'But Trump Won …!'

[Kamaji]

'But Trump Won …!'

Arthur  Schaper
Jul 10, 2023

The Republican Party is no longer facing a fight between moderate-liberal (McCain, Romney) and Conservative (Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo), but a fight between Talking Conservative (Trump) and Walking Conservative (DeSantis). And growing numbers of pro-DeSantis Republicans are emerging.

Sure, the polling shows Trump with a runaway lead. However, Republicans had runaway leads in 2022, and we all saw how that turned out. Furthermore, the 2024 primary will be decided by voters in specific states, not national polling or national sentiment.

Slow and steady wins the race. Another reason I prefer DeSantis to Trump at this point: he is focused on the real mechanics and political engineering of elections. The Left does not measure success on how many people attend a rally, or how many people follow a candidate on social media. The focus is always on getting votes, or in more recent times how many ballots they can stuff in the ballot box, how many illegal aliens they can register to vote, how many dead voters they can list as casting ballots.

Not just ballot-harvesting, but ballot-chasing is the name of the game, and DeSantis has announced he will use every legal maneuver to win. I live in California, where cheating is rampant, yet in 2022, Republicans gained back Congressional seats for the second cycle in a row. We have not had that kind of restoration in nearly forty years. If committed partisans are willing to make the effort, we can win.

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Source:  https://townhall.com/columnists/arthurschaper/2023/07/10/but-trump-won-n2625488

[LMAO]

From the article….

The Left does not measure success on how many people attend a rally, or how many people follow a candidate on social media.

 

The ultimate goal is winning elections. Fighting over crowd size at some Fourth of July event or posting pictures of a Trump rally are meaningless. Winning elections puts candidates in a position to enact agendas.

And conservatives may not win every legislative battle or get everything we think we should. But winning elections put you closer to that.

[LMAO]

Also, from the article…

But Nixon helped Republicans in 1964, and he helped Republicans win in 1966. Nixon then won in 1968. In stark contrast, Trump has helped Republicans lose. He lost the House in 2018. He supervised the loss of four key US Senate seats in 2020. He witnessed Republicans lose yet another US Senate seat and barely gain back the House in 2022.


Absolutely

Outside the Republican primary, it’s just a fact that Trump costs the Republicans elections. It’s not a personal attack against him and his supporters.

[Kamaji]

Also, from the article…

But Nixon helped Republicans in 1964, and he helped Republicans win in 1966. Nixon then won in 1968. In stark contrast, Trump has helped Republicans lose. He lost the House in 2018. He supervised the loss of four key US Senate seats in 2020. He witnessed Republicans lose yet another US Senate seat and barely gain back the House in 2022.


Absolutely

Outside the Republican primary, it’s just a fact that Trump costs the Republicans elections. It’s not a personal attack against him and his supporters.

Indeed.

[kevindavis007]

Also, from the article…

But Nixon helped Republicans in 1964, and he helped Republicans win in 1966. Nixon then won in 1968. In stark contrast, Trump has helped Republicans lose. He lost the House in 2018. He supervised the loss of four key US Senate seats in 2020. He witnessed Republicans lose yet another US Senate seat and barely gain back the House in 2022.


Absolutely

Outside the Republican primary, it’s just a fact that Trump costs the Republicans elections. It’s not a personal attack against him and his supporters.

That is the hard truth that a lot of people don't want to hear.  Yes, he may have huge rallies and a huge following on Social Media, but it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. To win a general election, you need to get more people (mainly the independents) to WIN the general election. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

From the article….

The Left does not measure success on how many people attend a rally, or how many people follow a candidate on social media.

They don't have to; this is how they roll -----



Election 2020 totals when they stopped counting  .     How they used the time. 

[kevindavis007]

They don't have to; this is how they roll -----



Election 2020 totals when they stopped counting  .     How they used the time. 

Just keep believing the big lie...

[LMAO]

Just keep believing the big lie...

My position on the 2020 election is a little bit more nuanced. I am skeptical of the claim that Donald Trump was robbed of a second term. But  I’m also very skeptical of the claim that it was one of the cleanest safest elections we’ve ever had.

Folks concerns about how the 2020 election was conducted, I believe, are justified. Accepting ballots without signatures or verifiable addresses , changing dates in the middle of the game of when ballots can be accepted after they’ve been agreed upon by state legislators, and have we ever stopped counting ballots while in the middle of counting them? I don’t recall that ever being done before.

But proving that that’s what cost Trump the election is a much harder task. So as of now, I deal with the fact that Biden was elected in 2020 and is the current president.

And is Trump not accepting the results of the election and claiming he won the biggest lie? Is it any worse than some of the claims Hillary Clinton and her supporters made?

[Bigun]

They don't have to; this is how they roll -----



Election 2020 totals when they stopped counting  .     How they used the time. 

Yep! I'm firmly convinced that the GOP would be in firm control of the House, Senate,  Whitehouse, and several more governorships without the blatant fraud in 2020 and 2022.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Elections are popularity contests.  To get someone to vote, you can:

1.) Convince people that you are worth of voting for - CHARISMA - (may drive turnout)
2.) Convince people that your opponent is the Boogie Man - FEAR - (definitely drives turnout)
3.) Convince pople that you are the lesser of evils  - RESIGNATION - (eh, why bother)

Trump won 2016 because Hillary Clinton was the greater of evils.
Biden won 2020 because Trump was the greater of evils.

If Trump wants to continue to run for President in 2020, his opponents won't stop him.  Meanwhile, the adults in the room are running for President in 2024.

