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Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« on: August 15, 2023, 12:05:33 pm »
Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate

Derek Hunter
Aug 15, 2023

I know people love the man, but I don’t care. I’d happily vote for him for president for a third time if he wins the nomination, but what I won’t do is obey the army of goons and parasites who try to enforce absolute fealty to any politician ever.

I don’t owe Donald Trump a damn thing. He’s a politician, I’m a voter. He, and all politicians, owe me; owe us.

That’s unpopular to say nowadays, unless it’s about Democrats. But too many Republicans have developed blind loyalty to someone they’ve maybe only ever met at a grip and grin photo-op.

It’s not just Trump, it’s all of them. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.

You owe them nothing, they owe you. Once you lose sight of that it’s over.

So. When I see people declaring it’s their candidate or they won’t vote, I know I’m dealing with a moron. I don’t care who the candidate is – I’ve seen it for quite a few of them, just one a hell of a lot more than the others – it’s an incredibly stupid concept.

The presidency, even the nomination of a party, is not a reward for past deeds; it’s the investment of hope in future ones. That’s why so many people who seek high office lie – they swear they’ll do things in the hope they can check a couple of those boxes, but really just want the power and prestige.

Somebody is going to get it, why not the person you agree with the most?

That bit goes for the general election and the primary – why not the person you agree with the most?

To know who that is, you have to hear them all out, at least some, and you need to hear them discuss it all with each other. The idea that a candidate would run from debates is something Democrats do, not Republicans.

That’s why it’s so annoying that Donald Trump might not show up to at least the first few primary debates.

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Source:  https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2023/08/15/trump-needs-to-man-up-and-debate-n2626999

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2023, 12:54:49 am »
Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate

Derek Hunter
Aug 15, 2023

I know people love the man, but I don’t care. I’d happily vote for him for president for a third time if he wins the nomination, but what I won’t do is obey the army of goons and parasites who try to enforce absolute fealty to any politician ever.

I don’t owe Donald Trump a damn thing. He’s a politician, I’m a voter. He, and all politicians, owe me; owe us.

That’s unpopular to say nowadays, unless it’s about Democrats. But too many Republicans have developed blind loyalty to someone they’ve maybe only ever met at a grip and grin photo-op.

It’s not just Trump, it’s all of them. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.

You owe them nothing, they owe you. Once you lose sight of that it’s over.

So. When I see people declaring it’s their candidate or they won’t vote, I know I’m dealing with a moron. I don’t care who the candidate is – I’ve seen it for quite a few of them, just one a hell of a lot more than the others – it’s an incredibly stupid concept.

The presidency, even the nomination of a party, is not a reward for past deeds; it’s the investment of hope in future ones. That’s why so many people who seek high office lie – they swear they’ll do things in the hope they can check a couple of those boxes, but really just want the power and prestige.

Somebody is going to get it, why not the person you agree with the most?

That bit goes for the general election and the primary – why not the person you agree with the most?

To know who that is, you have to hear them all out, at least some, and you need to hear them discuss it all with each other. The idea that a candidate would run from debates is something Democrats do, not Republicans.

That’s why it’s so annoying that Donald Trump might not show up to at least the first few primary debates.

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Source:  https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2023/08/15/trump-needs-to-man-up-and-debate-n2626999

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2023, 01:47:14 am »
   I am most happy with him gone from the debates till his poll numbers start dropping.  We had 4 years to see what he'll do let's hear from the others for a change.
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2023, 01:50:39 am »
Realistically, is there anything we don't already know about the guy that would make a difference?  I think having him there would turn it into a debate about Trump instead of a debate on the issues.

I'd rather have him participate a few months down the road when the field is a winnowed a bit.  That way, everyone will get enough time so that it won't just be a battle of one liners.

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2023, 02:09:51 am »
Nah. He can skip the debates all he wants. All he'd do is suck the air out of the room like he always does.
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2023, 03:04:38 am »
Trump needs to man-up and fight the charges that have been levied against him.
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2023, 01:06:26 am »
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2023, 11:38:43 am »
At the very least, Trump needs to start acting like an adult, and not like a spoilt little child.

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2023, 06:34:09 pm »
At the very least, Trump needs to start acting like an adult, and not like a spoilt little child.

