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Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn

Starting in 2020, airlines did two insanely stupid things: They forced a generation of their most experienced pilots into early retirement, then committed to new race-based hiring rules.

BY: PEACHY KEENAN
JULY 19, 2023

A wagon train sounds more appealing to me right now than setting foot on a plane with a pilot more trained in detecting microaggressions at work than changes in airspeed and altitude.

I hate flying. My poor husband still has a sore arm from where I grabbed him every time the plane hit turbulence on our last flight. I didn’t always hate it — I used to fly across the country to and from college constantly without thinking about it. I’d fly to Europe without stressing about anything other than how bored I’d be for 12 hours. The Chuck Yeager voice of the calm pilot telling me to put my seatbelt on was reassuring. I was in good hands — the best.

But after one super bumpy flight through a storm cloud during a landing in Paris, I developed a fear of turbulence. This led to me falling into a plane crash rabbit hole. I learned about every gruesome plane crash from the last 50 years. I began to try to find out what caused most crashes, in a vain attempt to prevent having to go out like that.

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The miracle on the Hudson flight confirmed that in the unlikely event of a flight mishap, having a skilled pilot is literally your only hope.

This is why the degrading of pilot training and hiring in America fills me with existential dread. Since the pandemic-induced early buyouts of older and extremely experienced commercial pilots, I’ve been extra jumpy. Days before a flight, I start checking the turbulence maps to preview my fate. Looking at weather reports. Trying to figure out how old my actual plane will be and what its safety record is. I don’t fly certain airlines or during certain times of year (summer is thunderstorm season). You could not pay me to take an equator-crossing flight or one near Singapore, both routes known for bad turbulence.

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The one thing that enables me to get on a plane is the certainty that my pilot is a highly trained professional, maybe a former Navy or Air Force pilot, with many years of experience flying through rough weather on lesser planes. Maybe he’s flown sorties off an aircraft carrier, dodged midair shrapnel. My nonstop from LAX to Kona is a piece of cake to this guy. Nothing’s gonna faze him. He will get the kids and me to our overpriced vacation destination!

Only, those guys are going the way of the dodo. Most new pilots have no military training. Some have never flown a plane before they walk into the United Airlines flight academy.

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Starting in 2020, airlines panicked and did two insanely stupid things. They forced a generation of their most experienced pilots into early retirement, blaming the pandemic. Then, when they realized they’d triggered a catastrophic pilot shortage, they massively increased hiring. Unfortunately, it was 2020 so the new George Floyd rules were in effect. Airline after airline caved to the “diversity, equity, and inclusion” commissars and committed to new race-based hiring rules.

“Over the next decade, United will train 5,000 pilots who will be guaranteed a job with United, after they complete the requirements of the Aviate program — and our plan is for half of them to be women and people of color,” said United CEO Scott Kirby. “We’re excited that JPMorgan Chase has agreed to support our work to diversify our pilot ranks and create new opportunities for thousands of women and people of color who want to pursue a career in aviation.”

You may not be surprised to learn that it was newly trained United pilots who accidentally put a plane into a dive toward the ocean this year, coming a few hundred feet from turning the passengers into fish food. “The United Airlines pilots who were in the cockpit when their plane nosedived after taking off in Hawaii have been retrained, officials said — as aviation experts speculate they may have forgotten to program the aircraft’s autopilot,” The New York Post reported.

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Source:  https://thefederalist.com/2023/07/19/get-race-quotas-out-of-the-cockpit/

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“The United Airlines pilots who were in the cockpit when their plane nosedived after taking off in Hawaii have been retrained, officials said

Why doesn't that make me feel safer?

Could it be BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROPERLY TRAINED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

BTW,in the spirit of openness,my  brother is a retired TWA pilot. He retired due to his age.
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Most new pilots have no military training. Some have never flown a plane before they walk into the United Airlines flight academy.
The photo accompanying the article is disturbing, too.
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This diversity crap is sending us on the fast track to mediocrity especially in fields were ability and skill matters like flying a commercial airplane and medicine
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This diversity crap is sending us on the fast track to mediocrity especially in fields were ability and skill matters like flying a commercial airplane and medicine
The design, engineering and construction of things like bridges and buildings, too. Do you really want to take chances driving across an affirmative action bridge?
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The last time I was on a big jet was 1984.

I won't be getting on one again.

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Seriously, I'm becoming more and more nervous about air travel. That's a shame, because I really enjoy visiting Europe to explore my family roots and historical sites. Unless I can drive to England in a Chevy Colorado, I may be s.o.l.
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Seriously, I'm becoming more and more nervous about air travel. That's a shame, because I really enjoy visiting Europe to explore my family roots and historical sites. Unless I can drive to England in a Chevy Colorado, I may be s.o.l.

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From the article…

“Over the next decade, United will train 5,000 pilots who will be guaranteed a job with United, after they complete the requirements of the Aviate program — and our plan is for half of them to be women and people of color,” said United CEO Scott Kirby. “We’re excited that JPMorgan Chase has agreed to support our work to diversify our pilot ranks and create new opportunities for thousands of women and people of color who want to pursue a career in aviation.”