 

Speaking of Tangerine Mussolini's Presidential Election time warp ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w0WPkB3XJ4

[cato potatoe]

Thank heavens Trump didn’t run for office in the 80s.  We had it won, but then Walter Mondale stuffed the ballot boxes.  Waaaaaaaaaah

[Kamaji]

Thank heavens Trump didn’t run for office in the 80s.  We had it won, but then Walter Mondale stuffed the ballot boxes.  Waaaaaaaaaah

[Maj. Bill Martin]

A lot of Trump supporters claim the fact that the votes swung from pro-Trump to pro Biden as counting progressed is a sign of fraud.  What they overlook is that the Democrats deliberately instructed their voters not to vote on the day of voting, but rather to vote by mail in ballots.  On the other hand, Republicans were instructed, including by folks like Rush Limbaugh, to vote in person on election day.

The net impact of that - and this was apparent before the election to anyone who was paying attention - was that early totals would favor Trump, but that Biden numbers would get stronger as the mail-ins started getting counted.   The question was always going to be whether yhe post-election day Biden surge was going to be enough to overcome Trump's leads.  It obviously was.

That's not saying there wasn't fraud. It's simply pointing out that the mere fact that the vote count shifted doesn't prove fraud, because that was the logical result of the parties providing different voting advice to their supporters.

This is all a matter of clear record based on things written by both sides prior to Election Day.  But it nevertheless gets completely ignored by those claiming mass fraud.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Thank heavens Trump didn’t run for office in the 80s.  We had it won, but then Walter Mondale stuffed the ballot boxes.  Waaaaaaaaaah

Nonsense.

[240B]

Of course Biden won. He won with the most votes in human history.
A decrepit demented old pedophile who can barely walk hiding in his basement got 81 million votes.
More than Obama. And he did it with only a handful of States.
Anyone who questions the election is a conspiracy nut.
After all, Biden is a Puerto Rican Irish Jew who beat up Corn Pop.
Who wouldn't vote for him?

[libertybele]

Of course Biden won. He won with the most votes in human history.
A decrepit demented old pedophile who can barely walk hiding in his basement got 81 million votes.
More than Obama. And he did it with only a handful of States.
Anyone who questions the election is a conspiracy nut.
After all, Biden is a Puerto Rican Irish Jew who beat up Corn Pop.
Who wouldn't vote for him?

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

That's not saying there wasn't fraud. It's simply pointing out that the mere fact that the vote count shifted doesn't prove fraud, because that was the logical result of the parties providing different voting advice to their supporters.

    How do you get 81 million votes without 81 million legal and unique voters?  Start here:

[Fishrrman]

LMAO:
" it’s just a fact that Trump costs the Republicans elections. It’s not a personal attack against him and his supporters."

Kamaji:
"Indeed"

For your perusal:


Sumthin' just isn't right here...

[Maj. Bill Martin]

   How do you get 81 million votes without 81 million legal and unique voters?  Start here:

Didn't remotely address the point I raised.

[Hoodat]

I am 100% convinced that had election laws been followed, Trump would have won Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Arizona.  I am also 100% convinced that Trump's own naivete, arrogance, and the leadership shortcomings of his entrepreneurial mindset led to his (stolen) defeat.
 His legal strategy was pure idiocy.  He chose to forgo easily winnable legal cases, instead expecting a judge to unilaterally declare him the winner.

[LMAO]

   How do you get 81 million votes without 81 million legal and unique voters?  Start here:

Dinesh D’Souza isn’t exactly what I would call an impartial observer

It is said that Donald Trump got 75 million votes. Joe Biden got 81 million votes. As I posted before, we had 159 million people cast ballots in 2020. The math  does add up. If someone says “I don’t believe that Joe Biden got 81 million votes” then it’s fair to ask why do you embrace, without doubt, the fact that Donald Trump got 75 million which, by the way, was  the second highest vote totals for any candidate in history?

It’s part of our nature to believe that how we see things is what is. But we’re a country with 334 million some people. All with different worldviews.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Didn't remotely address the point I raised.

Sure it does.

[Kamaji]

Trump and his worshippers claim 2020 was stolen from him, and yet neither he nor they have done a damned thing to change any of the underlying problems that led to that alleged theft. 

American elections are no safer, and no better, due to anything Trumpie and his worshippers have done.  On the other hand, Florida elections are now safer thanks to the efforts of DeSantis.

Trumpie and his worshippers don’t actually care about whether the election was stolen; they’re just happy they can make themselves the center of attention by crying about it.

[massadvj]

Let's get something straight. The election of 2020 was rigged against Trump. This has already been proven. The FBI systematically used the media to suppress Hunter's laptop and promote the false narrative of Russian collusion in order to affect the outcome of the election. Not theory. Proven fact.

The thing is, who was in charge of the FBI? Trump. Trump appointed Wray, and Wray either used the agency against Trump, or allowed it to happen. So basically, insurrection.  And what does Trump say about Wray today? "We'll see." This is not leadership.

Whether it be the wall that did not get built, or appointing Fauci dictator over the American people, or the massive wasteful spending, or the constant unnecessary drama, Trump has demonstrated he is not a very good leader. He tries to lead by intimidation and force, and that will only get you so far. Capable people avoid bullies.

Is he better than Biden? Yes. Can the GOP do better? Abso-effing-lutely.

[LMAO]

Let's get something straight. The election of 2020 was rigged against Trump. This has already been proven. The FBI systematically used the media to suppress Hunter's laptop and promote the false narrative of Russian collusion in order to affect the outcome of the election. Not theory. Proven fact.

On this point I agree.

Since when has the FBI been in the election interference business?