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« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2023, 06:56:14 pm »
Ukraine must fight when attacked, but Israel must stand down.

Got it.

Good point.

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« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2023, 06:56:46 pm »
Ukraine must fight when attacked, but Israel must stand down.

Got it.
No, Israel needs to find a new land.

We could have given them Utah, landlocked and safe, but NO... they HAD to steal Arab land against the Arabs' wishes... because Hitler or something. And for 75 years, nothing but strife.

This is white saviorism. Israel as we know it was a mistake, and nobody will admit it.

Besides, without the Temple, it's not truly Israel anyway.

As for Ukraine... oh yeah, another Zionist runs Ukraine. Put him in charge of New Judea, maybe he can bilk a few English speaking countries to keep it afloat.
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« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2023, 06:57:00 pm »
When are the American C-130 Transports and Boeing 737s that Biden sent for evacuating Americans and North American citizens expected to land?


Welllll, we spent $6B on that prisoner swap with Iran and now we're a little short for evacuations.
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« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2023, 06:58:07 pm »
No, Israel needs to find a new land.

We could have given them Utah, landlocked and safe, but NO... they HAD to steal Arab land against the Arabs' wishes... because Hitler or something. And for 75 years, nothing but strife.

This is white saviorism. Israel as we know it was a mistake, and nobody will admit it.

Besides, without the Temple, it's not truly Israel anyway.

As for Ukraine... oh yeah, another Zionist runs Ukraine. Put him in charge of New Judea, maybe he can bilk a few English speaking countries to keep it afloat.

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« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2023, 07:02:01 pm »
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« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2023, 07:02:52 pm »
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Let’s be clear-eyed about what is happening and what will happen.

As Israel fights back against a bloodthirsty Hamas, you will likely see many so-called thought leaders denounce Israel’s “disproportionate” force against an enemy that kidnaps, rapes, and kills women and children.

Those voices will be siding with evil. They should be condemned and held accountable.
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« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2023, 07:02:58 pm »
No, Israel needs to find a new land.

We could have given them Utah, landlocked and safe, but NO... they HAD to steal Arab land against the Arabs' wishes... because Hitler or something. And for 75 years, nothing but strife.

This is white saviorism. Israel as we know it was a mistake, and nobody will admit it.

Besides, without the Temple, it's not truly Israel anyway.

As for Ukraine... oh yeah, another Zionist runs Ukraine. Put him in charge of New Judea, maybe he can bilk a few English speaking countries to keep it afloat.

The level of ignorance in this post is stunning.  You do realize that there were Jews already living in British 'Palestine' in 1948, right?  And that it was Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon that occupied Gaza and the West Bank once a 'free Palestine' was declared?

Stole their land?  Yeah, right.  You might want to go brush up on your history there, son, and learn who attacked who.
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« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2023, 07:05:44 pm »
Images of the Shufat Refugee Camp just moments ago:

Another United Nations success story.
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« Reply #60 on: October 08, 2023, 07:07:45 pm »
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Rumor is House Democrats are going to refuse to separate aid money to Israel and aid money to Ukraine to ensure Ukraine gets funded.

A total disgrace. Vote on it separately. Two separate countries!
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« Reply #61 on: October 08, 2023, 07:08:08 pm »
The level of ignorance in this post is stunning.  You do realize that there were Jews already living in British 'Palestine' in 1948, right?  And that it was Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon that occupied Gaza and the West Bank once a 'free Palestine' was declared?

Stole their land?  Yeah, right.  You might want to go brush up on your history there, son, and learn who attacked who.
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. That's why there's a state of Israel.

It was a make-good to the Jewish people after World War II. But instead of Americans giving up their barren mountain territory, they intruded on Arab territory. And for 75 years, nothing but strife.

That hadn't been Jewish territory in 2,000 years... and AFAIC they gave up their rights when they crucified Jesus. (Matthew 21:45) If we're going to hold to the fiction of that being the Jewish homeland, then we had better surrender to the native Tribes and give them back "their" land, too.

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« Reply #62 on: October 08, 2023, 07:11:10 pm »
The level of ignorance in this post is stunning.  You do realize that there were Jews already living in British 'Palestine' in 1948, right?  And that it was Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon that occupied Gaza and the West Bank once a 'free Palestine' was declared?