If a “person of color” wants to become an airline pilot and take the test and  to do it and passes…. Great

What makes me nervous is the goal of having half of their pilots to be women or people of color.
What happens if those groups don’t meet the training goals? I probably don’t want to know the answer to that question.
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From the article…

“Over the next decade, United will train 5,000 pilots who will be guaranteed a job with United, after they complete the requirements of the Aviate program — and our plan is for half of them to be women and people of color,” said United CEO Scott Kirby. “We’re excited that JPMorgan Chase has agreed to support our work to diversify our pilot ranks and create new opportunities for thousands of women and people of color who want to pursue a career in aviation.”


If a “person of color” wants to become an airline pilot and take the test and  to do it and passes…. Great

What makes me nervous is the goal of having half of their pilots to be women or people of color.
What happens if those groups don’t meet the training goals? I probably don’t want to know the answer to that question.

Then the training goals get revised down until enough of them do make it. 

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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2023, 11:19:54 pm »
Seriously, I'm becoming more and more nervous about air travel. That's a shame, because I really enjoy visiting Europe to explore my family roots and historical sites. Unless I can drive to England in a Chevy Colorado, I may be s.o.l.

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There are always cruise liners going to and from Europe,and that trip itself is a very nice experience.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2023, 11:24:23 pm »
There are always cruise liners going to and from Europe,and that trip itself is a very nice experience.
I'll have to check out the cost of that!
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2023, 11:33:34 pm »
I'll have to check out the cost of that!

Another option is renting a stateroom on a cargo ship.  The main difference between the cargo ship experience and the cruise liner is that on the cargo ship you have to keep yourself occupied and out of the crews way, as they’re not there to entertain one.

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2023, 11:37:57 pm »
Another option is renting a stateroom on a cargo ship.  The main difference between the cargo ship experience and the cruise liner is that on the cargo ship you have to keep yourself occupied and out of the crews way, as they’re not there to entertain one.
Not a problem. I think I'd go mad on one of those cruise liners. Dressing for dinner? I think not!
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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2023, 11:39:08 pm »
Not a problem. I think I'd go mad on one of those cruise liners. Dressing for dinner? I think not!

Same here.  I’d love to be out in the middle of the ocean on a ship with nothing but my thoughts and the sound of the engines to keep me company.

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2023, 11:45:40 pm »
Not a problem. I think I'd go mad on one of those cruise liners. Dressing for dinner? I think not!

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Well,the only "cruise ship" I ever traveled on was a USN ship that pulls up to the shore and drops a big gate for trucks,tanks,and other vehicles to drive onto. I got stuck with being one of the escorts for a classified radio truck when the US pulled out of the Dominican Republic. Even had to sleep in the damn thing. There were two of us,so that one would always be there while the other one went to eat,etc,etc,etc.,so take my advise on this with  a whole damn block of salt.

Howsumever,while they DO have very formal dinners as well as entertainment,I  am sure they also have "less toney" dining experiences for people that have no interest in playing "Hollywood Movie".

After all,what are they going to do,refuse to feed you just because you  are not wearing a tux?
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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2023, 11:50:04 pm »
Same here.  I’d love to be out in the middle of the ocean on a ship with nothing but my thoughts and the sound of the engines to keep me company.

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There is NOTHING more relaxing,and you will never sleep better than when you are at sea,breathing all that clear air.

In addition to the LST,which MIGHT qualify as a ship,my very first job at age 13 was as a deckhand on a 38 foot shrimp boat my uncle  built and captained.

 There were no working hours versus resting hours. You slept while you were trawling,and when the bags were pulled out of the water,you were working until you had sorted out the whole catch and iced down what you were keeping.

When not working,I slept like a clubbed baby seal.
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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2023, 12:07:14 am »
@sneakypete My late father commanded a couple of LSTs in the South Pacific 1944-46 (interrupted only by hospitalization for some shipboard injuries).
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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2023, 12:45:12 pm »
Will be traveling in October to meet our first grandchild...will NOT be flying United.
Not that there's any guarantee other airlines are any better, but they at least have not come out with this idiotic position.
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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2023, 12:53:29 pm »
Will be traveling in October to meet our first grandchild...will NOT be flying United.
Not that there's any guarantee other airlines are any better, but they at least have not come out with this idiotic position.

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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2023, 02:31:56 pm »
Quota-Mongers need to live in apartment buildings designed and constructed by AffAct engineers and contractors, use electronic devices whose power adapters and power supplies were designed by AffAct engineers, rely on AffAct cardiologists and neurosurgeons, and fly only an planes piloted by by AffAct pilots. You, put their lives where their mouths are.
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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2023, 02:41:17 pm »
Just add Commercial Pilot to the ever-growing list of professions that have become $h!t service jobs.
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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2024, 01:49:12 pm »
Reviving this thread to add a tweet I saw this morning:
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Hey @united: On July 29, a United plane was nearly totaled after a hard landing
Who was flying that aircraft? Was the co-pilot a former flight attendant who was FIRED and then rehired through United’s DEI program despite being on a list to not return to United?
Am I correct that this individual failed multiple trainings including simulator training? Am I also correct that United has covered up this DEI disaster and many others?
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Was the #2 at the Denver hiring center also onboarded through DEI? Did she or did she not change fail grades for DEI hires because “it makes the numbers look bad”?
Did the instructor who failed this co-pilot ask corporate why they passed him?
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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2024, 02:11:01 am »
Reviving this thread to add a tweet I saw this morning:
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Re: Get Race Quotas Out Of The Cockpit Before We Literally Crash And Burn
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2024, 02:37:11 am »
Will never fly United Airlines

Although it's a matter of time before the other airlines follow this diversity over ability and competency BS
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