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‘Return Lawfare In Kind’: Stephen Miller Urges Republicans To Draft Criminal Referrals For Future DOJ, Local Prosecutors
By Cullen McCueAugust 20, 2023Updated:August 21, 2023

Former White House advisor under President Donald Trump and founder of America First Legal, Stephen Miller, urged House Republicans to draft criminal referrals for President Biden, Russia hoax conspirators and others during an appearance on Fox News’ Sunday Morning Futures.

“We have entered a dark new era in American history in which the prosecutor’s office has been weaponized and been transformed into an instrument of political repression,” Miller said when asked about the 96 felony counts currently brought against former President Trump in four separate cases. “And anybody thinking this stops here, anybody thinking that ‘oh well this will be it’ and the democrats will move on, the radical left will move on; is living in a delusion. They’re living in an absolute fantasy.”

“If you can get away with having a local prosecutor or, main justice, take over a presidential election, throw innocent people in jail for decades potentially. If you can prosecute and incarcerate Republican attorneys for the crime, the thought crime, of providing legal counsel with which the prosecutor disagrees; there’s no limiting principle here,” he continued.

Miller then argued that Republicans must respond with “lawfare in kind,” stating that it is the only way to end politicized investigation and possibly restore order. “I think you have to take a hard look at both the Russia hoax conspiracy, all of these things,” Miller told Fox News host Maria Bartiromo. “The Russia hoax conspiracy, the open borders criminal and cartel conspiracy, the suppression of first amendment speech conspiracy, the deprivation of civil rights by the Biden administration and local prosecutors, and on down through the list,” he continued.

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‘Return Lawfare In Kind’: Stephen Miller Urges Republicans To Draft Criminal Referrals For Future DOJ, Local Prosecutors

:amen: It's called fighting fire with fire! It's the ONLY thing the left understands or respects and we won't ever win again until we go there!
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Bullshit. BOTH SIDES breaking the law, or the spirit of the law...

SURE...That's sure to make things better!  *****rollingeyes*****

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Bullshit. BOTH SIDES breaking the law, or the spirit of the law...

SURE...That's sure to make things better!  *****rollingeyes*****

How is sitting on our collective @$$es and allowing those lawfare bastards to do anything they want with no opposition going to make anything Better? @roamer_1
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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How is sitting on our collective @$$es and allowing those lawfare bastards to do anything they want with no opposition going to make anything Better? @roamer_1

Turn-around is fair play, I guess. But if no side cares for the law, there will BE NO LAW.
Just like if no side cares for small government, there will be no small government, as has already been proven.

Lawfare from the right is not a solution. That's playing right into their hands.

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Lawfare is the use of legal systems and institutions to damage or delegitimize an opponent, or to deter individual's usage of their legal rights.

Once again, I ask, how does letting one side do that kind of thing without opposition make anything better?
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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Lawfare is the use of legal systems and institutions to damage or delegitimize an opponent, or to deter individual's usage of their legal rights.

Once again, I ask, how does letting one side do that kind of thing without opposition make anything better?


I said my piece. And I'll stand on it.

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I said my piece. And I'll stand on it.

So have I! And I'll gladly stand on it!

We've tried being nice and playing fair and very nearly lost our republic doing it that way! I'm done with that!
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Bullshit. BOTH SIDES breaking the law, or the spirit of the law...

SURE...That's sure to make things better!  *****rollingeyes*****

 :shrug:

We're past that now I think.

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Bullshit!  With the democrats ruling like a one party political system, much in alignment with many Communist systems/government, and Republicans oppressed, even when not guilty of any serious crimes.  This is what democrats stooge minions want called 'fair'.  Don't you want 'fair' dispensed government, one level- democrats innocent in investigations even before a investigation begins, the Republicans clearly guilty of any charge democrats can dream up, and Trump impeached endless times, despite many of those charges have been phony and dropped to affect the coming Pres election.  Political whores and stooges helped the democrats bring this Communist style governance upon this nation to its clear detriment.  More and more democrats act like socialist under George Soros control.  The utopia promised is the horror of one world government the Bible warned of thousands of years ago.
How the liars and lovers of lies love this time until its their turn to reduce the surplus population due to socialist governing of the nation, incompetently and intentionally so.
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We're past that now I think.

Quite possibly... And as always, folks get hot around the collar and stop thinking... about the damage they are doing to the very thing they seek to defend.

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So have I! And I'll gladly stand on it!

We've tried being nice and playing fair and very nearly lost our republic doing it that way! I'm done with that!



No one has been playing fair. No one had been playing at all!

Liberalism is not winning on merit. It has no merit.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.

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Turn-around is fair play, I guess. But if no side cares for the law, there will BE NO LAW.
Just like if no side cares for small government, there will be no small government, as has already been proven.

Lawfare from the right is not a solution. That's playing right into their hands.

Exactly.  It also loses you whatever support you get from members of the public who disagree with lawfare.

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Exactly.  It also loses you whatever support you get from members of the public who disagree with lawfare.

That's true enough. I was dwelling on the principle, as is my wont... but the electoral/social aspects are just as valid.

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Exactly.  It also loses you whatever support you get from members of the public who disagree with lawfare.

I can't help but think that this is normalcy bias, you guys are assuming we are dealing with normal times. We might not be.

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I can't help but think that this is normalcy bias, you guys are assuming we are dealing with normal times. We might not be.

It's perfectly clear to me that these times are anything but normal!
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It's perfectly clear to me that these times are anything but normal!

Unfortunately, these are the end of times for our Republic unless things change in a rapid manner.
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I can't help but think that this is normalcy bias, you guys are assuming we are dealing with normal times. We might not be.

Fair enough... But that path is a road to anarchy.

A question. This very thing happened to Tom Delay, all those years ago... He was forced out of office in order to defend himself against bullshit charges... Lawfare at its finest.

And yet, all these years later, no remedy...
That's a performance issue on the so called Right.

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I can't help but think that this is normalcy bias, you guys are assuming we are dealing with normal times. We might not be.

Not normal times, but there are a whole lot of normal people who wish the times were more normal, and will vote for candidates who will return us to more sane times.  I don't think you gain their votes by engaging in the kind of conduct they don't like.

I'd also point out that an Administration really can't directly order someone to be prosecuted.   
Those generally are decisions made by the U.S. Attorneys in each district, or by state level AG's or local prosecutors.  And running on "I'm going to prosecute these specific people" isn't a smart idea.

If you're going to start the "tit for tat" approach, it's better to run on a "justice must be applied evenly regardless of politics" theme.   So if certain actions are going to be criminalized, they much be criminalized for both sides moving forward.

Better to present it that way rather than singling people or groups out for prosecution ahead of time.

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Not normal times, but there are a whole lot of normal people who wish the times were more normal, and will vote for candidates who will return us to more sane times.  I don't think you gain their votes by engaging in the kind of conduct they don't like.

I'd also point out that an Administration really can't directly order someone to be prosecuted.   
Those generally are decisions made by the U.S. Attorneys in each district, or by state level AG's or local prosecutors.  And running on "I'm going to prosecute these specific people" isn't a smart idea.

If you're going to start the "tit for tat" approach, it's better to run on a "justice must be applied evenly regardless of politics" theme.   So if certain actions are going to be criminalized, they much be criminalized for both sides moving forward.

Better to present it that way rather than singling people or groups out for prosecution ahead of time.

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Not normal times, but there are a whole lot of normal people who wish the times were more normal, and will vote for candidates who will return us to more sane times.  I don't think you gain their votes by engaging in the kind of conduct they don't like.

I'd also point out that an Administration really can't directly order someone to be prosecuted.   
Those generally are decisions made by the U.S. Attorneys in each district, or by state level AG's or local prosecutors.  And running on "I'm going to prosecute these specific people" isn't a smart idea.

If you're going to start the "tit for tat" approach, it's better to run on a "justice must be applied evenly regardless of politics" theme.   So if certain actions are going to be criminalized, they much be criminalized for both sides moving forward.

Better to present it that way rather than singling people or groups out for prosecution ahead of time.




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