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2023, 06:40:33 pm »
Actually, it's better for the other candidates that Trump not appear.

Trump sucks all the oxygen out the room.

This gives Americans a better chance to hear what each candidate is trying to sell us.
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2023, 06:45:24 pm »
I would like Trump to appear in the debates, though he won't sign the pledge to support the GOP nominee so we'll see what happens.  At any rate, I think he's afraid to debate DeSantis. Trump of course will be bullying, and if all the other candidates are wise they'll ignore the attacks and debate the issues.  Trump will look like an absolute fool.
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2023, 07:03:53 pm »
I would like Trump to appear in the debates, though he won't sign the pledge to support the GOP nominee so we'll see what happens.  At any rate, I think he's afraid to debate DeSantis. Trump of course will be bullying, and if all the other candidates are wise they'll ignore the attacks and debate the issues.  Trump will look like an absolute fool.

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2023, 10:04:42 pm »
What, exactly, is Trump threatening here? False allegations of homosexuality against De Santis?

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2023, 10:10:07 pm »
What, exactly, is Trump threatening here? False allegations of homosexuality against De Santis?

https://twitter.com/Christo16275219/status/1692238377729274033

I read it as he's threatening false accusations of DeSantis having sex with a minor.
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2023, 10:11:15 pm »
(or possibly a man!)

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2023, 10:13:32 pm »
What, exactly, is Trump threatening here? False allegations of homosexuality against De Santis?

https://twitter.com/Christo16275219/status/1692238377729274033

This is the same sleazy allegation that Trump pushed months ago.  It may even have been the final straw that pushed me from just preferring DeSantis in the primary, to being unwilling to vote for Trump in the general election.

It's also why I have zero sympathy for him personally with these criminal charges.   I couldn't care less what happens to him - I oppose the prosecutions based on the facts that it is an abuse of government power.
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2023, 10:16:37 pm »
I would like Trump to appear in the debates, though he won't sign the pledge to support the GOP nominee so we'll see what happens.  At any rate, I think he's afraid to debate DeSantis. Trump of course will be bullying, and if all the other candidates are wise they'll ignore the attacks and debate the issues.  Trump will look like an absolute fool.

That's right. I think Tumpy can't debate on the issues, because his knowledge is shallow. He's all about roaring crowds, and little else.

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2023, 10:20:50 pm »
   Obviously, Trump's Internal Polls are showing something different than what @Right_in_Virginia posts here everyday   :shrug:
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2023, 10:22:59 pm »
   Obviously, Trump's Internal Polls are showing something different than what @Right_in_Virginia posts here everyday   :shrug:
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2023, 10:24:27 pm »
This is the same sleazy allegation that Trump pushed months ago.  It may even have been the final straw that pushed me from just preferring DeSantis in the primary, to being unwilling to vote for Trump in the general election.

It's also why I have zero sympathy for him personally with these criminal charges.   I couldn't care less what happens to him - I oppose the prosecutions based on the facts that it is an abuse of government power.


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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2023, 11:59:09 pm »
That's right. I think Tumpy can't debate on the issues, because his knowledge is shallow. He's all about roaring crowds, and little else.

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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2023, 12:18:20 am »
This is the same sleazy allegation that Trump pushed months ago.  It may even have been the final straw that pushed me from just preferring DeSantis in the primary, to being unwilling to vote for Trump in the general election.

It's also why I have zero sympathy for him personally with these criminal charges.   I couldn't care less what happens to him - I oppose the prosecutions based on the facts that it is an abuse of government power.
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2023, 12:19:04 am »
That's right. I think Tumpy can't debate on the issues, because his knowledge is shallow. He's all about roaring crowds, and little else.
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2023, 12:26:41 am »
Realistically, is there anything we don't already know about the guy that would make a difference?  I think having him there would turn it into a debate about Trump instead of a debate on the issues.

I'd rather have him participate a few months down the road when the field is a winnowed a bit.  That way, everyone will get enough time so that it won't just be a battle of one liners.

I agree...Let's see if anybody has any good ideas.
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Re: Trump Needs to Man-Up and Debate
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2023, 03:14:20 am »
I wonder if Vivek and Christie would focus on Ronny now that they're ahead of him in two early primary states  :pondering: