Jordan falls short of 217 votes; minority leader Jeffries gets 212 votes to Jordan’s 200

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House speaker vote expected Tuesday as Jordan lobbies GOP holdouts
by Emily Jacobs, Congressional Reporter
October 15, 2023 04:01 PM

A notice sent out by House Majority Whip Tom Emmer's (R-MN) office told House Republicans to expect the first floor votes of the week on Tuesday, Oct. 17.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-OH) and his allies have been pushing for the Tuesday floor vote to give the GOP speaker nominee time to meet with holdouts on Monday. A separate notice sent out by House Minority Whip Katherine Clark (D-MA) on Sunday afternoon told members to expect a floor vote on the next speaker on Tuesday at 12 p.m.

The House has gone 11 days without an official speaker after Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) introduced a motion to vacate that ousted former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA). The move marked the first time a speaker was removed from their post in the middle of their tenure.

The House voted in a secret ballot on Friday to make Jordan the GOP's speaker-designee after House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-LA) dropped out of consideration for the position.

Jordan won the nomination in a 124-81 vote, a far cry from the 217 needed to secure the speaker’s gavel. Jordan upped his numbers in a second vote, 152-55.

A source familiar with the matter tells the Washington Examiner that Jordan is intent on putting members on the record after spending the weekend working to convince those opposing him to reconsider.

In the meantime, House Democrats are preparing to engage in more formal discussions with their GOP counterparts on a possible bipartisan solution.

“There are informal conversations that have been underway,” House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) told NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday. “When we get back to Washington tomorrow, it’s important to begin to formalize those discussions.”

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/house-speaker-vote-expected-tuesday-jordan-lobbies-holdouts

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“There are informal conversations that have been underway,” House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries

Yeah what is Jordan giving the Dems for their support...

[catfish1957]

Yeah what is Jordan giving the Dems for their support...

If that is the case, he's no better than McCarthy, Ryan, Boehner, etc.  Sell-out incorporated.

[Free Vulcan]

I thought being a holdout was some kind of original sin? Why aren't they getting in line and doing what they're told like a bunch of brats?

[mystery-ak]

 Turner: If GOP can’t elect Speaker then ‘deal will have to be done’ with Democrats
by Miranda Nazzaro - 10/15/23 2:27 PM ET

Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) said Sunday if House Republicans cannot elect a Speaker soon then a “deal will have to be done” with Democrats in order to get the chamber running again, as it nears two weeks since Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) historic ousting.

Asked on CBS News’s “Face the Nation” if there is a possible alternative scenario in which Republicans will need to work with Democrats to find a “mutually acceptable Speaker,” Turner responded that while he prefers a Republican solution to electing a Speaker and supports Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), a few hard-line GOP members may force a bipartisan deal.

“I think Jim Jordan will be an excellent Speaker. I think he’ll be able to get to 217. If not, we have other leaders in the House. And certainly, if there is a need if the radical, you know, almost just handful of people in the Republican side, make it unable … to be able to return to general work on the House, then I think obviously, there will be a deal [that] will have to be done,” Turner said.

McCarthy was booted from the top spot in a 216-210 vote nearly two weeks ago, making him the first Speaker to to ever be ousted. Eight Republicans joined all House Democrats in voting to take away the gavel from the California Republican.

In the chaotic set of days that followed, the Republicans vying for the Speakership have been met with internal division and opposition, making it more difficult to garner the 217 needed to take the top spot.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4257216-turner-if-gop-cant-elect-speaker-then-deal-will-have-to-be-done-with-democrats/

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Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) said Sunday if House Republicans cannot elect a Speaker soon then a “deal will have to be done” with Democrats in order to get the chamber running again

Who said that getting the chamber running again is a good thing?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Who said that getting the chamber running again is a good thing?

I think a very large majority of House Republicans believe that the House must be able to pass legislation sooner or later.

There probably are some who'd just prefer for the entire government to crash and be able to do literally nothing, but I suspect that's a small minority.

Because at some point, you'd have literally zero federal government employees.  No military, no border, no courts, nobody to process Social Security checks or Medicare benefits, no air traffic controllers...literally nothing.

So while some folks who romanticize anarchy believes that would be a good thing, they don't have the votes regardless of whether they are correct or not.

[roamer_1]

I think a very large majority of House Republicans believe that the House must be able to pass legislation sooner or later.

There probably are some who'd just prefer for the entire government to crash and be able to do literally nothing, but I suspect that's a small minority.

