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Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal
« on: August 13, 2023, 05:12:48 pm »
Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal

Sarah Arnold
August 13, 2023

Former President Trump made it very clear he has no intention of accepting a plea deal after being indicted three times this year by President Joe Biden’s corrupt Department of Justice.

“Is there any chance that you take a plea deal?” a reporter asked Trump at the Iowa State Fair.

I’m response, Trump remained innocent and said he did nothing wrong so that a plea deal would be out of the question.

“I don't take plea deals. We did nothing wrong. We don't ever take a plea deal. We don't take plea deals. It's a wise guy question. You're just a wise guy,” Trump said. “We don't take plea deals because I did nothing wrong. It's called election interference."


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Source:  https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/08/13/trump-reveals-his-stance-on-a-potential-plea-deal-n2626946

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Re: Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2023, 05:12:57 pm »
We shall see ....

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Re: Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2023, 05:16:09 pm »
Election interference yes.  I believe that the question about a plea deal isn't out of line.  Trump is facing jail time and has a judge and jury that he isn't exactly Mr. Popular with.
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Re: Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2023, 12:58:32 am »
We shall see ....

I suppose it depends what the evidence will be that prosecutors have on him. If it turns out to be overwhelming and damaging enough, he'll accept  a plea deal
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Re: Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2023, 01:03:03 am »
I suppose it depends what the evidence will be that prosecutors have on him. If it turns out to be overwhelming and damaging enough, he'll accept  a plea deal

I think the charges are bogus and therefore not a whole lot of evidence.
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Re: Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2023, 02:17:18 am »
He better be putting Brad Raffensperger and Gabe Sterling on the stand.
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Re: Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2023, 04:01:11 am »
I think the problem with the charges is legal more than factual.  The prosecutions' theories of the cases are not valid legally, so the evidence may not even matter all that much.
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2023, 11:15:13 am »
He better be putting Brad Raffensperger and Gabe Sterling on the stand.

Since it turns on what he believed at the time as far as state of mind, they will almost certainly not be called as witnesses.

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2023, 12:41:35 pm »
He better be putting Brad Raffensperger and Gabe Sterling on the stand.


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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2023, 09:37:32 pm »
Since it turns on what he believed at the time as far as state of mind, they will almost certainly not be called as witnesses.

Trump's recorded conversation with Raffensperger asking for more votes is a key piece of the prosecution's case.  It can't be admitted without allowing the defense to cross examine.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2023, 09:39:06 pm »

Why?

Because they repeatedly violated State election laws.  I want to hear them admit it under oath.
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Re: Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2023, 01:56:26 pm »
Trump's recorded conversation with Raffensperger asking for more votes is a key piece of the prosecution's case.  It can't be admitted without allowing the defense to cross examine.

Cross-examination is not an invitation to a fishing expedition.  On cross, the examining attorney is generally limited to the subjects that were discussed on direct, as well as issues going to the credibility of the witness.  Georgia state rules on examination are broader than the federal rule, inasmuch as they provide that "[a ] witness may be cross-examined on any matter relevant to any issue in the proceeding."  Ga. Code Ann. §24-6-611.  However, that process is still subject to overall control by the judge, who is specifically directed to control examination to (1) "Make the interrogation and presentation effective for the ascertainment of the truth", (2) "Avoid needless consumption of time;" and (3) "Protect witnesses from harassment or undue embarrassment."  Id.

There will be precious little room to open a free-ranging inquiry into what Raffensperger did, particularly on cross-examination.

I would fully expect the prosecution to make a motion in limine to ring-fence that sort of inquiry.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2023, 02:22:19 am »
I would fully expect the prosecution to make a motion in limine to ring-fence that sort of inquiry.

I would expect it, too.  But the prosecution's case rests on the recorded phone call with Raffensperger.  The defense will have leeway to question Raffensperger regarding Trump's intent, primarily whether there was reason for Trump to believe that the election was rife with illegalities.  And in that regard, Raffensperger was the chief officer in charge when those illegalities took place.
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Re: Trump Reveals His Stance On a Potential Plea Deal
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2023, 12:37:37 pm »
I would expect it, too.  But the prosecution's case rests on the recorded phone call with Raffensperger.  The defense will have leeway to question Raffensperger regarding Trump's intent, primarily whether there was reason for Trump to believe that the election was rife with illegalities.  And in that regard, Raffensperger was the chief officer in charge when those illegalities took place.

I doubt it.  The question is what Trump believed, and when he believed it, not the veracity of his belief.  There will be no cross-examining Raffensperger on whatever violations of law he might have engaged in, because none of that is relevant to Trump's subjective belief.