Stole their land?  Yeah, right.  You might want to go brush up on your history there, son, and learn who attacked who.

American Christians Should Stand with Israel under Attack

Americans awoke this morning to reports of war in the Middle East, as the terrorist group Hamas attacked the state of Israel in unspeakably brutal ways. As our screens fill with imagery of fire raining down from the skies, of families grieving the kidnapping and murder of their loved ones, we know that—just as for our own country in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks—this evil day is just the beginning of what is to come. As we pray for peace at the beginning of this war, American Christians should do so with the moral clarity to recognize Israel’s right and duty to defend itself.

Some might assume that evangelical Protestants automatically support Israel based on eschatological views that cast the modern state of Israel in some role in biblical prophecy. For some, this is indeed the case. Many of us, though, don’t share those beliefs. We believe the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ, not in the 1948 Israeli Declaration of Independence. Many of us are quite willing to call out Israel when we believe it is acting wrongly. We don’t believe the Israeli Knesset is somehow inerrant or infallible.

But even with those disagreements, American Christians should be united in support of Israel as it’s under attack.

Some Christians, to be sure, are pacifists who believe any military action to be wrong. Most Christians throughout church history, however, have held to some form of just war theory, which holds that war is always awful, but—under certain, very limited circumstances—can be morally justified.

Jesus interacted with soldiers (Matt. 8:5–13) and called them, as others, to repent of sin. But he never spoke of military service itself as a sin. The apostle Paul wrote of the role of the state to “bear the sword” against “the wrongdoer” (Rom. 13:1–4). This authority is hardly boundless. Every state is accountable to the justice of God and, if it acts unjustly, is subject to the judgment of God. The very Roman government of which Paul wrote was pictured later in Scripture as a “beast” state to be opposed (Rev. 13:1–18).

When acting justly, though, the state has not only the right but the responsibility to protect itself and the lives of its citizens.

Sometimes, especially in the early moments of any war, we may be uncertain about who is right and who is wrong. There is no such moral confusion here. Hamas—and its state sponsors—attacked innocent people, as they have done repeatedly in the past, this time employing a force and brutality previously unseen.

We should expect any just state to respond with force to an attack like the one Israel has suffered—but here, that impetus is heightened by the unique circumstances that led to the formation of the Jewish state. Many tried to appease a bloodthirsty German Reich even as it carried out the worst genocidal atrocity in the history of the world. After those butchers were defeated, and the state of Israel established, Israel faced constant threats to its very existence, often in terms of the very same antisemitic tropes weaponized by the Nazis about the so-called “Jewish question.”

As Americans, we should stand with Israel under attack because it is a fellow liberal democracy—and a democracy in a region dominated by illiberal, authoritarian regimes. As Christians, we should pay special attention to violence directed toward Israel—just as we would pay special attention to a violent attack on a member of our extended family. After all, we are grafted on to the promise made to Abraham (Rom. 11:17). Our Lord Jesus was and is a Jewish man from Galilee. Rage against the Jewish people is rage against him, and, because we are in him, against us.

No one wanted to wake up to war in what was already a tinderbox of the world order. But war has come, and we should recognize terrorism for what it is. We should also recognize the justice of a forceful response to that terrorism. However we read the prophecy passages of the Bible, and however we disagree on world politics, American Christians ought to stand together with Israel now.

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« Reply #63 on: October 08, 2023, 07:12:07 pm »
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Search and Recovery Operations at the Music Festival near the Gaza Strip have Ceased with at least 260 Bodies of various Nationalities having been Discovered and another 50+ are expected to have been Kidnapped by Hamas Terrorists into Gaza.

The terrorists think they are so tough and their opposition so weak that this kind of stuff inspires fear. Reality is blatant genocide of civilians tends to inspire rage and something to rally around.
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« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2023, 07:15:09 pm »
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. That's why there's a state of Israel.

It was a make-good to the Jewish people after World War II. But instead of Americans giving up their barren mountain territory, they intruded on Arab territory. And for 75 years, nothing but strife.

That hadn't been Jewish territory in 2,000 years... and AFAIC they gave up their rights when they crucified Jesus. (Matthew 21:45) If we're going to hold to the fiction of that being the Jewish homeland, then we had better surrender to the native Tribes and give them back "their" land, too.

Unless you truly believe we have white privilege.

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« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2023, 07:18:47 pm »
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Notice how the press is using the word “incursion” to describe 600+ dead Israelis, thousands of wounded and dozens of hostages paraded around Gaza.

This wasn’t an incursion. This was step 1 in a planned Jewish genocide.

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« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2023, 07:19:01 pm »
Really ignorant question: what happens if we have a referendum to some sort of compromise in the Mideast? Just mix Palestine and Israel and let them vote on it?

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When you see Hamas holding American guns and you have a half dozen legitimate paths to follow on how they got them… Afghanistan, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, etc. We arm the devils and fund the wars.
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« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2023, 07:22:51 pm »
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WHO are the PALESTINIANS? WHAT & WHERE is PALESTINE?

These and other questions will be addressed more fully as you go through this website. However, there is a preliminary historical fact that must be established now. There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a Palestinian national movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War, when Israel regained control over Judea and Samaria (the so-called "West Bank"). It was then, and only then, that a Palestinian national movement was born with one primary goal: the creation of an Arab Palestinian state with which to replace Israel. It's really that simple!

Israel became a nation in 1312B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel were overrun and its First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!

Then in 70 A.D. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population. Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects... yet thousands upon thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuilt a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land.

Over the next 2,000 years various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own. The region was successively ruled by the Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, Crusaders, Mamelukes and finally the Ottoman Turks who indifferently governed the backward, neglected territory from the 16th century until the British drove them out during World War I (1914-18). It must be noted that in 636 A.D., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!" And remember this one fact... it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. If anything, it was the Arabs in 636A.D. who overran and stole it from the Jews!

In Conclusion: No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948 with the rebirth of the Nation of Israel, has ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land. A mighty Jewish empire extended over this entire area before the Arabs and their Islam were even born! The Jewish People have one of the most legitimate Birth Certificates of any nations in the world. And if you want to talk religion, fine. G-d GAVE the Land of Israel to the Jewish People. And G-d does nothing by accident!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "PALESTINE?"

The term "Palestine" came from the name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the ancient Land of Israel in an attempt to obliterate and de-legitimize the Jewish presence in the Holy Land. The Roman Procurator in charge of the Judean-Israel territories was so angry at the Jews for revolting that he called for his historians and asked them who were the worst enemies of the Jews in their past history. The scribes said, ‘the Philistines." So, the Procurator declared that Land of Israel would from then on be called "Philistia" [further bastardized into "Palaistina"] to dishonor the Jews and obliterate their history. Hence the name "Palestine." One more thing. Very often one hears the revisionists and propagandists finding ancient historical links between the "Philistines" and the Arab "Palestinians." There is no truth to this claim! The Philistines were one of a number of Sea Peoples who reached the eastern Mediterranean region approximately 1250-1100B.C. They were actually an amalgamation of various ethnic groups, primarily of Aegean and south-east European origin [Greece, Crete and Western Turkey] ... but surely not of Arabian origin! These Philistines were not Arab... and neither was Goliath! The Arabs of "Palestine" are just that... Arabs! And these Arabs of "Palestine" have about as much historical roots to the ancient Philistines as Yasser Arafat has to the Eskimos!

If anything, the name "Palestine" was associated with Jews. In the years leading up to the rebirth of Israel in 1948, those who spoke of "Palestinians" were nearly always referring to the region's Jewish residents. In fact, Arab leaders rejected the notion of a unique "Palestinian Arab" identity, insisting that Palestine was merely a part of "Greater Syria."

THE RETURN TO ZION

The Land of Israel was never devoid of Jews, although at times, only in the tens of thousands. This was because the land was virtually uninhabitable when the Jews once again began their God-given right AND duty to return en masse to the land of their forefathers (the Zionist Movement) in the 1880s. The silly rhetoric about a massive Arab presence being overrun by "invading Jews" is quickly dispelled by Mark Twain, who visited the area in 1867. From his book, "The Innocents Abroad"... "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds... a silent mournful expanse.... a desolation.... we never saw a human being on the whole route.... hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

1880's Palestine's early Jewish Zionists were idealistic pioneers who arrived in pre-state Israel with every intention of living in peace alongside their Arab neighbors and upgrading the quality of life for all of the land's inhabitants. The vast majority of Arabs came to the area after these early Zionists pioneers began to drain the malaria-infested swamps and rebuild the land! In doing so, these Jews created the economic opportunities and medical availabilities which attracted Arabs from both surrounding territories and far-away lands! In fact, over 90% of the Arabs migrated there within the last one hundred years. So much for their unfounded claims that they have been there since "time immemorial!"

Yet while the returning Jews were highly motivated to restore the land, the Arabs seethed with envy and hatred because they lacked both the leadership to inspire or motivate them for they were in fact historical strangers to this land! Unlike the Jews, these Arabs who immigrated there had no ancient attachments or historical memories to this homeland ... this ancient Land of the Jews!

In Conclusion: There was NO "Arab Palestinian" history before the Arabs created one somewhat after 1948 but especially after the June 1967 Arab-Israeli War! Archeological sites to this very day continue to yield artifacts with Hebrew writing, not some fictitious "Palestinian" or Arabic text! The so-called "Palestinian" Arabs were simply then, as they are now, Arabs no different culturally, historically or ethnically from other Arabs living in any other of the 24 Arab countries from which they emigrated and came into "Palestine!" Had the Chinese come to the area, they too would be called "Palestinians!" And had not the Arabs continued to brainwash generation upon generation into believing this HISTORICAL HOGWASH about some ancient "Arab Palestinian" ties to the Holy Land, most could have gotten themselves a real life by now with much less bloodshed and suffering for everyone concerned! For more on the myth of a "Palestinian People" click HERE GREED, PRIDE, ENVY! The Arabs of today controls 24 nations... 99½ percent of the ENTIRE Middle East land mass while Israel occupies only a 1/2 of 1 percent speck on this same map. But that's still too much land for the Arabs to spare. They want it all. As they shout out, "We will fight to our last drop of blood for for every last grain of sand!" And that is ultimately what all the fighting is about today. And no matter how many land concessions the Israelis might make for "peace," it will never be enough! Any peace treaty between Israel and the Arab world are ultimately meaningless. Even the Israeli-Egyptian and Israeli-Jordanian peace treaties are holding on by a single thread and if you were to read their government-controlled newspapers you'd think they were still at war with Israel! PEACE IS IMPOSSIBLE! -The Death of Compromise- There's No More "Middle" in the Middle East From the moment the Jewish People re-established sovereignty in their ancient homeland, they sought genuine peace with all of their neighbors. Unfortunately, their neighbors did not wish to share a peaceful existence with the Jews. They, like Bin Ladin, felt that they had a religious obligation to destroy the non-Muslim/Arab Jewish State... and all non-Moslem governments in the world. The Arab campaign against Israel is rooted not in any negotiable grievances but in a basic opposition to the very existence of Jewish sovereignty in THEIR Middle East! The ultimate intent of the Arabs is to separate out Judaism from Israel... and then to separate Israel from the face of the Earth.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Question of Jerusalem And the Temple Mount

For over 3,300 years of history, Jerusalem (founded by King David) has been a capitol city for only the Jewish People. Jews have always lived in Jerusalem, except when they were massacred or driven out. There has, however, been a nearly unbroken Jewish presence in Jerusalem for the past 1,600 years. And since the early 1800's, the population of Jerusalem has been predominantly Jewish. Even when the Jordanians captured and occupied Jerusalem from 1948-67, they (the Jordanians) never sought to change it to their capital (replacing Amman) nor make it the capital of any "Arab Palestinian" people. In fact, Arab leaders from other Arab countries hardly ever bothered to visit Jerusalem! Only to the Jews has Jerusalem ever held special meaning! Another myth deals with the issue of Jerusalem and its Temple Mount. The myth is that Jerusalem is really an Arab city and that it is a central focus of Islam. The truth is that the Arabs expressed very limited interest in the Temple Mount before 1967. Besides, Mecca and Medina (both in Saudi Arabia) are Islam's holiest cities! One more thing about Jerusalem in general and its Temple Mount in particular. Jerusalem appears in the Jewish Bible 669 times and Zion (which usually means Jerusalem, sometimes the Land of Israel) 154 times, or 823 times in all. The Christian Bible mentions Jerusalem 154 times and Zion 7 times. Islam's Holy(?) Koran mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem and with good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammad ever visited Jerusalem! And if he did visit Jerusalem, it could not have been until 6 years after his death. Therefore, the notion that Mohammed ascended to Heaven from a rock in Jerusalem (today's Dome of the Rock) is even more ridiculous! From 1948 to 1967, when East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount were under Jordanian rule, they were ignored by the Arab world. No Arab leader ever paid a visit, not even to pray at the al-Aqsa Mosque or the Dome of the Rock (both located on the JEWISH Temple Mount). Even the Arabs of "Palestine" placed so low a priority on Jerusalem that the PLO's founding charter, the Palestinian National Covenant of 1964, made no reference whatsoever to it. Only when the Jews recaptured it after the 1967 "Six Day War" (initiated by the Arabs) did the Arab world SUDDENLY grow very passionate about Jerusalem! In truth, the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa mosques are just but two of hundreds of thousands of Muslim mosques around the world. Except for these two minor mosques, Jerusalem itself has no major Islamic significance. In fact, far more Christian shrines are in Jerusalem than Muslim ones!

When a Jew prays from anywhere in the world, he faces the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. When a Moslem prays, even while IN Jerusalem, he faces Mecca (in Saudi Arabia). So in many cases, even when a Moslem is in Jerusalem, his "hind quarters" are facing these two Jerusalem mosques! What does THIS tell you! And when Islamic suicide bombers try to take apart Jerusalem piece by piece, what does THAT tell you!
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« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2023, 07:30:56 pm »
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. That's why there's a state of Israel.

Bullshit.


It was a make-good to the Jewish people after World War II. But instead of Americans giving up their barren mountain territory, they intruded on Arab territory.

Americans?  Might want to recheck that one.  And for the record, there were Arab Jews already living there.  So "Arab territory" included Jews.


That hadn't been Jewish territory in 2,000 years...

The same argument can be made that it hasn't been Palestinian territory ever.


That hadn't been Jewish territory in 2,000 years... and AFAIC they gave up their rights when they crucified Jesus.

Ah, so you have a prejudice against Jews because of something the Romans did 2,000 years ago (Matthew 27:27-38).  Got it.


If we're going to hold to the fiction of that being the Jewish homeland, then we had better surrender to the native Tribes and give them back "their" land, too.

Another asinine argument.  What about the fiction of it being a Palestinian homeland?  The minute that the British partitioned the land, 'Palestine' [sic] found itself occupied by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, et al.  Care to guess what is the only country in the entire region that allows Palestinians to become citizens of that country?  (Hint:  It's flag is blue and white and has a large six-pointed star on it.)  And then we can talk about Jordan's treatment of Palestinians back in 1971 after they tried to take over the Jordanian government.  Never hear anyone weeping about that though.  It's only the Jews that are the bad guys.  Personally, I would have given Gaza back to Egypt back when Mubarak was President and let him deal with the Palestinians.  He certainly would not have shown the mercy that Israel has shown.

If Hamas and Hezbollah want war, then give it to them.  Nothing short of unconditional surrender.  Israel needs to take care of business.  And if that means deporting every Hamas-supporting 'muslim who never had a homeland', then so be it.  Maybe Canada or Minnesota will take them in.  Because it certainly won't be any African, Middle Eastern, or Asian country.  Not a one of them wants 'Palestinians' on their soil.  Not a single one.
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Re: BREAKING...Thread 2..........Israel At War
« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2023, 07:32:26 pm »
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Notice how the press is using the word “incursion” to describe 600+ dead Israelis, thousands of wounded and dozens of hostages paraded around Gaza.

This wasn’t an incursion. This was step 1 in a planned Jewish genocide.

Never again.

Words that need to mean something this time.

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Re: BREAKING...Thread 2..........Israel At War
« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2023, 07:35:51 pm »
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My Thoughts on this weekend:

I am having a hard time writing coherently about the events because of the amount of emotion still involved. It was the worst terror attack in the modern history of Israel, including those that occurred during both Intifadas. As of writing this, the death toll is over 600. Given that Israel is a country of just over 9.3 Million people and the bodies are still being counted, this will end up being the equivalent of at least 10 9/11’s for the country. It was also easily the worst massacre of Jews in one day since World War II. We won't know the full details for weeks, but I also suspect that dozens of Americans will be among the casualties or hostages.

