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Disturbing Facts about the Vietnam War You Never Knew ~ Video
« on: September 11, 2023, 11:55:28 pm »
Disturbing Facts about the Vietnam War You Never Knew ~ The Diary Of Julius Caesar

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Amid the dense jungles and cascading monsoons of the 1960s and 1970s, the Vietnam War unfolded, a geopolitical chess game that became one of the most polarizing events of the 20th century. Yet, beyond the well-trodden narratives and iconic images of this conflict, lay clandestine operations and little-known stories that shaped the course of the war.

Robert McNamara, the U.S. Secretary of Defense, spearheaded a divisive initiative named 'McNamara's 100,000.' This program lowered the military's intellectual standards, bringing into its ranks those previously considered unfit, all in a desperate attempt to meet the rising demands of the draft. The ripples of this decision profoundly affected the fabric of troops stationed in Vietnam, often leading to unexpected consequences on the battlefield.

Simultaneously, the shadows of the jungles concealed 'Project Eldest Son,' an ingenious ploy where the U.S. tampered with enemy ammunition. By subtly sabotaging these munitions, the intent was clear: to cause unexpected explosions in Viet Cong weaponry, instigating paranoia and mistrust within their ranks. Meanwhile, as gunfire echoed and strategies shifted, the barbers of Vietnam played their unique role. These unsung heroes transformed their shops into silent chambers of intelligence, picking up invaluable information with each snip and shave.

Have you ever paused to consider these lesser-known facets of the Vietnam War? How did such covert operations and seemingly mundane events influence the larger theatrics of war?


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Re: Disturbing Facts about the Vietnam War You Never Knew ~ Video
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2023, 03:24:12 am »
Interesting video that was mostly  correct. Hard to be 100 percent accurate about intelligence operations that shift focus constantly.

One example is the name they gave to the program that had SF troops "Salting" the enemy ammo bunkers in Laos and Cambodia with  ammo that would blow up in their weapons and usually kill the shooters. I was familiar with that program when it was called "Ivory Green".

It was NOT something that happened every day,though. First,you had to local an NVA ammo dump that was unguarded,since if you had to kill anyone guarding it,you weren't going to surprise anyone. And make no mistake about it,even though it SEEMS like the majority of those ammo dumps were unguarded,they were damn hard to find. It was NOT something you could count on,although most recon teams did carry along a handful of "Ivory Green" AK cartridges to "salt" any ammo dump they might find by accident. Sometimes you would just drop a few rounds by a trail,hoping some NVA would pick them up thinking some other NVA had accidentally dropped them,and load his weapon with  them.

I do know of cases where it was obvious the NVA were using it,though. You would see a NVA raise his AK to shoot,and and when he pulled the trigger the ammo in the chamber would explode and drive the bolt back through his head. This tended to make the other NVA a little hesitant to shoot. Best of all were the "Ivory Green" mortar rounds. If you were close,you could hear the mortar round go "thunk" as it was dropped down the tube,and then hear the explosion as it went off and killed the mortar crew.

I understand the program included artillery rounds for NVA artillery pieces,but never saw one of those.  I  have no doubt it was true though,because the NVA were fond of shelling camps close to the border.

At one time the NVA were denying they were using what became called the Ho Chi Mihn Trail to move troops and ammunition south to attack inside South VN,but a SF MSG that I knew (can't remember his name at the moment,but IIRC,he was "Squirrel" Sprous's RT leader) took his recon team right up to the edge of the road and filmed them using a 8mm movie camera. This film was later shown at the Geneva Conference where the NVN were denying they were attacking SVN or even sending supplies to attack SVN. The film pretty much shut them up.

BTW,it was Squirrel and his team leader who went into NVN to try to  rescue the first Naval Officer shot down in NVN. They were on a Aircraft Carrier offshore at the time,teaching the pilots and rescue crews things they needed to know when the fighter/bomber was shot down,so they suited up and went into NVN to try to rescue the pilot. They got close enough before running into a NVA patrol that the pilot later stated he could hear the gunfire and the screaming,but their cover was blown after that,and since they had no idea they were so close and there was only  6 of them,they had to turn around and run for a hill to get extracted before they were overran.

IIRC,This pilot ("Jeremiah Denton?) was the first US pilot captured  by the NVA,and when the NVA released  the prisoners,the recon team leader that led the rescue attempt met with  him and gave  him the NVA pistol  belt and pistol that he took off the NVA platoon leader he killed during that skirmish. Wish I could be sure of his name and spelling,but too much time has passed. Can't even ask Squirrel because he retired from the army after 20+  years,and went home to northern Va to live and work,and fell off a roof while doing construction work,and died from the fall. HELL of a nice guy,and about as sharp as they came.
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Re: Disturbing Facts about the Vietnam War You Never Knew ~ Video
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2023, 03:29:01 am »
BTW,can someone explain to me why this was "disturbing information"?
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