always tough to realize that those who govern you care far more about their own safety than they do about yours

https://www.usasupreme.com/the-mainstream-media-ignored-two-details-that-torpedoes-any-gun-control-narrative-in-the-wake-of-maine-shootings/

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/ATFNewYork/status/1717506099031544152

[mystery-ak]

Mayor orders residents to ‘stay home, keep your doors locked’
By Olivia Land

Auburn Mayor Jason Levesque urged all residents to “stay home" and "keep your doors locked” as the manhunt continued Thursday for the mass shooter.

"We're telling all of our residents just to shelter in place," Levesque told the "Today" show.

“We’ve canceled all the schools in the area, so there will be no school today,” he said.

Auburn is located just across the river from Lewiston, where person of interest Robert Card is suspected of opening fire at a bowling alley and nearby bar. Police have yet to give an exact tally of the dead, with reports ranging from 16 to 22.

“Stay vigilant, report anything that seems out of the ordinary at this point,” Levesque told residents.

Shortly after 6 a.m. Thursday, Maine State Police extended the shelter-in-place advisory and school closings to Bowdoin, about 25 minutes from the scene of the shooting.

[Lando Lincoln]

Consider the death, horror and terror one person can cause. Consider the cost and resources necessary to deal with that person. Then, consider the millions who have crossed our southern border.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I’d have so many questions about it.

Starting with, by what right does the government simply confiscate firearms or anything else based on “red flag”?

Will it be compensated?

I don't think I'd have a problem with that.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Somehow we got to find a middle ground between the wrong people getting guns, and depriving people of their 2a rights. Easier said than done.

I will say though, you really cannot make recommendations until the facts of this case are known.

[mystery-ak]

18 dead 13 injured in Maine shootings..

[Right_in_Virginia]

Somehow we got to find a middle ground between the wrong people getting guns, and depriving people of their 2a rights. Easier said than done.

I will say though, you really cannot make recommendations until the facts of this case are known.

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11

My heart grieves for the victims and their families in Maine.

But before we start talking about taking everyone's guns away - especially when pro-Hamas groups are marching in our streets - let's answer some basic questions:

1) What psychological medications was this insane person on?
2) What was he saying when he was INSTITUTIONALIZED just a few months ago?
3) Who determined he was ready to be released?
4) What existing laws went unenforced to enable him to go on his killing spree?


11:11 AM · Oct 26, 2023

[mystery-ak]

Suspect Robert Card ‘truly believed he was hearing people say things’ about him at bowling alley, bar murder sites, family says
By Olivia Land and
Kaydi Pelletier   
Updated Oct. 26, 2023, 12:10 p.m. ET

Eighteen people were killed in Lewiston, Maine, when a gunman opened fire in a bowling alley and a nearby bar Wednesday night, local police officials and Gov. Janet Mills said during a news briefing Thursday morning.

Robert Card, 40, has now been named a suspect in the deadly shooting, and is still on the loose as cops have 8 murder warrants out for his arrest.

At least 13 others were injured in the carnage that began around 7 p.m. Wednesday, officials said at the press conference — though earlier reports had the injured number around 50.

Card, originally of Bowdoin, Maine, should be considered “armed and dangerous,” officials reiterated Thursday, urging anyone who thinks they’ve spotted him not to approach, and to contact police immediately.

Card is a trained firearms instructor in the Army Reserve, law enforcement sources in the state said Wednesday night. He was stationed out of a National Guard base in Saco, Maine, which he had threatened to shoot up the sources said.

Card had reported “hearing voices” recently, and was reportedly committed to a mental health facility over the summer but was released after a two-week stay.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/news/maine-mass-shooting-dozens-dead-as-gunman-opens-fire-in-multiple-locations/

[mystery-ak]

Maine gun laws: The state does not require background checks on all firearm sales
By Olivia Land

Maine’s gun laws are under scrutiny after a gunman opened fire at a bowling alley and a bar in Lewiston Wednesday night, killing at least 18 and injuring 60 more.

Maine does not require background checks for all gun purchases, “making it easy for prohibited purchasers to access guns, no questions asked,” according to Everytown for Gun Safety, the gun violence prevention organization that aims to "end gun violence" "by introducing evidence-based solutions." It keeps records of current gun laws in each U.S. state.

The Pine Tree State also does not have an Extreme Risk or “red flag” law, which allows family or police to petition the court to temporarily prevent an individual from buying a gun on the grounds that they are a risk to themselves and others, Everytown says.

Robert Card, the person of interest in the Lewiston rampage, is an Army Reservist firearms instructor who had reportedly been under psychiatric care in the months before the massacre.

Maine has not banned high-capacity magazines, and does not require domestic abusers to relinquish their firearms even if they are under a restraining order, according to Everytown.