Because at some point, you'd have literally zero federal government employees.  No military, no border, no courts, nobody to process Social Security checks or Medicare benefits, no air traffic controllers...literally nothing.

So while some folks who romanticize anarchy believes that would be a good thing, they don't have the votes regardless of whether they are correct or not.

That's neither fair, nor true. No one here promotes anarchy.

[Hoodat]

I think a very large majority of House Republicans believe that the House must be able to pass legislation sooner or later.

Then pass it.  You don't need a Speaker to get a bill passed.  There was a CR a year or so back that passed with only two members on the floor.  Congress does whatever in the hell they want.

[mystery-ak]

Can you say Speaker Jeffries

https://twitter.com/ProudElephantUS/status/1713705984546255079

[libertybele]

Can you say Speaker Jeffries

https://twitter.com/ProudElephantUS/status/1713705984546255079

...hmmm 3 from FL, that surprises me

[Maj. Bill Martin]

That's neither fair, nor true. No one here promotes anarchy.

Well, what would you call it if the federal government went completely unfunded for an extended period, and literally nobody who received a federal paycheck had a job anymore? No military, nobody to process social security or Medicare, no border security, nobody to enforce any federal laws at all...it literally all just stopped.  No air traffic...none of it.  For months/years.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Then pass it.  You don't need a Speaker to get a bill passed. There was a CR a year or so back that passed with only two members on the floor.  Congress does whatever in the hell they want.

Apparently you do, under the Rules.  Committees can keep operating, and what you saw had to have someone in the Chair.  The problem is, if there is no Speaker - or nobody to whom he has given the gavel under the rules, then nobody can recognize a matter on the floor.   

The real question is whether the Speaker Pro Tempore has that power, and if he does, then you're right.  Don't need a Speaker, and McHenry already has those powers.  So just screw the whole election of a new Speaker and keep chugging ahead with McHenry.

[roamer_1]

Well, what would you call it if the federal government went completely unfunded for an extended period, and literally nobody who received a federal paycheck had a job anymore? No military, nobody to process social security or Medicare, no border security, nobody to enforce any federal laws at all...it literally all just stopped.  No air traffic...none of it.  For months/years.

You're hyperventilating, @Maj. Bill Martin ... We have plenty of Tumpsters to do that around here... 

[Hoodat]

Apparently you do, under the Rules.  Committees can keep operating, and what you saw had to have someone in the Chair.  The problem is, if there is no Speaker - or nobody to whom he has given the gavel under the rules, then nobody can recognize a matter on the floor.   

When have House rules ever stopped the House from doing anything?  They can suspend the rules any time they want on voice votes without a rollcall.

[Hoodat]

Proud Elephant 🇺🇸🦅
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🚨 JUST IN: Here are the 6 Republicans that have said they are considering working with the Democrats to elect a Democrat Speaker if Jim Jordan is the nominee.

1. Mike Rogers (AL)
2. Ann Wagner (MO)
3. Don Bacon (NE)
4. Vern Buchanan (FL)
5. Carlos Gimenez (FL)
6. Mario Diaz

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THIS is the Establishment we are fighting against.  There is no way in hell I am ever supporting any Republican willing to vote for a Dem as Speaker when Republicans hold the majority.  I know Jim Jordan would never do that.  To hell with them all.

[Free Vulcan]

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THIS is the Establishment we are fighting against.  There is no way in hell I am ever supporting any Republican willing to vote for a Dem as Speaker when Republicans hold the majority.  I know Jim Jordan would never do that.  To hell with them all.

This is my entire point. Everybody's pissy and wants to expel Gaetz from the House for removing McCarthy, but it's ok for these clowns to prevent Jordan from becoming Speaker  and elect a Rat.

Hypocrisy so thick you can slice it like bread.

[catfish1957]

Can you say Speaker Jeffries

https://twitter.com/ProudElephantUS/status/1713705984546255079

6 that need to lose 100% RNC money and a massive primary challenge.

[Kamaji]

Turner: If GOP can’t elect Speaker then ‘deal will have to be done’ with Democrats
by Miranda Nazzaro - 10/15/23 2:27 PM ET

Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) said Sunday if House Republicans cannot elect a Speaker soon then a “deal will have to be done” with Democrats in order to get the chamber running again, as it nears two weeks since Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) historic ousting.

Asked on CBS News’s “Face the Nation” if there is a possible alternative scenario in which Republicans will need to work with Democrats to find a “mutually acceptable Speaker,” Turner responded that while he prefers a Republican solution to electing a Speaker and supports Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), a few hard-line GOP members may force a bipartisan deal.

“I think Jim Jordan will be an excellent Speaker. I think he’ll be able to get to 217. If not, we have other leaders in the House. And certainly, if there is a need if the radical, you know, almost just handful of people in the Republican side, make it unable … to be able to return to general work on the House, then I think obviously, there will be a deal [that] will have to be done,” Turner said.

McCarthy was booted from the top spot in a 216-210 vote nearly two weeks ago, making him the first Speaker to to ever be ousted. Eight Republicans joined all House Democrats in voting to take away the gavel from the California Republican.

In the chaotic set of days that followed, the Republicans vying for the Speakership have been met with internal division and opposition, making it more difficult to garner the 217 needed to take the top spot.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4257216-turner-if-gop-cant-elect-speaker-then-deal-will-have-to-be-done-with-democrats/

Congratulations, Mr. Gaetz.  How big was that check from the DNC?

[mountaineer]

DC_Draino
@DC_Draino
Hair jokes aside, Rep. Mike Rogers is openly organizing a coalition of Democrats to join with RINOs to elect a Uniparty Speaker (possibly Hakeem Jeffries)

The reason is simple

Mike is Chair of Armed Services and bought out by defense contractors

Jim Jordan wants to stop Ukraine funding

The Military Industrial Complex has been funding Mike Rogers for years so they have him on a tight leash to be their little Congressional war funding simp
3:03 PM · Oct 15, 2023

[Maj. Bill Martin]

You're hyperventilating, @Maj. Bill Martin ... We have plenty of Tumpsters to do that around here... 

I'm not hyperventilating - I'm taking what some people say at face value.  You know, as if they actually mean what they say.  Novel concept, I know....

So I assume you at least would agree that shutting down the federal government long-term is not a viable strategy.  Right? Because believe it or not, there really are people advocating exactly that. 

Now maybe they're just posturing.  Maybe.  But it really doesn't matter because that rhetoric alone is going to push the moderates into making a deal with someone who isn't telling people they don't have a problem with a long-term shutdown.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

When have House rules ever stopped the House from doing anything?  They can suspend the rules any time they want on voice votes without a rollcall.

Of course, every time there has been a vote to suspend the rules, that vote itself has been authorized and put on the floor by...the Speaker. 

It's also important to remember that the position of Speaker is itself specifically mandated by the Constitution, which says that the House "shall" chuse its Speaker and other officers.  So to the extent Republicans decided that they didn't need a Speaker, they would actually be violating their Constitutional oath.

I'm personally in favor of just ratifying McHenry, and moving forward.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

DC_Draino
@DC_Draino
Hair jokes aside, Rep. Mike Rogers is openly organizing a coalition of Democrats to join with RINOs to elect a Uniparty Speaker (possibly Hakeem Jeffries)

The reason is simple

Mike is Chair of Armed Services and bought out by defense contractors

Jim Jordan wants to stop Ukraine funding

The Military Industrial Complex has been funding Mike Rogers for years so they have him on a tight leash to be their little Congressional war funding simp
3:03 PM · Oct 15, 2023

I don't think that's what Rogers is actually doing...at least not yet.  I think he's trying to apply pressure to the conservatives to compromise.

But I do think there are more than enough votes to sink Jordan the same way McCarthy and Scalise were sunk.  So the question is whether or not it is possible to elect a compromise candidate.  If not...then Rogers and co. may look to the Democrats.

[bilo]

This is my entire point. Everybody's pissy and wants to expel Gaetz from the House for removing McCarthy, but it's ok for these clowns to prevent Jordan from becoming Speaker  and elect a Rat.

Hypocrisy so thick you can slice it like bread.

Great point!

[mountaineer]

Rogers has changed his tune and now says he'll vote for Jordan.

Mike Rogers
@RepMikeRogersAL
@Jim_Jordan and I have had two cordial, thoughtful, and productive conversations over the past two days. We agreed on the need for Congress to pass a strong NDAA, appropriations to fund our government's vital functions, and other important legislation like the Farm Bill.

As a result, I have decided to support Jim Jordan for Speaker of the House on the floor.

Since I was first elected to the House, I have always been a team player and supported what the majority of the Republican Conference agrees to. Together, our Republican majority will be stronger to fight Joe Biden’s reckless agenda for America.
9:34 AM · Oct 16, 2023

I've read that Rep. Ann Wagner is the only holdout.