The level of failure here is unprecedented and a lot of people in the Israeli government and military will have to answer for it after the war is over. The images of dead women and children lying in the street and at bus stops will haunt me for a long time. These events have changed the Middle East for years to come as Israel must now accept again that they are fighting for their survival and cannot settle for anything less than full security for its citizens moving forward.

A few other scattered thoughts:

1) This was a choice by Palestinians in Gaza and now both sides will pay a heavy price for it. Israel took a very controversial step in 2005 by unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza and allowing Palestinians to govern themselves. This included Israel forcibly removing Jews from their homes to establish a clearer border and eliminate settlements. Since then, those Palestinians have had a choice between peace and prosperity or hate and terrorism. They chose the latter at every turn. They elected a terrorist group to rule over them. Instead of investing in hospitals, schools, or farms, they spent all their time focused on building terror tunnels, stockpiling Iranian missiles, and launching constant attacks.

That choice has also become the primary impediment to a permanent peace deal because the justified perception among Israelis now is that any land they give up or deals they make will just be used to stockpile weapons and prepare for more attacks against Israeli civilians.

2) The Biden administration has a lot to answer for here. Their entire approach to the region has been a failure. They restarted aid to Gaza without any conditions. They have continually enabled Iran, including with a recent deal that gave Iran $6 Billion extra to fund the very types of attacks and missile stockpiles we saw used this week. Finally, they have downplayed and ignored the scandal of their administration being compromised by an Iranian influence operation that connects back to the Iranian government. That Iran hostage deal was negotiated by Qatar, which is where the Hamas leadership lives in luxury while planning terrorist attacks against innocent civilians.

3) While it is true that reality is always complex, that does not mean that morality is relative. There is clarity between good and evil. There are real differences between those who value innocent life and those who want to destroy it. It is disheartening watching such an act of evil being celebrated by millions of people, but that's the reality we live in and we must face it head-on. We cannot be confused about who are the good guys and the bad guys. You can argue about different responses or levels of involvement, but Putin, Iran's regime, CCP, Hamas etc. represent evil and those they seek to undermine and destroy, while not perfect, are not comparable.

4) The early headlines have downplayed the severity and nature of the attack. MSNBC’s coverage all day on Saturday was ignorant and deplorable in trying to excuse the actions of the terrorists. Similarly, The New York Times actually published an article on the same day suggesting that the Gaza suffering from the Israeli blockade was the real problem. Now the coverage and reactions are inevitably pushing on Israel to accept a more muted response. The answer should simply be no. That expectation would never exist for any other country facing this type of attack. This is a full war and Israel must do whatever it takes to win it decisively and ensure the security of its citizens is protected moving forward. At a minimum, that means an end to Hamas as the governing entity in Gaza.

Now I pray for Israel to do what must be done quickly and with as much precision as possible. It will take a miracle to recover the numerous hostages because they were mostly taken to try to force Israel to rethink a proper response in Gaza, which they cannot do. But I will pray for such a miracle anyway.
10:56 AM · Oct 8, 2023

Every word true and the U. S. actions have not been accidental. Iran has been calling the shots in the Biden administration from day one. Just as they did under Obama!
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Re: BREAKING...Thread 2..........Israel At War
« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2023, 07:37:05 pm »
Another update from the White House Situation Room:

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Re: BREAKING...Thread 2..........Israel At War
« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2023, 07:42:40 pm »
Wish people would stop calling a terrorist attack. This is an actual war and military campaign, proxies or state actors involved it doesn't matter.
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Re: BREAKING...Thread 2..........Israel At War
« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2023, 07:42:43 pm »
Old article I bookmarked like two decades ago. (Source article has disappeared).

Thanks for posting.  It is stunning out brainwashed the world has become.  No one wants to think about how Jordan annexed the West Bank, making it exclusively 'Jordan' and not 'Palestine'.  No one gave a rat's ass about 'Palestine' when that happened.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

-Dwight Eisenhower-


"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."

-Ayn Rand-