Biden to send thousands of cluster bombs to Ukraine despite them being against US law and banned in

[mountaineer]

   Let's take a couple of billion that we readily give to Ukraine and secure our own darn border.

Or - and here's a novel concept - ensure that our own military is fully stocked on all the latest weaponry.

[Timber Rattler]

Or - and here's a novel concept - ensure that our own military is fully stocked on all the latest weaponry.

But to do that, we need to rebuild our defense industries and ordnance factories.  That will take years, if not decades.

Flashback:

The Shrinking Military Complex; After the Cold War, the Pentagon Is Just Another Customer

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/27/business/shrinking-military-complex-after-cold-war-pentagon-just-another-customer.html

'The last supper': How a 1993 Pentagon dinner reshaped the defense industry

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2023/03/01/the-last-supper-how-a-1993-pentagon-dinner-reshaped-the-defense-industry

The Distillation of the Defense Industry

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/0798industry/

[Right_in_Virginia]

And as sure as the sun rises in east, you completely ignore the question of how you guys want to pressure Russia to make peace.

It is always - always - about pressuring Ukraine

No, it's not.  How much clearer must I be?  This border conflict is not our concern.  It is Europe's.  How it is settled should be up to them.  Period.

[Timber Rattler]

No, it's not.  How much clearer must I be?  This border conflict is not our concern.  It is Europe's.  How it is settled should be up to them.  Period.

It's our concern when Russia eventually demands Alaska back...

Russian State TV Revives Effort to Reclaim Alaska From U.S.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-guest-yevgeny-satanovsky-revives-effort-reclaim-alaska-us-1780536

Putin’s aide threatens to ‘claim back’ Alaska in response to US sanctions

https://alaskapublic.org/2022/07/06/putins-aide-threatens-to-claim-back-alaska-in-response-to-us-sanctions/

Russian House Speaker Threatens to ‘Take Back’ Alaska

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/07/russian-house-speaker-threatens-to-take-back-alaska-a78230

Russian cadets sing 'We'll bring Alaska back home' in song for Putin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1572898/Russian-cadets-sing-ll-bring-Alaska-home-song-Putin.html

People better wake up and listen to what the Russians are saying, instead of having their heads stuck in the sand...

[Right_in_Virginia]

Rep. Matt Gaetz
@RepMattGaetz
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🚨@TheHill: “Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said Monday he will co-sponsor a measure to block President Biden from sending cluster munitions to Ukraine, joining a small group of Democrats on an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act"

 

[Timber Rattler]

And it will fail.

[Hoodat]

Or - and here's a novel concept - ensure that our own military is fully stocked on all the latest weaponry.

That's crazy talk.

[Hoodat]

No, it's not.  How much clearer must I be?  This border conflict is not our concern.

See?  There you go lying again.  This isn't a border conflict.  But then you knew that already.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

And it will fail.

Yes it will, but it will be interesting to see if they can get it to a vote.  I'd like to know how everyone would vote on it.

[Kamaji]

See?  There you go lying again.  This isn't a border conflict.  But then you knew that already.

It’s astounding how a liar simply cannot give up the lying, even after having been repeatedly called out on their lies. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

No, it's not.  How much clearer must I be?  This border conflict is not our concern.  It is Europe's.  How it is settled should be up to them.  Period.

Oh.  Are you sure about that?

Then why is Trump promising to interfere in that resolution by promising to end the war within 24 hours? That's a promise that clearly requires a ceasefire in place, which massively benefits Russia.

So it's up to them to resolve it, except to the extent Trump uses the influence of the United States to compel a Russia-friendly resolution within 24 hours.

[Hoodat]

Really?  Then why is Trump promising to interfere in that resolution by promising to end the war within 24 hours? That's a promise that clearly requires a ceasefire in place, which massively benefits Russia.

But . . . but . . . but it's different when Trump does it.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

But . . . but . . . but it's different when Trump does it.

The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

What bugs me is that they just won't admit to their anti-Ukrainian, pro-Russian bias.  And the thing is that even just making that promise at this point encourages Russia to keep the war going in the hope for a better result when Trump is President versus Biden.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Or - and here's a novel concept - ensure that our own military is fully stocked on all the latest weaponry.

It should be pointed out that the big push for awhile has been for new and improved DPICM/submunition rounds that will become our new standard round, and that fall below that magic 1% dud rate.  Those are the newest rounds that we are producing, and they're not the ones we're sending.

So we're largely donating stuff we wouldn't be using anyway.

[Hoodat]

So we're largely donating stuff we wouldn't be using anyway.

Not just donating.  We are charging full retail price against the drawdowns, pocketing the difference.  So the DoD receives $2 billion from the US Treasury to cover the cost of a drawdown.  They then take around $300 million (depreciated value) in used military equipment, send it to Ukraine, and claim its value to be $2 billion.

Biden/Austin/Blinkin have been getting away with this for over a year now.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Oh.  Are you sure about that?

Then why is Trump promising to interfere in that resolution by promising to end the war within 24 hours?

Because Bidenites along with members of the Tom Clancy fan club have pushed and escalated this regional, strictly European border dispute to the brink of nuclear WWIII.   

Please, do the world a favor and resist the urge to further escalate this blood-soaked turmoil you support while we wait for Trump to have the chance to clean up your mess.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Because Bidenites along with members of the Tom Clancy fan club have pushed and escalated this regional, strictly European border dispute to the brink of nuclear WWIII.   

Please, do the world a favor and resist the urge to further escalate this blood-soaked turmoil you support while we wait for Trump to have the chance to clean up your mess.

Is your neck okay from that whiplash?

You went from "How it is settled should be up to them.  Period," right to "How it is settled should be up to Trump, period."

At least it's obvious to everyone who reads it.

[Hoodat]

Because Bidenites along with members of the Tom Clancy fan club have pushed and escalated this regional, strictly European border dispute

See?  There you go lying again.

[Hoodat]

Is your neck okay from that whiplash?

You went from "How it is settled should be up to them.  Period," right to "How it is settled should be up to Trump, period."

At least it's obvious to everyone who reads it.

The pitfalls of making it up as you go.  This is what happens when 'truth' is abandoned as a standard.

[Hoodat]

Still waiting for that adult rational debate, @Right_in_Virginia :

Okay ---- so no rational, adult debate with you is possible.  I got it

@Right_in_Virginia

You want rational adult debate?  Gladly. 

- What is your take on Russia's decision to violate Ukrainian sovereignty and launch a military invasion of Ukraine immediately after Viktor Yanukovych was deposed? 

- As the clear aggressor on the world stage, do you think the Russian military should be checked? 

- Do you think that Russia should be held account for the hundreds of war crimes they have committed in Ukraine over the last 500 days?

- Do you share Putin's belief that Ukrainians are nothing but criminals and drug addicts?

- In light of the atrocities committed by Russia against the Ukrainian people over the last year including the destruction of the Kahkova Dam and the impending meltdown of the Zaphorizhzhia nuclear plant, do you still view Russia as a "liberator" and "protector"?

So let's discuss.  Will you debate these issues?  Or is your statement above simply another in a very very long list of lies posted here?

[Hoodat]

For the record, within hours of Putin's "special operation" announcement, Russia's very first assault was on the Antonov Airport in Hostomel which is 160 miles from the Russian border, 460 miles from Donetsk, and 520 miles from Luhansk.  Yet the same poster who describes the Russians as "liberators" and "protectors" of Donbas Ukrainians launched an airborne assault 500 miles away.

"Border conflict" my ass.  Lies, lies, and more lies.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Is your neck okay from that whiplash?

You went from "How it is settled should be up to them.  Period," right to "How it is settled should be up to Trump, period.  At least it's obvious to everyone who reads it.

Again, no whiplash at all.

Make right what you have so pervasively effed up:    Return the military reins, supply, strategy and full negotiating power to Europe --- grab our wallet and checkbook,  hogtie Victoria Nuland and do not look back.

This is your one chance to fix what you have broken.

Otherwise, Trump will clean up your global stupidity ---- providing you haven't killed us all by then.

[Kamaji]

Still waiting for that adult rational debate, @Right_in_Virginia :

@Right_in_Virginia

You want rational adult debate?  Gladly. 

- What is your take on Russia's decision to violate Ukrainian sovereignty and launch a military invasion of Ukraine immediately after Viktor Yanukovych was deposed? 

- As the clear aggressor on the world stage, do you think the Russian military should be checked? 

- Do you think that Russia should be held account for the hundreds of war crimes they have committed in Ukraine over the last 500 days?

- Do you share Putin's belief that Ukrainians are nothing but criminals and drug addicts?

- In light of the atrocities committed by Russia against the Ukrainian people over the last year including the destruction of the Kahkova Dam and the impending meltdown of the Zaphorizhzhia nuclear plant, do you still view Russia as a "liberator" and "protector"?

So let's discuss.  Will you debate these issues?  Or is your statement above simply another in a very very long list of lies posted here?

You will never get that with the liar, I’m afraid.  She is congenitally incapable of anything other than spewing pro-Russian propaganda and Trump swill, both equally composed of falsehoods.

[massadvj]

I am ashamed of my country for this. That is all.

[ScottinVA]

The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

What bugs me is that they just won't admit to their anti-Ukrainian, pro-Russian bias.  And the thing is that even just making that promise at this point encourages Russia to keep the war going in the hope for a better result when Trump is President versus Biden.

What’s truly amazing is how these people steadfastly reject the notion of Ukraine’s freedom and self-determination.  Their weird lust for Putin is thinly disguised by a narrative of “it’s not our fight.”  Freedom is EVERYONE’S fight.  Reagan would’ve rightly supported the Ukrainians as well.